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drudge ette obama| 11.20.09 @ 6:26AM

If the abortion funding issue is the only thing keeping the Ben Nelsons of the Senate from voting for this socialist health industry takeover, then there has been a complete abandonment of the defense of the Constitution.

I pledge my money to fight Ben Nelson and any other Senator who votes to even debate this god-awful bill.

Will you join me?

ktran| 11.20.09 @ 6:47AM

NO!

Husker Brad| 11.20.09 @ 10:10AM

YES!!!! You damn right I will!

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stephanie| 11.20.09 @ 1:12PM

Indeed I will!

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Beth Thornton| 11.21.09 @ 2:57PM

YES, Also now includes Mary Landrieu, LA, and Blanche Lincoln, AR. Even Lieberman? They Gotta Go! Chuck Schumer may be our new, only hope at 2 pm Saturday. Pray!

jack| 11.22.09 @ 9:41PM

While I agree with the ProLife stance, if this bill passes it is a death sentence for many of America's most needy, the poor.

Their options for quality heath care will be greatly diminished. The wealthy and powerful will always have the option of going where the best and most up to date procedures are being performed.

It just isn't fair!

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Matthew Quigley| 11.20.09 @ 6:51AM

Nelson will do what he always does: Vote with his party.

Why Nebraskans sent that twerp back to the Senate is a mystery to me, since he's the ultimate back-bencher and moves like a rotten cottonwood tree in the shifting political winds...in other words, he has no principles except for getting re-elected. Nelson is a waste of time and needs to be un-elected.

AMarsrow| 11.20.09 @ 10:49AM

As a Nebraskan, I can address the mystery of how Nelson wound up representing us. There are two reasons, the first being that he two largest electoral districts in the state (containing the only two cities in the state that could be construed as large) are home to the universities, the highest concentration of young "urban" professionals, and the state's highest concentration of minority voters. These groups aren't typically Republican.

The other reason is that Tom Osborne was not on the ticket.

Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 7:23AM

When all the smoke and bluster clears, a Democrat is a Democrat and will vote with the Party each and ever time.
Like I have always posted, are we ready to take it to the next level? There is only one way to stop this louts and we know what that is don't we?
How many of you will have the guts, to stop this rogue government?

Louis Jenkins| 11.20.09 @ 9:23AM

Guts to stop this rogue government? Don't entirely blame the Democrats as this time has been facilitated by Republicans in previous administrations and congresses too. Melvin, your insinuation is dire. I hope you're aware that the next level is a consequential notion, and the powers that be will have no qualms at sending you to prison, taking your life, confiscating your belongings, and stripping the clothing off of the backs of your wife and children. Census takers have the GPS reading of your front door. There is literally no safe haven for your father, mother, siblings, or your wife and children. Every purchase with plastic, your income, even the websites you visit, are known. Learn the old ways of self reliance, and hold back your anger. I congradulate you on your spunk and spirit, but no one should go off half cocked. That would be a convenient excuse for the other shoe to drop. Personally there is no greater exhilarating experience than being shot at and being missed. It's the other part I fear. Having seen death there is no right or wrong, liberal or conservative, only death. Discretion can be the better part of valor. I will say no more on this.

Melvin| 11.20.09 @ 2:20PM

Louis my post was meant to be thought provoking more than a declaration of war.
I to have been involved in a conflict of arms, and when that first tracer shot by, I immediately received Jesus into my heart, as well as Buddha, Hari Krishna, and every other religious deity that I deemed that could make me invisible from our aggressors .

Ken (old Texican)| 11.20.09 @ 2:31PM

Louis
Timing is indeed everything. Walk softly and carry the biggest stick!
Death will come to us all. The vastards cannot imprison me. They will have to kill me if it comes to that. I have millions of friends to make it right.
www.myteamusa.org
The Lord and I will be watching with interest.

School boy| 11.20.09 @ 2:45PM

I'll have to agree. what we see here is the reaction to fear which is known to incite people to do one of two things fight or flight.

What is the "fight or flight response?"

This fundamental physiologic response forms the foundation of modern day stress medicine. The "fight or flight response" is our body's primitive, automatic, inborn response that prepares the body to "fight" or "flee" from perceived attack, harm or threat to our survival.
http://www.thebodysoulconnecti.....fight.html

It is natural for you to feel like fighting because their is no where to run. The most basic reaction is to fight. but the question is how. Who would we fight ? The person down the street?

The battle field is in our minds and the minds of our fellow Americans. The weapons are education and media.

Fight we must, by taking walks up the street and talking to people. working every day to get the word out. We must rise and activate ourselves
if we are right we will win. For far to long the right wingers have done to little at the comunity level.

martin j smith| 11.20.09 @ 7:40AM

My point of view is not so much the abortion spect but the entire government helth care package. I am against government controlled health care. So--we will learn if there are Blue Dogs or lap dogs. But honestly work to vote out all Democrats anyway--

JP| 11.20.09 @ 8:35AM

I think it is high time to get a movement going to repeal the 17th Amdendment. The Senate is virtually a government unto itself. Most Senators get over 90% of thier campaign money from lobbyists, and not from state constituients.

The old method of having state legislators select the senators wasn't perfect; but, it is superior to what we have now. Yes, some states like Mass. will still nominate Far Left lawmakers for life; however, overall Senators would have to keep a weather eye back home before they affix thier name to a bill. Even in places like California and New York there is still a chance that occaisonally the GOP might take things overs for a few years, and with them comes new blood.

The Senate is nothing more than a House of Lords. It needs to change.

ds80| 11.20.09 @ 11:29AM

JP you have it spot-on: "The Senate is nothing more than a House of Lords".

Or, as I have put it: The US Senate is the New Aristocracy.

November 2010: time to refresh the tree of liberty.

Big J| 11.20.09 @ 2:41PM

JP, I have a simple, two word solution:

TERM LIMITS

My representative is Ted Poe. An absolutely phenomenal man, very interested in honorably serving his constituents. Check out his web site. I charge you to find another House member that lists the name and birthplace of all the fallen soldiers in his / her district. He carries a 90%+ conservative rating, but if we could limit the infestation of lifetime crooks like Chris Dodd, Bwaney Fwank, Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid, Charlie Rangel, and the rest of 'em, I'd be happy to bid him farewell.

"Joe"| 11.22.09 @ 11:20PM

It has been said by the former Senator of Massachussetts that "the governor should not appoint a senator for the people , but it should be the right of the people to choose for themselves"....

Of course that was when Sen. Kerry was running on the Democratic ticket and a Republican was governor...so the state of Massachusestts stripped the governor of his authority to appoint a successor, and the law was changed so that the people can vote in a runoff election if the need occurred.

Fast forward, Kennedy dies, and guess what his dying wish is? Change the law back so that the Democratic governor can appoint a successor...

Whatever happened to the old "power of the people" movement of the DNC?

One answer maybe: I hear you, but f**k you anyway. We're in control now.

Old Joe| 11.20.09 @ 8:54AM

Always remember that a Democrat puts his party loyalty ahead of his country, his family, and his faith.

Yosemeti Sam| 11.20.09 @ 9:49AM

" ... A key procedural vote is coming -- as early as Saturday -- that will nevertheless be a moment of truth for pro-life Democrats like Ben Nelson. Do they stand with Harry Reid or Bart Stupak? "

Rich defining metaphor - of mice OR men!

rt| 11.20.09 @ 10:36AM

TERM LIMITS !TERM LIMITS! TERM LIMITS!
No lobbying after taking office. All politicians need to go home after their terms.

bill carson| 11.20.09 @ 12:43PM

I would suspect that slightly less than half of self-declared pro-life Democrats are truly pro-life, meaning they will vote the way they speak. Nelson is not in that crowd. Unfortunately, this mean that all the abortion talk is "sound and fury, signifying nothing." If a health bill is to be stopped, it has be stopped for reasons other than pro-life concerns.

somnolence| 11.20.09 @ 1:24PM

To Louis Jenkins: Coercion is a form of death. Passivity is a form of death. If this is passed I know that I am only going to work part-time because the more INCOME you have the more you pay for this "insurance." If your only income is in savings accounts, well then, we'll see if the death panel administrators come through on your behalf. I've never been covered by health insurance at my work place, I've always been covered under my wife's group policy at her workplace. In a few years she will retire, and I plan on early retirement. I'll raid my savings for up to $700.00 per year for health insurance (that's what the yearly car insurance premium is). I'll be damned if I'm going to shell out $4,000 per year. So yes, I'll be glad to stand with potential millions of determined souls if there is a day of reckoning. Life is not worth living under the jackboot of tyranny, or a falsified America.

jeff| 11.20.09 @ 2:44PM

It's been said many times before but if congress members always vote with the party line then why do we need them at all. Just make Harry and Nancy rulers for life and be done with it.

Everly Waverly| 11.20.09 @ 2:49PM

This health legislation shouldn't hinge on abortion, the determination should be, do we want Marxism? Isn't there so much more bad with this bill, unrelated to the abortion issue???

MarkJ| 11.20.09 @ 3:46PM

The quickest way to flip a pro-death Democrat to the life position is merely tell them, "You do realize that aborted babies don't grow up to become taxpayers or vote Democrat?"

To paraphrase that line from "Casino": "For Donks, it's the dollars. It's always the f***ing dollars."

don rhudy| 11.20.09 @ 6:02PM

I just heard that Ben Nelson the (@%#&*$) will vote to put the bill on the floor.

John II| 11.20.09 @ 8:57PM

Cf. Matthew Quigley posting above. Give credit where it's due, I always say. In fact, Confucius says something like that too, but I can't remember how he worded it.

jkstewart2| 11.20.09 @ 8:41PM

The Dems are doing a Jim Jones. The reaction of the country will be disbelief and anger. It will take some time for a full boil, much as the understanding of the country has become about the Porkulus bill. The next election cycle will be the end of the democrat party.

martin j smith| 11.21.09 @ 8:15AM

Now that we know where Ben Nelson is & I strongly suspect the 2 other you know who I mean--will probably be bought off--it is time to be in the 2010 election mode NOW. Over load phones of Senators work against ALL Blue Dogs but --given the economy and the pocket book issues that motivate voters--Most Democrats are vulnerable as long as we are in double digit unemployment etc. Use your energy wisely.

Gene| 11.21.09 @ 8:26AM

Old Ben is just another so called independent. he always seems to ponder a bill but in the end he always votes the full party line. He only goes against the party when there are enough Democrat votes without him.
We call him "JAKE THE FAKE".

Big Jim| 11.21.09 @ 5:08PM

PA vo ters where is supposed pro-life Sen. Bob Casey on this one? He's a sack of BS.

Steve| 11.22.09 @ 11:33PM

"PA vo ters where is supposed pro-life Sen. Bob Casey on this one? He's a sack of BS. "

Really Big Jim, Do you have to insult bull manure with your comment? tee hee hee

Truthfully, I don't have respect for him. I wouldn't sell out my father so I could get the party endorsement. If my father's wisdom wasn't good enough for the first party convention, I'd be hell bent on having him pimped for a certain president's reelection. I didn't vote for him.

On the other hand, He might be a great guy. I for one don't care for double speak, from R's or Dems.

ATLmedia| 11.21.09 @ 11:49PM

Don't worry.
The lobbyists (lobbist?) who've paid millions each week since the '08 election for the
'right' to deny working people health insurance are not done yet.There will always be a conservativc plan to keep the people from . affordable health care. Status quo rules!

revtom58| 11.22.09 @ 8:13AM

I sent e-mails to Landrieu, Lincoln and Ben Nelson this AM and I will plan to send money to anyone who runs against them when they come up for re-election. I also sent a note to my own Senator Bill Nelson. It will be interesting to see how he fares in FL.

Richard Baker| 11.22.09 @ 10:37AM

rt:
As an example, Bob Dole, the professional Kansan, lives in the Watergate in DC. He wouldn't go back to Kansas to live even if you put a gun to his head. Folks like him live and lust for being close to the ACTION. Kansas, don't know you.

John II| 11.22.09 @ 9:25PM

Richard is right, I think. In fact, I can't think of a better example that's public (although I can think of many, many examples that no one else knows squat about). I would like to recommend to whoever is listening this late in the thread (it's WHOEVER, not "whomever": the precedence goes to the fact that the indefinite pronoun is the subject of its own clause, not the friggin' object of the preposition: the whole clause is the object: is anybody listening???) ... er, where was I?

Oh yeah, I wanted to point out that Bob Dole is a man of the generation in which the culture itself was still more or less healthy. He doesn't and maybe can't know that the culture has gone down the tubes. The half-a-generation younger McCain probably should know better, but he's still leaning on daddy's generation, so he too is mostly oblivious to the collapse of the culture.

All this talk about true-blue conservatives and RINOs is crap. Well--not entirely, but I think it misses the point. The point is, the RINOs believe in an era that's past. I am VERY conservative even by today's standards, but I remember Ike fondly (and Ike was treated with contempt by National Review in it founding years--understandably, since Taft probably WAS the better candidate in 1952). And I also remember that Reagan himself finally turned conservative when he realized that something screwy was horning in on his evolved faith in the fundamentally conservative spirit of Eisenhower (and most Americans) after several years of dealing up close with the treacherous Left.

Richard is probably right--oh hell, he's almost certainly right--about Bob Dole. But his point is lost on the internet if we don't all acknowledge that, contrary to the Lefty presumption, the personal is NOT the political. In fact, the opposite is the truth: the political is the personal. If conservatives can't keep that fundamental point in mind, they may as well surrender to the nihilism which is at the heart of the Obamanation.

Tex Expatriate| 11.24.09 @ 7:00PM

Ben Nelson is not a pro-life Democrat. He is a liar. Wise up.

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Jon B| 3.13.10 @ 6:03AM

Obama's restoring of funds for pregnancy prevention measures in the world's poorest countries reduced abortions by 10's of millions in the next 8 years. Republicans lie about the Mexico City Policy by falsely claiming it funds abortions, etc. It's been illegal for US $'s to fund abortions overseas since 1973, but we DO fund pregnancy prevention measures, emergency field birth kits, etc.

http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_wrld.htm

1993: Repeal of the funding ban: President Clinton felt that private, foreign organizations should be able to receive USAID funding for that part of their programs that involved pregnancy prevention, even though they used their funds raised elsewhere to finance abortions or to appeal for abortion reform. On 1993-JAN-22, his second day in office, he rescinded the executive order.

2001: Reinstatement of the funding ban: On 2001-JAN-22, during his first day in office, President George W. Bush reinstated the funding ban for family planning programs run by agencies that also provide abortion services out of their own funds. His rationale was somewhat confusing. He wrote to the U.S. Agency for International Development: "It is my conviction that taxpayer funds should not be used to pay for abortions or advocate or actively promote abortion, either here or abroad." But no such funds have ever been granted. Existing legislation prevents foreign grants from being used to fund abortions or provide abortion counseling.

http://www.commondreams.org/views01/0126-05.htm

January 26, 2001: Family planning research groups, such as the Alan Guttmacher Institute, last year said that if US funding levels were restored to the $540 million (from $425 million), the following would happen: Nearly 12 million more couples in developing countries would gain access to modern methods of contraception.

There would be 4.3 million fewer unintended pregnancies, 1.5 million fewer unintended births, 500,000 fewer miscarriages; 2.2 million fewer abortions each year; 8,000 fewer deaths from unsafe abortions, 7,000 fewer deaths from other causes related to pregnancy and 92,000 fewer deaths of infants.

Bush cut funding on 1-22-2001, then cut it some more in 2002, so it was roughly 1/2 or just over $200 million. However, some of it was restored because of his 2003 Africa/Aids program, which he didn't fully fund either. Bush cut aids funding completely in early 2001, and dropped another program in Congress (around $800K more) too. then restarted the program 2 years later promising roughly the same $ amount he prevented in the first place.

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