Daniel
Larison and
Scott Richert sound the right notes in arguing that there is
no pro-life justification for George Tiller's murder, bringing up
some points I didn't cover in my
rejoinder to Jacob Sullum.
Tiller's murderer neither had the civil authority to wield the
sword on behalf of the common good nor was he acting in defense
of himself or his extended family. The tragedy of legal abortion
is that those who have these duties are complicit: the government
permits abortion and, since Roe v. Wade, has called it a
constitutional right; the mother of the child is the one seeking
the abortion; the father is all too often, though certainly not
always, the one paying for or otherwise promotion the abortion.
These facts are relevant even when considering another commonly
heard rationale for antiabortion violence: the "Good Samaritan"
acting in defense of unborn children who have been abandoned unto
death by their parents and government. After Tiller's murder I
received an email asking, "If your neighbor's house is being
invaded by a deranged killer, and you have a gun, you would use
it, right?" And indeed, I hope I would act to disable a would-be
killer terrorizing my neighbor if I was able to do so.
But in the case of abortion, it is my neighbor who is inviting in
the killer. There is no moral certainty that they will not seek
another one or use an abortifacient, whereas I can be morally
certain I'm actually going to save my neighbor's life if I'm
successful according to my correspondent's example. Most
importantly, we live in a community where virtually everyone
understands that invading a home and killing its occupants is
wrong, probably including the killer himself. No one would
confuse my actions to save my neighbor with the actions of the
home invader.
None of that is true with abortion. In this country there are
millions of otherwise decent people, with good intentions and of
sound mind, who do not see anything wrong with abortion. There
are millions more who have moral qualms about abortion but would
be confused by violent acts by avowed pro-lifers against
abortionists, hardening their hearts against the unborn rather
than forming their consciences against abortion. And the people
who most need to have their consciences formed against abortion
are the mothers who seek them, the fathers who pay for them, and
the government officials who act to legalize or subsidize the
practice. In addition to not having any right or duty to dispense
lethal violence, Tiller's murderer is likely unleashing greater
evils than the evil he sought to prevent.
Sometimes violence, even lethal violence, is justified. But a
real pro-life ethic seeks to limits the use of violence, put
strict conditions on when and by what authority the taking of a
life can occur, and to keep private individuals from being able
to easily make decisions about who lives and who dies. However
reprehensible Tiller's line of work was, there are many things
that can be said about a fanatic gunning a man down in cold blood
while he is at church. "Pro-life" isn't one of them.
UPDATE: The Weekly Standard carries an
interesting article about the thinking of antiabortion
killers.
Tiller's work reprehensible? No. He served women in heartbreaking
circumstances. He served those who found out, late in their
pregnancies, that their child would not survive outside the womb.
Babies, for example, that developed without a brain
(anencephaly). How dare you call his work "reprehensible." Do you
think these mothers came to their decision lightly? Late-term
abortions account for less than 1% of all abortions. The mothers
*wanted* these babies, yet came to the - heartbreaking, I assure
you - conclusion that termination was best for both child and
mother. How dare you condescend to these mothers by accusing them
of "hardening their hearts against the unborn." No. They loved.
Sean| 6.17.09 @ 10:32AM
Fact is Tiller's killing was an illegal act according to written
law, but not necessarily an immoral one. Killing someone to save
the life of not just one person, but possibly thousands can be
considered a moral act. There is no stipulation that the lives
being saved have to be a related, that is just absurd. This is
equivalent of someone killing a functionary of any of the many
past mass murdering regimes in recent history. If the motive of
the killing is to help stop the murder of innocent victims then
the act is moral.
Jason Schuler| 6.17.09 @ 11:30AM
Tiller made millions off of killing viable babies. I happen to
believe in life hereafter and think that he will be accountable
for all the lives that he cut short. However, that makes no
impact on the morality of killing this man. We are under a
government and must obey it's laws. We must elect politicians to
enact laws and must abide by them. For those who believe in
prayer - that is the ultimate way to make changes in society.
WJ| 6.17.09 @ 11:41AM
Speaking just about the analogy you use.
You say that "my neighbor who is inviting in the killer", which
is true. However the neighbor is inviting the "killer" in to kill
the neighbor's child.
You wrote about saving the neighbor's life, when it would be
saving the life of the neighbor's child.
Brian Kirk| 6.17.09 @ 3:07PM
Jill: This interview of Diane Elder by Anderson Cooper is
profound.
Jill is absolutely right that many late-term abortions involve
hard-cases, scenarios where women who wanted their children find
themselves in heartbreaking circumstances. Unfortunately,
late-term abortions also involve the destruction of highly
developed unborn children, which is why so few doctors perform
them and even many supporters of legal abortion oppose them.
As for Sean's comment, I'm not suggesting that you have to be
related to someone to save their life. But Tiller's murderer
wasn't acting in self-defense or in defense of his family. He
wasn't exercising civil authority as part of the government. And
he wasn't engaging in an act of revolution against an
illegitimate government that was performing or coercing
abortions.
So before Tiller's murderer can claim to have used lethal
violence as a "Good Samaritan," we have to ask whose lives did he
save. Since the women seeking Tiller's services can go to another
abortionist or use an abortifiacient, we cannot know to a moral
certainty that any lives were saved. Even if we assume that all
the abortions Tiller was to have performed will never occur --
since Tiller did commit late-term abortions that are not
performed by many others -- if the act of violence helps
reinforce a culture where 1 million abortions occur a year, then
it still promoted greater evil than it solved.
Sean continues, "If the motive of the killing is to help stop the
murder of innocent victims then the act is moral. " But the
motive of many women who seek late-term abortions is to avoid
pain and suffering for their children, who as Jill notes above
may have abnormalities incompatible with their long-term
survival. That, along with helping women, may have been Tiller's
motive for performing late-term abortions. Does that make the
reality of those acts moral? Then the actions of Tiller's
murderer cannot be judged solely by motives.
Finally, WJ writes that abortion is analogous to intervening to
save my neighbor's children, not my neighbor. But in the case of
the home invader, I know to a moral certainty that I have saved
my neighbor's child. I do not know this with abortion. And is WJ
prepared to do lethal violence to his neighbor to save his
neighbor's children?
The point of being pro-life is to reduce the incidence of killing
and death by placing further restrictions on the ability of
private individuals to decide which of their neighbors will live
and die. It is not to come up with more loopholes to justify
killing. Many people in our society sincerely believe they are
doing the right thing by procuring or performing abortions. A
"pro-life" position that claims the right to take the lives of so
many of our countrymen is unworthy of the name.
Sean| 6.17.09 @ 11:59PM
I believe Jill is actually wrong on the reasons for most late
term abortions.
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/pbafact9.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion
We can judge whether Tiller's killer was committing a moral act
or immoral one based on his motives. If he killed Tiller to steal
his wallet then the killing would be murder and immoral.
Tiller's motives I think are immaterial. There seems to be ample
evidence that his goals weren't altruistic and even if so the
evidence points to destruction of innocent life. There also was
no evidence that he would stop without force being used. This is
sort of like claiming a Nazi doctor doing medical experiments on
what he believes to be subhumans is innocent because he believes
he did no wrong and it was legal. Killing that doctor would be
considered a moral act even if someone was waiting in the wings
to pick up were the former doctor left off. To be a Good
Samaritan you don't have to succeed in all your goals.
I think abortion in the USA and the killing of Tiller is a study
of human behavior. It shows what most people value including
those that are pro life, which is rule of law compared to
lawlessness. Even if that law protects immoral behavior.
Angel| 6.18.09 @ 1:24AM
Jill, Tiller performed more than 60,000 late term abortions in
his 35 year medical career. He charged $5000-$6000 per abortion
which earned him more than $300,000,000--that's nearly 1/3 of a
billion dollars. I don't know how noble Tiller was but he died an
extremely wealthy man.
It has been documented that many of Tiller's late term abortions
in which the babies were 8-8 1/2 months gestation were done for
trivial reasons such as panic attacks or depression in the
mother. Many were not 'hard' cases at all.
So, Jill, how dare you turn your head and ignore the savage
killing of perfectly healthy, viable babies who were torn from
their mothers' wombs for trivial reasons. Shame on you for trying
to obfuscate the horror that Tiller caused these innocent angels.
The murder of Doctor Tiller was wrong, but I'll never shed tears
on the monster's behalf.
choice joyce| 6.18.09 @ 1:44PM
I think some of the comments on this article typify the
"pro-life" attitude that excuses the murder of Dr. Tiller and
supports his murderer because of what Dr. Tiller was perceived to
have done wrong. "Mainstream" anti-abortion groups can publicly
denounce the murder all they want, but it's very clear that a
large percentage of their rank and file "pro-life" members -
probably most of them - support the murder or at least are happy
that Dr. Tiller is dead and think he deserved his fate.
This means the difference between so-called "peaceful pro-lifers"
and violent pro-lifers is just a matter of degree. They are all
bound by the belief that abortion is murder - some just believe
it more than others and decide to act on it, knowing they'll be
honored as martyrs by certain parts of the "pro-life" movement.
The anti-choice movement is fundamentally anti-life, because they
really don't give a damn what will happen to women who
desperately need Dr. Tiller's services. Or to the half a million
women who die every year due to preventable pregnancy problems,
including unsafe abortion. They are willing to knowingly
sacrifice ALL those women (and often their babies too), rather
than ensure that governments in developing countries provide
basic reproductive health services to women, simply because they
mistakenly think "reproductive health services" is a code phrase
for abortion.
Note to Sean: Jill is NOT wrong, she's talking about 3rd
trimester abortions, and the links you cite are talking mostly
about 2nd trimester abortions.
Angel| 6.18.09 @ 5:48PM
Choice--you pro-aborts lie, lie and lie some more. No one
believes your phony statistics--you'll say anything to keep the
money rolling in your direction. You'll rip and tear any healthy,
live baby from its mother's womb, anytime of the day or night as
long as you can pocket that cash. It's all about money with you
pro aborts because you sure don't care about women.
You protect Planned Parenthood when they botch abortions and
young girls die due to incompetence or dirty clinic conditions.
You encourage underage girls to have abortions even if they could
be victims of rape. You lie and skirt the law all of the time.
Sorry, as a pro lifer I won't let you define me by the actions of
a single killer, and I won't let your veiled threats keep me from
speaking out. Over 70% of Americans think late-term abortion is
WRONG! Wrap your demented brain around that, Choice. Over 50% of
Americans consider themselves PRO-LIFE! You pro abort fanatics
are shrinking in numbers--that's the reason for your shrill
rhetoric and lies.
You'll never shut me up, Choice. I'll never stop reminding people
that babies in the womb are our precious Angels who deserve all
of the love and compassion we can muster. How can we hurt these
innocent children? They are OUR children.
Abortion is a deep red stain on our country and all of our lives
have been degraded by its barbarity. God forgive us for this most
heinous sin.
He wants to justify the actions of Tiller's murderer based on
intentions and motives, but judge others only by their actions.
Except he also wants to argue about Tiller's motives. This makes
no sense. In fact, motive, the action itself, and the
consequences are all necessary to determine whether an act is
moral.
"This is sort of like claiming a Nazi doctor doing medical
experiments on what he believes to be subhumans is innocent
because he believes he did no wrong and it was legal."
But I am not the one arguing that sincerely held beliefs entitle
us to kill people. A Nazi doctor who so believed would not be
innocent. Tiller was not innocent. Tiller's murderer is not
innocent. Whether they can justifiably be killed, under what
circumstances, and by what authority are separate questions.
"Killing that doctor would be considered a moral act even if
someone was waiting in the wings to pick up were the former
doctor left off."
Yes, if we are talking about a new, legitimate government coming
in and executing the Nazi doctor for his crimes. Not necessarily
if we are talking about a private individual acting as judge,
jury, and executioner on his own.
"To be a Good Samaritan you don't have to succeed in all your
goals. "
That's because in most cases the Good Samaritan's work doesn't
involve killing. When it does, yes you have to have a reasonable
chance of succeeding at your goals. You are not a Good Samaritan
if killing is your only goal, even if the person being killed is
in some sense guilty. A Good Samaritan's goal must be to actually
save a life.
I'm responding to Sean's posts because they are dangerous, they
ignore crucial moral distinctions (such as between combatants and
noncombatants), and they are damaging to the pro-life movement. A
successful pro-life movement will convince parents of their duty
to their unborn children and just governments of their duty to
give unborn children legal protection. That's an infinitely more
pro-life approach than giving private citizens more power to
decide which of their countrymen will live or die.
Angel| 6.22.09 @ 5:07AM
Every "REAL" pro-lifer knows that the murder of Dr. Tiller was
wrong. All life must be defended.
But I also believe it's unfair to blame the pro life movement for
the moral equivocation of some.
Jill Elswick| 6.17.09 @ 9:44AM
Tiller's work reprehensible? No. He served women in heartbreaking circumstances. He served those who found out, late in their pregnancies, that their child would not survive outside the womb. Babies, for example, that developed without a brain (anencephaly). How dare you call his work "reprehensible." Do you think these mothers came to their decision lightly? Late-term abortions account for less than 1% of all abortions. The mothers *wanted* these babies, yet came to the - heartbreaking, I assure you - conclusion that termination was best for both child and mother. How dare you condescend to these mothers by accusing them of "hardening their hearts against the unborn." No. They loved.
Sean| 6.17.09 @ 10:32AM
Fact is Tiller's killing was an illegal act according to written law, but not necessarily an immoral one. Killing someone to save the life of not just one person, but possibly thousands can be considered a moral act. There is no stipulation that the lives being saved have to be a related, that is just absurd. This is equivalent of someone killing a functionary of any of the many past mass murdering regimes in recent history. If the motive of the killing is to help stop the murder of innocent victims then the act is moral.
Jason Schuler| 6.17.09 @ 11:30AM
Tiller made millions off of killing viable babies. I happen to believe in life hereafter and think that he will be accountable for all the lives that he cut short. However, that makes no impact on the morality of killing this man. We are under a government and must obey it's laws. We must elect politicians to enact laws and must abide by them. For those who believe in prayer - that is the ultimate way to make changes in society.
WJ| 6.17.09 @ 11:41AM
Speaking just about the analogy you use.
You say that "my neighbor who is inviting in the killer", which is true. However the neighbor is inviting the "killer" in to kill the neighbor's child.
You wrote about saving the neighbor's life, when it would be saving the life of the neighbor's child.
Brian Kirk| 6.17.09 @ 3:07PM
Jill: This interview of Diane Elder by Anderson Cooper is profound.
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew-balan/2009/06/03/cnns-cooper-spotlights-woman-who-decided-against-late-term-abortion
Johnno| 6.17.09 @ 5:54PM
Tiller's assassin is a killer and so was Tiller. Both men will answer for their misdeeds.
W. James Antle III| 6.17.09 @ 6:39PM
Jill is absolutely right that many late-term abortions involve hard-cases, scenarios where women who wanted their children find themselves in heartbreaking circumstances. Unfortunately, late-term abortions also involve the destruction of highly developed unborn children, which is why so few doctors perform them and even many supporters of legal abortion oppose them.
As for Sean's comment, I'm not suggesting that you have to be related to someone to save their life. But Tiller's murderer wasn't acting in self-defense or in defense of his family. He wasn't exercising civil authority as part of the government. And he wasn't engaging in an act of revolution against an illegitimate government that was performing or coercing abortions.
So before Tiller's murderer can claim to have used lethal violence as a "Good Samaritan," we have to ask whose lives did he save. Since the women seeking Tiller's services can go to another abortionist or use an abortifiacient, we cannot know to a moral certainty that any lives were saved. Even if we assume that all the abortions Tiller was to have performed will never occur -- since Tiller did commit late-term abortions that are not performed by many others -- if the act of violence helps reinforce a culture where 1 million abortions occur a year, then it still promoted greater evil than it solved.
Sean continues, "If the motive of the killing is to help stop the murder of innocent victims then the act is moral. " But the motive of many women who seek late-term abortions is to avoid pain and suffering for their children, who as Jill notes above may have abnormalities incompatible with their long-term survival. That, along with helping women, may have been Tiller's motive for performing late-term abortions. Does that make the reality of those acts moral? Then the actions of Tiller's murderer cannot be judged solely by motives.
Finally, WJ writes that abortion is analogous to intervening to save my neighbor's children, not my neighbor. But in the case of the home invader, I know to a moral certainty that I have saved my neighbor's child. I do not know this with abortion. And is WJ prepared to do lethal violence to his neighbor to save his neighbor's children?
The point of being pro-life is to reduce the incidence of killing and death by placing further restrictions on the ability of private individuals to decide which of their neighbors will live and die. It is not to come up with more loopholes to justify killing. Many people in our society sincerely believe they are doing the right thing by procuring or performing abortions. A "pro-life" position that claims the right to take the lives of so many of our countrymen is unworthy of the name.
Sean| 6.17.09 @ 11:59PM
I believe Jill is actually wrong on the reasons for most late term abortions.
http://www.nrlc.org/ABORTION/pba/pbafact9.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Late-term_abortion
We can judge whether Tiller's killer was committing a moral act or immoral one based on his motives. If he killed Tiller to steal his wallet then the killing would be murder and immoral.
Tiller's motives I think are immaterial. There seems to be ample evidence that his goals weren't altruistic and even if so the evidence points to destruction of innocent life. There also was no evidence that he would stop without force being used. This is sort of like claiming a Nazi doctor doing medical experiments on what he believes to be subhumans is innocent because he believes he did no wrong and it was legal. Killing that doctor would be considered a moral act even if someone was waiting in the wings to pick up were the former doctor left off. To be a Good Samaritan you don't have to succeed in all your goals.
I think abortion in the USA and the killing of Tiller is a study of human behavior. It shows what most people value including those that are pro life, which is rule of law compared to lawlessness. Even if that law protects immoral behavior.
Angel| 6.18.09 @ 1:24AM
Jill, Tiller performed more than 60,000 late term abortions in his 35 year medical career. He charged $5000-$6000 per abortion which earned him more than $300,000,000--that's nearly 1/3 of a billion dollars. I don't know how noble Tiller was but he died an extremely wealthy man.
It has been documented that many of Tiller's late term abortions in which the babies were 8-8 1/2 months gestation were done for trivial reasons such as panic attacks or depression in the mother. Many were not 'hard' cases at all.
So, Jill, how dare you turn your head and ignore the savage killing of perfectly healthy, viable babies who were torn from their mothers' wombs for trivial reasons. Shame on you for trying to obfuscate the horror that Tiller caused these innocent angels.
The murder of Doctor Tiller was wrong, but I'll never shed tears on the monster's behalf.
choice joyce| 6.18.09 @ 1:44PM
I think some of the comments on this article typify the "pro-life" attitude that excuses the murder of Dr. Tiller and supports his murderer because of what Dr. Tiller was perceived to have done wrong. "Mainstream" anti-abortion groups can publicly denounce the murder all they want, but it's very clear that a large percentage of their rank and file "pro-life" members - probably most of them - support the murder or at least are happy that Dr. Tiller is dead and think he deserved his fate.
This means the difference between so-called "peaceful pro-lifers" and violent pro-lifers is just a matter of degree. They are all bound by the belief that abortion is murder - some just believe it more than others and decide to act on it, knowing they'll be honored as martyrs by certain parts of the "pro-life" movement.
The anti-choice movement is fundamentally anti-life, because they really don't give a damn what will happen to women who desperately need Dr. Tiller's services. Or to the half a million women who die every year due to preventable pregnancy problems, including unsafe abortion. They are willing to knowingly sacrifice ALL those women (and often their babies too), rather than ensure that governments in developing countries provide basic reproductive health services to women, simply because they mistakenly think "reproductive health services" is a code phrase for abortion.
Note to Sean: Jill is NOT wrong, she's talking about 3rd trimester abortions, and the links you cite are talking mostly about 2nd trimester abortions.
Angel| 6.18.09 @ 5:48PM
Choice--you pro-aborts lie, lie and lie some more. No one believes your phony statistics--you'll say anything to keep the money rolling in your direction. You'll rip and tear any healthy, live baby from its mother's womb, anytime of the day or night as long as you can pocket that cash. It's all about money with you pro aborts because you sure don't care about women.
You protect Planned Parenthood when they botch abortions and young girls die due to incompetence or dirty clinic conditions. You encourage underage girls to have abortions even if they could be victims of rape. You lie and skirt the law all of the time.
Sorry, as a pro lifer I won't let you define me by the actions of a single killer, and I won't let your veiled threats keep me from speaking out. Over 70% of Americans think late-term abortion is WRONG! Wrap your demented brain around that, Choice. Over 50% of Americans consider themselves PRO-LIFE! You pro abort fanatics are shrinking in numbers--that's the reason for your shrill rhetoric and lies.
You'll never shut me up, Choice. I'll never stop reminding people that babies in the womb are our precious Angels who deserve all of the love and compassion we can muster. How can we hurt these innocent children? They are OUR children.
Abortion is a deep red stain on our country and all of our lives have been degraded by its barbarity. God forgive us for this most heinous sin.
W. James Antle III| 6.21.09 @ 3:49PM
Sean is trying to have it both ways here:
"Tiller's motives I think are immaterial."
He wants to justify the actions of Tiller's murderer based on intentions and motives, but judge others only by their actions. Except he also wants to argue about Tiller's motives. This makes no sense. In fact, motive, the action itself, and the consequences are all necessary to determine whether an act is moral.
"This is sort of like claiming a Nazi doctor doing medical experiments on what he believes to be subhumans is innocent because he believes he did no wrong and it was legal."
But I am not the one arguing that sincerely held beliefs entitle us to kill people. A Nazi doctor who so believed would not be innocent. Tiller was not innocent. Tiller's murderer is not innocent. Whether they can justifiably be killed, under what circumstances, and by what authority are separate questions.
"Killing that doctor would be considered a moral act even if someone was waiting in the wings to pick up were the former doctor left off."
Yes, if we are talking about a new, legitimate government coming in and executing the Nazi doctor for his crimes. Not necessarily if we are talking about a private individual acting as judge, jury, and executioner on his own.
"To be a Good Samaritan you don't have to succeed in all your goals. "
That's because in most cases the Good Samaritan's work doesn't involve killing. When it does, yes you have to have a reasonable chance of succeeding at your goals. You are not a Good Samaritan if killing is your only goal, even if the person being killed is in some sense guilty. A Good Samaritan's goal must be to actually save a life.
I'm responding to Sean's posts because they are dangerous, they ignore crucial moral distinctions (such as between combatants and noncombatants), and they are damaging to the pro-life movement. A successful pro-life movement will convince parents of their duty to their unborn children and just governments of their duty to give unborn children legal protection. That's an infinitely more pro-life approach than giving private citizens more power to decide which of their countrymen will live or die.
Angel| 6.22.09 @ 5:07AM
Every "REAL" pro-lifer knows that the murder of Dr. Tiller was wrong. All life must be defended.
But I also believe it's unfair to blame the pro life movement for the moral equivocation of some.