In what shouldn't come as a surprise, the New York Times
editorializes today in favor of a government-run option as
part of the overhaul of the health care system. The argument is
typical of the type of reasoning that you'd expect from the Times
-- for instance, it suggests that the so-called "public option"
be modeled after Medicare, then notes: "A public plan might do a
better job of slowing the growth of health care costs, although
Medicare has not been notably successful in that regard."
The key mistake the Times makes in the editorial is to
perpetuate this idea that Americans would actually be given a
"choice" over whether to have government or private insurance.
But if it is open to all employers, then many businesses would
simply choose to dump their employees onto the government plan.
Since
about 64 percent of covered Americans obtain their insurance
through their employers, many Americans would effectively be left
with no choice but to enroll. The Lewin Group report I
noted yesterday found that if a public plan were created, the
number of people with private insurance would shrink by
two-thirds, or 119.1 million people.
"But if it is open to all employers, then many businesses would
simply choose to dump their employees onto the government plan."
So take it up with your employer.
I really don't get the wingnut opposition to this plan. If you
don't like the government plan stick with the plan you have. It's
that simple.
After all we cover everyone now. Just ask George Bush. All one
needs to do is go to the emergency room. It's just horribly
inefficient and costly.
This is an attempt to cut costs. And I think it's an excellent
start.
And it just tickles the hell out of me that the wingnuts fear the
government plan will be so much cheaper. Tell me, what is wrong
with that? You can still but all the private insurance that you
want.
JHarpIsATroll| 4.7.09 @ 2:05PM
We're really getting sick of your BS, jharp. You lie and lie and
lie and then lie some more. A govt. healthcare 'option' isn't a
real choice at all because it would crowd out everything else.
Admit you're a fascist.
Bob| 4.7.09 @ 2:22PM
So let me get this straight. If both companies and individuals
choose to go to a plan because it is less expensive, that is
somehow not market based? Are you saying that private insurers
cannot compete with a government run system? I thought most of
you believed the government couldn't run anything efficiently. If
that is true, then people will go back to regular insurance
companies. Isn't that the way the market works?
You guys are beginning to sound a lot like libs. You are afraid
something might work and want to legislate against it. If
businesses think they will be more competitive this way, then
clearly this would increase the number of jobs and lower prices.
Isn't that good for the economy?
I don't understand the logic of your arguments. As long as this
isn't mandated and YOU have a choice, let the games begin.
Bob| 4.7.09 @ 4:00PM
Troll -- perhaps you can explain why it is a false choice. Your
position is based on ideology and fear, not reason and
pragmatism. I'll bet you didn't even consider the positive effect
it may have on business.
Personally, I don't know if it will work. However, we need to do
something to lower the cost of health care in this country before
all of the manufacturing jobs leave and the unemployment rate
jumps even higher.
jharp| 4.7.09 @ 12:27PM
"But if it is open to all employers, then many businesses would simply choose to dump their employees onto the government plan."
So take it up with your employer.
I really don't get the wingnut opposition to this plan. If you don't like the government plan stick with the plan you have. It's that simple.
After all we cover everyone now. Just ask George Bush. All one needs to do is go to the emergency room. It's just horribly inefficient and costly.
This is an attempt to cut costs. And I think it's an excellent start.
And it just tickles the hell out of me that the wingnuts fear the government plan will be so much cheaper. Tell me, what is wrong with that? You can still but all the private insurance that you want.
JHarpIsATroll| 4.7.09 @ 2:05PM
We're really getting sick of your BS, jharp. You lie and lie and lie and then lie some more. A govt. healthcare 'option' isn't a real choice at all because it would crowd out everything else. Admit you're a fascist.
Bob| 4.7.09 @ 2:22PM
So let me get this straight. If both companies and individuals choose to go to a plan because it is less expensive, that is somehow not market based? Are you saying that private insurers cannot compete with a government run system? I thought most of you believed the government couldn't run anything efficiently. If that is true, then people will go back to regular insurance companies. Isn't that the way the market works?
You guys are beginning to sound a lot like libs. You are afraid something might work and want to legislate against it. If businesses think they will be more competitive this way, then clearly this would increase the number of jobs and lower prices. Isn't that good for the economy?
I don't understand the logic of your arguments. As long as this isn't mandated and YOU have a choice, let the games begin.
Bob| 4.7.09 @ 4:00PM
Troll -- perhaps you can explain why it is a false choice. Your position is based on ideology and fear, not reason and pragmatism. I'll bet you didn't even consider the positive effect it may have on business.
Personally, I don't know if it will work. However, we need to do something to lower the cost of health care in this country before all of the manufacturing jobs leave and the unemployment rate jumps even higher.