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Here’s a video from Glenn Beck which seems to show interim White House communications director Anita Dunn listing two of her “favorite political philosophers” in a speech: Mother Teresa and… Mao Tse Tung.
(Skip to 4:10 for the Anita Dunn clip)
Dunn initially juxtaposes the two to make it a joke. “Not often coupled with each other,” she says, to a few laughs. Dave Weigel thinks the whole thing’s a joke that everyone but Glenn Beck gets.
At that point in the video, it is clearly a joke. But then Dunn goes into a somewhat long history of Mao and Chiang Kai Shek in 1947 that’s a little bit too bright, and a little too hagiographic. It suggests that she was in fact not joking that Mao is one of her favorite political philosophers. The joke was the juxtaposition between him and Mother Teresa, not her beliefs. Her love of Mao’s political philosophy, unfortunately, doesn’t seem to be one of the speech’s jokes.
If Anita Dunn does not understand what is wrong with citing Mao as a favorite political philosopher, then she is out of her mind. Is there anything in her background to suggest that she is indeed this crazy? Or is this simply a clip taken out of context?
UPDATE:
Weigel notes in his blog post, and this Think Progress post expands on the point, that McCain and other right-wingers have also been quick to use some of Mao’s sayings, e.g. “it’s always darkest before it’s totally black.”
Of course there’s an important distinction between reciting aphorisms that are fairly universal and anyone could have said, and drawing a lesson from the specific actions and thoughts of a mass murderer as they pertain to mass murder — which is what Dunn does in the clip.
The more significant problem with interpreting this clip as evidence that Dunn is a revolutionary communist is that it lacks context. Beck played three or so full minutes of the clip on his show, but even so there are still possible mitigating circumstances.
For instance, it’s possible that it’s such a friendly and ideologically-attuned audience that Dunn thinks she can get away with making fine points about Mao without being questioned on the larger point that she deplores him as a communist dictatory. It’s entirely possible — I’ve certainly been at events where liberals feel comfortable enough with the audience to discuss the effiencies of communist health care systems without first bothering to disclaim communism’s atrocities. Similarly, I’ve heard conservatives praise South American dictators for implementing certain free-market reforms without mentioning at the same time that they appreciate that the people they’re talking about were in fact dictators.
The other problem is that, as far as I’m aware, there’s no other information out there that suggests that Anita Dunn is the kind of person who would talk about Mao’s achievements, let alone be a secret communist sympathizer.
Then again, she is the White House’s communications director, and the bottom line is that she’s supposed to communicate her political preferences a little better than this.
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Crusader| 10.16.09 @ 11:15AM
Why are lib women always so darn UGLY? And what was that thing she kept doing with her mouth?
Scary times indeed folks.
Van Pwned| 10.16.09 @ 11:38AM
I was wondering the same thing. Reminded me of someone with tardive dyskinesia, which is a very sad side effect associated with years of anti-psychotic medication use.
debra | 10.16.09 @ 12:17PM
my husband and I are in healthcare. tardive dyskinesia it is. she must be on some strong, long term meds.
Plan 9 | 10.16.09 @ 12:48PM
She mostly made me think of one of alien lizard people that's trying to take over the world.
Rick| 10.16.09 @ 12:27PM
I was thinking the same thing! Why is it that we (as conservatives) have all the pretty ones: Hannah Giles, SE Cupp, Malkin, etc., etc. and they bring out people like this! Not that her looks matter because her words are still ridiculous!
beihai| 10.16.09 @ 2:16PM
Most serious women in politics, left or right, are not attractive, the attractive ones marry rich doctors. And don't tell me talking heads like Malkin are Conservative, they are just bubble heads. Ayn Rand was a real thinker, and she was scary looking.
I do wish this site knew how to spell, it is Mao Ze Dong. (which means, literally, Hair Pond East) Imagine reading a Chinese website that spells his name Gren Breck.
As to the speech, yawn, at American ROTC classes they teach the Art of War by Sun Tzu, and he was in the employ of a corrupt dictator. Are you going to suggest the American military agrees with the politics of Sun Tzu, or will they simply take his knowledge and put it to better use? Yeah, the woman screwed up in her phraseology, as I said, yawn.
kddenfeld| 10.20.09 @ 1:22AM
The difference, I would imagine, is that an ROTC class they do not claim Sun Tzo to be 'one of their favorite political philosophers.'
dg| 7.25.10 @ 11:47AM
Besides getting the pinyin wrong for Sun Zi, beihai also gets it wrong for one of Dunn's favorite "philosophers," Mao Zedong. Leaving aside the validity of characterizing Mao as a philosopher, to translate Chinese names literally is to commit one of the classic Sinological blunders: would anyone seriously consider referring to comedian David Steinberg as "Beloved Stone Mountain?" Or Albert Einstein as "Noble One Stone?"
donghai| 10.21.09 @ 4:12PM
If you insist on using Pinyin, then SunTzu should be Sun Zi. If you still use Sun Tzu, imagine reading a Chinese website that spells the name of Glenn Beck as Gren Breck.
If she just spoke about strategy, it is certainly fine to use Hitler or Bin Laden as her guides. But please do not use a mass murderer as her favority political philosopher.
J-D| 10.22.10 @ 11:04PM
Actually Mao Tse Tung is spelled in Simplified Chinese 毛泽东 and in Traditional Chinese 毛澤東. There are many ways of spelling Chinese words when its not using the characters. If you've ever been to a Chinese speaking country you may find that they also spell many things in as many or five or six different ways. Unless of course they are using characters, that's really the only "correct" way to spell something in Chinese, since you seem so concerned about it. Good point though about why Mao was actually a really great guy that we should all respect.... oh wait you only talked about his name. He was an evil man who was responsible for the deaths of millions of people. Why? Because he was tyring to make communism come about by instituting socialism.
clintpeter| 10.16.09 @ 3:58PM
frustrated, unsatisfied women often become commies.
david gorski| 10.16.09 @ 8:13PM
honestly, she's probably got dry mouth from taking SSRI or tri-cyclic anti-depressive drugs. its a common side effect especially when you talk. i'm not being facetious. i used to take zoloft, paxil, cloazepam, wellbutrin, (not all at once) and thats EXACTLY what i would do to try to re wet my mouth when speaking
barbara| 10.16.09 @ 9:12PM
I believe the constant licking with the tongue indicates a vitamin deficiency. It sure was ugly.
Tony| 10.22.09 @ 7:12PM
obviously a lizzard person!!!!!!
Oldefarte| 10.16.09 @ 11:25AM
Ah yes, we commoners are just too stupid [or 'ly'] to truly understand the meanings put forth by these brilliant intellectuals that work for THE MESSIAH, I guess. It's not what Clinton proclaimed that IT DEPENDS ON WHAT THE MEANING OF 'IS' IS; but in the old saying that IT IS WHAT IT IS!!!!!
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john r| 10.16.09 @ 11:31AM
She is ugly and a disgrace to this country.
Jaime Gonzalez| 10.16.09 @ 11:39AM
And just think, she is only a small part of todays Administration!
Dandy Don| 10.16.09 @ 11:48AM
We will all wake up some day and Obama will be gone, but she will still be ugly and have a funky mouth.
Old Oak Tree| 10.16.09 @ 11:53AM
In the video, Anita Dunn said:
"... the two people I turn to the most."
and about Mao:
"I think of him all the time."
Wikipedia says: In April 2008, it was announced that Dunn, who had joined the Obama campaign in February, would be the director of communications, policy and research operations for Obama for America, where she held the title Senior Adviser and was one of the major decision makers of the Obama campaign.
So, she is one of Obama's major decision makers, and SHE THINKS OF MAO ALL THE TIME.
The Wikipedia entry about Mao indicates he was responsible for many, many deaths, including many whom he ordered killed because they opposed him politically, as well as many who died of famine due to failed collectivist policies.
Susan| 10.16.09 @ 11:54AM
I am embarrassed for those commenting on the woman's looks! Stay civil. Let's talk about the real concern, which is of utmost importance, but stop the unnecessary school yard talk.
April| 10.16.09 @ 6:04PM
Come on Susan ... You've got to admit you would not be caught with that hair-do... I know I wouldn't...
MReed| 10.16.09 @ 6:47PM
I agree, to some degree, that her physical attractiveness is not the important issue. But when the ugliness of her words is somehow "enhanced" by her looks, I can't blame people for noticing. After all, how many millions did Mao, one of her two favorite philosophers, murder?
Does anyone remember the story of Dorian Gray? This is a prime example.
cui jian| 10.26.09 @ 5:39AM
MURDER WHO????
I AM A CHINESE, I BELIEVE THERE ARE 89% CHINESE WHO SUPPORT CHAIR MAO.
YOUR SB NEVER SEE THE TRUTH, JUST BA BA.....,
YOU BETTER GO TO CHINA ,TO SEE ,
ORTHERWISE, SHUT YOUR MOUTH UP!!!!
TJ| 1.31.10 @ 10:08AM
Dud. If you want to know the death tolls that Mao made. go to
scroll down to the near bottom and there will be a headline that says People's Republic of China, Mao Zedong's regime. there are several different people with the estimated death tolls. enjoy!
TJ| 1.31.10 @ 10:09AM
users.erols.com/mwhite28/warstat1.htm
Wendy | 3.27.10 @ 10:26PM
Susan, you are far too civil to be on this site. Thank you for saying that.
Ken| 10.16.09 @ 11:54AM
Truly amazing - Anita Dunn is now attempting to write off her reference to Chairman Mao as a joke. While the initial part of the speech, coupling Mao with Mother Theresa, may have been a joke, her admiration for Mao's philosophy later in the speech, "you fight your war, I'll fight mine," came across loud and clear.
Eric Cartman | 10.16.09 @ 3:10PM
Obviously, Ken, you are unfamiliar with Mao jokes! You are not sophisticated enough to understand the nuances we elite people have in our sense of humor. Look, Mao may have killed millions, but look at the socialist paradise he left his people. You have no regard for the working poor and the environment! If you did you would see the correctness of what we are trying to do! It was a joke, you right wingers just don't get it! Killing people = funny! See? Jeez!
Sandra | 10.17.09 @ 2:37AM
What paradise are you talking about?? I have Chinese friends who lived in China during the Cultural Revolution. He took the doctors and put them in the fields and sent their children to be slaves in Tibet. His ideas were that everyone should be the same, poor and bridled by the communist government. That country only started to have free interprise in the past few years. You're out of your mind to think Socialism is good. It's just lazy selfish people that want to take from those who work hard to give to deadbeats, just like the Socialist (Communist) of China and Russia.
Richard| 10.18.09 @ 9:39PM
Ah.... Sandra, Eric was using what we call sarcasm.
While we (U.S.) are on a bullet train to socialism, the People's Republic of China has at least 130 billionairs. Reported by FOX News on Friday.
I'm just sayin' , maybe Mao is turning in his grave with all his hard work going down the tubes.
And one more thing, since when is Mother Teresa considered a political philosopher ?
Tony| 10.22.09 @ 7:16PM
So is George Washington. Spinning like a mofo
CUI JIAN| 10.26.09 @ 5:43AM
oh, come on Sandra, you're biggest liar. I am a Chinese, I konw better than you about Mao . we love him , at least 90% Chinese love him.
Sandra | 11.27.09 @ 12:52AM
Oh, CUI JIAN, you're lying to yourself. I lived in China the first four years after Tinnamon Square Murders. I did not meet one Chinese citizen that liked Mao. They hated him, not loved him.
Michael Tabasco | 10.19.09 @ 2:49PM
Eric: "We elite people " ? What WE are trying to do ? Who is we ? And who are you to consider yourself an elitist ? If you do, you belong in the White House....It's not about right wing, it's about what this country was founded on, if you don't like it, move to a socialist nation...simple as that...WE are not going to sit by idly and watch it happen against the WILL of the majority...and, in case you have forgotten, it is the WILL of the people that matters here...not a select group of law graduates with their own agendas....As far as Ms. Baker goes, the way she struggled to verbalize and the dry mouth issues, etc., lent itself to speculation as to whether she is on mind altering medication because if you understand physcology and the meds out there to "help" people, they have those side effects....it's disturbing to hear someone like her spewing that garbage out to students given the power she now holds....wake up!!!
Tony| 10.22.09 @ 7:20PM
All these idiots in the admin. are totally in love with themselves. And of course they know much better than we do otherwise, how could they love themselves so much. Makes perfect sense to me.
Nate| 10.16.09 @ 12:12PM
"O the vainness, and the frailties, and the foolishness of men! When they are learned they think they are wise, and they hearken not unto the counsel of God, for they set it aside, supposing they know of themselves, wherefore, their wisdom is foolishness and it profiteth them not. And they shall perish. But to be learned is good if they hearken unto the counsels of God."
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DB| 10.16.09 @ 12:30PM
the mouth, long term meds...only possible answer, what came out of it... Wake up AMERICA your love affair with this POTUS is over and now you are seeing where we are headed with this puppet. Who is pulling the strings, the people who got him elected, stay tuned.. its gonna get....................................
EB| 10.16.09 @ 12:42PM
My 11 year old son noticed what she was doing with her mouth and facial expressions. I explained to him at the time that it was a sign of a medical condition, either a medication or brain-function issue. It is quite obvious. Isn't it possible this condition affects more than just her facial expressions? I'm just asking the question. Anyone who agrees with the philosophy of a mass murderer is obviously off her nut.
ST| 10.16.09 @ 2:10PM
The mouth movements are a side effect (not the actual condition) of taking antipsychotic meds, which is called tardive dyskinesia. The director of communications appears to be on some pretty strong meds. Comforting.
paul| 10.16.09 @ 1:00PM
The real problem with the speech is the quality of the content and her delivery. She is not a very good speaker and would likely receive a D in a high school speech class for her performance.
Tony| 10.22.09 @ 7:22PM
Of course she'd "see" an A.
Paul| 10.16.09 @ 1:21PM
It's not about Anita Dunn's looks, her health or even her speech or her views. It is about what sort of people Obama is surrounding himself with. She is just a small piece in a puzzle. The puzzle that is being put together is really how to destroy the traditional values of this country. I think folks are beginning to see that the people that Obama surrounds himself with are the people that truly and deeply hate what this country stands for.
Linda| 10.16.09 @ 6:00PM
Ding Ding Ding... Give that man a cigar !! That's all you need to know.... As he states it himself "look to the people I surround myself"
I'm not going off on Obama but seriously think about it....
My God America - wake up !!!! Ask questions... Write your Senators.... This is our country....
Tont| 10.22.09 @ 7:24PM
For me, writing my senator is useless.
I'm from Illinois.
nuff said
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Mike | 10.16.09 @ 3:06PM
Although her physical presentation was distracting, the real issue was not delivery but content. Out of the many notable figures throughout history, why present Mao as a credible political philosopher and present that opinion to a young and impressionable group of students? The progressive liberals of this country are systematically destroying the basic principles of our Constitution and unfortunately the Obama administration seems to be filled with them.
Tim| 10.16.09 @ 5:57PM
Correct .. I mean really look at all these people he hangs aroudn with ... I mean are we that stupid that more and more have marxist caonnections? I can see one or two but time and time agian when your flow the trail they all lead to socialists....
I don't care who you support.. jsut look at it with an open mind....
Seriously .. look into it.. frightening .....
Andrew B| 10.16.09 @ 3:12PM
I will quote one of my favorite philosophers who said "You can't make an omelette without breaking 70 million eggs."
I don't know which is scarier--her speech, or the fact that it was delivered in a church.
R.C.| 10.16.09 @ 3:50PM
You guys are funny about the meds..I personally think that her funky mouth movements can be attributed to nothing more than ill fitting dentures. (But then again I'm no doctor,maybe one of her problems could be meds ~or the LACK thereof...that's why she's so liberal!
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cstarr| 10.16.09 @ 6:06PM
If conservatives have a problem with Ms. Dunn making references to Mao, they should have a bigger problem with the Family or Fellowship, whose leader is always talking about how he admires the methods of Hitler or Mao. The Family is an organization that includes a lot of Republican congressmen.
MReed| 10.16.09 @ 7:02PM
Okay, cstarr, give us some names! Or is this more of the liberal blathering of lies that is so endemic to this administration?
cstarr| 10.17.09 @ 4:15AM
I'm probably too late, but here's an interesting link about this:
http://ethicsdaily.com/news.php?viewStory=14549
Dick Wangler| 10.16.09 @ 6:08PM
From Anita Dunn: "In 1947, when Mao Zedong was being challenged within his own party on his plan to basically take China over, Chiang Kai-shek and the Nationalist Chinese held the cities, they had the army, they had the air force, they had everything on their side. And people said, "How can you win? How can you do this? How can you do this against all of the odds against you?" And Mao Zedong said, you know, "You fight your war, and I'll fight mine." And think about that for a second."
Anita Dunn just gave us a compelling justification for implementing the most barbaric methods of torture on the detainees in Guantanimo. Don't listen to what others say - do what is right for you. Never mind the rule of law, never mind civility, and what happened to the "world consensus" the left was so concerned about? Didn't the left preach for EIGHT YEARS that the US was "wrong" to "go it alone" with regards to Iraq? Using this "philosophy", one could argue anything and justify it to anyone who will listen.
Ms. Dunn's cognative process is holier than Mother Theresa, and my prediction is that Dunn is done.
Tony | 10.22.09 @ 7:29PM
Hope you're right
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MReed| 10.16.09 @ 7:04PM
Excellent!!
CommiesAmongUs| 10.16.09 @ 8:03PM
It shouldn't be surprising any more. Every one of Obama's administration appointments is a hardcore radical lefty and all of Obama's mentors are hardcore radical socialist communist Marxist loonies. Van Jones, Ayers, Dohrn, Sebelius, Holdren, Alinsky, Fanon etc etc...
Let's stop being shocked. The president is a commie.
But worse than that the president is actually a fascist. Fascism - the partnership of government and business. Obama is the one shaking down the taxpayer to "bail out" the big international investment banks. That's not socialism or communism. That is hardcore fascism.
bic| 10.16.09 @ 8:49PM
Right about the fascism and the banks.
Lizardlick Dunn's husband is a lawyer named Bauer who went after people in 2008 who brought up Bill Ayers. Mao would have been proud.... clinging to their little red books and Utopian mysticism.
Scotty| 10.16.09 @ 9:08PM
Liberals are trying to deny that she really likes Mao although the cat is out of the bag and she put no disclaimer to the kids in her explanation therefore there is only one joke and that is Anita Dunn. Egads change you can count on, bring us together, five days on the website, yep pinocchio is one of this adminstrations other great philosophers............
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Brooksanne| 10.17.09 @ 3:13PM
It's despicable to comment on this woman's appearance, and doing so detracts from Mr. Lawler's point, which is one worth considering.
Brooksanne| 10.17.09 @ 3:13PM
It's despicable to comment on this woman's appearance, and doing so detracts from Mr. Lawler's point, which is one worth considering.
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VainHussein| 10.18.09 @ 10:51PM
Anita is a snake in the grass, and just like all forked-tongue snakes Anita had to flick her tongue out every few seconds. She couldn't help it -- it is just immutable reptilian instinct.
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Robert Marzano| 10.19.09 @ 3:08PM
My cat's breathe smells like kat foods. Public ed. is the kause of all that is bAd?!
The Jewish Nazi| 10.27.09 @ 12:12AM
Nutz...
Michael Tabasco | 10.19.09 @ 3:09PM
I'm sorry folks, but this has got to be accelerated...the fight against this overall agenda has to be accelerated...this is more complicated than anyone has time to unravel...the only reason I am enveloped in this is because I am an unemployed professional with my primary source of income eviscerated.....that's right....eviscerated...I originated and approved FHA / VA loans which were full documentation loans and carried loan limit "ceilings" relative to statewide county loan limits....started to see the bottom drop out in late 2006 when the real estate values were out of control and thereby "required" stated income / no- doc loans in order to faciliate them...I did not participate in this madness and helplessly watched what I predicted over 4 years ago... Does anybody care to understand that a "select" few bank were saved here by the "FED" and the Treasury Department ? Does anybody know that a record 100 banks are now insolvent and out of business ? Not Goldman Sachs...they made 3 billion dollars in the second quarter this year buying up toxic assets (mortgage backed securities) at bottom auction levels....Wall Street keeps trading derivatives......this is madness... The Fed is monetizing the debt because there are no takers for the T Bills...etc... it's not good... The only people on board with this administration are union people and their contractors which basically constitutes ALL government employees...and the numbers are growing...the private sector is under attack and the private sector is the basis for growth in this country..... We need to change this course and stop talking about it......the only way, apparently, is to get the right people in office....a monumental task at best..
Howard| 10.19.09 @ 9:14PM
Anita Dung is Obama’s Joseph Goebbels. How dare these Marxist traitors dismantle our Constitution, and our First Amendment!!!
gm| 10.20.09 @ 12:48PM
As a liberal, I'm embarrassed and ashamed by Anita's comments. I don't really care if she acknowledged him as a great thinker--many many non-communists do--but using his takeover of China as a model for the rest of us is an embarrassment. In other news, I have no earthly idea how any of you can think Obama is a communist after how he's handled the banks. He's clearly a capitalist, and for many of us not liberal enough.
gm| 10.20.09 @ 12:51PM
(by great thinker, I only mean an intellectual--I absolutely don't mean great in his actions. great in the same way that Machiavelli's The Prince is still read today--and, well, though I can't understand it, Mein Kampf.)
FLConservative| 10.20.09 @ 11:35PM
I agree with your assessment, Joseph, that Dunn's "joke" was, as you said, "a little bit too bright, and a little too hagiographic." I think that's right on the money. Great article!
L Ron Hubbub| 10.22.09 @ 11:55AM
d a m n commie sleestak
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She needs scientology
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Kceb Nnelg| 10.30.09 @ 5:54PM
I'm pretty sure it's a common knowledge that Glenn Beck already kill 1 billion ppl.
What? sound proof?! Pfffft, what's that?!
Sandy| 10.31.09 @ 4:34PM
KeebNnelg, you don't make sense. Glenn Beck and other conservative talkshow hosts are the only sane people trying to wake up this country before there no longer is a United States of America. Obama's cronies all want a revolution and make us be part of a world government. If they want a revolution, they just may get one! I know which side I'll be on, the side of our Founding Father's Constitution!
Kceb Nnelg| 10.31.09 @ 10:16PM
Before your so-call "sane" people start to learn how to put out a speech with sound proof and reasoning rather than filling it up with make-up bullshit and fucked up logic, I would rather sit back here and watch you take your high horse and spew whatever you want, you know, just as fun as watching monkey and horse during the circus show.
retrorex| 11.3.09 @ 11:58AM
McCain is a WHAT? McCain is a right-winger? When I read that, I laughed so hard, I started drooling on my shirt. McCain isn't just a liberal, he's a GIANT liberal who doesn't have a conservative (read: right-wing) bone in his body. The man is so utterly liberal, about 50% of the Republican Party would not vote for him in 2008, paving the way for the Obamanation that we now must suffer through. One question: please tell me something that liberal fool McCain has ever said or done that could be construed?
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