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AARP Received $18 Million In Stimulus Money (UPDATED with AARP response)

AARP, which has given its full-throated support to Democratic health care legislation even though seniors remain largely opposed, received an $18 million grant in the economic stimulus package for a job training program that has not created any jobs, according to the Obama administration's Recovery.gov website.

The Senior Community Service Employment Program (SCSEP), according to the website, is "a work training program for unemployed mature workers who are 55+ and are at or below 125% of the poverty guidelines." So far, $6.5 million has been spent on the program, and it has not reported creating any jobs.

In February, the Politico reported that AARP was putting pressure on Republican members of Congress to support the stimulus package.

Since then, AARP has moved on to lobbying for passage of health care legislation, even though Democratic proposals have called for several hundred billion dollars in cuts to Medicare, a program that the group typically defends tooth and nail when Republicans propose cutting it. A recent Pew survey found that just 31 percent of those over 65 supported health care legislation being touted by AARP.

As it turns out, AARP is also in a position to benefit financially if the health care legislation passes, because seniors losing benefits as a result of cuts to Medicare Advantage will be forced to buy Medigap policies, which is the main source of AARP revenue.

Barry Rand, the chief executive of AARP, was a big donor to the Obama campaign and has retained a cozy relationship with the administration.

The stimulus grant to AARP was reported by WatchDog.org, a site run by the Franklin Center for Government and Public Integrity, which also found that stimulus funds were funneled into another liberal interest group, the National Council of La Raza. 

UPDATE: AARP has not yet returned a call seeking comment.

UPDATE 2: AARP responds that the purpose of the program is not to create jobs, but to offer job training and find work for participants, an effort the group claims has been successful. Here's the full response, from Drew Nannis, AARP's senior vice president:

“The Senior Community Service Employment Program (SCSEP) is a job training program that places older workers living at or below the poverty line at community non-profit organizations. The AARP Foundation is one of 18 national organizations that administer SCSEP for the US Department of Labor.

“In 2009, the US Department of Labor allotted all 18 national sponsors of the SCSEP program, as well as the state-level SCSEP programs, additional funds under the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act to help older Americans reenter the workforce. These funds were allotted in direct proportion to the amount each organization receives annually for the program. AARP Foundation received $18 million.

“We understand there is some confusion stemming from the reporting outputs listed on Recovery.gov. Simply put, the federal stimulus program reporting documents ask organizations to report the number of jobs created at the organization receiving the funds. AARP’s role in administering the SCSEP program is not to create jobs at AARP. Instead, we stipend SCSEP participants who train at and provide additional services at no cost to community non-profit organizations. Participants receive on-the-job training and local non-profits increase their capacity to help the communities they serve.

“In just the first four months of additional funding, 2,601 people are being trained while working at local non-profit organizations. This translates into:

         -- $315,000 in weekly training stipends for SCSEP participants

         -- 46,000 hours of no-cost service provided to our host agencies each week (valued at about   $980,000)

 “Additionally, to date we have placed 500 retrained older workers into permanent jobs in 75 communities across the nation.

“The AARP Foundation is incredibly proud of SCSEP. Over a 40 year history, SCSEP has helped more than 500,000 lower-income older Americans find jobs and provided more than $190 million a year in no-cost services to 5,000 non-profit organizations across the country.”

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Pete| 11.18.09 @ 11:52AM

Stimulus = payoff money. See how efficient the distribution of the money is when it goes straight to those for whom it was intended?

Eric Dauster| 11.18.09 @ 12:31PM

Check out the link. And send me a check for doing your research. Your reporting is atrocious.

Harold| 11.18.09 @ 1:32PM

AARP long ago lost my membership and that is because it is just a political arm of the liberal democrat party. To be specific, when they bailed on supporting President Bush's efforts to amend Social Security with private accounts, I cut up my card!!!!

omacloos| 11.19.09 @ 1:48AM

We just cancled our supscription.no more AARP for us we don't have their insurance and we get our hotel discounts from our military ID card.

Paul| 11.18.09 @ 1:37PM

I just sent in my letter of cancellation to AARP.
I hope others will also, and be sure to mention that you oppose their endorsement of the Democrats health care proposals. They aren't good for the country, let alone being good for seniors.

Keith| 11.18.09 @ 1:58PM

I cancelled my membership when AARP started being a proponent for this administration and not for Retired Persons. Considering that AARP's membership efforts start with 50+ folks, it means that a substantial part of its membership is still employed in the workforce and see the pinprick of light as not being the end of the tunnel but the headlight of an oncoming diesel of the train of disaster that's going to run us all over.

If AARP takes benefits from the Govt (TARP) and its leadership are donating to a particular party then AARP is no longer working for its membership, is it?

tim johnston| 11.18.09 @ 10:15PM

It ain't a diesel, it is a pair of UP Challengers at full throttle with the Johnson bar all the way forward with a mile plus long train of laden cars fixin to smash our country to pieces. The engineer has tied down the saftey valve and the fireman is hell bent on blowing the coal load straight out the stack. This won't be at all nice.

Not a Redneck| 11.19.09 @ 12:48PM

Is it wrong to think of you chewing tobacco & sipping your whiskey or moonshine as you write a comment of this nature? That was the most though out well generated backwoods comment I ever read. I thank you for a morning laugh.

Mike | 11.19.09 @ 2:06PM

I thought the comment was very descriptive, a great analogy and brought back memories of my model railroading days.

evan jungbluth| 11.22.09 @ 5:29PM

What do you find so amusing in the train analogy, and how is it a " backwoods" comment? And even if it were, is it in your mind that backwoods people are not to be allowed to express an opinion? I would not have chosen to comment here if it didn't appear that you believe only the erudite people should be allowed to contribute to the discussion.

C| 12.3.09 @ 6:31PM

You take "backwoods" to be derogatory and not just descriptive... *shrug* ...there was obviously a compliment made to begin with, so while snarky it was respectful.

Jim Riesgraf| 11.18.09 @ 2:11PM

AARP Leadership is Black, Liberal and Elitest
Does that sound a little bit like the Obama Administration. They could care less about what
is good for their membership - just getting in line
for the $$ Handouts. I quit AARP a year ago.
I urge every Senior to do the same.

Rob| 11.18.09 @ 2:24PM

Boy, you've got that right.

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dean| 11.18.09 @ 2:17PM

I also cancelled my wifes and my membership to AARP when they endorsed the democratic passed health plan. I hope that most of the AARP membership will see the light and cancel their membership. Also, remember on election day in Nov. of 2010 as to who voted for this disastrous health care bill and vote the turkeys out.

Rob| 11.18.09 @ 2:17PM

When I turned 50 and started getting AARP's forms in the mail I shredded them. Corrupt as ACORN and SEIU. Get rid of all of this slime and the American people will be better off.

jim| 11.19.09 @ 12:06PM

Likewise, except I fill the provided postage paid envelope with metal scraps and send it back to jack up their mailing costs.

C| 12.3.09 @ 6:34PM

...great use of the postal service there. Hope that's just you being funny. peace.

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JN| 11.18.09 @ 2:19PM

I quit AARP several months ago but just re-signed with them because I'm going on Medicare. They have the best insurance rates around, so it's a financial decision for me. I don;t agree with them on anything.

Rob| 11.18.09 @ 2:28PM

JN, don't do it. There is another medical institution for seniors I believe it's called "Senior Medical Care" I just heard about it myself and know there is a choice outside of AARP. Please cancel. It's only fueling their corrupt agenda.

don danielson| 11.18.09 @ 3:24PM

Cancel your AARP membership. Don't do what you know isn't right.

Adam Smith| 11.18.09 @ 9:12PM

JN,

Why not try Humana who is lobbying AGAINST the PelosiCare bill?

For a couple bucks a month you would support this group and add your voice to thier ranks?

Henry| 11.19.09 @ 7:00PM

The notion that AARP has the best rates for suppliment policies is wrong. In fact they have some of the highest - they count on name recognition for business. I just enrolled in a plan G and a drug plan both cheaper than what was offered by AARP through their insurance provider for the identical coverage.

Bob Rea| 11.21.09 @ 4:57PM

You can buy the same insurance directly from the insurance companies...you don't need AARP..they just get % of the policy.

Blair| 11.22.09 @ 12:05PM

I had AARP Medigap and AARP MedicareRX coverage until this month when I cancelled BOTH. I switched to USAA for BOTH, saving $25/month & $10/month for identical coverage. Now I sleep well, 'cause I'm FREE of those AARP slime!!

evan| 11.22.09 @ 5:33PM

There is a name for that...Let's see?? Oh yeah, that's right, it's called selling one's soul..

Lynn | 11.18.09 @ 2:55PM

ASA is an alternative to AARP...
American Seniors Association
AmericanSeniors.org
check it out, then tear up your aarp card....

ww4cash| 11.18.09 @ 3:09PM

That is called Pay for Play

Curt| 11.18.09 @ 3:33PM

Now we know what AARP got for there support of health care bill.

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kwills| 11.19.09 @ 7:18AM

A jobs program that hasn't created any jobs? How are the executives at AARP compensated. Do they suddenly have large 'bonuses'? Or other perks? Smells like a bribe to me, especially since it deprives their memberships of benefits that then have to be paid for. It has the appearance of impropriety and is unethical to lobby for the removal of advantage in order to sell an AARP product.

C| 12.3.09 @ 6:38PM

jobs-training program...

...the idea is to help train and place seniors in jobs around the community. The jobs created are private sector jobs not associated with AARP.

Money spent helping people find jobs, might not payout to individuals but might assist in finding those individuals work.

...doesn't seem that dastardly to me.

Mark | 11.19.09 @ 9:50AM

I've always used AARP mailings to start the wood stove in the winter and landfill in the summer.
Just me!

BobNatlanta| 11.19.09 @ 11:31AM

Don't discard those AARP mailings ! Use those post paid envelopes to send them valuable coupons for suppositories and condoms or perhaps interesting news articles. Jot down your favorite quote and share it with them. Why waste a good opportunity to help them serve us better.

jlrlee| 11.22.09 @ 10:22AM

Also, call them at 1-888-687-2277. Everytime you call, it costs them money. Call them once and then push the redial button 9 times. If 100,000 people will call them 10 times a day, it will cost AARP a million dollars a day. And tie up their phones, too.

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mike| 11.19.09 @ 12:14PM

I dropped my AARP membership - still get their mailings - I return the postage paid envelope with one word NOBAMA!

Luke| 11.19.09 @ 12:22PM

While I disagree with using tax-payer money for the Recovery Act and I disagree with AARP's endorsement of the healthcare bill, I can say that SCSEP is one of the few areas in which the Recovery Act money was well spent and was actually job-related, rather than spending the money on something like building a dog park.

Dan| 11.21.09 @ 7:26AM

Luke so let me get this right (and correct me if I am wrong) You think that it is a good idea to spend taxpayer money to train community organizers ?
Beyond that I could say a lot more but then I would sound like a lib winding up on the subject of Sarah Palin.

Frank| 11.19.09 @ 5:24PM

Don't just tear up your membership card, ask for your dues to be refunded, they refunded mine.
I know that their Car Insurance is not the cheapest, haven't compared their medical policies.
Democrats keep telling us how great Medicare is, but if you still have to buy Medicare supplemental Insurance, it can't be all that good, anyway I'll find out in a year and a half. If the Government would give me back my Medicare Taxes I've been paying since 1966 plus 4% interest I'd buy my own insurance.

Jeff| 11.21.09 @ 1:11PM

I just got my $13.20 refund check from them.

Virginia| 11.19.09 @ 8:36PM

I have always been a proud NON- member of AARP. As my friends- fell for the phoney give-aways, 10% off breakfast at WhereEver truck stop, and/or the lie of "we're working for you" mantra...I have taken personal responsiblity for my insurance, my spending, and my thoughts!!!
AARP has been bought by the Obama administration with your money and your stupidity,

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katia swartz| 11.20.09 @ 12:18AM

GREAT idea Bob Natlanta !!! I recently did that with liberal Newsweek solicitations - now I will do that for the losers at aarp. Yes - we canceled our aarp membership and supp. medigap. Everyone needs to do that.

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Lockand load| 11.20.09 @ 11:19AM

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youpplrnutz| 11.20.09 @ 12:12PM

I just have to know:
What is it with this intolerance to providing health care to your citizens? After all the US is more than willing to spend trillion on, let's face it, at pretty stupid war. Why not spend that money to help your own citizens?

Don't you think it'll cost less if you maintain respectable level of yearly exams rather than to go in only when you have a problem that could have been prevented? That's not rocket science people.

Having universal healthcare does not make you socialist or communist or fascist or some pseudo-non-american country. It improves the general well fair and happiness of american citizens. What's wrong with that?

Jar Head| 11.20.09 @ 3:09PM

youpplrnutz...your comments about the current U.S. Healthcare system are so far off-base. We citizens of the good old, war mongering (save the assess of most of the planet) USA have the absolute best health care on the planet...we don't need need a new system, especially anything like the socialist (yes, whether you can see it or not, all others are a form of socialism) cabals you so like.

What you fail to realize is that the "healthcare" debate in the U.S. is not about healthcare...it's about POWER! Power of the socialists (yes, that again...Pelosi, Reid, Obama...actually Marxists) to take over the US economy...control the economy/money and you control the country. So no lectures from afar on U.S. Healthcare, because you simply don't get it....I remind you, it's all about socialist/Marxist political power...they can't get it any other way...never through the ballot box.

God bless Texas...hope to make it across that border before the secession is underway.

Dan (another jarhead)| 11.21.09 @ 7:34AM

You saved me a lot of typing.

Jar Head| 11.20.09 @ 3:12PM

And, since you saw fit to chastise Jess with your not elitist comments about his spelling/vocabulary...let this not be elitist either....but you need to educate yourself on the term "well fair"....the correct context would have been "welfare"

Jeff| 11.21.09 @ 1:16PM

One good reason is that when the national debt is $12.5 trillion and rising we cannot afford to add $1-2 trillion/year to it when it does nothing to reduce or control the cost of health care.

GEDoug| 11.22.09 @ 9:57AM

Check your premise. I think you miss the point. The legislation currently being proposed is not about providing health to all; it's about changing the relationship between government and it's citizens. The progressive agenda is to grow government, nationalization, and control. Which is what these bills, if passed, will do. There are many obvious ways to address the issues of controlling health care cost and providing insurance to all that does not include the complete over haul and government control of our health care system.

happyexcdn| 11.23.09 @ 12:10AM

Dear youpplrnutz
As a VERY HAPPY CANADIAN EXPAT living in the greatest country on earth (USA) let me remind you of a couple of Canadian realities:
1. Canada enjoys an opportunity to forgo a real defense commitment both in substance and cost because the US, naturally, protects its northern border and polar access. The Canada that fought so bravely in WWI and II was destroyed by that nightmare known as Pierre Elliot Trudeau. The Canadian troops fighting so bravely in Afghanistan deserve not only support but a country worthy of their sacrifice.
2. There are MANY Canadians, including politicians like Belinda Stronach, who are both smart enough to know and, in some cases, wealthy enough to get to the US for the type of healthcare Canada only dreams of. Tommy Douglas had a big heart but never understood that the social network of small town Saskatchewan that inspired his vision would never and could never translate into nationalized/socialized medicine. Liberals seem to forget that theory and reality are not synonymous. SOCIALIZED MEDICINE IS A FAILURE.
3. The U.S. actually spends more per capita on healthcare than Canada. The fact that the spending is privately funded rather than publicly stolen through over taxation and dysfunctional bureaucracy does not belie the reality that healthcare you buy through a company, even where abuse exists, is never as far off the mark as the waste and dysfunction of a bureaucrat.
4. Canada was a wonderful nation prior to the nightmare of 1968. The Canadian people then, like Americans now, allowed themselves to be seduced by that socialist, narcissistic, francophile Pierre Elliot Trudeau. He sold the great country of Canada for a mess of political pottage. The Canadian people have spent the decades since trying to escape the liberal/socialist/ franco centric nightmare and restore the traditional conservative values that are still bedrock in places like Alberta - the promised land of Canada.
5. Lay off the American stereotypes, especially as you preach against their application to you. These are God fearing, country loving, charity paying champions who have always paid for the world's sins and the world's arrogance with their blood and treasure and the lives of their children. They are the final bastion of decency in a world gone wrong. God Bless the United States of America.

jess| 11.20.09 @ 12:16PM

do you really think this bill is gonna be past?!?!?!?!?!?!?! its a joke!!!

jess| 11.20.09 @ 12:18PM

The democrats cant even get their heads out of eachothers ass**.... once the republicans get this it will be squash!!

youpplrnutz| 11.20.09 @ 1:41PM

I'm not trying to be elitist but it's "PASSED" not "PAST."

You've provided nothing but rhetoric. If I wanted that I'd watch Limbaugh, Hannity or Coulter.

You haven't answered my question. What's wrong with every american citizen having health care? I'm not talking about illegals or tourists. I'm talking about hardworking americans that have paid into the system. Why can't they get the health care they need without going bankrupt?

It's an honest question devoid of partisan bullshit. I just don't understand why there is a portion of the US population that's so vehemently against providing it's own citizens with proper medical care.

Jar Head| 11.20.09 @ 3:18PM

If you really knew your stuff, you'd realize...no one goes without health care in the USA....just ask any emergency room director...we take all comers...including illegals!!

Most often, users of the emergency room method don't have the insurance they could for any number of reasons, often simply because they DON'T want the insurance and are not willing to pay premiums. That they make that choice freely and now your ilk feels that I should pay their premiums, by definition, is Socialism. I for one refuse to live under such a putrid political structure without a fight!

youpplrnutz| 11.20.09 @ 4:20PM

Thank you for your answer Jar Head.

You're right I don't know much about american style health care other than don't get sick in your country or risk losing everything. That's why I'm asking. From my perspective, health care is a privilege of being a citizen of my country and one that I'm more than willing to pay for. $100 a month is paltry when compared to my health and that of my family.

I'm from Canada and despite what your news tells you, most of the people I know are happy with health care here. Coming from me that means a lot as many members of my family are extremely reliant on our health care for a number of reasons (I won't bore you with details). We pay into the system and are provided with everything we need. We still pay for medication but from what I've seen it's much cheaper than in the US.

So what you're upset about is the "choice" to have or not to have. I'm assuming as a Marine you have some form of medical insurance. Do you pay for it out of your salary? What would you do without it?

And FYI when you say things like "... my ilk ... " you position yourself as "the crazy guy not worth listening to." This is why conservatism is failing, the automatic segregation of "you" vs everyone else who don't share your opinion. I'm not trying to fight with you. I'm trying to have an open, adult conversation. Let's leave the insults to the elementary kids.

texas transplant| 11.20.09 @ 5:11PM

I think what 'jar head' is trying to express is the sentiment that most people of the United States have grown up in an era of limited government interference. We have worked hard to provide things like health insurance for our families. When the government interferred and began regulating the insurance industry years ago, prices skyrocked not only for health care, but also insurance. No one should go without health care - hence public hospitals and clinics, medicare and medicaid.
A true independent study needs to be done on the reason for the increase in the actual costs of health care. Why does a doctor charge a person with no insurance $85 a visit, but with insurance $45 a visit? Our recent government has a history of doing what's best for the interests of a few and not for the masses (ie - unions, lobbyists).

oldpap| 11.21.09 @ 8:56PM

To mention an earlier reply , the reform being sought now is a power grab , not really healthcare reform for the good of the people. Also , we are not against the hard working , paying into the system people having insurance but, our Constitution says when it is presented in this context it must be available to all , including illegals in this country. Our government , the Democrats , wants to GIVE FREE HEALTHCARE TO THE ILLEGALS so they will have a larger voter base. I don't know what the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT situation is in Canada but , here it is at least 12 million people. The rates with the new REFORMS are supposedly higher than what most people pay now , plus there will be higher taxes , fees and fines which raise the cost higher yet. I am sure they will be higher than 100 dollars a month. I have a reasonable insurance plan through my employer and the combined amount paid out for my spouse and I is approximately $1,100.00 per month. I also read recently that British Columbia is having to raise rates and Ration the care even more to their citizens. Most of us just do not want this kind of reform. The U.S. Government also has a very poor record of success when running any kind of business , in fact no success at all.

chilloutyo| 11.22.09 @ 4:00AM

Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Canadian_and_American_health_care_systems) says Canadian per capita health care costs are US$3,678 per capita per annum. That is aboot $300 per month (not $100). I bet you are not old and don't have cancer because your wonderful system aint very good at dealing with such useless old-age people's problems. My Canuck skateboarder friend was fond of the system 'cause it was great with scrapes and minor trauma, though.

GEDoug| 11.22.09 @ 10:02AM

Really, my Canadians friends have nothing at all good to say about health care there.

Ted M| 11.27.09 @ 2:37PM

Life, Liberty, Property...
That's all government can protect without violating each individuals right to that which is their own. That is the crux of the issue, in order for any government 'provide services' to any individual it must first perform what is an illegal act for any individual. If I steal money from you and then use it to buy food, prescription drugs, medical care, a home, or a new car, for those whom have not, the principal will still land me in prison for theft. Therefore, when a government takes from the whole of society (and makes us feel better because they took more of the property from those rich kulaks), is it not still theft? Perhaps, you prefer legalized plunder.

My money is my property, our republic government was instituted to protect the rights of every individual, not grant/force 'services' upon those who cannot afford them and/or don't desire them. Let us take for example a diabetic; did you know the FDA says that NOTHING can treat a disease except for drugs and surgery? Suppose I wanted to use an alternative, natural method for treatment, do you suppose that the government (really, I mean you) will fund my purchase of anything except drugs? Further more, will they approve surgical costs if I don't follow the exact plan, set forth by a panel of doctors, approved by the FDA (which is funded by pharmaceutical companies)? No! To get funding you will have to as you are told.

All that aside, the government cannot contribute to the wealth of a nation, it only consumes by force. Ergo, we need to keep its power very limited to that which is moral and correct. One cannot separate the word voluntary from philanthropy.

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…People with Good Credit AOL Offers Buyouts to 2,500 (33% of their workforce) Treasury to Sell Warrants as Three Banks Exit Bailouts Geithner: Some Bailout Funds to Help Lower Debt AARP Received $18 Million in Federal Stimulus Money –For a job training program that has not created any jobs Roubini: Unemployment to Worsen Commentary from Richard Russell: I Sleep Better With The Metal Sphere It Share and…

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The Democrat Bribe List – Michelle Malkin « The Daley Gator links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…political muscle in the House, where its delegation is the largest of any state and includes Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D- San Francisco) and five committee chairs. 3) AARP a) Via Philip Klein: $18 million in stimulus money b) The Medigap royalty/kickback scheme 4) THE ABORTION LOBBY, via LifeNews: Two leading pro-life organizations that have analyzed the new 2,000-page government-run health care bill released…

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The Survival Station - Economics and Investing: links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…People with Good Credit AOL Offers Buyouts to 2,500 (33% of their workforce) Treasury to Sell Warrants as Three Banks Exit Bailouts Geithner: Some Bailout Funds to Help Lower Debt AARP Received $18 Million in Federal Stimulus Money--For a job training program that has not created any jobs Roubini: Unemployment to Worsen Commentary from Richard Russell: I Sleep Better With The Metal Economics & Investing |…

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» Economics and Investing:Footpounds: Planet Preparedness: links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…People with Good Credit AOL Offers Buyouts to 2,500 (33% of their workforce) Treasury to Sell Warrants as Three Banks Exit Bailouts Geithner: Some Bailout Funds to Help Lower Debt AARP Received $18 Million in Federal Stimulus Money--For a job training program that has not created any jobs Roubini: Unemployment to Worsen Commentary from Richard Russell: I Sleep Better With The Metal Published under Economics…

L.P.| 11.21.09 @ 1:47AM

I have a question in regard to Medicare. I switched to Secure Horizons back in April of this year versus Medicare (part A, B, C & D) and now I want to go back to Medicare and get out of Secure Horizons. Is anyone else with Secure Horizons and what is your opinion of them? I am NOT paying extra for this *Medi-crap* coverage.
Our country is slowly moving towards Socialism/Fascism aeven though the global elitists are quite disappointed that the H1N1 Swine Flu Vaccine has failed (many people KNOW how toxic this vaccine is and that it has long term affects immune-wise) and hardly anyone has died from the swine flu in general. There is no mention of Vitamin D3, and how it can literally protect you from the flu and many other illnesses and you can bet that Big Pharma will try to figure out a drug to replace Vitamin B3, or rather *convince* the sheeple, and get the FDA to approve it. All one has to do to be decieved is watch CNN, Fox News (although I have to give them some credit for having the balls to occasionally tell the truth.)Ofcourse the CDC gives exaggerated percentages of the *death* toll and it is SO absurd!! Depopulation by Innoculation WAS the plan, but now I'm certain they will come up with a NEW virus, create it in a Baxter lab, release it into some third world country while Baxter & Novartis laugh all the way to the bank. Keep in mind that the elitists just can't go around murdering people so they have to come up with plan B. If the *Sheeple* want to believe this is just another conspiracy theory....think again, then do your research..................Or go to the slaughter. This is happening right now...in OUR time....and it is all part of the equasion.
L.P.

Jeff| 11.21.09 @ 1:22PM

If any of the "reform" bills pass you will have to go back to regular Medicare whether you want to or not. All of them seriously reduce or eliminate funding for the Medicare Advantage programs.

evan| 11.22.09 @ 5:51PM

WHEW! LP, HAVE YOU EVER SPENT ANY TIME AT AREA 51?

EYES WIDE OPEN| 11.21.09 @ 8:20AM

AARP is a UNION?
not an advocacy group, explains a lot

CommieBlaster| 11.21.09 @ 9:09AM

Lean more about AARP's ties to Communists, Obama and SEIU here: http://www.commieblaster.com/healthcare/index.html

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Headlines Exposed 11.21.2009 — ExposeTheMedia.com links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…On Public Ignorance And Gullibility PELOSI: Buy A $15,000 Policy Or Go To Jail Healthcare Bills Passing In The Night Obamacare = Big State Tax Hikes Demcare Bribe List AARP Received $18 Million In Stimulus Money (UPDATED With AARP Response) Taxes Proposed To Pay For Health Care Reform The Flawed Senate Health Care Bill Married Couples Face Extra Tax In Healthcare Bill   Report: 20-Somethings Can Go 2 Years…

Elwood Baas| 11.21.09 @ 11:22AM

I canceled my AARP membership when I learned that they were more interested in lining their pockets than helping seniors.

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AARP Was Bought for $18 Million | American Anti-Communist links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…opposed, received an $18 million grant in the economic stimulus package for a job training program that has not created any jobs, according to the Obama administration’s Recovery.gov website. Read More… This entry was posted on Saturday, November 21st, 2009 at 10:45 am and is filed under Analysis. You can follow any responses to this entry through the RSS 2.0 feed. Leave a Reply Click here to…

Linda| 11.21.09 @ 1:17PM

AARP = ACORN for old people

mkurbo| 11.21.09 @ 2:05PM

AARP = Acorn is exactly right !

I just cancelled my Mom's participation in this bogus organization today. This crap with the stimulus funds must be stopped. Vote everyone out – period. We need new citizens as elected officials until the train is back on the track…

Bob| 11.21.09 @ 5:04PM

I noticed that AARP has their ad at the top of this page....they're helping keep this page afloat...isn't that a kick in the head!!

Jake| 11.21.09 @ 5:45PM

AARP is old fart ACORN, nothing more,,, ps... my membership card is in the toilet even as we speak!

Lynn| 11.22.09 @ 10:49AM

Obama still IS a community organizer. This is what happens when you elect criminals to office. I hope there's tapes on AARP. They need to be investigated.

Butch| 11.22.09 @ 11:50AM

Never joined, never will! I wrote "deceased" on the first envelope and haven't heard from them since.

Tater Salad| 11.22.09 @ 12:10PM

We the people will not forget who is supporting this healthcare redistribution bill now working its way through Congress. The Representatives and Senators will have their voting records recorded and cast for all of us to read. Then it will be our turn when their next elections come around. Trust us, we will be waiting and we will not forget. We will campaign against you and you will become unemployed just like the rest of us. You want higher taxes, you will enjoy paying them while being unemployed. You want to have your healthcare rationed and stand in multiple lines, you also will be in line with me and hopefully I get their first. Enjoy your time now because we are watching and waiting!

Tater Salad| 11.22.09 @ 12:12PM

Triple A (AAA) stands for:

Anita, AARP,Acorn = Marxism

Cliff the edge| 11.22.09 @ 12:16PM

Wake up america! AARP sold us seniors out! They took money for an approval of a health care package that they haven't read or worse did read and still did it because the board appointed an Obama kool aid drinker. I have destoryed my AARP cards and urge you to do the same! To remain a part of them is to vote to give up your rights as an american because that is what they support. It also mena that they will be supporting causes that are not ikn your best interest but line the pockets of the big wigs running the organization. Wake Up America! Vote with your feet and your money! Cut up your cards. don't reknew your membership and run these lairs out of business!

Iris | 11.22.09 @ 5:24PM

AARP and the Obama gang are connected at the hip and don't let them fool you. A former AARP member. Everyone needs to cancel their membership and make a loud statement because AARP is no friend of seniors.

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Where does the stimulus money go? - Page 5 - US Message Board - Political Discussion links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…mature workers who are 55+ and are at or below 125% of the poverty guidelines." So far, $6.5 million has been spent on the program, and it has not reported creating any jobs. AARP Received $18 Million In Stimulus Money Those suppose to be "shovel ready" jobs, eh?   # 65 ( permalink)   Today, 06:23 PM Maple Registered User Member #18743   Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,810…

Mark| 11.22.09 @ 8:37PM

As retired Military I don't have to worry about Health Care coverage,but if I wasn't I would never join AARP. This group is as corrupt as ACORN and Washington,WE THE PEOPLE need to put them both out of business.2010 is right around the corner and we can start electing people who #1 Believe in the Constitution & Suport it,#2 People who will work for us and have "OUR" best interests at heart,not there political party's or some Special Interest Group's.

Seneca264| 11.22.09 @ 10:53PM

I hope all the moronic seniors that support the health care bill are denied mecial services. The seniors that support this Marxist crap need to die a slow and painful death.

Terry| 11.22.09 @ 11:17PM

I smell ACORNS

Independant | 11.22.09 @ 11:24PM

This is middle class hard earned tax money for generations they are funneling /laundering

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Some of the Cost of 60 Senate Votes | eransworld links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…received an $18 million grant in the economic stimulus package for a job training program that has not created any jobs,  according to the Obama administration’s Recovery.gov website.  American Spectator So AARP gets grant money and produces no new jobs… Next AARP helps itself by creating its own government mandated insurance profit machine. AARP: Helping Seniors Or Helping Itself? The…

Lavaux| 11.23.09 @ 4:48AM

Why is it that nearly every dollar of stimulus money that the Obama administration spends seems to have some kind of "community organization" connection? As a general rule I ignore conspiracy theories, but in view of Saul Alinksy's Rules for Radicals, but it certainly seems that Pres. Obama and Congress are raiding the federal treasury to arm the radical forces dedicated to fundamentally transforming America into a socialist polity, economy and society.

Wake up and smell the coffee, folks: We've got to run these punks out of D.C. ASAP lest we lose our country.

Ron Auriemma| 11.23.09 @ 9:16AM

I just received an email message from AARP telling me they miss me. They didn't miss me, they hit me right in my angry pocket. I left them because they are a political organization uder the sponsorship of the Obama administration, not a senior support group but a liberal bribe recipient.

Ron Leone| 11.23.09 @ 9:20AM

In reference to AARP and their function or claim to support and fight for Seniors in this country, I can only quote Joe Pesce from the movie "Goodfellas" as it is redubbed for general audiences, "Forget them!"

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Buying Senators links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…federal Medicare payments to doctors in a wide swath of the state in response to complaints that low reimbursement rates have kept them from taking new patients. 3) AARP a) Via Philip Klein: $18 million in stimulus money b) The Medigap royalty/kickback scheme 4) THE ABORTION LOBBY, via LifeNews: Two leading pro-life organizations that have analyzed the new 2,000-page government-run health care bill released…

Mary Ann| 11.23.09 @ 2:08PM

Reminder to all...it is open enrollment now...you can change you Medicare D enrollment without penalty through the end of the year...this is the best way to reminbd AARP who they are suppose to represent. Humana has excellent policies and they do represent our seniors!

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Patricia| 11.24.09 @ 11:37PM

I never belonged to AARP and never will. They are not going to use my money to work against what I believe

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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : AARP Received $18 Million In … Attorney by abo links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Democrats keep telling us how great Medicare is, but if you still have to b uy Medicare supplemental Insurance, it can’t be all that good, … Read more here: The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : AARP Received $18 Million In … By admin | category: aarp car insurance | tags: aarp, before-passing, car-insurance, cheapest, compared-their, financial-planning, insurance, keep-telling, medical,…

Sammy| 12.3.09 @ 9:50AM

The AARP should not be in the insurance business and at the very least they should disclose shier conflict of interested, the justice department needs to investigate the activities of AARP chairman barry rand

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Adrianne| 12.17.09 @ 10:27AM

No, AARP! I'm not going to help you support the healthcare initiative being proposed by the Obama Administration. Ever get a service provider letter stating, "we are growing to serve you better"? Ever found that the growth DID NOT serve you better? Thought so. Me too. Bigger does not necessarily mean better. I don't want government providing my healthcare. What has the government taken over in the past that has proved to be administrated well?

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The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : AARP Received $18 Million In … Attorney by abo links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…keep telling us how great Medicare is, but if you still have to b uy Medicare supplemental Insurance, it can’t be all that good, … View original p ost here: The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : AARP Received $18 Million In … By admin | category: aarp car insurance | tags: aarp, auto insurance, carry-auto, cheapest, compared-their, insurance, insures, keep-telling, medical, mortgage | Aarp…

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Veronica Estrada » The Bribe List: In Exchange for Your Freedom,Your Taxdollars, You’ links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…darling Michelle. God bless the work of her hands. 1) MARY LANDRIEU AND LOUISIANA: $100 million via Jonathan Karl   2) CALIFORNIA: $300 million , via LA Times   3) AARP   a) Via Philip Klein: $18 million in stimulus money   b) The Medigap royalty/kickback scheme   4) THE ABORTION LOBBY, via LifeNews   5) BIG LABOR, via Houston Chronicle, Goodies for labor tucked away in health bill From Mark Mix [Additional:]…

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The Bribe List: In Exchange for Your Freedom,Your Taxdollars, You’ve Gained What?? A links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…And  from Michelle’s original Demcare Bribe List : 1) MARY LANDRIEU AND LOUISIANA: $100 million via Jonathan Karl 2) CALIFORNIA: $300 million , via LA Times 3) AARP  a) Via Philip Klein: $18 million in stimulus money  b) The Medigap royalty/kickback scheme 4) THE ABORTION LOBBY, via LifeNews 5) BIG LABOR, via Houston Chronicle, Goodies for labor tucked away in health bill [Additional:] From Mark Mix…

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The Bribe List: In Exchange for Your Freedom,Your Taxdollars, You’ve Gained What?? A links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…And  from Michelle’s original Demcare Bribe List : 1) MARY LANDRIEU AND LOUISIANA: $100 million via Jonathan Karl 2) CALIFORNIA: $300 million , via LA Times 3) AARP  a) Via Philip Klein: $18 million in stimulus money  b) The Medigap royalty/kickback scheme 4) THE ABORTION LOBBY, via LifeNews 5) BIG LABOR, via Houston Chronicle, Goodies for labor tucked away in health bill [Additional:] From Mark Mix…

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