The American Spectator : The Audacity of Obama's Secularism

oldfart| 2.7.12 @ 6:23AM

Dead on. In more ways than one.

Jack in Wi.| 2.7.12 @ 7:13AM

We all know Obama is a disaster for religious liberty in this country. The problem is that we are running a pro abortion Mormon who can't get out the vote to beat him. Both parties are enemies of the Constitution and all it stands for. Roe vs Wade was put on the books by 5 Republican appointed judges. The first looose abortion statutes were put on the books by Reagan in California and Rockefeller in New York. The Rockefeller, Bush, and Goldwater families have a long history in founding and supporting Unplanned Parenthood. To the upper crust of the Republican Party abortion is their secular religion.

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:08AM

Interesting that you are bigoted toward Israel, but would defend the Pro-Life position! Hmmmm!

Jack in Wi.| 2.7.12 @ 3:43PM

I am for life, peace, and justice for all people. The Muslims don't allow abortion in most of the states they control. On the other hand our Jewish brothers and sisters are in a vast majority pro-abortion. I exclude many Orthodox Jews like the Rabbi Yehuda Levin who is very pro life. The atheist Nat Hentoff is also pro life. There are others as well.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 11:10AM

I apologize for all the times I called you: Jackass.

When you're not talking about Ron Paul, I find myself agreeing with you a lot.

I hope we can let Bygones be bygones.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 11:46AM

Tim,
I wouldn't apologise for "all the times". Maybe, just a few.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 4:45PM

Agreed.

Todd S| 2.7.12 @ 12:55PM

You agree with his lie about Romney being a pro abortion Mormon? And what exactly has Ron Paul said about abortion? I thought libertarians were all for "choice"? If you want to smoke crack and get 10 abortions, that is liberty man.

TrueBlue | 2.8.12 @ 10:56AM

What lie about Romney being pro-abortion? He IS. He SAYS he's pro-life, but everything he has done throughout his political career shows that he is very pro-choice. Even made it clear he wouldn't sign any changes to the laws in Massachusetts. Sure, you COULD argue that it also meant he didn't sign any new pro-choice legislation, but it also meant he wouldn't have signed any pro-life legislation, which would make him... pro-choice (ie pro-abortion).

Jack in Wi.| 2.7.12 @ 3:48PM

Ron Paul is the only one who has a quick and Constitutional way to get rid of Roe vs Wade. He would use Article 3 section 2 of the Constitution to restrict the jurisdiction of the Federal Courts in the matter of abortion and return it to the states. It could havee been done several times in the last 30 years. It could be done in the next Congress if we had a pro-life majority.

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:28PM

Judge Napolitano has a quicker easier way. Just define a person and a conceived human.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 4:42PM

Pete:
If we write a definition into law, then the definition can later be changed. Dred scott was not a human. Would a downs child be human or conversely could an ape be human? Much mischief can be done in the name of clarity.

Brad| 2.10.12 @ 3:32PM

like what "is" is

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:16PM

'Upper crust'? The entire GD totality of the Democratic Party is and has been such, so where's the comparison???????

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:14PM

Religion IS the opiate of the ignorant. Even on your LAST day, you will be praying for that Salvation that will NEVER come. not for ALLL your hard work, prayer and devotion to causes. The TRUTH for you is NOT a firey hell or a blissful heaven, it's the dust from whence you came.

And having your dogma interfere with a NATION'S government is a sacrilege according to Jesus. He did command, "Render unto Caesar, what is Caesar's, and give your glory to God." or some such nonesense.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:24PM

no, Liberalism is the opiate of the ignorant

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 4:44PM

Let the sheepherder speak. It proves conclusivly why the heathen rage.

Ovine Sodomizer| 2.7.12 @ 5:53PM

Consider the following from the arbitor of nonesense:

"I am a 1%er, in Mensa" (January 16, 2012 right here in American Spectator)

"you're MOM teach you that?" (January 20, 2012 right here in American Spectator)

There are so many to choose from. Encourage him for more.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 12:52AM

WOW! I not only have a fan, but a stalker as well. I wonder if stalker understands that His adoration and affection for This One will Never be consummated. I only admire males who are more handsome and virile than I, but they still don't excite This One. Certainly NOT as much I obviously excite you.

Ovine Sodomizer| 2.8.12 @ 1:25AM

"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?" (February 7, 2012)

To day jest like anyday for that mater your a mensa jeenous an its soo fasinating too cee sutch and obveous truely grate mind at werk.

Jaime Balandros| 2.7.12 @ 5:00PM

Ah, yes, God is dead! All hail the new god, the NATION's government.

We are perfectly willing to render unto Caesar. What we do not want is for Caesar to rend us.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 12:52AM

Clever phrase. I agree.

Mrs.Vito| 2.7.12 @ 6:03PM

Oh, boy. A Jeremiah Wright wannabe.

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:24PM

Everyone has a religion, even poor "fckewe" has a religion.

Sure, some of us believe in a God who so loved us to condescend to wretched humanity and even die for us.

Others prefer the more solipsistic, narcissistic religion of Leftism, that is the worship of envy in all its forms. That doesn't make it any less a religion.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 12:53AM

if your GOD loves you so much, why would he tempt your obscenity with a negro President?

monty| 2.8.12 @ 1:13AM

give Romney a break pal, he will bring the garden of Eden home to america. And who wouldn't secretly like to have an extra wife of two? You could all stop slobbering over the fox noise sluts who show you what they had for breakfast each day when they cross and uncross their legs.

mmercier| 2.7.12 @ 11:13AM

I love a good purge.

Once God is gone...

You get me.

God forgives, my lot does not.

Alan Brooks| 2.7.12 @ 8:55PM

Agape love is a myth,
you only care about your own children.

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:25PM

How sad that you have lived so shallowly for all your life.

Dr. X| 2.7.12 @ 6:45AM

Neumayr is quite right that there is a totalitarian element to all of this. If you look at Obama's position, it is 100% straight out of Hobbes's "Leviathan" -- you can BELIEVE whatever you want, but you must DO what the government says.

However it must also be said that the Catholic Church (as it did prior to the French Revolution) helped bring this upon itself. It has long cozied up to the government, especially for monies related to health care expenses. Most Catholics are ultra-leftist Democrats, content to let the government use other peoples' tax dollars perform works of charity for them.

This, along with more than a few pedophile priests, has severely weakened loyalty to the Church and made it vulnerable to the dictates of the government.

Clint| 2.7.12 @ 7:00AM

That's A Lie.

You're A Liar, Doctor X.

Depends, Who The Stupid Party's Candidate Is, Stupid.

Catholic Vote:
Bush: 52 Percent - Kerry; 47 Percent
McCain: 45 Percent- Obama: 54 Percent.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In Colorado & Minnesota.

Mike Hawk| 2.7.12 @ 9:36AM

Your point is ???... what. That Ron Paul wasn't in it?? Just what is your point??

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:17PM

Kennedy. Impeach THAT you hypocrites!

Indy| 2.7.12 @ 7:55AM

"Most Catholics are ultra-leftist Democrats, content to let the government use other peoples' tax dollars perform works of charity for them."

Proof please to back up your outrageous statement

Ryan| 2.7.12 @ 8:16AM

Same here. The statement is just patently untrue.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 9:19AM

Indy, I am Catholic and virtually all my family, friends, brother Knights of Columbus and fellow Parishioners are conservatives. The only liberals in my family or among my friends do not attend Services.
Socialist such as Obama and Pelosi misstate Scripture for their own ends. They were warned about this in the Bible.
When Jesus speaks of the "poor," He is speaking of the "poor in Spirit," not financially burdened. When the women placed expensive oil on Him prior to His death, Jesus said "You will always have the poor, but you will not always have Me." Jesus said about taxes: "Render unto Ceasar what is Ceasars, and render unto G-d that is G-ds." He did not come to unite, but to divide. Catholic teaching is not Utopianism on earth!

Good Catholics understand the Scripture and are the most loving and giving people I am honored to know.

Andrew| 2.7.12 @ 10:44AM

sorry to say - all the Catholics I know are Democrats

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 11:02AM

Andrew
That may be about to change. Certainly if individuals examine their own beliefs they will find themselves reexamining their political preferences.

Jaime Balandros| 2.7.12 @ 5:02PM

Yes, just like the Hispanics, things are about to change. I asked a Hispanic friend what percentage voted for Obama. He said 80 %, but that that was about to change!

SeymourGlass| 2.7.12 @ 11:03AM

Andrew: define "Catholic". Do you refer to those of us who attend Mass at least weekly (and often, multiple times a week) and actually believe in the Mass... or do you include those who, once upon a time, were dragged into church by their parents and who like to tell funny jokes about nuns.

As always, once the terms are defined, it's a short journey to the validity of the argument.

Andrew| 2.9.12 @ 9:51AM

SeymourGlass,

I don't define my friends Catholic beliefs for them; they define themselves. And if their definition of Catholicism does not agree with yours, then that's an internal problem for you to sort out, now isn't it?

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 11:36AM

Andrew, apparently you don't know many people. You should get some more friends.
So if all Catholics are liberal Democrats, all Jews are liberal Democrats, all blacks and Hispanics are liberal Democrats; where do you think all the conservatives come from? Last I checked, there are 40% conservatives and 20% liberals.
Perhaps you are just repeating what you been told by your handlers?

monty| 2.8.12 @ 1:21AM

True enough pal, a lot of liberals don't believe in Peter Pan, the tooth fairy, jesus, santa, the easter bunny and yahweh. But also true is that there are lots of cons that are just posing and don't believe either. It's not healthy to admit you don't believe in america. Best to fake it. I'm sure that's what Obama is doing, he's too smart for the sky fairy routine!

Henry Calvin| 2.7.12 @ 12:06PM

I would suggest you might widen your friendship list of Catholics!

Andrew| 2.9.12 @ 10:01AM

every time I try that, I run into more liberals. Just sayin....

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:24PM

Most of this country have been historically Democrat leaning, and is because Democrats make their political living from BS'ing the population [especially the impoverished members] into believing that they/Democrats are THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIGHT [as as such will provide their needed governmental benefits if only they get the population's votes in return]. Democratic politicians are the very defination of con artists, and successful ones at that [thanks to their friends the MSM that provide the propaganda vehicle enabling their brainwashing agenda]!!!!!!!!!!

Seek| 2.7.12 @ 1:34PM

And they're probably conservative compared to their clergy.

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:31PM

The clergy itself is an interesting subject. Boomers are generally hard left, while GenX priests take an increasingly rightward tack. The trend continues with each year's ordination.

In time, the dirt will take the lefists.

Mimi| 2.7.12 @ 2:59PM

The pro-life Catholics left the Dems decades ago.
The Dems chose the lib-lefties over the good Catholics....now they are aborting themselves out of existence!

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 3:17PM

Mimi, You are closest to the truth. Rush just finished the debate with how he left off the issue on his show.

Good Catholics that go to Mass and that do not abort babies are typically conservative and leaning Republicaan. McCain got 55-43 in 2008 among this group.

Liberals that happen to be Catholic, are liberals first. Their religion is abortion, and whether they know it or not, Catholicism provides almost no guidance in their lives. Socialism trumps Catholicism for these folks that Indy and Andrew must know.
Note to Indy and Andrew: go to Church and join the Knights, and you will find what we know first hand.

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:32PM

I taught in a Catholic High School. When I asked the students how they felt about abortion, most were against it. However when I related this back to other teachers (in this CATHOLIC SCHOOL) they were horrified. Ironically I was the non-catholic.

Charity in Truth| 2.7.12 @ 5:32PM

I am a Roman Catholic and I am not a Democrat nor Republican. I did not vote for this pro-abortion President and will not for any of those who voted for Obamacare and sit on a party with a pro-abortion platform.

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:21PM

Let's star YOU in a remake of Trading Places. Let's see if you aren't the drunk, suicidal Santa when you "Mighty" spirit is deliberately crushed by rampant greed, political corruption and regurgitated dogma (doesn't that really taste awful after having been in so many mouths for so many years!!!????).

"When the women placed expensive oil on Him prior to His death, Jesus said "You will always have the poor, but you will not always have Me." So you ADMIT your Savior will abandon you in your last hour! He said THAT to his MOST faithful and devout followers??? WOW!

Jaime Balandros| 2.7.12 @ 5:07PM

Wow, a perfect example of a half-wit who knows just enough to prove himself idiotic. Christ did not abandon them. He had to leave, in order that the Holy Spirit could come, which for some reason he felt critical to his disciples spiritual progress.

You really ought to ponder scripture rather than mine it for talking-point zingers ...

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 12:58AM

Been two thousand YEARS now and not a sign of Him. Although your 'AntiChrist' has shown up 25 -26 times throughout the ages? Ronald REAGAN was 666 LMAO.

Oh.. BTW, the Holy Spirit told his Mom he was in the mail. Check Mate. you believe any and all sunstroked ramblings of a delirious and enslave people grasping for any shred of imaginary hope. Surprised you didn't vote for obama!

sheheheep| 2.8.12 @ 2:48PM

This according to the genius who posted:

"I am a 1%er, in Mensa"

"you're MOM teach you that?"

"You take 2 Viagarrrrrrrrra to day?"

Go fish.

fckewe| 2.9.12 @ 3:14AM

you know, if someone could focus your assburgers syndrome into something constructive say, like digging a tunnel to China to make shipping cheaper... you might become useful.

sheheheep| 2.9.12 @ 4:11PM

Is it you're 1%er Mensan opinion the digging start to day or is it your just saying assburgers syndrome because your a 1%er Mensan every day and not just to day, and you're opinion is important because your not a Markist scab snot bubble?

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:12AM

He must be referring to the CINO, Catholics in Name Only! Most Catholics of this genre use the name, but do not abide by many or often any of the tenents of the faith. They do represent about 80% of the faith in America, but only about 1% of those who attend Mass weekly.

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:13AM

For examples see, Kennedy's, Pelosi, Sebelius, Etc!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:26PM

The Kennedys, the Pilosis, the Kerrys, etc are NOT Catholics or CINOS.........instead they are LIBERALS and DEMOCRATS in Catholic clothing, and therein lies the difference!!!!!!!!!!

Mimi| 2.7.12 @ 3:07PM

Yeh O F , I wonder how they can look themselves in the mirror....But maybe they have no shame....Only in ETERNITY will they find out.
Every human is so unique none of us alike...that is just why to protect all souls is so critical..eventually our democracy will include the unborn in deserving of rights as did it evolve in including the Black Americans....it took about 80 years....The DEMS are WRONG on this...oh so WRONG!!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 3:15PM

Mimi, no 'maybe' about it. Shame is something Democrats have no knowledge of. Corruption is however something that they are fully aware of and secretly acknowledge in describing themselves!!!!!!!

KennesawJack| 2.7.12 @ 4:24PM

I'm curious. Does anyone know if any of the above referenced libs are denied Communion in the Catholic Church?

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 4:52PM

The Church has threatened but never actually denied same. The Eucharist Police no doubt is in bed with the Anti-Pedifilia Police within the Church, sadly!!!!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 4:52PM

The Church has threatened but never actually denied same. The Eucharist Police no doubt is in bed with the Anti-Pedifilia Police within the Church, sadly!!!!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 4:52PM

The Church has threatened but never actually denied same. The Eucharist Police no doubt is in bed with the Anti-Pedifilia Police within the Church, sadly!!!!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 4:53PM

The Church has threatened but never actually denied same. The Eucharist Police no doubt is in bed with the Anti-Pedifilia Police within the Church, sadly!!!!

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:33PM

Actually, they have been baptized Catholic. As such, should they fail to repent, their lot shall be far worse than that of the heathens.

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:23PM

Don't forget the Gambino's, Gotti's, Luciano's, Castellano's andthe rest of the Mob. OH MY!!! What about those drug dealers in Columbia and mexico and all points in between? Not many NONCatholics there FOR SURE!!!

Clint| 2.7.12 @ 3:49PM

Hey Anti-Catholic Bigot, Focker.

Louis Lepke, Mickey Cohen, Gus Greenbaum, Jake Gusik,Etc. Weren't Catholics.

Drug Lords: Klaas Bruinsma, Frank Lucas, Zhenli Ye Gon, Ricky Ross, Paul Lir Alexander,Felix Mitchell, Etc.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:27PM

ah...good old Storm(front) Trooper Clint...strutting around in his jackboots andswastika underoos

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:00AM

True, but Tuesday isn't antisemitic day in AMSPec. Still, all those I listed as VERY devout Catholics. Didn't Frank lucas produce and direct Star Wars?

JP| 2.7.12 @ 8:14AM

"However it must also be said that the Catholic Church (as it did prior to the French Revolution) helped bring this upon itself. It has long cozied up to the government, especially for monies related to health care expenses."

You mean accepting Medicare and Medicaid patients (the elderly and the sick)? Or students who need federal student loans? The Catholic hospitals turn away no one. And the bill they send Medicare and Medicaid is usually pennies on the dollars from what they get from Uncle Sam. I take it, Catholics should check thier rights at the door when accepting a penny from the government.

Pax78| 2.7.12 @ 8:59AM

Spot on. The strawman argument of "they take federal funding so they have to accept the new law"; Using that logic, every person in the US on food stamps, welfare, housing assistance or Medicaid should no longer be covered by the Bill of Rights. Those rights are God-given, and no government has the right to grant or deny them based on legal or bureaucratic whims.

N_8_| 2.7.12 @ 11:10AM

The Bill of Rights is to protect people from institution like the church. If the institutions want to function in this country, they need to abide by the law.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 12:04PM

Please return to 6th grade civics. While you're at it, read the Bill of Rights. You will find more often than not that the Bill of Rights puts the prohibitions on Congress.

Seek| 2.7.12 @ 1:35PM

N_8 is right. Freedom from religion is as much as right as freedom of religion. More broadly, nobody ought to be coerced into providing alms or political support to a particular belief system, religious or nonreligious.

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:38PM

And yet we must pay the bill for Secular Humanism Inc? How about Big Green?

In the end, your argument fails, for without belief, there is no need for action, or even for governance.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:29PM

the Bill of Rights is to ackowledge the God-given, not Government-granted rights of the people...not Government-given. it spells out precisely that which the government MAY NOT DO

canuckistani| 2.7.12 @ 10:24AM

if we are to get into this academic argument about Catholicism, then open it up wide.
There is no way on earth Jesus would condone the personal possession of handguns. No way He would condone the continuance of capital punishment where there are blatent and clear imbalances in its application and enforcement by race, gender and material wealth, and no way He would condone the use of troops for an aggressive war. I like to belive He was completely pro-life, so parsing His views subjugate women is lazy and harmful.
It think it a lie that contraceptives somehow go against the teachings of the Church, when an estimated 98% of nubile Catholic women have used some form of artificial contraception in their lifetimes. 98% suggests either the Church law is unenforceable or it is completely irrelevant in the modern Church, and the men in dresses should be focussing on harder targets like the behaviors of men and governments, and not women.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 10:36AM

My view is if you are unable to uphold the standards of the religion you profess, you should leave it. And find something that comports with your beliefs. Not violate its tenets and still call yourself a (whatever it may be).

N_8_| 2.7.12 @ 12:02PM

What is being talked about is the employees of these religions, not the adherents.

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 3:36PM

It all started with St. Augustine, who believed, with the science of the day, that every sperm was inhabited by a homunculus - a "little man". Thus every ejaculation unintended for procreation was abortive, and in his eyes, a crime as well as a sin. So, guys, masturbation (also coital withdrawal) was as murderous as abortion in the foundational paradigm.
He also believed that sexual pleasure was an unfortunate result of the Fall, and essentially odious. Before the fall, it would have been calmer, "like urination, or menstrual flow." Various Popes compromised on the birth control issue, but lets not give it more gravitas than it deserves. Medieval claptrap.
Have a lovely, holy and pleasurable life, all, and may the brilliant clarity of the Holy Spirit clear yer muddled liddle heads.

Trish Brown| 2.18.12 @ 1:24PM

Becca, don't turn around, but your ignorance is showing for all the world to see.

The idea of a homonuculus arose in the fifteenth century, millenia after St. Augustine left the earth. In fact, Augustine mistakenly believed that ensoulment took place at about forty days, an error later rectified in light of embryonic advances.

So, vilify the Church to your little heart's content, but try to understand that you are NOT the smartest person in the universe. You will have eternity to contemplate your arrogance.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 10:46AM

"no way on earth Jesus would condone the personal possession of handguns..."

He condoned the possession of swords which were the "handguns" of this time....

Think you can speak for Christ?

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 11:51AM

Luke Chapter 22 vs. 38 "And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough."

JP| 2.7.12 @ 10:47AM

Unenforceable? Not sure what you mean. Prohibitions against artificial contraception as far as the Church is concerned comes from God. It is a moral teaching handed down from God. Use of artificial contraception is a Sin against God, makes a mockery of the sacrament of marriage, and leads to other sins. In Church parlance, it is Mortal Sin (ie leads to Hell), and seperates the person from Christ's friendship. Catholics who indulge in the use of artificial contraception are prohibited from presenting themselves for Communion until after they go through sacramental reconciliation (confession, pennance). No priest can "enforce" adherence to Christ's laws (they never could). In th end, it will not be a priest that convicts us sinners, but our own souls and Christ Himself. And to say, artificial contraception is correct because everyone uses it is a strawman. The Church has never allowed Sin just because it is popular.

Todd S| 2.7.12 @ 1:02PM

I really do not believe God has a problem with using contraception's in marriage much like he has no problem with Bishops being married but I am not a Catholic. The government certainly has no right to violate the 1st amendment rights of Catholics, anyone can get their contraceptives many other places. Just another example of the lefts and Obama's contempt for the Constitution.

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 6:48PM

And that is the point. The mandate forces Catholic institutions to do something that the Catholic religion teaches is a sin. The institutions don't prevent their employees from buying and/or using contraception. They do, however, rightly, object to being forced to pay for it in contravention of their religious beliefs. If the employees object, they should work somewhere else.

Clint| 2.7.12 @ 3:55PM

Why Limit It To Catholics, Agenda Bigot ?

Would Jesus Arm The Lutherans, Baptists And Jews And Episcopalians, etc ?
Do Mormons And Jews And Muslims Get A Special Dispensation From God ?

Hmmmmm, Mr. Wide Open Discussion, Bigot?

Patrick| 2.7.12 @ 11:42PM

Well, your second sentence alone betrays you. Luke 22:36.

As for the rest: TLDR.

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:14AM

Amen! Spot on!

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:35PM

And that is precisely what liberals aka Democrats orchestrate through their historical control of government [as do foreign dictators]. If you take government benefits, then you therefore OWE the government and by affiliation, you owe the Democratic Party your vote for providing such benefits. It's called KNEE-CAPPING in community organizing terminology!!!!!!

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 3:12PM

And good shall become evil as evil will be called 'good'. We are all born with a sense of right and wrong...C.S. Lewis put it best in his fantastic treatise, "Mere Christianity". I will not stop adhering to my conscience through twisted deceptions, this being only the most recent example. It is twisted deceptions that are bringing this country to its knees, not unlike Sodom and Gahmorrha; the mob beating on the door, demanding, "How dare you hide these from us!" The audacity of their outrage is what we are fighting here and now.

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 3:42PM

Oh dear Lord, CS Lewis would so loathe American right-wing "Christianity" - what are you thinking? It's just the sort of vicious, self-servingly politicized, hypocritical and self-aggrandizing thing that he most hated! Mere Christianity is a wonderful book. And nothing to do with this miserable circus.

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:25PM

What the MOB bills and it's TAKE are largely WAY overpriced, considring the 35% tax savings they get from being COMPLETELY TAX EXEMPT> IF the Catholic Church's Hospitals were HONEST, their rates would be 35% LESS or more, considering the DONATIONS they get as tax write offs from the Fortune 500 and the 1%.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:01AM

Catholic hospitals have AIDS wings? Wards? Beds? AIDS exits.

Bob Grant| 2.7.12 @ 10:41AM

"Most Catholics are ultra-leftist Democrats..."

Sir, this blanket statement is patently untrue which cannot supported by fact.

It is true, however, that that in some instances the Catholic Church has dabbled in politics mainly for defensive reasons. Similar to large corporations cozying up to government.

Don't let the likes of Nancy Pelosi, John Kerry, Joe Biden, Andrew Cuomo, or any of the self professed "Catholic" leftist political pundits poison your view of the Catholic Church.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:38PM

The politicians you site [and the Kennedys etc also] are not Catholics......they are corrupt liberal Democrats and only belong to the Democratic Religion!!!!!

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:26PM

Remind This One NOT to play liar's poker with you.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 4:59PM

I don't play since as per its name, I don't LIE [I'll leave that to the BS ARTISTS aka DEMOCRATS]!!!!!

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:02AM

hahahahaaaa

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:30PM

the Kennedy Klan worships their money, their gonads, and their egos

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:02PM

Yeah, their LIQUOR money, their FIDDLE&FADDLE; INSERTED gonads, and their CHAPPEQUIDIC&O-BAR egos, no doubt!!!!!

Jaime Balandros| 2.7.12 @ 5:12PM

And tell me, what is the link between Catholic priests in Central America and Marxist thought? Some, right? It is a sincere question that has not be engaged in this thread. It's all the social gospel stuff that gets religion in trouble.

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 6:56PM

Agree. We have similar types of "priests" in this country. An example is Fr. Pfleger in Chicago. They are all a disgrace to the collar.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:07AM

Christian government, as described by paul in the eraly church was VERY Markist and EXTREMELY Socialist. ABSOLUTELY NOT Capitalist. Certainly NOT Republican nor Democratic.

NO ONE can VOTE in church, No one has any legitimate input except that GRANTED by a priest. Money only buys favors, but he church society itself is not a supply and demand business model.

It pools it prayer and other energies to help each other and all blessings are shared among the proletariat flock while the altar boys are only shared with the bourgois elite of Monssignors, prelates, bishops, cardinals and the Pope.

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 3:44PM

Or saves its soul...

Ted| 2.7.12 @ 11:16AM

"Most Catholics are ultra-leftist Democrats, content to let the government use other peoples' tax dollars perform works of charity for them."

Drivel.

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 6:57PM

"Drivel."
And balderdash. Don't forget balderdash.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 12:33PM

Your statement of 'Most Catholics are ultra-leftist Democrats' is a bit extreme and untrue. Most of the Church's population resides within third-world countries of Latin America, Africa etc amongst impoverished peoples who are collectively a far cry from being 'leftist' in character. In fact the extrme opposite is true, in that most generally Catholics are more conservative in fact. You are correct if you restrict your argument to the liberalized communities of major Catholic universities and their surrounding populations [ie Boston University/Massachusetts; NotreDame/Chicago; Loyola/California etc]. The liberalization of the Church comes not from its populations within, but instead from ourside progressive forces that have invaded the Church in order to capture/control/convert to liberalism same. Specifically, the homosexual/pedifile problem of the Church resulted from progressive-liberal progressives invading the Church by becoming priests/clergy in order to gain access to vernerable children and to other contained homosexuals. It was simply liberal minded individuals attempting successfully to invade/capture/control the Church, and sadly they were successful in same. The liberal-progressives today are attempting since 11/3/08 to essentially do the same thing with the government of this country, and again sadly we taxpayers-voters are allowing them to subversively do so. Again, this liberalism is advanced/propagandized by the progressives controlling the MSM that 24-7 brainwash us readers into complying with their ideas and thoughts regarding various issues. Sarah Palin recently defined the current Republican nomination problem of these candidates not substantially focusing upon the main goal of the upcoming election [instead of clawing each other up and thereby doing the work of Obama/Democrats for them]. Again folks, ITS THE DEMOCRATS [aka LIBERALS] STUPIDS!!!!!!!

Ted R.| 2.7.12 @ 6:45AM

It's funny how religious reactionaries are slowly, gradually, cottoning onto what the Islamists have always - instinctively - understood: that the secular society is one which overturns God's authority. You cannot seperate church and state, without cancelling God's universal authority. To make the state officially neutral in matters of spiritual intention, is to suborn God to the procedural rules of the liberal civil society. God is not GOD, anymore, after the societal implications of this procedural neutrality have unfolded. This is at the very root of why the Islamists hate us; and it is why conservatism can never ultimately be compatible with true political equality.

Vern Crisler| 2.7.12 @ 9:47AM

Huh? Are you an American? Have you never read the Constitution? Have you never heard about the Inquisition (outside of a Monty Python sketch)? That's what you have without a separation of church and state.

And yes, the Islamists hate us for precisely this reason: we stand in the way of their jihadist agenda. One would thing opposing such fanaticism would be a good thing.

A separation of church and state, however, does not equate to a separation of morality and the state. Jefferson never taught such a thing, nor would the founding fathers have understood either it or Obama.

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:16AM

There is no such separation of Church and State in the U.S. Constitution! Merely the statement that Congress shall not .......! The States and The People hold the right to determine which State, what religion, ETC.

Seek| 2.7.12 @ 1:37PM

The word "God" doesn't appear in the Constitution either. Should we then abolish the idea?

Vern Crisler| 2.7.12 @ 2:02PM

Seek, in actual fact the Constitution mentions the "Year of Our Lord."

Vern Crisler| 2.7.12 @ 2:00PM

When Congress is told it cannot make a law respecting an establishment of religion it means it cannot make a law respecting a church.

The States decided by the 1830s that they did not want to have state churches, so they discontinued their own state churches.

Separation of church and state is basic to American government.

Le Cracquere| 2.7.12 @ 9:52AM

You know, some fellow named Augustine wrote a brief book dealing with a couple of the issues you touch on. Maybe it's just me, but it might be worth your time to check & see if there's anything relevant to your statements in there.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 11:24AM

Very good L/C:
The history of Western Civ is the history of the search for Truth. When men reject that tradition they are left with Might makes Right and The Ends Justify the Means. We have seen enough - one would think - of where those roads lead.

KennesawJack| 2.7.12 @ 4:41PM

Al, Amen and Amen! Far too often our modern culture has rejected the essence of Western Civilization which is, as you so correctly stated, the search for Truth. Our modern culture seeks to define Truth within the confines of its own biases and the result is, ultimately, exactly what you posit, the sacrifice of Truth upon the altar of Might makes Right and the Ends Justify the Means. In today's world those two evils are cloaked in the guise of Political Correctness and "Hate Crimes" but in the end, they have the same result, the suppression of liberty.

Seek| 2.7.12 @ 1:37PM

It isn't the job the State, an agent of force, to promote any more than suppress a relgious faith.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:43PM

Not just Islamists but also the Democratic Party, which constantly propagandizes the seperation of church and state for the very reasons you site. It's to eliminate religious churches influence and to substitute instead that of government. Democrats believe that if they can control government, provide governmental welfare to the indigent population, then they thereafter control the votes of same. It's exactly what foreign dictators do!!!!

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:28PM

GOD's authority rests on NOTHING but heresay and hallucination. GOD HAS only the authority you give it and I am SURE that St. Stephen the Stupid is REALLY regretting being the First martyr about now.

Clint| 2.7.12 @ 4:00PM

Like Yo Mama Regrets You Having Her Same Last Name, Focker.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:11AM

I am NOT like you Clint. I have My Father's name. Does you mother even KNOW who your father was? I can't keep track of 3 kids even though I see them all day every day. The same kids!!! LMAO

your Mama ought to get a time clock and give her regulars time cards so she can keep track of all the fathers of your siblings. The sell them for about a Bennie @ Staples. Great Mother's Day gift for a woman in her line of work.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:07PM

You're the defination of a DUMBARS. The entirety of man's law comes from the 'AUTHORITY' of G-d's NATURAL LAW. More precisely, Forrest Gump defined you concerning STUPIDITY!!!!!!!!!!

Jaime Balandros| 2.7.12 @ 5:34PM

You know, I think I will just stop feeding this troll who must not be named. It's just too easy, will not change him and is none to productive. Maybe for some really important reason ... but no, I doubt that will ever happen.

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 7:01PM

There are many trolls on this site. Are you thinking (without naming names) of one of the several ronulans or he who likes sheep (too much)?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:12AM

Then why hast GOD not SMITED the infidels? Because he is a figment of your dementia.

Appleby| 2.7.12 @ 6:49AM

We have been warned for 2,000 years, from the mouth of Christ Hmself, that this day would come; and anybody who whines that, "He's joking," or "we thought it was a joke" will soon know what the rest of us knew all along: Satan doesn't joke.

And Obama will find out what Saruman found out: Satan doesn't take partners.

Any Catholic who thought this day would never come had better get ready to face the crocodile; it might eat you last, but it will eat you.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 7:52AM

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat? He's coming for the Church? But, didn't he just tell us how CHRISTIAN he is? Didn't he just tell us how he's always getting together with other Christians for PRAYER? Didn't he just say that he Prays every Goddamn Day?

How long have I been writing THIS?

"And I saw the Beast rise from the Sea. And he was given a MOUTH, to speak Haughty and Blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise authority for forty two months." Revelation 13-5.

He is the Great Deciever. He is the one Born to an Atheist and a Muslim. To a Communist and a Marxist. I defy anyone to come forward with one shred of evidence, that this MONGREL POS, has any connection to CHRIST. That he would sit 20 Years in the Hate Church, of a Racist/Bigoted/Jew Hating/White Hating/America Hating, bucket of PUKE. He lte that SCUM precide over hie Wedding. He let that bag of Excrement Baptize his Children in to his Flock of Hate. He considered him "A member of my family.

Can we stop it, already, with the whole: "He Betrayed us", "He's in way over his head" "He doesn't understand", CRAP?

My Catholic friends. Open your eyes. Look at what's all around you. Everything EVIL, is on the rise, since President Peace Prize has come to power. Gay Marriage. Gays in the Military. His Administration fought for BEASTIALITY, in the Armed Forces.

"We feel Betrayed." "We were Lied to."

Of course. That's who he is.

We have a President who's Mother was an Atheist and a Communist. His Father was a Muslim and a Marxist. His Maternal Grandparents were Communists. His 1st Mentor - John Marshall Davis - was a Communist. His 2nd Mentor - Jeremiah Wright was a White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Marxist. Barack Hussein Obama spent 20 Years in that White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Marxist's Hate Church.

We have a President who is "Friends" with the White Hating, Jew Hating, America Hating, Nation of Islam Leader - Louis Farrakhan.

We have a Commander In Chief who began his Political Career, and is Close Friends, with two Unrepentant DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. Two people - Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who Murdered Police Officers, Blew Up Recruiting Stations, and BOMBED THE PENTAGON.

He was Raised, until the age of 11, in the Muslim Schools and Mosques, of Indonesia. "Death To America!" "Death To The Jew!" He knelt on his Prayer Rug, facing Mecca, and Prayed to a God of MURDER and DEATH, and CRUELY and SLAVERY 5 times a day.

In the 3 years since he's been in Power, the Middle East has been transformed in to a Prelude to Armageddon.

Tunisia has gone over to the Islamists. He abandoned Mubarak, in favour of the Muslim Brother hood, who's first words upon toppling the old regime were: 'Now we go to WAR, against the Jew.'

He toppled Khaddafi, who was not a threat to anyone. Now, one more Jihadi Piece, is added to the Chess Board.

He REFUSES to do anything with IRAN. He REFUSES to do anything about SYRIA. Only the countries NOT in Jihadist's hands, does he deal with.

A Blind Man could see what's coming.

What? You need more?

Hamas sells Drinking Mugs, on its Official Web Site. The Mugs are adorned with the Face of OBAMA. He is wearing a Traditional Arab Hat, and the Traditional Muslim Dishrag around his neck. Hamas believes that he has been "SENT BY ALLAH" to Destroy the Jews. They believe that he is The DELIVERER, and that he will Deliver Jerusalem, back to Muslim hands. They have even given him the name: ABU HUSSAIN - Son Of The Father.

This is the President of the United States of America.

This THING, sits on the Throne of the Largest, Most Powerful Christian Nation on the Planet, and Israel's only Ally.

This is who he is. This is what he is.

He was RUNNING GUNS, for God's Sake, to Mexican Drug Cartels, so that he could use the Hundreds of MURDERED Mexican Men, Women, and CHILDREN, as Props, in his effort to eliminate the Right of Americans to Arm Themselves, against an Oppressive Government.

You don't believe me? Read what CBS wrote about it. Read what CBS wrote about the Emails. Over 1,000 people MURDERED by Obama's hand.

"And I saw the BEAST rise from the Sea. And he was given a MOUTH, to speak Haughty and Blasphemous words. And he was allowed to exercise Authority for forty two months." Revelation 13-5.

READ IT! Then, look around the world. Russia is, once again, aiding and abetting the Enemies of LIGHT. Every Country that falls to the Islamists, increases their numbers, until they are the size of the Army that is Prophesied in Revelation.

You people are supposed to be RELIGIOUS!

This sh*t isn't happening in the shadows. It's right in front of you.

Barack Hussein Obama is EVERYTHING that Hamas thinks he is. He's everything the Bible says he is. And, he's everything that I KNOW he is.

Why can't you see what I see?

How long have I been writing this? How long have I been laughed at? How long have I been labeled: A Kook?

How long has he told us to "Be Tolerant of MUSLIMS"?

Do the Math, for GOD sakes.

Gary B| 2.7.12 @ 8:02AM

I saw in 2008 what you see. It was as obvious as the nose on my face. He was a tyrant in waiting. How, he's here as the front man for the New World Order.

Romney isn't perfect, but at least he's not Satan.

A. C. Santore| 2.7.12 @ 10:14AM

And I have given him a title (since 2008, and on here): protodictator.

If he has his way, he'll drop the "proto" soon. Anyone who can see, hear, and read knows that is what he is in the process of doing.

SUBVET| 2.7.12 @ 12:56PM

I wouldn't be to sure about that...what is said about wolfves.... in sheep's clothing.

Teaghan| 2.7.12 @ 8:38AM

An Kathleen Sibilius is the angel of death.

Great post Tim. Keep it up.
Have you ever posted somethin like this on the HufPo?

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 8:41AM

What's a HufPo?

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:32PM

it's the natural habitat of Progresstards like 'fckewe'

KennesawJack| 2.7.12 @ 4:46PM

Better yet, Tim, post it on the Daily Beast. I go there once in a while just to stir the chamberpot. Your post will really get 'em foaming at the mouth. Let me know if you do so I can check the ranting.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 5:12PM

I'm doing it, now.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 9:13AM

Tim,
Don't ever stop writing the things you right, because you are right. You're not alone, other have and do see what you see. The problem is we haven't organized ourselves. We're waiting on the Republican Party to do our bidding for us. Thats where the real danger is. The Republicans have no back bone and worse, they don't care about us. They are more concerned with building things in China that they can sell in an up and coming Asia. Thats all the Republicans stand for anymore, money in THEIR pockets.
At some point folks, and it needs to be soon, we need to get organized or we're going down. I don't know how to do it or how to start it. Someone out there does. I hope that someone is a General or retired General, or even just a patriot politician. All I know is John Boehnor Mitch McConnell are false profits, as I believe Romney to be too. However, I will vote for anyone other than Obama.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 10:29AM

Dmac,

You have Ret. Gen. Vallely's "Stand Up America"
organization and "Oath Keepers" for starters.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 9:22AM

G-d bless you Timothy. Perhaps Rush, you and I were among the few that understood exactly what "fundamental transformation" meant?

If you have a capitalist society based on liberty and property rights, what the hell did people think the trasformation was going to be???

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 10:14AM

Oh right, just the three of you. My, my, don't we have a high opinion of ourself? You're quite the intellectual elitist, aren't you?
Tim and Rush qualify, you however, don't.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 10:41AM

Anthony, it is called hyperbole. For a dumb ass like you, the definition is "an exageration not intended to be taken literally."
You must have been in "social justice" class the days Rush, Timothy and I were learning english.

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 11:27AM

Oh, so that's what it was, hyperbole eh? I don't think so!!! I think VBMax would agree.
However, I must say, your level of sophistication is just off the charts.
And you're quite the name dropper too. I bet Tim and Rush just love having their names thrown around by the likes of you. Best buds were you with both Tim and Rush? Did they let you carry their lunch boxes?
Sorry, I didn't major in social justice, in any of my three degrees, as anybody who has read my posts, lo these many years, would tell you. But I did major in English, which is kinda like english.
You have a rather nasty side to you, has anybody ever told you? Are you sure you're a Catholic, and does your priest know about this side of you?
Get thee to the confessional!

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 11:43AM

I am just nasty to alleged English Majors that write "eh" and "kinda."
So you teach sentance construction and that qualifies you to comment on economics? That's the problem with half-educated people. They are what is called an unknowing incompetents!
I just went to confession recently. I did not have to admit to coveting other people's stuff, like apparently you and your socialist friends should.

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 1:09PM

Actually, I gave up the classroom 30 years ago, so I no longer teach sentEnce construction. It also appears you didn't attend my classes on the use of literary devices in creative writing. Oh well, in your defense, I did teach on the A.P. level, so we never would have had the chance to meet.
Lucky for you though that you were not one of my pupils, as I would have flunked your ass, because your spelling and grammar match your atrocious level of English usage, AS are apparent by your sophomoric posts.
How you have concluded that I am a socialist is beyond belief. Is today April 1st, or has Obozocare kicked in and people have been cut off from their meds ?

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 1:28PM

Memorizing english conventions is not the same as thinking. My point was about fundamental transformation and you responded. Then you question my religion. This is what you pass for education, teacher?
I don't know what you think, or if you think. All I know is one can glean from what I say what I mean. I am quite glad we have not met, since I do not suffer fools well.
Ta ta for now, Rush is coming back on.

SUBVET| 2.7.12 @ 1:10PM

Confessional.............for what reason, show me in the bible where it says that a man must repent to a mortal for his sins. Among other "man made" laws in the church you kind of wonder why there has been a decline in catholic worship.

Nick| 2.7.12 @ 6:43PM

SUBVET,

"Jesus said to them again, 'Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.' And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, 'Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.'" - John 20:21-23

"Therefore confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects." - James 5:16

"Any one whom you forgive, I also forgive. What I have forgiven, if I have forgiven anything, has been for your sake in the presence of Christ [i.e., in Persona Christi] [...]." - 2 Cor. 2:10

Plus, Catholics do not get absolution from a man, we get it from Christ.
God Bless!

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 7:06PM

Nicely done, Nick. Expect to be flamed by you-know-who for this at some point. Just sayin'.

Nick| 2.7.12 @ 7:17PM

Thanks, irish19!

To all comers: Bring It On! Ha-ha!
God Bless!

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:19AM

They get it from a priest, only after confession to a priest, AND after acts of contrition AND penance.

Protestants believe that each soul has direct access to GOD, as do all Muslims. Some believe that a dip in the pond is the Salvation Rite, others think just claiming "Jesus is Lord" is sufficient for everlasting life.

I behave as if I WERE the Christ, which is really a Buddhist thought, and since I know all souls share the same spirit, but are unique, I get what Hindus understand as well.

What bathroom wall did YOU get your dogma from?

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 10:39AM

Hey, I would like to apply to be "among the few".
Where do I sign up?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:21AM

The Few, the Proud, the marines. They are in the Yellow pages.

hunter| 2.7.12 @ 10:02AM

Right on target Tim. A direct hit, I could have written almost the same response, but have been too pissed. Thanks.

tsd| 2.7.12 @ 10:44AM

Too many in our society take literally that our politicians should be held to the innocent until proven guilty concept. Now after 3 years of dear old Barack people are just starting to see that he is not completely truthful!!!! Wake up and start thinking, look at the facts, take some time and learn about what he/they are up to. Is he a Muslim, a christian, a communist, a socialist, a tyrant in waiting??? Does he abide by our laws, our constitution, our way of life?? Look at the facts, government growth, deficits, unemployment, immigration, and on and on.If you spend some time, look at the facts and think about it, he is the largest lair of all times... Period. Why would any freedom loving American vote for this fake?? He will end our country and our way of life if we let him!!!

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 11:13AM

It's more than that.

He NEVER tells the Truth.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 11:21AM

When he uses the courts to hide the facts, like his college records, travel records, and his birth certificate you have no facts to rely on other than what you learn as you learn it.

SUBVET| 2.7.12 @ 1:12PM

IT............will steal the election.

irish19| 2.7.12 @ 7:08PM

"people are just starting to see that he is not completely truthful!!!!"
What an understatement!!! Are you English?

shoebox57| 2.7.12 @ 11:18AM

Could you please come to my Church this weekend and speak!!

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:29PM

Have you noticed the men with butterfly nets following you a little closer lately?

Jimmy Jansen| 2.7.12 @ 5:45PM

Wow! What a resume for a US president! And what a powerful distillation of Obama's life.

I'm not quite sure we are at Armageddon -- but the fig leaves look to be sprouting.

Herb Tarlek| 2.7.12 @ 9:02PM

I wondered how long it would take before somebody started in with the Anti Christ stuff. I thought you guys said Bill Clinton was the AntiChrist. Can there be two of them?

When I read threads like this I am glad that freedom of religion includes freedom from religion. Where ever you guys end up in whatever afterlife that may or may not exist, I want no part of. It seems to be a place absent of reason.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:24AM

YES! They are behind EVERY bush, Under EVERY rock, around EVERY corner! Satan's minions lurking to devour your soul!!! Be strong, Be wary from awakening to sleep! The AmntiChrist will get YOOOOOOOOOO! Be, as paranoid as you can be.

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 3:47PM

I will try to remember when I encounter a luminous crocodile that it is the Second Coming...

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.7.12 @ 6:50AM

Just look at "Black History Month." Another example where one race is highlighted over another.
All secularism is based on collectivism and you see it everywhere in USA these days.

Frank Drackman | 2.7.12 @ 11:56AM

Its like when I was a Kid and asked my Dad why there was a Father's Day, a Mother's Day, but no "Kid's Day".
after recovering from his Huggy-Bear-ish Pimp Slap, I heard my Mom say,
"EVERY day is Kid's Day"
which is why there isn't a "White History Month"

EVERY Month is White History Month, there's even a History Channel, and whenever I watch it, its about some White dude.

Frank

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 2.7.12 @ 12:22PM

The liberal is strong within you.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:33PM

not to mention, the FAIL

Trish Brown| 2.18.12 @ 1:28PM

Frankie....wondered where you have been!

Don't confuse the unwashed masses with any big doctor words, ok?

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:31PM

Liberal racists? Humn, only ever saw Conservatives tie N****r's to trees and set crosses on fire. EVER!

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:40PM

there's NOTHING more racist than a liberal; their whole approach to race consists of something like THIS:

"sorry, mr/ms (insert nonwhite race here) that you have not become a multimillionaire yet; i'm sure it's because you're so freaking INFERIOR...errr, i mean, VICTIMIZED... that we guilt-ridden white folks will simply HAVE to take care of you; here, have some yummy preferences and a side of cockroack-infested government housing...a ...JOB? why do you want a job when we have free cheese and midnight basketball? now, y'all remember who to vote for...Uncle Sugah!"

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:09PM

You've been peeking inside Alinsky's RULES FOR RADICALS again no doubt!!!!!

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 5:40PM

Sheep Lover, if you were able to look at the rolls of the KKK you would find the vast majority of their members would be Democrat. What party do liberals most closely align themselves with? The Democratic Party.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:25AM

Where can i get a copy of this text Olde?

Clint| 2.7.12 @ 7:07AM

Dr.Ron Paul,
“I am deeply troubled by the flippancy with which President Obama recently discussed regulations that are alarming and troublesome for many Americans,”
“Not all Americans are comfortable with the Obama administration’s decision to mandate coverage of birth control and morning-after pills, and the considerations of these people, many of them Christian conservatives, are worthy of careful consideration — not mockery.”

The Tea Party Rebellion Is In Colorado & Minnesota.

Fred Farkel| 2.7.12 @ 11:15AM

Romney/ Paul, the winning ticket. Get on board now.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:10PM

'....In addition to defining human life to begin at conception at the Federal level, Paul's Sanctity of Life Act would remove challenges to prohibitions on abortion from federal court jurisdiction.[149] In 2005, Paul also introduced the We the People Act, which would have removed "any claim based upon the right of privacy, including any such claim related to any issue of ... reproduction" from the jurisdiction of federal courts. If made law, either of these acts would allow states to prohibit abortion[97] or any sex act. In 2005, Paul voted against restricting interstate transport of minors to get abortions.[158]....'

Mike M| 2.7.12 @ 7:19AM

It is a wonder this self described "christian" is able to get any votes from those of faith.
Obama's faith is in himself...nothing more, nothing less.

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:32PM

How do you know the heart or mind of any man? is that no GOD's province alone? BLASTED FEMUR! HAIRY RHETORIC!

Gary B| 2.7.12 @ 7:21AM

This doesn't surprise anyone, does it? Now, consider Obama having four more years without worrying about re-election. As Neal Boortz said, "You can't even imagine how bad it will be." Actually, I think I can.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:26AM

imagine... financial reform, no childleft uncared for, schools for our grandchildren, bridges that don't collapse and courts that don't think a slip of paper has the right of free speech!

Gary B| 2.7.12 @ 7:22AM

I hope Catholics rebel against this tyrant and I hope it's the start of something BIG.

Doctor Right| 2.7.12 @ 7:55AM

Step 1 would be for the Pope to officially excommunicate Nancy Pelosi, Joe Biden, John Kerry, et al, and all other supposedly Catholic Democrats (or Republicans) who support this monstrosity.

Step 2 would be for the Pope to tell the American Bishops that they will NOT comply with this unconstitutional mandate and to gird themselves for the coming struggle, up to and including civil disobedience.

This monster (Obama, Sebellius, et al) MUST be stopped.

Gary B| 2.7.12 @ 8:04AM

Regardign the Pope... I'm not holding my breath, but it's a worthy fantasy.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 8:18AM

The days of the Pope injecting himself into foreign politics is long gone. And if history is any guide, the results are mixed. And while the Vatican doesn't have to worry about being occupied by Hapsburg or French soldiers, since Vatican II, the responsibility of standing up to local tyrants lies mainly with the local bishops.

BTW, this Pope probably has a better chance of taking on city hall than do our bishops.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 12:48PM

Interesting. The American Left adheres to a moral relativistic philosophy; The Catholic Church and larger Christianity do not. We can see through history where each of those roads lead.

canuckistani| 2.7.12 @ 10:48AM

What about the Catholics who voted for an aggressive war, continue support for capital punishment or condone the continuance of the 2nd amendment like Santorum?
You have chosen to parse the teachings of the Church, thus you are open to criticism. If you want excomms handed out like lunch coupons, then broaden the net.

You also condemn good Catholics, who in good conscience, within the bounds of marriage have chosen to manage their families.

When 98% of American Catholic women have used some from of artificial contraception at some point in their lives, you suggest they are all worthy of excommunication?

When a "Catholic" run hospital employs people of all faiths and accepts federal dollars, then the law of land should apply.
If you have the guts, then also demand the urine testing of women in these hospitals for contraceptive hormones and determine to have them fired.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 12:26PM

War and Peace and not moral questions, but political matters. The Church has no official teachings on such matters, because they are not absolute moral questions. Yes, bishops (including the pope) have opinions concerning many things. But, the moral dogma of the RCC has been clear for 2000 years concerning abortion, and it has never condoned the use of artificial contraception. These prohibitions are beyond the political.

"When 98% of American Catholic women have used some from of artificial contraception at some point in their lives, you suggest they are all worthy of excommunication?"

The knowing use of artificial contraceptions is no different from any other sin.The Sacrament of Reconcilliation applies. The knowing use of abortafacient contraception leads to an automatic "excommunication latinae sentinae". The persons excommunicate themselves. The Church extends Christ's mercy in both cases. But, it in no way condones it. Sin is Sin.

"When a "Catholic" run hospital employs people of all faiths and accepts federal dollars, then the law of land should apply.

If you have the guts, then also demand the urine testing of women in these hospitals for contraceptive hormones and determine to have them fired."

The RCC is not in the business to turn anyone away from its hospitals. When a Catholic hospital accepts Medicare patients (the eldery) and Medicare patients (the poor) it is doing a work of mercy. In many if not most cases it looses money on these patients, as the federal governemnt pays less than 70 cents on the dollar. These hospitals make up the loss through donations from other Catholics. Essientially you advocate that the Catholic Hospitals must turn away the old and the poor. If this isn't pervesrse, I don't know what is.

The Church isn't in the business of checking its employees. If the women are using artificial contraception, that is between them and God. But, forcing the Church to subsidize what has always considered an evil is oppression pure and simple.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:14PM

Initially, I'd prefer that the Pope ex-communicate the numerous pedifile priests that are still within the ranks of the Church, and to delcare that thereafter any priests proved guilty of such behavior would be not only ex-communicated but reported to their local DA's office as well!!!!!!!!

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:33PM

Pope can't DO that without violating Church law. Which would excommunicate the true oracle of God... or whatever that stupid hat means.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:13PM

You don't WTF you're talking about, dipexcrement! Church law represents the Natural Law, which is the basis for man's laws. The Natural Law would demand it!!!!!

canuckistani| 2.7.12 @ 10:28AM

I hope Catholics rebel against the tyranny of Rome.
How dare you suggest otherwise.

pnmnm| 2.7.12 @ 10:58AM

There are plenty in the Catholic Church, such as Nancy P., Joe B., and Kathleen S., who are rebelling against the so-called tyranny of Rome. Methinks there are already too many.

SeymourGlass| 2.7.12 @ 11:05AM

Some of them did. They're called Protestants. The rest of us stayed with the Church.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:18PM

That's the problem with those that 'stayed with the Church'. If in their staying, they would have demanded collectively that the Church complete purge the pedifiles from their priestly ranks under paid of non-financial support futuristically, the Church would be much better off today!!!!!!!!!!

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:34PM

And WE outnumber YOU!

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:43PM

oh, no...you're not pawning Frau Blucher (WHINNY!!!!!), Jar-Jar Binks, and Seboolydrooly off on us; they're yours!

JP| 2.7.12 @ 12:31PM

Tyranny? Strong, if not bombastic words. Usually tyranny is reserved for regimes like we see in North Korea. The Pope has no armies, no police; it levies no taxes. But it does perform thousands of acts of mercy every day (go visit India or Niger). It clothes, houses, educates, and heals. But this Caritas flows from Christ. And it is Christ who transmits the Moral Law. It sounds like you have a beef not with Rome, but with Christ.

By-the-way, almost all Protestant Churches forbade the use of artificial contraceptions until very recently (1930). It wasn't the Church that changed, but everyone else.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 1:53PM

Canuck,
Do you think you could keep your opnions to just what happens north of the 49th parallell?
We don't tell you how to run your rotten healthcare system and we don't deny Canadians that come here for healthcare when they can't get it in Cananda.

fckewe| 2.7.12 @ 3:35PM

Is a blow job ATRIFICIAL contraception? It feels pretty natural when I get one.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:44PM

hahahaha...you wrote 'get' when you meant 'give'...

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:15PM

It is if Barney [Elmer Fudd] is on the receiving end!!!!!!!!!

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 3:50PM

Like the Inquisition?

TommyS| 2.7.12 @ 7:35AM

Adolph Hitler's "bologna principle" has become a part of our society/present administration. It goes like this: if you see a man carrying a stick of bologna and you want it run up behind him and cut off a slice. He won't say much if anything because he still has most of his bologna. Keep doing this until all of the bologna belongs to you and then the man will simply throw up his hands and give up. Re: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich.

That's the way obama works. Grab a little bit of our freedoms at a time until they are all gone and he is left as king/emperor.

Gary B| 2.7.12 @ 8:08AM

And Republicans in Congress have aided and abetted this process for decades. Example: The Patriot Act.

Republicans couldn't even muster the will to repeal the ban on incandescent light bulbs for God's sake. And we're supposed to think they'll honor their oath of office? Give me a break. Greater cowards have never walked the earth.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 9:32AM

Gary, the Democrats are Plato's "Republic" or More's "Utopia" with Philosopher Kings and Enlightened Princes. The Republicans are Hobbes "Leviathan."
All are socialist, execpt one believes in totalitarianism from a single benevolent ruler, while the other believes in totalitarianism through "statist" bureaucracy.
The Bushes are as much for Agenda21 "One World Government" that annuls property rights, as much as Obama and the Clintons.
When are people going to understand that it is not R v. D, or Red v. Blue? It is tyranny by the ruling class v. the rest of us.
This is why power must be returned to the people and the states. We do not win by handing the tyranny of the minority from Obama to Romney, or Reid to McConnell. We took the gavel from Pelosi and gave to Boehner, and he can't be found since he is too busy getting in his last insider trades before the curtain goes down.

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:42PM

Please excuse Plato's republic. Plato was an Idealist, quite different from the others who were materialists. Plato was talking about an individual.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 4:51PM

Pete:
Plato becoame the founder of the utopian, totalitarian, central planner school of social organization. No room for freedom in his Republic.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 7:39AM

Of course this has nothing to go with religious freedom and everything to do with equitable treatment of employees, many of whom are not Catholic.

Appleby| 2.7.12 @ 7:44AM

But the people who go to work for Catholic employers KNOW they are Catholic employers when they take the jobs, don't they? Nobody's forcing them to work for people who won't give them free abortions, sterilizations and birth control.

It's not Your Job. It's the Employer's Job, which he has given and which he can take away -- and if you don't like it, you are free to leave. So far.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 8:26AM

Many 'religious' badged organisations are major employers – eg universities and hospitals. Churches themselves are exempt, but there is no reason why a major employer should be. It is especially discriminatory against poor employees who would be denied a vital part of their gynecological care. And it only involves contraception - not abortion.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 9:21AM

Jack,
I don't know of any Catholic hospital, University, or school of any kind that doesn't have a chapel of some kind. That in itself makes it a church and that's where Catholics will win this battle. They will win it in other ways too. You're about to se all the Churches come together. Obviously you were asleep in 2010 when the sleeping majority started to awaken. That majority wakes up a bit more everytime the Communist in the White House pulls this kind of crap. We had all better get together now and beat this abuse by the government back now. All of us need to make sure that our pastor's, ministers, and such all get in on this one.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 9:54AM

Sadly you're just a religious fundamentalist - taking the side of a few old men in robes against the vast majority, including Catholics, who practise contraception. If this was an Islamic edict on millions of employees you'd be spewing bile higher than that geyser at Yellowstone.

Truth to Power| 2.7.12 @ 10:34AM

Stop trying to make me pay for your bedroom habits. You are like an invasive disease. Leave me alone.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 11:24AM

When it comes to religiona dn Gods word, I'll take being called a fundalmentalist as a compliment. God was and is the same, so should our beliefs be.

Bruce| 2.7.12 @ 10:33AM

Jack;
The employees had freed0m of choice when they took the job and knew what benefits they would receive (or were dumb enough not to ask about). If I were a Catholic individual, I would be upset being told that I had to buy insurance for something I didn't need or believe in. It would be like telling a single man or woman they had to buy a family policy just in case.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 11:30AM

No - it's about providing a standard, decent package for all employees, like others do. No one is saying that anyone has to use contraception, but many millions of Catholics do, so it's also grossly hypocritical.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 11:50AM

No, it isn't. It's about circumventing the Constitution in the name of "fairness".

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:29PM

It's about the GD government sticking its nose where it doesn't belong, period! If an institution has broken the law, then same whould be prosecuted, but just because it has accepted governmental financing does not therefore give the government to power or responsibility to coerce that institution to act in a certain manner or according to that government's rules [which is a form of corruption]. The government should instead withhold it financing to said institution because of same, and thereafter let courts decide the legality of the issue hearing both sides of the argument!!!!!!!!

George S| 2.7.12 @ 11:55AM

"Poor employee"? What, the employees who are not getting paid are being discriminated against vis-a-vis abortifacients? You ideology runs so deep it cannot even see an obvious contradiction.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 12:04PM

I don't understand your point. And it's contraception we're talking about.

George S| 2.7.12 @ 2:04PM

So someone who has a job cannot afford their own contraceptives? Actually, it's both contraceptives and contraceptives that is the issue. Attempting to deflect the implication of this trampling of religious freedom by saying what is the big deal about contraceptives is burying head in sand.

Where in our God-given freedom does the federal government have the power to determine what private and religious institutions choose to do that does not violate the civil rights of anybody? Seriously, denying free contraceptives is akin to civil rights violations? If that is the case, Jack, then please tell me ONE thing the federal government under ObamaCare will not be allowed to do? Just one thing.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 4:18PM

Grow up George. 28 states already mandate contraception in plans for all employers. This is not a communist/muslim/black/martian/palestinian/jewish/etc takeover (circle your favorite prejudice).

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:45PM

IT is statism.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 12:35PM

You've put the cart before the horse. Religious hospitals and universities were founded by either dioceses or religious orders. Yes, several are now secular. But, they no are longer affiliated with the Catholic Church. And those institutions have already secularized themselves long before Obama. For the remainder, they are still run by and managed by the Church (either through Bishops or Superiors). The Supreme Court just rendered an opinion last month which prohibits the federal government from defining who is a "religious" employer, and who is not.

Dmac| 2.7.12 @ 1:56PM

The supreme court also ruled that those religous institutions were not bound by certain employment requirements. Such as EEOC laws.

Jeremiah Smirking| 2.7.12 @ 7:51AM

Employment at Catholic institutions is voluntary. As is your stupidity and ignorance. I take that back. Your ignorance is probably invincible, which in the end might save you from hell.

Pax78| 2.7.12 @ 9:08AM

Because the right to FREE birth control, from prevention of conception up to an including killing the baby trumps an organizations freedom of religion and right to conscience? NOT! Buy your own birth control....its cheap and readily available or choose an employer who will provide it without violating it beliefs.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:36PM

TA DA! Finally, the one grain of truth I was looking for!!!

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:44PM

This "equitable treatment of employees is none of the governments business." Tell me when Obama gave special waivers to unions he was concerned about equitable treatment. This is an example of liberal double-talk.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:29AM

Exactly what did the waivers grant? contracts ALREADY IN FORCE. Just upholding existing law until those contract terms expire. nothing special there except legal precident! you pinheads will believe ANYTHING on Fox Fraud.

janet| 2.7.12 @ 8:17AM

As a conservative Catholic it is no surprise that the majority of Catholics DO VOTE DEMOCRATIC and overwhelmingly so. I cannot tell you how many sermons I sat through where our priest, a very traditional conservative who actually was an adult convert to Catholicism, extolled the congregation that to vote for a certain candidate (of course not naming party or name) would be violating many of the tenets of their faith yet these people voted for Obama. This has always shamed me as a Catholic and save for a few good Bishops, the majority of the American Catholic Church is corrupted. Why is it that the Kennedy, Pelosi, and Biden "Catholics" have not been ex-communicated yet?

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:43PM

If memory serves me, any church's minister/priest that proclamates its congregation concerning political matters is in violation of the federagl government's IRS tax rules; and as such is subject to having the tax-exept status removed [thereby causing a huge increase in their owed taxiation]. Sadly almost each/every church with the African-American community is partially guilty of this infraction no doubt today and should be investigated and charged as such by the government if so guilty [but my oh my that would be tremendous DISCRIMINATION, DISENFRANCHISEMENT, GENTRIFICATION, RACISM, etc]!!!!!!!!!!!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:37PM

Only the BLACK ones? Humn.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:21PM

I guess that why the rate of crime/prison incarceration within the black community is so low or non-existent [because of all that morality/religious/Bible teachings that are received within their dail/ weekly church attendances throughout this nation], huh??????

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:31AM

What about the latino prison population?

Bill| 2.7.12 @ 9:15AM

Meet Chicago Fueror:
Name: Barack Hussein Obama
Birthplace: Indonesia
Religion: Muslim
Highschool: Madrasa, Indonesia
Job: POTUS
Idelogy: Marxism
Mentor: Jeremiah Wright
Book: Rules for Radicals
Author: Salinisky
Party: Democratis Party
Full-time job: President
Part-time job: Fundraiser for DNC, ACORN, NAACP, ACLU, CAIR, SEIU, AFCMGE..............
Food: Whatever
Drinks: Ooops..................
Pop-singer: Lady Gaga
Pop-singer: Jay-Z
Favourite moment: When I defeated McCain in 2008
Terrible moment: the GOP revolt in the 2010 mid-term election
Sports: Golf (can't get enough of this!)
Leisure: Golf
When I'm on break: Golf
TV-Show: Golf Channel
Dream-boy: Tiger Woods
Need: Teleprompter
Love: All Blacks, all Latinos, Few Whites (union-thugs and those who contribute to my campaign), gays, lesbians, all Muslims
Hate: All Reublicans
Want: No Judicial and Legislative Branch, only the Executive Branch
Seek: More power, more authority, no opposition
Ambition: Amnesty for illegals, abolish the US Constitution, dismantle the military, unionize all public and private sector workforce
Wish: win the 2nd term

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:38PM

you invested a lot of time in this. C- Next time, show your work. (footnotes you imbecile!!)

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 9:29AM

Interesting how the Catholic Church and the Republican Party have much in common.
Both are feckless and weak. Both covet the perks of earthy power and will subordinate principles in order to maintain their slice of the pie.
Both will be crushed by the Muslim jihadist, and frankly, not a moment too soon.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 9:36AM

Anthony, If you are so "good" and strong, why don't you post your full name and address with a derogatory remark about Islam? Or are you too feckless and weak?

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 10:02AM

Why don't you VonMises, Jr? Seems to me my comment was not any different from your first post, so what's your problem?
I guess I hit a nerve with you, eh ? What's the matter, did I dropkick one of your sacred cows, clearly not the Republican Party?
Hmmm, that leaves the Church.
And if you're so damn offended, why don't you do something about how the Church has become a weak sister like the Republican Party, or are you afraid you'll be chastised in the confessional on Saturday?

W| 2.7.12 @ 10:29AM

So Anthony, are you a Democrat? What political party and religion are you with that matches your standards?

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 11:14AM

Wow, Anthony has a serious problem. I would be happy to discuss Arab (Moslem) culture with him.

Enough of that. What we are experiencing is the result of rejecting the search for ultimate Truth which has characterized Western Civilization for 2500 years. Once we abandon the search, we reject the concept that there may in fact be such Truth, thatTruth is a moral absolute in the world which we not only can define, but which we and our governments must maintain.

Rejecting absolutes leads us into the realm ofr moral relativism where the strong make the rules and where might makes right. How often do those of The Left tell us "It's the right thing to do"? All that means is that the rulers choose what our moral purpose may be and the rest are mandated to follow.

Whether the cause may be Equality, Global Warming, Redistribution or Abortion, the values are set by those in power not through adherence to individual conscience which Western Civilization has valued for so long. We saw the results of this process in both the French and Russian revolutions. I daresay that is not the example we should seek to emulate.

W| 2.7.12 @ 12:03PM

Al Adab
Perfectly stated.
It is difficult to follow the logic, if any, of some of these comments.
Did you like the Super Bowl? Glad the Giants won.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 12:52PM

Saw much of the game, purposly skipped the halftime show and according to records, when the NFC wins the Dow goes up. Might be good news for the coming year except that the market will soon start to decide the elections likely winner. That could result in great discounts like 2008.

Thanks for the comment, I hoped my post was clear. Sometimes I tend to get a bit verbose.

W| 2.7.12 @ 1:11PM

Al Adab
My wife watched Madonna, but I don't see the talent there. Looked more like an aerobics class.

Comment is very clear and not verbose. We have a similar interest, the stock market. I use mutual funds and some stocks. The facebook IPO will a good buy like Google.

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 12:00PM

Well, I'm no longer a Catholic, if you must know. I do attend a Protestant Church, now and then. I would say I'm a Diest.
If you read TAS with any frequency, my political views are not hard to discern.
As far as "my standards" are concerned, let's just say, you should be more concerned about the Catholic Church, and some other mainline Protestant denominations, as well as the Republican Party living up to their standards.

W| 2.7.12 @ 12:09PM

Anthony,
Democrats have controlled Congress most of the time since 1952, and we are living with the nanny state set up by FDR and LBJ, and with major additions of Obamacare.

The Republican Party has the House only, and Obama and the Dems were in total control two years. Further, the Dems control ALL the agencies and departments issuing regulations each day.

So what are you talking about, be clear, what does the Catholic or Protestant churces or Republican Party standards have to do with the government today?

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 12:54PM

Anthony, W:
Anthony has a point here. Many of us, myself included, have difficulty living up to our standards. That is why The Left has chosen to reject standards in favor of hedonism. It's a much easier path.

Purp| 2.7.12 @ 2:23PM

Unfortunately for America, during the last 40 years, Republicans have been President, which counterbalances any Democratic majority in either House of Congress. The shape the country is in today is a direct result of the policies of Reagan and his minions, Bush I and Bush II with whatever coercion they could use over the Democrats. Republicans created bubbles, which eventually burst, but GW Bush created multiple problems with the help of 6 years of complete Republican control of the White House, Congress and the Supreme Court. And the result ws that much more horrible - except for the 1%. They did pretty well in spite of America's middle class declining.
Now, since none of us are in the 1%, why would anyone support the Republican party that is demolishing the middle class and America along with it. The "Daddy" party is war friendly, compassionless for the underprivileged and really centered around creating a good life for the elected, connected and the 1%.

W| 2.7.12 @ 2:37PM

Welcome back, Purp, missed your litany of Republican sins.

Of course, all you give us is your opinion, or the Chucki Schumer/DebbieWassermanSchulz line, with no facts or analysis.

Purp, the 1% , like Buffet, Gates, Goldman-Sachs, the Hollywood crowd, and the rest of the parsites on trust funds like the Kennedys, vote Democrat.

Here are some facts:
There are two million fewer people working today than when Obama took office.

Obama added 5 trillion in debt in 3 years, it took the evil Bush eight years to do that.

Obma has escalated the war in Afghanistan.

Obama did not close Gitma.

The unmeployment rate is 8-10 % under Obama with people collecting 99 weeks of obama checks.

But your are right, Purp, this is all Reagan's fault. No, it is all the fault of Calvin Coolidge. No, it is all the fault of Abe Lincoln, the first Republican president. No, yesterday Obama said it is the fault of the founders who designed a constitution that won't let him be a dictator.

Purp| 2.7.12 @ 4:55PM

Oh, W, you're so funny. All the ills of the country were created the day President Obama took office, right?
But your numbers are a bit off. 8 million jobs were lost in the Great Recession or Great Depression II, whichever you prefer, with 4 million lost before and 4 million lost right after Obama became President. With 150, 000 new workers added each month for 36 months, clearly there are NOT 2 million less workers, but over 4 million new workers. Now, unemployment has been dropping since last summer and stands at 8.3% today, just about where Ronald Reagan sat in his last year of his first term. Ruh-roh, it's working. It's "Half-time in America" and the second half is about to begin" - Obama's second term.
As far as the rest of your list you like to spout -
- Osama Bin Laden is DEAD
- Iraq War is over
- Afghan War will be over next year
- Deficits don't matter - ask Mr. Reagan - he started it all.
As I said, you can track how income inequality has risen dramatically since Reagan's days, how the middle class has fallen and has stagnate wages and how the fall in the middle class tracks alongside the decline in union membership. Not that unions are a panacea, they have their issues, but they DO represent the workers against a management that simply wants the lowest wage worker with the least benefits to maximize their profits. Republican support of that idea has increased the decline of the middle class while increasing the 1% - the so called job creators - so where are the jobs, since even Romney says they are doing fine?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:36AM

Let's not forget to DELETE the 4 million baby boomers each year who RETIRE and are no longer looking for work!!! LMAO. it is the missing link, the difference between the 'REAL' #'s and the Reports. And it will continue for the next 16 years.

Aren't you sorry you bought all those unused, uncompleted, unnecessary weapons systems with the vouchers in the SocSec trust fund? We could REALLY use the cash in 18 years when the working base is HALF of what we need to support ourselves. FOOLS!

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:41PM

So lets get this straight. Reagan was the guy who brought us 18 percent mortgage rates, 16 percent inflation and 12 percent unemployment right?

W| 2.7.12 @ 4:47PM

Pete,
Congratulations, you are on your way to "think" like a lefty Dem. Reagan also caused global warming, global cooling, acne, and the common cold.

Purp| 2.7.12 @ 4:59PM

No, but he brought us the first big deficits and didn't care, union-busting and the decline of the middle class in favor of the modern "robber baron" - the 1%. You can look up all this information. It was an idea, and experiment tried and failed and America now gets it - well, most of America.
Adam Smith, Thomas Jefferson, Abraham Lincoln, hell even F. Hayek warned us about the concentration of wealth and the dangers that poses in a democracy where the influence of money can buy the government - we are seeing it today, at the expense of the rest of us 99%.

W| 2.7.12 @ 5:36PM

Union busting? The flight controllers were fired because they engaged in an illegal strike. Did the courts uphold or rescind the discharges?

Name a union tht Reagan "busted?"

Purp, for a union to be de-certified the employees have to vote to de-certify. I assume you do not know that since you just repeat the Dem line..

The Navy Seals killed Osama. Obama was playing golf when Panetta and Hillary made the decision.

The Iraq War is over because we left, not because we won.

The Afghan War will be over but we will not win. Obama will withdraw as soon as politically feasible for his election, which means all the casualties now are for Obama's campaign and not to win.

Maybe deficits did not matter when they were small compared to the GDP, but it surely matters now. 5 trillion in 3 years which means 13 trillion in 8 years (hope I did not lose your there Purp with the math). Obama is on pace to rack up 13 Trillion if we are stupid enough to re-elect him.

Where are you getting your employment figures? Please cite because you have a bad habit of Clintonitis.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:38AM

NO, that was FORD. Reagan set up the Savings and Loan collapse with one piece of legislation. Wiki the S&L crisis. I'm tired of doing homework for the AmSpectators. LOL

Bob Grant| 2.7.12 @ 5:49PM

Derp,

I do not welcome you back.

I do not miss your long, incoherent screeds that are reminiscent of Timothy Pennell, with a liberal twist.

Your posts makes me wish AmSpec impose a 140 character limit.

I see we have many more of your ilk today. Did you recruit your family to annoy good people of AmSpec?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:40AM

Considering the value of the content in your remarks, I think 6 characters should suffice.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 4:14PM

W, Anthony is a walking non sequitur with three, yes three graduate degrees. One is english, and we know neither of the other two is logic.
But he can write nonsense like nobody's business.

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 1:32PM

Anthony, It sounds like you have the same commitment to religion as you have to education. You revert to it in case of an emergency.

I know you are one of the moochers that looked for job security and fat benefits. I was a sales executive. And I know bullcrap when I hear it.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:47PM

okay, THAT'S IT!!!!! i'm turning this thread around and you can all just sit in your rooms and think about how you RUIN EVERYTHING!!!!!

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:47PM

okay, THAT'S IT!!!!! i'm turning this thread around and you can all just sit in your rooms and think about how you RUIN EVERYTHING!!!!!

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 11:49AM

Anthony, you keep talking about confession. Are you projecting? Guilty conscience?

The funny thing is that besides citing my sources such as Austrian Economist and financial sources daily that are educational, I have a blast watching liberals blow a gasket. You people have no sense of humor, and you are certainly without cheer or joy.
I have my wife checking on me to find out what the heck is so funny. It is amusing to get such good belly laughs while you and your "social justice" crowd get so mean and irritated!

VonMisesJr| 2.7.12 @ 12:00PM

BTW, Antonio.....I will be busy the next three hours listening to Rush. So educating you will need to wait, unless you tune in the the "Big Voice on the Right."

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:40AM

WHY did I know you warship the DRUG ADDICT!

SeymourGlass| 2.7.12 @ 11:08AM

Anthony: your point needs clarifying. Are you advocating for jihad?

Anthony| 2.7.12 @ 12:28PM

Seymour, you're quite right, as apparently, I've managed to come across to some posters as a member of the lefty social justice crowd.
How anybody who reads this site, and the posts, with regularity could come to that conclusion, is beyond me.
That said, my point about the Catholic Church and the Republican Party being crushed by the Muslim Marxist, had to do with their failure to stand for their principles, which, if they continue to capitulate, will lead to their, and America's ultimate demise.
I, in no way, am advocating for jihad, I am as solid a conservative as they come, I'm just projecting of what's to come if they don't develop some spine and stand up to the onslaught of leftism!!
If the Church and the R Party don't take a stand, then they have become essentially useless and deserve what's coming their way. That was my only point when I said " and not a moment too soon".

W| 2.7.12 @ 1:15PM

Anthony
Thanks for the clarification. With time restraints don't read all comments, so I was not sure about your politics. Agree we all have to take a stand.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:50PM

Partially correct, but you erroneously excluded the Democratic Party, which is composed entirely of CORRUPT DOMESTIC TERRORISTS. The DP's originators were long ago '... crushed by the Muslim jihadist.....' as you said!!!!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:40PM

And they BOTH cornered the markets of their day, hold inordinate amounts of raw materials, and consider themselves above the law. Wonder if there are as many pedophile Republican Priests (RED menace Elected officials and PAC contributors) as there are Catholic Priests?

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:25PM

Priests are mostly non-political, since their Catholic ministerial vows don't include that of Politics 101!!!!

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:41AM

WHOOOOSH! Right over your head olde... ZOOM!

Garymac| 2.7.12 @ 9:32AM

Quote correction. Diderot is quoted as saying "Men will never be free until the entrails of the last priest are used to strangle the last king."

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:42PM

A Friggin men!!!!! Hellhole to ya!!! My question is: When did the WASP's of the RED menace care a figfart about the Catholics?

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:43PM

EVER??????

spike59| 2.8.12 @ 6:20AM

when the secularists of the Left attack one group of Christians, they can expect a response from the rest of the Christian community

POST American| 2.7.12 @ 9:36AM

"---The Catholic church has been
entirely infiltrated since the 1950s."
-Malachi Martin

Judging by the NO SHOW of the
Roman church as such horrendous issues
as the deliberate GMO contamination
of the food chain and enviornment
----scarcely get a glance,
---OR---
the horrific power grabs of the UN and
Globalist 'visionaries' as they murder and expel
small farmers from their land in the name
of 'SSSS---US--stain--a--bill---'IT'--he'
---we'd have to say it looks like Martin
was right.

We even have the church quietly nudging the
agendas for world TOTALITARIAN authority
along.

Surely, anyone, anyone at all familiar
with scripture, and the fallen nature of
mankind ----could not possibly be
standing still for the cheezy and sleazy
vision of the trance-humanist EUGENISTS
and acturarial PSYCHOPATHS who stand
at the helm everywhere.

And then, afterall, again, the word games!
----a Pope who'se name was Rat--zinger,
now presides quieltly over all this with
---rechristened ---Benedict.

THOSE WITH AN EAR ----TAKE HEED.

Peppermint Tea| 2.7.12 @ 10:06AM

Hey Notre Dame,
Remember your fawning over the man-child POTUS as he came to tell you that abortion was a deeply spiritual decision and that we must respect each others views?
How does that taste now?

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:53PM

ND was long gone way before Obama's speech, as it is only within a long long line of ultra-liberal universities in this country!!!!

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 4:03PM

Like Peppermint Tea, or even better, PT.
It's always a pleasant and felicitous thing to respect another's views. Though why I mention that generally accepted commonplace in the AS's comments I can hardly say.

hunter| 2.7.12 @ 10:09AM

Seems I may have to reconsider that reincarnation does exist. We now have Dr. Kevorkian now only reincarnated, but multiplied as well.

Buck Ofama| 2.7.12 @ 10:23AM

this goddamned niggerc0cksucker.
and the worst part is that the public is either too stupid or too dependent to want anything better than this despicable pile of camel shit.

Bongo| 2.7.12 @ 11:46AM

Glad to see anything remotely questioning Israel get labeled anti-semitic, but crap like the above has no comments labeling it racist. Glad too see where the priorities lie on this board.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 11:52AM

Ignoring something is a sincere form of invalidation.

Bongo| 2.7.12 @ 12:07PM

Touche, Fair enough...

Buck Ofama| 2.7.12 @ 1:46PM

Ooooh, Buck typed "niggerC0cksucker". Ooooooooooooo, I'm so OFFENDED! What the fvck else could possibly be more important?

Go back to jerking off to a picture of Ovomit.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:44PM

you don't like getting a knob job from a black guy? Thought ALL you REDNECKS cherished your ... down low time.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:27PM

Nah, REDNECKS can financially afford whores for that!!!!!!!!

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:43AM

You mean Republicans PAY each other for that @ the Clan meetings in the Airport men'ss room?

spike59| 2.8.12 @ 6:19AM

would that be the Woo Tang Clan?

literacy is SO overrated, eh wot?

if the word you little 'mind' is struggling with is actually 'Klan", you might want to check at Democrat Party HQ; that's who started and maintained the Klan for decades...may i present the late Sen. Robert Byrd or the late Justice Hugo Black, prominent Democrat Klan Leaders?

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 4:04PM

Ah. And there we have it. Essence of AS.

Larry Lagrone| 2.7.12 @ 10:33AM

Friends, Republicans,Democrats, and journalists...lend me your ears!
Eight times in the Bible we are told to love our neighbour ... (one of the Bible's most repeated commands). You have come not to praise your fellow citizens, but to bury the hatchet in them!
Smarten up people: PLEASE stop judging the heart's of others...“Do not judge so that you will not be judged” (Matthew 7:1)
Are ANY OF US willing to be judged by the same standard of judgement by which we carve out the hearts of others???
Non partisan issue here...NO ONE except God knows the heart of another...not Republican, Democrat, journalist,garbage collector...oops, sorry: redundancy in words... (see how it feels?) Let's try loving our neighbour and praying for our enemies; you know, as Jesus COMMANDED us to do?!

Mike Hawk| 2.7.12 @ 11:12AM

You have seriously misread the message.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:45PM

He is DEAD on and all your prayer and supplication NOW, will not save your soul without complete repentance.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 11:38AM

Larry, none of us can know what is in the heart of another but we can judge their deeds unless you envision of a world full of slaughtered sheep as being a good thing.

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 12:45PM

I love the way he cherry-picks his verses. He may want to bone up on the ones referring to fighting evil and knowing them by their fruits...and if he can't see the difference, sucks to be him and he'd better wake up and trim that wick but quick.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 2:37PM

Important insights are left out of Christianity 101 Cliff notes....

Connor| 2.7.12 @ 10:05PM

Thank you Mark Antony. Perhaps we need some Classical political insight seeing as politics today only serve the politicians.

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 4:05PM

And there in humble Larry we have something rather fine.

Kingofthenet| 2.7.12 @ 11:08AM

"strangle the last priest with the "guts of the last king."

Sounds GOOD to me!

Mike Hawk| 2.7.12 @ 11:11AM

...and you shall meet your end at the same hands.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 11:15AM

To the Guillotine GO.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 11:58AM

But not without a good drop of malt first. I know a Catholic priest who has a good supply...

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 12:55PM

Jack:
Glenlivet 12 in my desk as we speak.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 1:13PM

Nah, Bushmills beats all.....top of the morning to ya!!!!!!!!

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 3:37PM

Famous Grouse.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 3:51PM

'Famous Grouse'

And apt label for Oldefarte.

Your Glenlivet now - that's class and my favorite.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 4:58PM

Well Jack we do agree on some things. Grouse is a good Irish and my favorite Scotch is Laguvulin.

Do you think our friend O/F grouses too much? I find his posts rather succinct.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 5:13PM

Lagavulin is an Islay - nice and I'm partial to peat but Speysides I find suit me best - finished an 18 yr Glenlivet last year. Actually the only one I have at present is half a bottle left of Oban, a 14 yr west coaster, which packs a real jolt.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 11:55PM

Not only do I complain and carp too much possibly, but I FART LIKE HADES also [especially when I'm loaded to the gills from Bushmill]!!!!!!!!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:58PM

Colt 45!!! really???? Obama would be SOOO proud of you for coming out! But, uhm.. Jack? isn't it warm in your desk? EWWWW!!!!

Buck Ofama| 2.7.12 @ 1:48PM

Not king-guts, but rope for the high priest.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 3:57PM

Strangle the last Republican with the entrails of themselves! Just line them up and gut the first one, choke out the second and gut him to choke the third... then toss the last on off the back of the boat and chum the waters to feed the multitudes on fish!!

Should we give RINO's a chance to repent?

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:50PM

not worried...first, you'd need to put down the Cheetos and step out of mommy's basement

spike59| 2.8.12 @ 6:14AM

not a surprising sentiment from a 'tolerant' progressive, lover of diversity in everything but thought, opinion, or belief

Bill| 2.7.12 @ 11:17AM

Obama is a MUSLIM!

Buck Ofama| 2.7.12 @ 1:49PM

Doesn't matter. What does count is that he is uppity and out of control.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 2:56PM

What matters is that he's president......and needs to be defeated in November!!!!!!!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:00PM

So, he's still smarter than you and always will be. Even in the afterlife! you DO realize that ALL Christians believe devoutly and completely in REINCARNATION!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:01PM

WHAT pray tell DO you think 'born again' MEANS?

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:51PM

what, pray tell, makes you think you're somehow unique in figuring that out? most Christian children have figured it out...want a participation ribbon?

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:52PM

what, pray tell, makes you think you're somehow unique in figuring that out? most Christian children have figured it out...want a participation ribbon?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:46AM

There are drugs for stuttering nowadays, but if you ever watched "one Flew Over The Cockoo's Nest", you know what you really need. A live girl who...

Ever notice how many 't's' there are in 'stuttering'?

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 11:33AM

Be it a political philosophy or religious one the central tenets of either must be defended in the bright sunshine of daylight if they are to survive over time. The oldest form of attack on both is to subvert them from within….

While not a Catholic my views on this matter are going to be particularly stinging to the faithful of the Catholic order because the “church” has long had a history of turning the other cheek to sinners within its own ranks. It has been virtually institutionalized in fact. The effect of having two different standards of behavior one for the church leadership and elected public figures who openly claim to be Catholics while doing the work of Satan and one for the rest has long been a sore spot with the faithful and not limited to the Catholic church alone.

Election after election exit polls show a large percentage of people claiming to be Catholics voting for the Democrat Party which has within its plank an open support for Abortion on demand and worse….If being a “good Nazi” and just following orders won’t work before God why should the “good Catholic” supporter of a political entity based upon the murder of the unborn in the pursuit of votes have any better standing than those that went along with the Nazis to get along….. we see that all the time in this Nation on many levels not just concerning religious matters.

At the end of the day, and we may be coming to that point in time, if the Catholic Church can’t find solidarity behind the more precious teachings of its founder and publically excommunicate those who publically support such measures and still call themselves Catholics then what purpose does the Church serve when it won’t stand behind that which it says it stands for? The gantlet has been thrown down so to speak.

At the center of this challenge is a question of religious freedom as it was understood at the Founding of this Nation. Far too many faithful have found favor with the practice of government stealing from on citizen’s “means” to provide for the “needs” of another and willingly forgotten that Christ held no such view. Marx however was kind of in favor of such measures. Now the dominate church of Christ finds itself on the receiving end of having to give from its “means” to buy the votes of all those that have lessor “means” and more “needs” than the Church….

I know the Bible, both old and New Testament speaks to this matter on many levels. The larger point here for all is simply this. If you aren’t willing to speak the truth to and about those that falsely carry your banner in public life you’ve already lost the decisive battle of the war.

Choose the light or the dark but don’t put hope in being able to stand in the shadows much longer……

“Ye shall know them by their fruits” You shall know them by their deeds…… indeed.

VBMax| 2.7.12 @ 11:44AM

Thom,
a very wise message you have posted.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 12:48PM

VBMAX.

The gates of Mordor are wide open for all to see… the Dark Lord has spoken; let his will be done….

All that remain is to separate the wheat from the chaff…..

We’ve been on this path for a very long time. All one has to do is just open their eyes wider to see what approaches…..in its full horror.

Sauron’s chief disciples were fallen earthly Kings……and Princes and Princesses…. Fantasy is born of half-truths and legends with a bit of imagination added in for spice. Unfortunately, the horrid truth stands before us every day and we deny its existence because we seek fantasy as a shelter from the ugly truth and can’t tell the difference any longer.

What is the phrase, “the greatest trick the Devil ever accomplished was to convince the world he didn’t exist”? The likely Republican rival says the Dark Lord is over his head, that he doesn’t mean the things he does…… yes he does and his supporters cheer by the tens of millions. From the ashes will rise the ultimate tyranny regardless of one’s religious or lack thereof beliefs.

I’m afraid it will take more than simply drawing a line in the sand…. The Dark Lord has eternal patience, something the fallen don’t have. For humans to overcome all the temptations put before them on a daily basis by our godless governments they must revisit their convictions and test them on an ongoing basis. Like the hair that falls off my body and into the drain with every shower the numbers remaining are diminished until the reason for their existence is forgotten in time. So goes it with the central tenets of our Founding as a Nation or the religious teachings upon which our government was based over 200 hundred years ago. The Founders were a diverse group of people with many profound differences of opinion but one thing they all agreed upon in the end was the need to limit government by men over men else all that they fought for was for naught. So goes our religious foundation, so goes that which has shielded us from the disparity of the rest of the world.

It always comes down to a choice between two options in life. Some seek compromise between that which will invalidate there being any real choice in order to be eaten last……

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 12:52PM

Excellent post, Thom. You have found the words that have been aching in my heart since I determined to get through all these responses. An indictment on all progressive Americans who would have their government 'do good'...in their stead. This Catholic saw it in the "Prayers of the Faithfull" and made me squirm with dirision. Karma truly is a (add your own expletive).

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 1:49PM

Brian,
There is a certain short list of tenets all mainline religions share that focuses on the Golden Rule.

Where dogma goes off the track is when it submits to the authority of the “state” in order to accomplish what some see as a shared goal. The “state’s” only means to accomplish its goals is to use force of some kind whereas the church has properly limited its appeal (mostly) to individual choice not submission to the brow beating of those with a gift of gab backed by the bigger sword. Fascism in its earliest form was from coalition between Church and State, the Catholic Church being one in the same at one time. The physical “church” is a creation of man and subject to all his imperfections.

There are many dogmatic differences today in the teachings of Christ but nowhere in Christ’s teachings is this thought found, “Blessed be those that rob the rich and give to the poor…”, “blessed be those that murder the unborn so that a life may be free from toll and bother of caring for the creation of God” and similar collective thoughts. Government is about force that must be limited given the nature of man. Fallen individuals are one matter for society at large to deal with but when their government is also fallen that is an entirely difference scale of problem.

A religious fraud stands before the world for all to see in the White House and millions cheer him on. You don’t really have to be religious at all to see the truth of the matter here but you do have to be honest to yourself about that which you wish to stand for.

God gave us free will; Christ ask us to choose not submit. Whose banner do those that ask us to submit march behind? Even an atheist can answer that one if they are honest with themselves. It is only a short distance from bending over to being on all four like a sheep….

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 3:19PM

Being 'honest' with one's self...hmm. I wish I had a nickel for every time "That's not fair" has been uttered in a schoolyard, or by a childish liberal.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 8:06PM

Probably one of the hardest task a human being can undertake is being honest with themselves.....about who they really are.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:09PM

Excellent interpretation! Tel Me oh Wise scholar of both ancient texts... WHAT did Jesus DO with the gold from the moneychangers in the Temple?

By the way, Jesus fed the multitudes on faith alone and if the rightgeous shall never go hungry, WHY are all those holier than thou Republican's such greedy little cunts? I mean, IF their faith is strong, surely they will be clothed as the birds and fed as well without concern. Surely the do NOT NEED special tax exemptions for their multiple homes and boats and 'carried interest'?

Unless they TRUELY do NOT believe that GOD provides for them, and them must cheat and steal and legislate and manipulate and loophole away their fortunes. I mean THESE are the REAL cameljockeys here, with caravans of unregulated derivatives that won;t fit through the eye of a needle.

Thom| 2.7.12 @ 8:04PM

Despite your cynical sarcasm there is probably still hope for you but it is after all a personal choice to be a cynic and see life through that narrow dark lens. As for what Christ did with the “money” you presume a great deal about which you already have shown you know absolutely nothing about or care too. There is still time to choose a different path but don’t expect someone to lead you there against your will…..

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:51AM

Sorry you can't answer the Question Oh Great Wise One.

You also can NOT explain why the Righteous Republicans that fight for embryonic rights will so eagerly swindle his living, breathing brothers, deny children sustenance and education while all their needs wold be met by GOD if they were TRUELY Devout.

Give it a whirl Thom. You seem like a bright boy. At least you cut an paste well.

David T| 2.7.12 @ 11:35AM

In the Matt Laurer pre-Super Bowl interview, Obama admitted that the "Founders designed a system that makes it more difficult to bring about change that I would like sometimes." Obama is a tyrant.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:11PM

That's a huge leap, don't your groin muscles ACHE when you stretch your tiny little truth that far?

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:53PM

and, what, pray tell, causes your fascination with the groins of strangers? mommy banished you from her dressing room?

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:51AM

NO, she let Me watch!!!!

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:52AM

My sister and I would both stay up late with popcorn , smothering each others giggles!!

George S| 2.7.12 @ 12:06PM

Catholics cannot be given a religious exemption...

... but unions and other powerful Democrat allies can be given waivers.

That is all you need to know. All other arguments as to the degree of purity of Catholicism to warrant such an exemption is all hot air.

Also, we find virtue in Christians giving up some of the church tenets -- Catholics are still Catholics if they support abortion, pre-marital sex, contraception, etc.

But do we require Muslims to give up some of their tenets so as to assimilate with Western Culture (i.e., American citizenship)? F**k no, we even set them up with Sharia courts and enshrine them into law.

Don't tell me there is not an all out war against our individual sovereignty.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 12:43PM

I think your critical faculties are shot George. Catholics have been given a religious exemption where they run churches and religious institutes. But giving an entire hospital or university where many people from different backgrounds are employed an exemption is absurd.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 1:00PM

So, I take it that you are in favor of Catholic institutions hiring only Catholics; I take it you are also in favor of Catholic hospitals only treating the rich (Medicaid and Medicare patients are vorbotten according HHS).

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 1:42PM

Read this article in the HuffPo and I think you'll be better informed:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/.....58868.html

JP| 2.7.12 @ 2:36PM

Jack,
I read the post at Huffpo, and the author is dead wrong. The example she gives of her female cousin ignores the point that her cousin was already knee deep in mortal sin by committing fornication. Asking Fordham University (a Jesuit institution) to aide and abet in her cousin's sin is a bit much. If Fordam does act as an accessory to the sin, then the university makes a sham of its religioua mission and bring judgement upon it.

Pope Paul VI warned about just this thing in Humana Vitae some 40 years ago. The author's unfortunate cousin is a victim not of the Church, but of a society that celebrates hedonism at no cost.

Finally, the auhor wrote this gem,

"If an informed Catholic woman does not believe that she should be taking birth control, she shouldn't and doesn't have to. But that does not mean the option should be unavailable to others. To further illustrate the point, the Catholic Church has established policy (referred to as "indirect or remote cooperation") to address precisely this sort of issue."

She is obviously in way over her head, or she is actively giving evil counsel. I'm not sure what school of theology she actually studied at (if any), but remote the idea of "remote cooperation" does not give the laity the ability to reconstruct thier own table of Good and Evil. The Church has taught that individual sin is just that. There is no such thing as "collective sin". Paying taxes to support a war that some priests or bishops disagree with has never been deemed a sin. The author makes so many theological errors with the above statement that it is easy to lose count. To put it simply, a person who uses artificial contraception has committed Grave Sin (an individual sin). No amount of theological gymnastics can remove that reality. The author, Marjorie Cliffton, is not the Magestirium. And perhaps if there were less people like her spouting heresey, there would be fewer young women getting themselves into trouble.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 4:10PM

Your hardline approach doesn't play with today's young Catholic women though, does it. I see that Fordham students were recently protesting at the lack of contraception services, while this blogger seems to have 'remote cooperation' taped:

'Paying for health-insurance that includes contraception coverage does not amount to formal material cooperation with evil because an employee may or may not take advantage of the benefit — and the act of using artificial contraception is something an employee could engage in with or without health insurance. Rather, when a Catholic institution pays for health insurance that includes birth control, it is remotely cooperating with evil. Remote material cooperation is permissible when there are proportionate reasons. Providing health care for someone who could not get comparable coverage as an individual on the open market (and at this point an individual could not) is sufficient reason to freely and remotely cooperate with evil.'

http://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/?p=16859

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:36PM

Well, why can't these women just go buy their own contraception? Why must they drag their own religion through their choices? This is the problem of secularism, which you seem to ignore.

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 5:04PM

Without the welfare state Pete, there would be no moral dilema involving taxpayer funding which violates the conscience of so many. Gosh, a definition of tyranny, forcing many to violate their conscience in the name of higher principles.

JP| 2.7.12 @ 6:05PM

Jack,
By offering artificial contraception in its insurance plans, the Church by its own definition is cooperating with evil (taken right from the Cathechism of the Catholic Chuch and not from Leftish Commonweal). You should remember that when an organization buys coverage, they pay for at least of all premiums. And the moment one purchases contraception and uses it, the Church is an accessory to the Sin. There is no thing as proportinate reasoning when it concerns grave sins such as abortion.

Again, there are things that the Church considers intrinsictly evil. Abortion and Contraception are two examples. And by Church definition, something that is instrinsictly evil can never be rationalized. Again, refer to the Cathechism of the Catholic Church.

Nick| 2.7.12 @ 7:12PM

Jack Moscow,

"Your hardline approach doesn't play with today's young Catholic women though, does it."

Tell that to my sisters, Jack. One had her EIGHT child a little over a year ago. Or, my other sister, who we just found out is going to have her FIFTH.

The are plenty of Catholic women out there who are obeying what Christ taught. The liberals, who claim that they are Catholic, don't reproduce!

Becca| 2.11.12 @ 4:10PM

Yes indeed. In time it'll be the State's task to hang the heretical little sluts. Or at least lock them up in prisons run by demented nuns, as they once did in Ireland.
Jesus would have it so.

George S| 2.7.12 @ 2:16PM

Just to be clear: if a woman cannot afford contraception, then the exemption is necessary. But what if that woman suspects that her birth control entitlement failed and now wants an abortifacient? Would you tell her too bad -- we already paid for your contraception. You are now on your own to purchase the morning after pill.

What is the substantive difference?

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 3:09PM

Again, the issue should be the CORRUPTION of governmental intrusion into the operations of a private institution. Assuming said institution has not violated any laws, just because it accepts governmental financing should not grant said government dispensing the financing the political power to manage this private institution. If laws containing such allowances for the dispensing government to intrude into the management of said private institution, then the legal court system should decide the issue. If a court decision proves adverse to the private institution, then private capital should be sought to replace the governmental financing!!!!!

Al Adab| 2.7.12 @ 5:04PM

Gentlemen: in re: contraception, one could simply keep ones knees together.

Oldefarte| 2.7.12 @ 5:33PM

The forced contraception of DUCT TAPE works fairly well also !!!!

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:13PM

Church run churches and charities like ST. Vincent de Paul are completely tax exempt. My brother did their books for almost 30 years.

Pete| 2.7.12 @ 4:38PM

What is absurd is the free service. It has NOTHING to do with health. They can go buy their own pills.

Jack London| 2.7.12 @ 5:17PM

The contraceptive pill is prescription only and requires a medical consultation and a decision on which type of pill, which can be up to $50/month. It's not like buying a condom.

hehehe| 2.8.12 @ 1:53AM

What are the waivers for? For contracts already in force. the New contracts must comply.

tadcf| 2.7.12 @ 1:08PM

We are the only country in the industrialized western world where religion makes a difference in politics. This fact puts us in the same league as Third World countries.

Brian Mc| 2.7.12 @ 3:22PM

Your 'fact' is arguable to some. Me? I humbly bow to your elitist insight.

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:49PM

well, that, plus the fact that we've managed to elect an utterly incompetent assclown as Chief Executive

spike59| 2.7.12 @ 4:49PM

well, that, plus the fact that we've managed to elect an utterly incompetent assclown as Chief Executive

davelnaf| 2.7.12 @ 3:39PM

The Bamster and his minions tossed out this bomb ahead of time to allow the emotional noise to die down to where it’s, hopefully, just an irritating little background thing by Election Day--it takes a lot of arrogance connive at this level. Every important decision these people make is weighed as to how it will impact their slow motion coup of the US government. They have a timetable: they have to get certain things done by a certain time, as in condition people for their next radical move--or they could have a rebellion on their hands at some point. So far, in Phase One we’ve gotten Bamster lite; if voters foolishly give him a Phase Two we will get a far more radical version of Obamism. I hope the Republican nominee stresses this often enough in the Final Two debates.

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:22PM

Obama should just open the next to last debate with a brief statement about the reality of PAC dollars and advertising and just say this: "Friends, we have endured together, and survived the devastation of a decade of Republican policy. NO matter the dogma or it's messemger, the result will be the same.

You have given the Republicans the House, which controls the whole of the financial agenda of YOUR nation. You have watched them time and again stonewall and obstruct the operation of YOUR country. So I will ask you to think for yourselves, pray if you will upon this election.

Think of your children and ask your soul if you want them to experience the tumult and torment of the Bush Recession. Ask your self if you are healed from what 2007 and 2008 brought you. Ask yourself if you can trust those who created your misfortune through greedy oversight and neglect of their sworn duty to you. Ask not what you can do for your country, ask WHO did this to your country and WHO has brought you back from so deep in the hole to square one?

Where do you want to take your children from here? Back to 2008? or Forward to 2016?

Diogenes!| 2.7.12 @ 4:27PM

Oh... Sorry... Then he should just shake Romney's hand and leave the stage, never say another owrd about the election except, "I trust the American people to do what is best for them and their children." he should ask that ALL the PAC dollars be donated to the American debt and forfeit his salary for the same purpose... LOL along with 4 more years of Presidential salary.

if Mitt doesn't pump 80 million into the deficit treasury the very next day, America will know his heart. If He puts up ONE ad, negative or positive... America will know his heart. If any RED menace candidate does NOT do the same, America will know their heart... and vote their own conscience for the first time in more than 50 years.

Garfield| 2.7.12 @ 4:45PM

This is why Romney cannot be the nominee, cause Romney did the same things Obama is doing.

Timothy L. Pennell| 2.7.12 @ 5:14PM