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My Disastrous Meeting With the Soviets
Yevgeny Primakov (Dima276/Creative Commons)

Introduction: With the Cold War still raging, I joined a group of 10 American specialists on the Middle East and related topics who traveled to Moscow in November and December 1983. We met intensively over four days with Soviet counterparts on a strictly confidential basis. It was the most useless academic exercise I’ve ever taken part in.

The teams were headed by Dankwart Rustow of CUNY and Yevgeny Maksimovich Primakov of the Institute of World Economy and International Relations (and in 1998–99 the prime minister of Russia). Distinguished American participants included Bernard Lewis, J. C. Hurwitz, and Gregory Massell; Soviets included Genrich Aleksandrovich Trofimenko, Vitaliy Vyacheslavovich Naumkin, and Oleg Vitalevich Kovtunovich. An instructor at Harvard at the time, I was both by far the youngest member of the delegation and the most outspokenly conservative, that is, anti-Soviet.

Rustow has explained the rationale for the meetings: while Washington and Moscow “had genuine differences, even sharp differences, in the Middle East.… there seemed to be at least one common interest: not to let a regional conflict in the Middle East escalate into a full nuclear confrontation between the superpowers.” Makes sense; too bad the event did nothing to advance this goal.

I went with eyes open. My father, Richard Pipes, being a professor of Russian history, communism had been familiar to me since childhood. Further, in 1976, I had previously visited the USSR. But joining representatives of the Soviet state on their home territory gave me fresh, firsthand experience.

I wrote a contemporaneous account that I dared not publish because of the emphatic confidentiality of the meetings. With the collapse of the Soviet Union, however, the passage of 36 years, and the demise of nearly all the participants, now seems like a reasonable time to go public.

Account: All went pleasantly enough on arrival in Moscow. Our hosts toasted the meetings to come with the vodka flowing and spoke cheerfully of our getting to know each other, leading to an improved understanding.

The U.S. delegation, funded by the International Research & Exchanges Board, known as IREX, had twice gathered in advance in New York City to work out its position on procedure and agenda. We expected, as is the rule at such meetings, to start the conference by discussing these matters. The Soviet delegation, however, had a different idea. Having unilaterally printed up a schedule detailing the conference program, it intended to preempt this discussion — even as it surreptitiously included more Soviet presentations than American ones.

Primakov mumbled at the start of the first session that unless objections were raised, the program would be accepted as printed. We Americans were still fumbling with the headsets for simultaneous translation and missed the only opportunity to influence the program. Our hours of prior consultation were preempted by one rapid and clever Soviet move. It was a sign of things to come.

As Americans, we saw the occasion as an opportunity to offer a range of U.S. viewpoints and explore Soviet opinions. Reflecting this outlook, our papers and presentations were individualistic, analytical, self-critical, and low-key. The Reagan administration, as can be imagined, came in for much criticism and even disparagement. My paper, blandly titled “U.S. and Soviet Roles in the Middle East,” alone defended Washington and criticized Moscow.

In contrast, the Soviet delegation spoke with one voice and harangued us with assertive and strident pro-regime polemics. Our counterparts consistently echoed each other on every topic — though, admittedly, they tripped over specifics on minor issues (Hmm, what’s the current party line on the Egyptian Communist party?). Their speakers looked as diverse as ours in age, gender, and specialization, but they all repeated the same words, ceaselessly and shamelessly propagating the official position.

The Soviets showed themselves to be practiced and effortless liars. Take two examples concerning Afghanistan. First, their expert effusively praised the economic progress there since the communists took over in 1978. He ignored the country’s two million refugees and the powerful mujahideen rebellion against the government. When I raised these topics, he replied that vast amounts of aid drew the refugees to Pakistan; he simply ignored the mujahideen topic.

Second, the same expert dramatically interrupted his own presentation to announce, “As I am confident that none of what I say will leave this room, I can tell you the following fact: Soviet soldiers are not now and never have in the past fought in Afghanistan. They function only as advisers and trainers for the Afghan army.” I am sorry to report that we Americans, being polite and non-confrontational, neither hooted nor laughed, but sat there as though learning something newsworthy and true.

That much was fairly predictable; less so what the Soviets wanted to talk about. Moscow’s activities were simply out of bounds. When I had the audacity to ask Primakov about Soviet intentions in Syria, he exploded, deeming the question out of order, an insult, and an irrelevancy. His anger appeared not spontaneous but a calculated tactic to emphasize that Soviet policy is not suitable for discussion. Indeed, as he wished, Soviet intentions did not once again come up, and I felt too isolated by my teammates to try a second time. Indeed, Primakov’s outburst left me feeling unpleasantly vulnerable through the rest of the trip, causing me to keep quieter than usual.

Surprisingly, the Soviets in turn had the good grace not to attack U.S. policies. It sufficed for them repeatedly to quote President Reagan’s March speech about the “evil empire” and to prompt repeated embarrassed American responses.

Rather, Israel was the focus of Soviet abuse. Its policies were termed expansionist, “illegal,” “aggressive,” even “genocidal.” Of all the Russian papers, by far the most virulent was one on the Israeli military. I understood this gambit to explore the possibility of our joining the Soviet anti-Zionist campaign. But if that was the intent, it went precisely nowhere.

Instead, there was much high-flying and vague talk about finding ways for Washington and Moscow to cooperate in the Middle East. Expressions such as “the friend of my enemy is not necessarily my friend” and “the Middle East is not a zero-sum game” were bandied about. With neither side offering specific proposals, I made a rare intervention, mildly suggesting a U.S.–Soviet ban on exporting weapons to both sides of the Iraq–Iran war and a joint effort to encourage others to follow suit. The Soviet delegation did not deign to address this practical idea.

If we traveled 5,000 miles to be subjected to canned harangues, our consolation was direct exposure to the ruling class of the Soviet Union, to those few who benefit from a failed system. Primakov is an academician (akademik), a member of the nomenklatura, that charmed circle of high salaries, favored apartments, dachas, access to special stores, and foreign travel. The other Soviet participants in the seminar, although also successful and privileged, had a much lower status. This distinction came out daily at lunch, when the group divided into three. Other than Primakov, the Soviets ate in the dingy basement of the conference venue; Americans were taxied to a pleasant-enough if dull hotel buffet; and the akademik sped off in his chauffeur-driven limousine to a presumed feast at the academy.

The dreariness of life in Moscow, especially in the approach to the winter solstice, added to the depressing quality of the conference. Every day was cold and grey, with the sun coming up at about 9 a.m. and going down about 3:30 p.m. The cars we traveled in were dirty. The stores were dreary, with shelves often empty. The food was heavy and monotonous.

We were placed in one of the city’s best hotels, the Rossiya, but it was massive, drab, and shoddy. Each floor had its dezhurnaya, the battle-axe who sat by the elevator door and suspiciously watched your comings and goings. Inside the room, the hand shower should fit onto a rod to stay up, but the rod was round and the shower head square. Flushing required learning how to push and pull the knob repeatedly and just right. The toilet paper resembled newspaper, the soap was laundry-detergent quality, and the towels were slightly enlarged dishrags.

I left the seminar deeply displeased by my colleagues. We meekly submitted to the other side setting the terms of the conference, did not ask tough questions, did not pursue follow-up questions, and accepted claptrap as truth. Primakov is an archetypical Soviet bully who tried, with some success, to intimidate me.

What was the point of the exercise? The Americans naïvely hoped to learn; the Soviets stupidly hoped to convince. In short, the whole undertaking completely failed both sides.

Postscript: This was the first of four meetings led by Rustow and Primakov (later ones took place in 1986, 1988, and 1990). Unsurprisingly, I was not invited back.

Despite the failure to achieve any of its stated goals, I console myself with the thought that this meeting added one tiny brick to the edifice of Western contact that opened Soviet eyes and that helped bring about the collapse of the Soviet Union just seven years later.

Daniel Pipes (, @DanielPipes) is president of the Middle East Forum. © 2019 by Daniel Pipes. All rights reserved.

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