The American Spectator

Aaron| 8.11.09 @ 2:55PM

There goes that voter base... What is he gonna do to make it up to them? Probably have a beer summit again, where will they park all them little white trucks? Maybe Cliff Claven could give him the answers to health care.

Real American| 8.11.09 @ 3:10PM

Obama citing the postal service in an argument IN FAVOR of government run health care is classic gaffe - the kind of gaffe where a politician accidentally tells the truth!

Don S| 8.11.09 @ 3:15PM

Funny comment about the Post Office Mr. President. Have you ever considered that the USPS is the only one of the carriers being controlled by Congress? Is it the Post Office that is screwed up or is it the politicians controlling it?

Henry| 8.11.09 @ 3:16PM

Obama is putting the Congress between Barock and a hard place. It is becoming clear to even the Democrats that he doesn't have a clear plan to achieve his impossible goals. Insurance reform, yes. Government health plan, no.

Don S| 8.11.09 @ 3:25PM

It is time to start repairing what's broke and stop legislating it. Nobody in this country is responsible anymore for anything. We are ruining our children by telling them it's the governments responsibility to make sure that they are ok and doing the right thing. We are becoming so thin skinned in this country that we can't even make a comment on anything for fear that we will damage somebody's self esteem. The way this country is going, we are going to make the French look more sturdy a people in the next 30 years then we are. I feel sorry for our children and grandchildren growing up in a country so watered down that we are afraid to sing the national anthem in English for fear that we may offend our illegal immigrant community.

Joe Biden | 8.11.09 @ 3:56PM

Couldn't have said it better myself! And I might add, I don't know any postal workers making $250,000 a year!

mmv | 8.11.09 @ 4:00PM

Where was he going with this??!!!

don S| 8.11.09 @ 4:16PM

Is this the Joe Biden from Poughkeepsie or is this the Joe Biden from NW DC?

Missy| 8.11.09 @ 4:47PM

Just blame this oopsie! on the teleprompter.

John| 8.11.09 @ 5:09PM

When are you conservative idiots going to decide to get real details on the pending health care legislation instead of falling for the BS you are getting from your heroes at FOX News on on right-wing radio?

Leo Wong| 8.11.09 @ 5:15PM

Obama supported single payer in the past because it is the best way to go. He has been against it as president because he thought a "public option" would more easily pass. He should have stuck with single payer.

Gerald| 8.11.09 @ 5:20PM

Another Obamian slip. Remember this one by Maxine Waters? http://www.thesubstratum.com/general-politics/obamian-slip-when-the-mouth-speaks-truth-before-brain-can-stop-it/

Eliot| 8.11.09 @ 5:27PM

John, you moron, read the bill yourself:
http://energycommerce.house.gov/Press_111/20090714/aahca.pdf

If you aren't scared by the actual text of the bill, you must be illiterate.

Blacque Jacques Shellacque| 8.11.09 @ 5:30PM

...Obama was pushing back against the idea that the creation of a new government-run plan would drive private insurers out of business, and he said that UPS and FedEx were doing fine, but "it's the post office that's always having problems." Oops!

And the USPS is only a quasi-government agency....

Don S| 8.11.09 @ 5:36PM

Eliot, Let's be nice to John. He forgets about the new credit card regulations that are going to make those of us that drive cars and take vacations that we can afford have to pay more in fees and interest to cover for those who are maxed out to the hilt in credit card charges for everything that those of us who pay our bills defer till we can afford them. Another example of responsible people paying for those who aren't. Seems to be the new American way; just another "Ready, Fire, Aim" approach to "fixing" America. I am not trashing poor people, just poor people driving nice new cars, wearing designer clothes and watching big screen LCD t.v's while defaulting on their loans.

Alex| 8.11.09 @ 6:15PM

I simply don't know how to make one of those linky things so do the best you can with this.

August 19, 2008

Obama Touts Single-Payer System for Health Care

Amy Chozick reports on the presidential race from Albuquerque, N.M.

“If I were designing a system from scratch, I would probably go ahead with a single-payer system,” Obama told some 1,800 people at a town-hall style meeting on the economy.

http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2008/08/19/obama-touts-single-payer-system/

H/T to Jim Geraghty of the National Review blog - Campaign Spot

DC| 8.11.09 @ 6:16PM

Dear John--as another commenter suggests, actually reading the various "health care" bills oozing out of the Democrat-controlled Committees is precisely what is giving rise to the fear and anger. Have a quick look, genius:

Special Treatment for Socialized Medicine. (Kucinich Amendment text) Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D., Ohio) won Committee support for an amendment that would allow a state to get an Employee Retirement Income Security Act (ERISA) waiver if they set up a single-payer system in the state. The state-based single payer system would operate in lieu of the National Health Exchange and public-insurance option embodied in House bill. Under the Kucinich amendment, a state could override ERISA, federal law governing self-insured companies. It is worth noting that for Americans in such a state who liked and wanted to keep their private health insurance — a promise President Obama has made repeatedly — that promise would be nullified under the Committee amendment. It is also worth noting that the Committee did not provide for any other policy option for states, including free-market options, except the adoption of a state-based system of socialized medicine.

Job Losses. (Hoekstra Amendment text) The Bureau of Labor Statistics estimates that the current national unemployment rate is 9.7 percent. But the House bill has an employer “pay-or-play” mandate, which include a tax on employers of up to 8 percent if they do not offer a federally approved benefits package to their workers. Economists note that taxes on employers are generally passed on to employees in reduced wages or other compensation, including job loss. To forestall the impact of the House bill on employment levels, Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-Mich.) introduced an amendment that would suspend employer mandate provisions if the national unemployment rate equaled or exceeded 8 percent for 2 consecutive months. The Hoekstra amendment failed in Committee on a voice vote.

Deficits. (McClintock Amendment text) President Obama has repeatedly stated that he wants to sign health-care legislation that is “deficit-neutral.” In order to ensure that objective, Rep. Tom McClintock (R., Calif.) offered an amendment that would prevent major provisions of the bill from being enacted, or implemented, if the Director of the Office of Management and Budget found that they were not deficit-neutral. This amendment also failed in Committee. Meanwhile, Congressional Budget Office director Douglas Elmendorf stated that the House health-care legislation “significantly expands the federal responsibility for health care costs.”

Taxpayer-Funded Abortion. (Souder group health Amendment text, Souder taxpayer funded abortion ban Amendment text) The House bill, as currently drafted, allows the secretary of Health and Human Services to outline the minimum benefits that must be included in any health plan. There is no specific provision in the bill that would require insurance coverage of abortion. However, since the decisions over benefits are left to the secretary of HHS, with recommendations from a newly created Health Care Benefits Advisory Committee, there is nothing to prevent the current or future secretary from including abortion coverage in Americans’ health insurance. That is why a number of prominent pro-life Democrats in the House of Representatives have insisted that there be a provision to prevent taxpayer-financed abortion in the House bill. Meanwhile, Rep. Mark Souder (R., Ind.) offered two amendments: one that would prevent requirements to cover abortions in group health plans and another that would prohibit the use of taxpayer dollars to fund abortions. The Committee defeated both amendments. In other words, the federal government could mandate that abortions be covered by health-insurance plans available through the national health-insurance exchange.

Gutting Worker Choice. (Kline Amendment text) The key issue in the emerging health care debate is the validity of the President’s promise that Americans who like their coverage would be able to keep it. Rep. John Kline (R., Minn.) proposed an amendment to give employees greater say regarding the preservation of their employer-sponsored health insurance. The Kline amendment would allow employees to conduct an annual referendum to determine if their company should be subject to the employer mandate provisions currently attached to the bill. The amendment was soundly defeated, with 28 Democratic members voting no.

The Doctor-Patient Relationship. (Price Amendment text) Under the House bill, the federal government would determine what benefits must be included in an “acceptable” health insurance plan. Rep. Tom Price (R., Ga.) offered an amendment to ensure that patients would be able to contract privately with doctors and other health-care providers, even if such procedures fell outside of the guidelines for health plans in the newly created national health-insurance exchange or the public-insurance option. The Price amendment passed on a voice vote.

warpublican| 8.11.09 @ 6:19PM

Funny right-wingers - when O says government good, they point to the Post Office - when O points to the PO as struggling against private enterprise - which it is because - unlike FedEx and UPS, the Postal Service is also fighting against the Internet and Email. More noise for the echo chamber - but nothing that will chip at Obama's ability to whip your butts...

Love that Girl| 8.11.09 @ 6:19PM

OUCH! The TRUTH HURTS! :D

This idiot finally speaks the TRUTH and the media spins it as a gaffe or won't report it, just like when Biden speaks the Truth and the media spins it as gaffes.
By the way, where is Biden, oh yea! they shoved him in a closet to keep the American people from know the TRUTH.

JimE| 8.11.09 @ 6:24PM

Warpublican, I have always been interested in mental retardation in adults, tell me more about yourself.

James| 8.11.09 @ 6:49PM

To John,

We don't get ALL of our information from FOX News or talk radio. Some of us read the bill.
Open your eyes to this liar, who today said he is not in favor of a single payer system. On more than one occasion Liebama has said he IS in favor of a single payer system. Do a little research and stop drinking the Liebama cool-aide. This is not the first time Liebama has lied. How can you tell when Obama is lying? When he opens his mouth!
James

Ralph Woods| 8.11.09 @ 7:11PM

What is up with Obama with all the gaffes and stumbling in with his answers? Is Joe Biden operating the telepromters?

Diana| 8.11.09 @ 7:49PM

Obama Lied, Seniors Died.

Benjamin| 8.11.09 @ 8:14PM

Besides the Post Office gaffe, Obama said that a public option could effectively compete against private insurers as long as it wasn't "subsidized by the government." What the hell is he talking about? Of course a public option would be subsidized by the government. Besides being a serial liar, the man is simply incoherent on the issue.

manuel| 8.11.09 @ 8:34PM

Funny, the letter carrier union supported the " Messiah" big time! Now what do they think, how about a knife in the back to USPS !!!

Jeremiah| 8.11.09 @ 8:40PM

Dumb ass in chief also claimed that AARP backed OBAMASCARE--which is another lie.

Hey, Obama, people who tell the truth don't get caught up in the webs of their lies.

Randy Reigel| 8.11.09 @ 8:45PM

It's time for even the people who voted for him to realize he's a liar. He's like the guy who asked the best looking girl out in high school and she said YES!
Now, he doesn't know what to do next without the experienced guy (teleprompter) saying whats next.

Jasmin| 8.11.09 @ 8:45PM

In addition to the slam against USPS, he also says at the end" as long as it is not funded by the taxpayers so even if they (the government) are not providing a good deal, we (the taxpayers) have to keep pouring out more and more money" the problem is that is exactly what a public option is.... Not a good day for Obama!

Willey| 8.11.09 @ 8:46PM

Yeah, John, we know you're a real independent thinker: Your Dear Leader speaks and you automatically believe. He's been caught on video--numerous times--supporting single payer. IN HIS OWN WORDS!

Open your eyes, moron.

Jeff| 8.11.09 @ 8:59PM

This looks awefully "fishy" to me. Maybe we should report him to him at the white house.
flag@whitehouse.gov

Morry| 8.11.09 @ 9:04PM

The article misses the more important point. It's not the "Ooops!" of dissing the Post Office, it's that he provides us with one of the best arguments AGAINST gov't run health care -- JUST COMPARE THE P.O. WITH UPS AND FedEx AS OBAMA DOES. Do we really want life & death issues decided by the kind of bureaucrats who brought us the Post Office?

This video should be run, re-run, and re-re-run in ads that include slogans like:

STAMP OUT GOV'T-RUN HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE MEANS NO FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL BE 2ND CLASS

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WAY TOO FAR

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: THEY CAN SIGN IT AND SEAL IT, BUT CAN THEY DELIVER IT?

WITH GOV'T RUN HEALTH CARE WE'LL ALL END UP P.O.'ed.

etc

Morry| 8.11.09 @ 9:05PM

The article misses the more important point. It's not the "Ooops!" of dissing the Post Office, it's that he provides us with one of the best arguments AGAINST gov't run health care -- JUST COMPARE THE P.O. WITH UPS AND FedEx AS OBAMA DOES. Do we really want life & death issues decided by the kind of bureaucrats who brought us the Post Office?

This video should be run, re-run, and re-re-run in ads that include slogans like:

STAMP OUT GOV'T-RUN HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE MEANS NO FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL BE 2ND CLASS

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WAY TOO FAR

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: THEY CAN SIGN IT AND SEAL IT, BUT CAN THEY DELIVER IT?

WITH GOV'T RUN HEALTH CARE WE'LL ALL END UP P.O.'ed.

etc

Morry| 8.11.09 @ 9:05PM

The article misses the more important point. It's not the "Ooops!" of dissing the Post Office, it's that he provides us with one of the best arguments AGAINST gov't run health care -- JUST COMPARE THE P.O. WITH UPS AND FedEx AS OBAMA DOES. Do we really want life & death issues decided by the kind of bureaucrats who brought us the Post Office?

This video should be run, re-run, and re-re-run in ads that include slogans like:

STAMP OUT GOV'T-RUN HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE MEANS NO FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL BE 2ND CLASS

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WAY TOO FAR

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: THEY CAN SIGN IT AND SEAL IT, BUT CAN THEY DELIVER IT?

WITH GOV'T RUN HEALTH CARE WE'LL ALL END UP P.O.'ed.

etc

Morry| 8.11.09 @ 9:06PM

The article misses the more important point. It's not the "Ooops!" of dissing the Post Office, it's that he provides us with one of the best arguments AGAINST gov't run health care -- JUST COMPARE THE P.O. WITH UPS AND FedEx AS OBAMA DOES. Do we really want life & death issues decided by the kind of bureaucrats who brought us the Post Office?

This video should be run, re-run, and re-re-run in ads that include slogans like:

STAMP OUT GOV'T-RUN HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE MEANS NO FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL BE 2ND CLASS

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WAY TOO FAR

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: THEY CAN SIGN IT AND SEAL IT, BUT CAN THEY DELIVER IT?

WITH GOV'T RUN HEALTH CARE WE'LL ALL END UP P.O.'ed.

etc

Morry| 8.11.09 @ 9:07PM

The article misses the more important point. It's not the "Ooops!" of dissing the Post Office, it's that he provides us with one of the best arguments AGAINST gov't run health care -- JUST COMPARE THE P.O. WITH UPS AND FedEx AS OBAMA DOES. Do we really want life & death issues decided by the kind of bureaucrats who brought us the Post Office?

This video should be run, re-run, and re-re-run in ads that include slogans like:

STAMP OUT GOV'T-RUN HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE MEANS NO FIRST CLASS HEALTH CARE

GOV'T HEALTH CARE WILL BE 2ND CLASS

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: PUSHING THE ENVELOPE WAY TOO FAR

GOV'T HEALTH CARE: THEY CAN SIGN IT AND SEAL IT, BUT CAN THEY DELIVER IT?

WITH GOV'T RUN HEALTH CARE WE'LL ALL END UP P.O.'ed.

etc

Want the Truth| 8.11.09 @ 9:14PM

The President is not giving us the entire picture when he says you can keep your private insurance. You can. He just doesn't tell it all. (Not unusual) On page 16, the bill clearly states that as of the day the bill becomes law, no new private insurance policies can be written. This means if you change jobs or want to change insurance, you must go on the public plan. In a few years or less there will not be any private insurance companies .... and oh by the way all those people will be out of jobs. The administration will then have the single payer system they want and more control of our lives than we need or want.

Karen| 8.11.09 @ 9:15PM

Post Office, Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Fanny May, Freddie Mac, IRS, 2008 TARP, 2009 Stimulous, Congress itself - you tell me one Government run program that isn't in a financial mess; full of fraud, waste, and abuse (admitted by VP Biden on National television); and doesn't have it's own government beuracracy the taxpayers have to pay for. These examples alone should scare everyone away from a Government-run health insurance plan.

For those of you that have heard that this plan won't affect those on Tricare (per Rep Gifford, AZ during a telephone town hall ), you might want to know that currently as soon as you are eligible for Medicare you can no longer keep your Tricare policy, thus with this bill decimating Medicare, it will eventually affect even Tricare policy holders.

And to think I've paid into Medicare and Social Security for the last 35 years - now thanks to our Government's fraud, waste and abuse (welfare, medical, education, prosecution, detention, loan defaults, etc. for illegal immigrants; pork projects, uneccessary Congressional travel at taxpayers' expense, etc.), it looks like I won't get any of the benefits I've paid for all these years when I'm eligible in 10 years.

Dr. Al | 8.11.09 @ 9:20PM

There are a few bloggers who have posted here that support the hypothesis that there are actually people with single digit IQ's amongst the living. Proof, even given the constant display of intellectual vacancy exhibited by the impostor in chief, these reprobates are still buying swamp land!

cidgrad| 8.11.09 @ 9:27PM

Hey Johnboy, I am a middle age cardiologist and I plan on taking early retirement if our commie prez gets his way. I did not endue 14 years of hard work to be obama's boy and draw a government pay check. Hope the leftist congress brushes up on their CPR - I (and many of my buds) wont be around to administer it.

Teacher10258| 8.11.09 @ 9:31PM

John isn't alone, he has enough Zombie Democrats with him that they could elect an idiot for president. Poor John and his brain dead cohorts have to believe everything O says or they will lose face. It's pointless to argue with a Dem because they can't think on their own.

Nick in Virginia| 8.11.09 @ 9:36PM

Hey John,

This is one of those right-wing idiots who has taken the page-paragraph references by those opposed to 0bama's health-care plan and looked them up against the 1,000+ page bill.

Virtually all of the complaints are valid. Phrases like "death panel" might not come literally from the bill, but all you have to do is connect the dots, and that's exactly what we'll get. But if you would rather put your life in the hands of people like 0bama, Chris Matthews, Keith Olbermann, etc., be my guest.

The big question is: How can ANYONE support this bill, when they don't know what is in it? You should be thanking us "right-wing nuts" for tearing this thing apart, because you left-wing nuts are going to get your day before the "death panels" just like we right-wingers. Only the elite will be able to avoid it. We "regs" (as John Kerry referred to the "regular people") will be treated like the dirt that 0bama and the rest of the Democrats think we are.

Health care reform is a desirable goal, but this bill is not. Tear it up and start all over again; as Jesse Jackson said about welfare reform back during the Clinton administration, "mend it, don't end it". So here's a suggestion: most everyone agrees there are 2 major problems with today's system: carrying over coverage for "existing conditions" when you change policies, and the cost of the policy premiums. Why not address those issues, instead of ripping up the whole system?

Odanneyboy| 8.11.09 @ 9:36PM

Dear Obots your fraud god is toast. No longer is he the savior of the world but a simpleton getting in deep waters with the masses of freedom loving Americans. We Don't Want His Marxist control over everyone of our lives!!! Call us names call us un-America but four fingers point back when your pointing the one. I will consider that a majority. Obama the usurper is now being exposed for just that. A usurper con man Chicago thug that if finally he gaffes to tell the truth we are astounded that the teleprompter slipped it in.

Alan| 8.11.09 @ 9:49PM

the bammer is some kinda idiot just no doubt about it
bammer's senator's gone in 2010 bammer's senator's gone in 2010 bammer's senators gone in 2010
bammer gone in 2013 bammer gone in 2013 bammer gone in 2013 keep it up guys
bammer gone in 2013 bammer gone in 2013

Dan| 8.11.09 @ 9:55PM

Lets see the Govt is not going to hurt private insurers, I mean look at how UPS and Fedex outshines the Post Office.
Gee that makes me feel better.
Seems like when Obama get away from the old teleprompter he folds like a cheap lawn chair.

Frank Caffrey| 8.11.09 @ 9:56PM

I was fire 10 years ago from the Post Office when I had back surgery. I was on FMLA, my stupervisor said I was using FMLA due to my "incarceration", she didn't know how to spell "incapacitation". No lie. I got my job back 20 months later, no back pay. I filed EEO, lost because I am not a member of a group or minority that has "historically" been discriminated against"...sorry, I'm a white guy. I was fired again this year because I broke my ankle. I applied for time off using FMLA again, but was fired 5 days later for not having medical documentation. The law says I get 15 days to submit it. Try to find a lawyer who will fight the government. You can't. I say leave it to UPS and FedEx, they promote for brains, not quotas.

toneyal| 8.11.09 @ 10:08PM

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toneyal| 8.11.09 @ 10:11PM

Read the FREE e-book on www.sapssign.com

This is how the federal health care will happen.
Is "swine flu" the current step?

Postal Rage| 8.11.09 @ 10:19PM

First of all, it's not the "post office," it's the Postal Service. A post office is one office. I thought Obama was a "scholar."

Secondly, the Postal Service gets NO tax money. All of its revenue is generated by the products it sells. And the products are not the problem, it's the government interference. The government controls the price to the point that the Postal Service can't make any money. The Postal Service has been shrinking in size, spending, and waste for years, but the bureaucrats control the price customers pay, how much money we have to keep in escrow, etc. and the stinking unions won't let us fire employees that can't do their jobs.

...and then the same bureaucrats tell the USPS to "compete." Obama does make his case accidentally. The government can't compete - even when it controls the price, the service, and the product.

I just wonder how the unions will spin his comments since they are in the back pockets of the Democrats (always support them and rally for them) and have been for years...

The two biggest reasons American businesses can't make money: Unions and Democrats!

But that's no surpise...

BLUJKTS| 8.11.09 @ 10:25PM

BO is a complete idiot... also loving how Hillary is a complete waste too. Once BO is done she'll be out of the picture too! LOL !!!

mywillyboy| 8.11.09 @ 10:26PM

Hey; John and warpublican ???
you must be two of the"BRAIN DEAD,AIR HEADS" who said,QUOTE:"I be votin fo heeeem
cuz him be black"!!!!!! OHHH YEA-YA
Boy have you mentally deficient fruit-loops got an awakening coming!!!

willyboy| 8.11.09 @ 10:36PM

I just finished my comment and was scrolling back to top.I glanced to the right of my screen
and here is a picture of plozie,polsee,palozy--
whatever-(it ain't that important)DAMN!!!
she/he/it looks like she/he/it just sat on one of those cacti that looks like a huge prickly finger!!
Those lib/dem/socialists got some UGG_LEE
looking females.

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Dan| 8.11.09 @ 10:42PM

Postal, I agree with you. If the bureaucrats and politicians have made a mess of the Postal Service. Then why should we expect better results with govt. run healthcare.
Don't want to wish my life away, but I'm ready for the 2010 elections!

dqave| 8.11.09 @ 11:01PM

Omama should be tarred and feathered just like they did long time ago and rode out on a rail. it was done in texas for a long time and it works really well, Long live The Republic Of Texas. /Down with the Govt and its crooks and liars

Don S| 8.12.09 @ 12:40AM

This is only the second issue that I ever got involved with. Now I am sorry I did. I understand differences of view. I certainly do not agree with much of how President Obama is "fixing" things. I didn't agree with many of the things President Bush did either. All of this vitriol is pretty sickening and certainly does nothing to make things better. LIAR LIAR LIAR does not fuel debate, only inflames it.

J.C. from S.Carolina| 8.12.09 @ 12:47AM

Don't you stupid liberals understand. We are all going to suffer along with children that aren't even born yet. I'll accept the healthcare plan if you agree for all politicians to go under the same plan. Also no more free rides for our nation's so-called political leaders. Didn't you notice that B.O. did more campaigning out of this country than in it. Tell me Why? I agree with B.O. on one statement he made. "We are moving out of the recession." BUT......... right smack dab into a major DEPRESSION. Politicians are elected by us. So, since they can't handle it, let's vote them out. "Let's Tell them that WE want to vote one this stupid bill." It's time to stop talking and start telling the leaders in D.C. that we put them there and we can vote them out as well. It's time to stop talking and start doing things about this mess. One more thing......Unemployment!!!!!!
The rate of % of unemployment only shows the percent that is still drawing money....NOT the people which is actually unemployed and losing everything they own. I am a disabled Vet But I still was born, raised and fought for this Country. I love this Country. Please People...let's keep it The UNITED STATES of AMERICA and not The Union of Socialist America. "GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! "

J.C. from S.Carolina| 8.12.09 @ 12:56AM

Don't you stupid liberals understand. We are all going to suffer along with children that aren't even born yet. I'll accept the healthcare plan if you agree for all politicians to go under the same plan. Also no more free rides for our nation's so-called political leaders. Didn't you notice that B.O. did more campaigning out of this country than in it. Tell me Why? I agree with B.O. on one statement he made. "We are moving out of the recession." BUT......... right smack dab into a major DEPRESSION. Politicians are elected by us. So, since they can't handle it, let's vote them out. "Let's Tell them that WE want to vote one this stupid bill." It's time to stop talking and start telling the leaders in D.C. that we put them there and we can vote them out as well. It's time to stop talking and start doing things about this mess. One more thing......Unemployment!!!!!!
The rate of % of unemployment only shows the percent that is still drawing money....NOT the people which is actually unemployed and losing everything they own. I am a disabled Vet But I still was born, raised and fought for this Country. I love this Country. Please People...let's keep it The UNITED STATES of AMERICA and not The Union of Socialist America. "GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!! "

Baker| 8.12.09 @ 12:57AM

Hey all U rightwing nuts, be nice to John and Warpublican cuz if Obama gets his way those two will be the first ones to get axed!!! Obamascare will delete anyone who can't be productive to the dems society, u know, the elderly, the really young and the mentally handicapped!!!

marc| 8.12.09 @ 1:01AM

the government would drive out the private insurers because it's the only entity that never has to turn a profit

WiseGal| 8.12.09 @ 1:49AM

Oh, Don S. Don't you get it? WHY would you want to fuel debate with a person who does not tell the truth (the definition of liar)? [By the way, naming a behavior is NOT name-calling.]

Think about it. Seriously. What good is a "debate" with someone from whom you can't believe a word that is coming out of his mouth in this so-called "debate"? You cannot debate with people like this. Everything they say is just words, mean nothing, and they can't even remember what they said. They just need it to "sound good". It has NOTHING to do with what they actually intend to do. So why would we want to fuel more "words" from Obama and his minions? THEY ARE JUST WORDS. I think we've heard enough.

Maybe someone should tell Obama and his minions that WHAT THEY DO SPEAKS SO LOUD, WE CAN'T HEAR A WORD THEY SAY!

deals| 8.12.09 @ 2:52AM

The gaffe arose from the inherent contradiction of those arguing for the introduction of a government government-run plan.

Pat| 8.12.09 @ 3:59AM

I saw a note from John at 5:09 calling conservatives idiots for believing the news media that doesn't lie. It is quite apparent that he hasn't taken the time to read this horror story bill. I thought it was bad until I started reading it, now there is no doubt what a travisty it is. This is a bill brought to you from a guy who doesn't know who runs the USPS.

Pat| 8.12.09 @ 4:24AM

When reading his bill I saw on page 203, "The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as a tax". Typical double talk by our loving president Osama Obama. It really does say that.

Rob| 8.12.09 @ 6:06AM

Obama is a liar.

NOBAMA!

Lizzie Parella| 8.12.09 @ 6:32AM

Would Obama want a do-over? LOL Comparing the proposed healthcare plan to the Post Office is prescient! Why mess up the healthcare plans for 70 to 80 percent of the public with a new plan to cover less than 20 percent (and it is less than 20 percent, as illegal aliens would have healthcare; counted in the uninsured are those who have OPTED NOT to have healthcare in the first place...which is a matter of free choice; and many have not signed up for EXISTING health benefits the government offers through Medicare, Medicaid, SCHIP, etc.!!). Is THIS what we want from our government? More entitlements??? More debt??? Come on folks, call your representatives...call AARP...be civil and polite, but get your message across. IT'S WORKING...THE PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OUT ABOUT THEIR DISSATISFACTION WITH THE WAY THE COUNTRY IS GOING...KEEP IT UP!!

Jim Mason| 8.12.09 @ 7:38AM

In reference to the competition between UPS, FedEx and the Post Office, Obama said, "it's the post office that's always having problems."

So why don’t you go fix the post office instead of creating another problem?

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Barbara Barrs| 8.12.09 @ 8:19AM

Mr. Obama: Fix it--PRIVATIZE IT! Works every time!

Thingumbob| 8.12.09 @ 9:05AM

Let's see if I get the Obamacide healthcare bill rationale correct: Insurance companies are rationing healthcare. Rationing healthcare leads to people unnecessarily ill or dead. That's evil. The oversight board set up by the healthcare legislation will have the final say on appropriate coverage for patients. That means rationing (or "triage", if you prefer). Now the government can take over from the greedy insurance companies that are causing patients to go without healthcare. In the current budgetary crisis we must have a major cutbacks on healthcare costs. Why? Because we are spending trillions to bailout too big to fail banks (e.g. Goldman Sachs)and insurance companies' (viz. AIG)gambling debts (AKA derivative securities.) Therefore I believe now our liberal government under Obama wants to be brought into the business of doing evil liberally in its own right. Bravo!

Jenny Bea| 8.12.09 @ 9:17AM

Hey all- you should stop trying to reason and get "John" to see that we're all informed people- we all read the bill... we don't go on sound bites from Fox News... John was probably paid by Moveon.org, or the ad in the Craig's list, to post here and argue with people. Just like everyone else at a town hall meeting that supports this socialized crap. They really are paid- while they accuse us.

I think the time is long gone for trying to get people to see how bad this is. They don't care to see- they don't care to agree, and by negotiating with them, we weaken our positions. Stand up, speak free and be unafraid. And read the bill. (There's more in there than you might think!!!- and it's all bad)

I am reminded of the campaign trail when Obama was poking fun at people critical of his ideas... to paraphrase, he said, "Some people think my ideas on healthcare may seem socialistic..." The thing is, guys, he NEVER DENIED IT. All he did was try to take the scary sound away from it.

Don S| 8.12.09 @ 10:05AM

Oh Wisegal. I get it all right. I get that the only challenge that we could pit against Obama for the Presidency was McCain with Palin. I don't fault Obama for getting elected; I blame the Republicans for not presenting a strong candidate to challenge him. I am not as politically astute as most of you so I will never win a debate on politics, but I do know that I don't trust Republicans or Democrats on everything. The joke about "how do you tell when a POLITICIAN is lying, When His Lips Move", doesn't differentiate between parties.

Antonia| 8.12.09 @ 10:12AM

Yes, the U.S. Postal Service is always in trouble, yet the private entities -UPS and Fed-Ex- are doing just fine. It follows, Mr. President, that Public Health care will always be in trouble and private health insurance will always do well. Does he realize he's burying himself?

Bob| 8.12.09 @ 11:10AM

Hey John
Sorry I got my objections to OBAMMY Care by reading it, unlike you who got your information from the DUMBOCRATS. Find someone that can read the bill to you them you will object

GoldTracker| 8.12.09 @ 11:45AM

I saw that when he was giving the speech and about fell out of my chair. Unbelieveable admission. The logical conclusion then is to let private industry solve the problem.

But of course that is in no way the goal of our government.

Bob | 8.12.09 @ 12:02PM

Of course he's right, a public plan cannot compete with a private one PROVIDED IT'S NOT SUBSIDIZED BY THE GOVT. All I have to say is READ THE BILL MR. PREZ. The bill does structure the system where public insured only pay 60% and private insurers pick up the tab for the rest. So if a medical service cost $1000, someone with a public option pays $600 of that. The other $400 has to be added to the bill of people with private insurance.

Ethan| 8.12.09 @ 12:55PM

Oh come on now guys, I'm sure when Obama cited the Postal Service, he really meant to compare the health care overhaul with one of those government-run programs that actually worked efficiently.

you know, like Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, TARP '08, Stimulus '09, the DMV, unemployment compensation, etc...

BigEdsBlog| 8.12.09 @ 2:07PM

Obamacare will be just like the post office, long lines and shitty service. However, there is one major difference between the two. If the post office screws up, little Johnny doesn’t get grandma’s birthday card she sent him. If Obamacare screws up, you die.
Chack out my take, and stick around for more good content.
http://libertarianhumor.com/2009/08/12/obama-post-office/

dale scheihing| 8.12.09 @ 2:10PM

please dont belittle john for his condamnation of common sense. after all he was at this website. why???????

dale scheihing| 8.12.09 @ 2:10PM

please dont belittle john for his condamnation of common sense. after all he was at this website. why???????

Daniel Vaughn| 8.12.09 @ 2:40PM

When is someone going to ask these politicians at these 'town meetings' the important question??
Are all Politicians going to be included in this so called Healthcare reform ?
If Not, WHY ? They are certainly NOT better than the average American. As a matter of fact...they are supposed to be 'working for us' The American Citizen Voter.
DJV

Valerie Hosfeld| 8.12.09 @ 2:59PM

Isn't it time we quit playing the game and take back America? Our entire government is corrupt! Let's take back America. Please view: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuz_m3SIARs

David Gerard| 8.12.09 @ 4:57PM

I think of Obama's plan and I think of this image: http://is.gd/2dYxi

Colby| 8.12.09 @ 6:36PM

Dear John| 8.11.09 @ 5:09PM,

As soon as you stop being a Left Wing Lemming watching CBS and NBC

Bill Huddleston| 8.13.09 @ 6:31PM

Here is my proposed Health Care Bill. It's not 1000 pages, not 500 not even two pages. Just one sentence. The Citizens of America shall receive the same Health Care Benefits as those passed by the United States Congress for themselves.
>
> I think everyone can understand that.

Now Congess, pass any bill you want.
>

Bill Huddleston| 8.14.09 @ 1:53AM

Here is my proposed Health Care Bill. It's not 1000 pages, not 500 not even two pages. Just one sentence. The Citizens of America shall receive the same Health Care Benefits as those passed by the United States Congress for themselves.
>
> I think everyone can understand that.

Now Congess, pass any bill you want.
>

Don S| 8.18.09 @ 4:01PM

Why is everyone trashing the Postal Service? I used to be a contractor for them. Most of them are the hardest workers you have ever seen. Of course they have some slackers and incompetents, just like most everyone on this blog that knows someone within their company, or looks inward; not to mention the Executive Branch of our Government. Fact is, if everyone trashing the Post Office, including President Obama, his cronies, and those of you on this site had an inkling of what it takes to get your mail and the actual costs involved with the restrictions put on the Postal Service by those criticizing them, you would thank every Postal employee that you come in contact with. Gas goes up, unions control everything, congress jerks them around, the President trashes them and most everyone on this site pay's their bills on line and has taken away business from the Post Office in the name of technology. Either support them or quit bitching about them. You can't have it both ways.

Group Health Insurance Plan| 8.19.09 @ 2:55AM

I supposed that they had to implement reforms that can really help us and has a public options so it will be very worth for every people ...

Nursing continuing education| 8.19.09 @ 8:32AM

I am entering my junior year of undergrad and picked up this blog while I was browsing a for information related medics. I m pretty set on going to med school but of course have my doubts which some of them is answered here..

John Hillen| 8.19.09 @ 2:17PM

The single payer plan is the only way to move forward at this point; when Congress returns and the smoke clears I hope that common sense makes a return. Health care costs are rising rapidly, litigation is preventing our MD's from doing their job, our nation isn't as healthy as it could be in spite of the fact that we're the wealthiest nation on earth... We need to bite the bullet on this one.

gaetano| 8.26.09 @ 10:54AM

hey john,we can listen to fox anytime we want to,and we really don`t give a shit about this stupid health bill that Van Jones put together.Besides Your big smart demobots don`t need or care about our votes,so whats your problem? Your chicken shit party don`t want to pass the bill because they know they will have to take the blame when it fails. Then you will lose the next election if you last that long.We republicans,say "go for it". You may learn some truths about the idiot you voted for if maybe you would take you head out of your ass and watch fox once in a while.What do you think?