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Melvin| 2.18.09 @ 7:18AM

No one should be surprised by this. Obama has reintroduced abortion funding on a massive scale that is basically a form of euthanasia of the unborn.
Now and in the not so distant future there will be elder euthanasia for the old bastards who have outlived their usefulness and are getting to medically expensive to keep around.
My language will probably shock some, and it should, for a so-called civilized nation to commit an inhumane act of putting down seniors and those deemed by a bureaucrat not worthy of remaining with the human race just as we euthanize dogs down at the pound.

Gill O'Teen| 2.18.09 @ 8:45AM

Social Security will soon go bust, but maybe not if all those eligible are denied health care.

Medicare and Medicaid, if not already broke, soon will be, but maybe not if all those eligible are denied health care.

All Welfare programs will soon be bankrupt, but maybe not if all those eligible are denied health care.

So finally our Marxist leaders will be able to balance a budget. Only none of us will be alive to see it.

Please join me in reciting these words of comfort:
O-bum-a is my shepherd,
I shall not want;
He lies me down in green pastures.
He leads me beside receding waters;
He restores my climate.
He leads me in paths of socialism
for His fame's sake.
Even though I walk through the valley
of the shadow of Bush,
I fear no evil
for I now have free health care;
His brilliance and His Staff, they comfort me.
Surely his goodness and mercy shall follow me
the remaining days of my life;
and I shall dwell in a house without mortgage forever.

Marc Jeric| 2.18.09 @ 11:04AM

We have about 1,100,000 lawyers in this country; Japan has 10,000; Germany 15,000; Great Brittain 8,000; etc. How come? Well, US is the only civilized country where the loser in the court proceeding pays nothing; in all other countries the loser pays all the costs - of the court and of the defendant's, direct and indirect. The damage of "environmentalist" suits is uncounted trillions. Trial lawyers chasing hospitals, doctors, and pharmaceutical companies add to the health care costs, in my estimation, about $1 trillion per year in the items such as defensive medicine, unnecessary tests, huge and disproportionate damage awards often awarded by ignorant juries, inordinately large malpractice insurance fees, etc.

james| 2.18.09 @ 11:13AM

Now that CER is in place it will never be removed. It has probably already grown since the bill was signed yesterday. Once national health comes in - and it is now here - it will require revolution to get rid of it. Americans are too fat and scared for that. At least right now.
RIP, America.

Appleby| 2.18.09 @ 11:20AM

The interesting thing that those of my workmates and surounding socialists here in Kanukistan who bow to King Zero do not realize is that not only will this new plan of his exterminate lots of Americans, but it will also exterminate half of Canada's unhealthy, elderly and genetically unfit who are now saved only by being able to go to the USA for treatment. Of course for the nonce we will still have India, but when there are no ICU beds in Canada for neonatal intensive care, and none in America either, catching a life flight helo to India might be a bit costly, eh?

CaptSteve| 2.18.09 @ 11:35AM

"Worse still, they forbade him from paying for the procedure himself on the private market" How in the H*ll can they do this? Will they next forbid me from buying a McDonald's hamburger because it's bad for my health. SOMEONE has to stop these crooks.....

Chuck| 2.18.09 @ 11:42AM

It's looking like we finally got the government we deserve. Just think how McCain would handle this...
We got what we asked for. This is the tip of a very large iceberg.

American Socialist| 2.18.09 @ 12:35PM

Jesus was a socialist!!

Obama Rules Forever| 2.18.09 @ 12:40PM

Melvin, come on, it's not like Republicans are pro-life anyway. You guys are pro-BIRTH.

Once that baby is born, it better hurry up and get a JOB -- or else!!

It's funny how you want the federal government to make abortion legal to save all these "unborn souls," but God forbid we have universal health care so that a 10-year-old "living soul" can be treated---nooooo, that's evil "socialism."

You guys are a bunch of whiny assess and I take great pleasure in rubbing it in.

Appleby| 2.18.09 @ 12:45PM

CaptSteve - Canada is one of four countries (Albania, Cuba and North Korea are the others) who forbid its citizens to buy private health care without leaving the country altogether. That is, I suspect, because it is okay if your child die on a waiting list as long as a Rich Kid dies five minutes before yours.

ORF - if you think socialist medicine means you are going to get Mayo Clinic type treatment for free, read the story from this past weekend about a man who spent 15 hours in an emergency room and finally got so enraged at not being spoken to much less seen, that he went down to a nearby subway station and pushed three teenagers off the platform into the path of an oncoming train.

That's what you're going to get with socialist medicine.

ORF ORF ORF| 2.18.09 @ 1:00PM

Appleby:

1. Where does it say he spent 15 hours waiting for emergency care?

2. Are you saying there is a link between being denied emergency care and pushing people in front of trains?

3. Remember the person who was forced to wear a hockey helmet for days (months?) after brain surgery, while the insurance company squabbled over if it should be responsible for paying for the removed skin that covered his head?

That's what you get with capitalist medicine.

Louis Jenkins| 2.18.09 @ 1:03PM

Do you think Senator Spector gave a naught about effective research when he voted for the Spend-a-Thon stimulus bill? He, of all people, should of had empathy with the sick and elderly who face overwhelming health care issues and costs. But NO! Our duly elected officials enjoy a health care program that we can only dream of, but not him, or the other slime balls for that matter. They are members of an elite club, and peons like us have to be content with the crumbs that fall from their fat slobbering maws. Why even have comparative effectiveness research? Save some of the tax payer's cash. Herd the old pharts together and send them into the wilderness, and let the wolves cull them back. After all, the wolves gotta eat too! It would make PETA and all the tree huggers ecstatic. (But it wouldn't create another government department would it?)

Honestly, this is tragic. Our goverment, starting with Obama, should be ashamed of approving such swill. We have lost yet another part of our morality (defined as "a being in accord with the principles or standards of right conduct; virtue). There is nothing moral in "comparative effectiveness research." They are all liars and the truth is not in them.

Dustoff| 2.18.09 @ 1:20PM

Do any of you think with GOV health care, that you'll get the same service as Ted Kennedy got?

Only a fool would say yes.

Jeremy Jester| 2.18.09 @ 1:28PM

ORF,
Just wait until you're in need of medical care only to find out the treatment you need is not "cost effective" and you are denied treatment you would otherwise have received without this stimulating fine print.

Just wait until you and your wife have a baby (or grandchild) that is born premature and the bureaucracy sets the policy that doctors cannot revive your child at birth.

Or it is more likely that the bureaucracy will simply set policy so that doctors cannot do all that is medically and/or technologically possible to revive and keep alive that preterm child because the initial care in those first months is to too cost prohibitive.

Furthermore, that bureaucracy will deem that the potential complications related to that preterm birth are potentially too costly for the healthcare system over the long term and therefore no preterm births under (say hypothetically) 30 weeks will be revived or supported.

This "what if" is the reality of socialized medicine in Europe. At a time when European birthrates are far below replacement rates, their socialized heathcare system does not allow (implicitly or explicitly I am not certain) neo-natal specialists to expend all possible medical efforts in many cases of preterm births.

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 2:23PM

Jeremy writes, "This 'what if' is the reality of socialized medicine in Europe."

Mighty strong words for an American who has never even left this country.

So....do you have anything substantial to back up your claims, or did you just pull this out of your a$$?

Deborah| 2.18.09 @ 2:24PM

Do you think Democrats want a violent revolution? I ask because they are really starting p*** people off out here. Once all of this "stimulus" is understood by normal, everyday Americans, the proverbial sh** will hit the fan in some way. Do they not get that? Or is that what they want?

Sons Of Sam| 2.18.09 @ 3:12PM

Hey Capt Steve: I couldn't agree more: somebody has to stop those crooks, and THAT SOMEBODY IS US

S.O.S.
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Louis Jenkins| 2.18.09 @ 3:24PM

We already have elective abortion, and it sounds like we have modified euthanasia. What's next? Ummm, let's see. Mentally handicapped, physically handicapped, and the disabled (to include those on disability). They consume too much of our natural and fiscal rescources, and the return is nada. The worst of all...white anglo saxon protestants. They're to blame for all the misery that this country, actually the world, has ever produced. And what about the pets that we have, well, do as China did in the late 40s, get rid of them too. Can't allow a WASP to own a pet that consumes pet food or valuable vaccines now can we.

So if grandma needs a hip or knee replacement, faget about it! She's had 65 years of good life. No need to enable her to walk again. She doesn't need to enjoy her independance any longer, that would only consume a surgeon and physical therapists time and incur enormous costs. Let her lay in bed and watch TV until she develops blood clots, peripheral edema, bed sores, urinary tract infections, soils herself because she wasn't able to get on the toilet, and then gives up all hope for life. That will get rid of the old bag for good!!Now that's real health care!

Country Boy| 2.18.09 @ 3:32PM

FDR foisted a lot of stuff on Americans also, which was unpopular (but not with this kind of unbridled arrogance).

But FDR played a valuable wild card: he repealed Prohibition.

No wild card like that for zerobama to play. Legalizing drugs is not the same, and would result in massive unempoyment for cops, judges, prisons etc, something the big Zero can't even consider. But he knows the need, he's trying to fake stuff like that, with his staged town halls. Lady says: "I just need a car, a kitchen, and a bathroom "

That church revivalist crap doesn't go very far. Most people don't think like that.

Zero is gonna have a real pissed off American public pretty soon.

Jeremy Jester| 2.18.09 @ 3:49PM

ORF,
Not that it is really germane to the current discussion, but yes my passport has been stamped. So I suppose I should offer you the salt to season the foot in your mouth.

Ask around among a crowd of honest European physicians that are in the US either in fellowships or as practicing physicians...they'll tell you flat our that they do not go to the lengths that physicians in the US do to revive and sustain babies born preterm. Most especially those very early, lowest weight premature births.

But I digress...and bait the troll further.

Melvin| 2.18.09 @ 4:02PM

To "Obama rules forever", better watch junior and be careful what you wish for and hope like hell that you don't get hurt enough to have that Democrat bureaucrat to decide that you ain't worth fixing.
Here is some pain killers, and just go sit in the corner and die.

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:07PM

Melvin, OK, you're an idiot.

ORD| 2.18.09 @ 4:07PM

Jeremy---ooooh! What country? Canada? Mexico! World traveler!

Again, which European physicians, specifically?

Country Boy| 2.18.09 @ 4:17PM

To "Obama rules forever",

"but God forbid we have universal health care so that a 10-year-old "living soul" can be treated"

Any 10 year-old can get medical treatment. Just send the bill gets sent to the parent ins. carrier. If they don't have ins. at work, they need to look in the yellow pages under insurance.

Government doesn't need to supply any stuff to folks that's listed in the Yellow Pages.

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:19PM

Yeah. Insurance that DOESN'T pay for sh** because they're losing money. That's a major problem w/ a capitalist health care system, Country Boy.

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:21PM

Jeremy, so is your main point that European doctors who make less money than American doctors hence also care less for taking care of babies?

So, $$$$ = Love for Babies
but
$ = Who Gives a Crap about Babies.

That the gist of it?

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:23PM

Deborah, are you another one of those crazy right-winged nutjobs living in a trailer someplace cluthing a shotgun?

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:31PM

OK, Jeremy, here are some infant mortality rates from around the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_infant_mortality_rate_(2005)

You'll notice that countries like Sweden, Finland, Iceland, Denmark, France, Norway, Spain, Germany etc etc all have lower infant mortality rates than the good ol' US of A.

Are these those same evil baby-hatin' European socialist health-care countries you just mentioned?

I guess their commie doctors are doin a piss-poor job huh.

Dustoff| 2.18.09 @ 4:39PM

ORF
Maybe you missed, but just a few weeks ago. A man died in Japan as a medic unit rushed him from hospital to hospital because none of them could handle his emergency care. So he bleed to death. (japan is gov health care)
It's getting worse in England with ER's

Dustoff| 2.18.09 @ 4:40PM

ORF

Do you know what the birthrate is in the EU...

Dustoff| 2.18.09 @ 4:42PM

ORF
From the BBC on birthrate.
+++++++++++++++++++++
Europe's working-age population is shrinking as fertility rates decline. In a fit of gloom, one German minister recently warned of the country "turning the light out" if its birth rate did not pick up.

Dustoff| 2.18.09 @ 4:46PM

ORF
Just in case you think I'm lying.
+++++++++++++++++++
TOKYO — After getting struck by a motorcycle, an elderly Japanese man with head injuries waited in an ambulance as paramedics phoned 14 hospitals, each refusing to treat him.

He died 90 minutes later at the facility that finally relented _ one of thousands of victims repeatedly turned away in recent years by understaffed and overcrowded hospitals in Japan.

Paramedics reached the accident scene within minutes after the man on a bicycle collided with a motorcycle in the western city of Itami. But 14 hospitals refused to admit the 69-year-old citing a lack of specialists, equipment and staff, according to Mitsuhisa Ikemoto, a fire department official.

ORF| 2.18.09 @ 4:48PM

Dustoff: I am aware of that incident. I am actually NOT saying that socialist healthcare is the realization of my wildest dreams, which you may think it is.

I'm just pointing out that our capitalist healthcare system in this country has its own share of very serious problems.

Now, are we going to do anything about fixing it? Or are we just going to sit here hatin' those evil liberals and trash European healthcare?

Louis Jenkins| 2.18.09 @ 5:04PM

(FYI) The cost of 2.75 infant deaths per 1000 live births (second lowest in the world):
Since the late 1960s, Sweden has had the highest tax quota (as percentage of GDP) in the industrialized world, although today the gap has narrowed and Denmark has surpassed Sweden as the most heavily taxed country among developed countries. Sweden has a two step progressive tax scale with a municipal income tax of about 30% and an additional high-income state tax of 20–25% when a salary exceeds roughly 320,000 SEK per year. The employing company pays an additional 32% of an "employer's fee." In addition, a national VAT of 25% is added to many things bought by private citizens, with the exception of food (12% VAT), transportation, and books (6% VAT). Certain items are subject to additional taxes, e.g. electricity, petrol/diesel and alcoholic beverages. As of 2007, total tax revenue was 47.8% of GDP, the second highest tax burden among developed countries, down from 49.1% 2006

Jeremy Jester| 2.18.09 @ 5:08PM

ORF,
You are a true believer, as well as, a tenacious troll.

What qualifies for a "live birth" in the collection of those numbers? Was a baby born preterm and not breathing a "live birth" in the collection of those numbers? Wikipedia does not say...

Jeremy Jester| 2.18.09 @ 5:15PM

ORF,
What needs to be fixed in our capitalist healthcare system? Walk into in ER in the US and you'll be treated.

What needs to be fixed: the government needs to get the hell out the way and out of our lives. So, bureaucratic dictates make for good healthcare?

Deborah| 2.18.09 @ 5:41PM

No, ORF, I'm just asking a question. When gov't forces things down the country's throat as with this "stimulus" package without any debate or input from the country at large, it tends to tick people off. They turn around one day and their country has totally changed. When you remove the power from individuals and grab it for the government, it tends to make people fear for the future of their country, their family and for their own lives.

I'm saying this is a huge mistake on the Dems' part. This is reminiscent of how abortion was "legalized" without the input from the American people -- and it is still divisive 30 years later.

Americans don't like being forced to do anything. When they lose their voice, something's got to give. That's all I meant. I hope it doesn't come to that, but I don't think Dems' have thought the repercussions of their actions through.

Nice comment about the trailer and the shotgun. You can't just have a discussion, you have to belittle those you disagree with -- which usually means you have no argument. If you have one, let's hear it.

Country Boy| 2.18.09 @ 7:01PM

To : OFR - @ 4:19PM

You lie. Private insurance pays. I know people who have gone through catastrophic loss (loss of a child through Cancer). It was PAID.

You bamie suckups (or maybe paid pumpers) just like to steal money. It is in your genes. Admit it.

Maybe you will get a promotion!

Jason| 2.18.09 @ 7:18PM

I thought it would be interesting to read some things from the "other side". I am neither democrat nor republican and believe that the 2 party system is destroying the American ideal. Reading this site and the comments posted just makes me sad. There does not seem to be any attempt at analysis or thoughtful examination of the facts, but instead just fear-mongering and short sighted articles designed to appeal to the worst in readers, who, judging by the comments, like it that way.
By the way liberal: lib·er·al
adj.
1. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry.
2. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded.
-The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition

The amount of liberal bashing on this site speaks more to those doing the writing than any true liberal.

Chemman| 2.18.09 @ 7:30PM

ORF, we don't have a capitalist health-care system we have a hybrid in which the government specifies what has to be offered on health care insurance policies. This drives up the cost of insurance. Insurance itself drives up costs because it removes the user from the true cost of service plus it siphons off a large amount for administrative costs. I usually get much better service and a cheaper rate when I offer to pay cash up front. Of course I have to find doctors and facilities that don't accept medicare and medicaid since they would get in trouble for offering me a better rate. I am for eliminating government and general medical insurance from the mix. If a company is going to offer health benefits let us all put it in some form of Health Savings account, then buy a catastrophic Hospitalization policy and then pay cash for all other treatment. In the end the free market will work much better.

joe| 2.18.09 @ 10:25PM

Elaine : Where's my chart ? Did you get it ?

Kramer : No .

Elaine : What ? What happened ?

Kramer : I don't know . But now they got a chart on me .

Nick| 2.19.09 @ 12:23AM

Jason,

I would become a liberal, if it didn't require a lobotomy.

Frosty| 2.19.09 @ 2:03AM

Jason is a liberal because he's had a lobotomy. Only good thing about ORF/ORT is that he's hot for abortion--and his gene pool will die with him. Thank you.

Thomas| 2.19.09 @ 9:20AM

Interesting discussion of the pay-as-go vs private insurance vs government controlled socialized medicine. But, some of you are missing the point. One of the reasons that the healthcare costs have increased at a multiple of the rate of inflation for the last forty years is due to the third party payer system. The medical profession has been all but guaranteed a steady income for almost any procedure from Medicare, Medicaid and private insurance. But, there is a kicker. Insurance generally pays only a fraction of the charges. It works like this. A simple office visit that the doctor would, ordinarily, charge $25 for now is billed at the rate of $50. You pay your $10 co-payment and the insurance company pays $15, for a total of $25. But, because the insurance company will pay only a percentage minus the co-pay, the doctor has to charge a fee double what the procedure should cost simply to get paid. If he charged $25, then the insurance company would reduce it's obligation to $12.50 minus the $10 co-pay and the doctor would receive only half of the reasonable cost of the visit. This is bad enough, but then the government gets involved. Many states now make it illegal for a physician to charge a lower rate to someone who has no insurance than he charges an insurance patient, even though the insurance company pays approximately half of the billed charge while the non-insured patient is responsible for the total bill.
This doesn't get into area of "medically necessary" and "experimental" treatment refusals.

So if you think that it is bad now, just wait for total government run health care. You ain't seen nothin' yet.

A womans right to choose| 2.19.09 @ 10:12AM

Why are people so concerned about the choice of others, ever heard the word mind your own business?. So someone don't want kids, it was an accident, if forced to produce a child they can't afford, have no means of health care, no means of
educating this child no means of good housing.

Anybody out there want to adopt an army of unwanted children, register at the abourtion clinics.

Marianne| 2.19.09 @ 10:22AM

Its a shame that George Soros deactivated his 'Project on Death in America". The project is activated in other countries and will probably start up again in the U.S. He wants to ration medicine to the fit and deny it to the elderly. They will however, provide the elderly and the unfit 'Palative Care". Read hospice.

Al Gore De- Population program| 2.19.09 @ 12:08PM

Marianne.

George Soros was one who Rail Roaded the money behind Obamas campaign, and Al Gore. They want what Prince Phillip want the population reduced to 2.7 Billion people on the planet, there is Climate change, but the Global warming is a lie. The Rockerfella Foundation also funds this, you want to look it up.

The scam on the Globalwarming, is designed to put land for growing food crops, will turn into Land to produce Bio Fuel, to create Famine and starvation.

The Obama programme to create cleaner energy is partly to do with that, and they want GM closed down or produce Cars that use this new Bio Fuel. Al Gore is the master mind behind it.

These people are all payed up members of committing genocide against the world, the trouble is these people seem so innocent, if only you knew.

ruth| 2.19.09 @ 1:34PM

Woman's right: People like you tolerated slavery, too. Not your business if your neighbor owned slaves, right? Who will take care of all those slaves? Soulless liberals like you countenance the killing of 50 million babies for convenience.

Sustainability | 2.19.09 @ 4:56PM

Ruth do you think the world can sustain the growth of the population and keep it sustained, do you have a degree in MATHS.

The people you vote for is the ones who is killing your ideals. Perhaps you should tell your society to live according to God's laws and not the laws of the Jungle.

Henry Kissinger said the biggest threat to the world is population growth take it up with him.

DAPHNE IS NUTS| 2.19.09 @ 5:38PM

No, Daphne, I don't have a degree in MATHS (sic), but you sure must have an advanced degree in idiocy--in fact you graduated summa cum laude. TWIT.

POVERTY IN AMERICA| 2.19.09 @ 6:52PM

Energy is finite, food to feed people is important, if you had a farm with 4000 Chickens and you can only feed 3000 Chickens surprise surprise 1000 will have to be killed or left to starve to death. Or you try to feed 4000 Chickens and they are mal-nurished.

The same as the factories at GM no one is buying cars, so a business man is not going to build cars they can't sell, so you lay off workers they become surplus to requirement. It's common sense. Africa has proved you have large families and you can't feed your kids they die.

It's the same any where in the world rich educated people don't have large families they are more concerned with quality of life.

Poor people have the largest families and most of the time tey can't afford to house or feed them.
Logical facts to most American is stupidity, they are not the brightest sparks. Any one can get pregnant but the hard part is feeding them loving them educating them, unfortunately poverty comes with a lot of sadness. A homless mother and 5 children is sad in America with no health care. To watch someone starve to death is not a nice thing. America has 60 Million people living in poverty in America, go and preach to them I am not one of them thank god.

CRAZY DAPHNE| 2.19.09 @ 7:37PM

I LOVE AMERICA AND HER WONDERFUL PEOPLE. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!

dave| 2.20.09 @ 12:38AM

Had enough change yet?

Appleby| 2.20.09 @ 11:38AM

ORF ORFORF: It was here in Kanukistan East that the man who was in the emergency room for 15 hours became so enraged that he pushed three teenagers in front of a subway train. It was just this past weekend. You can find it on Google. He says that is why he did it. The two things were directly related thereby.

On quieter weekends people have miscarriages, or simply die in the waiting rooms -- one man was dead for almost two days before anyone even noticed -- and frequently the parking lots are crammed with ambulances whose patients cannot be unloaded because the hospital is bogged down, therefore when you call an an ambulance you won't get one and you'll die.

But it's all "free" isn't it, so that makes it OK? Um, not so fast. A few years ago we in Ontario were slammed with an extra $900 per year "premium" for our "free" health care that was supposed to be for the purpose of reducing wait times from 6-8 weeks to something under a month. Wait times have in fact gotten longer now as this "premium" was shot into general revenues and squandered on vote-buying schemes such as handing off $1 million to a local cricket team.

ruth| 2.20.09 @ 12:11PM

That's worse than I thought. Has anything like this happened to someone in your family, Appleby?

March 2009 Economy DEAD| 2.22.09 @ 6:17PM

God Bless America, America is about to be Nucleared bombed off the planet, George bush knew it, Clinton Knew it Obama knows it. Obama is to change the way people view America, but the misfortune is it's the same policies.

Becaues they all serve the same master, Democrats or Republican what difference does it make, none at all. Two parties with one master.

America is about to collapse, because that is the plan of the Rockerfellas the De-Rothchilds, the Royal familys of Europe the various groups want America dead and they are going to kill the devil.
They are not following orders, the majority of Americans don't want the government to tell them how to live but it's too late, the major amount of the Christian fundamentalist are signed up to the Republican party.

The people are being bred to to fund the party politics, to remove democracy, to promote NAZI culture. Shall we have two worlds the Islam world and the Christian world? Each stay in their own country. The place called Israel will not be there in the next century, because it's not logical.

Why did Europeans want to live in the middle of the Arab world, if they are racist, it's a stupid idea.
Bring in America into a war they can't afford, and European, how many people is going to be willing to this idea of being held hostage by Israel for much longer. The Europeans in Israel shouls move to America and form one country, they would fit in better ther have a lot of people who think they are fantastic, go and live with them.

DAPHNE IS A COMMIE| 2.22.09 @ 9:48PM

Shut up, stupid.

frankg| 2.26.09 @ 12:19AM

oRF,

I used to be able to pay for my own health care insurance and save money. It more than doubled in price before being phased out on me. I suspect some of it was due to government mandates over the years that forced costs upwards. And every compromise seems to produce another situation nobody's happy about. I also had friends who years ago went through the health care insurance billing dance and they talked about outrageous billing that they refused to pay. $280 consultations that lasted 10 seconds, all the doctor said was "how are you feeling?".
Please, just allow us to shop around. Don't say you'll fix it and then deny us care.
Big gov care ain't going to stop those abuses from happening. More likely just try to tinker with the mess they created.

THOMAS 2.19.09 YOU ARE SO RIGHT!!!

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