After allowing Democrats for weeks to argue that their Medicare
cuts would both help finance the new health care legislation and
extend the solvency of Medicare, the Congressional Budget Office
explained today that the bill could do one or the other, but not
both at the same time.
The
new memo, released after Democrats have already secured 60
votes, reads:
The key point is that the savings to the HI (Medicare
Hospital Insurance) trust fund under the PPACA (Patient
Protection and Affordable Care Act) would be received by the
government only once, so they cannot be set aside to pay for
future Medicare spending and, at the same time, pay for current
spending on other parts of the legislation or on other
programs. Trust fund accounting shows the magnitude of
the savings within the trust fund, and those savings indeed
improve the solvency of that fund; however, that accounting
ignores the burden that would be faced by the rest of the
government later in redeeming the bonds held by the trust fund.
Unified budget accounting shows that the majority of the HI
trust fund savings would be used to pay for other spending
under the PPACA and would not enhance the ability of the
government to redeem the bonds credited to the trust fund to
pay for future Medicare benefits. To describe the full
amount of HI trust fund savings as both improving the
government’s ability to pay future Medicare benefits and
financing new spending outside of Medicare would essentially
double-count a large share of those savings and thus overstate
the improvement in the government’s fiscal position.
Sen. Jeff Sessions, after conversing with CBO director Doug
Elmendorf, said that without the revenue from the Medicare cuts,
the bill would actually increase deficts by nearly $300 billion,
FoxNews
reports.
"Either you've weakened the Medicare substantially or you're
going to have no money to spend on the new program that's being
created," Sessions said. "You cannot spend this money twice."
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Randy| 12.23.09 @ 2:09PM
Who's John Galt?
Atlas Srugd| 12.25.09 @ 5:29PM
Exactly right!
Jack Kinch(1uncle)| 12.23.09 @ 2:57PM
'After allowing Democrats for weeks to argue that their Medicare
cuts would both help finance the new health care legislation and
extend the solvency of Medicare, the Congressional Budget Office
explained today that the bill could do one or the other, but not
both at the same time'.
The bad thing here is that some people have to be told this and
didn't already assume the obvious. We are dealing with Chicago
crooks here
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janranch| 12.23.09 @ 3:18PM
AHHHHH I SEE THE LIGHT. All day today I have been reading between
the lines about this president now wanting to focus on the
deficit and jobs. SOMEONE GOT TO HIM AND SAID YOU WILL NOT WIN
THIS HEALTH CARE BILL SO START TALKING ABOUT THE DEFICIT. My god
I thought Chicago crooks were invinsible, but very happy to say
they are just plain ordinary crooks and are being found out for
what they are. alexelrod, obama, and the biggest crook raum....
Eliis Wyatt| 12.23.09 @ 3:31PM
Someone send this to Joe Lieberman asap!
SteveMT| 12.23.09 @ 3:39PM
There is a special place reserved in Hell for these people, who
deceive on such important issues. The Constitution is being spat
upon by these people. The Budget Office is now complicit in these
lies to the American People. Why did the Budget Office wait to
set the record straight? May they all rot in Hell for destroying
the best, albeit imperfect, health care system in the world.
Welcome enslavement for us and future generations.
glenny| 12.23.09 @ 3:41PM
Medicare "savings (cuts)"? I'm in the healthcare industry. As
Mcare reimbursements are cut, more and more providers will opt
out of the Mcare program. Doctors will NOT continue to see more
and more patients and get paid less and less. They will work less
and get paid the same as they presently make.
Tell your elder relatives to brace themselves for when they
CANNOT set up an appointment to see their doc. glenny
sre| 12.23.09 @ 3:47PM
I am a business lawyer with an MBA and 25 years experience in
financial matters. But I have no earthly idea what that memo is
attempting to clarify nor do I understand the "key point." I'm
going to guess that most of the Democrat journalism majors who
see it are going to be just as confused and therefore content to
ignore it.
I suppose that is the whole point.
D J Beltran MD| 12.23.09 @ 4:52PM
Thank God you aren't my lawyer. It would seem that when dealing
with real money it is not possible to rob Peter to pay Paul, then
have Peter try to spend the money that was just stolen from his
stash.
But then what could one expect from modern higher education. I
know from having worked in one that medical education has no
regard for students or patients, just go get a politically
correct piece of th pigg and publish some numbers that agree with
the politically correct goals of our legislators, currently
referred to as 'Evidence Based Medicine. The only evidence that
is presented by the funded research is the clear fact that the
primary author knows his way around the NIH hierarchy. The NIH is
the first successful political ploy of the take over of medical
care plotted by FDR, scripted by Professor Edwin Witte, PhD and
has existed as the guiding light of the left wing politicians
since in the unrelenting march to a socialist dictatorship.
sre| 12.24.09 @ 9:30AM
But I thought the point was that Peter would just reimburse you
less.
I'm not saying that's fair; I'm just saying that's what I hear
when I hear about a Medicare cut.
I'm sure I lost the thread when they started referring to the
magical trust fund.
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bobc| 12.24.09 @ 8:40AM
There is something very wrong, when our politicians can keep
ripping off tax payers and never be arrested...but if the normal
citizen does things they are doing...you'd be in jail!
Pass the word - Democrats hate our elderly citizens, but love
illegal aliens!
Gee. It's almost as though politicians are lying. But, that can't
be. Because we 'believe' in them.
Are Americans really this stupid?
gneubeck| 12.24.09 @ 10:41AM
"IF" Obama is successful in implementing his Socialized Health
Care Reform -and- his commercially destructive Cap and Tax
legislation, the economic recovery WILL BE aborted; and, this
Nation WILL EXPERIENCE a double-dip recession; and, IN ALL
PROBABILITY, an economic contraction far worse.
Fiscal circumstances which will be exacerbated by the pending
expiration of the Bush tax cuts which, as a result of expanded
child tax credits and earned income tax credits, reduced the
share of individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of
American taxpayers from 0% to -4%; and, took another ten million
low income Americans completely off of the tax roles. The
expiration of the Bush tax cuts will lead to a $2.4 trillion tax
increase over the next decade.
One would instinctively ask: "Does the man NOT have the minimal
economic acumen to realize that our struggling economy DOES NOT
HAVE the resiliency to absorb such massive tax increases from
these multiple societal adjustments at this precarious moment?".
But, the question necessitates a failure to acknowledge that it's
Obama's obvious intention to destroy the free-enterprise
structure that has made America the most prosperous Nation in the
history of mankind; and, to replace it with the Socialist
structure from his native Kenya.
Obama is in fact the "Reparator In Chief"; and, will willingly
resort to the thuggery techniques that he employed as a
"Community Agitator" in Chicago to achieve his objectives. Take a
moment, and reflect on the financial millstone that the Obama
agenda is hanging on your children's future potential for
achieving prosperity!
Obama's perverted view of American society is unequivocally
reflected in his choice of the White House TSARS. Individuals who
reflect some of the most radical extremist philosophies on the
political scene. While refusing to be beguiled by the nebulous
psychosis of "HOPE", each American should accept the obligation
to research the background on Obama's TSAR corps. Research which
will expose those who ridicule others "who cling to their
Bibles", while they seek their own guidance from Mao's "Little
Red Book".
Just minimal review verifies that the Obama agenda is anathema to
EVERY patriotic America who reveres our Constitution; and, the
heritage espoused by our founding fathers. Obama's Marxist psyche
simply WILL NOT ACCEPT the concept of American "exceptionalism";
and, compels him to apologize for America's world status at every
opportunity. And, belay the "racism" nonsense.
As noted in a recent Scottish cartoon: "Barackside WON'T cure
your pimples as claimed; but, it sure as heck will deplete your
wallet." ; and, unfortunately substantially more in the
process.
If we are to preserve our cherished heritage, it's essential that
we precipitate an electoral Tsunami in 2010. Concurrently, it's
becoming increasingly likely that Obama will take the Democrat
Party down with him. Good riddance. Greg Neubeck
…the performance of his representatives, when their careers are spent voting on titanic hundred-billion-dollar bills with thousands of clauses? Responsibility drowns beneath huge bills sold with fraudulent accounting , based on promises no one takes seriously, with results no one could possibly predict. What we have seen in the House and Senate during President Obama’s first year is not the behavior of a…
Steve| 12.24.09 @ 4:05PM
I cannot say with astute moral clarity that we are living in a
Democratic Republic. While our nation retains the framework that
has kept it free for more than two centuries, a structural
imbalance of power has all but transformed our union (if but
temporarily) into a dictatorship. Since we live in the present
(not the future or the past) we must be willing to acknowledge
this fact. Our government violates the constitution, passes
secret legislation, takes trillions of our dollars and
redistributes it as they see fit, and now seeks to socialize
medicine an attempt to gain more federal power, something that
the mass majority of Americans are against. These decisions are
being made against the will of the people, and our leadership is
using the imbalance of power to pass laws that the people would
never dream of passing. Any criticism of this is treated very
harshly by those in power, including the chief instigator; The
President of the United States himself, Barack Hussein Obama.
Many are looking forward to the next election to stop this
madness, yet we must ask ourselves if we should even wait this
long g to submit our States to this dangerous legislation. While
it is obvious that the Republicans have an edge in the next
election, we must also remember that there is a viable third
party element that can split the vote, and beyond this,
organizations such as ACORN and SEIU which will seek to keep
Democrats in power by fraud. Either one of these things can cause
complications which could lead to a majortity of Democrats
retaining the office. The simple fact is that we cannot, at all
cost, allow this legislation to pass, even if it doesn't kick in
for four years. It is too encompassing, too intrusive, and too
dictatorial. If the federal government passes this legislation,
then the States should respond by Succession from the Union.
Earlier last year this idea was floated by Gov. Perry, of Texas.
Many excoriated him for this, and I agree the call was premature,
but now, under this threatening legislation, I would argue that
Succession would be valid, under the 10th Amendment of the United
States. This legislation cannot be considered as equal to the
creation of Social Security, or Medicare, and while we can argue
to the constitutionality of the creation of these behemoths, this
is much more all-encompassing, and much more opposed by the
people of the United States, and because of this, we can argue
that the legislation is in violation of the 10th Amendment due to
the intrusion of the Federal Government into the States.
" The powers not delegated to the United States by the
Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to
the States respectively, or to the people"--10th Amendment
Steve| 12.24.09 @ 4:16PM
Update: I stated: "This legislation cannot be considered as equal
to the creation of Social Security, or Medicare, and while we can
argue to the constitutionality of the creation of these
behemoths, this is much more all-encompassing, and much more
opposed by the people of the United States, and because of this,
we can argue that the legislation is in violation of the 10th
Amendment due to the intrusion of the Federal Government into the
States."
I want to update this to state that the citing of the federal
government's creation of Social Security and Medicare, to argue
as to the constitutionality of healthcare reform would not be
accurate, due to all-encompassing nature of socialized medicine
and the opposition of the people, but also because it can be
argued that the passing of Social Security and Medicare were
unconstitutional even though they were passed, and the current
legislation is just bringing to light the abuses of our federal
government that have been occurring for decades now...abuses that
must be addressed. So we cannot point to federal legislation that
imposed social security and Medicare on the States because it can
be argued that these were also in violation of the Tenth
Amendment of the Constitution.
Dr A| 12.24.09 @ 6:42PM
Hello, Earth to conservatives? The memo did not say that they DID
double-count the money. They didn't. It's explaining, in response
to some Senator's query, why HE can't double-count the money.
Their estimate of deficit reduction in this latest memo is still
~ $130 billion, exactly as it was in the estimate they released
on Dec. 19th.
Come on, conservatives, the bill is over two thousand pages long.
There MUST be something that's ACTUALLY wrong with it --- some
fault you can find that doesn't involve stuff you made up.
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…question. And here are the blogs I found going on about how the CBO double counted HI savings: http://blog.flecksoflife.com/2009/12/23/the-democrats-just-a-bunch-of-gamers/ http://spectator.org/blog/2009/12/23/now-they-tell-us-cbo-double-co http://sayanythingblog.com/entry/shocker_cbo_double-counted_deficit_savings_from_medicare_cuts/ So essentially all of these sites are focusing on the phrase…
MarineReconDad asked: Last week, I wrote about a Congressional
Budget Office memo -- released too late to affect the outcome of
the health care vote -- that said Democrats couldn't use the same
money from cutting Medicare both to reduce the ...
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jim park| 12.23.09 @ 12:47PM
we need to encourage small business participation by having massive layoffs and driving up the unemployment rates, have docs create rolling shutdowns and instituting citizen enacted lawsuits against the health reforms. thanks
Randy| 12.23.09 @ 2:09PM
Who's John Galt?
Atlas Srugd| 12.25.09 @ 5:29PM
Exactly right!
Jack Kinch(1uncle)| 12.23.09 @ 2:57PM
'After allowing Democrats for weeks to argue that their Medicare cuts would both help finance the new health care legislation and extend the solvency of Medicare, the Congressional Budget Office explained today that the bill could do one or the other, but not both at the same time'.
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janranch| 12.23.09 @ 3:18PM
AHHHHH I SEE THE LIGHT. All day today I have been reading between the lines about this president now wanting to focus on the deficit and jobs. SOMEONE GOT TO HIM AND SAID YOU WILL NOT WIN THIS HEALTH CARE BILL SO START TALKING ABOUT THE DEFICIT. My god I thought Chicago crooks were invinsible, but very happy to say they are just plain ordinary crooks and are being found out for what they are. alexelrod, obama, and the biggest crook raum....
Eliis Wyatt| 12.23.09 @ 3:31PM
Someone send this to Joe Lieberman asap!
SteveMT| 12.23.09 @ 3:39PM
There is a special place reserved in Hell for these people, who deceive on such important issues. The Constitution is being spat upon by these people. The Budget Office is now complicit in these lies to the American People. Why did the Budget Office wait to set the record straight? May they all rot in Hell for destroying the best, albeit imperfect, health care system in the world. Welcome enslavement for us and future generations.
glenny| 12.23.09 @ 3:41PM
Medicare "savings (cuts)"? I'm in the healthcare industry. As Mcare reimbursements are cut, more and more providers will opt out of the Mcare program. Doctors will NOT continue to see more and more patients and get paid less and less. They will work less and get paid the same as they presently make.
Tell your elder relatives to brace themselves for when they CANNOT set up an appointment to see their doc. glenny
sre| 12.23.09 @ 3:47PM
I am a business lawyer with an MBA and 25 years experience in financial matters. But I have no earthly idea what that memo is attempting to clarify nor do I understand the "key point." I'm going to guess that most of the Democrat journalism majors who see it are going to be just as confused and therefore content to ignore it.
I suppose that is the whole point.
D J Beltran MD| 12.23.09 @ 4:52PM
Thank God you aren't my lawyer. It would seem that when dealing with real money it is not possible to rob Peter to pay Paul, then have Peter try to spend the money that was just stolen from his stash.
But then what could one expect from modern higher education. I know from having worked in one that medical education has no regard for students or patients, just go get a politically correct piece of th pigg and publish some numbers that agree with the politically correct goals of our legislators, currently referred to as 'Evidence Based Medicine. The only evidence that is presented by the funded research is the clear fact that the primary author knows his way around the NIH hierarchy. The NIH is the first successful political ploy of the take over of medical care plotted by FDR, scripted by Professor Edwin Witte, PhD and has existed as the guiding light of the left wing politicians since in the unrelenting march to a socialist dictatorship.
sre| 12.24.09 @ 9:30AM
But I thought the point was that Peter would just reimburse you less.
I'm not saying that's fair; I'm just saying that's what I hear when I hear about a Medicare cut.
I'm sure I lost the thread when they started referring to the magical trust fund.
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bobc| 12.24.09 @ 8:40AM
There is something very wrong, when our politicians can keep ripping off tax payers and never be arrested...but if the normal citizen does things they are doing...you'd be in jail!
Pass the word - Democrats hate our elderly citizens, but love illegal aliens!
Ruler4You| 12.24.09 @ 9:45AM
Gee. It's almost as though politicians are lying. But, that can't be. Because we 'believe' in them.
Are Americans really this stupid?
gneubeck| 12.24.09 @ 10:41AM
"IF" Obama is successful in implementing his Socialized Health Care Reform -and- his commercially destructive Cap and Tax legislation, the economic recovery WILL BE aborted; and, this Nation WILL EXPERIENCE a double-dip recession; and, IN ALL PROBABILITY, an economic contraction far worse.
Fiscal circumstances which will be exacerbated by the pending expiration of the Bush tax cuts which, as a result of expanded child tax credits and earned income tax credits, reduced the share of individual income taxes paid by the bottom 40% of American taxpayers from 0% to -4%; and, took another ten million low income Americans completely off of the tax roles. The expiration of the Bush tax cuts will lead to a $2.4 trillion tax increase over the next decade.
One would instinctively ask: "Does the man NOT have the minimal economic acumen to realize that our struggling economy DOES NOT HAVE the resiliency to absorb such massive tax increases from these multiple societal adjustments at this precarious moment?". But, the question necessitates a failure to acknowledge that it's Obama's obvious intention to destroy the free-enterprise structure that has made America the most prosperous Nation in the history of mankind; and, to replace it with the Socialist structure from his native Kenya.
Obama is in fact the "Reparator In Chief"; and, will willingly resort to the thuggery techniques that he employed as a "Community Agitator" in Chicago to achieve his objectives. Take a moment, and reflect on the financial millstone that the Obama agenda is hanging on your children's future potential for achieving prosperity!
Obama's perverted view of American society is unequivocally reflected in his choice of the White House TSARS. Individuals who reflect some of the most radical extremist philosophies on the political scene. While refusing to be beguiled by the nebulous psychosis of "HOPE", each American should accept the obligation to research the background on Obama's TSAR corps. Research which will expose those who ridicule others "who cling to their Bibles", while they seek their own guidance from Mao's "Little Red Book".
Just minimal review verifies that the Obama agenda is anathema to EVERY patriotic America who reveres our Constitution; and, the heritage espoused by our founding fathers. Obama's Marxist psyche simply WILL NOT ACCEPT the concept of American "exceptionalism"; and, compels him to apologize for America's world status at every opportunity. And, belay the "racism" nonsense.
As noted in a recent Scottish cartoon: "Barackside WON'T cure your pimples as claimed; but, it sure as heck will deplete your wallet." ; and, unfortunately substantially more in the process.
If we are to preserve our cherished heritage, it's essential that we precipitate an electoral Tsunami in 2010. Concurrently, it's becoming increasingly likely that Obama will take the Democrat Party down with him. Good riddance. Greg Neubeck
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Steve| 12.24.09 @ 4:05PM
I cannot say with astute moral clarity that we are living in a Democratic Republic. While our nation retains the framework that has kept it free for more than two centuries, a structural imbalance of power has all but transformed our union (if but temporarily) into a dictatorship. Since we live in the present (not the future or the past) we must be willing to acknowledge this fact. Our government violates the constitution, passes secret legislation, takes trillions of our dollars and redistributes it as they see fit, and now seeks to socialize medicine an attempt to gain more federal power, something that the mass majority of Americans are against. These decisions are being made against the will of the people, and our leadership is using the imbalance of power to pass laws that the people would never dream of passing. Any criticism of this is treated very harshly by those in power, including the chief instigator; The President of the United States himself, Barack Hussein Obama.
Many are looking forward to the next election to stop this madness, yet we must ask ourselves if we should even wait this long g to submit our States to this dangerous legislation. While it is obvious that the Republicans have an edge in the next election, we must also remember that there is a viable third party element that can split the vote, and beyond this, organizations such as ACORN and SEIU which will seek to keep Democrats in power by fraud. Either one of these things can cause complications which could lead to a majortity of Democrats retaining the office. The simple fact is that we cannot, at all cost, allow this legislation to pass, even if it doesn't kick in for four years. It is too encompassing, too intrusive, and too dictatorial. If the federal government passes this legislation, then the States should respond by Succession from the Union. Earlier last year this idea was floated by Gov. Perry, of Texas. Many excoriated him for this, and I agree the call was premature, but now, under this threatening legislation, I would argue that Succession would be valid, under the 10th Amendment of the United States. This legislation cannot be considered as equal to the creation of Social Security, or Medicare, and while we can argue to the constitutionality of the creation of these behemoths, this is much more all-encompassing, and much more opposed by the people of the United States, and because of this, we can argue that the legislation is in violation of the 10th Amendment due to the intrusion of the Federal Government into the States.
" The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people"--10th Amendment
Steve| 12.24.09 @ 4:16PM
Update: I stated: "This legislation cannot be considered as equal to the creation of Social Security, or Medicare, and while we can argue to the constitutionality of the creation of these behemoths, this is much more all-encompassing, and much more opposed by the people of the United States, and because of this, we can argue that the legislation is in violation of the 10th Amendment due to the intrusion of the Federal Government into the States."
I want to update this to state that the citing of the federal government's creation of Social Security and Medicare, to argue as to the constitutionality of healthcare reform would not be accurate, due to all-encompassing nature of socialized medicine and the opposition of the people, but also because it can be argued that the passing of Social Security and Medicare were unconstitutional even though they were passed, and the current legislation is just bringing to light the abuses of our federal government that have been occurring for decades now...abuses that must be addressed. So we cannot point to federal legislation that imposed social security and Medicare on the States because it can be argued that these were also in violation of the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution.
Dr A| 12.24.09 @ 6:42PM
Hello, Earth to conservatives? The memo did not say that they DID double-count the money. They didn't. It's explaining, in response to some Senator's query, why HE can't double-count the money.
Their estimate of deficit reduction in this latest memo is still ~ $130 billion, exactly as it was in the estimate they released on Dec. 19th.
Come on, conservatives, the bill is over two thousand pages long. There MUST be something that's ACTUALLY wrong with it --- some fault you can find that doesn't involve stuff you made up.
Surely?
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