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In the election on Tuesday, Ritchie said his office "received no
reports whatsoever of fraudulent voting occurring," but most news
reports omitted the fact that a conservative watchdog group
called Minnesota Majority repeatedly urged Ritchie to clean up
the state's voter data. The group urged "a thorough review and
verification of all voter registration records."
Minnesota Majority claimed last month that there were thousands
of irregularities in voter lists, including 261,000 duplicative
registrations and 63,000 voters listing an address that the post
office reported was "non-deliverable."
Ritchie was dismissive.
"There is a new level of desperateness, a new level of intensity
to the process that's saying, ‘This can't be right. There must be
all these people illegally voting,'" Ritchie told Minnesota
Public Radio Nov. 3. "It's to create a story to explain a
political climate. It's to create a cloud over an election so
people don't accept the outcome."
While running for office two years ago, Ritchie recited well-worn
liberal talking points on the electoral process. "The only means
we have of defending ourselves is the vote, and if you want to
throw out or hold accountable leaders who are not doing what you
want around [Hurricane] Katrina, or the Iraq war, the vote is
your only mechanism. [...] When you begin to perceive that your
vote is being manipulated, it's a sign of worry," he said.
So far in the Coleman versus Franken vote-tallying process
Ritchie seems even-handed. He perhaps inadvertently likened the
upcoming official recount to a funeral service that benefits the
living because it forces them to accept the death of a loved one.
"Recounts are for really the loser to understand and see and then
believe that they in fact did not win the election and for their
supporters to come to the same conclusion," he said.
Most media reports also leave out the fact that Ritchie has
extensive ties to the controversial in-your-face direct action
group, ACORN (Association of Community Organizations for Reform
Now), whose employees have been implicated in electoral fraud
time and time again.
In 2006, the Minnesota ACORN Political Action Committee endorsed
Ritchie and donated to his campaign. According to the Minnesota
Campaign Finance and Public Disclosure Board, contributors to
Ritchie's campaign included liberal philanthropists George Soros,
Drummond Pike, and Deborah Rappaport, along with veteran
community organizer Heather Booth, a Saul Alinsky disciple who
co-founded the Midwest Academy, a radical ACORN clone. One
article on Ritchie's 2006 campaign website brags about the fine
work ACORN did in Florida to pass a constitutional amendment to
raise that state's minimum wage.
It was revealed during a panel discussion at the Democratic
Party's convention in Denver this summer that the Democracy
Alliance, a financial clearinghouse created by Soros and
insurance magnate Peter B. Lewis, approved the Secretary of State
Project as a grantee. The Democracy Alliance aspires to create a
permanent political infrastructure of nonprofits, think tanks,
media outlets, leadership schools, and activist groups-a kind of
"vast left-wing conspiracy" to compete with the conservative
movement. It has brokered more than $100 million in grants to
liberal nonprofits including ACORN. The aforementioned Pike and
Rappaport, who gave money to Ritchie's campaign, are members of
the Democracy Alliance.
According to IRS 8872 disclosure forms, the Secretary of State
Project received donations from Democracy Alliance members
including Soros, Rob Stein, Gail Furman, and Susie Tompkins
Buell.
Ritchie said the recount won't get underway until the State
Canvassing Board meets Nov. 18 to certify the U.S. Senate
election results. Under state law, the five-member board will
consist of Ritchie, two state district court judges he appoints
to it, and two state supreme court justices.
As the politically astute Joseph Stalin once remarked, "The
people who cast the votes decide nothing. The people who count
the votes decide everything."
This is what we have to look forward to for the next 20 years or
so. This is who the democrats bring to the table. The radicals of
the 60s won. The American people lost. Viva la revolucion!
malm| 11.7.08 @ 8:41AM
I understand the democrats have been busy, but so have
republicans doing all that hard work like listening to talk radio
and visiting conservative websites and blogs. Oh, and watching
Fox. Is this not enough ? Is this not enough ? Afterall our
fearless leader, the all knowing one, has instructed us to
believe the enemey are maggot infested, dopesmoking , drooling
embeciles educated through the public schools, and live and die
by hollywood values. Yet, if politics were basketball, they would
be the Harlem Globetrotters, and we the whitebread chump team do
jour. Looks like all this rugged individualism can't compete. WE
gotta form our own groups. We must become more collectivist.
Yikes we must "organize", like heaven forbid, UNIONS. First we
need a new point guard, going back to hoops analogy. Cut the "
doctor of democracy" from the squad. He is the TO of the GOP.We
need team players who will share the ball with everybody, even
moderates. Even linguini spined moderates like John Chaffee of
RI(not his son-he is a joke). Our point guard called Chaffee
linguini spined , even though he served in WW2 and Korea as a
Marine officer. Not one of you rightwing absolutist had a kind
word for him when he passed on. Or else I missed it. Our point
guard who was never a Marine probably said good riddence. How did
such people become the only counterforce to the mighty Democrat
army that is gearing up for the final assault on the America we
honor and love. But, hey dig in. Man the battle stations. The
dems might raise the minimum wage, now stopping some poor guy
from gaining 50 cents and hour is a cause worth fighting for.
Hopless, hopless, hopless. Third party anyone? Anyone?
Fred| 11.7.08 @ 11:40AM
Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop to pointing out such a thing but in
this context your misspelling of "imbecile" is delightfully
ironic.
StrongProgressive| 11.7.08 @ 12:08PM
To Republicans who think that "voter fraud" is a real phenomenon:
it's not. How do I know? Because there's no proof or any
documentation of it ANYWHERE. Where's the "voter fraud" that you
so blatantly claim is happening? In Minnesota in 2006 there were
a reported 3 (as in 1, 2, 3) people who voted who shouldn't have,
out of the millions of votes cast. And yet, Republicans and their
minions talk about it as if it's a real threat. What IS real is
stolen elections - which Republicans engineered - in both 2000
and 2004. What a brilliant idea they have, though. Deflect
attention from their REAL election theft by creating FAKE threats
about threats to electoral integrity.
We know what you're up to.
Large voter turnouts hurt your cause and therefore you do all you
can to prevent it. Have you no shame? Thankfully in Minnesota, we
have a Secretary of State who actually believes in the right to
vote, unlike his predecessor who tried to suppress the vote,
including saying that Native Americans couldn't use their tribal
ID's to cast ballots.
Frankly, those who oversee elections shouldn't be partisans at
all. It makes no good democratic sense to have people faithful to
one party or another overseeing the election system. Secretaries
of State should be nonpartisan offices and I've thought that for
a long time, even when we had a well-respected democrat who held
our state office for 20 years (Joan Growe). That said, however,
I'm extremely grateful that we have someone in office currently
who defends our right to vote and doesn't try to come up with
tactics to suppress the vote.
And one more thing. You uber patriots who try to claim a monopoly
on being American - there's nothing more American than voting. So
if you want a contest between you and us progressives who
actually BELIEVE IN VOTING - we'll take you any day.
Tim| 11.7.08 @ 12:34PM
Voting Yes, Stealing Elections No!
There is a vast leap between the two.
Acorn is about stealing elections because in their view that the
end justifies the means.
Every legal person should vote but in an honest manner.
Griff| 11.7.08 @ 12:57PM
How is it that the dead always seem to vote Democrat?
Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 1:05PM
Strong (as in Odor) Progressive (as in towards some dark, dank
place)
Shouldn't weeding out invalid registrations in a state have equal
impact upon all parties in that state, to the extent that a
portion of this due to random error is keeping otherwise eligible
voters out? Why are Democrats swearing up and down that this is
hurting them but not their opponents?
Mikecampbelly2k| 11.7.08 @ 1:21PM
Would someone volunteer to send the honorable Strong Progressive
a copy of John Fund's well documented book "Stealing Elections:
How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy" I look forward to any
refutations the Strong Progressive has when he is finished
reading the book.
sestamibi| 11.7.08 @ 2:25PM
As a former resident, I know that voters in Minnesota do not
register by party, so how does Strong Progressive know that
purging voter rolls would affect the DFL party
disproportionately?
Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 3:22PM
Oh, and as an early voter in my US state (to remain unnamed, but
it ended up voting blue) what boggled my mind was when I sat down
at a table and presented my voter registration card to the lady,
she eyed me up and down while trying three times over the space
of a few minutes to "find me in the system" (as I stared her
back) before she actually did. I wonder if with my recent buzz
cut I looked too much like a vet. (I'm not. It just saves me
money to do it myself that way.) There has got to be a lot of
slip between the cup and the lip.
Tim| 11.7.08 @ 5:10PM
Stealing Elections is routine in some circles.
Take Unions for instance. It is routine for many Union Officials
to stuff ballot boxes in contract votes but even worse they do it
in their own Officer elections where they deny a rank and file
union member the chance to be elected.
Check Out UNCHARTED.CA and click on your union and you will be
amazed at what goes on.
Acorn is just another "Union" type organization who's only
purpose is to get Democtrats elected.
Don't get me wrong, if Acorn was not receiving our tax money they
can speak for the dems and most folks wouldn't care other than
their illegal vote getting schemes which is much more blatant
than traditional Unions but then again they have had much more
practice.
Most everyone knows that the union dues money is the political
milk and honey for the Dems but some people actually believed
that Acorn was an organization that was fair and balanced.
The good news is that polls now show that the majority of people
now believe that they are in the tank for the Dems. We need to
build on this knowledge so that they will be castrated by the
time the 2010 election rolls around.
malm| 11.7.08 @ 6:57PM
Gee sorry Fred. I also screwed up du jour, guess you missed that.
I work hard with my hands like Sarah's fella, and Joe the
plumber. Not condusive to typing skills like you, a card carrying
, chattering class dweeb. But guess what without my vote and that
of my wife a great R.N., you and your hero LIMPFRAU will be in a
90 per cent tax bracket. So start kissing my ass or lose even
bigger. And please don"t threaten me with that Atlas Shrugged
crap.
Amy| 11.8.08 @ 4:44PM
This should not be a partisan issue. Everyone I know, (Dems,
Republicans, Greens, Libertarians) They all agree, we should have
a trustworthy voting system. I found this info pretty quickly,
just google it yourself if you don't believe me.
Here's what happened with Acorn. They hired people to register
voters of any party. Some of them, instead of doing their jobs,
filled out forms with fake information. When they were found out,
Acorn fired them. The registrations had to be submitted,
according to law, to town clerks, but they were separated and
marked to help the town clerks officially disqualify them. Mickey
Mouse did not show up at the polls.
In fact, the Bush administration has spent lots of time searching
out actual voter fraud and found almost none. (one source says 11
convictions out of 37 cases over five years)
There is, however, lots of evidence that real voters were denied
for reasons like this: the name on their driver's license had a
full middle name, but their registration has an inital. Or they
neglected the Jr. on a student ID. Just look up the elderly nuns
who were denied their primary votes because their driver's
licenses had expired. They were over 80, were not driving
anymore, and the information on the license was all correct and
some were known to the pollworkers personally.
I don't know anyone who thinks this is how our elections should
be. Tell me, are the loudly partisan Republicans here happy that
those Sisters couldn't vote?
Aquinas| 11.8.08 @ 5:43PM
Malm, calm down and learn to spell and punctuate. It's
"riddance", "hopeless" , "conducive" , and "absolutists". By the
way, most analogies are fallacious.
bobby b| 11.8.08 @ 6:25PM
"How is it that the dead always seem to vote Democrat?"
- - - - -
If you'll never have to worry about taxes again, making
government pay for everything you don't want to pay for yourself
sounds great!
malm| 11.8.08 @ 7:27PM
Sorry Aquinass, I think there is some thing called spell check on
this computer thingamajig, and as for grammar or grammer or
gramma? Well I guess I need to dust off my old copy of Strunks.
Is it Strunks or Krunks ? What I need is a dikshunery, and some
reading glasses. Anyhow , I am rusty on the stuff your brilliant
mind has detected as lacking in proficiency or is it profisiency
or profficiencey, or is it , Jesus I wish I could ask Sarah
Pallin to help me out. Cheap shot I like her. Anyhow all these
years I was counting on smart fellas like you to keep the smart
fellas on the side in at least some kinda stalemate. But, well in
that you are getting your rear ends kicked by meatballs like
Matthews and Oberman , and as a consequence my country that I
fought for in Viet Nam is in jeopardy from the left ; I am just
trying to explain to you ideological purists who live in some
weird artificial universe that winning elections is job one, and
the only thing you need from linguini spined moderates like say
Mike Dewine(remember him in the good old days when we had a
senate majority-but he was bad. Some kinda gang of 14 outrage
that had you boys steaming) is to vote for a Republican Majority
Leader, and for us when he can without doing anything too
rightwing, so as to not lose the next election to a real nut job
lefty who votes for Harry Reid as Majority Leader. However, that
is big tent inclusiveness(mispelled I am sure, do not care), and
appreciating a moderate , something RL won't stand. And by the
way as long as that jerk is your hero , and maximum leader you
will always be my intellectual inferior. Oh, I take that back.
Please help me be a smart , savy or is it savvy(gee being a
writer really is hard work}, anyhow be my friend and explain to
me how crying for the super rich all the time , if it is even
whispered they might get a tax increase, and beating up on the
little guy when he gets a minimum wage bone is gonna help us win
Ohio back. Don't lay the Laffer curve on me, and all of that ,
not working, just like alot of your fellow Americans are not
working. What we have here is a failure to communicate to the
voters no matter how superb our grammar and spelink. So, go on
you brainiacs make sure we run further to the right , and I am
sure Sarah and Rick will be magic in 2012, and this dope will eat
his humble pie gladly. Well so long Aquinas. Give me your adress
and I will send you a Washington Generals tee shirt for
Christmas. You could have been their waterboy. Meanwhile where is
the GOP's Meadowlark Lemon ? I know he aint smoking 500 dollars
cigars in his mansion. Sorry, I had to throw in at least one
aint. Did I need to put that in itallics, or ittallics, or
ittalics, or just plane old italics ? Darn this writing stuff is
hard. No more for me. I'm gonna wait till after 2010, and 2012,
and give my few bucks to the party, and others. My wife sent a
small amount to that lovely woman in Minnasotta. Glad she did it.
Maybe you guys really do know how to win elections. Hope so.
russ| 11.8.08 @ 10:29PM
You mean there's actually a difference between Franken the fairy
fool and the R.I.N.O. Colman?
Savy| 11.8.08 @ 11:26PM
So do we just sit back and let them take over? No.
1. Identify and define these groups to the public.
2. Penetrate organizations with "volunteers"/monitors.
3. Penetrate networks to monitor/counter/neutralize.
3. Identify and target heads of their organization and front
groups.
4. Make the ones in political positions known to public and
identify them with their theft and corruption of the political
process.
4. Eliminate the heads.
5. Return true one man/one vote to the people
People we are in a war. These people are not that
differetn from the jihadist we face. They both believe the ends
justify the means. Who is going
to fight them? The Obama Justice Department?
Savymedia| 11.8.08 @ 11:42PM
So do we just sit back and let them take over? No.
1. Identify and define these groups to the public.
2. Penetrate organizations with "volunteers"/monitors.
3. Penetrate networks to monitor/counter/neutralize.
4. Identify and target heads of their organization and front
groups.
5. Make the ones in political positions known to public and
identify them with their theft and corruption of the political
process.
6. Eliminate the heads.
7. Return true one man/one vote to the people
People we are in a war. These people are not that
different from the jihadist we face. They both believe the ends
justify the means. Who is going
to fight them? The Obama Justice Department?
Beatrice| 11.9.08 @ 11:45AM
Now the whole world knows that ACORN is the EVIL Army of
Communist, and Communism threats the Democracy. Obama won from
election fraud. Obama does not even have a real birth
certificate. If he does why does he hide?
He was born in Kenya from his Kenyan Dad.
Fraud candidate & fraud election. He got money, so the White
House was sold to Obama, the scammer.
herseyK| 11.9.08 @ 4:23PM
Amy - I hope you're just naive. Otherwise I wouldn't bother
replying. Have you every been in a town clerk's office and seen
what they do? Or a county clerks office - as some states control
the voter registration by county? Are there other levels in other
states?
Did you verify the source of where you got your info about ACORN
? It's almost word for word out of the DNC office via Acorn to
AP. Actually compared to most crimes - I think that 11 out of 37
is quite high a ratio! Notwithstanding the difficulty in making a
case in primarily democratic bastions.
Arizona Dave| 11.9.08 @ 8:58PM
A photo ID. presented at the polls is the only sure way to
prevent fraud.
stphdys| 11.10.08 @ 1:53PM
I would doubt that they can because the republicans control the
software to some of the voting machines, and have privatized the
central processing of ballet to a right wing company in Tennesse.
Further more acorn can't create actual voters.
Pollwatcher| 11.10.08 @ 5:41PM
A photo ID requirement would be nice, but what is more important
is that you have a Republican organization that can put watchers
at the polls where fraud is most likely to occur. I know from
personal experience that did not happen in Cleveland and probably
many other big cities last week. As Ronald Reagan said, "Trust
but verify!"
guywhothinksforhimself| 11.13.08 @ 11:30AM
"I would doubt that they can because the republicans control the
software to some of the voting machines, and have privatized the
central processing of ballet to a right wing company in Tennesse.
Further more acorn can't create actual voters. "
Are you kidding me?! What next, the Republicans control what you
eat, what you spend your money on, where you shit, how you
vote... this list could go on. Wake up America and stop making
excuses! Anyone who is trying to manipulate an election is not a
TRUE American and thus trying to abolish the democracy this
country was founded on. I wish more people would think for
themselves instead of conforming to a particular party's beliefs.
Hell I know 75% of my friends knew absolutely nothing about
either candidate but voted for Obama because that's what everyone
else was doing (keep in mind we're talking college students).
/end rant
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daddio| 11.7.08 @ 6:34AM
This is what we have to look forward to for the next 20 years or so. This is who the democrats bring to the table. The radicals of the 60s won. The American people lost. Viva la revolucion!
malm| 11.7.08 @ 8:41AM
I understand the democrats have been busy, but so have republicans doing all that hard work like listening to talk radio and visiting conservative websites and blogs. Oh, and watching Fox. Is this not enough ? Is this not enough ? Afterall our fearless leader, the all knowing one, has instructed us to believe the enemey are maggot infested, dopesmoking , drooling embeciles educated through the public schools, and live and die by hollywood values. Yet, if politics were basketball, they would be the Harlem Globetrotters, and we the whitebread chump team do jour. Looks like all this rugged individualism can't compete. WE gotta form our own groups. We must become more collectivist. Yikes we must "organize", like heaven forbid, UNIONS. First we need a new point guard, going back to hoops analogy. Cut the " doctor of democracy" from the squad. He is the TO of the GOP.We need team players who will share the ball with everybody, even moderates. Even linguini spined moderates like John Chaffee of RI(not his son-he is a joke). Our point guard called Chaffee linguini spined , even though he served in WW2 and Korea as a Marine officer. Not one of you rightwing absolutist had a kind word for him when he passed on. Or else I missed it. Our point guard who was never a Marine probably said good riddence. How did such people become the only counterforce to the mighty Democrat army that is gearing up for the final assault on the America we honor and love. But, hey dig in. Man the battle stations. The dems might raise the minimum wage, now stopping some poor guy from gaining 50 cents and hour is a cause worth fighting for. Hopless, hopless, hopless. Third party anyone? Anyone?
Fred| 11.7.08 @ 11:40AM
Ordinarily I wouldn't stoop to pointing out such a thing but in this context your misspelling of "imbecile" is delightfully ironic.
StrongProgressive| 11.7.08 @ 12:08PM
To Republicans who think that "voter fraud" is a real phenomenon: it's not. How do I know? Because there's no proof or any documentation of it ANYWHERE. Where's the "voter fraud" that you so blatantly claim is happening? In Minnesota in 2006 there were a reported 3 (as in 1, 2, 3) people who voted who shouldn't have, out of the millions of votes cast. And yet, Republicans and their minions talk about it as if it's a real threat. What IS real is stolen elections - which Republicans engineered - in both 2000 and 2004. What a brilliant idea they have, though. Deflect attention from their REAL election theft by creating FAKE threats about threats to electoral integrity.
We know what you're up to.
Large voter turnouts hurt your cause and therefore you do all you can to prevent it. Have you no shame? Thankfully in Minnesota, we have a Secretary of State who actually believes in the right to vote, unlike his predecessor who tried to suppress the vote, including saying that Native Americans couldn't use their tribal ID's to cast ballots.
Frankly, those who oversee elections shouldn't be partisans at all. It makes no good democratic sense to have people faithful to one party or another overseeing the election system. Secretaries of State should be nonpartisan offices and I've thought that for a long time, even when we had a well-respected democrat who held our state office for 20 years (Joan Growe). That said, however, I'm extremely grateful that we have someone in office currently who defends our right to vote and doesn't try to come up with tactics to suppress the vote.
And one more thing. You uber patriots who try to claim a monopoly on being American - there's nothing more American than voting. So if you want a contest between you and us progressives who actually BELIEVE IN VOTING - we'll take you any day.
Tim| 11.7.08 @ 12:34PM
Voting Yes, Stealing Elections No!
There is a vast leap between the two.
Acorn is about stealing elections because in their view that the end justifies the means.
Every legal person should vote but in an honest manner.
Griff| 11.7.08 @ 12:57PM
How is it that the dead always seem to vote Democrat?
Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 1:05PM
Strong (as in Odor) Progressive (as in towards some dark, dank place)
Shouldn't weeding out invalid registrations in a state have equal impact upon all parties in that state, to the extent that a portion of this due to random error is keeping otherwise eligible voters out? Why are Democrats swearing up and down that this is hurting them but not their opponents?
Mikecampbelly2k| 11.7.08 @ 1:21PM
Would someone volunteer to send the honorable Strong Progressive a copy of John Fund's well documented book "Stealing Elections: How Voter Fraud Threatens Our Democracy" I look forward to any refutations the Strong Progressive has when he is finished reading the book.
sestamibi| 11.7.08 @ 2:25PM
As a former resident, I know that voters in Minnesota do not register by party, so how does Strong Progressive know that purging voter rolls would affect the DFL party disproportionately?
Red Neck| 11.7.08 @ 3:22PM
Oh, and as an early voter in my US state (to remain unnamed, but it ended up voting blue) what boggled my mind was when I sat down at a table and presented my voter registration card to the lady, she eyed me up and down while trying three times over the space of a few minutes to "find me in the system" (as I stared her back) before she actually did. I wonder if with my recent buzz cut I looked too much like a vet. (I'm not. It just saves me money to do it myself that way.) There has got to be a lot of slip between the cup and the lip.
Tim| 11.7.08 @ 5:10PM
Stealing Elections is routine in some circles.
Take Unions for instance. It is routine for many Union Officials to stuff ballot boxes in contract votes but even worse they do it in their own Officer elections where they deny a rank and file union member the chance to be elected.
Check Out UNCHARTED.CA and click on your union and you will be amazed at what goes on.
Acorn is just another "Union" type organization who's only purpose is to get Democtrats elected.
Don't get me wrong, if Acorn was not receiving our tax money they can speak for the dems and most folks wouldn't care other than their illegal vote getting schemes which is much more blatant than traditional Unions but then again they have had much more practice.
Most everyone knows that the union dues money is the political milk and honey for the Dems but some people actually believed that Acorn was an organization that was fair and balanced.
The good news is that polls now show that the majority of people now believe that they are in the tank for the Dems. We need to build on this knowledge so that they will be castrated by the time the 2010 election rolls around.
malm| 11.7.08 @ 6:57PM
Gee sorry Fred. I also screwed up du jour, guess you missed that. I work hard with my hands like Sarah's fella, and Joe the plumber. Not condusive to typing skills like you, a card carrying , chattering class dweeb. But guess what without my vote and that of my wife a great R.N., you and your hero LIMPFRAU will be in a 90 per cent tax bracket. So start kissing my ass or lose even bigger. And please don"t threaten me with that Atlas Shrugged crap.
Amy| 11.8.08 @ 4:44PM
This should not be a partisan issue. Everyone I know, (Dems, Republicans, Greens, Libertarians) They all agree, we should have a trustworthy voting system. I found this info pretty quickly, just google it yourself if you don't believe me.
Here's what happened with Acorn. They hired people to register voters of any party. Some of them, instead of doing their jobs, filled out forms with fake information. When they were found out, Acorn fired them. The registrations had to be submitted, according to law, to town clerks, but they were separated and marked to help the town clerks officially disqualify them. Mickey Mouse did not show up at the polls.
In fact, the Bush administration has spent lots of time searching out actual voter fraud and found almost none. (one source says 11 convictions out of 37 cases over five years)
There is, however, lots of evidence that real voters were denied for reasons like this: the name on their driver's license had a full middle name, but their registration has an inital. Or they neglected the Jr. on a student ID. Just look up the elderly nuns who were denied their primary votes because their driver's licenses had expired. They were over 80, were not driving anymore, and the information on the license was all correct and some were known to the pollworkers personally.
I don't know anyone who thinks this is how our elections should be. Tell me, are the loudly partisan Republicans here happy that those Sisters couldn't vote?
Aquinas| 11.8.08 @ 5:43PM
Malm, calm down and learn to spell and punctuate. It's "riddance", "hopeless" , "conducive" , and "absolutists". By the way, most analogies are fallacious.
bobby b| 11.8.08 @ 6:25PM
"How is it that the dead always seem to vote Democrat?"
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malm| 11.8.08 @ 7:27PM
Sorry Aquinass, I think there is some thing called spell check on this computer thingamajig, and as for grammar or grammer or gramma? Well I guess I need to dust off my old copy of Strunks. Is it Strunks or Krunks ? What I need is a dikshunery, and some reading glasses. Anyhow , I am rusty on the stuff your brilliant mind has detected as lacking in proficiency or is it profisiency or profficiencey, or is it , Jesus I wish I could ask Sarah Pallin to help me out. Cheap shot I like her. Anyhow all these years I was counting on smart fellas like you to keep the smart fellas on the side in at least some kinda stalemate. But, well in that you are getting your rear ends kicked by meatballs like Matthews and Oberman , and as a consequence my country that I fought for in Viet Nam is in jeopardy from the left ; I am just trying to explain to you ideological purists who live in some weird artificial universe that winning elections is job one, and the only thing you need from linguini spined moderates like say Mike Dewine(remember him in the good old days when we had a senate majority-but he was bad. Some kinda gang of 14 outrage that had you boys steaming) is to vote for a Republican Majority Leader, and for us when he can without doing anything too rightwing, so as to not lose the next election to a real nut job lefty who votes for Harry Reid as Majority Leader. However, that is big tent inclusiveness(mispelled I am sure, do not care), and appreciating a moderate , something RL won't stand. And by the way as long as that jerk is your hero , and maximum leader you will always be my intellectual inferior. Oh, I take that back. Please help me be a smart , savy or is it savvy(gee being a writer really is hard work}, anyhow be my friend and explain to me how crying for the super rich all the time , if it is even whispered they might get a tax increase, and beating up on the little guy when he gets a minimum wage bone is gonna help us win Ohio back. Don't lay the Laffer curve on me, and all of that , not working, just like alot of your fellow Americans are not working. What we have here is a failure to communicate to the voters no matter how superb our grammar and spelink. So, go on you brainiacs make sure we run further to the right , and I am sure Sarah and Rick will be magic in 2012, and this dope will eat his humble pie gladly. Well so long Aquinas. Give me your adress and I will send you a Washington Generals tee shirt for Christmas. You could have been their waterboy. Meanwhile where is the GOP's Meadowlark Lemon ? I know he aint smoking 500 dollars cigars in his mansion. Sorry, I had to throw in at least one aint. Did I need to put that in itallics, or ittallics, or ittalics, or just plane old italics ? Darn this writing stuff is hard. No more for me. I'm gonna wait till after 2010, and 2012, and give my few bucks to the party, and others. My wife sent a small amount to that lovely woman in Minnasotta. Glad she did it. Maybe you guys really do know how to win elections. Hope so.
russ| 11.8.08 @ 10:29PM
You mean there's actually a difference between Franken the fairy fool and the R.I.N.O. Colman?
Savy| 11.8.08 @ 11:26PM
So do we just sit back and let them take over? No.
1. Identify and define these groups to the public.
2. Penetrate organizations with "volunteers"/monitors.
3. Penetrate networks to monitor/counter/neutralize.
3. Identify and target heads of their organization and front groups.
4. Make the ones in political positions known to public and identify them with their theft and corruption of the political process.
4. Eliminate the heads.
5. Return true one man/one vote to the people
People we are in a war. These people are not that
differetn from the jihadist we face. They both believe the ends justify the means. Who is going
to fight them? The Obama Justice Department?
Savymedia| 11.8.08 @ 11:42PM
So do we just sit back and let them take over? No.
1. Identify and define these groups to the public.
2. Penetrate organizations with "volunteers"/monitors.
3. Penetrate networks to monitor/counter/neutralize.
4. Identify and target heads of their organization and front groups.
5. Make the ones in political positions known to public and identify them with their theft and corruption of the political process.
6. Eliminate the heads.
7. Return true one man/one vote to the people
People we are in a war. These people are not that
different from the jihadist we face. They both believe the ends justify the means. Who is going
to fight them? The Obama Justice Department?
Beatrice| 11.9.08 @ 11:45AM
Now the whole world knows that ACORN is the EVIL Army of Communist, and Communism threats the Democracy. Obama won from election fraud. Obama does not even have a real birth certificate. If he does why does he hide?
He was born in Kenya from his Kenyan Dad.
Fraud candidate & fraud election. He got money, so the White House was sold to Obama, the scammer.
herseyK| 11.9.08 @ 4:23PM
Amy - I hope you're just naive. Otherwise I wouldn't bother replying. Have you every been in a town clerk's office and seen what they do? Or a county clerks office - as some states control the voter registration by county? Are there other levels in other states?
Did you verify the source of where you got your info about ACORN ? It's almost word for word out of the DNC office via Acorn to AP. Actually compared to most crimes - I think that 11 out of 37 is quite high a ratio! Notwithstanding the difficulty in making a case in primarily democratic bastions.
Arizona Dave| 11.9.08 @ 8:58PM
A photo ID. presented at the polls is the only sure way to prevent fraud.
stphdys| 11.10.08 @ 1:53PM
I would doubt that they can because the republicans control the software to some of the voting machines, and have privatized the central processing of ballet to a right wing company in Tennesse. Further more acorn can't create actual voters.
Pollwatcher| 11.10.08 @ 5:41PM
A photo ID requirement would be nice, but what is more important is that you have a Republican organization that can put watchers at the polls where fraud is most likely to occur. I know from personal experience that did not happen in Cleveland and probably many other big cities last week. As Ronald Reagan said, "Trust but verify!"
guywhothinksforhimself| 11.13.08 @ 11:30AM
"I would doubt that they can because the republicans control the software to some of the voting machines, and have privatized the central processing of ballet to a right wing company in Tennesse. Further more acorn can't create actual voters. "
Are you kidding me?! What next, the Republicans control what you eat, what you spend your money on, where you shit, how you vote... this list could go on. Wake up America and stop making excuses! Anyone who is trying to manipulate an election is not a TRUE American and thus trying to abolish the democracy this country was founded on. I wish more people would think for themselves instead of conforming to a particular party's beliefs. Hell I know 75% of my friends knew absolutely nothing about either candidate but voted for Obama because that's what everyone else was doing (keep in mind we're talking college students).
/end rant
John| 1.9.09 @ 11:58PM
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