These columns are more about Obama's speech than about Cheney's,
but both are absolutely on target, with great insights. My hat is
off to my friend Jed Babbin of Human Events for this
one,
Key lines:
President Obama wants to de-legitimize criticism of his ideas.
He insists that those who disagree with the closure of Gitmo --
or say that thousands of lives were saved because three
terrorists out of the hundreds we captured were waterboarded --
are betrayers of our Constitution.
Several times, he referenced the “fear-mongering” and climate
of fear he says propels the debate on closing the terrorist
detention facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. He says we are
ill-served by words that are “calculated to scare people rather
than educate them.”
Perhaps he was thinking of the words spoken by FBI Director
Robert Mueller on Wednesday. Pushed to agree that Gitmo
detainees could be kept safely in U.S. prisons, Mueller
demurred.
Mueller said that the FBI had grave concerns about Gitmo
detainees being brought into the US: “The concerns we have
about individuals who may support terrorism being in the United
States run from concerns about providing financing,
radicalizing others," as well as "the potential for individuals
undertaking attacks in the United States."
And my hat is off to Jay Cost of RealClearPolitics
for this one.
Key lines are that Obama's habit of "ad hominem" attacks on those
who disagree with him "obliterates any notion that the President
is treating his interlocutors with the presumption of good faith.
He says he is, but the rest of his speech doesn't follow through
- which makes the initial assertion sound like haughty,
hypocritical moralizing."
You just keep on keeping on...thinking about the truth.
You and I have put ourselves on all the lists of people to be
silenced.
My very best friend for all of my adult life tells me that I must
have a "martyr"
complex..."...and that isn't wise".
Darn it, Quin, I am tired of being wise!
Right in these days, our country is being dissolved right beneath
our feet. O's domestic/economic policies are ripping the guts out
of our economy, and his foreign policy is ripping the guts out of
our ability to protect ourselves and our allies.
I hope you have read my comment on the "Cheny indiscretions"
article. Mr. Cheny was on the opposite side of the negotiations
table from me...but we worked out a plan to get the darned
project completed...on time...and profitable for all concerned.
(That guy is really smart! Grin!)
(Oh my...I used that horrible word "profitable"). Aww to heck
with it, New Testament: "What doth it profit a man, to gain the
world ...and lose his soul".
Darn it! Profit is not a dirty word!
We have a hell of a mess on our plate here, Quin.
Thank you for your courage.
Ken
I think this post should be more interesting.
I really enjoy reading your blog. Keep it up the good work.
Oldefarte| 5.23.09 @ 11:27AM
Quin's [and others'] REASONING concerning Obama is intellectual
and accurate, in a debate sense; but the essential POINT is
missed. Before the 11/4/08 election, I stated that Obama
represented a TROJUN-HORSE political candidate, in that he would
say/do anything, or appear as anything, if same would
clandestinely mask his true self and succeed in getting him
elected. Pre-election, he was a moderate candidate, and now, he
is a radically-liberal President. He no longer has the need to
disguise himself, for he has WON [as he likes to inform his
adversaries]. He [and liberals] do not care about the
Constitution, morality,etc-----they simply use these as weapons
in arguing their [true] political positions. He wants to weaken
America, not make it stronger; so he uses the standard liberal
line about torture and right/wrong morality. He/they defend those
who attempted to destroy us on 9/11/01; instead of defending our
government and its [then] political and military leaders who were
attempting to protect and save us from destruction by these
terrorists. It's honorable and noble to argue [in debate fashion]
as to his/their reasons for their positions; but the bottom line
is that he [Obama]/they [liberals] are simply DEFENDING OUR
ENEMIES---so WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THEM??????
Murphy| 5.23.09 @ 12:40PM
Obama's "ad hominem attacks"?
Give me a break.
Ad hominem? Obama?
That is simply inaccurate. The man is attacked day in and day
out, around the clock, by fools like YOU who call him a "fascist"
and accuse him of "paling around with terrorists," but HE is
guilty of ad hominem attack?
No sir. Perhaps you should brush up on your Latin.
Murphy, perhaps you should observe Wikipedia's definition
[".......Ad hominem argument is most commonly used to refer
specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad
personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person
who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to
discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is
unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons,
the opponent disagrees with it...."], and therafter, stop making
yourself appear to be IMBECILIC!!!!
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detainees could be kept safely in U.S. prisons, Mueller demurred.
Old Texican| 5.22.09 @ 7:37PM
(Sigh)...Thank you again, Quin
You just keep on keeping on...thinking about the truth.
You and I have put ourselves on all the lists of people to be silenced.
My very best friend for all of my adult life tells me that I must have a "martyr"
complex..."...and that isn't wise".
Darn it, Quin, I am tired of being wise!
Right in these days, our country is being dissolved right beneath our feet. O's domestic/economic policies are ripping the guts out of our economy, and his foreign policy is ripping the guts out of our ability to protect ourselves and our allies.
I hope you have read my comment on the "Cheny indiscretions" article. Mr. Cheny was on the opposite side of the negotiations table from me...but we worked out a plan to get the darned project completed...on time...and profitable for all concerned. (That guy is really smart! Grin!)
(Oh my...I used that horrible word "profitable"). Aww to heck with it, New Testament: "What doth it profit a man, to gain the world ...and lose his soul".
Darn it! Profit is not a dirty word!
We have a hell of a mess on our plate here, Quin.
Thank you for your courage.
Ken
resveratrol| 5.23.09 @ 7:05AM
I think this post should be more interesting.
I really enjoy reading your blog. Keep it up the good work.
Oldefarte| 5.23.09 @ 11:27AM
Quin's [and others'] REASONING concerning Obama is intellectual and accurate, in a debate sense; but the essential POINT is missed. Before the 11/4/08 election, I stated that Obama represented a TROJUN-HORSE political candidate, in that he would say/do anything, or appear as anything, if same would clandestinely mask his true self and succeed in getting him elected. Pre-election, he was a moderate candidate, and now, he is a radically-liberal President. He no longer has the need to disguise himself, for he has WON [as he likes to inform his adversaries]. He [and liberals] do not care about the Constitution, morality,etc-----they simply use these as weapons in arguing their [true] political positions. He wants to weaken America, not make it stronger; so he uses the standard liberal line about torture and right/wrong morality. He/they defend those who attempted to destroy us on 9/11/01; instead of defending our government and its [then] political and military leaders who were attempting to protect and save us from destruction by these terrorists. It's honorable and noble to argue [in debate fashion] as to his/their reasons for their positions; but the bottom line is that he [Obama]/they [liberals] are simply DEFENDING OUR ENEMIES---so WHAT DOES THAT MAKE THEM??????
Murphy| 5.23.09 @ 12:40PM
Obama's "ad hominem attacks"?
Give me a break.
Ad hominem? Obama?
That is simply inaccurate. The man is attacked day in and day out, around the clock, by fools like YOU who call him a "fascist" and accuse him of "paling around with terrorists," but HE is guilty of ad hominem attack?
No sir. Perhaps you should brush up on your Latin.
Murphy| 5.23.09 @ 1:25PM
The American Way.
William R| 5.23.09 @ 2:55PM
Conservative radio hosts gets waterboarded, and lasts six seconds before saying its torture
http://rawstory.com/blog/2009/05/conservative-radio-hosts-waterboarded/
Oldefarte| 5.23.09 @ 4:22PM
Murphy, perhaps you should observe Wikipedia's definition [".......Ad hominem argument is most commonly used to refer specifically to the ad hominem abusive, or argumentum ad personam, which consists of criticizing or attacking the person who proposed the argument (personal attack) in an attempt to discredit the argument. It is also used when an opponent is unable to find fault with an argument, yet for various reasons, the opponent disagrees with it...."], and therafter, stop making yourself appear to be IMBECILIC!!!!
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