The American Spectator : The Spectacle Blog : Smoking Gun on Ron Paul Newsletters?

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 12.16.11 @ 2:28PM

Uh oh!! That stuff is going to leave a mark!! Herman Cain was taken down, and out, on accusations that are still unproven, so it's hard to see this stuff about Ron Paul's newsletter, and think that this will be not be enough to bring him down too. Now add in his "everything is relative" foreign policy, and it might be all she wrote for the "good" Doctor!!

Jack in Wi.| 12.16.11 @ 4:10PM

Jeff Lord is the Israeli quisling of the American Spectator. Give it up Jeff Ron Paul has already won. This country is so sick of wars that anyone who trys to drag us into another will be hung up on a lamp post. Obama will be running as the guy who got Bin Laden and is bringing the troops home. How you going to beat that with chicken hawks like Romney Gingrich, Santorum, and Huntsman? Bachman is crazy women who belongs on an Israeli Kibbutz. How does she justify such a Communist social system, as a Christian conservatve. Perry at least is no chicken hawk. but he still has bowed to kiss the rear end of the Israeli lobby.

Mxkied| 12.16.11 @ 9:33PM

"Give it up Jeff Ron Paul has already won"

Did I miss something?? What has Ron Paul won exactly?? He's never gonna make it out the primaries. Never has and never will, sorry but that's the cold hard facts.

Skip | 12.16.11 @ 11:06PM

My RESPECT.

Sanjay| 12.18.11 @ 11:07AM

Jeffery Lord is part of the traitorous 5th column establishment that is bleeding and bankrupting America since 1913.

These traitorous and parasitic neocons control federal reserve, media, intelligence agencies.

Jeffery Lord enjoys life with his family and American kids bleed and die in wars.

Millions of American families are destroyed in these useless wars to push neocon agenda.

Take away all Jeffery lord's $ and give it to veterans, deport him and his family to wars so he can blow his face and legs.

Traitorous anti-American Jeffery Lord. Racist Jeffery Lord!!!

Did you marry black girl? Do you live with Blacks?

NO???? Then you are a racist Jeffery Lord. Racist!!!!

KDW| 12.18.11 @ 10:34AM

All Lord has done is point out that evidence has
surfaced which shows Ron Paul was associated
with a newsletter, possibly as Publisher and Editor, that ran racist articles. Some of the new
evidence is rather compelling.

Once you get past the screeching noise of the
Paultards, the only important thing is - did Paul
actually publish or edit the newsletter? If it
can be proven that he did then Paul is finished
as a candidate. Which I think both you and
Lord would agree on.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 2:33PM

Ahh, Ron Paul ended his candidacy las of last night, anyway.
He couldn't hide his insanity in front of the cameras on his anti-American view of America in the world.

He's a goner.

But I am glad there is actual evidence, if there is, in writing.
Actual evidence is ALWAYS a good thing.
But you know as well as I do~ the Paul-bots will just keep on keepin' on anyway. They could care less about the truth.. they're cultists, and will defend their stance unto death.

William R| 12.16.11 @ 2:50PM

Paul Was Right on Iran, and His Position Is More Popular Than You Think

http://www.theamericanconserva.....you-think/

Margie, the unpatriotic American. Always puts the interest of another country first.

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 3:44PM

Asked & Answered In The 2008 Election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:14PM

Margie....being against the GOOD DOCTOR is being against the founders and our Constitution.....why don't you go live in CUBA if you don't like our LAW OF THE LAND! You are really UN-AMERICAN!

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 5:07PM

Gee, for somebody who thinks they're so darn smart, that was a really asinine remark.

To quote Bugs Bunny: "What a maroon!"

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 6:32PM

We need to ensure MORE WAR, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING, and MORE BAIL OUTS. Quoting Bugs Bunny is not helping our cause!

9thID| 12.16.11 @ 9:08PM

It's the Paulestinians who are against our founding with their revisionist screeds, Blame America First crapola, and libertine amorality. Take your neo-Liberal cultists and start a Lord of the Flies colony in the red-light district of Amsterdam...

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:12PM

The Paulestinians! Haha, good one.

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.16.11 @ 4:37PM

J. Lord has no integrity. And if you read the comments to his last few posts it proves he is no intellectual and diminishes Am. Spectators reputation. He will use any lie and smear and says so himself:

Jeffrey Lord| 12.16.11 @ 12:41AM

"Look Ron Paul is clearly the worst candidate for the GOP nomination. I will do whatever it takes to stop him from getting the nomination. I know his loyal band of followers are going to dig up a bunch of articles and every other piece of material to prove me wrong but that shows how crazy they are."

Michele Bachman used Politifact to show she was being accurate attacking Newt. Well guess what. Politifact clearly shows she was making FALSE claims concerning IRAN:

http://www.politifact.com/trut.....d-launch-/

Every claim RP made is backed up by facts.
the translation from persian to english.
no actual evidence of Iran making nuclear weapons. IAEA or UN.
etc. etc. sounds a lot like pre iraq. sure these neocon candidates will have pie on their face after the war turns out like Iraq but worse. but what of the troops maimed and killed (I know no one cares about the civilians). they talk a good game about supporting the troops..well if that is support..who needs enemies. Not to mention trillions of dollars being spent so that fanatics in the white house can go bomb any where in the world on a whim. (Libya, Serbia, Somalia, Iraq, Congo, etc. etc. etc. none of those made 1 American over here safer, and makes traveling for Americans more dangerous. Thanks Neocons and your soul mates in the Democrat Party.

Sea Cucumber| 12.16.11 @ 4:40PM

Margie,

I can understand why you don't like Paul. He doesn't have much appeal for those whose idea of conservatism is cheering for "the troops" on TV while their country falls to ruin.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 5:00PM

Go back the Sea, Sea Cukey!

LOL. I don't watch stupid t.v., it's beneath me. It fails to pique my interest. I'd rather be reading the Bible, or a good novel, like something by Tolstoy or C.S. Lewis or even better~ John Bunyan.

Do you do any reading yourself, fluffer-nutter? Or are you too busy cheering on the Wall Street protesters while you watch them on t.v.?

Oh but yes, I do indeed cheer for the TROOPS~ and PRAY for them~ to win, and that God protects them.

They are in His Hands, and are doing His Will as they sacrifice their lives for your sorry rear end, while you walk all over them.

I know what my idea of conservatism is for sure, and it has nothing to do with the likes of Ru Paul & his cult members.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 5:21PM

Your mindless drivel doesn't even belong in the same sentence as the great christian C.S. Lewis.

Newsflash: Our troops are NOT protecting us at all. They're dying for nothing. Thousands dead in Iraq achieved nothing of significance for us given the cost in blood and money. All that happened was we all got a trillion dollars poorer and many good men died.

Try reading Russel Kirk or Taft or ANY of the founders of the conservative movement or even the founding fathers. They were all anti-aggressive wars.

The fact that the troops donate more to Ron Paul than ALL THE OTHER GOP CANDIDATES COMBINED should clue you in. They know it's a waste. Time you figured it out. But, according to you, that makes the military members of a cult, since they all support Ron Paul more than any other candidate. Right? My whole family is military and they ALL support Ron Paul. They get it. But you'd rather listen to a know-nothing fool like Limbaugh who's never served than our actual troops.

Oh yeah, Ron Paul was also the ONLY candidate to serve in the military during wartime. Everyone else dodged it.

You don't know a thing about conservatism or Christianity. Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace, never accomplished His will with guns and bombs. Since you obviously can't understand the Bible, I recommend you aim one of its sharp corners at your forehead, and use it to smack some sense into yourself.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 5:56PM

"Your mindless drivel doesn't even belong in the same sentence as the great christian C.S. Lewis."

Did you drool when you said that, Troll?
LOL.

Sorry to disappoint you, but I do happen to be a sinner saved by Grace and I Do understand not only C.S. Lewis and Tolstoy, but the Scriptures as well.

Haha, apparently you don't know that God takes DELIGHT in saving the lowest of the low (in the eyes of the world), do you?

Apparently it is YOU who has no understanding of the Scriptures.

Here, let me present to you the Mind of God from His Own Words:

"For consider your call, brethren; not many of you were wise according to worldly standards, not many were powerful, not many were of noble birth; but God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise, God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong,

God chose what is low and despised in the world, even things that are not, to bring to nothing things that are, so that no human being might boast in the presence of God.

He is the source of your life in Christ Jesus, whom God made our wisdom, our righteousness and sanctification and redemption;
therefore, as it is written, "Let him who boasts, boast of the Lord."" 1 Cor. 1:26-31.

Hahaha jeremiah, I will boast in the Lord and you may boast of your so-called intelligence and in the phony wisdom of Ron Paul, a fool who blames America for terrorism, a puny man who needs mental help, and would be a DNAGER to the country if he ever got elected.

But he won't. Thankfully.
Toodles.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 6:11PM

Yeah, you think you are saved but your attitude reveals that you are suffering from the worst of possible sins- the sin the C.S. Lewis called the greatest sin- spiritual pride.

You stink of boastfulness and superiority and have no spiritual fruits of anyone who might have been redeemed by Christ. You cheer with blood lust, make no reasoned arguments, and are eaten up with the pride of being so much better than everyone else.

You don't care about God. Your false idol is America and her perfection. You are outraged because Ron Paul spoke blasphemy against your idol and dare question her perfection.

Well, you go ahead and worship America and her military. I'll worship Jesus Christ, the Prince of Peace. And we'll see which Christ prefers when we die. Deal?

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 6:59PM

I'm truly sorry for you that you've been taught by the Popery, jeremiah.

I can smell it a mile away, kiddo.

According to your other cult~ Cathoicism, you aren't allowed to be doubt-free and if you are~ you must be being arrogant!

LOL. I spit in the face of the Devlish Religion that you are deceived by!

I spit in the face of punks like you who presume to say I'm not Christian because I'm too strong in my proclamation of His Word.

"The sum of Thy Word is Truth; and every one of Thy Righteous Ordinances endures for ever." Ps. 119:160.

"Sanctify them in the Truth; Thy Word is Truth." Jn. 17:17.

LOL. You just can't stand it, can you?
Sorry dude~ but you don't get to judge Christians.
HIS WORD IS JUDGE, and in it, I take delight!!

ItzDaTruth| 12.16.11 @ 7:18PM

You. Are. Nuts.

You are a religious zealot who aparently wants the government to send others to die in YOUR God's name. People like you need to be as far away from positions of power as possible. Thank God (the One and Only), America is waking to you and your brand of religious lunacy.

By the way, isn't it wonderfully ironic how "guns for Jesus" types like Marge are actually guilty of the very sins they're so fearful of Muslims over? Food for thought.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 7:21PM

Actually I'm a Protestant Presbyterian, not Catholic, but your response has told everyone here volumes about your "Christianity". Like the Pharisees, you like to quote scripture to affirm how great you are, but you are far from the spirit. You are full of hate, insults, and have a lust for the blood of war that the Bible condemns. You are not Christ-like at all, nor have you been humbled by His grace. You proclaim yourself better than everyone else and refuse to respond to anyone's points or debate at all.

Sadly, you read the Bible to learn how much better you are than everyone else. No wonder you want to bomb the whole world and kill so many without a thought. You should be praying for their spirits and using your money to send missionaries, not bombs.

"These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me." Matthew 15:8

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.16.11 @ 7:38PM

Amen.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 8:16PM

"Actually I'm a Protestant Presbyterian, not Catholic,"

Is there a difference, you pompous ass?
LOL.

Apparently not!

You got exactly the response you wanted, didn't you, punk?

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 8:45PM

Yes, please give us more of your wonderful "Christianity"- name calling, insults, refusal to actually debate.

What's really scary is your ignorance. Protestant Presbyterians, such as John Calvin, are actually the ones who led the rebellion in the 16th century against the Catholic church, and broke the church away from the Pope.

This is typical off the blood thirsty, warmonger "Christian". No knowledge whatsoever of the Bible or even basic church history. Only the assurance that you are better than everyone else.

I suggest you repent of your hateful pride and your lust for war. Remember the Roman empire was eventually delivered to the Christians not through force of arms, but by acts of mercy and charity towards even those that persecuted them. It's the wisdom of the world that seeks to conquer through bullets. But are you trying to save the world for America or for Christ? If for America, you are an idolater. If for Christ, then bullets will not help you, but only mercy and kindness will.

9thID| 12.16.11 @ 9:24PM

Calvin was known as the "Protestant Pope" of Geneva, a virtual theocracy, from where he burned dissenters at the stake and beheaded and tortured others. Calvin kept much of Catholicism in the form of infant baptism for regeneration, allegorical Covenant theology, sacraments, and worshipped the "Doctor" of the Catholic Church, St. Augustine. BTW, I'm not Catholic...

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:15PM

WOW! Thank YOU for that, 9thID. Turns out my suspicion was spot on about "jeremiah."

Whew.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 10:46PM

You can read my comment below in which I disprove your assertions. I'd suggest you go to a library, but if haven't gone by now in your life, it appears you never will.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:50PM

OOOh, dripping with Pope-like condescension. Wowee. How impressive.
NOT.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 10:55PM

Sigh. My arguments are below. Either answer them or admit you are unable to.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 10:44PM

Your knowledge of history and theology is a bit poor. First to the theology: Infant baptism was kept because it was considered the new mark of the covenant that replaced Old Testament circumcision, and hence, was given to infants just as circumcision was. It did not signify regeneration. Catholics thought that, but Calvin thought it was only a sign of belonging to God's people, nothing more. Baptists think the same only they believe it should be administered to adults upon a public profession of faith. Presbyterians think it is fine to administer to children, just as circumcision was. It is a matter that good people can legitimately disagree over, I suppose. The only sacraments that were retained were those two explicitly mentioned in the Bible- baptism and communion, the others were discarded as sacraments. And all Christian denominations likewise have baptism and communion- hardly radical. Calvin most certainly didn't "worship" Augustine, as his one of his most fierce disagreements with the Catholics were their worship of men in the form of Saints.

Now onto history: I believe a total of 38 people were executed over the course of 4 years. As a comparison, this is about half the number that Texas executes every year and roughly equal to the number that Ohio executes every year.

It's important to note that Calvin never held any formal power outside the Church during his time in Geneva. The government of the church was not the government of the city. The government of the city was called "the Council". The consistory handled moral matters, and the maximum penalty it could impose was excommunication. The maximum penalty that the Council could impose was death, however, even the Council's decisions could be appealed to another body called "The Council of Two Hundred", so named because it consisted of two hundred citizens of Geneva. Calvin himself was not a citizen of Geneva during the upheaval, and thus was disqualified from voting, holding public office, or even serving on the Council of Two Hundred. Calvin held no formal secular power to render judgments or administer punishments, and any power he did have was subject to the review of two different citizen's councils. Just as today in America, the church and state were different entities and had different powers. The maximum power held was he could kick you out of the church- which is all the civil power pastors still hold to this day.

Of the 38 executed, 23 were executed for attempting for smearing poison on people's door locks- a common form of attempted murder at the time. Several others were serial adulterers. One woman was executed for beating up her mother. Only 2 of the 38 were related in any way to theology or religion- Jacques Gruet and Michael Servantes. Gruet attached an anonymous note to Calvin's pulpit threatening to kill Calvin and overthrow the government of Geneva if they did not flee the city. He was later caught, tortured, and confessed. Again, Calvin didn't have the authority to arrest, torture, or execute anyone. He was a religious leader, not part of the government. Those were the decisions, not of Calvin or the church Consistory, but of the Council and of the Council of 200- the secular government of Geneva.

So also, Servetus. He was arrested for heresy, tried, convicted, and sentenced to death by the Council. It should also be noted that the Geneva council hated John Calvin. Perhaps because of this, Servantes didn't feel obligated to offer a legal defense really at all. The court despised Calvin so much, Servates thought he could pretty much skate out of anything. You should read the legal exchanges. They are all on record and are very interesting. Anyway, shockingly, the court sentenced him to death by burning. Calvin appealed to the court that he should be put to death more humanely, but the court refused and carried out the burning over Calvin's objections. As I said, Calvin had no government power, and could only watch and put in his two cents.

Thanks for the response, but try reading more beforehand. To be honest, I'm not really concerned with baptist, or Presbyterian, or Methodist, or whatever. Your sectarian doctrine is not what saves you or proves your Christian spirit. Too many people act that way, and think that since their theology is "the right one" they're the best Christians and everyone else sucks. This is dangerous. Reflecting the spirit of Christ to others and obeying Him is what really pleases God. Cleverness is unimportant. To be honest, getting intensely hung up on sectarian theology is usually an excuse for lazy people to "feel Christian" without ever having to get off their butts and actually go and do anything for anyone else.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:01PM

Haha, jeremiah Troll~ you began with the insults you pompous punk.

You're such a flaming liar and hypocrite and hater of Christians you can't even see straight.

"Judge not, lest ye be judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get." Mt. 7:1 & 2.

Fool.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 10:48PM

I've laid out arguments repeatedly- none of which you've responded to. You've done nothing more than call names- all the while boasting of your amazing "Christianity".

If you'd ever like to make an actual argument, we're all waiting.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:54PM

jeremiah,

You've laid out nothing but condescension and false accusations, and you're not worth a drop of consideration as far as arguing with.

Pompous ass.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 10:57PM

Yup. That's pretty much an admission of defeat. Either answer the arguments or don't. You like to throw around names and insults. Try throwing around an actual argument sometime.

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 9:00PM

No, I dumped conversing with a liar and flaming hypocrite!
Chew on that awhile, Troll.

Herb Tarlek| 12.17.11 @ 7:54PM

I object to you defaming Christianity by speaking the way you do. I regard you as I regard the Westboro Baptist people. I ask American Spectator to have a block button so that I may not read your foolishness anymore.

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 8:58PM

Haha! Well, herbie aby~
I object to your defaming of conservatism by speaking the way YOU do about it.
I ask AmSpec to have a block on your posts too, as you believe a lunatic, Ron Paul and in his anti-American hating foreign policy!
I regard YOU as a Blame America Firster and place you with them!
No one should read you foolishness! I demand it!!

Haha!
You must be a Vatican-Firster AND a Paul-bot~ you can't GEt any worse tan that!

Repent, liar, and believe the Gospel of God.
You are deceived by you cult leaders and on your way to the Lake of Fire unless you repent!

Kynthia| 12.16.11 @ 10:01PM

Wow! Margie, you have some serious issues! I have found throughout my 52 years that when one has to proclaim their love for God for all to hear are usually the ones that are doing it because they were told it was right instead of feeling in their heart and soul. You can disagree with Ron Paul, we are ALL entitled to our opinions and opinions cannot be wrong because they belong to each of us and make us who we are. There is one thing you cannot take away from Ron Paul and that is his quest for peace. A truly Christ like quest at that. Ron Paul lives by the golden rule, something many people have forgotten how to do.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:28PM

Another pompous ass here to JUDGE. LOL.
Judge away, but that won't shut me up. And I've got a few years on you toots, so let me tell you a thing or two.

I speak my mind and my mind happens to agree with God and His Word. God is never wrong. I'm all wrong, that's why I put my faith and trust in Him. That's what Christians do.

Sorry if you can't stand it. LOL.

Also, you said, "Opinions cannot be wrong." Oh, boy. So you're a "everything's relative" kinda person, aye?

Being that you are that, you can't possibly tell me I have "issues" since you're a moral relativist~ in other words, anything goes as long as it floats your own boat.

And how would you know what Christ-like is? Moral relativists don't know Christ, they just try and use Him for their own purpose~ as you do with your Ron Paul philosophy~ you put Jesus in your little anti-war, terrorist sympathizing, Christian hating, anti-semitic box and feel justified.

Ru Paul isn't for peace, well maybe peace for the Terrorists whom he feels so much pity for~ but the rest of us? Why, we're just a bunch of war-mongering butt-wipes.

Just ask good old jeremiah.

Mrkhan| 12.17.11 @ 5:20PM

um... Margie u need to be locked up in a mental asylum or wait how bout u just go the bible belt of america where ur other nutty friends live. Arent u the people who believe that Jesus will return once the jews get israel back? well i guess he missed his train... U people make me sick. "Jesus camp" the movie summed it up pretty good. U disgust me.

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 8:08PM

That's ok~ you disgust me, too!
Whom do YOU worship Khan? Allah?
Screw Allah, he's dead, and never was God.
Repent, liar.
Jesus Christ is LORD and Him ONLY should you serve!

Sea Cucumber| 12.16.11 @ 6:06PM

You don't watch TV? Really? I think some of the cartoons might suit you. That seems to be what foreign policy is to you.

"They are in His Hands, and are doing His Will as they sacrifice their lives for your sorry rear end, while you walk all over them."

What exactly are American soldiers doing for me by spreading social democracy in Iraq? How does that benefit me or any other American? And just how is squandering the lives of American in ideological crusades "supporting the troops?" Or in any way conservative?

Also, where in the Bible does it state that Obama is God? I thought he was just the messiah to you lefties.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 7:01PM

Aww, Cukey. Like I said, the Sea, the beautiful Sea is calling...

You are so blind and ignorant, Cukey. I pray God opens your eyes.

Because right now~ you are seeing backwards!

Sea Cucumber| 12.16.11 @ 7:36PM

Margie,

I can see well enough that to know that you can't answer my questions. Jeff couldn't answer my questions either. Seems to be a common trait among phony conservatives.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 8:18PM

Cukey baby:

You still make me laugh. You cultists have the truth before your very eyes, and yet you trample it under foot.

You guys aren't interested in truth what so ever.

The only thing you ARE interested in is trashing ALL conservatives!

Imbecile.

Sea Cucumber| 12.16.11 @ 9:22PM

Marge,

What "truth" are you talking about? That you and Jeff are leftists?

"The only thing you ARE interested in is trashing ALL conservatives!"

I haven't trashed any conservatives. You and Jeff on the other hand...

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:02PM

Hahaha! Thank YOU for the laughs today, Cukey!

Have a great Christmas!

Mrkhan| 12.17.11 @ 5:22PM

God hates u Margie. Thats why he has made u an ignorant monkey. I hope u can realize that someday soon and maybe miraculously Jesus will make u human again..

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 8:03PM

Thanks for the heads up, I'll be on the lookout!

Skip | 12.16.11 @ 11:14PM

Well Margie, I am sure as a Christo-faciast, you have torn out the pages in your Bible with the words of Christ--you know the warm and fuzzy ones where he challenges those of us who follow him, to not hate but love our enemies, to turn the other cheek; you know all those little inconvenient truths that make you out to be the the blood loving hyena you no doubt are.
Love ya,

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 1:49PM

Now THAT'S what I call loooove!

Will| 12.21.11 @ 2:09PM

Dooly is that you?

Chad| 12.16.11 @ 8:11PM

Which makes it strange seeing as Ron Paul receives more money from the military than all other candidates including Obama combined. He also received the majority from military in 2008 as well.

Sure, they may be supporting the troops. But they are also disregarding the true voice of how the military feels about not just the middle east, but Germany, South Korea, Japan..all 940+ bases we have around the world.

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 5:56PM

Ron Paul actually served in the military when he was drafted during wartime. Everyone else dodged. And Ron Paul's anti-American?

You know you've lost the argument when you sound like a liberal. Liberals like to be generous with other people's money. People like draft-dodging Gingrich and Romney and Margie like to be courageous and fight with other people's lives.

ednam| 12.16.11 @ 6:17PM

Actually his numbers have gone up.And whatever dirt they try to come up with will not stick.The people are waking up to the medias tricks.

ednam| 12.16.11 @ 6:19PM

Actually his numbers have gone up.And whatever dirt they try to come up with will not stick.The people are waking up to the medias tricks.

BrooklynChick| 12.16.11 @ 2:42PM

Ron Paul didn't write the newsletters. Sorry, you're gonna have to something else to hang your hat on.

Btw, all you blood-lusting warmongers underestimate just how sick Americans are of you and your GD wars.

I am a Black woman and I support Ron Paul!!

Ron Paul 2012, DO IT!!

http://www.ronpaul2012.com/

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:33PM

You're a liar.

ItzDaTruth| 12.16.11 @ 7:19PM

You're cute when you're angry.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:16PM

Way to go Brooklyn....I'm an INDEPENDENT and I had to go register as a RINO to vote for the good doctor....these establishment WARMONGERing fools just don't get it......WHAT DON"T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT BRINING THE TROOPS HOME????

William R| 12.16.11 @ 2:48PM

Dumbass, when someone snatches a purse from a woman, 99.999999 percent of the time the woman isn't going to catch the man. And I still don't see any smoking gun he wrote the newsletter. He provided a column . I used to subscribe to his newsletter and it was more than Ron Paul's column

Guest| 12.16.11 @ 2:49PM

I like Ron's fiscals ideas and his feelings about ending our nation building in other countries but his hands-off approach on ruthless regimes like Iran just makes him look foolish. We could isolate ourselves all we want but these barbarians want nothing more than to end us as a people. No one is safe from their bloodlust, not even their own people. We don't WANT war, we want peace...sometimes you just can't have your cake and eat it too.

ROYCE MITCHELL| 12.16.11 @ 2:49PM

MARGIE,
You are a simpleton, RINO apologist. I saw nothing insane about Paul last night. I'd rather see Johnson or Bachmann get the nod, but Paul acquitted himself just fine on the topics. You need to quit listening to the RNC shills at Fox News for your insight. There is a reason Paul continues to climb. It is because Americans are tired of the crap of the RINOs and statists.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 3:49PM

I thank God that the truth IS simple. That way, Ron Paul's insanity is clear enough to see, even for us simpletons!

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:20PM

Evidently you are less than a SIMPLETON....it's easy for anyone to see that RON PAUL is the only one talking SANITY here.....you really want another WAR on your hands when IRAN has NO ability to do any harm to anyone.....WAKE UP AMERICA.....don't be duped again....

“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
― Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto

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By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press

WASHINGTON (AP) — Newt Gingrich overlooked a couple of years of red ink when he asserted Thursday night that he balanced the budget for four years as House speaker. And in claiming sole credit for the achievement, he glossed over the fact that budgets are not a one-man show: There was a Democratic president in town, too.

In the last debate before the leadoff Iowa Republican presidential caucuses, Gingrich persisted in repeating a claim he has made often in the campaign, sometimes more accurately than others. Here and there, other candidates, too, reprised misstatements or partial truths from the string of debates and from the stump. Mitt Romney once again declared he has spent his life in the private sector, ignoring his years as governor and political candidate.

A look at some of the claims in the debate and how they compare with the facts:

GINGRICH: “I balanced the budget for four straight years, paid off $405 billion in debt _ pretty conservative.”

THE FACTS: In the 1996 and 1997 budget years, the first two years he served as speaker of the House of Representatives, the government actually ran deficits. In 1998 and 1999, the government ran surpluses. Two more years of surpluses followed, but Gingrich was gone from politics by then and had nothing to do with them.

Moreover, the national debt went up during the four years Gingrich was speaker. In January 1995, when he became speaker, the gross national debt was $4.8 trillion. When he left four years later, it was $5.6 trillion, an increase of $800 billion.

To be sure, Gingrich did not single-handedly deepen America’s debt, just as he didn’t balance any budgets on his own. He was a driving force, along with Democratic President Bill Clinton and figures in both houses of Congress, in the economic setbacks and advancements of that time.

___

ROMNEY: “I spent my life, my career, in the private sector.”

THE FACTS: This is true — except for four years as Massachusetts governor, recent years running for president in the 2008 and 2012 elections, a few years running the Olympics and the time he put into his failed run for a Senate seat in 1994.

In essence, Romney has devoted himself to political endeavors since his successful run for governor in 2002, and has been pursuing the presidency for five years.

A month after his term as governor ended in 2007, he announced his campaign for the Republican presidential nomination. After John McCain defeated him for the nomination, Romney devoted himself to building a political network, helping Republican candidates raise money, and writing a book that set the stage for his second run for president.

Indeed, Romney, who made his fortune as founder of the investment firm Bain Capital, has not held a private-sector job with a regular paycheck for more than a decade.

___

MICHELE BACHMANN: “We have an IAEA report that just recently came out that said literally Iran is within just months of being able to obtain that (a nuclear) weapon.”

RON PAUL: “There is no U.N. report that said that. It’s totally wrong, what you just said.”

Bachmann: “It’s the IAEA report.”

THE FACTS: As Paul said, the report of the International Atomic Energy Agency does not state that Iran is within months of having nuclear arms. The U.N. agency report does suggest that Iran conducted secret experiments whose sole purpose is the development of nuclear weapons but did not put a time frame on when Iran might succeed in building a bomb, and it made no final conclusion on Tehran’s intent.

Bachmann also erred by arguing that Iran has “stated they will use it (a nuclear weapon) against the United States.”

Iran vehemently rejects that it is developing a nuclear bomb, let alone that it plans to drop one on the U.S.

___

ROMNEY: “I’m firmly in support of people not being discriminated against based upon their sexual orientation. At the same time, I oppose same-sex marriage. That’s been my position from the beginning.”

THE FACTS: In large measure, Romney has been consistent in those two positions, despite accusations of flip-flopping on gay rights.

He walked a fine line back in his failed 1994 Senate campaign, vowing to fight for equality but stopping short of endorsing gay marriage. That’s the same line he walked Thursday night.

He has changed, though, on whether gay marriage should be addressed at the state or federal level. He has favored a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage at least since the beginning of his 2008 presidential bid, when he was the only major Republican candidate to do so. In 1994, he had said the matter should be decided by individual states. That was before the idea of a constitutional ban had gained traction in politics.

___

BACHMANN: “After the debates that we had last week, PolitiFact came out and said that everything I said was true.”

THE FACTS: False.

For the second debate in a row, Gingrich complained that Bachmann wasn’t getting her facts straight, this time when she went after him for the big money he made from Freddie Mac. In her own defense, Bachmann cited ratings from PolitiFact, a fact-checking organization that ranks statements on a scale from true to false, with the worst offender being “Pants on Fire” false.

PolitiFact rated two Bachmann statements from last week’s debate. One, claiming Gingrich once believed in an individual health care mandate, was ranked mostly true. The other, that Romney introduced “socialized medicine” in his state, was judged “Pants on Fire” false.

Indeed, Bachmann has the worst record of accuracy in the Republican field, as rated by that organization and traced by others. Fully 73 percent of her statements checked by PolitiFact were judged mostly false or worse. Gingrich was wrong the next most often, 59 percent of the time.

http://minnesota.publicradio.o.....k-bachmann

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 4:53PM

Sorry to inform you that insults fail to shut me up here.
And the SIMPLE truth is that anyone who can openly and on T.V. at a CAMPAIGN for the Presidency of the United States of America, actually open their mouths and blame America for terrorism, and proclaim that Iran isn't a problem, is a whack job amongst whack jobs, fool amongst fools, idiot amongst idiots.
Sheesh.

David| 12.16.11 @ 5:12PM

He did not blame "Americans". He blamed the failed foreign policy (and clandestine CIA operations) of past administrations. This is true. Look it up. If had not been bullying Iran and meddling in their internal affairs for 60+ years, maybe they would not want a nuclear weapon. If you were Iranian, what would you do? BTW, Iran is a peaceful nation (its people not its current leaders) and has not invaded another country in 100+ years. They have a moderate, democratically elected govt until our CIA overthrew it in 1953 in the name of oil. It's called "Blowback" and the CIA has acknowledged its existence....why is it so hard for you to understand?

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:48PM

I understand that your thinking is all wrong, that's what I understand.
I feel sorry for you that you actually believe what you do, that you believe a raving lunatic who actually believes America is an "Aggressor" and all of the rest of the nonsense you just spewed.

You've been well schooled. Let me ask you, did you learn this in the school or university you went to, or just from going to Ron Paul's website or hanging around with Paul types?
I'm just curious.

Mrkhan| 12.17.11 @ 5:25PM

TO the contrary, what YOU are spewing out of ur Hellish, devil seamen infested, war mongering zionist mouth is what is taught to us in school... Did u even go 2 school/college margie or is ur degree from your local church?

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 7:58PM

Wow. That certainly takes the insulting to a new level!
Well done, snake.

Edward| 12.16.11 @ 2:56PM

Jeffrey Lord Haw Haw, haven't you learned your lesson yet?

Can I have some digital fish wrap this around?

Ed| 12.16.11 @ 3:04PM

It was probably a jew masquerading as Ron Paul. Just ask any paultard, they'll tell you. Ron was studying the Constitution when the columns were written. You expect him to read his own newsletter. It's not in the Constitution, Ron doesn't read it.

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 3:59PM

" Texas Rep. Ron Paul has surged to second place in a new Iowa poll of likely Republican caucus goers, just one percent behind former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the current front-runner.

Paul has consistently placed in the top tier of Republican presidential candidates in recent Iowa polls. With Iowans heading to vote in only three weeks, Gingrich holds a razor-thin 22–21 lead.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found weakening support for Gingrich among self-identified tea partiers, and a dramatic rise in Paul’s favorability rating.

“There are a lot of parallels between Paul’s strength in Iowa and Barack Obama’s in 2008 — he’s doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters,” said PPP in an explanation of its poll’s findings."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Casey Abell| 12.16.11 @ 3:10PM

This isn't my post, even if my name is on it and I use words like "I" and "my" in it. If you say it's my post, I'll deny it and my followers will believe me. Really.

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:37PM

Then you belong to a mental hospital not to a political party.

William R| 12.16.11 @ 3:17PM

Ron Paul Rocks the Debates, Draws Fire, and if He Wins Iowa? Never Mind!

http://reason.com/blog/2011/12.....-draws-fir

Jack| 12.16.11 @ 3:19PM

Ghostwriters use the word "me" also.

All of this stuff has been public for about 20 years. There is nothing new here. Ron Paul didn't write the newsletters. Yawn.

Willy| 12.16.11 @ 3:27PM

Smoking gun? Ron Paul is a smoking gun. That is, when he is not busy rearranging the tin foil in his hat.

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:38PM

LMAO!

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 4:03PM

Yeah, what we really need to do is strip the Bill of Rights wholesale to protect us from the jihadists and the nutty tin foil hat wearers. They are lurking around every corner! We need more government agents to protect us from the army of conspiracy theorists!!

Nick Bradley| 12.16.11 @ 3:28PM

Moronic -- ghostwriters write in the first person. Are you going to go ahead and delete this post now?

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:33PM

I doubt that. The pro-Obama MSM will not dig into his racist past because they know he is the easiest candidate to be beaten in a landslide by Obama. So they won't go after him. Ru Paul is a disgrace.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 3:55PM

MORE WARS, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING!!

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:27PM

and you are a MORON....so what's new....NOTHING....just more desperation from you NEO CON WARMONGERing KILLERS of FREEDOM!

Andrew| 12.16.11 @ 3:33PM

Jeffery Lord. You mean the guy that loves war so much he is willing to sacrifice every bit of integrity he may have once had on it's alter?

"We encourage readers to share and discuss their thoughtful and relevant comments about this Spectator article. Comments are routinely monitored and will be deleted if profane, bigoted, or grossly impolite. Please be respectful. (And don't feed the trolls!) Thank you."

Doesn't that mean they should be deleting this article?

I guess this shouldn't surprise me. The great thing is that I was linked here by Ron Paul supporters most of whom heard all of this 4 years ago. The fact that a blogger would link to something that is so obviously a hack job (the guy doesn't even know how to use a proper image editor) presenting such flimsy evidence is pretty indicative of the fact Jeffery Lord shouldn't be a commentator. He should be collecting change on the streets or maybe fighting in the needless wars he wants to send my friends into.

Len| 12.16.11 @ 4:11PM

JL here desperately hates RP and the fidlelity he has to the US constitution and liberty, so he continues the attempts to smear the one man with integrity in DC.

He has continually had his heinie handed to him in his attempts to distort historical facts by wrapping them in his narrative, rather than the actual context they occurred. His recent dribblings about the Monroe Doctrine are but one example.

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:35PM

Ru Paul suffers from dementia and needs to be placed in a mental asylum.

Richard Philgren| 12.16.11 @ 3:45PM

The freedom loving guy that you are, would you use force to place him there?

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:52PM

nah... but he is a menace to the world's peace though. But I say let him run his dirty mouth. He'll never be anything but a retarded and obscure congressman from TX.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 4:00PM

Yeah that guy advocating against wars is a threat to world peace! 2+2=7!!

Jimbob| 12.16.11 @ 3:53PM

You first, winston...

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 3:58PM

Yeah, put that guy away! What we really need is MORE WARS, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING and MORE BAIL OUTS! Down with Ru Paul!

Richard Philgren| 12.16.11 @ 3:39PM

Jeffrey Lord, Mark Levin, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity have all refused to debate Thomas E. Woods or Ron Paul. Oh, how I would love to see the pretend conservatives get destroyed by a true intellectual. Especially Levin, who just shouts down those that disagree with him.

Richard Philgren| 12.16.11 @ 3:43PM

Who is paying you idiots? Someone has to be... for you could never have your views considered in your minds as Constitutional.

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:50PM

These low lives are homeless retards. They spend their worthless days on computers trashing their cult leader opponents.

Jimbob| 12.16.11 @ 3:58PM

This guy above needs an ativan...

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 6:00PM

This is typical of people who hate Ron Paul. No arguments or facts or anything. Just a spew of hate. It's really the number one reason Paul keeps getting new supporters.

Even on Hannity's own website today, I kept reading post after post of people who were couldn't believe the hate pouring from Hannity towards Ron Paul and how they kind of like him now.

So, keep it the insults and cheap smears, guys. This just helps drive people to Ron Paul.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 7:06PM

"Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!" Is. 5:20.

Again, you've got backwards, jeremiah. The hater is Ron Paul and his minions, like you, who smear and name call and hate normal Americans.

You're in utter darkness, dude.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 8:12PM

Yes, anyone who is against MORE WARS, MORE DEBT and MORE MONEY PRINTING is an EVIL HATER!!

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 8:20PM

Yeah, yeah.. we want more wars. Duuuhhh.
Let us know when you graduate from kindergarten.
Fools.

Diogenes| 12.16.11 @ 3:39PM

Ron Paul didn't know anything about those newsletters with his name on them. Just like Barry O. had no idea what Jeremiah Wright was preaching every Sunday for 20 years.

Ed| 12.16.11 @ 3:45PM

Right. And his policy views are to the left of Obama (and his hatred of jews worse).

winston | 12.16.11 @ 3:51PM

Ru Paul is a jew hating communist

Jimbob| 12.16.11 @ 3:55PM

And winston is the last, remaining brainwashed idiot...

JP| 12.16.11 @ 3:46PM

contrast it with his voting record like on Rosa Parks medal of honor. Lone vote against, and he lied about the funding of it to justify while also sponsoring similar boy scouts medal which actually did cost taxpayers money

jeremiah| 12.16.11 @ 5:29PM

Actually, he asked for everyone from congress to pay for it out of their own pocket instead of the taxpayer's money. He put in his money. No one else did. They'd rather use your money to show how caring they are instead of their own.

I loooooove watching all the blood lusting, neo-conservative, war freaks start trying to trash someone as a racist. Like I always say, you know you're right when conservatives start acting like liberals. It feels like I'm on the Huffignton Post here with all the "he's a racist!" smears.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 7:07PM

"neo-conservative, war freaks.."

What was that you said about name calling and smearing?

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 8:13PM

The only way to peace is through TOTAL WAR! The only way to prosperity is through MORE DEBT!

Rob A| 12.16.11 @ 3:46PM

Ron Paul supporter Calls out Hannity for Smear Job. Talk Radio Mafia Collusion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCuCuagKd18

JP| 12.16.11 @ 3:46PM

The Reason article on these said in 1991 they made a profit of around $1 Million and he paid his Wife and Daughter a salary from them.

Did Mrs. Paul know the contents or did she write them Dr. Paul????

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 3:47PM

Uh Oh !

The Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Flunkie Stooges Are Throwin' Jello On The Wall To See If Any Can Stick.

Asked & Answered In The 2008 Election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:12PM

YAY!!! Go Dr. Paul.....KICK this LORD's FACIST's A$$ to kingdom come!!!!

Rob A| 12.16.11 @ 3:50PM

Ron Paul's intellectual hero's are all Jews. So cut it with the Anti-Semite smears, you garbage. Rothbard, Von Mises, Hyak and others....ALL JEWS....

Ron Paul treated People of Color as a Medical Doctor FOR FREE. Does that sound racist to you?

Ron Paul wanted Walter Williams as his VP in 2007 & 08'....Is that Racist?

The head of the NAACP in AUSTIN TX has defended Paul against these false smears back in 2008.

Get your facts str8 you piece of crap, jeff lord....

We get it, you dont like his FP, but thats no reason to try to smear the man. Plaing the race card, is a leftist tactic....guess you are showing your true colors

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:10PM

The ESTABLISHMENT can't handle that we the people DON"T WANT THEM OR TRUST THEM...

WAKE UP AMERICA....JOIN THE RON PAUL REVOLUTION!!!

KDW| 12.18.11 @ 9:46AM

Ron Paul is not a racist.

Ron Paul is a nut. You don't have to be a neo-con
warmonger to recognize how dangerous it is
to want to bury your head in the sand and isolate
yourself from the dangers in the world.

Iran and it's leader's nihilistic views of the world,
combined with it's decades long support of terror,
is not a threat we can slough off. Letting Iran
develop a nuclear weapons industry which will
give them the ability to mass produce nukes for
themselves and their terrorist allies could kill us
all. Paul and his supporters refusal to see any
danger in this is truly scary.

JP| 12.16.11 @ 3:50PM

Reason 2008 on this http://reason.com/archives/200.....newsletter

Besides Ron Paul and Lew Rockwell, the officers of Ron Paul & Associates included Paul's wife Carol, Paul's daughter Lori Pyeatt, Paul staffer Penny Langford-Freeman, and longtime campaign manager Mark Elam (who has managed every Paul congressional campaign since 1996 and is currently the Texas coordinator for the presidential run), according to tax records from 1993 and 2001.

JP| 12.16.11 @ 3:52PM

Maybe Ron can tell us if Mrs. Paul and his Daughter wrote the newsletter or knew of the contents?

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 4:54PM

Ask Your Newt/Romney Chickenhawk RINO-CINO Bobbsey Twins to bring it up , Israel Firster.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

Jimbob| 12.16.11 @ 3:50PM

Someone for sure is getting paid BIG to do this rehashed CRAP all over again…

JP| 12.16.11 @ 3:53PM

What do you suppose the Dems and MSM would do with these in General Election Einstein?

Paul wouldnt' make it to election day before being forced to withdraw and resign his seat.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 3:57PM

MORE WARS, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING, MORE BAIL OUTS!!

Jimbob| 12.16.11 @ 4:29PM

The status quo in power had done (and continues to inflict) more damage (and countless lives lost) than this "alleged" newsletters allegations. Ron Paul has far more integrity and credibility than those who wish to discredit him.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:34PM

You're desperate.....go back to sleep.....anyone with a PEA size brain knows that the Dr. is NO racists.....you on the other hand most likely are a RACIST!

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 8:54PM

Asked And Answered In The 2008 Election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=82CYNV0U_kg

The Israel Firster Propaganda Squad Are Throwing Jello Against The Wall To See If Something Sticks.

Bring It Israel Firster RINO-CINO'S.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is here And In Iowa.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:07PM

The establishment is VERY afraid that WE the PEOPLE might choose our OWN PREZ how is HONEST and TRUSTWORTHY....this is much to do about NOTHING....Ron Paul doesn't have a RACIST bone in his body.....get off the CRAP Lord.....you are an IDIOT and continue to prove it!

Rob A| 12.16.11 @ 4:08PM

Toss the Race Card, like a good leftist....Good job Lord....

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 4:09PM

Again, in another anxious attempt to discredit Paul, you introduce no new evidence. It is without question, and has never been disputed, that Ron Paul has at various points contributed to his own newsletter. However, he has also stated on numerous occasions that there was a period in the mid-90s when he let go of his control and when several other contributors wrote columns he didn't support. He has stated over and over again that his views don't comport with certain columns that were printed therein.

But here's the context of this Dallas News Interview you and the rest of the Neocon echo chamber have conveniently decided to ignore:

“Indeed, it is shocking to consider the uniformity of opinion among blacks in this country. Opinion polls consistently show that only about 5% of blacks have sensible political opinions, i.e. support the free market, individual liberty, and the end of welfare and affirmative action. I know many who fall into this group personally and they deserve credit—not as representatives of a racial group, but as decent people.”

Ok, so I agree. And I'll bet Clarence Thomas does too. I know Allen West and Alan Keyes do. How is this racist? Neocon Ann Coulter wrote an entire book based on shocking racial statistics. I think a well-known and well-established 90-95% Democratic support demographic among Blacks speaks for itself. Do I think 95% of Blacks are dumb? No, just misinformed and misled; along with all the White liberals.... which in sheer numbers is a much larger demographic than Black liberals.

"Given the inefficiencies of what D.C. laughingly calls the `criminal justice system,' I think we can safely assume that 95 percent of the black males in that city are semi-criminal or entirely criminal.”

Yes, and, See Paul's views on drug laws. He was talking about the high incarceration rate of Blacks. Given what "DC laughingly calls a criminal justice system" we're are forced to believe that 95% of Blacks are criminals; BECAUSE of the well established numbers on Black incarceration. See also, Neocon Ann Coulter's book talking about high Black incarcertation rates. Was she a racist for also referring to true facts, with occasional exaggeration to underscore her points?

Paul is not preaching that 95% of Blacks are subhuman criminals, he was suggesting that the DC penal system is cynical and misguided given the disproportionate number of Blacks in prison (its probably not 95%, but Im sure its shockingly high). Likely, he is thinking of the misguided drug laws: Violations of which are much more rampant among Black communities than among White communities. In other words,

Now, consider the absurdity of this debate: Let's suppose the worst: That Ron Paul is = David Duke in his views on race. And let's assume what would have to be the case: That he, unlike Duke, is trying to mislead people into believing that he is not a racist in order to become president. So, he is a latent* racist (rather than an open racist), as you and the Neocon circle are clearly suggesting. Then, why on earth would he publically say anything that is actually/openly racist? Is the much more logical position that, whether he is or is not a latent racist, that these comments are probably being taken grossly out of context? And that there is in fact a perfectly non-racist point being made? Of course it is, but you're not interested in context, so why read the actual interview and try to make a logical inference.

Try again.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 4:34PM

Your logic is getting in the way of what this country really needs: MORE WAR, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING, and MORE BAIL OUTS.

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 4:56PM

http://spectator.org/blog/2011.....-schultz-a

Apparently, when MSNBC fired Don Imus (whom Lord affectionately calls "the I-Man") for using a racial slur against a specific group of college-aged females, who were not public figures, in Jeffrey Lord's view, MSNBC was having an "absolute meltdown."

Uh-huh...

Having a meltdown over an obscure 20 year old newsletter that everybody's heard about it, are we?

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 5:07PM

I guess if Paul had just said 95% of Blacks are "nappy headed hos" Mr. Lord would be providing his full support.

George S| 12.16.11 @ 5:47PM

Why are you bothering? Let Ron Paul explain.

Oh, and when you decry "no new evidence" are you implying there is old evidence? Or are you demanding new evidence to discredit old evidence? Will the new evidence then become old evidence and therefore can be ignored? Or is all evidence not evidence of any evidence? I'm confused, no doubt.

Do you really think that the American public will proudly nominate an old white racist to run against an incumbent black president? Think about all those "character issues" the RP crowd throws against Gingrich and Bachmann, to name a couple.

When you are explaining, you have already lost. This election is too important to turn into a media feeding frenzy. Obama will win. Do you want that?

Do you want that?

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 6:35PM

The one thing you got right was that you are "confused." Since I'm such a nice guy, I'll try to help:

In legal parlance, the term "evidence" does not automatically imply a conclusion. Both sides of a case will undoubtedly produce "evidence." Some of that evidence will just be really bad evidence, with respect to the proponent's allegation. In such cases, the proponent's poor evidence, with respect to their allegations, shall "lose." Lord has constantly tried to prove that Paul is a racist by harping on this Newsletter issue. Yet, he doesn't produce any "new evidence," which has not already been discussed and debated. If it were "good" old evidence, that would be one thing. It's not. And worse, he takes this "old evidence" and distorts it to pad his weak case that Ron Paul is a latent racist.

In legal parlance, we call this argument a "loser."

Now, I'm constantly amused at how you Neocons approach intellecutal debate. But I find it especially telling that you think the mere fact that I am explaining something (ie, providing much needed context to Lord's latest hit piece) on behalf of a candidate I support for president, proves that I have, ipso facto, lost. Huh. And do you feel the same way about all trials, disputes and debates? I guess the Apostles lost too the moment they tried to explain the case for Christ. I guess a criminal defense lawyer loses the moment he tries to defend his client. Mr. Lord made numerous untrue and misleading statements for the sole purpose of puting Ron Paul's character on defense. As a voter who supports the same philosophy as Paul, and who is sick of these personality wars and cheap shots, and who is waiting for Neocons like Lord to actually come forward and submit a serious/substantive argument, yes, you're damn right I thought some explaining was in order.

How assinine can you be?

Ps, inasmuch it has not been shown that Paul is a "racist" by any means, I am left with your label that Paul is "old and white." Oh my goodness! I only wish he were young and ethnic like Ronal Reagan!

blounttruth| 12.16.11 @ 4:10PM

I would love to see the proof. Paul was accused in 2008 and no evidence came out, so I am excited to see this. As far as his performance at the debate last night he was once again spot on, and most credible media outlets are showing that Bachman lied about Iran just like Bush did about Iraq or perhaps is to ignorant to accept the ttruth, wonder who will win that argument in America today when the truth is on Paul's side and 76% are tired of war? Hate to break it to you neo cons, America is over your ignorance, over the torture, over the wars, over the theft, over the lies, and most of all over the PNACers. War is the failure of state, and if anything describes failure it is the modern day neo conservative partisan, or willing ovis aries's that you are.

Rob A| 12.16.11 @ 4:12PM

This is the dumbest thing idiots like Lord and Levin could possibly do.

Do you really think Ron Paul supporters will just vote GOP if Paul doesnt win the Nomination? NO!!

It doesnt even matter if he runs 3rd party. We still wont vote GOP. WHY? Because Ron Paul Supporters WILL ONLY VOTE FOR CANDIDATES WHO HAVE A RECORD OF STRICT CONSTITUTIONAL ADHERENCE.

So what will we do instead? Well one of 3 things.

1. Stay Home
2. Vote 3rd Party
3. Write in Ron Paul

Either way, good luck beating Obama without the millions of Paul supporters.

You know its one thing to attack his FP. I get that. But to smear the man, and hit him below the belt is disgusting. You should be ashamed you leftist piece of crap.

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 4:31PM

Rob A, if there was ever a chance that I would again vote for the Neocon candidate (as I have in both of the presidential elections I've been eligible to vote in), that ship has long sailed.

Mainly, it's because I do not think Neconservatives get to lie, slander, libel and distort the candidate whose views I support; only to enjoy the benefit of my vote for their lousy, discredited candidates.

The Neocons are elitist, ideological snobs who think it is beneath them to tell the full truth, let alone to pay respect to opposing views. So why the Hell would I vote for their chosen candidate (any of the 7 remaining Neo-Jacobin, Neo-Conservative Progressivist), when they've done nothing but lambast the one I've supported? And I say this, knowing that Neocons consider this attitude heretical to the Great GOP. Well, I say, enjoy 4 more years of Obama, and have fun in this election without my vote. We deserve Obama if this is what our political environment has come to.

They think Obama is SO much worse than Gingrich, Romney, etc, that we need to vote for anyone but Obama (except Ron Paul). Yea, I fail to see the truly important differences between Obama and Romney.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:39PM

AMEN.....this people should be HUNG out to dry....Dr. Paul says it best.....
“Truth is treason in the empire of lies.”
― Ron Paul, The Revolution: A Manifesto

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 5:03PM

Well then, that's make Ron Paul a Treasonist then, wouldn't it.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 5:12PM

Do you believe Saddam was behind 9/11 Margie?

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 5:58PM

Do you believe Ron Paul wears a tin-foil hat and peeks under his bed at night before getting into it searching for Neo-Cons?

LOL.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 6:07PM

No.

Do you believe Saddam was behind 9/11 or just scary in general?

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 7:08PM

Hahaha! you're fulla bulla, kiddo.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 10:21PM

I don't understand that answer, which is typical.

Do you think Saddam was behind 9/11?

Y or N will cover it.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:37PM

You don't understand my answer~ OK, I'll explain. Listen up.
It means you're full of Bull!@#$.
Got it?

Ron Paul DOES probably search under his bed at night looking for hiding Neo-cons before he retires.
And he is dressed all pert near in his flannel nightshirt and donning his tin foil hat.

Alex Jones told me so, under threat of extinction. I mean extermination.
Whatever.

C Bowen | 12.17.11 @ 7:14AM

Marge--

I still cannot figure it out--do you believe the lie that Saddam was behind 9/11?

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 8:53PM

C Bowen baaaby--

Give it up. You are trying to hard to exist.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 4:13PM

The Ruling Class lied their own country into war by falsely linking Saddam to 9/11...AmSpec even got into the act (want to be they got a contribution from some insiders? Babbin was on the take from the Pentagon for goodness sake) printing Laurie Mylroie and Ken Timmerman's tin foil hat theories even tying Saddam to OKC.

These are sick, sick people, with no honor.

A hundred thousand dead, trillions of dollars in new debt, millions in misery...

And they get their panties in a bunch over this?

No shame, no honor.

When will be rid of the Ruling Class as AmSpec contributor, Angelo Codevilla asked, since relegated to the black hole.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 4:31PM

What do you mean? What this country really needs is MORE WAR, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING and MORE BAIL OUTS! Ru Paul is against this, therefore he is SICK AND NUTTY!

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 4:34PM

Newt Gingrich and Obama (I am sure Romney is also) all agree that while males should be treated as second class citizens when it comes to education and jobs.

They are anti-white racists, and they proudly state it.

Yet, Gingrich gets a pass on being a racist?

What is going on here?

Red Phillips | 12.16.11 @ 5:27PM

C Bowen, before Gingrich became Speaker he was an outspoken opponent of affirmative action and other forms of anti-white self hatred. After he became Speaker he changed his mind and started saying that Republicans/conservatives shouldn't oppose affirmmative action for political reasons. I anxiously await Lord's next piece about Gingrich's cowardly embrace of anti-white policies.

I'll link to a good VDARE article on this later, but right now they are having a fundraiser and all links redirect to the fundraising appeal.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 6:06PM

Gingrich was a supporter of mandatory health insurance, before being speaker.

This is a disproportional tax on white males, younger white miles between 20-40 who simply don't need the level of health insurance that would be mandatory to purchase..to subsidize corporate profits for women, immigrants, the old and so on who use, and statistically would 'need' those services more.

The roots of anti-white male policy...

Rob A| 12.16.11 @ 4:25PM

According to Jeff Lord...his buddy Hannity is also a Racist.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....92961.html

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 4:47PM

Lord probably thinks Robert Stacy McCain is a racist.

DRed| 12.16.11 @ 6:17PM

Some of you actually think Stacy isn't a racist?

Sea Cucumber| 12.16.11 @ 4:26PM

Jeff,

Ghost writers frequently use "I", "me", etc... I would know, having done so myself.

That said I still don't know why a self-described conservative would find anything of concern with the newsletters. I can understand why they might upset a leftist, however.

jacqlynsmith| 12.16.11 @ 4:41PM

LOL...GOOD point....this guy is NO conservative....NOT by a long shot......more like a FACIST/Communist wanna' be!

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.16.11 @ 4:58PM

Jeffrey Lord is just trying to suck up to his Neocon betters, hoping that someone will drop him some crumbs. Who ever, EVER, heard of Jeffrey Lord before this. He has never made a name for himself..his writings are a joke. Just read his absurd blog on neocons in the western hemisphere..you have this gem that he uses to prove the founders were ideologically neocons: "...as these interventions go allllllllllllllll the way back to at least the Father of the Constitution, President James Madison, who sent the U.S. Navy to Chilean waters in the form of the Essex, where the U.S. Navy forced British ships to leave."

I guess it is intervention when you are in fact AT WAR with the British to attack their navy around the world. But ignores the fact that founding father John Q. Adams emphatically refutes neocon fantasies of America's role in the world in 1821. It mirrors what the other major figures said circa the founding. THIS IS CONSERVATIVE FOREIGN POLICY!

http://www.fff.org/comment/AdamsPolicy.asp

William R| 12.16.11 @ 4:59PM

Can't decide who the bigger idiot is, Shammity, Lord, or Levin. I do know Shammity and Lord are dishonest liars.

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.16.11 @ 5:19PM

I'd have to go with Shammity as the biggest idoit. He is at the top of the heap even though it keeps him in good graces with the establishment but he can't put together a coherent historically relevant argument to save his life..appeals to knee jerk republicans though. Levin has dual allegiance...so it's no surprise there (you figure which allegiance is greater..seems pretty obvious) o' Lord..is just a bottom feeder looking for a way up..it's easy to sling mud when you live in the gutter.

sirbourbon| 12.16.11 @ 5:30PM

Newt sits in a ciomfy couch with Nancy Pelosi to push for cap and trade based on the false science of global warming that will harm the employment of black Americans and white Americans . Ron Paul runs a clinic that proivides free health care to black people that are too poor to pay and Paul is smeared as the bad guy!

The only expalantion is that jeff lord loves big government Newtsters over small government Pauls.

Paul McGrath| 12.16.11 @ 5:32PM

I never really had an inkling to vote for Dr. Ron Paul, but if I did, it would have been shattered by the vicious, hateful, and mostly illiterate comments made here by his supporters. Do you Paul supporters really think that you are helping his cause with this vile rhetoric?

Do you think that a person like me, a life-long, thoughtful conservative, would wish to have a person like this with supporters like this in charge of the country?

You're dreaming. It will be a relief when the old fool takes his final hike into oblivion, an event which will occur in about a month. The rest of you can howl at the moon for all I care.

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 5:41PM

" Texas Rep. Ron Paul has surged to second place in a new Iowa poll of likely Republican caucus goers, just one percent behind former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, the current front-runner.

Paul has consistently placed in the top tier of Republican presidential candidates in recent Iowa polls. With Iowans heading to vote in only three weeks, Gingrich holds a razor-thin 22–21 lead.

The poll, conducted by Public Policy Polling, found weakening support for Gingrich among self-identified tea partiers, and a dramatic rise in Paul’s favorability rating.

“There are a lot of parallels between Paul’s strength in Iowa and Barack Obama’s in 2008 — he’s doing well with new voters, young voters, and non-Republican voters,” said PPP in an explanation of its poll’s findings."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 5:58PM

A lifelong conservative has witnessed complete failure, even when all three branches were held by the Republicans.

I think losing is something you find comfort it, Mr McGrath, which is fine, perhaps dignified, but why take time to post?

Are you really going to kiss the Republican ring if another Establishment hack is nominated?

After all of the damage you yourself have surely seen. The debt, the lies, the wars of aggression, the treatment of Russell Kirk, the socialism, the anti-white policies, support for feminism, public funding of abortion--at the very same time they claim to be against it!

If we spent our time trying to win you over, well, I hope you trust we figured out a while back you are a lost cause.

Paul McGrath| 12.16.11 @ 6:56PM

Mr. Bowen,

I have been around for a while. I am old enough to have voted for Ford in '76. Yes, he was a disappointment. After this we had Reagan, and I am also old enough to remember that President Reagan was a bit disappointing in his second term. But he was nevertheless a great president.

Since then, both Republican presidents have been Bush the elder, a major disappointment, and Bush Jr., an unmitigated disaster for the Republican Party and for the country in general.

I don't know how old you are or how much you remember, but I can say--without any question of a doubt--that both Romney and Gingrich will be far stronger conservatives than either of the Bushes. I believe that a lot of younger conservatives are disappointed in the Republican Party because their only experience with Republican presidents were the execrable Bushes.

Hang in there, kid. It'll be okay. But you and other fence-sitters have to support our guys. We can NOT do another four years of Obama.

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 7:21PM

In 1976, Dr.Ron Paul was one of only four Republican congressmen to endorse Ronald Reagan for president.

Ronald Reagan endorsed Dr.Ron Paul.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is here And In Iowa.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 10:22PM

The eternal sunshine of a spotless mind, telling me to vote R and be happy.

Drugs? If only...

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:39PM

Mr. McGrath:

Do you see how utterly hopeless it is to try and talk to these people?
They really don't care!

Rob C| 12.16.11 @ 7:26PM

Mr. McGrath, you have an incredibly selective reading if you think most of the comments by Paul supporters on this message board have been hateful, vile and illiterarte. There are also a few choice anti-Paul statements I see here as well. So spare us the tired 'Well, I never paid much thought to Paul, but after seeing his supporters, I can't support him!' Please. I also note that no one in their right, logical, mind would say, for instance, 'Well, I would be a Christian, except that all those Christians seem to be so sinful!' It's up to YOU to distinguish between valid and invalid arguments; saying you don't like Paul because you saw a supporter use a curse word is ridiculous, and lazy.

I would also direct your attention to the article itself. This has been the m.o. of the Neocon echo chamber for years now: Don't debate Paul, just slander and see what sticks. As a supporter of the same philosophy, I get a little irritated when people like Lord deflect from any serious debate of his principles and ideas by raising ad hominem, posioning the well and distorting factual evidence to suggest that Ron Paul is a racist.

Nobody called Lord a racist, so let's get real about who is being vile and vicious. Nobody called Lord (or you for that matter) an "old fool" either. Spare us the faux outrage.

Patrian| 12.16.11 @ 5:35PM

ROFL.. they are getting desperate to lose their hold on power... the gravy train of big government and everlasting wars under the guide of "God Fearing" conservatives.

sirbourbon| 12.16.11 @ 5:46PM

President Harry Truman used the "N" word they say as often as he changed his socks. Supreme Court Justice Hugo Black was a Klu Klux Klan member. Senator Robert Byrd was an honorary member of the KKK. All of these men are dead but none of them were ever given the treatment by the mainstream media for their past associations with a factually racist outfit.

Today the judical system locks up far more black Americans as a percentage of their population than the mostly white judical system locks up whites charged with drug related crimes. Does this mean that all white judges are racists?
Or that poor blacks can't afford the pricey lawyers that their white counterparts can afford?

Is it a combination of the two or is the war on drugs hurting blacks more than whites?

Paul is the only one calling for an end to the federal managed "drug war" that puts more black American behind bars than white Americans.

http://drugwarfacts.org/cms/?q=node/64

On abortion Paul fights to end the practice since UN sanctioned abortion campaigns are akin to a genocide war in poor nations in the African continent. Paul has introduced bills to defund the UN, while Gingrich while in congress voted to expand UN funding.

Jeff in WV| 12.16.11 @ 6:00PM

Glad to see Ron Paul supporters on here schooling ol' Jeffrey again!!

LOL!!

Keep up the good work.

:)

Randy | 12.16.11 @ 6:13PM

Drip drip drip. The truth is coming out about Ron Paul. I hope the GOP gives him the Joe Sobran treatment. Show him the door.

WORD| 12.16.11 @ 6:36PM

Yes! That is the only way we can ensure MORE WAR, MORE DEBT, MORE MONEY PRINTING and MORE BAIL OUTS. Ru Paul must go and he can take the Bill of Rights with him!

Clint| 12.16.11 @ 7:15PM

Randy's A Drip,

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here And In Iowa.

C Bowen | 12.16.11 @ 6:16PM

Someone ask Jeff Lord about his definition of lynching and ask him to write more on the topic.

Should be worth a few laughs.

Robert Fallin| 12.16.11 @ 6:27PM

Oh, I see, Mr. Lord, some 20 year old newsletters are more important than our beloved President, the other GOP candidates and big majorities in Congress allowing the murder, torture or indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without charges. Glad to see you have your priorities straight.

Robert Fallin| 12.16.11 @ 6:27PM

Oh, I see, Mr. Lord, some 20 year old newsletters are more important than our beloved President, the other GOP candidates and big majorities in Congress allowing the murder, torture or indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without charges. Glad to see you have your priorities straight.

Robert Fallin| 12.16.11 @ 6:27PM

Oh, I see, Mr. Lord, some 20 year old newsletters are more important than our beloved President, the other GOP candidates and big majorities in Congress allowing the murder, torture or indefinite imprisonment of US citizens without charges. Glad to see you have your priorities straight.

Red Phillips | 12.16.11 @ 6:44PM

The saddest part of all of this is how quickly so called "conservative" opponents of Paul will resort to left-wing Cultural Marxist PC thought enforcement and grandstanding tactics if they think it will hurt Paul. They all act like a bunch of Morris Dees wannabes. It is simply pathetic. I don't know how such shills sleep with themselves at night knowing that they are empowering the PC zeitgeist by dancing to its tune and acting as its enforcement arm.

All this prostituting to the PC right-think enforcers and the “racist” newsletters are defensible from a conservative standpoint when read in context anyway. Read this defense from Justin Raimondo. Jeffrey Lord and the rest of the anti-Paul PC Gestapo are an embarrassment to authentic conservatism, and should be ashamed of themselves. But I’m sure Morris Dees is proud of you.

http://takimag.com/article/why.....z1gk65TaRr

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.16.11 @ 7:51PM

knowledge is power - more for the arsenal:

"A new book: "Edited by historian George Nash, Freedom Betrayed: Herbert Hoover’s History of the Second World War and Its Aftermath is a searing indictment of FDR and the men around him as politicians who lied prodigiously about their desire to keep America out of war, even as they took one deliberate step after another to take us into war."

These are Hoover's own writings from the time in question. Being duped into war is nothing new in this country. Iraq/Gulf war/Serbia/Somalia Libya/ etc. etc.

Yet the book is no polemic. The 50-page run-up to the war in the Pacific uses memoirs and documents from all sides to prove Hoover’s indictment. And perhaps the best way to show the power of this book is the way Hoover does it — chronologically, painstakingly, week by week. "

the summary here:

http://original.antiwar.com/bu.....rl-harbor/

"If you would know the history that made our world, spend a week with Mr. Hoover’s book."

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 8:23PM

Derrrr.
You Wepublicans want more war. aw da time. Dats all you want is war.
We Paul-bots we are da ones who want peace.
Yeah! We dee only ones who want peace.
You are all a bunch of war-mongers who hate Amewica.
Ask Bawney Fwank, he'll tell ya!
We dee only REAL conservatives awound here.
Ask Dennie Kucinich, he'll' tell ya!
He gits it like Ron Paul does.
Wooo heee.

read H. Hoover's FDR papers| 12.17.11 @ 1:46AM

please..
if you want some real laughs..write a little post making the case that the iraq war was needed. your attempt would be pathetically humorous..until we remember images of the thousands of dead and maimed americans...defend that. i'm sure you are pissed at obama for pulling the troops out when we are just this close to finding those nukes..huh marge? what is your conspiracy theory on the nukes. tin hat..look in the mirror. talk about brainwashed. people like you should be marched into the VA hospitals, cemeteries, etc. the way the germans were marched past the concentration camps. that's why you guys are so quick to start another war in iran..so you don't have to face your complicity in this national disgrace...especially when the founding father's told you explicitly not to fall for this crap..oh but we are so much smarter now aren't we. pathetic.

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 1:54PM

Ya know, I would really quit the lying if I were you. God really IS going to throw them into Hell.

Ever read Rev. 21:8?

FlyingComic| 12.16.11 @ 8:54PM

Ron Paul supporters always get accused of being "conspiracy nuts," but Jeffrey Lord rests his hat on a site that, by comparison, makes conspiracy sites look like the New York Times.

Now **THAT'S** funny!

Kynthia| 12.16.11 @ 10:10PM

I smell desperation! Hannity, Levin, Rush, Lord...they are all losing it! Even if for some miracle these allegations are true I will still give the man my vote. Based upon his 35 years of consistency, his economic and foreign policy predictions and his intelligence, integrity and quest for peace...there is no one even close. Ron Paul is no racist.

Margie| 12.16.11 @ 10:43PM

Yeth, I can hear Ron Paul now, he's singing it.... "This is my quest.. to follow that staaaar, no matter how hopeless.... no matter how faaar (to the Left)."

Sing it, Paulies!

Stogie | 12.16.11 @ 10:58PM

Oh c'mon. I read those comments at Conservative Networks and they are pretty weak tea. So Paul believes blacks can run fast? So does the NFL and the NBA. That blacks commit crime out of proportion to their numbers? The FBI crime reports agree.

I am not a Ron Paul supporter due to his foreign policy views, but take care here that your slamming Paul does not become a Pyrrhic victory. We need his supporters (and they are many) to vote for the GOP candidate, whoever he or she turns out to be.

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 1:57PM

Sorry, but the truth needs to be spoken about the man's beliefs. Let the chips fall where they may.

pravin| 12.17.11 @ 5:47AM

jeffrey lord =margie. yep.it is called as an internet doppleganger.shame on you old man.rust in piece

Margie| 12.17.11 @ 1:55PM

Wow, I take that as a compliment, though I am sure Mr. Lord does not appreciate the comparison.

Will| 12.21.11 @ 2:11PM

How is one saved. Marge? How does one come to know Christ?

hwt123| 12.24.11 @ 4:18PM

This story is a scam ...the editor is famous for being a puppet and a whore for money...

The American Spectator

The Spectacle Blog

Smoking Gun on Ron Paul Newsletters?

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