Dave Weigel has a piece about how wealthy Republican donors,
especially those in the Club for Growth crowd, are starting to
look at Mark Sanford as their potential 2012 candidate in
reaction to his consistent defense of limited government and
principled stands against the bailouts, the stimulus package, and
other aspects of Washington's economic agenda. Especially
interesting is that Sanford has the potential to tap into the
grassroots Ron Paul fundraising network, which amassed a $35
million war chest in 2008.
Weigel reports:
Paul and Sanford had been friendly when both men served in the
House, said Paul’s spokesman Jesse Benton, the congressman’s
grandson-in-law. “If Dr. Paul voted no on a bill and Sanford
voted yes,” said Benton, “Sanford would come up to Dr. Paul
afterward and talk it over. He would give a thoughtful
consideration to why he’d voted the other way.”
According to Benton, Sanford is one of the only Republicans
Paul might outright endorse if he ran for president—and if Paul
doesn’t mount his own bid. “He’s the type of candidate that Dr.
Paul could get excited about,” said Benton. “A lot of the
people from our movement could find a lot to like in Mark
Sanford.”
One of the biggest questions affecting Sanford's chances in 2012
is how he'll navigate foreign policy issues. In a recent
American Conservativeprofile,
Sanford said he was against preemtive war. In 1998, he didn't
vote for the resoltion making regime change in Iraq official U.S.
policy. Should he run, GOP rivals won't be able to attack him on
economic or social issues, so they'll try to pin him as weak on
national security. How he responds to those charges will
determine whether he can cobble together a coalition of Paul
supporters and mainstream Republicans. Should Sanford respond to
attacks on his foreign policy views by explaining away his past
stands and offering hawkish rhetoric, he'll alienate the Paul
crowd, whereas if he takes his views on non-intervention as far
as Paul did, he risks losing support among the rest of the party.
Of course, much of this will depend on what issues are important
two to three years from now. Right now, foreign policy issues are
taking a back seat to size of government issues among
conservatives. If this continues to be the case, it will be
easier for Sanford to skate by similarly to the way Bush did in
2000 -- present himself as somebody who wants a strong military
but opposes nation building. However, by the time the primaries
roll around, the world may look a lot different, and a terrorist
attack or another international crisis will make foreign policy
and national security issues much more important in the GOP
primaries. Under those circumstances, it would be difficult for
Sanford to unite the Paulites with the rest of the party, because
the ideological divisions are simply too great between
non-interventionist conservatives and those who support an
agressive military response to security threats. If Sanford sides
with the Paulites, he risks being seen as a softie by the rest of
the party, and yet if he sides with the rest of the party,
Paulites will see him as another bellicose neocon. But if he does
find a way to navigate national security issues and manages to
build a broad coalition of limited government voters, then he'll
be a very formidable candidate, especially in New Hampshire.
conservatives are against big government foreign policy.
Republicans will wake up to that only after our foreign policy
has bankrupted the country and a million have died. Pathetic. RP
supporters will not support anyone "navigating" an issue. Stand
on principle, Sanford, and you'll be unstoppable. Mainstream
republicans change with the wind; they'll listen.
"because the ideological divisions are simply too great between
non-interventionist conservatives and those who support an
aggressive military response to security threats."
I have been trying to figure out a way for these two sides to
come together, but like you, I just don't see it. Either
non-interventionism is going to overtake interventionism or it
will remain a vocal minority. There really is very little middle
ground. Foreign policy realism maybe, but its presumptions are
still internationalist. Look at Iran and Georgia. The responses
of each side are poles apart.
Interventionism isn't just a policy; it is a mindset that results
in essentially knee-jerk, formulaic responses. This explains why
the interventionists see the non-interventionists as "weak" or
"softies." It is an emotional response. I have never been
convinced that the rank-and-file buy the whole neoconservative
grand scheme. Their support for war is primarily a carry over
from the Cold War and the conservatism that developed in response
to the excesses of the 60's. Supporting wars and aggressive
intervention is just what conservatives are supposed to do.
Protesting wars is what long haired radicals who need to take a
bath do. But just one generation before, it was the level headed
conservatives who wanted to keep us out of war and the liberal
internationalists guided by their grand visions who wanted to
entangle us. Which policy is the more intuitively conservative
seems obvious to me.
But as we approach 2012, the more it becomes obvious that we are
broke, the more people are going to realize that we just can't
afford to police the world. I think a lot of interventionists are
going to drift toward a realism that is almost a de facto
non-interventionism. Aggressive interventionism is becoming
almost prima facie untenable for a country that can’t pay its
bills.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 3:05PM
If Sanford runs he'll get the nomination. New Hampshire is made
for him and South Carolina follows. As for being attacked by his
rivals on foreign policy he just has to say he's against big
government at home and abroad. We don't need to police the world
which was the traditional Conservative position before Bush and
the NeoCons. Time to throw the Weekly Standard crowd over the
cliff.
Gov. Sanford's Achille's heel is employment. Since he has been
governor, SC has ranked in the top three or four states for
unemployment. While there are legitimate issues beyond his
control for this, he has done little to address those instead
focusing on lowering taxes, private school tax credits, and
limiting government. While that may excite the Club for Growth,
other GOP governors will eat his lunch.
Gene Corrigan| 3.23.09 @ 5:06PM
There is a resolution of the non-er and interventionist
positions...go beyond intervention to bring protectorates into
the United States. There is a resolution to the inability to
afford world policing: charge for it. Tax as new states of " the
United States of the World" those nations which request our aid
or are falling under regimes hostile to our interests. No world
power ever conquered enemies and -- rather than taxing them
heavily -- poured aid upon them like the Marshall Plan and
subsequent free market policy. This is not neo-, it's real
American conservatism in the Teddy Roosevelt school. And, it's a
winning position for Mark in 2012.
yoikes| 3.23.09 @ 5:19PM
Sanford supported McCain not Paul in 2008.
Sanford attended the 2008 Bilderberg meeting and downplayed the
influence of the attendees.
Search youtube.
I can see why people want to attract the financial support of Ron
Paul's backers, but I can't see why they would give it to
Sanford.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 5:52PM
Before the South Carolina Primary Sanford didn't endorse anyone.
The hideous Lindsay Graham went to the South Carolina Governor
asking him to endorse the Straight Jacket Express Juan McCain
saying McCain would put him on the short list for Veep. Sanford
fired back he doesn't need to endorse anyone to be on a short
list.
yoikes| 3.23.09 @ 6:20PM
But Sanford did ultimately support McCain in 2008.
Tom in Alabama| 3.23.09 @ 6:22PM
Mark Sanford is just another in the long line of
southern/regional "states righters" in the mold of Strom
Thurmond, Jesse Helms and George Wallace. Sanford will no doubt
be an impact player in the GOP but the rest of the country has
had enough redneck style polarizing politics.
Dolly| 3.23.09 @ 8:03PM
The far right may like Sanford, but any thinking person would
look at his record as Gov. and know that he is the worst Gov.
SC's history. It is laughable that he would make anyone's short
list.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 8:49PM
The Cato Institute gave Governor Sanford an {A} rating for his
fiscal report card. One of only 3 Governors to get an A. So
Dolly, methinks you're clueless.
Paul from Pendleton| 3.23.09 @ 9:24PM
William R, Sanford rates a "D" according to the Pendleton
Institue. Methinks, William, maybe you are clueless.
I really doubt Lindsey Graham would have begged Sanford for a
McCain endorsement in 2008. Considering some of Graham's best
buds were on the Sanford "hit list"
Sanford has gotten bogged down with petty party politics and
meanwhile....nothing worth noting has been done by the governor
in this state, see Unemployed for quote.
Sanford's land deals while in office were questionable in my
book. He should have worked harder on bringing in Industry and
ironing out the Port issues.
...and believe me, I wanted to like the guy. The governors words
compared to his actions....ring very hollow.
Sanford is not Veep or Peep or Gov material...try city council
member for ISLE of Palms.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 9:40PM
Well the Pendleton report is for knuckle draggers.
Though he had endorsed John McCain in 2000, Sanford stayed out of
the Republican contest in 2008. Two days before the primary, Sen.
Lindsey Graham was dispatched to Sanford’s office with a plea and
an offer. Graham told Sanford that an endorsement from the
popular governor could put McCain over the top in the key primary
state. In return, he promised a spot on McCain’s veep shortlist.
Sanford responded cooly, “I don’t need your help getting on the
shortlist” and declined.
Mark Sanford is the "best" governor South Carolina has had in my
humble opinion since I returned home in our great state of south
carolina twenty eight years ago!
Many dealings with Governor Sanford have only encourage me to say
thanks, Mark!
A state needs less federal intervention.
How about the re-application of the 9th & 10th amendments.
Save our republic!
Davis, D| 3.24.09 @ 12:00PM
Sanford is Jiminy Cricket. SC Legislature is Pinocchio. Pinocchio
and his friend are picked up in a wagon by men promising to take
them to a place of fun and frolic. No work, no school, no chores,
no parents. All cake, candy, and fun in this promised utopia. The
drivers of this wagon to a land of hedonism is Obama, Pelosi, and
Reid. When Pinocchio and the boys arrive at the “promised land,”
they suddenly begin to change to Donkeys (what a hoot, donkeys).
They are now slaves to the wagon driver.
There is no free ride. Someone is going to pay. SC legislature,
please don’t sell you constituents into slavery.
Thank God for Mark Sanford! The only sane person left in
Columbia.
yoikes| 3.24.09 @ 12:45PM
Mark Sanford wrote an article in support of John McCain on
15-March-2008, when Ron Paul was still running for the GOP
Presidential candidate nomination:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120553936399438277.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
So, Sanford endorsed McCain over Paul. Paul did not endorse
McCain but instead endorsed Chuck Baldwin.
Obama and McCain both voted for H R 1424 Emergency Economic
Stabilization Act of 2008, also known as the bailout bill. Paul
voted against it.
You can try to make over Mark Sanford as a Ron Paul Republican,
but I'm not buying into the Mark Sanford revolution.
Dolly| 3.28.09 @ 3:05PM
Just because some right wing Institute gives him an A, only gives
my comment more importance. The man is clueless, not me. By the
way, want to buy a nice mansion by the sea?
Rhett| 4.5.09 @ 11:01AM
Sanford is a Libertarian Pary ideologue in a Republican Party
mask. The revolution will be one against him if he tries a run at
President. He is Darwinian in his attitude about government. Cut
eveything and leave every person on their own, promote corporate
socialism, oppose social security, do away with Medicare, oppose
support for public education, support private school tuition tax
credits, eliminate environmental regulations, and trust everyone
to do what's right. His attitude also fits well with his dodging
Air Force Reserve call up for Iraq or Afghanistan related duty.
CD| 3.23.09 @ 12:54PM
conservatives are against big government foreign policy. Republicans will wake up to that only after our foreign policy has bankrupted the country and a million have died. Pathetic. RP supporters will not support anyone "navigating" an issue. Stand on principle, Sanford, and you'll be unstoppable. Mainstream republicans change with the wind; they'll listen.
Red Phillips| 3.23.09 @ 1:12PM
"because the ideological divisions are simply too great between non-interventionist conservatives and those who support an aggressive military response to security threats."
I have been trying to figure out a way for these two sides to come together, but like you, I just don't see it. Either non-interventionism is going to overtake interventionism or it will remain a vocal minority. There really is very little middle ground. Foreign policy realism maybe, but its presumptions are still internationalist. Look at Iran and Georgia. The responses of each side are poles apart.
Interventionism isn't just a policy; it is a mindset that results in essentially knee-jerk, formulaic responses. This explains why the interventionists see the non-interventionists as "weak" or "softies." It is an emotional response. I have never been convinced that the rank-and-file buy the whole neoconservative grand scheme. Their support for war is primarily a carry over from the Cold War and the conservatism that developed in response to the excesses of the 60's. Supporting wars and aggressive intervention is just what conservatives are supposed to do. Protesting wars is what long haired radicals who need to take a bath do. But just one generation before, it was the level headed conservatives who wanted to keep us out of war and the liberal internationalists guided by their grand visions who wanted to entangle us. Which policy is the more intuitively conservative seems obvious to me.
But as we approach 2012, the more it becomes obvious that we are broke, the more people are going to realize that we just can't afford to police the world. I think a lot of interventionists are going to drift toward a realism that is almost a de facto non-interventionism. Aggressive interventionism is becoming almost prima facie untenable for a country that can’t pay its bills.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 3:05PM
If Sanford runs he'll get the nomination. New Hampshire is made for him and South Carolina follows. As for being attacked by his rivals on foreign policy he just has to say he's against big government at home and abroad. We don't need to police the world which was the traditional Conservative position before Bush and the NeoCons. Time to throw the Weekly Standard crowd over the cliff.
SC Southpaw| 3.23.09 @ 4:38PM
Gov. Sanford's Achille's heel is employment. Since he has been governor, SC has ranked in the top three or four states for unemployment. While there are legitimate issues beyond his control for this, he has done little to address those instead focusing on lowering taxes, private school tax credits, and limiting government. While that may excite the Club for Growth, other GOP governors will eat his lunch.
Gene Corrigan| 3.23.09 @ 5:06PM
There is a resolution of the non-er and interventionist positions...go beyond intervention to bring protectorates into the United States. There is a resolution to the inability to afford world policing: charge for it. Tax as new states of " the United States of the World" those nations which request our aid or are falling under regimes hostile to our interests. No world power ever conquered enemies and -- rather than taxing them heavily -- poured aid upon them like the Marshall Plan and subsequent free market policy. This is not neo-, it's real American conservatism in the Teddy Roosevelt school. And, it's a winning position for Mark in 2012.
yoikes| 3.23.09 @ 5:19PM
Sanford supported McCain not Paul in 2008.
Sanford attended the 2008 Bilderberg meeting and downplayed the influence of the attendees.
Search youtube.
I can see why people want to attract the financial support of Ron Paul's backers, but I can't see why they would give it to Sanford.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 5:52PM
Before the South Carolina Primary Sanford didn't endorse anyone. The hideous Lindsay Graham went to the South Carolina Governor asking him to endorse the Straight Jacket Express Juan McCain saying McCain would put him on the short list for Veep. Sanford fired back he doesn't need to endorse anyone to be on a short list.
yoikes| 3.23.09 @ 6:20PM
But Sanford did ultimately support McCain in 2008.
Tom in Alabama| 3.23.09 @ 6:22PM
Mark Sanford is just another in the long line of southern/regional "states righters" in the mold of Strom Thurmond, Jesse Helms and George Wallace. Sanford will no doubt be an impact player in the GOP but the rest of the country has had enough redneck style polarizing politics.
Dolly| 3.23.09 @ 8:03PM
The far right may like Sanford, but any thinking person would look at his record as Gov. and know that he is the worst Gov. SC's history. It is laughable that he would make anyone's short list.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 8:49PM
The Cato Institute gave Governor Sanford an {A} rating for his fiscal report card. One of only 3 Governors to get an A. So Dolly, methinks you're clueless.
Paul from Pendleton| 3.23.09 @ 9:24PM
William R, Sanford rates a "D" according to the Pendleton Institue. Methinks, William, maybe you are clueless.
I really doubt Lindsey Graham would have begged Sanford for a McCain endorsement in 2008. Considering some of Graham's best buds were on the Sanford "hit list"
Sanford has gotten bogged down with petty party politics and meanwhile....nothing worth noting has been done by the governor in this state, see Unemployed for quote.
Sanford's land deals while in office were questionable in my book. He should have worked harder on bringing in Industry and ironing out the Port issues.
...and believe me, I wanted to like the guy. The governors words compared to his actions....ring very hollow.
Sanford is not Veep or Peep or Gov material...try city council member for ISLE of Palms.
William R| 3.23.09 @ 9:40PM
Well the Pendleton report is for knuckle draggers.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/html/pa-624/pa-624index.html
William R| 3.23.09 @ 9:48PM
Though he had endorsed John McCain in 2000, Sanford stayed out of the Republican contest in 2008. Two days before the primary, Sen. Lindsey Graham was dispatched to Sanford’s office with a plea and an offer. Graham told Sanford that an endorsement from the popular governor could put McCain over the top in the key primary state. In return, he promised a spot on McCain’s veep shortlist. Sanford responded cooly, “I don’t need your help getting on the shortlist” and declined.
http://www.amconmag.com/article/2009/mar/09/00006/
AnotherMan's Opinion| 3.23.09 @ 11:11PM
Everyone has a dog in the fight!
Regardless of what you may say or think!
Who's your dog?
My Dog is a "real" JunkYard Dog!
Lots of folks don't like him! He's scrappy!
Very dependable!
Bits when necessary!
Defends his turf! I like that!
Note: His turf is the state of sc and its people!
Mark Sanford is the "best" governor South Carolina has had in my humble opinion since I returned home in our great state of south carolina twenty eight years ago!
Many dealings with Governor Sanford have only encourage me to say thanks, Mark!
A state needs less federal intervention.
How about the re-application of the 9th & 10th amendments.
Save our republic!
Davis, D| 3.24.09 @ 12:00PM
Sanford is Jiminy Cricket. SC Legislature is Pinocchio. Pinocchio and his friend are picked up in a wagon by men promising to take them to a place of fun and frolic. No work, no school, no chores, no parents. All cake, candy, and fun in this promised utopia. The drivers of this wagon to a land of hedonism is Obama, Pelosi, and Reid. When Pinocchio and the boys arrive at the “promised land,” they suddenly begin to change to Donkeys (what a hoot, donkeys). They are now slaves to the wagon driver.
There is no free ride. Someone is going to pay. SC legislature, please don’t sell you constituents into slavery.
Thank God for Mark Sanford! The only sane person left in Columbia.
yoikes| 3.24.09 @ 12:45PM
Mark Sanford wrote an article in support of John McCain on 15-March-2008, when Ron Paul was still running for the GOP Presidential candidate nomination: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120553936399438277.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
So, Sanford endorsed McCain over Paul. Paul did not endorse McCain but instead endorsed Chuck Baldwin.
Obama and McCain both voted for H R 1424 Emergency Economic Stabilization Act of 2008, also known as the bailout bill. Paul voted against it.
You can try to make over Mark Sanford as a Ron Paul Republican, but I'm not buying into the Mark Sanford revolution.
Dolly| 3.28.09 @ 3:05PM
Just because some right wing Institute gives him an A, only gives my comment more importance. The man is clueless, not me. By the way, want to buy a nice mansion by the sea?
Rhett| 4.5.09 @ 11:01AM
Sanford is a Libertarian Pary ideologue in a Republican Party mask. The revolution will be one against him if he tries a run at President. He is Darwinian in his attitude about government. Cut eveything and leave every person on their own, promote corporate socialism, oppose social security, do away with Medicare, oppose support for public education, support private school tuition tax credits, eliminate environmental regulations, and trust everyone to do what's right. His attitude also fits well with his dodging Air Force Reserve call up for Iraq or Afghanistan related duty.