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Laughing at the Left
How can they really believe this stuff?
If the consequences for this great nation of ours weren’t so serious and the policies preferred by the left weren’t so dangerous, one would really laugh, almost uncontrollably, at the beliefs and (il)logic of American liberals. Based on things they have actually said or done, here are some of the things they really, truly seem to believe.
They believe we can spend our way out of debt. They believe taking money from one part of the economy to give to another part somehow makes the economy bigger. They believe people who have never run a business can run a business better than people who have spent their whole lives running businesses. They believe that what appears to be a 20-year spike in global temperatures (a spike itself that hundreds of scientists dispute) can mean doom for a planet whose temperatures have swung much more widely for 6 billion years — but that an eight- or ten-year flattening or even drop in temperatures can be ignored because it doesn’t comport with the “models” based largely on the previous 20 years. They believe that punishing “developed” nations for carbon consumption is a good idea even if it means that developing countries without the same environmental controls will take over the production/manufacturing forced away from the developed countries. So, somehow, in the name of saving the environment from carbon emissions, they would create even more carbon emissions (and other, real pollution) elsewhere — and call it progress.
They believe that teenage girls who aren’t allowed to get even minor cosmetic surgery without a parent’s permission should nevertheless be able to procure an abortion without a parent’s permission. They believe that would-be parents should have the “choice” to kill their babies, but not the choice of where to send their children to school. They believe that when it comes to advising about abortions, nobody should interfere with the doctor (abortionist)-patient relationship — but when it comes to caring for the elderly, anonymous bureaucrats should dictate to doctors what sorts of treatment are cost-effective enough to be “approved.”
They believe it is unconstitutional for a legislature to mention Jesus but perfectly okay to mention Allah. They think it is offensive for mass-market movies to exhibit Christian sensibilities, but that it is perfectly okay for primetime TV shows on the public airwaves to have eighth graders decide which is the sexiest from among of contestants on MILF (Mothers I’d Like to ****) Island. They believe it disqualifies an appellate judicial nominee to joke one time about praying “please God, no more Souters” on the Supreme Court, but that it doesn’t disqualify a Supreme Court nominee to repeat in multiple prepared speeches that “inherent physiological or cultural differences… may and will make a difference in our judging.” They believe it is disqualifying for a judicial nominee to have quoted Thomas Aquinas about a Catholic duty to be good and active citizens while speaking to a Catholic high school. They believe explicit words in the Constitution protecting contracts, and gun ownership rights, and property rights against government seizure, are to be ignored; but that wholly invented “rights” that cannot be found in any words of the Constitution, but that merely “extend” from “emanations” from “penumbras” of other judicially created “rights,” are somehow sacrosanct and essential parts of the Constitution.
They believe that when a white skinhead threatens a black man, it is a sign of a vast racist conspiracy; but that when paramilitary-garbed New Black Panthers with a weapon, spouting racial epithets, stand right in front of a polling place, it is no violation of civil rights at all — even after a judge has already moved to issue a default judgment against the Panthers. They believe that blacks are suffering racial discrimination when black voters themselves choose to hold non-partisan elections. They believe white firefighters can be denied promotions specifically because they are white, and that Asian students can be denied admission to college because they aren’t black, but that black students who want to attend racially integrated private schools should be sent back to de facto segregated public schools in the name of “fairness.”
The Left thinks it is good diplomacy to insult our allies while kowtowing to our enemies and bowing to problematic rivals. They tried everything in their power to stop Ronald Reagan’s Cold War policies and yet now claim to have been part of a decades-long, bipartisan consensus on Cold War efforts. They think Afghanistan is a “war of necessity” until they are in charge of it, after which it becomes a war that must be stopped, one that was inherited from bad Republicans. They oppose missile defense because they say it will never work, and then when it works they oppose it anyway. They think that American imperialists are worse than foreign Communists. They think American servicemen should be prosecuted for (allegedly) punching a jihadist-terrorist in the stomach while capturing him — and in a military court, without civilian due process rights — but that foreign terrorist suspects are too good for military justice and instead deserve Miranda rights and other domestic American civil rights.
They support jail sentences for mere paperwork violations of environmental laws, even of foreign environmental laws or regulations, but they think even violent criminals should be let free if police make unintentional mistakes in paperwork or procedure.
They also think it is dangerous to the point of being an existential threat for ordinary citizens to challenge office-holders at town hall meetings, but perfectly okay for those same powerful office-holders to call their critics “un-American.” They believe in the secret ballot for Mexicans, but not for American workers who are considering unionization. They say, against all evidence, that far more ballots are kept from being cast due to utterly unspecified “intimidation” than are cast fraudulently in the names of people who actually go nowhere near the polls, of dead people, and even of pet dogs …and of dead pet fish!!!
And, finally for now (this could go on for page after page), get this: They actually think most Americans agree with them. Now that isn’t just laugh-inducing; it’s worthy of a roll-on-the-floor, guffaw-til-you’re-blue-in-the-face, uncontrollable laughing fit.
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Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Karibou Kid| 12.18.09 @ 6:23AM
Need I say it? Liberalism is a mental disorder.
Son Of Sam | 12.18.09 @ 10:02AM
Liberalism is nothing more than attack against the middle class. The whole purpose of health care "reform", the stimulus that didnt create any jobs and the so-called "war on poverty" was and is to STEAL TRILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS. This money is then held, traded, swapped, used, abused and swindled around by a gigantic government that no longer represents "we the people" but works only for its own selfish ends. "anti-poverty" money hardly reaches the poor: they give 'em just enough to not riot. Most of the money is spent on faceless bureaucrats and thieving politicians, and their cronies, and their relations. And healthc care "reform"? Such a f**ing joke: how the hell are we supposed to believe that we can "save" money by first of all spending 2 trillion dollars?
Sharpen your pitchforks. 2010 is almost here.
stand strong until freedom dawns
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Old Guy| 12.18.09 @ 6:13PM
Everything would be very clear if you folks would start using the correct terminology. Not "liberal." Not "progressive." They are STATISTS who believe with all sincerity that the state - as represented by their own superiority - is the only entity capable of providing what is best for all of us. And they, of course, will run the state!
Ret. Marine| 12.19.09 @ 6:48AM
Sorry Old Guy, but the correct title for these types is LIARS
TvPorter.com | 4.25.10 @ 2:43PM
I really agree with you.
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wyn| 12.19.09 @ 7:36PM
Yes! Yes! I wish everyone would stop using liberal or progressive. It really boils me up. How about Fascists?
leonious| 12.19.09 @ 11:09PM
I'd give my right testicle to be able to do my PHD thesis on STUPID LYING STATIST PAMPERED ELITIST ACADEMICS. I returned to school at age 46. The above spot on piece is the syllabus I endured for 6 years getting my degree in GEO/GIS/URB PLANNING. Lectures often included eyeball from the podium accusatory statements directed at me from PUKES whom never held a job but earned a PHD by kissing arses and spewing how they taste on paper.
It was even told to my face it would better serve the world if people, Like myself, who by nature supposedly grow more conservative with age would just go ahead and die so theses overall tomes of asininity could be applied more freely.
I became conservative well before JIMMAH CARTER serving in the US NAVY. PRAISE GOD for Ronald Reagan.
CAN YOU SAY TEA PARTY YAWL
LEONIOUS
Margie| 12.20.09 @ 11:25AM
You're one awesome guy, Leonious. Stick around.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:16AM
I was in the Navy too when carter was the president. Looks to me that carter is about to be replaced as being the most irrelevant president in US history.
David | 6.8.10 @ 5:10AM
Right.Your thought is great.
John| 12.20.09 @ 10:35AM
Cute screenname. I think we can see how you would "resolve" this liberal scourge if let to your own devices.
As always false accusations and gross misrepresentations. I'm a liberal and don't believe in half of the "facts" stated here.
You might want to work on your own house first. Any group with Bachman, Beck and Coulter as spokespersons has a real credibility problem.
victor| 12.21.09 @ 9:26AM
"John"
"I'm a liberal and don't believe in half of the "facts" stated here."
That means you AGREE with half of the FACTS stated here.
Jorge| 12.21.09 @ 12:30PM
Johnny, Its always amazes me when you dolts yell "facts" and then never name the the mistaken "fact". Coulter, Beck and many others are much more factual then Obama and the make believe numbers that they throw up. Which fact Johnny, which fact.
Alan Brooks| 12.18.09 @ 11:43AM
Question is, who is the anti-conservative, lost-without-the-Cold-War GOP going to run in '12? Laugh now, cry later.
Palin doesn't have anywhere near Reagan's or Thatcher's experience, and will not until after 2020. besides, America is very macho, this isn't today's Germany, with its Merkel.
You've got no one. Laugh now, sober up.... when?
Alan Brooks| 12.18.09 @ 11:55AM
... Obama will undoubtedly laugh last, but laugh
best--
as Clinton did.
jay| 12.18.09 @ 2:20PM
go to hell u son of bitch
Sowell Disciple| 12.18.09 @ 6:05PM
Jay, you seem to lack decorum and insight. Your type of comment is better suited to one of the leftie blogs.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 7:30PM
The tune is right, but he needs better lyrics.
Paladin| 12.19.09 @ 5:26PM
Obama will be shining shoes in another 3 years........
Tfreshness| 12.20.09 @ 11:02AM
Shining shoes ehh....he has not had a real job his whole life, really, and then, BAM, the President....scary....as we can all see. Screw insulting shoe shiners everywhere, they should organize (by secret ballot) to keep the O locked out and from dragging down their good name.
jj campbell| 6.26.10 @ 1:48PM
Obama will be in exile in Nigeria very busy community organizing for acorn and the S.E.I.U
With unsolved law suits hanging over him he cannot return to the U.S Michelle is living in Chicago with new husband Ron and both girls are living in Aspen. Barney Frank sometimes visits him in Nigeria.
Allan| 12.22.09 @ 3:45PM
Clinton was impeached. One of two in our history.
He was not convicted, but he will remain impeached ... forever.
Bohemond| 12.18.09 @ 1:37PM
There will be. For now, why would any intelligent conservative make himself a target for the Soros-Dean smear machine? For now we'll rope-a-dope the lefties, letting them wear themselves out on our lightning rods like Glenn Beck.
Besides, by 2012 Obama will be so despised the GOP could run Gilbert Gottfried and win.
Bruce | 12.18.09 @ 1:47PM
Seems to me Reagan and Palin have EXACTLY the same experience - they were both Governors of large states. Palin's executive experience is actually greater than Reagan's was - having also been a city Mayor.
Matt Morehouse| 12.18.09 @ 5:25PM
Are you joking?
Reagan was a successful TWO TERM governor of a much larger state.
Mrs. Palin was a less than half term governor of a much smaller state and she was mayor of a very small (pop. 7,000) city. No way can she be favorably compared to Reagan
Bruce | 12.18.09 @ 7:56PM
So you're saying that Kalifornia is a larger state than Alaska? Did you take geography in school by any chance? The number of terms is insignificant - the executive experience is all that matters. The same applies to the mayors office. Further - Sarah was nbot a "half term" governor - she had only a year remaining on her term - which again means exactly nothing when discussing executive experience.
Matt Morehouse| 12.20.09 @ 1:05PM
Of course I know that land-wise Alaska is larger than California. But landmass is of little importance in politics. Witness the political clout of Wyoming, Montana, Alaska, etc. compared to that of New York, Ohio, Florida, etc.
Eight years exec experience running a large influential state is more than three running a small politically unimportant state. Did you take arithmetic in school by chance.
Anyone who would favorably compare Mrs. Palin to Reagan is dillusional.
victor| 12.20.09 @ 8:46PM
Actually, Anyone who would not favorably compare Mrs. Palin to Reagan is "dillusional" and a bad speller to boot.
Matt morehouse| 12.21.09 @ 5:31PM
Vic---That's a typo, nevertheless embarrassing for a publisher. . Seems like Bruce also has trouble spelling but you didn't tweak him.
Anyway you didn't (can't?) refute my main point.
I like Mrs. Palin and what she stands for, but she is nowhere near ready to run for President and if she does in 2012 the Republicans will see the greatest defeat in political history.
Let her get more real experience under her bra before running. Why not run and get elected as senator from Ak. and serve a FULL term.
Failing that I think she has a great future as a talk show host or as one of Hanitty's babes.
http://www.conversationsaround.....ogspot.com
Mary| 12.19.09 @ 5:04PM
However, Mrs Palin is smart, truthful, attractive, can debate, and not too proud to listen to others' solutions and intelligent enough to know what it the best. She would be good at picking smart people to surround her to advise her, I beleive. There's more but I think she or Michele Bauchman are the best to surface so far. Out with the old...in with the new ideas to win in 2012.
fui.generis| 12.21.09 @ 10:09AM
Wrong comparison. I would vote for Palin against Obama in a heart beat. The question is: Would I vote for Palin over, say, Tom Coburn.
sandyinohio| 12.21.09 @ 1:23PM
Much as I like Palin and much of what she said and stands for, I do not believe she stands favorably next to a Dr Coburn. Loke her; would be OK as VP but not ready for presidency is my opinion. Neither is the current guy though... go figure.
bill tronson| 12.18.09 @ 1:49PM
How's that "Hope and Change" working for you so far Alan? Obama's total lack of real world experience is proving disastrous. Palin may not have Reagan or Thatcher's experience but she does have more than all the Chicago mafia combined. One term and out.
Tomas| 12.18.09 @ 3:16PM
Ah, Alan... You're one of those finger-wagging, self-important snobs who are, like Obama early in his only term, going around saying, "We won." People are discussing important, world-changing issues and all you can offer is smug contempt?
Grow up.
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MTB| 12.18.09 @ 5:57PM
You're absolutely right, Alan. The Republicans really don't have a viable candidate, but I'm not sure they need one. Now that Obama and Co's radical left-wing policies to take over and turn our democracy into a totalitarian government has been revealed, any decent Republican/Conservative, including the inexperienced but likeable Sarah Palin, can run on the platform of "Anyone but Obama" and win. Good luck to you and yours in 2012. Heck, even 44% of the nation would rather have George W. Bush back than put up with another day of Obama. No, I don't believe Obama will be laughing last or best. He'll be crying like Carter after a resounding thumping by the American people when they vote him out of office after one term.
Matt Morehouse| 12.21.09 @ 5:36PM
Sure hope you are right. Hell, even Slick looks good at this juncture.
Sowell Disciple| 12.18.09 @ 6:04PM
So Alan Brooks can recite from memory one Republican who could conceivably run for President. Mr. Brooks, there are many good potential Republican candidates who didn't run in the 2008 primaries. Your assignment is to actually read a bit to find out who they are.
Also, your characterization of the US as too macho to elect a female president shows what a cartoonish view you have of this country.
JoshInHB| 12.18.09 @ 9:57PM
"Question is, who is the anti-conservative, lost-without-the-Cold-War GOP going to run in '12? Laugh now, cry later."
Sound like Mitt "the prog loser" Romeny.
Freebz| 12.19.09 @ 1:11PM
Obamer has "lots" of experience
we can tell by the excelent policy
line he follows---- ya, ok
Brian sandridge | 12.21.09 @ 9:30AM
How can you be so short-sighted as to see this in terms of The Horse Race of Dem. vs GOP? Its not about "one" candidate; its a movement. It won't matter who it is that becomes the embodiment of the Tea Party/ 9/12'ers; if he/she convince the American people that the Constitution has been under attack these past 12 years and promises to bring sanity back to Washington they will win! We will win! And even you will be better off.
Julie| 12.21.09 @ 10:08AM
Funny, yet sad... Palin doesn't have experience? And Obama did? I bet you're sober... NOT!
Matt Morehouse| 12.21.09 @ 5:54PM
You are correct BHO did not have... Unfortunately "did" is the operative word. If he runs in'12 the word will be "does" and isn't that when Mrs Palin may run???
I happen to be sober at the moment but hope to cure that malady soon. Here's looking at you, kid.
http://www.conversationsaround.....ogspot.com
Alpha Maser | 12.18.09 @ 5:39PM
You rock. Right on! Hypocrisy on the largest scale is the result of governing based on special interests rather than principles.
jd| 12.18.09 @ 7:02PM
Let me add to the list of delusional beliefs: Health care crisis, global warming, Keynsian economics, Bush lied, Al Gore won the election, doctors take lives; lawyers save them, wind power works; nuclear doesn't, 46 million uninsured, Cuba has good healthcare; we don't, profit is evil, a tax cut is spending, spending is investment, taxes aren't taxes they are "revenue enhancements", the rich don't pay their fair share of taxes, insurance "reform", "created or saved", we lost the war in Vietnam, we lost the war in Iraq, we won the war in Afghanistan already, Lincoln was a democrat, Christianity is evil, wealthfare is altruism, altruism is a "tax loophole", Barack Obama is a genuis, Al Gore is a genuis, John Kerry is a war hero, Reagan was dumb, Bush is dumb, the atom bomb on Hiroshima was a war crime, Hitler was a fascist, Mussolini wasn't admired by liberals, wealth is created "bottoms up", jobs are created by government, environmentalism is not a religon, moral relativism exists; except with evironmentalism, if you think about global warming you are a "denier", in science "consensus" matters, Europeans are smart, Columbus was a terrorist, Native Americans were pacifists, Liberals think blacks are equals, Goldwater was a liberal, equal opportunity=equal outcome and on and on...
Glen| 12.20.09 @ 10:48AM
Might I add one more to the list of things to laugh at. The guilty should be rehabilitated, the innocent should be murdered. Save the murderers and the rapists regardless of their evil acts, but kill the innocent babies because of the lack of control of their biological materials suppliers.
Stephanie Crowell| 12.18.09 @ 8:10PM
Haven't you heard? Obama has made an "meaningful and unprecedented breakthrough" at the Global Warming Summit! Ahhhh - that man loves himself so much --the rest of us don't have to. Yep- Liberalism as a mental disorder . . . toss in a truckload of narcissism paired with delusional disorder you've got it!
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 6:49PM
"This is the moment the waters began to recede"
Alex| 12.19.09 @ 3:29PM
If you believe that you are a pawn of the right wing media. Go ahead keep having fantasies about Mankin while listening to Limbaugh's drug induced rants.
Alex| 12.19.09 @ 3:29PM
If you believe that you are a pawn of the right wing media. Go ahead keep having fantasies about Mankin while listening to Limbaugh's drug induced rants.
Tfreshness| 12.20.09 @ 11:15AM
Typical 'Alex' L-I-B-E-R-A-L. While the above fearless Conservatives (and thank you all for that), Alex avoids having to check and update his/ her worldview and going through the tough task of putting concepts to the smell test by simply calling those with opposing views pawns "of the right wing media", etc.
Oh that's just fresh stuff we haven't dealt with before.
Brian sandridge | 12.21.09 @ 9:34AM
When in doubt or have nothing to say one uses ad hominem attack. Despite Mankin's beauty, and Rush's bout with drugs (as so many others have had), you have made no attempt at a logical rebuttal.
Julie| 12.21.09 @ 10:27AM
Oh, I've NEVER heard that before. Looks like someone is using talking points that befits an intolerant pawn of the left wing media.
BTW: I'd rather listen to Rush, Beck, Malkin and the Founding Fathers, than Olbermann, Maher, Maddow, Matthews and Marx.
Suggested reading for you lefties: The Declaration of Independece, The Constitution, The Federalist Papers, On Liberty, Common Sense. Good luck with that because it doesn't fit with the drug laced koolaid you have been drinking provided by the left wing MSM. Is that tingling sensation still running up your leg? An appropriate side affect not covered under govt run healthcare, I'm sure.
Julie| 12.21.09 @ 10:30AM
Oops... honest typo: Independence.
Pingback| 12.18.09 @ 6:25AM
Twitter Trackbacks for The American Spectator : Laughing at the Left [spectator.org] links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Appleby| 12.18.09 @ 6:37AM
Basically, liberal children believe that we can vote on everything, and majority rules. That is, we can vote on whether a cat is male or female, whether -21 in Calgary in December is a sign of Climate Change, whether 2 and 2 make 6, and whatever the voters decide is the truth.
Above all else, they believe that all the problems in the world can be solved by passing a law demanding they be solved, and taxing TheRich to pay for it.
Franklin| 12.18.09 @ 11:06AM
I agree about the voting thing except when the voters disagree with them. Then the voters are ignorant and the courts need to take over.
Ddenean| 12.19.09 @ 2:05PM
The problem is, what do you do when you run out of The Rich? But wait, there's still the Middle Class. After all, that's who liberals truly hate.
Brian sandridge | 12.21.09 @ 9:45AM
Right on the money!!!
You have discovered the deep truth that it is The Middle Class that is the target of the Collectivists. The history of America, and Liberty, is the history of the rise and success of the Middle Class. Throughout all of history, the Middle Class: capitalist, Liberal (in the classic sense), rational, steeped in Protestant ethic (whatever the espoused religion or lack of) has been despised by the Tribalist/Nationalists and the socialist utopians. In the scope of history, I am afraid that this brief flowering of Liberty, and Enlightenment, will be a mere flash bulb punctuating the dark ignorance of societies ruled by priests or party apparatchiks.
Rand| 12.21.09 @ 1:48PM
It will be a mere flash bulb if the people are content to sit there and take whatever the govt throws at them. The term "protecting freedom requires eternal vigilance" doesn't refer to protection from external enemies. No one can beat us one on one. It refers to eternal vigilance from those inside the country who would pervert the original intent of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. Read the Constitution, Bill of Rights, and Federalist Papers to find out what you are losing, and then begin by removing those in office who would destroy what this country was, and keep replacing them until you find those that would restore what we lost.
Darin| 12.18.09 @ 7:02AM
Liberals also believe they have a right to some portion of what someone else has earned. Funny, this is the same logic used by someone robbing your house.
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 6:51PM
No I believe that you have a right to some portion of what you've earned.
How much is for the majority to decide.
Lismore Accomodations | 7.4.10 @ 8:38AM
Lol that's a great logic. I really am not fond of this theory they have, but then again I'm kind of a Conservative.
Don L| 12.18.09 @ 7:20AM
Being laughing and lack of logic have nothing to do with liberalism, in the sense that, truth and logic are mere impediments to their goals - therefore they find great success in using emotions and deceit (crisis dejour) and selfishness (envy, and hedonism are rights - as is abortion?) to win the war against what they loathe - a moral civilized society. We play nerfball while they lob nukes -fortunately, God is on our side!
factis | 12.18.09 @ 7:30AM
Left Liberals a.k.a. Communists, are Agents of Satan. They do the bidding of The Prince of Darkness and believe they are doing "good." Communists seem not to understand or to be incapable of understanding that Good and Evil are not moral/ethical concepts but rather, spiritual powers. The slogan "It ain't easy bein' sleazy" fits the so-called "liberal" to a tee.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 11:41AM
Like I always say:
Liberalism=Socialism=Communism =Satanism.
Different titles, same spirit.
Spiritual warfare.
The Dark Prince| 12.18.09 @ 10:00PM
Margie,
You serve me, you just don't know it!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 10:58PM
Thank you Dark Prince. I'll remember to tell Jesus that the next time I pray.
DILLIGAF| 12.18.09 @ 7:33AM
We need the liberals in our political mix both for the entertainment value and to keep ourselves focused on conservatism. Without opposition we become weaker.
Brian sandridge | 12.21.09 @ 9:55AM
We really must try to reclaim the word Liberal. Liberalism obviously is based upon Liberty, not collectivism. Those who define the terms have the advantage in any debate. We, the people who have enacted The Constitution in order to form a more perfect union and to guarantee the recognition of our Rights are the Liberals! Liberal is the person who recognizes the sovereignty of his fellow. Liberal is the system that finds human sacrifice abhorrent. (The only reason Collectivists do not often practice human sacrifice is the lack of belief in its efficacy!)
pizzapaiute| 12.21.09 @ 11:02PM
You forget abortion.
martin j smith| 12.18.09 @ 7:39AM
The current Democratic Party and their media friends are part of a larger conspiracy ( under the aegis of climate "change" ) to destroy our country. This is not a joke. The Republican Party's leadership response to this is a "sick joke". They are many so called moderates( including those who now oppose Obama ) do not get the full picture yet. It is vitally important to 1) Push the Republican Leadership to lead by doing two things: directly confront Democrat lies and 2) Spread the word to voters just how dastardly Climategate is as an issue of a political nature ( not science ). The alternative media must push and push the matter of politics related to climategate for the voters to be aware of. Last but hardly least is connect the dots between"healthcare( Obamacare ) and climategate.
alphonse| 12.18.09 @ 8:50AM
martin: as rthe old saying goes, you get out of the way of someone self destructing because they have elected suicide over sanity.
With their willing co-conspirators in the lame stream media who will rush tyo defend these denonrats/leftists/marxists from any attack on their failed ideas, it allows them to use the old cannard, the right is trying to destroy people, the environment, jobs or whatever fad they are promoting at any particular moment.
But until the public wakes up and sees the demonrats for what they truly are what they stand for and what their ultimate agenda is, nothing changes.
Bill| 12.18.09 @ 8:08AM
This is a wonderful artical. I must admit, sometimes when I talk to liberals I get angry and forget all the talking points. They make no sense. When you are discussing something with some one and they present absolute stupidity, you sometimes find yourself searching for a come back, and you find yourself at a loss for words. This article, brings all of the reasons why I am a conservative into one nice neat package. As you said, this could go on for more pages, but you are right on on the main highlights. Thanks.
Working Stiff| 12.18.09 @ 8:10AM
To be a Democrat, you have to believe that
1. The AIDS virus is spread by a lack of funding.
2. Trial lawyers are selfless heroes and that doctors are overpaid.
3. Global temperatures are affected more by a suburban soccer mom driving an
SUV than by documented, cyclical variations in the brightness and intensity of the sun.
4. Guns in the hands of law-abiding Americans are more of a threat than nuclear, chemical and biological weapons in the hands of Iran.
5. Businesses create oppression and government creates prosperity.
6. Self-esteem is more important than doing anything to earn it.
7. There was no art before federal funding.
8. The NRA is a bad organization because it stands up for certain parts of the Constitution, but the ACLU is a good organization because it stands up for certain parts of the Constitution.
9. Taxes are too low but ATM fees are too high.
10. Standardized tests are racist, but racial quotas are not.
11. ANY change in the weather is proof of global warming.
12. National wealth is determined by what we consume, not by what we produce.
13. The only wars in which America should become involved are those in which our national security is not at risk.
14. Perjury and obstruction of justice are impeachable if a Republican president commits them but a harmless, private matter if a Democrat president commits them.
15. America can have a strong military without spending money on it.
16. The way to improve public schools is to give more money and power to the very people who have misused that power and money to destroy the public schools.
17. Hunters and fishermen do not care about the environment but pasty-faced activists that rarely venture out-of-doors do.
18. A bureaucrat living in Washington, D.C. can make better decisions about how to spend the money that you earn than you can.
19. Being a movie or television star qualifies you to speak out on public policy.
20. Hillary Clinton is a wonderful example for young women of feminine independence even though she has never accomplished anything worthwhile without riding on the coattails of her husband.
21. A handful of religious wackos living in rural Texas are more of a threat to public safety than
Islamic terrorists who wish to plant bombs in major American cities.
22. Passing new laws are a much better way to curb crime than enforcing the existing ones.
23. Tax cuts are for people who don't actually pay income taxes.
Kitty| 12.18.09 @ 9:32AM
Dittos! Well said.
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Truth to Power| 12.18.09 @ 9:34AM
Great list.
Die Fledermaus| 12.18.09 @ 1:25PM
Well done Working Stiff.
What makes me even more amazed is that these morons actually wear their beliefs in open like when they put stupid bumper stickers on their cars (you know the ones - like that silly COEXIST in symbols one when you know the left are atheist).
When I see someone in a car like this or wearing a silly T-shirt with some childish left-wing slogan I just point at them and laugh out loud.
Try it. It really makes them mad. They are nothing but unruly little children that can't think past their genitals and, like babies, are full of sh*t.
jeff| 12.18.09 @ 2:26PM
Great post, but I am looking for someone like you to explain why liberals believe these goofy things. Any ideas? Are they stupid? I don't think so. Do they want do destroy our society? Why? Don't they have children too?
MTB| 12.18.09 @ 6:22PM
My bro-in-law said he thinks liberals use a different part of their brains to think with than most common-sense people do. I laughed when he first told me this. I'm not laughing anymore. There is no other explanation for it. Liberalism is improper brain function. All those things Working Stiff said are true, but I believe they honestly cannot see where they are wrong. They don't think they lie. They think they are protecting the environment, etc. They think they are fairness personified and the saviors of the common man. There is no cure for it, which is why conservatives need to stand up and make sure they remain in the minority from now on.
John Navratil| 12.21.09 @ 10:50AM
MTB,
You "bro-in-law" is correct. For those really interested in exploring this try reading Thomas Sowell's "A Conflict of Visions". In it he differentiates, in broad brush, between those who believe that all problems can be solved from first principles and therefore history provides to lessons and those who believe that cultural dogmas are grounded in experience and that issues (like a centrally planned economy) are too complex to be solved "on the fly".
It is a good read.
Sam| 12.18.09 @ 11:19PM
All of you righties have no idea how ridiculous you look. Here's a simple explanation that perhaps your small minds can comprehend: most of us DON'T believe in any of that crap!
All you ever see are the people you see on your flatscreens. Wack jobs like Keith Olbermann, Rachel Maddow, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid. Real liberals know that these people are nothing short of liars and schemers who, if not closely monitored, will bring the country to its knees.
I could spend as much time as you clowns putting together a list of reasons why conservatives are crazy and backward, but then I'd make the very same mistake for which I mock you: I'd just be characterizing people like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, Sarah Palin, and Michele Bachmann.
stmichrick| 12.19.09 @ 9:33AM
Sam,
You can't reply to that list. If you don't believe any of those things, you must be with us then.
All you can respond with is a non-specific insult aimed at 'righties' with the courage to point these things out.
Liberals believe those things because they have a deep need to present themselves as on a higher moral plane than other people. After all, it's about intentions, not results Sam. Right?
You are a fraud.
victor| 12.19.09 @ 6:33PM
Hey Sam, you lefty, you.
Not only do you lefties believe what you believ to be true, but you cannot think otherwise.
Not having a tv, but listening to radio, I hear you guys call in and spout all of your Left Wing Bilge without fear of contradiction.
Heck, I even have to listen to some of it in person as I am related to some of these people.
Even when you present proof that contradicts them, they will say you are making it up.
Heck, I am a recovering liberal, having suffered for twenty years or so until I happened to come across Bob Grant on the radio. Listening to him made me realize that everything I believed was a lie.
You need to wake up and smell the democrats.
They are not as sweet as they make themselves out to be. Or as smart.
RadicalAmerican Patriot| 12.20.09 @ 2:30AM
Sam the scam: If you don't believe them then you must be on of the many liars spreading the B.S.! It is NOT the left vs. right, it is those believing in individual liberties with responsibility (conservatives!), as opposed to those who want the government (with them in charge, of course) controlling everyone (liberals or progressives; Hell they're Marxists!), since they don't trust anyone to have self discipline. Or they hate that someone else works hard, has a better idea and gets rich while pathetic losers who resort to name calling are either too stupid or lazy to work! So, which are you?
Randian| 12.18.09 @ 11:36PM
Liberals are smarter than you.
Just ask em........
Sam| 12.19.09 @ 12:48AM
I don't get it, Randian. What are you trying to say with your post? It doesn't make sense.
Jeff Perren | 12.20.09 @ 3:14PM
In one sense, the question may be unanswerable. Why does anyone believe any one thing, in the end?
But, the general answer is more mundane. Progressives have been educated in and by a culture that has taught for over a century that Progressivism is true, enlightened, and moral. Since the more educated tend to occupy positions of influence in academia, media, and government the situation is self-reinforcing and we have the culture you observe, with its inevitable political situation.
Individuals like John Dewey, who had a strong influence on all three institutions named above, started the ball rolling in a major way, though he had forerunners such as Rousseau and Hegel.
Their ideas came to dominate the intellectual life of the country and today's practical circumstances are the result.
Back to the article itself...
This is Quin Hillyer at the top of his game, a very high peak indeed. Excellent piece.
fui.generis| 12.21.09 @ 10:38AM
After careful consideration, I conclude that liberals come from those who never wanted to leave Kindergarten or always wanted to teach Kindergarten.
More seriously, I believe liberals are motivated by 2 emotions: (1) the desire to diversify any risky behavior among society as a whole, and (2) the wish to smite all "bigots".
Rand| 12.21.09 @ 2:05PM
It's because they are taught by the State and its power structure to think emotionally rather than critically. It's much easier to feel that it's fair to raise the minimum wage, for example, than to actually think about the full ramifications of the act and realize that if you raise the rates, more qualified people will be selected for the job over those with qualifications more deserving of a lower wage. Those people will be unable to find work, which will raise the number of people on welfare. Those not affected by minimum wage will demand a raise in their salary to compensate for the salary "lost" by increasing the minimum wage. The increased cost of salary will increase the cost of items produced, which makes it more expensive to buy, which increases the pressure to raise salaries to compensate for the inflation, which.....
The liberal voters don't know how to think any way but emotionally. The statist parties in power cater and nurture that level of thinking because it is easier to grow your power when all you have to do is appeal to the emotional nature of people.
MTB| 12.18.09 @ 6:23PM
Really great job, Working Stiff. This list should be e-mailed and shouted from every conservative media outlet in the country.
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 6:57PM
Working Stiff , I know this is meant as satire, but if you look at your items with an open mind you will realize that the progressive side is the correct side.
victor| 12.20.09 @ 8:55PM
The problem that liberals have with keeping an open mind, is that it is so open that geese can roam freely through it.
Aboriginal Art | 7.7.10 @ 9:03PM
There really isn't anything else to say after this, except well said. :)
Bohred| 12.18.09 @ 8:17AM
Democrats Believe in Santa Claus.
From P.J. O'Rourke;
I have only one firm belief about the American political system, and that is this: God is a Republican and Santa Claus is a Democrat.
God is an elderly or, at any rate, middle aged male, a stern fellow, patriarchal rather than paternal and a great believer in rules and regulations. He holds men accountable for their actions. He has little apparent concern for the material well being of the disadvantaged. He is politically connected, socially powerful and holds the mortgage on literally everything in the world. God is difficult. God is unsentimental. It is very hard to get into God's heavenly country club.
Santa Claus is another matter. He's cute. He's nonthreatening. He's always cheerful. And he loves animals. He may know who's been naughty and who's been nice, but he never does anything about it. He gives everyone everything they want without the thought of quid pro quo. He works hard for charities, and he's famously generous to the poor. Santa Claus is preferable to God in every way but one: There is no such thing as Santa Claus.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:32AM
On Target.
Fire for Effect.
Sam| 11.26.10 @ 4:55PM
Nicely worded, but I think God is a Libertarian, pesonally. corner sofa
SJC48| 12.18.09 @ 8:17AM
This would be hilarious if these clowns weren't in charge - send Obozzo and his liberal freaks packing in 2010/2012.
davelnaf| 12.18.09 @ 8:35AM
Liberalism and the left in general is a relatively small part of the population; some estimates put it at no more than twenty percent. It is, nonetheless, a very, very vocal and demanding group. Its members dominate Washington and while a president—like the last one—might be relatively conservative there is a constant agitation among liberals there for him to foster and support liberal policies. Interestingly, President Reagan did not fall for it. He ignored the Sam Donaldson types and others that hectored him verbally and in print for his conservative policies. Conservative senators and congressmen come under the same pressure and most do not deal with it nearly as well. They should take Reagan’s example and patronize liberals when necessary, but otherwise ignore their demands and treat them as they deserve to be treated; after all, it is in the best interest of the country.
Swink| 12.20.09 @ 12:44AM
You are so right.
Doorgunner| 12.18.09 @ 8:38AM
Liberals also believe police officers can protect individual citizens from crime, and that those same officers (also known as 'the government')should be the only protection from crime a citizen may have... unless you're are an elite, able to afford armed bodyguards ala Rosie or George or Barbara etc..
bluecollarbytes| 12.18.09 @ 9:45PM
but only if the Cops use marginal force, willing to accept some level of physical injury to themselves so as to not violate the right of the criminal to an arrest that doesn't unduly harm them
i meant person of interest
Mattled| 12.18.09 @ 8:44AM
Like Tiger Woods, Oboogie and his fraudulent "happy" marriage will come crumbling down.
I told my uber-left in-laws over two years ago that I do not debate with liberals anymore.
One; they don't use/like facts. When I present them with one, they state I "made it up". Yeah, I created a time machine---went back decades, made LBJ say something, came back in my time machine, and voila! I made it up.
Two; they take both sides of an argument, claim ownership of both, and then somehow believe they are right. Oh, and they call it "nuance".
The more times goes by, the less we have in common.
The left is wired differently. Can't talk to them about anything they are so whacked in their thinking.
I call it the "China Bombed Pearl Harbor Syndrome". I once heard a woman complain about the Chinese buying large parts of Hawaii---stating that how dare they after bombing Pearl Harbor.
Once they believe something-----their facts are their "facts".
Better to bury your head in some American Spectator than talk to these ignoramuses.
Anybody have any good lefty moron stories?
Here's one; My mother-in-law went to see Good Night and Good Luck---George Clooney's McCarthy basher a few years ago.
When I informed her that Murrow's best friend committed suicide because he was outed as a Communist, she claimed I made it up. When I mentioned the Venona Tapes from 1994 confirmed that, she claims I made up the Venona Tapes.
Why bother?
David Williams| 12.18.09 @ 10:15AM
I thought it was the Germans who bombed Pearl Harbor.
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 12:07PM
David, you are wrong.
"Everybody" knows that Dick Cheney bombed Pearl Harbor.
I saw pictures on this great Web site. He's got that same evil, crooked smile on his face as he dive-bombs the Missouri that he has in the picture I saw of him planting explosives in Tower 1 on September 10.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:39PM
Yes, the Liberals call him Darth Vader.
Darth Vader| 12.20.09 @ 8:41PM
I object being compared to a cute, lovable fuzzball!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:53PM
Mattled,
I can so relate. My Mom (love you, Mom).. once exclaimed- "I can't believe you were born into this family!" Because that I'm a conservative and Republican.
(sigh).
thedancingmachine| 12.19.09 @ 11:28AM
Margie, I know what you mean; one day as I was talking with my mother about the Democrats being for abortion she informed me that Reagan was the person who was responsible for abortion being legal in America.
MTB| 12.18.09 @ 6:27PM
Exactly right, Mattled. Save your time and your breath. There is no talking or debating with a liberal. They are right, you are wrong. They're not interested in truth or logic or facts, only in winning the cause-de-jour.
Allen Churchill| 12.18.09 @ 8:49AM
This article needs to be made into regular skit on SNL- if it would not incite the producers and cast to riot...
Quin| 12.18.09 @ 10:07AM
Allen,
Hey, my friend, check your various email addresses. I sent you a note re Christmas.
Quin
Bilwick| 12.18.09 @ 8:51AM
You have to remember that it's a cult--the Cult of the State. Once you hand your mind over to a cult, you check your reasoning at the door, and you can believe anything the cult believes.
hoads| 12.18.09 @ 8:58AM
You are not kidding that they really believe that everyone agrees with them. I just saw Ilyse Hogue representing moveon.org on C-SPAN this morning. Steve asked her what she thought of the tea party movement and how it compared to moveon and she replied (paraphrasing): "Even though I think they are a grassroots movement, they represent a fringe group whereas we at moveon represent mainstream America."
I kid you not.
JNR| 12.18.09 @ 1:34PM
She also cited the polling evidence that most Americans want the option to sign up for a publicly-run health insurance plan. And exactly how many Americans do you think believe Obama=Hitler anyway?
Tony in Central PA| 12.18.09 @ 9:06AM
To borrow a term from G.K. Chesterton, we live in an age not of common sense, but of uncommon nonsense. Its an age where the concept of truth itself has become meaningless to many people. That's the only explanation for how an ethos like " postmodern " liberalism can achieve any power.
So the President can tell us in April that our nation is essentially broke, then go on to author almost 2 trillion dollars in " Stimulus " spending this year that will accomplish no economic result. He can then tell us this week that " our nation will go bankrupt " if his health care proposal isn't passed, even though experts in our own government report it will increase costs 2 trillion dollars. Its all true and none of its true. It doesn't matter because there's no such thing as the truth. There's only what the special people want.
MTB| 12.18.09 @ 6:34PM
And don't forget that the American people are stupid, so they're going to believe whatever the president and the liberals in Congress tell them. Much like Chicken Little/Henny Penny, the people will believe the sky is falling if we tell them it is. I know the majority of Americans were foolish enough to elect this bunch of leftists, I sincerely hope they're not foolish enough to believe these scare tactic lies.
Red Bubba| 12.19.09 @ 8:36AM
Love G.K. Chesterton - "It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged."
S L Toddards's Inner Child| 12.18.09 @ 9:15AM
Gee, Hillyer, you list those beliefs as though they're wrong. You right wingers. Always so hung up on reality.
Don't you know that wishing makes it so? Don't you know that America exists ONLY to be a punching bag for those of us who are superior citizens of the world?
That's why George Bush's warrantless wiretaps - which were used against citizens exactly ZERO times - is tyranny, while Obama's continuation of that policy - and his monitoring of social networking cites and admonitions to good liberals to turn in their neighbors if they voice disagreement with health care - is patriotism.
Gitmo should be expunged from the face of the earth while ACORN MUST be permitted to further permeate and corrode the levers and switches of government power and spread its toxic thuggery to every nook and cranny of American life.
Yup. It's good to be the king of Vanity Land, where up is down, good is bad, in is out, right is wrong, promiscuity is prudence, amorality is moral, life is death, freedom is slavery, war is peace, corruption is purity, hedonism is love, bigotry is tolerance, theft is generosity, spiritality is oppression, and, of course, the constitution is unconstitutional
Tune in next week: I'm going to declare gravity null and void.
Jeff| 12.18.09 @ 2:36PM
But why do liberals believe this crazy stuff? Any ideas?
MTB| 12.18.09 @ 6:36PM
They're brain damaged.
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 7:02PM
Because we are smarter that you.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 12.20.09 @ 7:25PM
S.L. Toddard's Inner Child, huh. Love the name, but You have my sympathy for being the "inner child" of a pompous, arrogant blowhard. That's not being an "inner child", that's child abuse. I look forward to you declaring gravity null & void next week. Maybe you can declare your outer nitwit, S.L. Toddard, himself null & void as well.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.18.09 @ 9:20AM
Quin,
Great piece!
In my lighter moods, I get the same ROTFL when I peer through their lenses. (ie:kaledioscopes)
Then I slide into a more sober mood and I picture a bunch of five year olds out on a gymnasium floor covered with priceless cut crystal champagne glasses...holding baseball bats.
(I actually copy/pasted WORKING STIFF'S comment above to my permanent documents.)
But, Quin, we all understand that five year olds have a very hazy line between fantasy and reality. We all understand that they have a very hazy grasp of cause and effect, and sometimes those qualities produce hilarious results, (if properly supervised by reasonable adults.)
So, in the final analysis, we "adults" have proven not to be reasonable or properly supervising these infantile big people. My Lord, we have allowed them to vote our government into power!
In addition, these infantile big people are being led by evil grown ups, and we have let them take candy from those strangers. Quin, those "evil strangers" now hold our nuclear codes...and they hold the infantile big people...in a life-long trance.
So I think I have finally defined "liberal".
Thank you and Working Stiff for helping.
Louis Jenkins| 12.18.09 @ 11:07AM
Yes Old Texican, we have allowed these brigands and thieves to be voted into power. They can dress themselves up and claim to be leaders doing what is best for the country, but dressing up a jackass like a show horse only gets you a jackass. Obviously we didn't work hard enough and slept through the election process. I know of common everyday people who voted for these "show horses" and I can only assume that they were on drugs, or temporarily overcome by noxious "cabon dioxide" poisoning. Now it is up to those who believe in this nation, its Constitution, and adhere to the principles of Faith, to clean this mess up.
Still Amused?| 12.18.09 @ 9:23AM
Three Undemocratic Temptations – by Tony Blankley
As the Democrats in Congress approach the end of a frustrating first year’s legislative effort, their leaders and the White House are being tempted by three possible shortcuts around the regular lawmaking process.
Though the Democrats have a majority of 20 seats in the Senate and 79 seats in the House, now, just a week before Christmas, the speaker [1] of the House, the Senate majority leader and the White House have failed — so far — to pass into law their desired legislation in the matters of 1) health care provision and financing, 2) public debt and deficit reduction, and 3) carbon regulation and taxation.
Given the extraordinary effects such policy changes would have on the American economy and the American way of life, to enact such changes without benefit of informed majority votes in the House and Senate would be in violation of the constitutional process — certainly in spirit, perhaps in form.
The schemes, I suppose, are thought to be clever. On health care, because the Constitution requires revenue bills to originate in the House, the plan would take the shell of a minor House revenue bill, and then inserted in it would be the entire final health bill (called a Senate “manager’s amendment”), negotiated largely among Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and such other party leaders as are necessary to ensure that the bill would pass both houses.
Then, with only minutes’ notice, they could pass it in the Senate and hours later in the House, and it would be on the president’s desk within a few more hours for his signature.
The provisions never would be seen or comprehended by most of even the Democratic Party members of the House and Senate. Certainly the public would have no chance to hear about the details, let alone a chance to contact [1] their congressmen to express opinions.
(By contrast, the original Medicare bills were designated as H.R. 1 and S. 1 in January 1965. The House bill moved forward to markup in the Ways and Means Committee and then to passage on the floor of the House on April 8, by a vote of 313-115. The Senate approved its version July 9, 68-21. A conference [1] committee worked for more than a week in mid-July to reconcile 513 differences between the two versions of the bill. President Lyndon Johnson then signed the Medicare bill into law, July 30, 1965.)
On the public debt and deficit crisis, the White House, Senate Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad, Judd Gregg (the ranking Republican on the Senate Budget Committee) and other leaders (but not Speaker Pelosi, yet) want Congress to create a bipartisan commission [1] that would have authority to add new taxes and rewrite all the tax codes, all the entitlement laws and any other laws affecting revenues or expenses in order to reduce the deficit to no more than 3 percent of gross domestic product. In other words, the commission could transmogrify the entire body of U.S. law, and then — reporting back to Congress after the election — each house of Congress would have one unamendable up-or-down vote.
What a shocking abrogation of representative government. This is not a matter of policy; it is a matter of constitutional process. Even our friends at the left-wing Daily Kos condemned this as “particularly galling” and favorably quoted the “strong opposition” statement of the progressive Campaign for America’s Future, as do I:
“Those supporting this circumvention of the normal process have stated openly the desire to avoid political accountability. Americans — seniors, women, working families, people with disabilities, young adults, children, people of color, veterans, communities of faith and others — expect their elected representatives to be responsible and accountable for shaping such significant, far-reaching legislation.”
Amen, my brothers and sisters [1] of the left. The day that either of us loves our constitutional process less than we would love to see some particular policy enacted — that’s the day democracy dies in America.
Finally, as the White House does not expect to be able to pass a cap-and-trade bill in the Senate, it has announced that it intends — without benefit of legislation — to have the Environmental Protection Agency regulate (i.e., tax, restrict or prohibit) any source that emits as little as 250 tons of carbon dioxide a year (or, in some cases, 100 tons). At 250 tons a year, the kitchen in a restaurant, the heating system in an apartment or office building, or the running a family farm would trigger federal regulation; potentially, more than 1 million buildings, 200,000 manufacturing operations and 20,000 farms would fall under the arbitrary power of the state.
Of course, all these methods have been used before — commissions to decide base closings or Social Security changes, sharply interpreted expansion of regulatory authority over some small new category of creature or process, middle-of-the-night legislative passage of a pork-laden spending bill.
But the proposals before us now are of such a magnitude as to transform American life and work as we have known it. To have such momentous decisions made in the backroom by a half-dozen leaders (without the public’s having a chance to comment) and then to have it rubber-stamped by obedient backbench representatives and senators who have not even asserted their prerogative to read the bills they are told to vote for — if that were to happen, then our people’s Congress would become like the lackey-filled old Soviet Parliament.
To paraphrase Hannah Arendt: For the leaders to “speak in the form of commanding” and for the rank and file to “hear in the form of obeying” is not a transaction between free people.
Whatever the motives of their leaders, it is within the power — and it is the duty — of the rank-and-file members of Congress to insist on regular legislative order. Their careers — to say nothing of the republic — may require that insistence.
bluecollarbytes| 12.18.09 @ 9:57PM
Humor is a bit premature, maybe, but counting on Obama to fail at his power grabs is definitely.
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 7:09PM
Just Trust Me!
No one will care about what was required after I've made the country into a utopia.
Deborah D| 12.18.09 @ 9:26AM
"Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them. " George Orwell
Perfect description of a liberal.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 11:49AM
That would explain their schizophrenia.
victor| 12.20.09 @ 8:39PM
And that would explain why they don't mind paying for everything twice.
Margie| 12.20.09 @ 11:09PM
Yes, but it has to be from your wallet.
Jim| 12.18.09 @ 9:50AM
These kinds of articles do nothing for real conservatism. I suppose it makes some of us feel better, but it's not particularly accurate. And it convinces no one on the other side of aisle. It's about a half step better than name calling.
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 12:14PM
Let me guess: Your solution is to extend an olive branch in the name of understanding, to reach across the aisle, to sit down with those who are trying to destroy us and ensure them that we mean them no harm.
"Not particularly accurate" my ass. Of course the afflicted don't recognize the malady.
It's 100 percent on target - if anything it understates the liberal mindset.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:47PM
Another typical Liberal behavior there.. accuse us of name calling when we tell the truth. In your case, this time... it's "just short of..." ha!
Jeff| 12.19.09 @ 11:47AM
It seems accurate to me. What part of it is "not particularly accurate"?
victor| 12.19.09 @ 6:42PM
"not particularly accurate" is a weasel phrase, in that he knows something is accurate, but he cannot admit to saying so.
Something is either accurate, or it is not.
No such thing as being partially accurate.
That's like being partially pregnant.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 12.20.09 @ 7:30PM
Michael Smerconish, is that you?
victor| 12.20.09 @ 8:33PM
or David Frum?
or Kathleen Parker?
or David Gergen?
or David Brock?
or David Brooks?
or Bruce Bartlett?
or Slo Dance Toddard?
Anthony| 12.18.09 @ 9:53AM
O.K., Quin has eloquently exposed liberalism for the pernicious idiocy and danger that it poses. Question is, what are we going to do about it, and when? Tick tock...tick tock...
Road Kill| 12.18.09 @ 10:54AM
This article only enforces disbelief to the condition of this society/nation. As said, up is down and lies are to be truths. Representational government is now dictatorship, freedom is exchanged for reparations, death of the unborn and the aged is beneficial, accomplishments are now shameful, and the entitlement monkies, now the ruling class, have replaced the productive.
The time is drawing near. Clean 'em and stack 'em. Post the pickets and listening posts! They will advance in the early morning darkness when the senses are least aware.
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 11:17AM
This is a huge problem - for one, this talk of a third "Tea Party" party is ill advised. It's ok by me if the Tea Party folks take over the GOP, but a third party will simply fracture the conservative vote - the very same thing that brought us Bill Clinton.
Second, even if the GOP were comandeered by the Tea Party mentality, we would very quickly find ourselves betrayed by the "reformers" we elect - as Pete Townsend said, "Meet the New Boss - Same as the Old Boss."
The reason is the way government is now constructed. Our elected officials immediately become ensconced in a world where they are seduced and intoxicated by power - even those who resist. Why? Becuase they're guaranteed huge benefits for life, they deal with lobbyests far more often than they deal with constituents, and the apparatus of government has become to big, and too inertial, for anyone to resist. Government grew under Reagan - not because he was a hypocrite or succumbed to Washington's Ways - it was because the bureaucracy is far, far bigger than any one reformer - or any group of reformers. Look how quickly the Contract for America devolved - and its one shining victory, Welfare reform, has been neutered in any case.
The fact is, as Tytler said, once a populace realizes they can vote themselves goodies from the Federal Treasury, it's OVER. And really, liberalism comes down to that in the end.
I think it'll take a herculean effort, starting with a 5-million taxpayer seige of - not march on - Washington that is so big that big media cannot ignore it because they won't be able to leave their homes becuase the streets will be clogged with people.
I also think we need to have conservatives with deep pockets step up and take over some mainstream media outlets. We have to change the culture in this country. Because it has devolved to empty posturing, where "caring" is measured by how willing you are to steal from person "A" to give to person "B" - picking up not only a halo for yourself, but skimming a bit off the top in the process.
It's going to take a massive awakening of the silent majority, of conservatives like me who are very busy with their lives and don't typically turn to government for answers - in short, it's going to take a revolution - it can be peaceful or it can get ugly, but that's the only way things are going to change.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:26PM
Hi Grz,
I'm glad you said what you did about the Third Party route being no good, and how it will bring us another Bill Clinton. And what it will without a DOUBT bring us is another Obama Admin.~~ This is SO important to get across to people.
I'm glad you said it because you have a lot of respect in here from the readers.
I know you fell just sort of saying it... but the truth is that we all have to vote Republican.
Like Sarah Palin said recently~ We have a 2 party system in this country, and that she is in agreement with its conservative planks.. this is where I am too. IF it were a reality to be able to vote third party and win, it'd be one thing, but it isn't.
And like Rush basically said~ Name me a Socialist or a Marxist in the Republican Party! There aren't any!
~You know my spiel, I've been saying it for months.
There is only one answer. Am I right or wrong?
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 12:50PM
Margie, I agree completely - with you and with Sarah Palin.
As I say, I think a lot of it is that the system is so rigged now that even principled Republicans have little chance of going against the tide - let alone the RINOs, of which there are too many.
True, there are no Marxists in the Republican party, but I do wonder about socialists - far be it from me to demur from Rush, with whom I agree more than any other conservative pundit - but if it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it's a duck, even if you call it a goose.
It's not that any Republicans are dyed-in-the-wool socialists, but there are too many who are ideologically weak, and membership in "the club" overrides their original intent such that, hey, who are they to fight the deluge of Big Government? Might as well swim with the current.
For example, I think Charlie Crist would be happy to go where ever the wind takes him. And I think the Bush family's innate sense of Noblesse Oblige pushes them dangerously close to socialism - what else is compassionate conservativism? It's agreeing with Democrats the Government is sometimes the answer when in fact it is NEVER the answer.
I think in his mind Bush was a conservative, but he ceded far too much ground to libs - never vetoing a bill in his first term, letting Ted Kennedy write the education bill, Social Security, illegal alien amnesty and on and on and on.
I worry about a guy like Romney - he's extremely competent and he's properly oriented and, I think sincere - but I fear he'd be pushed around by the Washington zeitgeist - he's a competent manager, not a leader of men (and his performance in the 08 campaign - in which I supported him - was very, very disappointing).
We need a true leader, and those are rare. That's why so many of us are looking to Palin, and I really hope she has the mojo - but it hasn't been proven to me - yet - that she does (but believe me, I'm rooting for her).
Now they'e talking about Pawlenty. So far, I'm not that impressed, but I'm willing to be persuaded!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 1:04PM
Grz,
You are so spot-on as they say, in your assessments! (at least I think so).
In fact... have you ever thought of running for office? You've got the right mind, and are super smart. You've got a great command of the language.. in short, you've got what it takes. I'm not kidding. Ever considered?
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 1:14PM
Margie, you are very, very kind.
I have thought about it - Unfortunately, I had a fairly wild youth, and I think by the time the media researchers got to my antics in fifth grade, that would be it for me.
Not that I was horrible - but let's just say I unofficially minored in do-it-yourself pharmacology in college and grad school.
I always wanted to persuade people in other ways, and, frankly, I never thought our society would devolve to the point it has.
But you never know. If I were a liberal, my past would be, as Rush says, a resume enhancer!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 1:21PM
Well you'd have all our votes that's for sure. I had a similar past myself. Never finished H.S. But I dare say.. there is more right-mindedness amongst us "unknowledgeables" and "know-nothings" as the Libs love calling us, than the entire Democrat Party.
God bless you Grz! (appologies for putting you on the spot).
Grzmlyk| 12.18.09 @ 1:58PM
Well, you seem to have a pretty clear-eyed perspective on life.
As for me, well, like anyone, there's both good and not-so-good in my past. But a lot of the not-so-good was typical youthful rebellion mixed with an inability to handle frustration.
In any case, God save us from the intellectuals. it's the "Unknowledgeables" and "know-nothings" who live in the real world.
It's the intellectuals who live in the playground fantasyland of academia and government - and they're the ones who've single-handedly caused 90% of the problems we've had in this country since the turn of the 19th century!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 2:48PM
Yep. Typical youthful rebellion. Me too! But now I try and use that same "drive" for the truth. Obviously so do you, and most of us here!
You're a real encouragement, Grz. I'd say.. don't give up that inkling inside of a run for office (there I go again). Now consider this: You'd likely have Sarah Palin endorsing you!! :^)
~ And I do pray God saves us from the "intellectuals".. He could use our help though at the voting booth! (I know.. nag, nag.)
Keep writing Grz.. and writing and writing and writing!
Matt Morehouse| 12.20.09 @ 1:33PM
With a name like that he could never get elected.
Ray| 12.18.09 @ 3:39PM
"It's ok by me if the Tea Party folks take over the GOP, but a third party will simply fracture the conservative vote - the very same thing that brought us Bill Clinton. "
I don't think that's true. After all, it was the creation of a "third party," specifically the break up of the Democratic Republicans into the Democrats and the Republicans that allowed Conservatism to advance and flourish for almost 100 years. It is the belief on the "two party rule,":especially in the last 20 years, than has caused Conservatism to flounder in the Republican Party.
As both party's know that a lot of Americans , like yourself, believe that a third party, a party independent from the two major parties, is not a viable threat to the existence of those two parties, this belief has lead to both parties become virtually indistinguishable in their proposed legislation and in their actions, the votes they cast.. It doesn't matter any more what the stated ideals of the members of two party's are, they both are becoming indistinguishable in their actions, especially their voting patters and election strategies. (one of those strategies, by the way, is to claim, again and again, that a third party is not a viable idea in America and would actually be detrimental to our system of government even though the two party system itself has become detrimental to our system of government. But nether party want yet another party in which to compete with, so let's go there, shall we? That would hurts their election chances, does it not?)
Contrary t the claims of the member of the two party system, it is the existence of a their party, the threat of an interruption of the shared power of the two parties, that allows members of a particular party to actually follow their own stated ideals and not feel obliged to follow the "party line" and cast votes that are in direct opposition to their stated ideals.
Once a member of a particular party realizes that they can find support of their ideals OUTSIDE the main parties while maintain the ability to affect law, and one the rest of the members of those parties realize this ability, the members of any given party will be more inclined to vote according to their beliefs as the coercive power of any party is reduce when any given member has several sources of support.
The more choices a given politician has in finding sources of support OUTSIDE their own party, the more likely they are to follow their own ideals and beliefs rather than having to accede to the majority in their own party in which to find support.
Therefor, the existence of a viable third party, whether that party has a majority or not, is actually a benefit to the representation of one's own constitutions than a limitation a two-party system imposes uopn them through those two party's control of access and support structures.
In other words, the addition of a third party will force politicians to be more accountable to their constituency and less accountable to the party itself. For when a politician can be actually held accountable for their state goals as a representative, as is likly when there is a good possibility that a THIRD party candidate will be a better representative to the constituency, something the two party system reduces, the more likely that politician will actually abide by the wishes and demands of their constituency rather than their fellow party members.
So, you want to see more Conservatives in Government? Well, you're not going to see that happen that as long as people, like yourself, believe that a third party would be detrimental to America. It is the threat of a third party, the threat of another source of support, where you'll see politicians acting according to their stated goals and believes as opposed to following the party line or risk losing the support and access that party offers in exchange for a politician's vote.
If you need an example of the power of a third party, look to the Clinton years, especially the 1992 election and the result that election had on the Republican Party. . The support that the Reform party received during that election, 15 percent of the popular vote, directly lead to the creation of the Republican's "Contract with America." Had the Reform party not garnered so much support amongst "ordinary" Americans' that "contract,' and the resurgence of Conservatism amongst the Republican we witnessed at that time, would never have occurred.
Once the Reform party was no longer a threat, one it lost support amongst the American people, that "Contract with America" was abandoned and the Republicans, one again, became almost indistinguishable from Democrats, all because they didn't face the competition for office form a third party.
jj cambell| 6.26.10 @ 2:07PM
NO it will divide the vote. The only thing we can do is stick together and be sure we fight to put a strong conservative leader who will respect the constitution in office. I believe the progressives will try to divide us on nit pic issues. We cannot let that happen. When you read some of the blog sites you can see that beginning to happen.
We all no that divided we will fail. They have 80 progressives in congress and 3 in the senate. These Progressives must be voted out please spread the word no votes for Progressives.
martin j smith| 12.18.09 @ 4:53PM
The prime focus for the election of 2010 is : "get rid of the Democrats period. That means channel all energy into that one goal. No deviations of third parties. And, it should be made clear that that try this are sabateurs of the left. Any third party candidate should be equated with the Democrat left. This is a very practical issue .
As to the curruption thru power- it does not matter who is control. Power currupts. I suspect that the best that can be achieved is divided government where no one party has total control.
As to the issue of the media thius is a serious problem indeed. It is ironic that the forces that have MSM control are the same ones who call for the "fairness doctrine" I think that if one wants to talk along those lines then all ,media should be subjected to "fairness doctrines and that means for example that CNN is required to have conservative commentators or PBS is required to have real conservatives ( not your David Brooks phonies ) etc etc. And yes, it would be preferable not to depend only on"fair and balanced" Fox News Just some random thoughts from a random
citizen.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 5:54PM
Excellent as you say "random thoughts" Melvin.
The Third Partiers ought to join forces with the Republicans if they want to root out the Leftist Obama & Gang. Otherwise they are siding with the enemy. Plain and simple.
~More random thoughts from yet another random citizen!
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 7:18PM
I encourage conservatives to form a new political party. There is room for 3-4 different right of center political parties in this counrty.
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John Blake| 12.18.09 @ 10:57AM
Atavistic Regressives, ATRs, truly do not believe these oft-stated points.
First, they are radically ill-intentioned-- Luddite sociopaths compelling rule-or-ruin, rent-seekers who as last-man-standing corrupt processes to avoid all competition.
Second, subversive to the core, they grimly "deconstruct" New Realities divorced from fact, even from reason-- always with the sense that extorting Something-for-Nothing immunizes them to real-world risk/reward. No argument, no compromise has any weight, for raging narcissistic ideologues envision worlds only in their own supremely self-indulgent images. Context, perspective-- nothing matters. Any who presume to reason with such monomaniacal egoists only join them in conniving at civil society's active dissolution.
Third, in confronting reality all ATRs default to zero: Behind not-so-normative facades lurks a death-eating nihilism close kin to the Islamic mullah-dullahs of whom they are so fond ("We love death more than life", proclaimed their magical prophet's 7th Century cohorts, invoked by 18th Century Wahabi cultists to this day). When ATRs obsessed with mirrors find that reflections conflict with their self-images, as they always do, their response is to destroy the mirrors. Shattering everything of course means, "after you."
Always and everywhere, cultures/societies which fall prey to deep-seated psycho-temperamental follies discover that the only cure is radical extirpation on all fronts. Compromise with ATRs is death, for death means victory to them-- disease, ignorance and impoverishment, reversion to serfdom if not slavery is their professed stock-in-trade. Since the Enlightenment, "Erase the infamy" has been sanity's urgent battle-cry (Voltaire).
The hour is late. As shadows lengthen, evening falls, now on the threshold of resurgent Ice Time we face a new Dark Age "made more sinister and perhaps more protracted by the lights of perverted science" (Churchill, 1942). Without exaggeration, radical evil threatens to blast humanity's hard-won Life and Light worldwide. Action, not words, is all that stands between us and Statists' horrific Golden Calves. Meantime, who blesses tyranny betrays us all.
Gerld Stephens| 12.18.09 @ 11:15AM
EVERYBODY...
Cheer up! The condition of warped delusion shall be remedied. Other than suffering through this initial onslaught on the senses, we should in fact be grateful for the opportunity to commence a treatment for their insanity.
The diagnosis is confirmed, the criteria required for aggressive intervention.
Gerald Stephens
Hartford, CT
Oldefarte| 12.18.09 @ 12:14PM
In addition to 'laughing at the left', I suggest everyone read one of the editorials on ATLAS SHRUGS today that suggests severals ways to fight [non-violently] these domestic terrorists' policies-----DEFUND AND DISOBEY. The suggestion is that if Republicans could win enough House seats in 2010 to obtain a majority, that it would be possible to [through a pledge from each/every Republican elected] to have as it mian goal the DEFENDING of their governmental programs/mandates/policies,etc. It's an interesting and [I think] viable political strategy. I suggest reading same and commenting/discussing here to possibly get some kind of movement started!!!!
Oldefarte| 12.18.09 @ 12:16PM
I meant above DEFUNDING, not DEFENDING!!!
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:29PM
Olde Fart~
I fully agree! It starts with our votes for the Republicans in 2010. Without this, we will most likely lose in 2012. (IMHO).
John M| 12.18.09 @ 12:21PM
This article outlines an impressive list of liberal beliefs which was further improved upon by Working Stiff. I would only add that what gives me a bemused chuckle is liberals’ conceit that they are somehow always the smartest people in the room simply by virtue of being liberal. I occasionally read the left-wing blogs when I have the stomach for it and notice how they often they refer to their supposedly greater intelligence. Unfortunately, in the mind of a liberal, intelligence and common sense are like oil and water – they don’t mix very well.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 12:32PM
To add to the list of Liberal (Socialist/Marxist) behaviors~
Take a look at what Obama said to a Congressman today concerning his wavering on the "Health Bill"-- "Don't think we're not keeping score, brother."
Add THREATENING your opposition if you don't get control, to the list~ even if it IS someone in their OWN Party.
Al Adab| 12.18.09 @ 12:32PM
Sad but true as both Hillyer and working stiff write. The Left actually does believe this stuff. It is their Faith, their Religion.
In another context Anthony Pagden writes ..."how do you convince peoples inured to the idea that authority derives from on high, that once you have seized power you have to do your best to hang on to it, and that you have a duty to use your position to favor family, friends and clients-how do you persuade such people that justice and good government demand that you make no personal gain from your office..."
Is that not the condition we face? Do not these people truly believe that their power exists to favor friends and clients?
If this is so should not we, like Hiomer's Achilles speak to power,
"if I must carry out every order you may happen to give me
"Tell other men to do these things, but give me no more commands
"since I for my part have no intention to obey you."
DaveS| 12.18.09 @ 12:46PM
The Left is a Church. It has its belief system. Ann Coulter said all you need to know in "Godless." It's also irrational - a long left turn away from the 'enlightened' rationalists of a few hundred years ago. It is immune to self-checking and peer checking (global warming) and cannot abide any criticism. It despises truth.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 1:11PM
Quin,
Great article~~and thanks for the forum you give us to have some sanity and goodwill, namely, fun!
Quin| 12.18.09 @ 2:15PM
Margie,
Thanks much. Also, if I remember correctly, you were the one last week who objected to an angry response I made that referenced "trolls." To answer your question, I was NOT referring to good readers like you who come here and debate and offer strong opinions without getting nasty. You add immeasurably to this site. I was instead angry at those who come on and insult other people (including me) by questioning motives or character, especially those who just air-drop in out of the blue and start throwing around words like "Quisling."
Anyway, keep firing away, pro or con, from where you are coming from. And thanks again for the nice words. I'm glad you liked this column. :)
Jeff| 12.18.09 @ 2:51PM
Great article.Why do liberals believe all these impossible things? Please explain.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 3:25PM
Jeff,
I wouldn't try too hard figuring it out. It'll give you migraines.
In brief though: We're all born liberal. Liberalism is all about good feelings, selfishness, I want what you got and if you don't give it to me I'll cry and demand it, etc. etc. When you grow up, you usually learn to give up those childish ways. Conservatives (or right-minded people) learn that the world doesn't revolve around them, that they need to make a living for themselves, that "it isn't all about me" that life isn't always fair, but that if you work hard you can make it because this is the land of plentious opportunity, etc.
The problem is, whether through our government run school system (mostly), and/or Parents who are Liberal and pass it on to their children, some don't learn to mature.
In a nutshell, that's it. Hope that helps. Anybody want to add to that?
Oh, what's that saying: "If you're not a conservative by the time you're 35, you have no brain." ~Winston Churchill.
Robert Pinkerton| 12.18.09 @ 3:29PM
One of Lewis Carroll's (sp?) queens, in Through the Looking Glass claimed to believe "... six impossible things before breakfast..."
Jeff, I do not profess any authority for my explanation, as it is speculation on my part (though speculation based on decades of observation), but I think the Left believes as it does because their beliefs are aesthetically pleasint to them, imprimis, then because their beliefs may be the only thing they know.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 3:00PM
Thanks, Quin!
*True confession. I'm no angel. I've been nasty too. After all these years of my life, I'm still having to learn to be humble.
God bless.
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Joe| 12.18.09 @ 1:41PM
I agree whole heartedly with you, Quinn, Karibou Kid and others. To Bad Alan brooks will be crying in 2012.
TheCat| 12.18.09 @ 2:05PM
Excellent!
Demetrius Minneapolis| 12.18.09 @ 2:19PM
Well thought out - 5 thumbs up!
TJK| 12.18.09 @ 2:38PM
I'd laugh if it wasn't for the fact these imbeciles are in power, and are very slowly destroying the very foudations that made this country great. I weep for our future generations, and a struggling to come to terms with the fact I no longer live in the country I was born in.
Ray| 12.18.09 @ 2:40PM
Here's a few more Left Wing beliefs:
Directly quoting a liberal is the intentional misrepresentation what they said.
Evolution is natural, and vital for the continuation of life on earth, but allowing, or causing, a species to become extinct (or even "endangered") is a "crime against nature" and threatens our very existence.
The basic component of all life, carbon, is a toxic pollutant which endangers all life, but only if that carbon is emitted by man in the form of CO2.
A developed country which enacts the most stringent environmental law on earth is a greater polluter, a greater threat to the planet, than a developing country which ignores it's own limited environmental laws.
Capital punishment is state-sponsored murder while abortion is "reproductive health care."
The US Constitution is applicable to everyone on earth, especially the Fifth Amendment, but Americans must abide by international law even when that law conflicts with the Constitution, ESPECIALLY the Fifth Amendment.
Slavery is a violation of our inalienable, individual rights while the intentional creation, harvesting, and destruction of human embryos for use in the research and development of stem cell tissue is a medical necessity and should be federal funded.
As Quine said, this could go on for page after page.
victor| 12.19.09 @ 6:44PM
"Directly quoting a liberal is the intentional misrepresentation what they said."
That is when they will say that you are taking them out of "context".
Everly Waverly| 12.18.09 @ 2:47PM
A recent and a favorite of mine is the music teacher who took her students to a restaurant, big enough to accommodate the group, albeit a "Hooters", for which she was suspended. I bet those same school administrators who suspended the teacher are at this moment looking through Kevin Jennings sex education pamphlets deciding on how to implement them, now that's funny...
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 3:05PM
A close family member (Liberal) told me that Hooters is a "Family Restaurant."
I guess that depends on the definition of Hooters and Family.
Al Adab| 12.18.09 @ 3:27PM
It was once said, "If hypocricy were oil, Washington D. C. would be Saudi Arabia."
BTW Margie, the other thread today is wonderful and you put it VERY well.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 3:35PM
Al Adab,
Never heard that one before, good one!
(and *ty* for the kindness.)
Richard Baker| 12.18.09 @ 3:22PM
DILLIGAF:
Agree with keeping them around. Rush says that they are needed as a reminder of what not to do.
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Soundstorm| 12.18.09 @ 4:44PM
Liberalism is the degenerative disorder of civilization. It always sets in sooner or later. Successive generations of leadership give way to the current soft domesticated breed that ages physically and is educated according to the liberal leftist dogma but is no more spiritually mature than a 10 year old. In time they overthrown by a rising barbarian horde. Unless of course, our own barbarian gentry vote them out first.
WRJonas | 12.18.09 @ 5:05PM
What a terrific piece by Quin Hillyer and a thoughtful add-on by commenter Ray. This comment board is about as good as they come.
Deng Feng| 12.18.09 @ 6:24PM
The correct term is LIE-BERAL.
victor| 12.19.09 @ 4:44PM
Actually, "liberal" is derived from the Old High English word for "Libeler": anything that is defamatory or that maliciously or damagingly misrepresents.
Hence, any democrat would fit the bill like a glove.
Liberal Reader| 12.18.09 @ 7:37PM
Mr Hillyer,
The anaphora that structures your essay ("They believe ... They believe... The left believes ... etc) is eloquent and, I suppose, effect rhetorically, but it betrays a flawed view of the American electorate.
Most people, as you know, aren't "liberals." Yet values and policies famously backed by "liberals" continue to be approved by a large percentage of the electorate. And of course there's a big mix out there: a person may love Medicare but resent affirmative action; a person may be pro-life but in favor of increased educational spending.
The only thing I see worth laughing at are the simpletons who buy into this kind of lame reductivism -- a reductivism that is, by the way, toxic to the body politic and a debasement of public discourse.
Truth to Power| 12.18.09 @ 9:21PM
Nice article Quin. I was wondering if there could be somebody so ridiculous and then exhibit A shows up. Thank you Liberal Reader for throwing in your two cents (that is probably generous). Your life is an illustration of foolishness but at least it serves an instructive purpose.
Liberal Reader| 12.18.09 @ 9:41PM
What do you know about my life, you presumptuous and supercilious jackass?
Is it not in your power to respond to the content of what I wrote?
victor| 12.19.09 @ 4:40PM
We know plenty, Hairy Reider, for instance,
You don't know much about history,
You don't know much economy,
You don't know much about a science book,
You don't know much about the math you took,
What you don't know about life
could fill the Rose Bowl.
Come back and talk to us when you can think for yourself and not repeat stuff from Barackopedia.
Ken Roberts| 12.19.09 @ 9:03AM
I know of no one that likes medicare it is a pile , I paid into it since 1965 I believe that is when it went in to effect . So instead of loving it I am stuck with it . I would like for it to go away if nothing else for the good of the country . We could phase it out by attrition , stop medicare for all under 30 and those that have a vested interest they could opt to place the money in a private account for their retirement . I of course would be stuck with it till I die because the governement has all the money I spent on it and I could not afford to pay for health care on my own. I do not hope for a public option as I have seen how a governement run post office thrives and also how medicare is a doctors and patients night mare. You are right about not many are liberals , the sad fact is they are in power now.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 7:45PM
Dear Liberal Reader,
My husband asked to ask you this~
Did you eat a dictionary for breakfast today, and it seems to be repeating all day?
Liberal Reader| 12.18.09 @ 10:21PM
Look. Not everyone sits around listening to Rush Limbaugh all day.
MOST Americans like Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid. MOST Americans want a PUBLIC OPTION in this healthcare bill.
However, many of the people who feel this way are conservative in many other ways. They don't like gay marriage, say, and they resent skyrocketing property taxes.
Pointing to a "they" who supposedly are guilty of all the sins of humanity is thoughtless and silly.
No matter how hard you try, you can only simplify things so much. The world's a complicated place. That's what you learn when you become an adult.
Margie| 12.18.09 @ 11:08PM
Well it IS really a pity that they can't listen to Rush for the 3 hrs. he's on. Which isn't all day.
As for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, Socialist Medicine.. I think you are very wrong. In fact I know you are. Those polls you like to quote. More people are finding out just exactly what Socialized Medicine is going to really do and their not liking it.
You see, when the American people are told the truth about things, we find that, as you say~~most are rather conservative!
But the Liberal Left are too busy lying about it all. And we're out there trying to let people know it's wrong.
If all of the above programs were explained properly and truthfully and taken care of by the private sector we wouldn't be in this HUGE mess to begin with.
And that IS very simple.
Oldefarte| 12.19.09 @ 3:08PM
Everyone wants Medicare, SS, and the Public Option------WHAT IN THE HELL HAVE YOU BEEN SMOKING, FOOL??????
victor| 12.19.09 @ 4:33PM
Hairy Reider:
"Look. Not everyone sits around listening to Rush Limbaugh all day."
All Day???
You're having kittens with only three hours of Rush, imagine if Rush was on for eight or ten hours, eh?
BTW if you realllly listened to Maharushie, you wouldn't be a stark ravin' liberal.
PS Right and Wrong, Left and Right and Good and Evil are basic and true concepts.
Even children know them.
What's your excuse?
Swink| 12.20.09 @ 1:44AM
You would do very well to 'sit around and listen to Rush Limbaugh all day.' Indeed. Try it.
Jeff Perren | 12.20.09 @ 3:29PM
"MOST Americans..." Whether true or not, it's irrelevant. My rights are not a matter of popularity; they're inalienable. Democracy can be as tyrannical as any other collectivist system. The Founders understood that, and therefore designed a Constitutional Republic, one that has been all but abandoned because of the adoption of Progressive ideas over the past century.
Yosemeti Sam| 12.19.09 @ 12:53AM
Liberals; Parasites; Commonality.
No laughing matter!
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Marc Jeric| 12.19.09 @ 6:12AM
From 1917 to 1955 they called themselves proudly "communists". After disclosure of Gulag mass murders they switched to "socialists". After the fall of the USSR (thanks, RR!) they changed to "liberals". As more and more people are getting wise to them they now call themselves "progressives". But it is still the same communist-nazi-fascist crowd as it has always been; they want absolute power, and they want it for ever.
"Social justice"! "Redistribution!" "Workers of the world - unite!" "Globaloney warming!" "Save the environment!" "Kill the capitalist swine!"
But don't touch my tenure!
Margie| 12.19.09 @ 12:32PM
I truly love your post, Mr. Jeric. You know what you say from personal experience as I believe you've mentioned before. Others of us know from reading history, and meeting others who went through it. Like my husband's Parents who escaped Nazism and Communism from Russia. This same spirit is now in the White House and sadly running our beloved country. May God have mercy on us and spare us.
God bless you, sir!
rascalofearth| 12.19.09 @ 5:06PM
your husband's parents were persecuted because they loved thier jesus differently than the nazi jesus. if we just all stop bowing down to men who pretend to know the will of jesus, as jefferson wrote in his virginia act we'de all be much better off.
http://religiousfreedom.lib.vi.....vaact.html
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Ken Roberts | 12.19.09 @ 8:48AM
I am surprised the liberals do not believe that Germany was the ones that Bombed Pearl Harbor. They are so condescending and so right in their thinking . I am about to throw up because we are in the hands of mad men and insane women ,Pelosi speaker ,wow? that is enough to make any one sick. A president who ignores the fraud on climate gate and goes to Chokinghogen where the libs live in perpetuity, and makes a bogus agreement, he does not understand that the house has to agree with two thirds majority before it has any teeth. I can't hardly wait till Christmas oops I meant November of 2010 I can't wait to get my present which would be a turn over of the house back to a conservative thinking people. My Christmas gift of 2012 will be a man/woman in the office of president again that will stand up to the bullies of the world including the ones we have here on the left..
rascalofearth| 12.19.09 @ 5:02PM
when you insult scandinavia with your ignorant and sophmoric slur are you basing it in firsthand observation? i ask because as i travel the globe i see how far behind America has fallen with regards to infrastructure. ....buily with the massive wealth shift from the US starting w NAFTA and massively accelerated by the Bush, passed in reconciliation in the middle of the night by holding open the vote and extra 2:45 hours.
we Americans have stopped growing taller, have negative national savings, are massively in debt, have a fifth of the nation w/o healthcare other than the most expensive emergency room care, crumbling infrastructure (when is the last time you heard of a highway bridge falling down in germany), no public mass transit outside of major urban/blue areas. basically we are a mess. and with genome technology the insurance companies have ebven more tools tool shift the most sick onto the taxpayer while keeping the profitable. this terrible health situation, and immense greed and stupidity by management, is why gm went bankrupt.
victor| 12.19.09 @ 6:48PM
rascalofearth:
"when..................bankrupt"
You are a product of the government education system, aren't you?
PS Germany bombed Pearl Bailey.
Gazinya| 12.19.09 @ 9:19AM
I think I would like to see the GOP ask Sarah Palin if she would like to 'immediately' replace M.Steele as the Repub chair. I would like to have Mrs. Palins' opinion on who the GOP would invest $900,000 on. I could pretty much guess it would be anymore RINOs or Scozofozzas. This could give the consevatives choses for 2010 and could get a Congress that Mrs. Palin et.al.. could work with to restore our Country to us.
Gazinya| 12.19.09 @ 9:21AM
Poop! I left out the word 'not'. You can guess where it should go.
Margie| 12.19.09 @ 1:06PM
Gazinya,
That sounds so good. If she does that, could she still run for President too? Either way with her at the helm of the RNC, she'd be able to figure out the best man for the job anyway.
Talk about major shake up!!
Richard Baker| 12.19.09 @ 9:34AM
Margie:
When one has nothing to say, use $10 words to mask and obscure the fact.
Margie| 12.19.09 @ 1:16PM
In the words of Richard DeNero "You talkin' to me?" You sayin' I use $10..o woids? Why, I nevah paid more than $1.50 ea. for 'em!"
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deeplyamerican| 12.19.09 @ 11:52AM
Conservatism has a long and justifiably proud tradition in this country, and is as American as apple pie. However, it has dramatically changed over recent decades with the emergence of the more secular rightism of Barry Goldwater and especially the New Right activism under the leadership of folks like (the late) Paul Weyrich and Irving Kristol, Norman Podhoretz, and others. That is, it has dramatically devolved to a dogma driven ideological movement and relentless cultural warfare. Recall that the aforementioned Paul Weyrich founded the Heritage Foundation and also the Moral Majority with Jerry Falwell. In fact, Weyrich coined the phrase “moral majority”. As one of the foremost conservative leaders of our time, his influence on conservative policy and practices cannot be overstated. What should concern free-spirited Americans of all stripes are the avocations made by him and others of the New Right persuasion, perhaps best exemplified in his publication “Integration of Theory and Practice” wherein he states:
From Paul Weyrich's training manual -
1.Falsehoods are not only acceptable, they are a necessity. The corollary is: The masses will accept any lie if it is spoken with vigor, repetition, energy and dedication.
2.It is necessary to be cast under the cloak of “goodness” whereas all opponents and their ideas must be cast as “evil.”
3.Complete destruction of every opponent must be accomplished through unrelenting personal attacks.
4.The creation of the appearance of overwhelming power and brutality is necessary in order to destroy the will of opponents to launch opposition of any kind.
Sound familiar??
Over the course of the Fall campaign and since his inauguration, our President has been subjected to all manner of vulgar, belligerent, hateful speech from the Conservative Hate Machine. Here are some documented examples uttered by Republican officials and supporters .... that have appeared both in the media and on numerous right-wing journalistic forums and at rallies.
He's a “Muslim” .. he's an “Islamic Fascist” .. he's, he's an “Arab” .. he's the “Messiah” .. he's the “Savior” .. he's “Barack the magic negro” .. he's a “member of Hamas” ... he “hates America” .. he's “Godless” .. he's “that one” .. he's a “Socialist” .. he's a “Racist” .. he's the “Anti-Christ” .. he's a “Communist” .. he's “Evil” .. he's a “Nazi” .. he's a “Gangsta Rapper” .. he's a “Traitor” .. he wants to “euthanize the elderly” .. he's a “fascist dictator” .. he's a “Jihadist” .. he's “gonna take away our guns” .. “Kill him, Kill him” .. “Off with his head” .. he's an “Illegal Alien” .. he “forged his birth certificate” .. he's “Adolf Hitler” .. he's a “Terrorist”.. he “should be buried with Kennedy”.
Does this look like the kind of speech one would expect from true American patriots .. or does this sound more like mob speech? Wouldn't a true American say “he's our “President”? The late Paul Weyrich would be proud of this ad hominem belligerence. Abraham Lincoln would be deeply ashamed.
But the current mainstream GOP doesn't stop with offensive hate speech. Indeed, here's a more recent demonstration of morality and American spirit coming from these protectors of American values .. on display at the Capital during the GOP's Thursday, November 5 mob rally against health insurance reform led by the House Republicans. Prominently displayed at our our Nation's Capital in front of the speaker podium was a large banner containing a terrible Holocaust image showing a pile of dead, naked, emaciated bodies that reads National Socialist Health Care, Dachau Germany, 1945.
Dachau Germany, 1945? Government take-over?
True Conservatives are inherently skeptical .. cautious .. even loath to take leaps of “faith”. Historically, they greatly value empiricism and are resolutely guided by it in policy formulations. .. and they are pragmatic. The party also has progressive roots, valuing incremental change over revolutionary shifts. Sadly, this empiric discipline has been replaced by dogma, hubristic confabulation and a descent into hysteria. And, in the face of the catastrophic failure of “supply-side” economics .. driven by a party that controlled the Presidency, Congress, or Both for the last 14 years prior to the last election, the GOP has mired themselves and this country in a miasma of failed policies. They've also burdened this country with a legacy of debt. As a factual matter, since 1945, four of every five dollars of added national debt were accumulated under Republican presidents, a total of $7 trillion. Blinded by ideology .. they are unable to come to terms with what they've done and are desperate, in the Weyrich tradition, to destroy anything that runs counter to their failed beliefs. Worse still, the GOP has codified all this into a “true republican” litmus test that is antithetical to many of its progressive roots, and antagonistic to all those in the party that advocate reform.
I don't think this is what John Adams had in mind for the American colonies. True pragmatic, working, deliberative Conservatism evolved well into the 20th century .. as exemplified by the Eisenhower and Rockefeller Republicans (now derisively called RINOs .. Republicans In Name Only). In its place, the current Grand Old Party's conservatism has devolved to a sad, twisted, ideologically driven parody of its former self .. a parody that came to devastating fruition under Ronald Reagan and G.W Bush, now led by hate radio talk show and television hosts. Sadly for all of us, this pestilence of failure will be with us for years to come.
Margie| 12.19.09 @ 12:44PM
If only you put as much gusto as you just did in your post toward the Left (enemy), you'd be really saying something.
Tom Anderson| 12.19.09 @ 12:44PM
The earth 6 billion years old? Where does he get this figure?
rascalofearth| 12.19.09 @ 4:52PM
heretic!!!!!!!! we must burn him for denying the jesus' version of earth's geology.
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George| 12.19.09 @ 4:39PM
I have a nagging fear that Obama still has a year to figure out how to discontinue elections. The constitution means nothing to him and he has plenty of Czars around him now to impose his rule :(
rascalofearth| 12.19.09 @ 4:50PM
you protest too much. it was bush and the gop that actually developed a plan to postpone our elections as part of thier destruction of 600 years of rughts for the common man. it was bush who revoked the great writ and the gop that had protested arrested for thie freakin t shirts and it is the gop who shows up armed to Presidential events. eveyone with a weapon needs to protest at the 2112 gop convention and lets see how they react to our 2nd amendment.
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 7:29PM
Why would I want to cancel elections?
As a great man once said ".It doesn't matter who votes .. it matters who counts the votes"
rascalofearth| 12.19.09 @ 4:47PM
this list of supposed left beliefs is laughable. many of the statements are just complete falsehoods.
"not the choice of where to send their children to school. "
tell me where a parent is not allowed to choose a school, including home schooling, for their children? there is no such place. what god's own party wnats is to take tax payer dollars, my heard earned pay, from me against my will and give it directly to religious groups that i politically oppose and whio are already heavily subsidizid by me with my tax dollars against my will. we need a hyde amendment to drain the for prifit religious swamp that has raped and covered up the rapes of hundreds of thousands of children.
Richard Baker| 12.19.09 @ 6:06PM
rascalofearth:
Do you get out much? Did Bush also cause the obesity epidemic, earthquakes, tornadoes, and hurricanes? I was unaware of how much power he possessed. Amazing that he left office, at all, isn't it?
Anonymous| 12.19.09 @ 7:31PM
This just in: Left/liberals also believe that you can improve healthcare by force everyone to pay $2000 morea a year in taxes (even the people who couldn't afford health insurance in the first place) for worse care tha before. (They go 60 votes, folks!)
jeff| 12.20.09 @ 1:31AM
Don't forget that those schmucks have hundreds of billions of taxpayers dollars to spend, and the record shows thay are totally shameless about being political hacks. It will be spent for maximum political effect.
If there's one thing they are good for, it's politics. Their leadership is career politicians, govt. employees and lawyers. They are students of sociology and linguistics .
Even when defeated, they can rely on the courts to defend what they've put in place. Note that after years of stalling any judicial appointments, they now seek to create many hew judge positions - it's a lot like Roosevelts "court packing" scheme.
And remember that Roosevelt got elected four times, all the while attacking business during a depression. And destroying produce. And splashing money around to where it did the most political good.
JmsA| 12.20.09 @ 1:42AM
I don't believe Mr. Clinton is laughing very hard tonight; Ms. Lewinsky just attested to his lying to the Grand Jury.
RadicalAmericanPatriot| 12.20.09 @ 2:14AM
Quinn: Like Nero fiddling as Rome burned, You are laughing the U.S.A. is being destroyed! There is nothing funny about these Neo-Marxists are doing. You state that they "believe" these many false ideas. Baloney! They are not stupid, just speaking to a mass of people educated in public school, and indoctrinated by the dominant media culture. You see it as a left versus right. Instead it is those believing in complete statist (federal government for you 'educated' in public schools) control versus those who expect liberty with responsibility. The Neo-Marxists know full well that what they are doing is destroying our system to replace it with a socialist system. Everything they do is intended to destroy our system to set up their system, of course, with them in control.
You are right when you say: "If the consequences for this great nation of ours weren't so serious and the policies preferred by the left weren't so dangerous..." but totally wrong when you say it is so hilarious. We should NOT be laughing, instead we should be preparing to do battle, in every way necessary to save our republic, while it still can!
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 8:53AM
My sentiments as well. I would say this, the only viable opposition --The Republican Party--has had a sad record of leadership. One reason: they joke too
much. They do not get the fact that the Democrat Party is actually Marxist-socialist --in tone and conduct. This means that the notion of so called"bi-partisanship with this crowd is NOT POSSIBLE". Its the CHICAGO WAY or no way.When a political party does not behave in an apprpriate manner to face a situation--this is not a joke--this is pathetic and disturbing. Yey, I truly believe that if enough Americans tell their Republican leaders that they are expected to listen to the people --in a surge like manner--
I think the message will come thru. At the same time, defeat those who are not in line withe the people.
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old white guy| 12.20.09 @ 8:56AM
alot of words but no action. your republic has been lost and you will not get it back through the ballot box. you have past the tipping point. more americans will vote socialist than conservative. just observe what has been happening in the u.s.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 10:05AM
Let it go. When the folks riding in the wagon outnumber the people pulling the wagon then that's it, show's over folks.
The Romans did the exact same thing to themselves and their empire. The city of Rome became a giant welfare city. When the Barbarians showed up the citizens of the city of Rome had them outnumbered ten to one but nobody would fight.
Same case here. Since the first depression we've been paying little girls to have babies. We've been paying able bodied people to sit at home in their government housing projects and watch Jerry Springer while letting a horde of illegal immigrants overrun the country because we need to import the labor. We even go so far as to re-elect politicians that pander to these immigrants.
You're right. The republic is fallen. I say let it go. When the parasites and the congenital and heriditary blood-suckers die off what's left that's human and can recall civilization can rebuild.
James| 4.7.10 @ 9:33PM
Totally agree, lots of words but no action! Let's start by sending online fax to Senators.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 9:56AM
I've written this before on this website on different articles and on other websites and it looks like it's time to write it again.
I see a lot of left/right bickering here. Consider the following:
In the words of Ronald Regan, "Government is not the answer, government is the problem." I think that Regan was almost right. I think that the problem is politics. Politics is not the answer, politics is the problem.
People on both sides of the political spectrum have decided that they have some "right" to determine the lifestyles of the people living on the other end of the spectrum.
I didn't vote for obama and I didn't vote for bush. The last guy I voted for was Perot. Perot was the last guy I heard speaking in terms of truisms. Consider this...
I'm not a republican or a democrat or an independent. I don't care who you marry. I don't care if you marry, what you marry or how many you marry. I don't care if you go to church or where you go to church. I don't care who you vote for or if you vote. I don't care if or what you smoke, snort, inject or ingest. What you do in the privacy and comfort of your own home with or without another consenting, mature adult is your problem. Please have the common decency to leave me out of your activities, thank you.
For the people on the right, think about this: let the boys that want to marry boys marry boys. Let the girls that want to marry girls marry girls. Let the women that want to kill their unborn babies kill their unborn babies. Before long there won't be any democrats. Now really, how hard can this be?
Same case with recreational drug use. Folks that spend all of their time screwed up on drugs can't hold jobs so there are fewer people in the job market competing for jobs. There, piece of cake.
I've heard the argumant that drugs cost society a lot of money and to an extent this is true. Legalize drugs with the cavieat that when you show up at the hospital with a drug related persistent medical condition then that's it, you're on your own. Same with smoking and out of wedlock pregnancies and the like.
If an individual wants to engage in self destructive behaviors then let them. If you want to totally disable the left, agree with them. Show up at the hospital with COPD after smoking a pack and a half a day for twenty years and the doctor says, "we can take care of you but it's going to cost YOU (not the government) a lot of money." Such a policy will, trust me on this one, will stop smoking in it's tracks.
I hear the arguement that if you were to legalize drugs you'd have people driving up and down the road in cars on drugs. Like you don't have people driving up and down the road on drugs now.
Think of the impact on crime, especially organized crime. If wal-mart were selling cocaine over the counter for a buck a gram the hoodlums on the street selling crack for $25.00 a rock would be out of business.
If you want to truely and critically damage the political left in this country then give them what they want.
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 10:30AM
Pessimists go their way--I will go mine--and speaking of Rome, Rome was not built in a day.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 10:56AM
Rome wasn't burned in a day either.
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 1:47PM
The issue is: what do you stand for ? If you believe that one political party and ideology should run ( rule) this country then you are not from my plant. ( that would be earth by the way ). I support Republicans,conservatives, Tea party folks or who ever as long as there is one goal: defeat the Democrats who are Marxist-socialists .period. Then we can squabble all we want to. Are you for or against,sir/madame ?
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 11:42PM
I'm for me and my family.
I'm for getting up in the morning and going to work and making a living and not having most of what I earn stolen by criminal politicians so that they can pander to a heriditary welfare class. Or criminal politicians that spend billions attemptting to fight a collection of uneducated, uncoordinated, half-wit savages halfway around the world for no apparent reason at all. (I know what they're trying to do and why, I don't like the approach.)
I could write you a book.
I'm tired of being told that the gas that I exhale when I speak is melting the world. I'm tired of "experts" and "advocates" of whatever political persuasion attempting to make all my decisions for me. I'm a big boy, I'd like to take a swing at the problem.
We have alternate oil free energy production tecchnologies that can be implemented. We have the Z-Axis/ITER process and the Pebble Bed Fission reactor design. We have breeder reactor fission technology to reduce massive amounts of radioactive waste. I don't hear the current criminal-in-chief talking about any of these technologies. I didn't hear the last criminal-in-chief talking about these technologies either.
We put Neil Armstrong on the moon. A geeky kid named Sy Rosenbloom did it with a stick. I think that we can build a power plant. Really.
I'm disturbed that few people are disturbed that the current criminal-in-chief refuses to answer a simple question of proving where he was born in compliance with the law of the land. I'm disturbed that the last criminal-in-chief pronounced the word "Nuclear" as "nookalur." I think that the guy that has the keys to the freekin' gun cabinet should be able to speak conventional english.
I'm tired of having a "Just-Us" system in this country instead of a justice system. I'm tired of seeing people like the president of the United States of America commit perjury in front of a federal judge, on TV in front of God and Everybody and have idiots defend the scoundrel when if you you or I had pulled the same stunt we'd be packed off to a federal prison for at least five years.
I could go on and on.
I'm tired of people speaking in cliches such as "if you don't vote, don't complain." The truth of the matter is as plain as the nose on your face. We get a choice of the criminal that's going to rob us and indenture us and that's about it.
We have a national debt of over twelve trillion dollars now. The Chinese don't want any more to do with our deficit spending habits and I don't blame them. I'm tired of politicians attempting to spend the country out of a depression when common sense and personal experience will indicate to anyone with a hat full of brains that when you've spent more money than you have, spending even more money doesn't make the situation any better.
What business person will allow you to write them a check to cover a cold check that you've written? How many cold checks are "We the People" going to allow these clowns to write?
I'm tired of being told that we can't afford to tell the UN to go screw themselves and put the seven hundred billion dollars a year that we the people contribute to their annual operating budget toward paying off the debt. While the UN bureacracy sits there in their American taxpayer financed office space in New York City and run this country into the ground.
I'm tired of paying three hundred billion dollars a year in order to finance the DEA and their "War on Drugs" when you can choose to spend nothing, decriminalize what are called "Drugs" and have these self same "Drugs" disappear from our streets. Didn't we learn anything from alcohol prohibition?
I'm tired of dealing with people on a day to day basis that appear to be reasonable, rational and sane individuals who turn out to be suffering from a mental disorder.
We have problems, problems, problems and we have answers to lots of these problems. We sit in front of the one-eyed baby sitter and have idiots of the likes of Wolf Blitzer and Peter Jennings tell us that we're screwed. Screw those guys.
I guarantee you that I can turn the world into a peaceful and productive place. All you got to do is identify the criminals, tell them one time to get their hand out of your pocket and if they fail to comply then break their hand.
You want a better world then go get it. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. We've been electing criminals since the first depression that have reduced our nation to the world's largest debtor nation and tell us not to worry because the "experts" say that it's all OK.
You know better. You know better. We all know better.
What do you do about the problem? Simple. When you hear the same old sewage running out of the same old politicians do something different, stay home on election day. Remember Viet Nam and folks saying "What if they had a war and nobody came?" I say, "What if they had an election and nobody showed up." I think that somebody would decide to alter the equation if the vote tally in November were to be zero to zero.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 12:53PM
Sorry folks I totally messed up the UN budget number. The actual number is closer to seventy billion. Sorry. Too late at night and working out of my shirt pocket.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 1:08PM
It's obvious that I'm too stupid to be allowed to speak in public.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 11:09AM
There's some guy on the radio or TV someplace or another that says that liberalism is a mental disorder. True enough but there are aspects of conservitavism that seems to be mental disorders too.
Richard Baker| 12.20.09 @ 11:27AM
FTM:
Really? Name them.
DaveS| 12.20.09 @ 11:45AM
Reading Todd's self-absorbed rants and ravings.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 11:58AM
I'm sorry, I screwed this response up. This was to be a response to a comment made earlier in this discussion.
Anyway, aspects of conservitavism that appear to me to be mental disorders.
The idea that someone using whatever sundry chemicals for recreational purposes somehow or another is bad for society. How you decide to kill yourself is your problem.
The idea that some group of people half way around the world that don't even have a national power grid, interstate highway system and use still use steam powered choo-choo trains is somehow a threat to national security.
The idea that (in common with liberals) deficit spending is somehow or another good.
I'm sure that there are other aspoects of conservitism that resemble mental disorders. I'll think about the idea some more.
Realistically I think that I tend to be more conservitive than liberal. I still say that I'm neither though.
Based on the assumption that someone's behavior has no impacts on bystanders I can't understand why anyone would care what the individual does. We have the right to life, liberty and the persuit of happiness.
I have my life, for now. My liberty has been seriously impeded by liberals and conservitives. I can't do as I please as long as I do not impact anyone else for fear of attracting the attention of a car load of thugs with guns and badges. By virtue of my liberties being impeded my persuit of happiness has also been impeded. I am robbed at gunpoint every two weeks in order to underwrite the life and happiness of someone that hasn't earned either.
When I say "robbed at gunpoint" every two weeks stop paying your taxes and see what happens. A promise you that a carload of thugs with guns and badges will show up at your house to take what they decide is theirs. If you give them any crap about it at all they'll kill you.
Should we pay taxes? Of course, it is the obligation of citizens to support their society physically and financially. I resent being robbed to keep paying little girls to produce another generation of useless, government dependant eaters.
To quote Shakespere in regards to politics, "A pox on both your houses."
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 12:01PM
Sorry, I'm not being very attentive today.
I wanted to add that consuming one chemical in your own back yard on a weekend afternoon over a bar-B-que grill is considered normal. Consumption of another chemical on the same weekend under the same circumstances will get you pitched head-first into a dungeon someplace.
This is insane.
Ray| 12.21.09 @ 1:13PM
"The idea that someone using whatever sundry chemicals for recreational purposes somehow or another is bad for society. How you decide to kill yourself is your problem. "
Conservatives don't feel that your use of a 'recreational" drug is a problem, as long as that use affects only yourself. It''s when your use of that drug affects others, like when you kill someone to get their money so you can buy more drugs, that's the problem. You may believe that your use of a drug is a not a problem, but when that use leads to crime, as some many "illegal" drugs do, then there's no such things.as a "harmless" drug. As a Conservative, I say: smoke all the pot and drop all the downers you want , but when you come onto MY property and steal MY things just to feed YOUR drug use, then you and are going to have a problem!
"The idea that some group of people half way around the world that don't even have a national power grid, interstate highway system and use still use steam powered choo-choo trains is somehow a threat to national security. "
We have direct evidence that the people you describe, those without "technology," used OUR technology to kill thousands of Americans citizens. You may not realize this, but threats are not dependent upon a society's (or individual's) level of technology, they are dependent upon motivation and determination as to achieving a goal. When that goal is the death and destruction of a single American, let along our entire society (as is the goals of the people who fly planes into buildings) than that is REAL threat. It doesn't matter if you're going to be attacked by a hijacked car or a nuclear weapon, the threat is the same. We CAN NOT ignore a threat simply because we believe that the person or persons planning on attacking us is too technologically inept or "disadvantaged" to cause us harm. It was that belief, that they don't have the means to harm us, that lead to the attacks on 9/11.
"Based on the assumption that someone's behavior has no impacts on bystanders I can't understand why anyone would care what the individual does."
That is a very foolish assumption to make. EVERYTHING a person does affects others in ANY society. No man is an island, beholden only unto themselves. Every time you drive your car, you affect every other person around you. Every time you walk down a sidewalk, you affect everyone around you. Every time you do ANYTHING in ANY society, you affect the people around you. Yes, you have a right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness but ONLY as long as your pursuits do not negatively affect the pursuits of any one else.
THIS is what Conservatives like myself believe, and THIS is what you call "madness." Well, guess what? The true madness is assuming that your actions do not affect the actions of otherwise, that your "rights" supersede the right s of others, that Man is an island, beholden only onto themselves. Everyting we do affects every ones around us. therefor, it is necessary for us to create rules, laws, in which to regulate our behavior, to control our actions and the actions of others. Without such rules, without such laws, we create nothing more than chaos, and no individual, group, or society can survive for long in a chaotic environment.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:18PM
Hi Ray,
My appology for not being more clear. The folks halfway around the world that I'm referring to is the Chinese. Third world Islamic nations that want to kill us all are in even worse shape than the Chinese are.
In dealing with the third world Islamic nations that want to kill us all why can't we blockade them? Get with the rest of the nations in the civilized world and blockade these folks. I say that the best way to fight militant Islam is to give these folks exactly what they want. These folks want to live in the seventh century. They don't want western technology or influence, OK fine. No medical or power generation technology. No travel. Hope you enjoy your fifty percent infant mortality rate. Us folks stay here and those folks stay there.
When these folks mature socially and come to the realization that killing strangers to make a political statement is a bad thing then the way that we react to them can change. They can't fly a plane into a building if they're not here to start with, right?
Howard| 12.20.09 @ 12:04PM
All excellent points. However the sad irony is your last statement: "They actually think most Americans agree with them. Now that isn't just laugh-inducing; it's worthy of a roll-on-the-floor, guffaw-til-you're-blue-in-the-face
uncontrollable laughing fit."
The sad thing is that this is false. The election of Obama, as well as veto proof majorities in congress indicate otherwise. And why not! With a nation full of illegal immigrants, and other nitwits who stay at home eating Doritos and watching Judge Judy all day. We have created a monster, and it is eating us alive.
deeplyamerican| 12.20.09 @ 12:04PM
Acceptable to the GOP:
-Pedophilia by Members of Congress
-Conspiracy by Members of Congress to cover up pedophilia by Members of Congress
-Torture of anyone the President wants
-Wiretapping everyone, including American citizens, without a warrant
-Huge and increasing deficits
-Increases in the size of government
-Starting wars on little, no, or trumped-up basis
-War profiteering
-Cherry-picking intelligence data and other subversions of national security
-Outing undercover intelligence agents
-Government interference in private lives, such as medical decisions (including contraception, abortion, and end-of-life issues)
-Bribing journalists to produce government propaganda
-Voter intimidation
-Increased pollution
-Decisions based on pseudo-science and religious faith
Unacceptable to the Bush GOP:
-Habeas corpus
-Congressional oversight of the Executive Branch
-Judicial review of the Executive Branch
-Immigration of alien workers without whom the economy would fall apart
-Sex acts between certain consenting adults
-Marriages between certain consenting adults
-Abiding by America's treaty obligations, including the Geneva Convention
-Increasing the minimum wage
-Health care insurance that covers all Americans
-Balanced budgets
Recent GOP scandals of moral turpitude and/or incompetence:
Harriet Miers-GATE,
Port of Dubai-GATE,
Katrina-GATE,
Walter Reed-GATE,
Civilian Contractors-GATE,
Terri Schiavo-GATE,
Cooked Intelligence-GATE,
Signing Statements-GATE,
Abu Ghraib-GATE,
White House bootleg e-mail system-GATE,
George Allen's Maccaca-GATE ......
Passport-GATE ...
Knesset/Nazi-GATE
GOP Scofflaws and Scandals:
-Scooter Libby-GATE: guilty - lying and obstruction of justice (Plame-GATE)
-Tom Delay-GATE: money laundering, violations of federal campaign finance laws
-Jack Abramoff-GATE: guilty - three felony counts – conspiracy, fraud, tax evasion
-Bob Ney-GATE (R-Ohio): guilty - conspiracy and lying
-Randy Duke Cunningham-GATE (R-California): guilty - bribery, conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud, wire fraud, tax evasion
-Mark Foley-GATE (R-Florida): anti-pornography and “family values” champion; resigned - sexual predation of teen-aged boys
-Larry Craig-GATE (R-Idaho): pled guilty to disorderly conduct in a public mens-room
-Rick Renzi-GATE (R-Arizona): 35 count indictment – insurance fraud, extortion, money laundering
-David Safavian-GATE (Bush White House Procurement Officer): guilty – lying and obstruction of justice
-J. Steven Griles-GATE (Bush Interior Dept. Dep. Secretary): guilty- obstruction of justice
-Claude Allen-GATE (Bush Assistant – Domestic Policy); guilty- theft (shoplifting), felony theft scheme
-Alberto Gonzales-GATE(Bush Attorney General): resigned under suspicion of perjury and obstruction of justice
-David Vitter-GATE (R-Lousiana): family values champion and client of the DC Madame.
-Ted Stevens-GATE (R-Alaska): investigated by the FBI and IRS for corruption and bribery
-Carl Rove-GATE (Bush's Brain): offenses too numerous to mention .. left White House just in time ...
-Alfonso Jackson-GATE (Bush HUD Secretary): resigned facing on-going probes by a federal grand jury, the Justice Department, the FBI and the HUD inspector general.
Those who continue to aid and abet the GOP apparently believe that being “American” means adhering to the following:
-Jesus loves you, and shares your hatred of homosexuals
-Saddam was a good guy when Reagan armed him, a bad guy when Bush's Daddy made war on him, a good guy when Cheney did business with him, and a bad guy when Bush needed a "we can't find Bin Laden" diversion.
-Trade with Cuba is wrong because the country is Communist, but trade with China and Viet Nam is vital to a spirit of international harmony.
-The United States should get out of the United Nations; but at the same time our highest
national priority was enforcing U.N. resolutions against Iraq.
-A woman can't be trusted with decisions about her own body, but multinational drug corporations can make decisions affecting all mankind without regulation.
-The best way to improve military morale is to praise the troops in speeches, while slashing veterans' benefits and combat pay.
-If condoms are kept out of schools, adolescents won't have sex.
-A good way to fight terrorism is to belittle our longtime allies, then demand their cooperation and money.
-Providing health care to all Americans is “socialism”. HMO's and insurance company oligopoly have the best interests of the public at heart.
-Global warming and tobacco's link to cancer are junk science, but creationism should be taught in schools.
-A president lying about an extramarital affair is an impeachable offense, but a president lying to enlist support for a war in which thousands die is solid defense policy
-The best way to honor our war dead is to slander the people who didn't want them dead in the first place.
-Government should limit itself to the powers named in the Constitution, which include banning gay marriages and censoring the Internet .
-Being a drug addict is a moral failing and a crime, unless you're a conservative hate radio host. Then it's an illness and you need our prayers for your recovery.
-Supporting "Executive Privilege" for every Republican ever born, who will be born or who might be born (in perpetuity.)
-The death of 16,000 disabled Americans waiting for their Social Security claims to be adjudicated during Bush's term, is a great way to throttle Social Security. In other words, if they're dead, they don't need American “socialism”.
-Robbing the Social Security Trust Fund of $1.6 trillion to pay for a war and wealthcare programs aren't the acts of a working deliberative kleptocracy designed to kill Social Security (i.e., “starve the beast”).
-Those who have more deserve more and should expect nothing less .. whereas .. those who have less deserve less and should expect nothing more. Government shouldn't be in the business of confiscating money from people's wallets and transferring it over to those who are elderly, impoverished or disabled so they can have, for instance, health care .. or .. a means of subsistence. Rather, this is the proper role of charity in the church where such people can have their faith means-tested to insure adequate fealty to the right-wing's holy trinity of fear, bigotry and intolerance.
-Tax cuts pay for themselves by generating so much economic growth that they replace the sums lost by tax cutting.
-American tax payers don't have to work a large chunk of the year to send money ($1 billion a day) to China, Japan and the petro-states to finance the deficits caused by GOP tax-cuts that don't pay for themselves.
-Support for hunters who shoot their friends and blame them for wearing orange vests similar to those worn by the quail.
-With the economic collapse: like arsonists watching a house burn .. the GOP stands by and hurls epithets at those who are trying to put it out.
FTM| 12.20.09 @ 12:15PM
deeplyamerican,
Most of what you have written here is factually in error. I have another obligation at present but I'll write more on the topic later.
One point for now in regards to the Geneva Convention, the Geneva Convestion has specifically to do with governmental operators. Governmental operators in this case are considered to be members of a military organization operating in behalf of a government. Traditionally people caught carrying weapons on a battlefiels, out of uniform and without documentation proving their affiliation (dog tags for example) were shot as spies.
Just one case in point.
Best regards.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.20.09 @ 1:37PM
Kneedeep American
Straight from Mr. Soros to us. Thank you for your copy/paste. heh.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:32PM
Hello deeplyamerican,
I said that I'd write more so here I go.
I read a book years ago in regards to information in regards to intelligence gathering. If memory serves it was written by William Casey.
Now, in regards to torturing people. I'm sure that some folks were tortured. What is the magnitude of the problem? Hard to say.
Have you ever had surgery and were anaesthetized? I have, just recently.
There was a scandal a couple years back. The wife of a state politician had some surgery performed and during the course of the surgery informed the folks in the operating room of her maritial infidelities and the like and word got out.
If I understand this correctly state of the art anesthesia leaves the patient largely conscious, apparently capable of communicating and the like but unable to remember what has happened to them or to control what they say.
Now, if we have such technology then why would you bother to mistreat anyone when you can give them a shot and wait a couple of minutes then ask them questions and get the answers that you want?
I would think that maybe this story of torturing people was promoted in order to have an influence on enemy combattents. They know that if they're captured that they are going to be mistreated so they're perhaps more cooperative and the like.
Just a suggestion. I'd think that in regards to this issue that there's some fire but more smoke.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:43PM
Hello again deeplyamerican,
I really ought to stay out of this because I made some really stupid comments late last night. I'm not too bright some times.
Did you know that there are three ways to lie? Lie number one is the way that you lie when you are a child. "Hey mom, there's an orange and white zebra in the front yard." You don't run into lie number one too much because it's the easiest way to get caught.
Lie number two is the lie that media news outlets and politicians tell. Lie number two only uses part of the information, the part of the information that serves the purpose of the liar. There's the atatement that we're torturing people. OK, where are these people, what evidence do they have. How, many? Who? What? When? Where? Why?
The third way to lie is the way that the military lies and that's to tell the truth in such a fashion that it won't be believed. For example, military battlefiels radio commiunications are in large part fictious, computers talking back and forth to each other, completely false communications. Salted into this communication traffic are some real communication threads. How does the enemy tell which is which in time to make any difference?
Main stream media makes money by sensationalizing news in order to hold the attention of the viewer. Then they can sell beer or toothpaste. There's probably a grain of truth to what the liberal mainstream media tells about consevitive administrations but I'd say that the vast majority of the information that the MSM passes is lie number 2.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:46PM
I'm sorry about the deficit statement that you made. You're completely out of line with that one. obama has spent more in less than one year than bush did in eight. Fact.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:49PM
All the allegations of sexual misconduct. Probably guilty as charged. I heard about the one guy tapping his foot in the bathroom. What's up with that? Seems that I recall some story about one guy having an affair with some kid that worked for him. Something like that.
Anyway, I'll give you this one.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 2:52PM
Increases in the size of government. You gotta be kidding. Obama is the all time world record holder in regards to this issue with his cap-n-trade plot and health care hijacking proposal.
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 12:44PM
There are millions of citizens out there who have experienced the "good life" that our system offers. I waite till the proverbial s hits the fan and lets see how they like it. Now one hopeful note are the Tea Party folks. But in the end--voters want to try a romance with socialism-- so be it. But they will suffer. And there again, anger is the best motivator.
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 12:44PM
There are millions of citizens out there who have experienced the "good life" that our system offers. I waite till the proverbial s hits the fan and lets see how they like it. Now one hopeful note are the Tea Party folks. But in the end--voters want to try a romance with socialism-- so be it. But they will suffer. And there again, anger is the best motivator.
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Laughing at the Left « Stupid Socialist links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Liberal Reader| 12.20.09 @ 2:36PM
What is so wrong with socialism?
You people talk about it as though it were the most evil form of government in the world. I don't think any of you know the FIRST THING about socialism.
England, France, Sweden, and Norway: these countries are our friends. These countries are our allies, particularly in Afghanistan. These countries have capitalist markets, but they also have socialist protections for the middle class.
In the U.S.A., we only have socialist protections for bankers, oil magnates, and "insurance" company CEOs.
I say let THEM work three jobs a week and create an economy that accommodates hard working middle class people.
FREE EDUCATION. FREE HEALTH CARE.
Then let competition happen on a truly level playing field.
You guys are only interested in rigged games!
A las barricadas!
Long live Bernie Sanders!
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 3:20PM
Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were both morons. And evil.
They were evil morons. Or moronically evil. Take your pick.
Long live James Inhofe!
Liberal Reader| 12.20.09 @ 9:49PM
"Evil morons."
What a phrase.
Do you KNOW anything about Marx?
Jeff Perren | 12.20.09 @ 3:40PM
"What is so wrong with socialism? "
It violates the rights of individuals - to life, liberty, and property. It removes by force from individuals the choice of what to do with those and places it in the hands of others. That is immoral and, as we've seen in countless countries over the past 100 years, impractical.
Look at East Germany vs. West Germany. Look at England in the 1950s-1960s vs England in the 1980s. Look at China as it becomes more free market. Look at the various South American countries that embraced socialism vs those that were more freedom oriented.
Socialism is slavery.
Liberal Reader| 12.20.09 @ 9:51PM
Hilarious. "Look at China..."
The only capitalist economy in the world today that's really working in being run by the communist Chinese!
Oh that capitalism is the very beacon of liberty!
Ray| 12.21.09 @ 1:45PM
Liberal, you may not realize this, but China buys a lot more of our bonds and notes we buy of theirs. Why would China invest TRILLIONS of dollars in OUR financial market if they thought their market was stronger than ours? You don't invest that much money in a financial system you believe is worse than your own. You only invest that much money is a STRONGER system, one that will deliver a better yield than your own market can deliver.
Contrary to your false belief in the strength of the Chinese market system, it's obvious that the Chinese themselves don't believe this. Otherwise they wouldn't invest so much into what YOU feel is a weaker system, correct?
Barack H Obama| 12.20.09 @ 7:37PM
Exactly right!
That's why I'm charting a new middle course.
A Third Way.
Ray| 12.21.09 @ 1:37PM
Yea, Liberal Reader, Socialism has only killed 100 million people or so over the last 100 years. What's so wrong with that?
Socialism only lead to the Soviets confiscating all the grain in the Ukraine and transferring it to the Russian cities, which lead to the starvation deaths of over 30 million Ukrainian farmers in just under 10 years. What's so wrong with that?
Socialism only lead to the Socialist Chinese government telling their people to stop growing food and start producing steel, which lead to the starvation of 60 million people. What's so wrong with that?
Socialism only lead to the death and imprisonment of millions of people simply for speaking out against their own government. What's so wrong with that?
Socialism lead to the mandatory sterilization abortion because of a government imposed "one child rule" that attempts to control a basic (and vitally necessary) human function, reproduction. What's so wrong with that?
Socialism has lead to the deaths of over 100 million, the imprisonment of millions for speaking out against their own government, and the creation of death zones and, guard towers, mind fields, and barb-wired topped concrete walls just to keep their own citizens from leaving their "socialist paradise." What's so wrong with that?
Tony in Central PA| 12.21.09 @ 4:53PM
I really thought this post was sarcastic at first.
Everybody in this country is going to become personally acquainted with the many ills of socialism. Think of it as a national history lesson, hopefully one that won't be forgotten as quickly as the result of Soviet socialism
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 3:07PM
FTM,
Your libertarian worldview reminds me of a petulant child, ignorant of human nature and the way the world works.
You want what you want, when you want it, and don't want anyone to tell you, "No, you can't do this or have that."
I'll take your point about drug use as an example.
You stated that people are already driving under the influence of drugs right now. You imply these numbers wouldn't change much, if drugs were legalized. I don't agree, but will grant this for the sake of argument.
Now, I'm assuming you are not endorsing driving under the influence of drugs, are you? But if not, why not?
If someone can alter their brain chemistry "in the privacy of their own home", what happens when they leave their home? Doesn't society have to deal with them then?
Wouldn't someone like yourself say society can only deal with them when their actions "impact" on someone else?
So, if a meth-head gets in a car, that's okay, as long as he doesn't infringe on my rights? Should it be every man for themselves on the public roadways? It's the responsibility of the individual to protect himself, isn't it?
And public drunkeness laws are wrong, right? If a drunk doesn't bother anybody else, who cares what he does to himself.
As a Christian, I believe society has an obligation to protect those who cannot protect themselves. When you alter your brain chemistry to the point that you are a danger to yourself, society must intervene.
The reason alcohol should be treated differently than other drugs is because many drugs can't be tested, for one thing. Also, we tried banning alcohol 90 years ago. It didn't work out so well.
We should tolerate alcohol, while severely punishing those who abuse it. We should not compound the devastation of drinking and driving by legalizing drugs so we can have more deaths.
A Christian cares about both the individual AND society. You don't believe in LIBERTY, you believe in LIBERTINISM. There is a huge difference.
Liberal Reader| 12.20.09 @ 3:57PM
Nick --
You're articulating many of the concepts that motivate democratic socialism here.
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 4:42PM
Marxist Reader,
I was going to reflexively type: "As usual, you're wrong."
But, after re-reading what you wrote carefully, I see that you are correct.
"Democratic Socialism", i.e. marxism, seeks to supplant Christianity in every aspect of society.
It's aim was to do by force (by ignoring man's fallen nature) that which is only achievable as a disciple of Christ.
Marx took the Christian virtues of human equality and solidarity and perverted them with old-fashioned envy and covetousness.
Democratic socialism is, forgive the oxymoron, Atheistic Christianity. Like Satan himself, it apes God, in order to cause men to turn away from Christ.
This is why we have to debate things that were unthinkable a hundred years ago. Like abortion, homosexuality, euthanasia, and practicing one's religion. Democrat socialists now call EVIL "good", and GOOD "evil."
As I wrote earlier, Christianity cares about both the INDIVIDUAL and SOCIETY. Individuals have the right to "life, liberty, and property." Society has the right to be secure. These rights come from the Creator God, not the reason of men.
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 4:53PM
I should have stated that I'm talking metaphysically here, not politically, if that is not apparent enough.
Christianity is primarily concerned with the individual, his soul, and how we intereact with others individually.
It also has something to say about how we deal with each other as a society, and how societies deal with each other. But it was never a political movement.
Liberal Reader| 12.20.09 @ 5:18PM
Are you saying France and Sweden are Satanic countries, Nick?
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 6:10PM
Marxist Reader,
In as far as they, and most of Europe, have bannished Christianity from the public sphere, and replaced it with "Atheistic Christianity", Marxism, Democratic Socialism, etc.; yes, they are Satanic.
And we are also headed down that road if we don't stop the liberal democrat party.
JoshInHB| 12.21.09 @ 9:33AM
Nick,
You are falling into the logical fallacy which lead to the spanish inquisition and other horrors perpetrated in pursuit of good.
The bottom line is that God gave all of us free choice to believe or not and to obey or not. That choice is what makes belief meaningful.
It's not up to Nick or Margie or Torquemada to create more perfect people than God chose to.
The only proper role of governement is to secure the freedom and liberty of citizens to lead their own lives how ever they see fit. Anything beyond this is social engineering.
I encourage you to reread the Declaration of Independence and US Constitution if that sees like a crazy lefty or libertarian sentiment to you.
http://www.ushistory.org/decla...../index.htm
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_preamble.html
Nick| 12.21.09 @ 11:28AM
Josh,
Your reference to the "Spanish Inquisition" shows your ignorance of what the Inquisition was all about. And where did I write that I want to "create more perfect people"? These are straw men.
"Freedom and liberty" are synonymous and your use of both is redundant.
Your freedom ends where someone elses begins. I have the right to travel on taxpayer funded roads free of other drivers who have altered their brain chemistry to the point they endager others.
In a just society, when someone is a danger to themselves, because their brain is malfunctioning, the proper authority steps in to protect that person. Even when it was their choice to alter their brain.
This is different than helmet or seat-belt laws, which I disagree with. But, when roads are paid for by the taxpayers, their elected representatives can pass laws dictating the rules for traveling on those roads. It does not violate someone's freedom.
The purpose of government is NOT to make sure people can "lead their own lives how ever [sic] they see fit." That is a simplistic worldview. To go to the extreme, people are not FREE to have human sacrifices, even if the victim is willing. Are you in favor of the people having this freedom?
When the political authority (government) declares to the rest of society that a specific act or activity is wrong, we call that a LAW.
What makes a law JUST is when it is based on God's Law. Rights are a gift from God. When man's law violate these God-given rights and His Laws, they are unjust. This is what made America great.
I suggest you read what the Founders read in the lead up to the War of Independence. If you don't know who they read, try Blackstone, Grotius, and de Vattel as a start.
JoshINHB| 12.21.09 @ 2:08PM
Nick - "In a just society, when someone is a danger to themselves, because their brain is malfunctioning, the proper authority steps in to protect that person."
Any number of statists including Stalin and Hitler have used this justification to do anything that they want do. According to the progs today, your brain is malfunctioning because you dis-agree with them.
"when roads are paid for by the taxpayers, their elected representatives can pass laws dictating the rules for traveling on those roads. It does not violate someone's freedom. "
By this logic you are fine with the government dictating every aspect of your life - just like the progs.- since the federal government has its fingers in everything. You could similarly make a case for federal government control of churches based on their tax exempt status.
You seem to agree with an all encompassing state as long as you get to call the shots.
I know you will deny this as a strawman arguement. But you are being dishonest with yourself.
Any government that can dictate what you can grow on your own property or what you can and cannot consume is a tyranny that can dictate anything. The fact that it hasn't yet just means it hasn't gotten around to it yet.
Nick| 12.22.09 @ 12:04AM
Josh,
"Any number of statists including Stalin and Hitler have used this justification [...]"
Have any quotes to back up this absurdity?
"By this logic you are fine with the government dictating every aspect of your life [...]"
Try reading everything I wrote, and then comprehending it, and then remembering it. Or did you miss the part about me being against helmet and seat-belt laws? Which are state laws, not federal laws, by the way. Like driving under the influence laws.
How you can go from my statement about taxpayer's representatives making rules for highway travel, to "[...] you are fine with the government dictating every aspect of your life [...]", is truly baffling.
I'm a Constitutional Originalist. I'm not sure where you obtained your ideas about the Constitution, English common law, or Natural Law.
PolishKnight| 12.21.09 @ 2:35PM
This is a perfect example of the road to hell being paved with good intentions and Nick apparently has the best road crew available.
Nick, many socialists would say that your right to read a Bible ends when it's possible that something in the book might cause you to do something stupid on the roadways (maybe pray and get distracted) so it's best to just take it away from you, for the common good of course.
The other adage is "the devil is in the details". How to empower a monstrous state to run people's lives for the good but keep it simple and not have the state become a menace. That's the problem and the devil knows how to take advantage of the system at every turn.
More people have been killed by the good intentions of Christian Inquisitors and Uncle Joe and Mao than all the drunk drivers put together and then some. It looks like you might slip in your tub. The safety police will be shooting their way in to save you anytime now...
Nick| 12.22.09 @ 12:27AM
PolishKnight,
I'm not exactly sure what point you're trying to make. Maybe you haven't seen my many posts standing up for individual liberty.
Like Josh, you seem to have missed where I wrote I am against helmet and seat-belt laws. I'm against the nanny-state completely. But there's a difference between saying the state SHOULD NOT do something, and saying the state CANNOT do something.
You and I may not like helmet and seat-belt laws, but they were passed by representatives elected by the people, who also paid for the roads. They were perfectly within their rights. Unless your state constitution doesn't give the legislature the power to regulate roads. It is not a violation of your rights.
The Inquisition lasted several hundred years and most of the abuses were committed by civil authorities not clerical.
By the way, when did Stalin or Mao ever do anything with "good intentions"?
JoshInHB| 12.21.09 @ 9:36PM
Nick-"The purpose of government is NOT to make sure people can "lead their own lives how ever [sic] they see fit....When the political authority (government) declares to the rest of society that a specific act or activity is wrong, we call that a LAW. "
The famous communist Thomas Jefferson disagrees with you.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."
Nick-"In a just society, when someone is a danger to themselves, because their brain is malfunctioning, the proper authority steps in to protect that person. "
Where exactly do you find this in the US Constitution?
9th amendment
"The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people."
10th Amendment
"The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."
Nick| 12.22.09 @ 1:13AM
Josh,
Why did you skip over my point?
I assume, since you avoided it, that you do not think people have the right to be a human sacrifice?
So, that means when you wrote: "The only proper role of governement is to secure the freedom and liberty of citizens to lead their own lives [HOWEVER THEY SEE FIT].", you didn't really mean it. (Emphasis mine.)
You too, believe society should put limits on people's actions, even when they only hurt themselves. But when someone doesn't agree with where you think the line should be drawn, they are a nanny-stater. This is ridiculous.
As I stated earlier, try reading how the Constitution was formed and which political writers influenced the Founders. And stop trying to make it conform to your worldview.
Do you realize how ironic it is that you are trying to use the 10th Amendment to rebut me?
Pay close attention to these words: "[...] are reserved to the STATES respectively, or to the people."
This means the States retained ALL the powers not delegated to the Congress or prohibited to them. The people of a State, in turn, delegated what powers the State would have, through their own constitution.
States, through their legislatures, then gave powers to counties and charters to villages and cities.
Towns and counties were allowed to make all kinds of ordinances. Like no alcohol sales in a county. Or all businesses must close on Sunday. Or that you couldn't walk your pig on Mainstreet.
These laws did not violate anyone's rights. Because there is no right to buy alcohol, or doing business on Sunday, or walking your pig. If you didn't like it, you tried to change the law or you moved to a place that didn't outlaw such activity.
Are you against the way the Founding generation governed themselves?
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 1:02AM
You know...
I've read the Bible through, from cover to cover seven times. From what I've read in the Bible, the inspired word of the Almighty God himself the use of a chemical is not the problem, it's the abuse. Witness Paul writing to Timothy telling him to take care of himself, that a little wine is good for the stomach.
Better be careful of your insinuations sometimes they'll turn around and rip your butt right off.
Consider, why do people sell drugs?
People sell drugs to make lots and lots and lots of money.
A business is a black box. Raw materials, power and labor go into the black box. Finished product comes out of the black box. What the black box does is that an investor puts a dollar into the black box and the black box gives the investor back his dollar with some number of pennies.
The competition in regards to the black box from the perspective of the investor is to locate the black box that returns the dollar in the shortest amount of time with the most pennies.
The drug peddler punk piece of human garbage down on the corner with his nine tucked in his laundry has a black box that gives back dollars for every dollar put in. From the perspective of the investor this punk has the best black box.
Now ask yourself, what do you do to put this punk with the black box out of business? ELIMINATE HIS PROFIT MARGIN. The punk down on the street corner can't compete with wal-mart.
Now, if wal-mart decides not to sell heroin over the counter there could be a problem. However, I refer you to the history of this country when you could walk into the neighborhood pharmacy and buy heroin or cocaine or codine or whatever your little heart desired over the counter no questions asked. You didn't have criminals engaged in turf wars and the like. You didn't have problems with prison overcrowding. You didn't have street gangs. You didn't have cops falling all over each other and the like.
Have you ever stopped and thought about the perversity of the relationship between the cops and the drug dealers? The only difference between these criminals is that some of the criminals have badges and some don't.
I won't tell you the number of hours that I've spent trying to teach cops to shoot. Trust me on this one, the criminals with the badges are in a lot of cases worse than the criminals without the badges.
Six out of ten cops that I know personally I wouldn't turn loose with a sharp stick let alone a handgun and a pump shotgun.
The drug dealers depend on the cops to keep the price of their commodity high. The cops depend on the drug dealers to justify their existance. The "war on Drugs" will be perpetual and you, sucker, are going to pay for this "War" forever.
Now, me on the other hand, I don't have trouble with drugs. I don't mess with the stufff. I have two college aged children that have not to my knowledge ever messed with drugs.
What do you do with the idiot that gets into his car under the influence of one drug or another? perhaps for the first offence you put him in the empty jail for ten or so years. The second time around you shoot him.
There, done. Questions?
Nick| 12.21.09 @ 10:11AM
FTM,
That is a lot of words to not address my point.
I never wrote alcohol is evil. It is different than drugs, as I pointed out. And wine is different than spirits. Christ's first miracle was turning water into wine, not Jack Daniels. Also, the effects of alcohol are much different than mind altering drugs.
You are correct. People could purchase hard drugs over the counter in the past. When they abused these transactions, society decided to restrict them. What is wrong with that?
Now, back to my point.
Why would you put the "idiot" who operates a vehicle under the influence in jail at all, if he hasn't infringed on anyone elses rights? And the second time around you would take his life? Not very Libertarian.
You were the one who wrote: "I can't do as I please as long as I do not impact anyone else for fear of attracting the attention of a car load of thugs with guns and badges."
Isn't driving under the influence a "right"? Isn't it an activity I can "do as I please as long as I do not impact anyone else [...]"?
Your logic is deeply flawed. Again, it is not Liberty you espouse. It is Libertinism.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 5:29PM
I think that my logic is intact, but you may be right.
My intent was that as long as I stay in my house or you stay in yours you're not being a nusiance or a menace. If you get into your car on the other hand things change. I don't see a difference between a car, a gun or any other weapon.
Another point, I think that you misread the history. When there was no government restriction on access to whatever drugs one desired their use was probably fairly low. Nobody knows for sure as best as I can tell because nobody collected information.
On the other hand we do know that the "experts" of the day, Dr. Sigmund Freud for example used to administer cocaine for just about everything.
One thing that we do know for sure is that there weren't bands of armed thugs, with or without badges, roaming the country or the city. I reiterate, if you eliminate the profit margin in the drug business there won't be half the people involved.
Look, this is easy. I don't use drugs. I don't think that anyone with sense enough to pound sand messes with drugs. However , I don't have the right to dictate to you. What you do in your house is your business.
I concede the car point. Don't get messed up and get in your car.
I think that our difference in opinion has to do with approach to the problem. If I'm reading this right you are of the opinion that prohibition of drugs is a good approach to restricting use. My opinion is that unrestricted access to drugs will reduce both the use of drugs and the availability of drugs.
Now, not to be a jerk or anything but history proves that prohibition is a failed methodology. Whenever prohibition has been tried it has failed. Prohibition is the mentality that puts the money making potential into the proscribed substance. Prohibition is the stance that results in the most violence and destruction.
I'm sorry but this prohibition mindset is one of the attitudes associated with conservitism that looks to me to resemble a mental disorder.
Nick| 12.22.09 @ 1:49AM
FTM,
"When there was no government restriction on access to whatever drugs one desired their use was probably fairly low. Nobody knows for sure as best as I can tell because nobody collected information."
If "[n]obody knows for sure", then why did you write drug use "was probably fairly low" right before it? Very confusing.
"One thing that we do know for sure is that there weren't bands of armed thugs [...]"
Ever heard of the 5 Points Gang. The Black Hand. It is you who misreads history.
It is not prohibition that has failed. It is punishing the violaters that has failed. It is the revolving door of the prison system that has lost the "War on Drugs."
Even the Dutch don't subscribe to your unrestricted drug policy. Cocaine, heroin, and other hard drugs are still prohibited.
And they kill old people there.
FTM| 12.22.09 @ 10:47PM
Nick,
Is there something the matter with you? Really. You're being obtuse.
The reason that I wrote that drug use was probably fairly low was because if drug abuse prior to prohibition, if drug abuse was a rampant problem, there would be some historical record of the fact. Wouldn't you think that there would be newspaper articles and the like written about crimes being committed by people under the influence of some drug or another that they had purchased legally from a local pharmacy?
According to Wikipedia the Black Hand gang was a political extremist group in Serbia circa 1911 dedicated to the assasination of Franz Ferdinand. Did they have some drug link?
Again, according to Wikipedia the five points gang was involved in gambling and prostitution in New York in the early part of the 20th century. No mention of drugs. (Although I'd say that if they were in to gambling and prostitution that they probably sold drugs too however I'd also say that peddling drugs would have been a lean business because of that neighborhood pharmacy.)
Now, are you mistaken in your premise?
I will agree with your assessment that punishment of drug offenders has failed. That is true and apparent to the casual observer. However I will say that short of extermination upon detection no form of "progressive" correction can or will work. There aren't enough jails and the state doesn't have enough money.
Trust me on this one, the cops know for sure and quite well who the local junkies are. As long as the junkies don't bother anybody the the largest number of cases the cops don't bother the junkies. Why is this you might ask? processing the junkies through the "Just-Us" system ties up the judges rendering the court system even less functional than it is at present. Processing the junkies fills up the jails so that you wind up paroling the junkies to make room for some genuinely dangerous people. Processing the junkies absorbs massive amounts of capital in rehabilitave medical treatment during and after incarceration.
Why is it do you think that the government qualifies heroin junkies for socialist security? Because putting a heroin junkie in a public housing unit, providing the in-duh-vidual with food stamps and the like and pumping the in-duh-vidual full of methadone is cheaper than putting them in jail.
Heroin junkies start getting out of hand then they need a fix, don't have any money and heroin costs around $100.00 a fix. That's when old folks get hit over the head for their socialist security checks and the like.
Sell heroin dow to the wal-mart and the stuff will cost less than $5.00 a dose and we all live happily ever after. Put ten percent of the money that this society wastes into educating the public on what happens to people addicted to drugs. Do something productive.
What we do at present certianly isn't working.
FTM| 12.22.09 @ 10:50PM
Sorry, I should have said to devote ten percent of the money that our society spends on drug interdiction on drug education... blah, blah, blah.
Nick| 12.23.09 @ 12:31AM
FTM,
Haven't you ever seen The Godfather II?
The Black Hand was a Sicilian protection/extortion racket imported from the old country. The guy in the white suit who DeNiro shot in the hallway.
The point is, there were bands of thugs roaming the city a hundred years ago and they were involved in criminal activity.
Also, states began prohibiting hard drugs about a century ago. Yet, drug use didn't become the huge problem it is until the 60's and 70's.
Now, if it is prohibition that creates the profit motive, why did it take 50+ years to materialize?
The problem with your argument is that you are comparing the U.S. of today with the U.S. of 1900. Apples and oranges.
People didn't have the money to spend on drugs. There was no welfare state. Robbery was dealt with harshly. Repeat offenders got longer sentences for their second and third offences, not their 35th. Illicit drug production had not been industrialized yet.
There simply was no huge demand for drugs, either before or in the decades after they were criminalized. So no one tried to figure out how to supply them economically for a profit. As demand slowly increased over the decades, organized crime stepped in to fill the supply.
Ask yourself this: Why did states and municipalities start outlawing drugs in the first place? Did they just wake up one day and say, "Hey, lets ban cocaine today. Not because it is a problem, just because we feel like it." I don't think so. Obviously, they started making drugs illegal because of their impact on society.
Please tell me your theory as to why the states started prohibiting drugs, FTM.
FTM| 12.23.09 @ 2:56AM
Sorry, I never saw the Godfather.
In regards to the origins of recreational chemicals, I'm glad you asked.
Marijauana, for example was banned in the US not because of it's chemical properties but because of it's mechanical properties. Marijauana was banned as a textile crop because it is more durable than cotton. As a part of civil war reconstruction congress wanted to encourage the production of cotton in the deep south. Marijauana was produced primarily in Kentucky, Tennessee and West Virginia. The idea was to provide southern farmers with a (larger) market for cotton as a cash crop. If you look at pictures of civil way era soldiers, both north and south, you'll sometimes see these guys wearing tan colored pants. That's because these pants were woven from hemp.
Marijauana as a drug was banned because it was used primarily as a free alternative to alcohol by predominantly black and latino field laborers. White people were afraid that marijauana intoxication would send these people into sexual rampages and that no white female would be safe.
Also, it's very difficult to tax the use of a weed. Alcohol comes out of a factory, a brewery or a distillery and can be conveniently taxed.
By the bye, the Romans served a marijauana tea to their galley slaves and other slaves that performed hard manual labor. The marijauana eased the pain induced by hard physical labor and these folks could sleep at night and be ready for another day's work.
We discussed Freud and cocaine. A caviat to the Freud story, Freud stopped using cocaine because of the cardiac problems that became apparent after prolonged cocaine use. By the bye, Freud injected cocaine. I don't know when folks started snorting cocaine.
An aside to cocaine use, Central American indians chew cocoa leaves so that they can live and work at extreme altitudes. Cocaine is made from cocoa. Apparently cocoa leaves suppress the feeling of suffocation when you are in an oxygen poor atmosphere. The Air Farce says that you need oxygen at altitudes over ten thousand feet. Central American indians can perform hard agricultural manual labor at altitudes well in excess of ten thousand feet.
Heroin was first synthesized by a general practioner doctor in Germany in the late 1800's or early 1900's because he noticed that his tuburculosis patients were dying from exhaustion rather than from tuburculosis. The guy wanted the most powerful seditive obtainable at the time which was opium. However opium was smoked and smoking anything for tuburculisis patients was out. So basically the guy created an injectable form of opium vis a vis heroin. At the time being alive with a heroin addiction was generally accepted as a better alternative than being dead from tuburculosis.
There are two formulations of methamphetemine, or just plain 'ol "meth." By the bye, meth is a bad actor and shouldn't be messed with.
By the bye, messing with any of this stuff is a way bad idea.
Anyway there is Nazi meth and American Meth. The German army was experimenting with meth on the eastern front during WWII. They didn't have the manpower that they needed to fight the Russians so they decided that if you could keep a soldier awake and alert for days on end that soldier could act more like three or four soldiers. Meth as a force multiplier.
The American military experimented with meth during the cold war for the same reasons. Bomber crews flying extended missions needed a stimulant to keep them awake and alert for a long, long time.
Lysergic Acid Diethylamide (LSD) was accidently produced by some doctor guy in Northern Europe, if memory serves, from ergot fungus that grows on rye grain. The guy was trying to produce a chemical with which to treat psychatric patients. Something along those lines anyway.
Anyway, other than smoking marijauana perhaps five times in my whole life I do not and have never used drugs. However I have studied the topic at length. If you want to make drugs less available in a society then legalize them. If drugs are available commercially the profit margin is low and the number of people involved in the logistics of drug trafficingg are also low.
An added benifit of making drugs commonly available in a society is that it tends to eliminate congenital stupidity from that society, eg. early twentieth century China. Knuckle heads and riff raff smoked opium and eventually killed themselves off. Smart people knew better than to mess with opium and led productive lives. The rub came in China when the opium addicts couldn't afford to buy opium, that's when the crime started. Fast forward a hundred years and the drug related crime in this country revolves around the marketing of recreational drugs. The crime and violence from the selling end, the competition of who is going to sell what where and which cops are going to get a cut. Then there's the crime and violence that comes from users trying to get the money that they need to support their habits. Legalize the stuff and the cost will be low so a user can afford his habit and because the profit margin is low the stuff won't be readily available in the first place.
Look at all the drug violence in Northern Mexico. If cocaine were legal in the US and sold for a dollar a gram instead of one hundred dollars a gram do you think that the folks in Mexico would be so hot to trot to kill off their competition?
FTM| 12.23.09 @ 3:56AM
Sorry, missed part of the point.
Most of the "Hard Drugs" that you refer to didn't exist until the fortys and fifties so they weren't around to be banned, Meth powder coke and LSD for example. Other naturally ocurring chemical substances codeine for example had common medical uses. Abuse was typical but apparently not recognized as being problematic.
Coca-Cola was orginally a product sold by a physician in Atlanta, Georgia called "French Mocha Coca and contained wine, cocaine and soda water. The wine in French Mocha Coca was outlawed in Atlanta before the cocaine was.
The banning of even more common recreational chemicals, marijuana for example was based on racial prejudice and because of government revenue generation problems.
FTM| 12.23.09 @ 3:59AM
A question:
When have you ever heard of a guy smoking a joint and then beating his wife half to death? On the other hand, how many times have folks drank up a bunch of beer or hard liquor and turned around and beat their significant other most of the way to death?
USPatriotuy| 12.20.09 @ 3:20PM
Well stated deeplyamerican .. both your 12/19 and 12/20 posts unmask the moral and intellectual corruption of today's GOP .. sadly for us all, the pestilence of their immense failures over recent history .. will be with us or many years to come.
martin j smith| 12.20.09 @ 3:44PM
If there was a poll with the following question: Would you pefer the United states coninue with Obama or would you want a choice of someone else( not specified ) I will bet a majority of voters would choose the "someone else".
Here is another one which was actually in the news recently: Would who would you prefer to have as your president now: Obama or GB Bush--Again in hypthetical bet, i would bet a majority of US voters would choose Bush. Its not that I think that much of Bush, its that the folks now know who Obama really is and they do not like it. The Majority of Americans do not agree with or approve of Obama's policies foreign and domestic. They are not fooled by the MSM. The important point is not to deviate from the goal of defeating at the ballot box the Democrat Party and Obama and do not fool yourselves that a third party will be the answer. What did Ross Perot bring us ? Finally what is it that the majority of Americans do not want ? The answer is Socialism,Marxism,Communism or whatever you want to call the current Democrat Party's agenda
And it aint progressive.
Richard Baker| 12.20.09 @ 5:13PM
FTM:
Sounds like you are really an anarchist instead of a Libertarian. Either way, the end result is the chaos of selfish children. The country will hopefully survive the most childish of them all, the Baby Boomers. At 57, I am amazed at the spoiled selfishness of my generation. Pogo was correct when he said "We have met the enemy and he is Us."
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 1:38AM
Well, to tell you the truth I've never considered myself to be an anarchist. Or any other "ist" for that matter.
I've read Plato and Aristotle and Plutarch, et. al. and so on. I will tell you that the problem is not a new one. Aristotle asked the question, "How does one teach virtue?" I consider myself to be virtuous. I contribute of my own free will to people less fortunate than myself. I work as a production support engineer in a tier I automotive factory. I'm a beat up old man. I have taught ddozens of children to stand up on their own two feet and to provide for themselves and their families. I've raised up a generation of mechanics and electricians. Knuckledraggers.
Another question that Plato and Socrates and Plato asked is, "What is the role of the ruler?" The best answer that I have seen is that the role of the ruler is that of the shepherd to the sheep. What we have now is more akin to wolves.
JoshInHB| 12.21.09 @ 9:38AM
FTM -
Teaching people to stand up and support themselves is a crime to the statists of the LEFT AND RIGHT.
FTM| 12.21.09 @ 5:31PM
My point exactly!
Marcy | 12.20.09 @ 5:55PM
Loved the article, am tired of this "liberal" bs that is prevalent in our country. This "right" to things stems from and is perpetrated by us having raised a generation or more of people who believe that everything is their right, the what's in it for me and the unwilling to work!
Are you tired of it too?
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USpatriotuy| 12.20.09 @ 6:05PM
The GOP's destructive activity and malfeasance in the regulatory arena is already being adjudicated by historians in writing the Bush legacy. Among the many lessons to be learned from the Bush GOP era is that slash and burn, anti-government approach to governing does not work. An anti-regulatory approach to formulating public protections is utterly untenable. And, as we've seen over the past 8 years of history, the militant, anti-regulatory fervor applied by the GOP has resulted in direct threats to our democratic system.
We have a long road to travel to restore our country. We are truly blessed to have Barack Obama as our President .. all good Americans can be thankful that America is coming home.
Nick| 12.20.09 @ 6:26PM
President Dither is getting American fighting men killed in far away lands.
How can you look at yourself in the mirror?
Richard Baker| 12.20.09 @ 7:14PM
USpatriotuy:
You're damn right. Millions of us are anti-regulatory because government is NOT the country. Government interference gave us the Community Reinvestment Act which allowed Frank, Dodd, and many others to threaten and demand that millions of people be given mortgages who couldn't pay for a stick of gum, otherwise. Government interference gave us Freddie Mac and Fannie May which made these earlier actions even worse. When you idiot liberals demand more interference because of "corporate greed", the government has bankrupted every program it has started. Shall we name them? We're now $12+ Trillion in debt and the Kenyan wants to control every American in the most tyrannical way. Compared to the government, the Wall Street clowns are mere pikers in comparison. You are like so many liberals, you advocate a world that you yourselves would not live in as if somehow you are exempt from the destruction you advocate. If you hate this country so, please allow me to buy you a one-way First Class airfare to wherever you'd be happy. The only proviso is that you have to STAY. Sic Semper Tyrannis.
RichardN| 12.20.09 @ 9:11PM
Todays democrats are akin to the child on the playground holding the ball and forever wanting to change the rules in his/her favor.
Take for example:
The brave tenured professor who cannot be fired stood up to the establishment.
How about the brave union (who cannot be fired unless wriiten up three times....) stood up to his boss.
When people who pay no taxes don't get a tax break its called tax cuts for the rich.
etc....
etc...
etc..
The only way to beat a schoolyard bully is to smack him in the mouth when he tries to steal your lunch money. Typically bullies are cowards who will take advantage of those who allow him to. The GOP better grow a pair and start standing up to these cowardly bullies or we won't have a country left to defend.
RichardN| 12.20.09 @ 9:19PM
Political correctness has to go also, its just another tactic cowardly bullies use to push around gentlemen.
As Dennis Miller once said "f**k political correctness, the gays can take a d**k but they can't take a joke."
That is how you stand up to a bully, you smack them in the mouth. The one thing bullies are most afraid of is being teased and made fun of and is exactly the reason democrats hate Rush Limbaugh with a passion because he's very good at teasing and making fun of them.
Serge from Wellington| 12.21.09 @ 4:06AM
John| 12.20.09 @ 10:35AM
I'm a liberal and don't believe in half of the "facts" stated here.
But you believe the other half, don't you? Quite enough to proudly wear a tinfoil cap.
LOL! One seldom meets such self-indicting fools nowadays...
kevin barry| 12.21.09 @ 1:35PM
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I've read Plato and Aristotle and Plutarch, et. al. and so on. I will tell you that the problem is not a new one. Aristotle asked the question, "How does one teach virtue?" I consider myself to be virtuous. I contribute of my own free will to people less fortunate than myself. I work as a production support engineer in a tier I automotive factory. I'm a beat up old man. I have taught ddozens of children to stand up on their own two feet and to provide for themselves and their families. I've raised up a generation of mechanics and electricians. Knuckledraggers.
online fax | 1.3.10 @ 11:53AM
Cute screenname. I think we can see how you would "resolve" this liberal scourge if let to your own devices.
As always false accusations and gross misrepresentations. I'm a liberal and don't believe in half of the "facts" stated here.
You might want to work on your own house first. Any group with Bachman, Beck and Coulter as spokespersons has a real credibility problem.
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Liberalism is nothing more than attack against the middle class. The whole purpose of health care "reform", the stimulus that didnt create any jobs and the so-called "war on poverty" was and is to STEAL TRILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS.
alyssa| 1.6.10 @ 1:49AM
Liberalism is nothing more than attack against the middle class. The whole purpose of health care "reform", the stimulus that didnt create any jobs and the so-called "war on poverty" was and is to STEAL TRILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS FROM THE MIDDLE CLASS.
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I'd give my right testicle to be able to do my PHD thesis on STUPID LYING STATIST PAMPERED ELITIST ACADEMICS. I returned to school at age 46. The above spot on piece is the syllabus I endured for 6 years getting my degree in GEO/GIS/URB PLANNING. Lectures often included eyeball from the podium accusatory statements directed at me from PUKES whom never held a job but earned a PHD by kissing arses and spewing how they taste on paper.
It was even told to my face it would better serve the world if people, Like myself, who by nature supposedly grow more conservative with age would just go ahead and die so theses overall tomes of asininity could be applied more freely.
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alyssa| 1.7.10 @ 11:42PM
Everything would be very clear if you folks would start using the correct terminology. Not "liberal." Not "progressive." They are STATISTS who believe with all sincerity that the state - as represented by their own superiority - is the only entity capable of providing what is best for all of us. And they, of course, will run the state!
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Everything would be very clear if you folks would start using the correct terminology. Not "liberal." Not "progressive." They are STATISTS who believe with all sincerity that the state - as represented by their own superiority - is the only entity capable of providing what is best for all of us. And they, of course, will run the state!
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With the news that Van Jones had resigned, I thought I'd skim through the left-wing blogosphere and see the reactions, and it didn't take long to find something to laugh at. It's Digby at Hullabaloo, who is often unintentionally humorous.
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alyssa| 1.9.10 @ 6:58AM
Great post, but I am looking for someone like you to explain why liberals believe these goofy things. Any ideas? Are they stupid? I don't think so. Do they want do destroy our society? Why? Don't they have children too?
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Your solution is to extend an olive branch in the name of understanding, to reach across the aisle, to sit down with those who are trying to destroy us and ensure them that we mean them no harm.
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Yep, I agree -- Alan has never gone to both places. I travel a lot. Things have changed a lot too.
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