Conservatives who are excited about Republican victories in last
night's elections should read this
article in the Politico and remember that the GOP
has a long way to go before it has any credibility as a small
government party. The piece takes a close look at the House
select committee on earmark reform, which Republican leaders
created among much fanfare after the Nov. 2008 election to combat
pork barrel spending projects. Yet the committee still hasn't
delivered a report on earmark spending that was supposed to be
completed in February, and more tellingly, eight out of the 10
members of the committee have requested earmarks themselves this
year. This is a great example of the futility of Republicans when
it comes to reining in government -- they talk a big game about
cutting spending, take symbolic measures like creating a
committee, but don't deliver anything tangible.
Commenting on the article, David Hogberg
asks three questions:
First, does it make much sense to have an earmark reform panel
dominated by members who earmark?
Second, is the GOP ready to reach out to the Tea Party movement
(which is clearly anxious about the size, scope and honesty of
government) or is it a party that is engaged in “business as
usual”?
Third, is this what Minority Leader John Boehner, R-Ohio, was
referring to when he recently said the following about the Tea
Party movement on CNN: “It’s going to be a difficult road to
walk with these relatively new entrants into the political
system and work with them to show them that, by and large, we
are the party that represents their interests?”
I would add a fourth: if Republicans can't kick their spending
habit when they have absolutely no power, than how can we expect
them to control themselves should they return to power?
In response to some of your statements. Most of us are fed up
with the GOP, as well as the democrats. Both parties have pretty
much melded into spendthrifts and freedom deniers. The Hoffman
campaign was a protest against the business as usual attitude of
the party hacks from both major parties. The GOP victories were
the result of fed up people, but remember, Christie was elected
as "the lesser of two evils" rather than a bona fide
conservative. Real conservatism is rising and it's not taking any
prisoners to speak of. If the GOP doesn't return to Reaganism,
then it will fade into history. That much is clear.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 4:33PM
Actually, Pete, it is not "conservatism" that is rising, but
fiscal responsibility. Obama ran on that theme and
"conservatives" are more interested in social issues that fiscal
ones if you judge that by their actions and not their words. The
tea party movement is tiny and they are not really fiscal
conservatives. For example, most of them are seniors who would
not give up government run health care (i.e., Medicare). They
want less spending but are not willing to give anything up. That
is NOT fiscal responsibility. Fiscal responsibility is not
spending more than you take in and not cutting taxes BEFORE you
cut spending. Be careful on the use of that word "conservatism".
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 5:19PM
As usual, you're wrong. 40% of Americans self-identify as
Conservatives; RINOs comprise half that number. RINOs like you
who voted for the Marxist, Obama, have no right to lecture us.
Conservatism is on the ascendancy, you're a dying breed.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:56PM
Wrong again, SoCon. 40% of Americans say they are "conservative",
not that they ARE "Conservatives". You can still be conservative
and believe in liberal issues. Look closely at the polling.
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 7:41PM
40% of Americans consider themselves conservative and make up the
majority of the republican party. We are on the ascendancy; RINO
liberal/moderates like you who voted for Obama are morally
bankrupt and are a small minority within the republican party.
Sorry, Bob--you're out.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:01PM
Evidently you had your eyes and mind closed on 9-12. There's many
young people in the tea party movement and it has to do with
fiscal conservatism. Social conservatism goes hand in hand with
that. And don't be knocking us seniors... we have paid for
medicare and SS all our working lives, now we are going to get
stiffed on that as bad as the upcoming generation. We didn't want
those programs but those are supposedly being funded by working
people ( employees and employers) and not through income tax.
That aside, however, conservative means just that..fiscal and
social responsibility. If we didn't have all those people having
kids out of wedlock, with drug and alcohol problems, or just
plain lazy, we could cut spending and taxes.
Nick| 11.4.09 @ 6:35PM
Don't waste your time with 3/5 Bob folks.
In case you didn't know, until recently (last June), 3/5 Bob
thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote under the U.S.
Constitution, as originally written.
He also doesn't know when biological HUMAN life begins because he
is not sure when "ensoulment" takes place.
He is a pseudointellectual, ignore him.
JohnD| 11.4.09 @ 4:42PM
B0b, your statement about "not cutting taxes BEFORE you cut
spending" is based on the false assumption that cutting tax rates
cuts revenue. It doesn't. Cuts in tax rates are followed by
increases in revenue. You can look it up. Lower tax rates spur
further economic growth that results in more revenue. This
happened in the early 80s with the Reagan 1981 tax cuts, and with
the Bush 2001-2002 tax cuts. Its a fact. So tax cuts ARE fiscally
responsible.
Only if you use the CBO's discredited "Static Budget Model" do
higher tax rates result in more revenue. In the real world people
who get to keep more of their earnings earn more, and money left
in private hands leads to growth in GDP. This is not opinion, its
fact.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:59PM
JohnD, you obvious don't look at the data. Here, yet again, is
the Heritage Foundation's graph of federal revenues:
Notice you don't see any increases in revenues other than normal
growth when tax cuts are initiated. Where do you get your
data????? Please show me an inflation adjusted graph that proves
your point. I've been asking for someone to show me that for
several months now -- and they cannot.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 5:16PM
Pete,
As a Pete who has been posting here for some time, I was waiting
to see a post of yours with which I didn't agree so I could
distance myself...but I haven't seen one yet. Pay no mind to Bob.
Perhaps henceforth I shall post as PeteC.
John, prepare for a microscopic scale graph from Bob....
Pete
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:03PM
I didn't realize there was another Pete posting under that name.
No, keep your old name, I'll post as Pete2. My apologies.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:34PM
No worries.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.4.09 @ 5:57PM
PeteC
I hear you.
I used to post as simply "Old Texican" and some screwball started
using my moniker. Evidently the software can discriminate better
if you use two names with your e-mail.
Mr. Klein
Darn it it is just so tempting to act like a mardi gra king
throwing out cheap goodies to the masses.
ARGGGGGHHHHH!
Maybe this country needed to be brought to it's knees by the
communists to learn a very hard lesson.
Learn it the hard way I fear we surely shall.
BD57| 11.4.09 @ 6:03PM
A darn good example of why social cons are so wary of the types
who say "the program should emphasize fiscal sanity and national
defense and soft-pedal social issues" - given their track record,
there's little reason to believe they mean that either.
Social cons will support Republicans who actually behave
consistent with the "fiscal responsibility / national defense"
ethic. So will "moderates" who truly care about those issues -
even if the Republican Party remains "pro life."
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:59PM
JohnD, you obvious don't look at the data. Here, yet again, is
the Heritage Foundation's graph of federal revenues:
Notice you don't see any increases in revenues other than normal
growth when tax cuts are initiated. Where do you get your
data????? Please show me an inflation adjusted graph that proves
your point. I've been asking for someone to show me that for
several months now -- and they cannot.
Pete2| 11.4.09 @ 7:26PM
I looked at that graph and I saw the point being made. Tax
revenues have increased even though rates have been cut. That's
because the tax base expanded( jobs, businesses) but not the tax
rates. As for inflation, if you look at the numbers for the late
70's,you will see a major increase in revenue, which was
inflation generated. After the Reagan tax reform, the
inflationary increase moderated while the revenue generated by an
expanded tax base increased. That's my impression and I do have
some expertise in that. Aside from that, I agree tax cuts without
spending cuts will lead to fiscal disaster, as evidenced by
Bush's fiscal policies and Obama's reckless spending.
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 7:45PM
Pete2--lol! I'm a fan of both Petes!
Robert Bell| 11.5.09 @ 8:11AM
JohnD: It's true that dynamic scoring models predict that a $1
cut in taxes predict *less* than a $1 fall in revenues. The only
question is whether tax cuts in the range of tax rates present in
the U.S. will do that. If you have a reference, I'd like to see
it.
In the meantime, I'll listen to Greg Mankiw, because he wrote the
textbook I used in school
Sorry, mistyped - the question is whether a $1 cut in taxes leads
to a greater than $1 pick up in revenues due to increased
economic growth.
Thomas| 11.5.09 @ 10:01AM
I realize that discussing whether Republicans are smaller
spendthrifts than Democrats and whether a $1 reduction in taxes
will generate more or less than $1 in tax revenue increases is
thrilling, but it misses the point. That is unnecessary
government spending.
Everyone in Washington does it. Why? Because that is what
politicians do, spend OPM. Is it sound fiscal policy? No.
Most Congressmen defend earmarks as being a means of "returning
money to the people of their district". While this seems to make
sense, wouldn't it be logical to ask why it was necessary to take
the money from the people of a Congressional district simply to
allow a Congressman to give it back?
Liberals are never happier than when a government is taking
someone else's money away from them to give it to another person,
especially if it benefits one of their causes. They only become
annoyed when it is their money that is being used. Conservatives
feel that taking someone's property without their consent is
theft and that if you want to give money away, give your own.
Now, politicians, being a crafty lot, have never really changed
the way they get elected and remain in office. They have found
that the simplest way to retain power is to buy the support of
their constituents. It works. At least until the bite gets to be
too big. So, as long as you have a class of professional
politicians, you will always have to deal with this problem. They
will always try to take your money and pend it among their
constituents to by their support. Unless the electorate forces
them to stop, nothing is going to change significantly, no matter
what any politician says.
Roy| 11.5.09 @ 12:06PM
I regard the whole anti-earmark crusade as a fairly symbolic
distraction.
In fact, I'll come right out and say it: I LIKE earmarks. Why?
Because then, instead of quietly leaning on the Special Assistant
Executive Undersecretary for Boondoggles at the Department of
Bureaucro-Blather, Hillary Clinton actually has her own name on
an amendment to spend OPM on a Woodstock Museum. Now she can be
held accountable for it.
Earmark "reform" need not mean elimination, but transparency and
accountability.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 3:07PM
In response to some of your statements. Most of us are fed up with the GOP, as well as the democrats. Both parties have pretty much melded into spendthrifts and freedom deniers. The Hoffman campaign was a protest against the business as usual attitude of the party hacks from both major parties. The GOP victories were the result of fed up people, but remember, Christie was elected as "the lesser of two evils" rather than a bona fide conservative. Real conservatism is rising and it's not taking any prisoners to speak of. If the GOP doesn't return to Reaganism, then it will fade into history. That much is clear.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 4:33PM
Actually, Pete, it is not "conservatism" that is rising, but fiscal responsibility. Obama ran on that theme and "conservatives" are more interested in social issues that fiscal ones if you judge that by their actions and not their words. The tea party movement is tiny and they are not really fiscal conservatives. For example, most of them are seniors who would not give up government run health care (i.e., Medicare). They want less spending but are not willing to give anything up. That is NOT fiscal responsibility. Fiscal responsibility is not spending more than you take in and not cutting taxes BEFORE you cut spending. Be careful on the use of that word "conservatism".
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 5:19PM
As usual, you're wrong. 40% of Americans self-identify as Conservatives; RINOs comprise half that number. RINOs like you who voted for the Marxist, Obama, have no right to lecture us.
Conservatism is on the ascendancy, you're a dying breed.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:56PM
Wrong again, SoCon. 40% of Americans say they are "conservative", not that they ARE "Conservatives". You can still be conservative and believe in liberal issues. Look closely at the polling.
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 7:41PM
40% of Americans consider themselves conservative and make up the majority of the republican party. We are on the ascendancy; RINO liberal/moderates like you who voted for Obama are morally bankrupt and are a small minority within the republican party. Sorry, Bob--you're out.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:01PM
Evidently you had your eyes and mind closed on 9-12. There's many young people in the tea party movement and it has to do with fiscal conservatism. Social conservatism goes hand in hand with that. And don't be knocking us seniors... we have paid for medicare and SS all our working lives, now we are going to get stiffed on that as bad as the upcoming generation. We didn't want those programs but those are supposedly being funded by working people ( employees and employers) and not through income tax. That aside, however, conservative means just that..fiscal and social responsibility. If we didn't have all those people having kids out of wedlock, with drug and alcohol problems, or just plain lazy, we could cut spending and taxes.
Nick| 11.4.09 @ 6:35PM
Don't waste your time with 3/5 Bob folks.
In case you didn't know, until recently (last June), 3/5 Bob thought that blacks had 3/5 of a vote under the U.S. Constitution, as originally written.
He also doesn't know when biological HUMAN life begins because he is not sure when "ensoulment" takes place.
He is a pseudointellectual, ignore him.
JohnD| 11.4.09 @ 4:42PM
B0b, your statement about "not cutting taxes BEFORE you cut spending" is based on the false assumption that cutting tax rates cuts revenue. It doesn't. Cuts in tax rates are followed by increases in revenue. You can look it up. Lower tax rates spur further economic growth that results in more revenue. This happened in the early 80s with the Reagan 1981 tax cuts, and with the Bush 2001-2002 tax cuts. Its a fact. So tax cuts ARE fiscally responsible.
Only if you use the CBO's discredited "Static Budget Model" do higher tax rates result in more revenue. In the real world people who get to keep more of their earnings earn more, and money left in private hands leads to growth in GDP. This is not opinion, its fact.
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:59PM
JohnD, you obvious don't look at the data. Here, yet again, is the Heritage Foundation's graph of federal revenues:
http://www.heritage.org/resear.....-1965.aspx
Notice you don't see any increases in revenues other than normal growth when tax cuts are initiated. Where do you get your data????? Please show me an inflation adjusted graph that proves your point. I've been asking for someone to show me that for several months now -- and they cannot.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 5:16PM
Pete,
As a Pete who has been posting here for some time, I was waiting to see a post of yours with which I didn't agree so I could distance myself...but I haven't seen one yet. Pay no mind to Bob. Perhaps henceforth I shall post as PeteC.
John, prepare for a microscopic scale graph from Bob....
Pete
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:03PM
I didn't realize there was another Pete posting under that name. No, keep your old name, I'll post as Pete2. My apologies.
Pete| 11.4.09 @ 6:34PM
No worries.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.4.09 @ 5:57PM
PeteC
I hear you.
I used to post as simply "Old Texican" and some screwball started using my moniker. Evidently the software can discriminate better if you use two names with your e-mail.
Mr. Klein
Darn it it is just so tempting to act like a mardi gra king throwing out cheap goodies to the masses.
ARGGGGGHHHHH!
Maybe this country needed to be brought to it's knees by the communists to learn a very hard lesson.
Learn it the hard way I fear we surely shall.
BD57| 11.4.09 @ 6:03PM
A darn good example of why social cons are so wary of the types who say "the program should emphasize fiscal sanity and national defense and soft-pedal social issues" - given their track record, there's little reason to believe they mean that either.
Social cons will support Republicans who actually behave consistent with the "fiscal responsibility / national defense" ethic. So will "moderates" who truly care about those issues - even if the Republican Party remains "pro life."
Bob| 11.4.09 @ 6:59PM
JohnD, you obvious don't look at the data. Here, yet again, is the Heritage Foundation's graph of federal revenues:
http://www.heritage.org/resear.....-1965.aspx
Notice you don't see any increases in revenues other than normal growth when tax cuts are initiated. Where do you get your data????? Please show me an inflation adjusted graph that proves your point. I've been asking for someone to show me that for several months now -- and they cannot.
Pete2| 11.4.09 @ 7:26PM
I looked at that graph and I saw the point being made. Tax revenues have increased even though rates have been cut. That's because the tax base expanded( jobs, businesses) but not the tax rates. As for inflation, if you look at the numbers for the late 70's,you will see a major increase in revenue, which was inflation generated. After the Reagan tax reform, the inflationary increase moderated while the revenue generated by an expanded tax base increased. That's my impression and I do have some expertise in that. Aside from that, I agree tax cuts without spending cuts will lead to fiscal disaster, as evidenced by Bush's fiscal policies and Obama's reckless spending.
SoCon| 11.4.09 @ 7:45PM
Pete2--lol! I'm a fan of both Petes!
Robert Bell| 11.5.09 @ 8:11AM
JohnD: It's true that dynamic scoring models predict that a $1 cut in taxes predict *less* than a $1 fall in revenues. The only question is whether tax cuts in the range of tax rates present in the U.S. will do that. If you have a reference, I'd like to see it.
In the meantime, I'll listen to Greg Mankiw, because he wrote the textbook I used in school
http://ideas.repec.org/p/nbr/nberwo/11000.html
Robert Bell| 11.5.09 @ 8:12AM
Sorry, mistyped - the question is whether a $1 cut in taxes leads to a greater than $1 pick up in revenues due to increased economic growth.
Thomas| 11.5.09 @ 10:01AM
I realize that discussing whether Republicans are smaller spendthrifts than Democrats and whether a $1 reduction in taxes will generate more or less than $1 in tax revenue increases is thrilling, but it misses the point. That is unnecessary government spending.
Everyone in Washington does it. Why? Because that is what politicians do, spend OPM. Is it sound fiscal policy? No.
Most Congressmen defend earmarks as being a means of "returning money to the people of their district". While this seems to make sense, wouldn't it be logical to ask why it was necessary to take the money from the people of a Congressional district simply to allow a Congressman to give it back?
Liberals are never happier than when a government is taking someone else's money away from them to give it to another person, especially if it benefits one of their causes. They only become annoyed when it is their money that is being used. Conservatives feel that taking someone's property without their consent is theft and that if you want to give money away, give your own.
Now, politicians, being a crafty lot, have never really changed the way they get elected and remain in office. They have found that the simplest way to retain power is to buy the support of their constituents. It works. At least until the bite gets to be too big. So, as long as you have a class of professional politicians, you will always have to deal with this problem. They will always try to take your money and pend it among their constituents to by their support. Unless the electorate forces them to stop, nothing is going to change significantly, no matter what any politician says.
Roy| 11.5.09 @ 12:06PM
I regard the whole anti-earmark crusade as a fairly symbolic distraction.
In fact, I'll come right out and say it: I LIKE earmarks. Why? Because then, instead of quietly leaning on the Special Assistant Executive Undersecretary for Boondoggles at the Department of Bureaucro-Blather, Hillary Clinton actually has her own name on an amendment to spend OPM on a Woodstock Museum. Now she can be held accountable for it.
Earmark "reform" need not mean elimination, but transparency and accountability.