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Appleby| 12.21.09 @ 6:20AM

Message to Ben Nelson: Be Not Deceived. God Is Not Mocked.

Or have you forgotten what happened to the last peson who took the 30 pieces of silver? I bet God remembers ...

john| 12.22.09 @ 10:41AM

Do liberals not realize that if you do not have a vibrant economy, you cannot have enough "wealth" to tax and fund the federal gov't and its programs. Indeed, the untenable debt will lead to a drastic reduction of gov't and bureaucracy----which probably is a good thing as the first to go will be Dept. of Education, Dept. of Energy, HUD, etc. etc.....and it will be cut when there is no more funds left to fund them.....idiots.

MTB| 12.23.09 @ 4:02PM

John, it's not that they don't realize, it's that they don't care. Liberals live for the moment and then lie about the past. For example, when asked if Democrats shared in the responsibility for the economic meltdown, Nancy Pelousy simply said, "No!" and walked on. John Kerry voted against it before he voted for it. They will not be held to their words or their records. They are making history, and they do not care what the outcome is, who or how much it hurts the American people, as long as they get their place in the history books. Shame on them.

drudge ette obama| 12.21.09 @ 6:29AM

It is pretty cold in Nebraska, Ben Nelson, but I bet you feel the heat. What will your fallback career be?

S. Wilson| 12.21.09 @ 10:25AM

Lobbyist not doubt. They take care of their own.

Stephanie| 12.21.09 @ 6:57AM

I think I'm gonna vomit. I really thought there would be SOMEONE there who could stop this.
BACKLASH IN 2010! OUST THE BASTARDS!

MTB| 12.23.09 @ 4:08PM

Sadly, Stephanie, the American people could have and should have stopped it in November of 2008 . . . at the polls. The American electorate was hoodwinked, lied to, bamboozled. Rush Limbaugh once said, during the 2000 Clinton campaign, paraphrasing, "If someone offers you the moon, you'd better make sure he can deliver it." Dems lied to get in office, they promised the moon. We all know they can't make good on their promises. God Bless what used to be the United States of America.

Melvin| 12.21.09 @ 7:47AM

I go back to my original question. What are we going to do? Are we going to flap our gums, or are we going to do something of substance.
Health Care is going to pass alright. The Democrats will tout how all of them had join hands and trudge through two feet in blizzard conditions to pass this Health Care takeover on Christmas Eve.
Are we going to make our governors and legislators invoke states rights, or are we going to conduct a general strike to cut of the flow of money to the Federal siphon?
As much as I love states to invoke their individual rights, it is a forgone idea in North Carolina because we have Beverly Perdue who has sold her proverbial soul to the federal devil.
You see Beverly Perdue is the prodigiy of former corrupt Gov. Mike Easley who is currently under federal investigation of corruption.Mike Easley presided over one of the most corrupt administrations in NC history.
Old Bev herself is under investigation for using NC government aircraft in her bid for governor. Not even a year in office and this Democrat is under investigation.
We got to do something people, we just can't role over and give in without so much as a whimper.
I'm beginning to think Americans just don't have it in em anymore, might as well just become part of the European Union and call it a day.

JP| 12.21.09 @ 9:35AM

Melvin,
This is how government works in a represenative democracy. The Dems will not allow even the chance of them losing in next year's mid-terms to get in thier way. They calculate that the voters will either:

a)Love the new entitlements once they're implemented.

b)Are too distracted to even care.

c)And even if the majority of voters rebel next year, there will not be enough political will to repeal ObamaCare (a good possibility if one considers who runs the GOP). The Senate will always compromise to the benedit of the ruling class in DC no matter which party runs things.

But, as things stand, not even calls to you senators (if he/she is a Dem) or represenative (if he/she is a Dem) will change thier minds. This is the first time that I can't recall that one party was so closed off from thier constituents that they wold sign thier own political death warrants.

Melvin| 12.21.09 @ 10:40AM

Nancy Pelosi summed it up perfectly by her acknowledged that the Democrats could very well lose the Senate and the House. But when they regain control, the Health Care will still be there silently chugging alone awaiting for they're return.

Ken in People's Republic of MD| 12.21.09 @ 11:06AM

Pelosi's comments remind me of Major Strasser. While trying to determine Captain Renault's sympathies, the Major asks the Captain what would happen if the prevailing winds should change from Vichy. Renault's response: "Surely the Reich doesn't admit that possibility."

I can't believe someone as arrogant, clueless and intellectually devoid as Pelosi would actually admit the possibility of a Republican resurgence. Maybe, in her heart of hearts, she knows this legislation will doom America. Maybe she's a closet conservative. Maybe she's just a loon. Whatever she is, I think it speaks volumes that she's not thinking in terms of a thousand years.

Emcey| 12.21.09 @ 10:53PM

She's as sly as a fox.

She knows that by next November this will be old news (and the higher taxes that start in 2010 won't show up on anyone's returns until 2011.) By setting the bar high (the expectation that the GOP will gain the requisite 40 seats to regain control) she can call anything less than that a victory. For example, if Republicans gain 30 seats (the same number as Democrats gained in what was called a smashing victory in 2006) she can look back and say 'but they were supposed to retake control, so since they didn't it shows that the American people like the job we've been doing and kept us in power.'

Don't underestimate your opponent. Liberal, Pelosi is. Socialist, Pelosi is. Stupid, Pelosi is not.

Anthony| 12.23.09 @ 5:19AM

Pelosi, Reid & Obama are not worried about 2010.
Wky? One word - ACORN!

Len| 12.21.09 @ 11:34AM

"representative democracy"? Where is that? That is certainly not the current government which only passes law based on the furtherance of power, not representing the people or states they supposedly represent.
It is also not what we would have if the US constitution was actually being enacted, rather than ignored. Speaking of which, if it was promising specific deals to Senators like Nelson or reps like Landrieu would be violations of the general welfare clause, which was placed as a limiting clause to ensure that no state or group of states would receive particular benefits that other ones did not.

JimE| 12.21.09 @ 5:52PM

You are correct, the dems will get health care, cap and trade and won't lose a house or senate seat. The right is too weak and afraid of the left. Time after time the right has been handed gifts (climategate, etc) to exploit but they don't for fear of offending them left.
99.5 % of conservatives are too lazy to even write their elected officals or take any action at all. The left will win and the sheepl will follow the magic negro.

Stephanie| 12.21.09 @ 7:19PM

Speak for your self JimE. I know many many conservatives who call, write, email and fax their reps and senators DAILY. Please don't lump us all in one package. Have you been calling yours?

Roy| 12.21.09 @ 6:34PM

You are right. Expect that once this monstrosity passes the state-run media will begin a growing crescendo, singing the praises of Obama and nationalized healthcare that will run for at least a month to convince unbelievers of the greatness of both. BO's approval ratings will naturally rise and then it will be off to climate change. Bank on it.

Frank| 12.21.09 @ 4:38PM

Maybe we should all stop paying our Fed. Tax's

Beth| 12.21.09 @ 9:00PM

It is the frog in the pot syndrome. I feel that we the people for the people who oppose this action should visually make a statement. I believe we should choose a day if this passes, to mourn the death of our constitution and all wear black. When it comes time for Senators to be elected this fall we should done our black outfits on once more, and carry a sign with the names of the Senators who betrayed our constitution.

Road Kill| 12.21.09 @ 8:27AM

"This is the beginning of health care reform."

Hotdawg!! All you entitlement monkeys git on board the health care train! More entitlements, and more monkey are coming to your area!! The Senate majority can't do what they're doing in the daylight. They must do it in the dead of night when nothing good ever happens as is befitting their character.

Don't worry Melvin, the whimpering will start as soon as the paychecks have less take home figures, in fact, it will turn into screaming. From what I've seen old Bev is a clone of former NC Gov "Big" Ease, so yep, NC will roll over, sit, and beg for Federal handouts.

As far as doing something? It is time to turn up the volume, get more active in the election process, and be prepare to do what you gotta do. Better to meet the fates standing up than to kneel as slave before a master.

MTB| 12.23.09 @ 4:17PM

And don't forget the weekends, Road Kill. They also wait until the weekends when people are out and about and busy with life and not paying attention to what our so-called elected leaders are doing in the dark of night, under cover. Also, the people will start screaming about their health care when they can't get an appointment or are refused treatment because the law says they don't need an x-ray, MRI, shot, whatever.

Lazy Jack| 12.21.09 @ 9:47AM

Been overseas two weeks, so apologies for my absence. Upon returning I was greeted with the news that our legislators have stopped pretending to be conflicted about consigning the U.S. citizenry to a lifetime obligation to the state in the form of a healthcare indenture. After looking at the CBO score last night and the text of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, I am left with a feeling of shock and awe. The funniest part is the CBO score relates to effects on the deficit. It seems like Ashton Kutcher was hired to write the economic analysis.

Is it coincidence that the amount of ‘deficit reduction’ is virtually the same amount as the expected revenue from the excise tax on premium health plans? The CBO projects a declining revenue stream even from this bit of confiscation in later years. I would suspect that there will be zero revenue from this tax as employers and individuals eliminate these programs to avoid the 40% tax on amounts over the limit. In other words, this revenue assumption smells like bad fish. How do you think the rest of the assumptions stack up? Also, the tax is applied to benefits over the limit. Can anyone smarter than I tell me what exactly is the definition of benefit? Is it the premium amount, or the amount paid to healthcare providers on your behalf? The language is vague enough that a good IRS agent could start taxing you if you spend more than the limit. There is a reference to IRS code chapter 43, but I did not have time to wade through that quagmire.
In any case, it is good to be back; even if our constitution was torched in my absence.
Lazy Jack

www.thanksforthelaughs.wordpress.com

Howard| 12.21.09 @ 9:56AM

I will fight these ungodly bills with all of my strength. But perhaps we should admit that this "bill" represents the will of the American people. After all, they voted for Barack Hussein Obama as their savior. And for the last two elections have voted for Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid to lead them out of the wilderness. We get what we deserve.

Houston Rao| 12.21.09 @ 6:59PM

The will of the people is represented in the Constitution and only in the Constitution. Until an amendment has been added to it granting the government to provide health care to the people, this does not represent the will of the people, the people voted for the President and the current Congress to carry out their Constitutional roles, not make unconstitutional power grabs.

Ben| 12.21.09 @ 10:00AM

I hope you're right, Phil. I hope this is the start of a government takeover of the healthcare industry. (I think you're wrong, by the way. This bill is a massive gift to the healthcare industry, and it should come as no surprise that share prices of AETNA, Cigna and others rose dramatically over the past week. )

But let's say your right, as opposed to just far right wing. It would mean that people would stop being abused by the insurance companies, who would be required to start serving their customers, and not just their shareholders. Don't you find it the least bit odd that the US spends far more per capita than any other country in the world, yet it's infant mortality and various other health measures lag well behind other countries, including Canada and the UK? A recent study conducted at Harvard University found that over 40K people die every year in the US because of lack of health insurance. Medical bills are the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US. If this is the wonderful corporate healthcare industry in action, then we should welcome its demise.

Drew| 12.21.09 @ 5:11PM

Infant mortality rates? I like how liberals only care about infant mortality when it is convenient. Not a word about the monthly abortion premiums that people will be paying when they are forced to buy what the government is selling. What's that going to do for infant mortality rates?

Norm| 12.21.09 @ 5:28PM

Ben, I have to call you on this one. NO ONE in the US dies from lack of health care. They die from lack of going to get health care. Every doctor/hospital in the US has signed on to the Hippocratic oath. They will all help people in need. And, BTW, this only accounts for less than 5% of health care costs. Medicare ($36 TRILLION in unfunded debt) is bankrupting the country. The Social Security Ponzi scheme is bankrupting the country. And, US health care costs over the last 10 years rose at a slower rate than that of almost every OECD country.

Houston Rao| 12.21.09 @ 7:07PM

Ben, please dig into the headlines, what you will find in the details will reveal the lie. The US counts every birth in its mortality rate, the others do not count babies that are below certain weights, or have not been carried to a certain term. Here is a story from the UK where a pre-mature baby, born alive, breathing, was denied care and left to die because it was a few days short of the term where the government would provide care. A similar story for Florida ended in expensive but a live baby who is currently a healthy 3 year old. http://www.mirror.co.uk/life-s.....-21658263/

Oldefarte| 12.21.09 @ 10:31AM

Excellent article [and absolutely true], Philip! In my 63 years on this earth, I've witnessed liberals [mostly during the Kennedy/Johnson terms, ie Great Society] loading up the American taxpayer with, not only Medicare/Medicaid, but every conceivable WELFARE oriented governmental program/policy possibly; and those 1960's programs [and their expense to taxpayers] are annually,etc renewed and continue to be on the federal budget today. American taxpayer-voters must come to the realization/comprehension that they were, are and will be paying for these WELFARIC programs/legislation for their entire lifetime [as will their children and grand children]. Not only is it imperitive that this healthcare,etc legislation be stopped now in its tracks; but also we must begin to elect politicians that pledge to begin dismantling the entire governmental welfare system of this country, if we are to survive as a nation!!!!!

Mike| 12.21.09 @ 10:42AM

I must be getting slow in my old age. All these so called blue dogs that are at big risk of being defeated in their upcoming elections couldn't care less if they lose. I'm sure they all have their lobbying jobs lined up. They'll all make their millions and arguably have more power than they do now.

dhart1949| 12.21.09 @ 11:06AM

When this whole "debate" over healthcare "reform" began, I had no doubt as to the outcome. The Dems have to votes to make it happen and nothing can stop them.

The question becomes, what reaction will the American voter have to their "reform" in the midterms and beyond? Remember that none of this starts to kick in until 2013 (after the next presidential election). It will take a long time to write oh, let's say 75,000 pages of rules and regulations to go along with the bill. At least 115 new agencies and committees need to be created and staffed. I suspect than when the government pays for someone's aspirin under the new bill, it will become hard as concrete.

Then we all wait for the bankruptcy of the United States of America. It will not be long in coming.

2Anglico| 12.21.09 @ 11:10AM

Illegal/unconstitutional laws do not have to be obeyed. This is going to be a LONG fight.

Len| 12.21.09 @ 11:54AM

2Anglico, you are correct, but we do not appear to have enough people in this country who understand such, which means we lack the force to reassert our natural rights. Too many act in as if the government preceded us and we are its subjects, rather than the government being that buffer/agent between men and states in order to have peace and do that which mutually benefits us.

Richard| 12.21.09 @ 11:32AM

I believe what Melvin is trying to say is when will Americans stand up and vote these people out of office or will they still vote the way they always voted. If it's a Dem we will vote them in no matter what and vice versa. That's how a lot of these people stay in. It's so obvious, that these folks, certain congressman and senators don't give a damn what the people think, want or need, but we the people keep letting it happen. It's crazy, but it keeps happening. When will this stop.
I have another question and I realize that I am naïve to the way the government acts in some ways. Let's say that we vote a lot of these knuckleheads out of office in 2010, enough to control the house and Senate can we stop all these fiscally unsound policies or do we have to ride them out and like Pelosi stated that the Dems will be in favor by the time these policies run there course, so they can begin anew.

martin j smith| 12.21.09 @ 11:57AM

Look at Democrats behavior that parallel's terrorist groups. They are allegedly willing to give their political office for some plumb appoinment. Not exactly like a suicide bomber but, oh well as close as they can come to it. This suggests that the opposition has to be just as dedicated but doubly so in hounding out those who would be paid off even if they are defeated.
The first thing is to win elections, duh .....
That means no more sitting back and waiting. That means hounding ACORN and all other such groups on election day. That means getting people out to VOTE. It means organization and it also means getting out the message. It means for digging up stuff on ANY DEMOCRAT espeically folks like Obama himself,Pelosi and any others.
It means an organization of dedicated revolutionaries willing to use their time to monitor every utterance from the Democrat side and chose those worthy of response. It means go toe to toe with the opposition. It means of being aggressive in ones political battles and "moderates "are offended, that is a chance that has to be taken. After all the Democrat Party is making their own rules as they go along. Time for the opposition to be creative and make up some of our own.

Steve Slatten| 12.21.09 @ 11:58AM

Oh ye conservatives, how blind ye are. This is actually the best thing that's happened to health care in decades. One thing Republicans failed to mention while they were whining was that under the current system, WE'RE ALREADY PAYING FOR POOR PEOPLE'S HEALTH CARE. Any time someone poor is taken to the emergency room, we all pay for that person if he doesn't have insurance. It's better to have that person contribute to his own health care.

Duh.

www.partisansnipe.com

Ray| 12.21.09 @ 2:08PM

Steve, where in this legislation do you find the requirement that the people who already can't afford health care will, somehow, "contribute" to reduce he cost their medical care imposes upon the American people? I don't see anything that will recoup any expenses, but I DO see "exemptions" from the requirements of purchasing insurance for those who can't "afford it." You know, the same people who's 'free' health care we're already providing. So, what, exactly, are we gaining here?

Steve Slatten| 12.21.09 @ 8:31PM

Ray, while there may be some percentage exemptions for very poor people, most people will still have to buy their own coverage.

Anyway, people will no longer be able to let "someone else" take care of their health care, regardless of how the GOP spins it. Just like car insurance in most states, you will HAVE to have health insurance. And the a-hole insurance companies cannot turn anyone down now.

This bill may not be perfect, but it forces people who have been getting a free ride to pony up with the rest of us and get some health insurance. It also prevents the insurance companies from royally screwing us. In short, the bad guys get punished on both sides -- the free-riders and the insurance companies.

Darin| 12.21.09 @ 12:03PM

Cloward-Piven in action.

Pete| 12.21.09 @ 12:10PM

Yes, Stevie boy, we are already paying for poor people's health care. If that were the problem that the Democrats set out to 'fix', then we wouldn't be having this discussion, would we? By the by, up next, amnesty! ---and more poor people's health we can all pay for that we are already paying for. Move along, keep moving, nothing to whine about here.

Steve Slatten| 12.21.09 @ 12:32PM

Well, Petey-Boy, it sounds like you have a nasty case of RAS (Republican Anger Syndrome). Don't forget that your boy Ronnie is the one who last gave amnesty to illegals back in 1986. Oh, and don't forget that Junior wanted to give it to them in 2005.

Anyway, RAS is treatable with a prescription that involves taking a trip out here to sunny California -- where people actually LIKE their fellow Americans --, lighting up a joint, and having lots of free-wheeling sex. (For the record, I don't smoke grass, but it sounds like you sure could use some.)

"Have a nice day!"

www.partisansnipe.com

2Anglico| 12.21.09 @ 3:51PM

Good job Steve, you just confirmed, in writing, what the rest of us already know about CA, land of fruits and nuts. I bet you are all for other people paying for your "free wheeling" sexually transmitted diseases.

Steve Slatten| 12.21.09 @ 8:36PM

2Anglico, Well, I don't know what kind of skanks you're used to, but I'm disease-free and happily married.

That said, the reason everyone hates California is because we're the only ones having any fun in life. I'm sorry that life can't be better in whatever God-forsaken southern state you call home, but life's pretty good in the City by the Bay.

Tonight, I'm going to a party in Haight-Ashbury with my socialist friends and we're going to plot our takeover of YOUR state and the corruption of your children.

BWA-HAHA!

JoshInHB| 12.27.09 @ 12:44PM

It'd be better if you plot a way to pay for your socialist bs in CA. The state is bankrupt. The economy here is in worse shape that it was in 1935.
And all you socialist a-holes dream up new ways to screw the state further. Soon the state will have nothing but illegals and governemennt employees.
Good luck collecting your state pensions then.

Margie| 12.21.09 @ 12:45PM

We'll be seeing just how much the dopey Socialist people in this country who are all for Socialized Medicine really like it soon enough!

Dee| 12.21.09 @ 1:02PM

In spite all the gnashing of teeth by Reps today, what did they accomplished after 12 years of being in the majority including 8 years in the WH? I am more disgusted by all these Rep /Conservative politicians and talking heads whining about Libs cutting deals to get this monstrosity passed. What did they expect? How come Libs will do ANYTHING to implement their European style of socialism, while Cons/Reps, sit around crying and whining.

Margie| 12.21.09 @ 1:09PM

Dee,
I know what you're saying..but really~~ we get the government we deserve.. ultimately. Except in the numerous cases of voter FRAUD going on for decades by the Democrat Leftists.
~We HAVE TO get more involved in the process ourselves. That's all we can do.. starting for the 2010 elections..backing conservatives in the party who are running..making our voices be heard..as in the recent NJ & VA and (almost NY) elections~~they were extremely hopeful.

JoshInHB| 12.27.09 @ 12:48PM

Margie,

Are you a paid republican propagandist?

Because when i voted for GWB in 2000 it sure wasn't so he could create a new drug entitlement or further federalize education. Or allow the pigs in his own party run wild.

We need to get conservative in office that will roll back government to whatever extent possible.
Not create their own brand of Big Government.

By the way, all that socialist crap didn't help GWB or the republicans anyway.

Ray| 12.21.09 @ 2:23PM

What did the Republicans accomplish, Dee? They accomplished stopping this for over 12 years. Don't forget, this was tried back 12 years ago and the Republicans stopped it. Unfortunately, the Republicans are now so weak that they can't stop it no matter how hard they try.

As to why their so weak, well, 12 years of media inspired hatred of Republicans in general hasn't helped any. 12 year of media claims about the Republican's "culture iof corruption" hasn't helped any. 12 years of "Republicans don't care" hasn't helped any. 12 years of media created Republican "scandals" hasn't helped any. 12 years of voter apathy, inspired and encouraged by the left wight in the media, hasn't helped any.

Instead of blaming Republicans, let's place the blame where it belongs, on the foolish American citizen who believes everything the media has told them for the last 12 year. Let's blame ourselves, for we're the ones who let this happen.

Can we fix the monster our ignorance and apathy has created? Probably, but only if we want to and I'm not sure that many Americans are willing to try any more. They are taught to do as instructed, to buy whatever the media tells them, to believe whatever is "As Seen on TV." So, I don't know what will happen. Let's hope the sleepers awake before the American dream become a nightmare.

Walter| 12.21.09 @ 1:20PM

Let me see if I understand this. By unanimously opposing the reduction of Medicare spending by even one penny, Republican lawmakers expressed unanimous support for Canadian-style government-run single-payer health insurance...but only for those aged 65+. Right?

PolishKnight| 12.21.09 @ 1:22PM

Dee, that's a very interesting question. I've put a lot of thought into it and this is what I think is happening.

"Liberalism" and socialism are really just idealized versions of back-scratchem politics. Even if a particular liberal or bluedog democrat doesn't believe, or care, about a particular commie bill, they know that their brother-in-law or daughter will get a high paying lobbyist job if they jump on board. The policies they espouse not only allow them to line their pockets personally, but also generate more stupid poor illiterates who will vote them into office because they promise to rob from someone else to benefit them.

Truth be told, a lot of conservatives are recent converts who were "moderates" just a decade or so ago which is why the left's primary objective is a quiet invasion of illegal aliens to get on the public coffers ASAP. Socialism is a constant shell game of promising benefits to new beneficiaries on the backs of the poor suckers they made that promise to in the past. Working class white men were the original founders and supporters of socialism. Guess how highly the left holds them now? Feminists will be next to be thrown under the bus.

Next, many conservatives have already bought into many of the ideals of the left even if they disagree with one or most of them. Consider GW Bush whose an avid pro-lifer and gun rights advocate but also a "compassionate conservative" who doesn't have the guts to come out against illegal immigration. Many conservatives also can't come out against women's equality even as they wonder why families are breaking up as young women can't find breadwinners to meet up to their heightened expectations.

Leftism, as Ann Coulter put it, is a religion and a very appealing one at that whose dogma is bought into by a lot of people even halfway. Until more people are willing to say difficult things, expect more culture rot to ensue.

Heck, my coming out against women's equality is sure to get the conservatives HERE riled up. Curse the vine and love the grape, but until you throw out the baby AND the bathwater, it's going to be at your door!

kingsmill| 12.21.09 @ 1:43PM

Big surprise-the Democrats actually ram through what they announce they want to ram through.

Meanwhile the Republicans can barely muster a response when they are labeled Nazis and wannabe assassins.

Mark Steyn is spot on when he argues that if the Democrats can impose a national health care system (and this bill is the embryo) then the game will be up for conservatives. With health centralization the Left will have an open field for their entire wish list of "progressive cultural change".

Will the Republicans work to repeal this behemoth, if they score big in the midterms and in 2012? I have my doubts. The Repubicans are very happy as caretakers of big government.

peter| 12.21.09 @ 2:13PM

can someone please explain to me what Kerry meant when he quoted Ted, "historic breakthroughs, especially in social policies!" What is a social policy? And what constitutes a "breakthrough?"

GENE Hauber| 12.21.09 @ 2:15PM

NOW WE KNOW THAT ben nelson IS A WHORE AND WHAT HIS PRICE IS. HE JUST SCREWED HIS CONSTITUENTS AND THE PEOPLE OF AMERICA FOR $100 MILLION ....AND USED OUR MONEY TO DO IT

SHAME ON THE "JOHN" (OB AMA) AND THE WHORE NELSON AND SHAME ON THE WHOREHOUSE, THE HALLS OF CONGRESS.

LET'S NOT GIVE THESE BASTARDS ANYMORE OF OUR TIME OR MONEY AFTER NOV 2010

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Al Adab| 12.21.09 @ 3:04PM

The Dems are breaking new wind with this nonsense. That is what we smell.

They have become a metastatic cancer eating away at the very foundations of Constitutional government in their insatiable lust for power and control. There will be no end to this imposition of tyranny until and unless they and their thinking are exorcised from our national life. What was once a patiotic, albeit misguided, "do good" party has become a clear and present danger to us all.

As to the GOP, their accomodationist wing (the majority) sold us down the river by refusing to oppose the spending and programs that brought us to this pass. Only the Conservative Movement stands between the Citizens and their Liberty and the imposition of tyranny from Washington.

These are the times that try men's souls and action must follow words. Money and ballots are the way to make ourselves heard even while the government ignores those gathered in the streets of Washington and elsewhere. Failing that the alternatives become undesireable. This battle of ideas is one we cannot afford to lose.

JP| 12.21.09 @ 3:23PM

""The lesson Teddy learned is this," Kerry explained. "When it comes to historic breakthroughs in America, especially in social policies, you make the best deal that you can, and immediately, you start pushing for ways to improve the deal." "

I think many of our lawmakers (including those in the GOP) fail to realize this isn't 1932, 1972, or even 1994. Our nation is on the cusp of a near fatal amount of red ink. At some point, the dollar will collapse, or interest rates will reach dangerous levels very quickly. We simply cannot afford ObamaCare. And the ramifications both economically and politically will be swift and severe. The Dems believe they can somehow tinker with the rapid increases in taxes, fees, and premium prices, not to mention the deep cuts to Medicare. These things will be occuring by the end of summer. Yet, the "benefits" are postponed for another 4 to 8 years. This is a disaster waiting to happen in more ways than one. And Kerry, Reid, Schummer, and Durbin haven't a clue what they will be facing.

Yes, the Senate and House will be convening almost as soon as the ink is dry. What is unbelievable is the fact that no one really knows what the entire bill contains. Can you imagine our lawmakers trying to "fix" thier solution 2 months from now? Will the Bill grow to 4000 pages? Will they panic and attempt to fix the bill "from the Left"? Can anyone imagine any GOP lawmaker assisting the Dems in fixing this disaster during what will be a most contentious election year?

WRJonas | 12.21.09 @ 4:03PM

This looks like the end of the Republican Party. We can't even agree on which plan will defeat liberalism .Some commenters think there is going to be a tidal wave or backlash. Where is the evidence for that? A couple of House seats? We have a Party Chairman who has to struggle to control his liberal side and a former Presidential candidate who is more liberal than most of his party.
I would suggest we list 5 issues we all agree on then try to get OUR Party interested in supporting them. Not a third Party.
Here's a starter list . #1 Rescind Democrat Healthcare #2 US withdrawal from the UN #3 Withdraw from NATO #4 Support Israel #5 Close our Borders and begin strict immigration Enforcement.
I believe most Republicans could enthusiastically endorse these measures. Why can't we get our leaders to lead the Party in this direction ?

Answer: They don't consider these areas to be a major concern. The are not conservatives , They are moderates and don't have the same objectives we do. And you guys think we're going to take back the Congress in 2010? I don't think so.

Patrick| 12.22.09 @ 9:14AM

I concurr.

A.F.Branco| 12.21.09 @ 4:40PM

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JimE| 12.21.09 @ 5:55PM

There is no one in the republican party who is man enough to tell pelosi and reid FU! The right pisses their pants andruns for the corner.

Conservative1st| 12.21.09 @ 6:27PM

This all hinges on the Dems maintaining the super-majorities they now have. I have been saying for some time that if Republicans can pick up enough seats in the Senate, even enough to have a cloture proof minority, they can make Obama deal on the most obnoxious parts of the bill.
If he refuses then they can filibuster legislation, judicial appts, cabinet appts, etc. Effectively making him a lameduck president. But they have to have the balls to actually play hardball. That's the wild card.
Also, the individual mandates won't pass SCOTUS and several states are filing nullification bills.
Finally, we as conservatives have to donate our money, time and experience to elect conservatives to the House and Senate in 2010. That means massive voter registration in Republican precincts and an effective GOTV.

It's up to us how this turns out. If we allow it, then yes these things will happen.

bluecollarbytes| 12.21.09 @ 6:36PM

"When it comes to instituting full blown socialism in America, especially through govt mandates, you sneak in the most govt. control that you can, and immediately, you start pushing for ways to march further Leftward. "

Houston Rao| 12.21.09 @ 7:12PM

While I agree that voting these thieves out of office would be a good start, I am not sure if that would be effective in the long run. They have established enough connections in their tenure to settle into cushy lobbyist jobs where they can use their networks and connections within the government labyrinth to enrich themselves and their clients.

Money. It is the fuel that makes their ambitions possible. And we, the people, provide it to them. Unless and until that fuel dries up, they will continue to enslave the people and enrich themselves.

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.21.09 @ 7:21PM

C'mon guys
Quit regurgitating the obvious, and grumbling. We all know what is at stake.

PS: a hint...win at the ballot box...or a shooting civil war.
What's it going to be?

Ret. Marine| 12.22.09 @ 7:51AM

My bet is on the .....shooting part. This is not going to go well for the next three years of the "won's" ambitions. I suspect someone in the Dem party is going to have to run very fast, very soon, lest the population get their hands on him/her.

R.B.| 12.21.09 @ 7:27PM

Tyranny, nothing more than tyranny! Our for fathers fought for less! I'm sick of this B.S. Nothing but tax and spend and if you don't do what the S.S. says off to jail you go. The government no longer work for the people, we work for them! Voting will do nothing!!! A change is needed, a change in washington. Trials for every thief that works on capital hill and then nooses for their necks. Revolution is in the air!!!

Cartman| 12.21.09 @ 7:43PM

It could only be a liberal who can lionize Ted Kennedy, a spoiled philandering drunken bastard who singehandedly did more damage to the United States than any other politician - at least until the current crop of weeds.

JoshInHB| 12.27.09 @ 12:54PM

Also a serial rapist and murderer.

Conservative1st| 12.21.09 @ 7:49PM

Nothing constructive here I see...just a buncha bitching, whining and moaning. No wonder Dems don't fear the voters, especially conservative voters, because at the first sign of difficulty all conservatives want to do is curl up in the fetal position.

Dan Calabrese was right, Republicans/ Conservatives are nothing but a bunch of pantywaists.

MarkJ| 12.21.09 @ 8:19PM

JimE,

"[The] dems will get health care, cap and trade and won't lose a house or senate seat. "

You're wrong. However, if the Democrats do get the above...they'll get a civil war too.

Paul| 12.21.09 @ 8:46PM

Dear Mr. Klein,

Oldefarte, whose opinion I respect, says, "excellent article, Philip", but I say, "please tell me something we don't already know".

You can, and usually do, do better than this re-statement of the blindingly obvious. Please raise your game back up to the standard we expect of a regular AmSpec contributor.

As for Dem. Senator Kent Conrad, whom you quote as saying that the Class Act is a "a Ponzi scheme of the first order, the kind of thing that Bernie Madoff would have been proud of," well, he voted for the bill anyway, didn't he?

This bill is as good as passed and the Republican leadership should be ashamed of themselves (but they're not) for the pisspoor job they did in opposing it.

ted| 12.21.09 @ 10:44PM

this health care bill is the biggest mistake
i cant wait till nx yrs elections and see all the politians voted out of office
anyone who thinks this bill is good just wait
and see where we are 10yrs from now your be sorry
that this bill was passed we have a bunch of crooks in the house and senate and anyone who thinks that they did the right just wait and see

Ric| 12.22.09 @ 12:18AM

When are we going to revolt? How much slavery and bondage thrust upon us does it take before we act? Must we all be penniless, homeless and starving before we take our country back from these internationalist criminals occupying our government?

alice| 12.22.09 @ 3:57AM

So does anyone see the future picture that the Dem Libs or progressives have in store for the once great USA. It's the second bill of rights that the progressive FDR wanted soooo bad. The problem is now the gov't will take control of 1/6 of our countries GDP. Does anyone know what that means. Just like the Muslim in Chief said he would do is fundamentally change our country. I'm not sure how a country goes from freedom to complete gov't control, or tyranny. Maybe it will be a Dictator, Hussain Obama. Even the German's as smart as they are elected Hitler. And what a great job of leader he did. History mirrors itself. You've been warned.

Rmm| 12.22.09 @ 9:12AM

Gridlock is good! We got what we deserve by giving the vote to the these rampant partisan lefties. But when payback comes in 2010, they won't be high-fiveing anymore. This cynicism must be swept out of office and replaced with people who bye into country before ideology. Period!!

J. Willey| 12.22.09 @ 10:00AM

The political maneuvers being made by the Democratic party have sealed their doom along with any Republicans and Independents that have sided with them on Health Care Reform (the framework for America's Socialism). Even their tactics mimic the those of the takeovers of other nations such as Russia, China and Germany. when the dirty deeds of political skulduggery were done under the cover of darkness. Cowards that would and are stealing our freedoms and defying the Constitution. If we are able to survive until the next two elections, let no member of the current Washington, D.C. politicos, and George Sorros be left standing. We must vote everyone of them out of political power forever. We are seeing the evidence of what transpires when an apathetic electorate sits on their hands and does not protest loudly and long enough to secure the rights of the people.

Iron Sights| 12.22.09 @ 6:37PM

Melvin| 12.21.09 @ 10:40AM
Nancy Pelosi summed it up perfectly by her acknowledged that the Democrats could very well lose the Senate and the House. But when they regain control, the Health Care will still be there silently chugging alone awaiting for they're return.

With any luck, Pelosi will be room temperature by the time the Marxist Libtards regain control of the house and Senate. I'm not so sure Harry Reid isn't there already, having watched some of his dynamic speeches lately. Can you say, Weekend At Bernie's.

C.K. Amos| 12.23.09 @ 12:09AM

Good article. Thanks.

Laughed, though, when I first saw the headline. I honestly thought it said, "Democrats Break Wind."

But, then, what they've done is foul-smelling.

alice| 12.23.09 @ 6:02AM

What do you expect, the Chicago gangster politics is in full speed. Our Muslim in Chief was so proud to be the legal counsel for Acorn, and force motor voter to overwhelm the system, so they could get away with any level of fraud. This same person also helped to force the banks to lend money to the highest risk, jerk off's or homeless garbage you can find anywhere. This is how the housing market and it's value was destroyed..... It doesn't take a genus to figure out the overall plan. It's Cloward Pevin or Saul Alunski, idea of the great new Soviet USA........

alice| 12.23.09 @ 6:51AM

Answer to Ray. You hit it rite on the head. I'm not sure if it's all the colleges who's professors are not only liberal, but preach Socialism, and communism, as the new truth, is the start of the growing problem Yea the media is a very real problem, the first assumilated group, to trust the new belief. If we had a new president that was raised in this country, not in the Philippines as a Muslim. He might care a bit about the future of our once great country.... But that's not our reality. the libs have learned that the end justifies any means, no matter how corrupt, illegal, criminal, or against this country. Our election process has been compromised. Obama was legal counsel for Acorn and teacher in how to overwhelm the system with fraud votes.... Remember in 1935 Germany Hitler got all his power and control by popular vote. Will we make the same mistake........

Tenn Slim| 12.23.09 @ 9:16AM

Opine
OK, Given the above predictions, just what in the H.. do we do? What does the average Tenn, Arkansas, Mississippi local cafe coffee drinker do? He or she has to do the dailies, plant, harvest, prepare for the worst, and raise the kids. While we are watching this fiasco in DC the cotton crop this year was pitiful. Floods, rain, and bad wx combinded to end the harvest late. We watched and some of us lurked on the NET, while the DC pols handed us our lunch, spoiled in advance.
bt
I submit. Enlist your family members who can and have the time, to simply write the local reps, the DC reps, emphasize the Election of 2010 and note that we are listening, watching and understanding the fiasco far better than they understand or want to believe.
bt
I know, it is a small ripple in a huge pond, but my Tenn Rep (Tanner) got the message and decided to hang up his DC position, retireing instead of running in 2010. Maybe, just maybe, we can influence enough of the DC pols to just quit.
end
Semper Fi

changeling48084| 12.25.09 @ 9:20PM

Both the House and Senate versions of what is laughably called 'health care reform' are just like Ted Kennedy:

Fat, Bloated, Out of Control and Likely to Kill You if You Rely on Either of Them in an Emergency!!!

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