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Osama bin Elvis
All the evidence suggests Elvis Presley is more alive today than Osama bin Laden. But tell that to the CIA and all the other misconceptualizers of the War on Terror.
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In short, insisting on Osama's supposed mastery of al Qaeda, and on equating terrorism with al Qaeda, is official U.S. policy because it forecloses questions about the role of states, and makes it possible to indict as warmongers whoever raises such questions. Osama's de facto irrelevance for seven years, however, has undermined that policy's intellectual legitimacy. How much longer can presidents or directors of the CIA wave the spectra of Osama and al Qaeda before people laugh at them?
An Intellectual House of Cards
Questioning osama's relevance to today's terrorism leads naturally to asking how relevant he ever was, and who might be more relevant. That in turn quickly shows how flimsy are the factual foundations on which rest the U.S. government's axioms about the "war on terror." Consider: We know that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) planned and carried out 9/11. But there is no independent support for KSM's claim that he acted at Osama's direction and under his supervision. On the contrary, we know for sure that the expertise and the financing for 9/11 came from KSM's own group (the U.S. government has accepted but to my knowledge not verified that the group's core is a biological family of Baluchs). This group carried out the 1998 bombings of U.S. embassies in Africa and every other act for which al Qaeda became known. The KSM group included the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade Center bombings Abdul Rahman Yasin, who came from, returned to, and vanished in Iraq, as well as Ramzi Yousef, the mastermind of that bombing, who came to the U.S. from Iraq on an Iraqi passport and was known to his New York collaborators as "Rashid the Iraqi." This group had planned the bombing of U.S. airliners over the Pacific in 1995. The core members are non-Arabs. They had no history of religiosity (and the religiosity they now display is unconvincing). They were not creatures of Osama. Only in 1996 did the group come to Osama's no-account band, and make it count.
In life, as in math, you must judge the function |of a factor in any equation by factoring it out and seeing if the equation still works. Factor out Osama. Chances are, 9/11 still happens. Factor out al Qaeda too. Maybe 9/11 still happens. The other bombing plots sure happened without it. But if you factor out the KSM group, surely there is no 9/11, and without the KSM group, there is no way al Qaeda would have become a household word.
Who, precisely, are KSM and his reputed nephews? That is an interesting question to which we do not know the answer, and are not about to find out. Ramzi Yousef was sentenced to life imprisonment for the 1993 World Trade Center bombing after a trial that focused on his guilt and that abstracted from his associations. Were our military tribunal to accede to KSM's plea of guilty, he would avoid any trial at all. Moreover, the sort of trial that would take place before the tribunal would focus on proving guilt rather than on getting at the whole truth. It would not feature the cross-examination of witnesses, the substantive proving and impeachment of evidence, and the exploration of alternative explanations of events. But real trials try all sides. Do we need such things given that KSM confessed? Yes. There is no excuse for confusing confessions with truth, especially confessions in which the prisoners confirm our agencies' prejudices.
The excuse for limiting the public scrutiny of evidence is the alleged need to protect intelligence sources. But my experience, as well as that of others who have been in a position to probe such claims, is that almost invariably they protect our intelligence agencies' incompetence and bureaucratic interests. Anyhow, the public's interest in understanding what it's up against should override all others.
Understanding the Past, Dealing With the Future
Focusing on Osama bin Elvis is dangerous to America's security precisely because it continues to substitute in our collective mind the soft myth that terrorism is the work of romantic rogues for the hard reality that it can happen only because certain states want it to happen or let it happen. KSM and company may not have started their careers as agents of Iraqi intelligence, or they may have quit the Iraqis and worked for others, or maybe they just worked for themselves. But surely they were a body unto themselves. As such they fit Osama's description of those responsible for 9/11 as "individuals with their own motivation" far better than they fit the CIA's description of them as Osama's tools.
More important, focusing on Osama and al Qaeda distorts our understanding of what is happening in Afghanistan. The latter-day Taliban are fielding forces better paid and armed than any in the region except America's. Does anyone suggest seriously that Osama or al-Zawahiri are providing the equipment, the money, or the moral incentives? Such amounts of money can come only from the super wealthy of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf. The equipment can come only through dealers who work at the sufferance of states, and can reach the front only through Pakistan by leave of Pakistani authorities. Moreover, the moral incentives for large-scale fighting in Pushtunistan can come only as part of the politics of Pushtun identity. Hence sending troops to Afghanistan to fight Pushtuns financed by Saudis, supported by Pakistanis, and disposing of equipment purchased throughout the world, with the objective of "building an Afghan nation" capable of preventing Osama and al Qaeda from messing up the world from their mountain caves, is an errand built on intellectual self-indulgence.
Intellectual Authority
The CIA had as much basis for deeming Osama the world's terror master "game, set, and match" in 2001 as it had in 2003 for verifying as a "slam dunk" the presence of weapons of mass destruction in Iraq, and as it had in 2007 for determining that Iran had stopped its nuclear weapons program. Mutatis mutandis, it was on such bases that the CIA determined in 1962 that the Soviets would not put missiles in Cuba; that the CIA was certain from 1963 to 1978 that the USSR would not build the first strike missile force that it was building before its very eyes; that the CIA convinced Bush 41 that the Soviet Union was not falling apart and that he should help hold it together; that the CIA assured the U.S. government in 1990 that Iraq would not invade Kuwait, and in 1996 that neither India nor Pakistan would test nuclear weapons. In these and countless other instances, the CIA has provided the US government and the media with authoritative bases for denying realities over which America was tripping.
The force of the CIA's judgments, its authority, has always come from the congruence between its prejudices and those of America's ruling class. When you tell people what they want to hear, you don't have to be too careful about premises, facts, and conclusions. Our problem, in short, is not the CIA's mentality so much as the unwillingness of persons in government and the "attentive public" to exercise intellectual due diligence about international affairs. Osama bin Laden's role may be as good a place as any to start.
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Pingback| 3.13.09 @ 9:27AM
Osama bin Elvis « Therearenosunglasses’s Weblog links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
ncatty| 3.13.09 @ 11:50AM
9/11 was a failure of intelligence, and no one was fired. Like the author suggests, we the public must pay attention and apply common sense.
Kokteyl Tarifleri| 5.4.10 @ 8:26AM
Thank you very much. | Kokteyl İçki İçecek Bilgileri
S.L. Toddard| 3.13.09 @ 11:54AM
JEREMIAH AND BOB: FYI - I haven't been posting here in over a month, since maybe Feb 2nd. There is a troll here who adopts other people's names and posts as them. I never called Bob "blow-bob" or whatever. I saw you also got into some scraps with him, Jeremiah. None of it was me. I don't use terms like "lib" or whatever else this clown said.
Imagine doing that - being that pathetic? Logging on and pretending to be someone else you only know through the internet? It's sad and the sort of thing one would expect of a stalker.
Anyway, none of the posts under my name - S.L. Toddard - have actually been me since the first couple days of February. It's been that same, sad, lonely troll.
S.L. Toddard| 3.13.09 @ 12:04PM
Besides, as I have difficulties adjusting to the real world, I don't think "lib" has any meaning. We are all brothers anyway, except the dumb idiots who voted for The One. Only a sad, lonely troll could vote for America's suicide.
Jeremiah| 3.13.09 @ 12:08PM
No problem, Toddard. The guy was so smart, there was no way we could get fooled. Don't go cold turkey on Lexomil.
Bob| 3.13.09 @ 12:12PM
Actually, the guy sounded funny and a terrific sense of humor. Toddard, cut him some slack because I think his posts were far superior to yours. Just my modest opinion based on a successful career in a Fortune 500 corporation.
S.L. Toddard| 3.13.09 @ 12:25PM
^^ that's what I'm talking about. All three of us, this time. It's almost disturbing to think about how lonely and envious someone has to be to sit holed-up in their public housing, scarfing down hot-pockets and whatnot while envying *people you only know from posts*. Seriously how pathetic do you think someone has to be - how miserable - to do something like that? It's moving, in a sad way.
Jim Burrows| 3.13.09 @ 2:56PM
The drawing on the cover is no just extremely unrealistic, but impossible to visualize, for anyone in the political spectrum, as well. I/m talking about the well informed in the lives of both Presley and bin Laden.
Most notably, it lack imagination, a sine qua non for avant garde journalism. First, of all, and while the presumably 52 year old Obama is perfectly dressed to spend a day at the beach, in hiding, may I remind you all, his turban alone would have given him away. As the most wanted man in recent memory, he of all people would have thought it essential not to wear it. (LOL)
The Rock King, on the other hand (presumably at age 42,), is not just wearing a jumpsuit, in the sun, of all places, but is actually seen as truly enjoying bin Laden's company.
The latter would have been unthinkable, as Colin Powell, who met Presley while they both served in the US Army in Germany, could certainly attest.
Finally, the only thing that ties Presley to bin Laden is his ability not to "pass away" in the eyes of his followers. That 95 % of them know Presley is dead, and the remaining 5% hope he isn't, is neither here nor there.
The unvarnished truth is that the iconic image they keep, in their heads, of the Rock King is certainly not reminiscent of that which is despicted on the drawing.
So, again, the artist failes to deliver on that account, also. To draw an older, yet fitter Presley, at 70, lying on the beach, even if only a few feet away from a turban-less bin Laden, would have been much more challenging....
Cali Girl| 3.13.09 @ 3:54PM
That troll was brilliant, hilarious, too. I miss him, and I want to apologize to him. Hope I get the chance someday.
Alan Brooks| 3.13.09 @ 9:46PM
the troll knew his business, which is why NR has no public blog.
he had me saying in reference to Jews something about shellfish, for a second almost thought it was me who wrote it, but you'd have to drink alot of budweiser to write a comment like that.
Elvis? hard to respect someone who dated his wife Priscilla when she was 14. this isn't NAMBLA site, or NANGLA
America is not Waco, Salt Lake City, or Afghanistan.
yes, i know Elvis was in Germany at the time-- but still.
cute lil' troll| 3.13.09 @ 10:10PM
Alan, you did write it. Sorry.
Alan Brooks| 3.13.09 @ 11:43PM
nope, cutie,
we here at AS don't sniff glue like you do.
French Cutie| 3.13.09 @ 11:49PM
Never touched the stuff, babe. It's pink champagne for me! Bubbly, bubbly, bubbly.
Alan Brooks| 3.14.09 @ 12:15AM
you're crazier than Daphne and me put together.
Dixie Pixie| 5.2.11 @ 3:50PM
Whatever happened to dear Daphne?
Cutie Pie| 3.14.09 @ 12:46AM
Crazy like a fox. Foxy Lady.
geenee| 3.14.09 @ 1:09AM
The drawing of Elvis Presley on the cover is truly a lack of respect toward his memory.
Dolly| 3.14.09 @ 1:15AM
But I remember Elvis looked just like that--and real sweaty, too! Still could sing, though.
geenee| 3.14.09 @ 10:36AM
But your do not you know the inhuman conditions in which lived. How he was beaten until in front of fans that did not do anything by helping him. First you should ascertain and later writes what do you want. . With regard to Elvis Presley all are God for to judge without know what about him if they hit him? , If he was fed with rotten food and they remained with exquisite meat? ... The drawing of Elvis Presley on the cover is truly a lack of respect toward his memory. In which level of life he was submitted to live for to be so ill as so that nobody gave him the importance more than the apparent physical aspect and then compare. Alone schizophrenic can do these drawings or to say to see "these ghosts of a never existing reality but dreamed" Alone schizophrenic they can do these drawings or to say to see ghosts of a never existing reality but dreamed, that pursues that obsesses.
Someone quoted William Shakespeare :
"...But man proud man
dressed in a little brief autorithy
most ignorant of what he´s most assured
(his glassy essence) like an angy ape
plays such phantastic tricks before high heaven as makes the angels weep who,
with our spleens, would all themselves laugh mortal..."
Why not draw about osama bin michael jackson or osama bin beatles or osama bin tom jones or osama bin britney spears?
geegee| 3.14.09 @ 10:45AM
"The only good use for that magazine is to start a fire in your fireplace." Marty Lacker member of memphis mafia for elvisinfonet.
I agree with the comments of Marty Lacker on the above news article: "The American Spectator is a staunch rightwing magazine in the US and I think it's disgusting that they use Elvis, an American Icon, in this manner on the cover of their rag publication. The only good use for that magazine is to start a fire in your fireplace."
trurl| 3.14.09 @ 11:18AM
Sounds like someone needs to settle back with a hot, relaxing cup of Get Over It.
CH| 3.14.09 @ 11:45AM
Elvisophile. He's at rest, geenee; God bless him. Elvis had a great sense of humor, too bad you don't. Bug off liberal whiner.
truly| 3.14.09 @ 11:57AM
Angelo M. Codevilla, trul, ch, and others are uneducated moron and the biggest loser ever to waist your time to find a way to have a fun over dead man. Why no obama bin TRUL cover or obama bin CH cover?
Get a FREAKING LIFE YOU PIECE OF WAISTED SPERM.
ch2| 3.14.09 @ 12:17PM
Is true: Marty Lacker comments on the above news article: "The American Spectator is a staunch rightwing magazine in the US and I think it's disgusting that they use Elvis, an American Icon, in this manner on the cover of their rag publication. The only good use for that magazine is to start a fire in your fireplace." elvisinfonet
Angelo M. Codevilla, trul, ch, and others are uneducated moron and the biggest losers ever to waist your time to find a way to made mockery over a dead man. Why no obama bin TRUL cover or obama bin CH cover?
Elvis had a great sense of humor but never for made stupids mockery over others.
someone needs to settle back with a hot, relaxing cup of Get behind the jail for For slander, exploitation and cruelty toward the memory of Elvis Presley and that is the author of the drawing and of the article, but ask him to spectator and to the author of the monstrous drawing to if they dare to carry out a cover sheet where they apply that same sense of humor with lisa marie loockwood well fat and we are going to see The Daily Mail effect. If they do grossnesses to Elvis Presley are geniuses but care and they apply itself to you ch and trurl or to lisa marie
For ch and trurl: While the dogs bark is sign that we go for good road".
Get a FREAKING LIFE YOU PIECE OF WAISTED SPERM.
CH| 3.14.09 @ 12:28PM
Nice spelling, libturd truly. You're just another disaster puked out by our Publik Skool Systim. No wonder Obummer got elected. Moron.
ch2| 3.14.09 @ 12:34PM
That the sketcher and Angelo M. Codevilla do a cover version and article with osama bin ch I want to see your happy sense of humor. Your coward you can defend you, Elvis Presley does not be able.
ch2| 3.14.09 @ 12:44PM
I would love to see you ch as a littly porky pig cartoon in two legs and is not bad idea. And after reading the previous post you are not so amused that they do to you that infamy as they did it to the marvelous one Elvis Presley who cannot be defended. At least you have snout that is a null help for you
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Osama bin Elvis « Depravity links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
ch2/Crazy Daphne| 3.14.09 @ 4:49PM
I am the hateful socialist witch who is now strapping on a bomb-vest. Pray that it works this time. I am incompetent.
trurl| 3.14.09 @ 5:32PM
Well, you sure told me. I think. It's hard to tell.
CH| 3.14.09 @ 10:20PM
No one is crazier than the crazy witch, Daphne.
Thomas| 3.15.09 @ 12:39PM
Well, this thread has drifted out into the twilight zone.
gene| 3.15.09 @ 4:50PM
Yes thomas, trul and ch you are in the twilight zone and Elvis Presley is with GOD and will always be sent as an example and stone in which many will trip of the envy. :P
Pingback| 3.15.09 @ 9:13PM
Instapundit » Blog Archive » OSAMA BIN ELVIS? links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
S.L. Toddard| 3.15.09 @ 9:38PM
Gene, somebody should slap you. Moron.
George| 3.15.09 @ 9:59PM
Osama bin Laden is a splat on a cave wall.
Pingback| 3.16.09 @ 5:04AM
Search for bin Laden Narrows Down to Chitral, Pakistan links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
LTC John| 3.16.09 @ 8:02AM
The Afghans I worked with in 2004-2005 were rather startled when I asked them about OBL - they all told me "he's been dead for a long time now..."
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Genrewonk » Weekend at Osama’s links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Ed | 3.16.09 @ 9:19AM
Osama been billionaire, ego maniac, can't seem to scrape together a few shekels to buy a Handycam? He must be taking a dirt nap.
Michael Murphy| 3.16.09 @ 10:24AM
Name one television personality or video hog like OBL who chose to move to radio. He is long, long, gone. I expect the cia et al keep him "alive" to have the balance of OBL's "organization" consider them hapless.
frommartinlacker| 3.16.09 @ 12:25PM
Marty Lacker's strong feedback to The American Spectator:
Further to our news item on Sat 14 March, Marty Lacker has provided EIN with his letter to The American Spectator about its cover article, Osama bin Elvis:
I have just seen the cover of your latest issue where you compare Osama Bin Laden with Elvis and your drawing of Elvis looking like a clown.
You have a self proclaimed reputation of being a Patriotic American publication primarily because you mainly represent the narrow minded rightwing and this is the way you treat an Amarican Icon like Elvis?
I'm not some Elvis fanatic, I am someone who was with and close to him for twenty years and I and others take your the cover on your rightwing rag as an insult to Elvis' memory and legacy.
I would not be surprised by learning your illustrator and editors had a good laugh when doing that cover, thinking how amusing and clever you are. I hate to break it to you but you all are the clowns and you should all be ashamed of yourself as well as apologize in your next issue to Elvis, his family, friends and fans.
Thank you,
Marty Lacker
Memphis,Tn.
gene| 3.16.09 @ 12:40PM
moron S.L. Toddard moron I will break your nose. But what nose? you are a vomit that is eaten by the dog like american spectator :P I hope that you coward and moron S.L. Toddard you could try to give a slap in the face of Martin Lacker of Memphis Maphia try to do it, S. L. "vomit" Toddard try to give a slap in the face of Martin Lacker.
L. "vomit" Toddard I challenge to you to try to give a slap in the face to Martin Lacker.
gene| 3.16.09 @ 12:40PM
L. "vomit" Toddard I challenge to you to try to give a slap in the face to Martin Lacker.
frommartinlackermemphismaphia| 3.16.09 @ 12:41PM
Marty Lacker's strong feedback to The American Spectator:
Further to our news item on Sat 14 March, Marty Lacker has provided EIN with his letter to The American Spectator about its cover article, Osama bin Elvis:
I have just seen the cover of your latest issue where you compare Osama Bin Laden with Elvis and your drawing of Elvis looking like a clown.
You have a self proclaimed reputation of being a Patriotic American publication primarily because you mainly represent the narrow minded rightwing and this is the way you treat an Amarican Icon like Elvis?
I'm not some Elvis fanatic, I am someone who was with and close to him for twenty years and I and others take your the cover on your rightwing rag as an insult to Elvis' memory and legacy.
I would not be surprised by learning your illustrator and editors had a good laugh when doing that cover, thinking how amusing and clever you are. I hate to break it to you but you all are the clowns and you should all be ashamed of yourself as well as apologize in your next issue to Elvis, his family, friends and fans.
Thank you,
Marty Lacker
Memphis,Tn.
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gene| 3.16.09 @ 4:02PM
Nutcases alert!!!!!! I have to put my bomb vest on and go to my rubber room. I am nuts!
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Osama bin Elvis - Pakistan Defence Forum links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Roy| 3.16.09 @ 10:53PM
These comments must set some kind of record for trolling irrelevance.
As far as the actual thesis, it's interesting because it argues that KSM did plan 9/11, but not under direction from Bin Laden. While it's possible that this is true and the CIA doesn't know it, after having waterboarded KSM for a while like we know they did you would imagine they know everything he knows..
Jeremiah| 3.17.09 @ 12:43AM
He sure looked like crap after the CIA got done with him. Poor fat, hairy bastard. LOL
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Osama bin Elvis | Tea Break links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
phylis| 3.17.09 @ 12:42PM
The news rag needs t burn to the ground. Maybe those stupid editors needs to have the tables turned on them
gine| 3.17.09 @ 12:43PM
Oh dam you are so right Phylis and I could kill them, what an awful thing to do and say, Marty Lacker is not and I repeat NOT my favorite at all but have to give him my thumbs up for this one... I hope they burn in hell
regyna| 3.17.09 @ 12:45PM
AMEN to that Gine
phylis/gine/regyna| 3.17.09 @ 1:55PM
We are fine examples of the moronic left. Not working, and living on welfare give us plenty to spew our stupid lies.
phylis/gine/regyna2| 3.17.09 @ 8:04PM
Elvis Presley always will be the king the others are losers and ... I hope they burn in hell
phylis/gine/regyna2| 3.17.09 @ 8:09PM
WANKERS :) ELVIS ALWAYS THE KING
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mrthebrber | 3.17.09 @ 8:10PM
I agree
WANKERS :) ELVIS ALWAYS THE KING
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STD/gine/regyna| 3.17.09 @ 10:27PM
Being stupid is lethal.
dArKsiDe| 3.19.09 @ 4:37PM
come on CH, dont hate on the prez, like it or not hes in charge for the next 4 years.
yes the person was a f*cktard, but bash the right people here.
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Osama bin Elvis « Les dessous de l’information mondiale-Downside World News links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
EffTerrorism| 3.26.09 @ 2:22AM
There is a well written article that brings up a lot of interesting points about the security of our country. Yet, all people can talk about is the Elvis cartoon .... Ladies and gents, I give you the definition of douchebags.
km21| 3.26.09 @ 3:14AM
-In a 2002 interview with Al Jazeera journalist Yosri Fouda, Mohammed admitted his involvement, along with Ramzi Binalshibh, in the "Holy Tuesday operation".[30] Mohammed was arrested on March 1, 2003 in Rawalpindi, Pakistan.[31] Mohammed ultimately ended up at Guantanamo Bay. - (www.wiki.org)
Yet, they are still unable to find the tall guy on dialysis
Nordic| 3.29.09 @ 5:16PM
"We know that Khalid Sheikh Mohammed (KSM) planned and carried out 9/11." The article was highly perspicuous until that sentence; then, suddenly, the rest is pure naivety. Strange - and sad.
anon| 3.30.09 @ 10:47AM
Shut up DARKSIDE you piece of Itchy hyena of the envy. While you speak of Elvis presley means that is more important than you piece of drugged hendrix
AKP| 4.23.09 @ 11:00AM
Quite Interesting, sounds like an orwellian perpetual war is at hand?
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Schnarr| 8.1.09 @ 4:54AM
I found a few of weak conclusions. Simply because the video tapes were faked doesn't mean he's dead. If I was the #1 wanted terrorist on the planet, I don't think I'd risk that kind of exposure either. Having the videos to convince people he is alive while not actually appearing in them may seem cowardly, but he's a terrorist... What else would you expect? And on the planning side, I would count him out, didn't he put a lot of the financing behind the attacks? I guess any conclusion on Osama's current status is based on inadequate evidence and hearsay.
Adam| 8.2.09 @ 12:06PM
With all due respect to the author, his knowledge on Bin Laden and Islam, despite his credentials, is limited. An example is the "wearing a gold ring" statement, saying it goes against his Wahabbi beliefs. While it IS wrong for Muslim men to wear gold (and silk), Bin Laden has a long history of wearing the supposed "gold" ring. These pictures are all from before 9/11: http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/3742/411271fh7.jpg , http://yfrog.com/77bin20ladenj, & http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6458/image71d29ded334347c48ac88433d033c9a9xc8.jpg. Simple research of this fact, from looking at authentic photographs and old video tapes would have prevented this long standing misconception. I'd go on, but in all honestly, if you let this kind of stuff through in your "Osama is Dead" thesis, how can I take the rest of it seriously?
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