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Special Report
Boy Scouts, Churches, and Sex
After today, Scout’s Honor may become a thing of the past.
Today the Boy Scouts of America’s (BSA) National Executive Board may vote to revoke its longtime prohibition on homosexuality within membership and among adult Scout leaders. Instead, a proposed new policy would allow local units to set their own standards. The Scouts are being pressured by corporate sponsors, reportedly including UPS, Merck, and Intel, which are themselves pressured by LGBTQ groups. About 70 percent of Scout groups in the U.S. are sponsored by church or other religious groups, most of whom officially disapprove of homosexuality.
There are 2.7 million boys in the Boy Scouts of America, with over 1 million adult leaders, in 111,000 local units. Defenders of the BSA’s current policy cite Canadian scouting having lost over half its membership in five years after liberalizing its membership standards in 1998, including accepting open homosexuality.
The BSA’s Religious Relationships Task Force, meeting Monday, February 4 in Irving, Texas, unanimously asked the BSA to delay any decision about a change in policy pending more participation from the religious groups that host Boy Scouts. Top BSA officers were present for the two hour meeting, which was dominated by talk of the policy change, and where remarks were often emotional. The BSA executives said the policy shift was against their own beliefs but they were responding to counsel from attorneys and others about the changing cultural climate. Although BSA executives had previously informed some of the largest faith groups, smaller ones were not. Participants at the meeting included Christians, Jews and Muslims.
Meanwhile, some church and pro-family groups sponsored an ad in USA Today also on February 4 urging the Boy Scouts, who won a Supreme Court ruling in 2000, to hold firm to the current policy. Ad sponsors included the Family Research Council, the American Family Association, Concerned Women for America, and the Southern Baptist Convention’s Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission.
The ad declared: “Every American who believes in freedom of thought and religious liberty should be alarmed by the attacks upon the Boy Scouts, who have had core convictions about morality for 100 years.” It noted: “Every Scout takes an oath to keep himself ‘morally straight.’ The Boy Scouts have every right to include sexual conduct in how they define that term. Many of our organizations stood with the Boy Scouts when the Supreme Court of the United States upheld their right to maintain their membership standards. To compromise moral principles under political and financial pressure would teach boys cowardice, not courage.”
Southern Baptist churches are the sixth-largest religious sponsor of Boy Scout units, with over 4,000 groups and over 100,000 scouts. As his church’s public policy spokesman, Richard Land told the Boy Scouts that inviting homosexual men as Scout leaders would be akin to inviting heterosexual men to host camping trips for teenage girls, fueling needless “human tragedies.” Other Southern Baptist leaders, including the convention’s first black president, have implored the Boy Scouts not to surrender, and have asked Southern Baptists to pray that the Boy Scouts’ National Executive Board decide wisely. Southern Baptists also warned of an exodus from the Boy Scouts by traditional churches and their members.
Catholic Churches are the third-largest religious sponsor of Scout units, with over 8,500 groups and nearly 300,000 Scouts. The National Catholic Committee on Scouting also expressed hope that the Boy Scouts would retain their current stance, and that local Scout supporters would assert their views. Mormons are the largest religious sponsors of Scouting, with 38,000 units and 420,000 Scouts. Although the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints disapproves of homosexual behavior, it has not publicly commented on the Scouts’ most recently proposed policy change.
The Mormons and United Methodists, plus other major churches, endorsed amicus briefs supporting the Scouts’ policy during the litigation culminating with the 2000 U.S. Supreme Court ruling in defense of the Scouts’ policy. But this time, oddly, United Methodist officials, whose denomination has 11,000 Boy Scout units and over 370,000 Scouts, declined to defend the Scout policy. The United Methodist Church officially disapproves of homosexual behavior, prohibiting both actively homosexual clergy and any celebration of same-sex rites. But the president of the General Commission of United Methodist Men, which oversees the church’s Scouting programs, endorsed the policy change. He declared that United Methodism opposes discrimination based on “sexual orientation,” without acknowledging the church’s position on homosexuality. And he explained that the new proposed policy would permit local churches to “recruit the scouts, the leadership of your troop and pack reflects the traditions and values of your faith community.”
Of course, the United Methodist official failed to admit that the Boy Scouts’ proposed local option on sexual standards certainly will not mollify the outside pressure groups, including corporate interests, demanding the Scouts to renounce all “discrimination.” This new proposed policy likely would be only a relatively brief transitional step towards full affirmation of homosexual Scout leaders and ongoing pro-LGBTQ advocacy as intrinsic to a new nondiscrimination policy.
The New York Times editorialized that the proposed new “local option” Scouting policy would be “unprincipled,” noting this “partial move should hardly satisfy former donors who have been repelled by the Scouts’ discriminatory ways.” The Times also observed that the new proposed policy undermines the Scouts’ previous court victory and would “inevitably invite litigation.” No doubt.
Politically correct corporations threatening the Boy Scouts could cost hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars. But the churches and other religious groups that sponsor or provide most of the Scouts’ membership are mostly traditionalist. Their withdrawal or at least ambivalence about the Scouts could set the Scouts on a permanent downward spiral.
Scouting arose in the Edwardian era, informed by muscular Christianity, which merged manly and Christian virtues, emphasizing service, self-denial, discipline and chastity. These old school virtues, especially chastity, are considered odd in the current postmodern era of radical autonomy and self-actualization. By surrendering, the Boy Scouts will purchase some temporary corporate and media support. But they likely will ultimately lose many who actually care the most about Scouting, not only churches, but also future youth who will be bored by politically correct banality.
About the Author
Mark Tooley is president of the Institute on Religion and Democracy in Washington, D.C. and author of Methodism and Politics in the Twentieth Century. You can follow him on Twitter @markdtooley.
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Appleby| 2.6.13 @ 7:24AM
I realize that nobody believes in stepping North of 40 to see blatant proof that That Trick Never Works, but come up to Canada and see what a shambles the "Scouting" (there is no Boy Scouts, as girls must be admitted) program has become since they did what you are considering. And remember, "He Who Pays The Piper Calls The Tune." If GimmeeMoney is more important to you than your principles, Boy Scouts of America, don't come crying to me when you discover a huge pedophile ring with homosexual ringmasters in charge, which incidentally is just what happened when Vatican II started ordaining homosexuals....
Aristocat| 2.6.13 @ 7:42AM
Kudos to our Gov., Rick Perry, for standing up against the queer lobby.
usamale| 2.6.13 @ 11:10AM
If, on the remote, remote chance, the board does the unthinkable, the Mormons and the Catholics will pull out and the Scouts will be no more. Don't lose hope there are still men in this great country that will not be swayed!
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:04PM
Why is this so hard to understand?
When you only allow Men, who can never Marry, to join your ranks?
You're gonna get Men that don't want Women.
And, when you let Homosexuals into the Ranks of an Organization full of Young Boys?
Well, you know the answer.
JONVIL| 2.9.13 @ 6:12PM
Not so remote, why are they not just saying 'HELL NO' to the homo agenda???
Alan| 2.6.13 @ 7:38AM
First rule of the revolution is destroy the institutions that breed counter-revolutionaries.
Aristocat| 2.6.13 @ 7:41AM
Rhetorical question: "Why do gays, who are 2% of the population, always get everything they want, while we conservatives, who are 50% of the population, are defeated at every turn?"
Quartermaster| 2.6.13 @ 9:31AM
The problem is that conservatives are not 50% of the population, and the people of the US have become morally corrupt.
Citizen Jerry| 2.6.13 @ 10:27AM
Simple. The one who yells the loudest gets all the attention.
Stephie| 2.6.13 @ 4:25PM
Don't forget those that yell loudest have the perverse rank and file media on their side as well.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 5:11PM
Were you at The Contest?
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 2.7.13 @ 11:41AM
Let me quote from George Orwell's Animal Farm, "Some Animals Are More Equal Than Others".
The reason the fruits get what they want is that we aren't as militant in our opposition as they are in Russia or the Middle East. That may sound harsh but that's the reality.
JONVIL| 2.9.13 @ 6:09PM
The MSM.
Ronald54321| 2.6.13 @ 7:41AM
The United Methodist Church is a bad joke.
A Kulak| 2.6.13 @ 8:15AM
Amen to that.
Doctor Right| 2.6.13 @ 7:55AM
There's no reason that a new organization can't be formed to replace the role of the Boy Scouts.
And besides, political correctness has practically neutered the Boy Scouts, anyway. My son is a Cub Scout and he has fun, but most of what they do are arts & crafts, or pseudo-lefty drivel, like badges for "Caring about the environment."
Bob James| 2.6.13 @ 12:30PM
Quite so, Dr.
Since the Girl Scouts has become a great Komsomol farm club for NOW, advocating abortion and other issues critical to pre-pubescent girls, alternative organizations that still focus on Judeo-Christian morals have arisen. Frontier Girls and American Heritage Girls are two such. Not having daughters, I do not have first-hand (second-hand?) experience with theses alternatives.
But it can and must be done. As for me, not one dime more to the Boy Scouts of America if they cave to the catamite lobby.
Kingofthenet| 2.6.13 @ 12:38PM
The 'Royal Rangers' are some church based approximation.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:07PM
Just make the Boy Scouts a Private Club.
Then they can allow, or Disallow, anyone they want.
We still have a Freedom of Association in this Country.
At least, for now.
spike59| 2.7.13 @ 5:42AM
they are a private organization, and as such, have the absolute right to set their own membership rules
ag| 2.6.13 @ 8:00AM
As a mother of three Scouts, (two Eagles) and wife of a Scoutmaster, it breaks my heart that this moral and upright organization will cave to the homosexual lobby. So much for good role models....
R Martin| 2.6.13 @ 9:59AM
Ag, you, your husband and your sons are the real good role models. The BSA National Executive Board may cave to leftist pressure, but local troops can and should remain independent. In the matters that build character among young men scouting stands so much above homosexual pandering that the issue hardly deserves consideration.
The problem is the leftist slide in this country where simple tolerance of differences among people is insufficient. The left doesn’t want tolerance; they want those differences to be embraced no matter what moral contradictions may arise. This is bullying in its clearest sense.
That’s what should be breaking your heart but at the same time steeling your resolve to oppose them with all your might. Having three Eagle Scouts in the house and a husband who led them to that high achievement should be more than enough to zing your heart strings.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:11PM
What's the Pressure?
Just say No.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:11PM
Does ANYONE have any GUTS, anymore?
Joellen| 2.6.13 @ 8:08AM
UPS, MERC & INTEL caved to a minute group of people who are extortionist.
Yes, I am calling this radical Homosexual group a bunch of extortionist.
What else do you call a group of people who shakedown another group of people in the attempt to FORCE them to do something that goes against their principal? Anyone here remember Jesse Jackson?
This small group of radicals has more strength than ALL the above stated Religious groups - am I really suppose to believe this?
What I do believe, is just like the contraception article by George Neumayr, what is being fully revealed is OUR GOVERNMENT has taken over every aspect of our lives.
The liberal/marxist culture is succeeding in removing GOD from our lives and replacing HIM with what else, BIG GOVERNMENT!
What I cant believe is those of us who adhere to our faith, are being subjugated so seemingly easily.
Before I get the standard inane response from perp or arnie, this is NOT GOD's WILL. This was and is our choice.
Somehow I really thought by now, more of us would be willing to fight like warriors for our beliefs. I pray I am not wrong and in my lifetime I witness the likes of St. Michael taking down Satan.
Moe Blotz| 2.6.13 @ 9:22AM
The honorary president of the BSA, Barry H. Obama, has not attended a national jamboree during his reign as King of the USA. Perhaps he looks upon the organisation as a breeding ground for "bitter clingers".
Frank Drackman| 2.6.13 @ 11:41AM
it'll happen right after he visits Israel...
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:13PM
And, right after he's done Shooting That Gun, that he's always Shooting.
Stephie| 2.6.13 @ 4:29PM
The role of the left, communism, is to destroy the family unit.I bet if it weren't for them, we wouldn't be hearing a peep out of the gay community. I know gays who don't WANT gay marriage. They want to be left alone to live their lives. This is obama's team and the rest of the commies in our nation doing what they do best, destroy what was once a great nation.
I hope to God that the BSA says, "screw you Merck and the like. We don't want or need your dirty money".
delahaya| 2.22.13 @ 10:01AM
Interesting comment. The majority of gay people I know also don't care about gay marriage - they just want to be left alone also. We have a very small minority of elites somehow running things? Are we mice or men (and women)?
MacWell™| 2.7.13 @ 5:07AM
Joellen?
I'm afraid you're right.
We the people are either just too lazy to get involved, or, even worse, we've been broken.
We the people sat back and allowed one woman and nine, unelected, black robed men throw God from my classroom. Since then, America, our school system, and the American student's future have been circling the drain.
The left has the gaul to say there is no correlation?
The B.S.A. was the last chance for boys to become men, many without fathers.
It appears that it's up to us, we the people.
Will we stand with the B.S.A.?
Will we the people support them?
Think about it, if we did, they wouldn't need Merck's money.
MarkJeff| 2.6.13 @ 8:11AM
Oh yes, of course. We can't have any traditions with Liberals running amock these days. Everyone is sensitive. Everyone is a victim. Every one is to beware of traditions. All scouts will be forced to take sensitivity training with a gay scoutmaster! You think I'm crazy? Just wait. It will be required.
SUBVET| 2.6.13 @ 10:23AM
It all started when school tests were graded with blue ink instead of RED......when little league games didn't keep score.......on and on.
Standby..............
Frank Drackman| 2.6.13 @ 11:44AM
more accurately, it started with T-Ball...
and metastasized to Soccer,
American Kids, playing a European Socialist Sport that rewards faking injuries, instead of inflicting them...
Frank
Frank Drackman| 2.6.13 @ 8:59AM
Believe it or not, Little Frankie was a Boy Scout from 1972-75, when I turned my interest to Girl Scouts...
Not Girl Scouting, Jack, Girl Scouts...(There are some benefits to having a twin sister...)
Even made it to "Second Class" which was actually fairly high up the Totem Pole...
Seriously, Boy Scouting on an Air Force Base had a higher turnover than the Housekeeping Staff at a Ciudad' Juarez Motel 6.
But one of the benefits to being stationed a short drive from Mount Rushmore was getting to go camping almost every weekend.
And our Scoutmaster left us to our own devices, supervised by the Wiser, more Experienced Scouts, you know, the 15 year olds...
It was like something out of Mark Twain.
OK, it was more like "Lord of the Flies" but hey, someone had to give the fat kid a red belly...
and burn down 400 acres of "Old Growth" forest...
Frank "Fire!!!!!!!!!!!!" Drackman, Second Class, BSA
Moe Blotz| 2.6.13 @ 9:15AM
Didjiz ever eat a brownie?
Frank Drackman| 2.6.13 @ 9:32AM
wasn't that a merit badge...
spike59| 2.7.13 @ 5:43AM
it was in OUR troop
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 12:49PM
I don't think my generation of Boy Scouts would agree that a Second Class Scout is all that high up on the totem pole. Sorry, but come on...
Frank Drackman| 2.6.13 @ 1:50PM
You're right, Today with 12 year olds making Eagle Scout for singing "Kum Bah Yah" at the Free Needle X-change Clinic in the S-spanol..
ZING!!!!!!!!!! I returned your insult back at you, faster in fact, in Boxing it's called a "Counterpunch" in everything else it's called a "Kick in the Balls"
Well it was 1973 for one thang, that Post Vietnam Boy Scouts, No Draft..
And my Troop was like the Marine Corps, 90% Lance Corporals, in Scouts they were called "Tender Foots" and was it a little creepy that our Scout Master insisted on checking our feet every day???
For Blister!!!!!!
Frank
Bob Grant| 2.6.13 @ 4:15PM
Fond scout memories eh, Frank?
The pedophilia, the pyromania...
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 4:23PM
You got me, all right. I'm wounded to the quick.
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 4:28PM
Well, there ARE those folks who reach their peak during the high school years, with everything coming afterward a kind of anticlimax...
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:15PM
That must be one Ugly sister.
Poor thing.
Quartermaster| 2.6.13 @ 9:34AM
The next General Council of the UMC promises to be a real battle. The libtards lost every bettle in the last one, and there is great promise the next one will result in some heads being taken. Perhaps the UMC will return to its Wesleyan roots. I hope so.
Pecos Pete| 2.6.13 @ 10:27AM
The UMC needs to remove the administrative hierarchy of bishops, district superintendents, etc. that are soaking up tithe money.
Citizen Jerry| 2.6.13 @ 10:26AM
This is all about the money, so I expect the Joy Scouts to cave and allow every manner of perversion into their ranks. Then the group will begin to die.
Maybe what's needed is a group for boys modeled after American Heritage Girls, who walked away from the Girl Scouts for the same reasons.
Peppermint Tea | 2.6.13 @ 10:34AM
As a member of the BSA number 1 sponsor, I will be disappointed if they do not quit BSA after a ruling to accept gays. They can and should start their own scouting program.
cicero| 2.6.13 @ 11:36AM
When asked by a radio interviewer what was the common thread that ran through all civilations that collapse and die, Will Durant quickle replied that it was when homosexuallity was accepted as just another normal lifestyle. The interviewer went silent for several seconds, and moved quickle on to another topic.
What makes us think that we are different than every one else in history? The fact that everyone has equal political rights does not mean that everyones' proclivities are equally good.
MacWell™| 2.7.13 @ 5:10AM
cicero?
Well said.
Petronius| 2.6.13 @ 12:04PM
When Baden Powell formed the Scouting movement his goal was to prepare undisciplined male youth to serve in Her Majesty's Forces. Now that the armed services of the United States have been forced to bend over and enjoy the cultural rape due to the political power of the perverts in this country, what's the point of going on? Face it. The trash elements of society now control all institutional authority. The normal, productive, competent, moral, NORMAL citizen is treated worse than an Untouchable in India. And this will not change until these people are Gone!
JP Jones| 2.6.13 @ 12:26PM
The answer is so simple a caveman could figure it out..
But as all simple answers it will never see the light of day.
Establish Homosexuality as a Disability covered by the United States ADA.
Then the matter is closed.
We don't discriminate against Disabled folks
in the USA.
However, good luck getting the Gay Lobby to admit that they suffer from a disability.
Kingofthenet| 2.6.13 @ 12:36PM
“Every Scout takes an oath to keep himself ‘morally straight.’ The Boy Scouts have every right to include sexual conduct in how they define that term.
They do, and if they allow Boy Scouts to be gay(as in what they are going to do when fully grown), it won't change a thing, the Boy Scouts don't want Heterosexual Boys having sex either, that also would be a violation of the 'Morally Straight' principal.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:16PM
King of the Nuts.
Drunken Sailor| 2.6.13 @ 3:42PM
More like Dreaming of Nuts.
markenoff| 2.6.13 @ 3:57PM
And so you are a king?
spike59| 2.7.13 @ 5:45AM
that would be 'queenofthenuts'
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 12:43PM
If the Boy Scouts are weak enough to change their policy about gays because of their concern about funding, well they're within their rights to waive their First Amendment right to freedom of association.
On the other hand, for a so-called "Constitutional scholar" like Barack Obama to say that the Boy Scouts provide a pathway to good character and manhood for untold numbers of boys, and that therefore they should be required to admit gays, is a claim that defies Constitutional understanding.
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 12:45PM
Once they change their policy on admitting gays into their ranks, I wonder how many straight boys will refuse to join the Scouts.
I wonder if it will match the number of gay boys and their fellow-travelers who currently won't join the Scouts because they forbid gays.
delahaya| 2.22.13 @ 9:59AM
Well, Canada lost half its membership in just five years, so would expect at least that much or more here in the States.
Kingofthenet| 2.6.13 @ 12:53PM
Bill, they ALREADY have had tons of gay boys in their midst for the last 100 years, the gay boys didn't feel a need to leave, why should straight boys? Besides they say they want to do this by Troop, so if it's sponsored by a Religious Institution, they wouldn't be forced to do anything.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:18PM
I'm guessing that you're speaking from experience on the whole Gays have been there for 100 Years.
Wanna talk about it?
Get it off your chest?
Bill8472| 2.6.13 @ 4:26PM
So everything is just fine, then. Okay, I withdraw my posts. Never mind.
JP Jones| 2.6.13 @ 1:06PM
The US Supreme Court should rule 5-4 that
homosexuality is a Disability covered by the ADA
which affords all disabled folks equal rights on everything.
Case Closed.
And after all, even most Gay Activists in their Heart of Hearts know they suffer from a disability.
Just admit it and lets move on from this issue.
TLP| 2.6.13 @ 2:24PM
They suffer from an In or Out Comprehension Disability.
They can't Comprehend the fact that the opening between their Butt Cheecks is for Pushing Things Out, and not for Pushing Things In.
Calling Dr. Frued.
Bandido| 2.6.13 @ 2:40PM
Calling Dr. Fruit.
Li'l Jen| 2.6.13 @ 1:59PM
I reject the notion that boys between the ages of 11 and 18 are prepared to declare their sexual orientation. The proposed changes to the BSU reflect the left's efforts to encourage boys to "come out" before they have reached maturity.
Boy Scouts is meant to teach leadership, responsibility, honor--to help boys become men, and adults have the responsibility to protect our youth, not to exploit them.
Li'l Jen| 2.6.13 @ 2:00PM
BSA, not BSU!
Where's the edit button?
Bandido| 2.6.13 @ 2:08PM
We are governed by covens of maricones.
JP Jones| 2.6.13 @ 2:34PM
Great Point Bandido.
All I am saying is that there is no shame in calling a spade a spade.
A person who is bound to a wheel chair has equal rights to everything in the USA.
I wonder if there would be less gays in ruling bodies across the globe if they were declared Disabled?
I don't think so. I really don't.
I think this idea that admitting that Gays suffer from a disability harms them is totally ridiculous.
Rather, I think people would be more understanding and accepting of Gays if they just would come out of the closet and admit they suffer from an affliction from birth and they can't help who they are and what they are attracted to.
What is sad is that we cannot have an honest debate about this because if an elected person dared state this he would be out of office in months A news person would be fired by their News Organization if they even dreamed of saying this.
The truth is Bandido is right.
But I say again I have no problem with a person is disabled leads us regardless of his or her disability.
As long as they are qualified to do the task at hand whatever that may be.
Bandido| 2.6.13 @ 2:54PM
Homosexuality qualifies as a psychological disability. Freud, whom they hate hysterically, described the normal male sexual maturation process as moving from the oral to the anal to the phallic to the genital. Queer nation has a developmental disability. It is stuck perpetually in phases 2 and 3, no pun intended. So the ADA should naturally apply to it.
delahaya| 2.22.13 @ 10:03AM
Isn't it interesting? In just a couple of decades homosexuality has gone from a mental disorder to being applauded to the point that if you DON'T like it you are "homophobic" and...wait for it...suffer from a mental disorder. The old Soviet Communist couldn't have done it better.
Marc Jeric| 2.6.13 @ 4:07PM
It's a field day for LAMBDA - imagine pedophiles in charge of boy scouts.
Moe Blotz| 2.6.13 @ 4:57PM
Is that anything like NMBLA?
Bob Grant| 2.6.13 @ 6:11PM
I once dated a LAMBDA sorority girl. And come to think of it, she did like young boys...
MacWell™| 2.7.13 @ 5:15AM
Now that's funny!
Stephie| 2.6.13 @ 4:33PM
Moochelle obama told a group of adoring fans in the once great state of California, after his first "win", "we must change our history, we must change our traditions".
That's what's being done as we speak.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 2.7.13 @ 11:38AM
I'm really tired of the fruitcakes and the fruitcake agenda. How can a people be so obsessed over getting stuck and/or sticking in the behind? Equal rights? I don't care what you do in your free time between consenting adults, but I sure as hell don't have to treat homosexuality as anything more than the degenerate behavior that it is.
Not_Surfing_Today| 2.9.13 @ 1:06AM
The comments and epithets I read here about homosexuals are probably the same we would have read here in 1964 when the CIVIL RIGHTS ACT was enacted, the primary hoopla of which centered around ending racial discrimination. The online archives of notable newspapers back then would today never appear in print castigating "Negros" and "Colored People".
Ah, but back then the Bible was always a reliable source to back them up, cuz God himself wrote that slavery was part of "His" plan.
Am I racist? Absolutely. I can't stand niggers - be they white, black, yellow red or conservative!
Nor do I like the idea of gay boys tip-toeing around my sons. It might rub off, huh?!
And I sure don't want some Bible beater putting idiotic Jewish fairy tales in my sons' minds either! Watch out for them folk- "Methinks they protesteth just a bit too much!" We always find them tapping their foot in the next stall or hanging out with cute boys after every Thursday night's Bible class!
But I don't give a hoot that my neighbors - two men - got married last year. My roof did not fall in and neither did theirs.
My point here is that as human beings, whether I am gay, black, male, female, Christian, Druid or whatever, I have the right to access public or quasi public institutions. I promise I'll keep my damn religious beliefs out of your throat if you don't put your foot up my ...ear.
Unless you're Moslem!
Then I'll grab my gay neighbors' assault rifles!
delahaya| 2.22.13 @ 10:04AM
That was pretty epic trolling there, surfing. Let us know when you grow up.
Not_Surfing_Today| 2.23.13 @ 4:37PM
Actually, the style was intended to allow those more epic-minded individuals to enjoy the puerile arguments pushed here. Obviously I failed.
delahaya| 2.22.13 @ 9:57AM
These liberal groups are not trying to "reform" Scouting, they are trying to destroy it. It is much like our current president, Obama. It would be tempting to think he's just incompetent, that no one could have such a bad four year record on purpose. But that misses the point. He truly wants to fundamentally transform American, and much like a house, that sometimes means mostly demolishing it before renovating.
Not_Surfing_Today| 2.24.13 @ 2:00PM
Russia’s PRESIDENT’S PUTIN’S solution:
RUSSIA TO OUTLAW 'HOMOSEXUAL PROPAGANDA' AND BAN PUBLIC EVENTS THAT PROMOTE GAY RIGHTS
- New legislation is part of an effort to promote Russian traditional values
- Other laws include blocking web content deemed 'unfit for young audiences'
- Almost a third of Russians think homosexuality is result of 'a sickness'
A public kiss between two men could be defined as illegal 'homosexual propaganda' and bring a fine of up to £10,000 if a bill that comes up for a first vote this month becomes law in Russia.
The legislation being pushed by the Kremlin and the Russian Orthodox Church would make it illegal to tell minors information that is defined as ‘propaganda of sodomy, lesbianism, bisexuality and transgenderism.’
It includes a ban on holding public events that promote gay rights.
The bill is part of an effort to promote traditional Russian values as opposed to Western liberalism, which the Kremlin and church see as corrupting Russian youth and contributing to a wave of protest against President Vladimir Putin's rule.
Other laws that the Kremlin says are intended to protect young Russians have been adopted in recent months, including some that allow banning and blocking web content and print publications that are deemed ‘extremist’ or unfit for young audiences.
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