There's a tendency of conservatives to carelessly toss about the
"S" word. Like John McCain, who opposed the Bush tax cuts
while spouting left-wing rhetoric, then accusing Barack Obama of
being a socialist because the latter proposed to increase taxes
on the rich. It was bad liberal
redistributionist policy, but McCain--for every bail-out as
well as cap-and-trade--was in no position to call his opponent a
socialist for advocating the same dumb liberal redistributionist
policies.
However, as the Washington Examiner pointed out last
week (and
the Washington Times mentioned today), Carol Browner
really is a socialist. Or at least, she belonged to the
Commission for a Sustainable World Society, which is part of the
Socialist International. Granted, these are pretty wimpy
socialists, rather than serious guys with guns intent on seizing
everyone's property. But still.
Reports the Examiner:
Conservatives are often accused of scaremongering when they
claim left-wing environmentalists are actually socialists
hiding behind green disguises. But with Carol Browner, incoming
President Barack Obama's freshly appointed Assistant to the
President for Energy and Climate Change - the so-called White
House "Climate Czar" - there is no question about the
socialism. Browner is a member of the Commission for a
Sustainable World Society (CSWS), which is a formal organ of
the Socialist International. Oddly enough, the group's web site
was recently scrubbed to remove Browner's picture and
biography, but her name is still listed next to the
photo-biographies of her 14 colleagues on the commission. The
Socialist International is no group of woolly-headed idealists.
It is an influential assembly of officials from across the
international community whose official Statement of Principles
describes an agenda of gaining and exercising government power
based on socialist concepts.
Browner's CSWS is similarly open about the economic costs it is
willing to impose, across national borders to achieve its
environmental utopia. On Sept. 5-6, 2008, the commission noted
that the costs of its proposals would "rang[e] in the hundreds
of billions of dollars over the next two decades," and it
called for a "redesign of the international rules on
intellectual property." That is international bureaucratese for
compelling an inventor to surrender property rights in order to
"share" technologies with less-developed countries.
At the Congress of the Socialist International held last June
30-July2, the CSWS officially resolved that "market solutions
alone are insufficient and will not provide the financial
support and resources necessary to achieve the required
combination of deep emission reduction, adaptation to already
changing climate conditions, energy security and equitable and
environmentally sound economic development." Again, that's
bureaucratese. It means that international taxes should be
imposed to provide the "resources necessary" to impose what the
CSWS repeatedly refers to as a ‘regime" against "global
warming." By appointing Browner to a White House post,
Obama has at the least implicitly endorsed an utterly radical
socialist agenda for his administration's environmental policy.
The incoming chief executive thus strengthens critics who
contend environmental policies aren't really about protecting
endangered species or preserving virgin lands, but rather
expanding government power and limiting individual freedom.
The best part is that Browner obviously is embarrassed by the
connection, since someone has engaged in a bit of Stalinist
air-brushing of history by eliminating her picture and bio from
the socialist website.
Alas, she's headed to the White House--ironically, to be "Czar"
of the Climate. (Didn't socialists revolt against the last
real Czar?). That means there will be no Senate
confirmation process, with an opportunity ask appropriate
questions.
It is no surprise that socialist ideas are held by the leaders of
the environmental organizations that will end-up being the big
winners of the presidential election, Click Link: Where
Politicians Get Their Bad Environmental Ideas
Jeremiah| 1.12.09 @ 8:18PM
KS --
While Sarah Palin was good enough to remind us all that Obama was
a terrorist, it's not true he was ever a socialist.
Of course, these Democrats are all the same -- socialists at
heart. I think someone did a study and found that 25% of troops
serving over seas identify themselves as Democrats. They're
socialists, too, unlike brave conservatives who sit back at home
and listen to right wing radio as a way of serving their country.
I hope Obama is a socialist so we can finally get around to our
agenda of destroying this country and dragging the free world
into a nightmarish prison-house of oppression and gloom.
Mao? Stalin? Oh, you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until
Obama Hussein enact is Baathist coup and we're all slaves to a
technocratic dictatorship run by the likes of Whoopie Goldberg,
Dan Rather, and Ward Churchill.
KS, I don't think Obama was ever a card-carrying socialist (any
more than Sarah Palin was ever a card-carrying member of the
Alaska Independence Party), but Obama did garner the endorsement
of the American Socialist Party, if memory serves. I could be
wrong, I haven't time right now to look it up.
Interloper| 1.12.09 @ 9:12PM
Duh! As I said on the other thread milking this non-issue, the
organization is actually mainstream. It has British
participation, as well as American.
The Commission brings together leading personalities, among them
serving and former heads of state and government ministers from
different continents, to set out recommendations to tackle these
fundamental issues.
Ricardo Lagos, former President of the Republic of Chile and a
Special Envoy of the United Nations Secretary-General on Climate
Change, and Göran Persson, former Prime Minister of Sweden, have
been appointed Co-Chairs of the Commission, and other members
are: Hilary Benn, Secretary of State for the Environment, Food
and Rural Affairs, United Kingdom; Carol M. Browner,
Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection
Agency under President Bill Clinton;
Simon| 1.12.09 @ 10:21PM
Dear Interloper,
You make the sad point, but ignore it: "the organization is
actually mainstream." In other words, Socialism is now mainstream
(Winston Churchill stated that the vice of Capitalism is the
unequal sharing of blessings while the virtue of Socialism is the
equal sharing of misery. You are one of many poorly informed
people.
Simon| 1.12.09 @ 10:29PM
Interloper: By your logic, if slavery is/was mainstream, then
slavery is/was a "non-issue." Why would anything "mainstream"
automatically be a "non-issue?" Hitler's policies were
mainstream, you . . . . You might want to reconsider your
position (educate yourself).
Interloper| 1.12.09 @ 11:34PM
Simon, my point is that this is sophistry. Participation is this
organization is not about being radical at all. The people who
feed y'all all this alarmist B.S. treat folks as if they are too
foolish to know what the normal political spectrum is. This blog
entry is much ado about nothing and will prove as meaningless as
most of the 'red meat' tossed to the snarling lackeys around
here.
Since the country is already struggling with socialist policies
enacted during the last New Deal (Social Security) and also
struggling with socialist policies enacted during LBJ's term
(Medicare) and no one really knows what Mr. Obama's plans are,
but we know he tends socialist, why wouldn't a rational human
being be concerned about his appointment of Browner. She's
someone who is a member of an organization that is in favor of
"compelling an inventor to surrender property rights in order to
'share' technologies with less-developed countries. " That's
about as socialist as one can get. And she's going to be advising
our president who wants to "spread the wealth around." Also about
as socialist as one can get. If it walks like a duck...
And just because y'all call us names doesn't mean we're going to
shut up.
Interloper, if this post is so meaningless, why are you spending
so much time trying to prove to use that it's meaningless?
If it really wasn't a threat to your sainted Obamamessiah, why
not just let us poor neanderthals wallow in our ignorance?
In short, your actions belie your words.
Have a nice day.
KS| 1.13.09 @ 9:46AM
Jeremiah, Governor Palin merely pointed out the relationship
between Obama and Bill Ayers. She never called Obama a terrorist.
stmichrick| 1.13.09 @ 10:02AM
Socialism in the Obama Administration?
Say it ain't so.
My fantasy is that with all this 'Change' in the air, history may
be taught in the public schools once more. There might even be
discussion of failed states.
I'll keep dreamin'.
Thomas| 1.13.09 @ 10:57AM
I said this before, but as I am feeling lazy and am overwhelmed
by the fact that we seem to have nothing better to do than beat a
dead horse: Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Jeremiah| 1.13.09 @ 12:08PM
Conservatives --
When children say "I'm starving" when they mean "I'm hungry" or
"I want a Twinkie," adults sometimes are known to offer an
edifying reminder that there are people starving in the world,
and that they are blessed not to be starving or even hungry. (I
assume conservatives and liberals are in agreement on this.)
Well, you people sound like these same children.
Socialism? Communism?
Give me a break. Republicans have controlled the agenda in
Washington for 6 of the last 8 years, and had enough power to
defeat any Democratic measure for the last two. They've run the
show.
Sure, they socialized the pain felt by the very wealthy. That's
what Republicans see as their primary function in life. But
there's no real "socialism" in America -- and there's not going
to be.
Interloper| 1.13.09 @ 2:53PM
"...there's no real "socialism" in America -- and there's not
going to be."
Precisely!
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 1:16AM
Well knock me down! Obama's got a socialist in his cabinet.
Precisely!
Socialism "(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in
the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the
imperfect implementation of collectivist principles." Sounds
pretty straightforward to me. Transition, change... sounds pretty
similar.
Chuck| 1.14.09 @ 2:32PM
Mentored by Frank Marshall Davis
Community organizer of the Saul Alinsky method
Enjoys the Company of:
Tony Rezko (Crook)
William Ares (Terrorist)
Rod Blagojevich (Criminal)
And now this. Wow he’s batting 1000.
Who's he going to pick next?
Carol Browner, I was thinking about turning on my air. I thought
you may want to come turn it on for me? I guess Americans are too
stupid to be in charge of their own thermostat. We DON'T NEED THE
GOVERNMENT CONTROLING OUR LIVES. You left wing idiot nut jobs. I
am just waiting for 2010 I know you are all going to be tossed
out on your stupid asses.
Wue| 3.18.09 @ 2:27AM
I'm no socialist, but I have about had it with the
neo-conservatives and others who think this country should be run
by and for the moneyed elite. ESPECIALLY the ones who profess to
be Christians.
We now have a president who is trying to pull this country out of
a fincial hole, and because some of the programs that will put
money back into the system first goes to poor people, oh! my God!
we are becoming a communist state. Get real, people. We are all
in this together. Help your neighbor and you will help us all.
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…I guess I can add that to my list of titles granted by name calling liberals. The Diversity czar, Mark Lloyd, a proclaimed anti-capitalist, speaks favorably about the incredible Venezuelan revolution. Carol Browner, the Energy and Environmental czar, has been a member of known socialist groups. There are only twenty-eight others to check out. I will continue to do so. I wish I could feel better by saying “I…
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Rusty| 9.9.09 @ 3:39AM
Being that the Union Education Dept in this country has
purposefully failed to educate our children, it would be
surprising if anyone under 40 might recall the Russian Revolution
of 1917.
The 'takeover' of Russia was implemented by telling the 'people'
that the Rich were EVIL. The irony was that after a successful
INDOCTRINATION, the 'plebes' or common people, did indeed murder
or otherwise dispose of all of the "wealthy" ones. Sad thing,
though, in doing so, they KILLED all of the PRODUCTIVE members of
their Society, and had at least 3 DECADES OF STARVATION as the
majority of those killed were the Farmers, manufacturers and
producers. Go ahead you Obamanuts, SPREAD the WEALTH. Kill us
all. (PS...Try reading up on your history)..
Mike Hamilton| 9.9.09 @ 8:58AM
By the way Obama was a member of the New Party from 92 or 94 to
about 1998 which was a Communist Party but was was forced to
disban in 1998.
Grandmagrace| 9.10.09 @ 2:52PM
Jeremiah
No socialism in America?
Get real.
Social security and
Medicare, medicaide
ARE SOCIALISM! and failing!
If we are to protect are country from futher socialism we have to
call it like it is. Otherwise we are blind to what others are
trying oppose on us!
I do not believe that this great country should push aside all
the liberties that make this the greatest country in the world
just so we can look like all the other social democracy in the
world! We have always been better than that!
WAKE UP AMERICA!
Grandmagrace| 9.10.09 @ 2:54PM
Rusty,
You tell it like it is! Good work!
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…who she is and what organizations she associates with, even though the left has done everything in their power to scrub her associations from the internet. Though the left has taken steps and deleted her involvement with Socialist International and their Commission for a Sustainable World Society on Wikipedia, other that to say: “She left all of these boards in late 2008 when she was named to serve in the…
…who she is and what organizations she associates with, even though the left has done everything in their power to scrub her associations from the internet. Though the left has taken steps and deleted her involvement with Socialist International and their Commission for a Sustainable World Society on Wikipedia, other that to say: “She left all of these boards in late 2008 when she was named to serve in the…
…Carol Browner? Posted on November 27, 2009 by darlajune . Carol Browner was covered in an August post on my blog Discussion of Issue s In that article I reference a January 2009 article from American Spectator Doug Bandow: An excerpt: Conservatives are often accused of scaremongering when they claim left-wing environmentalists are actually socialists hiding behind green disguises. But with Carol Browner, incoming…
…Stowarzyszenia”- orgánu Międzynarodówki Socjalistycznej. Kopia CSWS strony internetowej z pierwszych dni 2009-http: / / 24ahead.com/images/si-csws-cache-as-of-011009.jpg http://spectator.org/blog/2009/01/12/carol-browner-a-socialist http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/12/obama-climate-czar-has-s … W pierwszych dniach stycznia 2009 r. – Browner nazwisko zostało wykreślone ze strony…
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KS| 1.12.09 @ 7:16PM
I thought that Obama once belonged to the socialist New Party. Is that incorrect?
Steve Lee| 1.12.09 @ 7:45PM
It is no surprise that socialist ideas are held by the leaders of the environmental organizations that will end-up being the big winners of the presidential election, Click Link:
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Jeremiah| 1.12.09 @ 8:18PM
KS --
While Sarah Palin was good enough to remind us all that Obama was a terrorist, it's not true he was ever a socialist.
Of course, these Democrats are all the same -- socialists at heart. I think someone did a study and found that 25% of troops serving over seas identify themselves as Democrats. They're socialists, too, unlike brave conservatives who sit back at home and listen to right wing radio as a way of serving their country.
I hope Obama is a socialist so we can finally get around to our agenda of destroying this country and dragging the free world into a nightmarish prison-house of oppression and gloom.
Mao? Stalin? Oh, you haven't seen anything yet. Just wait until Obama Hussein enact is Baathist coup and we're all slaves to a technocratic dictatorship run by the likes of Whoopie Goldberg, Dan Rather, and Ward Churchill.
Vive la revolution!
ConservativeWanderer| 1.12.09 @ 8:43PM
KS, I don't think Obama was ever a card-carrying socialist (any more than Sarah Palin was ever a card-carrying member of the Alaska Independence Party), but Obama did garner the endorsement of the American Socialist Party, if memory serves. I could be wrong, I haven't time right now to look it up.
Interloper| 1.12.09 @ 9:12PM
Duh! As I said on the other thread milking this non-issue, the organization is actually mainstream. It has British participation, as well as American.
Dandapani| 1.12.09 @ 9:40PM
The Internet Wayback Machine finds:
http://web.archive.org/web/20080212060043/www.socialistinternational.org/6SWSCommission/19Nov07/Pressrelease-e.html
QUOTE:
The Commission brings together leading personalities, among them serving and former heads of state and government ministers from different continents, to set out recommendations to tackle these fundamental issues.
Ricardo Lagos, former President of the Republic of Chile and a Special Envoy of the United Nations Secretary-General on Climate Change, and Göran Persson, former Prime Minister of Sweden, have been appointed Co-Chairs of the Commission, and other members are: Hilary Benn, Secretary of State for the Environment, Food and Rural Affairs, United Kingdom; Carol M. Browner, Administrator of the United States Environmental Protection Agency under President Bill Clinton;
Simon| 1.12.09 @ 10:21PM
Dear Interloper,
You make the sad point, but ignore it: "the organization is actually mainstream." In other words, Socialism is now mainstream (Winston Churchill stated that the vice of Capitalism is the unequal sharing of blessings while the virtue of Socialism is the equal sharing of misery. You are one of many poorly informed people.
Simon| 1.12.09 @ 10:29PM
Interloper: By your logic, if slavery is/was mainstream, then slavery is/was a "non-issue." Why would anything "mainstream" automatically be a "non-issue?" Hitler's policies were mainstream, you . . . . You might want to reconsider your position (educate yourself).
Interloper| 1.12.09 @ 11:34PM
Simon, my point is that this is sophistry. Participation is this organization is not about being radical at all. The people who feed y'all all this alarmist B.S. treat folks as if they are too foolish to know what the normal political spectrum is. This blog entry is much ado about nothing and will prove as meaningless as most of the 'red meat' tossed to the snarling lackeys around here.
Deborah| 1.13.09 @ 4:33AM
Since the country is already struggling with socialist policies enacted during the last New Deal (Social Security) and also struggling with socialist policies enacted during LBJ's term (Medicare) and no one really knows what Mr. Obama's plans are, but we know he tends socialist, why wouldn't a rational human being be concerned about his appointment of Browner. She's someone who is a member of an organization that is in favor of "compelling an inventor to surrender property rights in order to 'share' technologies with less-developed countries. " That's about as socialist as one can get. And she's going to be advising our president who wants to "spread the wealth around." Also about as socialist as one can get. If it walks like a duck...
And just because y'all call us names doesn't mean we're going to shut up.
ConservativeWanderer| 1.13.09 @ 8:27AM
Interloper, if this post is so meaningless, why are you spending so much time trying to prove to use that it's meaningless?
If it really wasn't a threat to your sainted Obamamessiah, why not just let us poor neanderthals wallow in our ignorance?
In short, your actions belie your words.
Have a nice day.
KS| 1.13.09 @ 9:46AM
Jeremiah, Governor Palin merely pointed out the relationship between Obama and Bill Ayers. She never called Obama a terrorist.
stmichrick| 1.13.09 @ 10:02AM
Socialism in the Obama Administration?
Say it ain't so.
My fantasy is that with all this 'Change' in the air, history may be taught in the public schools once more. There might even be discussion of failed states.
I'll keep dreamin'.
Thomas| 1.13.09 @ 10:57AM
I said this before, but as I am feeling lazy and am overwhelmed by the fact that we seem to have nothing better to do than beat a dead horse: Surprise, surprise, surprise.
Jeremiah| 1.13.09 @ 12:08PM
Conservatives --
When children say "I'm starving" when they mean "I'm hungry" or "I want a Twinkie," adults sometimes are known to offer an edifying reminder that there are people starving in the world, and that they are blessed not to be starving or even hungry. (I assume conservatives and liberals are in agreement on this.)
Well, you people sound like these same children.
Socialism? Communism?
Give me a break. Republicans have controlled the agenda in Washington for 6 of the last 8 years, and had enough power to defeat any Democratic measure for the last two. They've run the show.
Sure, they socialized the pain felt by the very wealthy. That's what Republicans see as their primary function in life. But there's no real "socialism" in America -- and there's not going to be.
Interloper| 1.13.09 @ 2:53PM
"...there's no real "socialism" in America -- and there's not going to be."
Precisely!
ruth| 1.14.09 @ 1:16AM
Well knock me down! Obama's got a socialist in his cabinet. Precisely!
Deborah| 1.14.09 @ 4:42AM
Socialism "(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles." Sounds pretty straightforward to me. Transition, change... sounds pretty similar.
Chuck| 1.14.09 @ 2:32PM
Mentored by Frank Marshall Davis
Community organizer of the Saul Alinsky method
Enjoys the Company of:
Tony Rezko (Crook)
William Ares (Terrorist)
Rod Blagojevich (Criminal)
And now this. Wow he’s batting 1000.
Who's he going to pick next?
Alan Cheetham| 1.14.09 @ 6:45PM
See also this article on Carol Browner at www.appinsys.com/GlobalWarming/Browner.htm
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Carol Browner, I was thinking about turning on my air. I thought you may want to come turn it on for me? I guess Americans are too stupid to be in charge of their own thermostat. We DON'T NEED THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLING OUR LIVES. You left wing idiot nut jobs. I am just waiting for 2010 I know you are all going to be tossed out on your stupid asses.
Wue| 3.18.09 @ 2:27AM
I'm no socialist, but I have about had it with the neo-conservatives and others who think this country should be run by and for the moneyed elite. ESPECIALLY the ones who profess to be Christians.
We now have a president who is trying to pull this country out of a fincial hole, and because some of the programs that will put money back into the system first goes to poor people, oh! my God! we are becoming a communist state. Get real, people. We are all in this together. Help your neighbor and you will help us all.
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Rusty| 9.9.09 @ 3:39AM
Being that the Union Education Dept in this country has purposefully failed to educate our children, it would be surprising if anyone under 40 might recall the Russian Revolution of 1917.
The 'takeover' of Russia was implemented by telling the 'people' that the Rich were EVIL. The irony was that after a successful INDOCTRINATION, the 'plebes' or common people, did indeed murder or otherwise dispose of all of the "wealthy" ones. Sad thing, though, in doing so, they KILLED all of the PRODUCTIVE members of their Society, and had at least 3 DECADES OF STARVATION as the majority of those killed were the Farmers, manufacturers and producers. Go ahead you Obamanuts, SPREAD the WEALTH. Kill us all. (PS...Try reading up on your history)..
Mike Hamilton| 9.9.09 @ 8:58AM
By the way Obama was a member of the New Party from 92 or 94 to about 1998 which was a Communist Party but was was forced to disban in 1998.
Grandmagrace| 9.10.09 @ 2:52PM
Jeremiah
No socialism in America?
Get real.
Social security and
Medicare, medicaide
ARE SOCIALISM! and failing!
If we are to protect are country from futher socialism we have to call it like it is. Otherwise we are blind to what others are trying oppose on us!
I do not believe that this great country should push aside all the liberties that make this the greatest country in the world just so we can look like all the other social democracy in the world! We have always been better than that!
WAKE UP AMERICA!
Grandmagrace| 9.10.09 @ 2:54PM
Rusty,
You tell it like it is! Good work!
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