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What Obama Really Said Last Night

By John R. Guardiano on 12.2.09 @ 6:07AM

Fine, I’ll be commander-in-chief if I have to, but you must realize that that is not my primary responsibility.

Last night, President Obama delivered an historic speech to the nation and to the world on his plans for Afghanistan. Here, in sum, is what the president said:

I really don’t want to be commander-in-chief, but I’ll do it if I have to — at least for a little while, and then we’ll see. Just so long as it doesn’t cost too much, or take too long, or interfere with my plans to nationalize healthcare and fundamentally change America.

We Americans didn’t ask for this war; and God knows I didn’t either. But I’ll certainly make sure we end this war, and soon. I have bigger fish to fry, after all. This war is a distraction from my domestic left-wing agenda and my need to bring “change” to America.

So Afghanis, get your act together. We’ll help you for the next 18 months or so and then we’re hightailing it out of here. I have to worry about other threats and other dangers. And, most importantly, I have to worry about healthcare and “change.”

Yes, I know our soldiers and marines inspire confidence, while conveying an indomitable can-do spirit. But chalk that up to the naivety of youth.

I myself never served in the military, but let me tell you: These guys — and especially the marines — are a little nuts. I mean, they’re all volunteers; they all believe deeply in America — and in America as it is, and not in America as I will soon remake it — and they all have this touching but wild-eyed optimism in America’s ability to change the world.

But hey, I’m the president. I can’t be swayed by the young idealists and optimists who enlist in and join the U.S. military. And you Afghanis shouldn’t take our young people too seriously either. I don’t care how much they help you and how much you come to like and admire them. They’re all (well most of them anyhow) callow youth who fail to see the bigger picture.

The reality is that America can only do so much. Never mind that we put a man on the moon. Some things are just beyond our capacity; and helping your government and your people enter the 17th Century may be more than we Americans can handle. It’s certainly more than I want to handle. What can I say? Life’s tough. Deal with it.

Anyway, I have to get back to healthcare and domestic change. As I say, you have 18 months. Use it and lose it, Mohammed. Hopefully that’ll be enough time for things to work out in your favor. If not, well, I’m sorry. At least everyone will know that we tried, and I can escape blame for losing. Later.

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John R. Guardiano blogs at www.ResCon1.com, and you can follow him on Twitter: @ResCon1.

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Appleby| 12.2.09 @ 6:48AM

I did not watch this speech, chiefly because I am already overwhelmed by problems of my own and nothing Zero says will make a bit of difference until he triggers global Armageddon which at this point would almost be a relief.

However, this translation fits with everything else he has said, and God help us, every one if he manages to carry it out. Giving a timetable of 18 months to people who think in thousands of years is yet another indication that this pale copy of a 1968 university student is trapped in his Sophomore year and he will never know what hit him when it does.

Gerry| 12.2.09 @ 7:19AM

I agree Appleby... The Taleban simple has to do an IED war for 18 months.. game over.

James| 12.3.09 @ 4:07AM

Nothing anyone on this site has said so far contradicts the thus-far proven theory that nationbuilding doesn't work. Didn't in Vietnam, isn't working in Iraq (which will destabilize due to Iranian influence the minute the US drops out), and won't work in Afghanistan. It's game over no matter what the US does, unless it wants to spend half its GDP there.

Want to know what happened to the first European army which tried to conquer Afghanistan?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Afghan_War

In one expedition, 16,500 men went in, one came out.

Danger| 12.3.09 @ 9:01AM

James,

I guess Japan and Germany don't count.

Ray| 12.3.09 @ 10:17AM

Nor does Guam, the Philippines, South Korea, or even America, for that matter. NONE of this matters t liberals who continually let Ideology trump history.

Margie| 12.3.09 @ 1:40PM

Not to mention that we lost in 'Nam because we PULLED OUT.
It's because of the Leftist/Libby politicians that didn't have the will to fight!

perlhaqr| 12.4.09 @ 10:32AM

Japan and Germany fall under the "unless it wants to spend half its GDP there" clause. They were also first world countries to start with.

Guam, the Philippines, and America were all colonization efforts. Which is how they achieved the cultural shift necessary to leave the 14th century behind and become advanced civilisations.

You may have a good point about South Korea, I don't know enough about the history there to comment.

But we're not colonizing Afghanistan (who would want to?) so we're not going to be able to achieve the sort of cultural shift needed to "nation build" there into anything that we actually want to share a planet with.

And frankly, I don't think it's worth spending the money and the men to give them the trappings of democracy if they don't have the cultural background to make it meaningful.

And since I think our solution should have been to pitch nukes at AQ training camps on the 12th of September, I'm afraid you're going to have to actually address my points instead of simply smearing me off as a "liberal".

Tom in Michigan| 12.4.09 @ 3:55PM

An ignorant comment. We did not go into Afghanistan to conquer but rather to drive out an enemy who had attacked the United States through their proxy. The Vietnam War was won; we never lost a major engagement, Tet destroyed the Viet Cong as an effective fighting force; intensive bombing drove the North Vietnames to the negotiating table where a peace was negotiated and the South Vietnamese were securing their country until the Democrat-led Congress withdrew their financial support; despite President Ford's pleas not to do so after which the North Vietnamese violated the terms of the treaty (proving the fallacy of relying on negotiations alone when dealing with Communists or other evil enemies). Nation building worked just fine in Germany and Japan because the United States had the courage to defeat them utterly while our current "leadership" is "uncomfortable" with the concept of victory. Let's just keep repeating the facts whenever this tripe reaches the forum.

Jinger Jarrett | 2.11.10 @ 3:10PM

Keep telling the truth. Let's not forget to mention the US media's part in this. The US military didn't lose the war. It was those traitors in the media.

On another note, this "translation" of the Obummer speech really hits the mark. How's that hope and change working for you now? LOL

Davidus | 12.2.09 @ 7:31AM

I was not going to watch the speech but curiosity killed me. I was not disappointed. He started with a history lesson so he could blame everyone else. He couldn't resist calling Islam one of the world's great religions. Then he rambled on and on without saying anything of substance until finally the speech ended. It was a masterful performance.

WolfHawke | 12.2.09 @ 2:29PM

I'm not surprised about the Islam comment, seeing he said this to the Turkish Parliament this summer: "The United States has been enriched by Muslim Americans. Many other Americans have Muslims in their families or have lived in a Muslim-majority country -- I know, because I am one of them. (Applause.)" (from White House web site at http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_.....arliament/)

Many of my Turkish acquaintances take this as Obama admitting to being a Muslim himself. Hm.

philhoey| 12.2.09 @ 8:41AM

I totally agree. As usual he said nothing of substance, and as usual seemed to be more focused on himself than the Nation. I seriously don’t think that his brain has moved beyond ‘community organizer’ mode.

West Texan| 12.2.09 @ 6:38PM

"...this pale copy of a 1968 university student is trapped in his Sophomore year..."

Good one. I have likened him to a precocious and spoiled ten-year-old, but this is much better.

Stephanie| 12.2.09 @ 6:54AM

Appleby,
I hope your life settles down and things fall back into a peaceful place.
His speech was defensive and full of mixed lame messages. What a marooooon. You are always right on the money when it comes to this idiot in the White House. Indeed, God help us all.

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jim02351| 12.2.09 @ 7:46AM

I didn't find if defensive at all. It was totally offensive but BS usually is. Should we take over both sides of the Congress in 2010, and I pray that we do, I intend to yell for his impeachment. Nixon and Agnew were forced out of office for less than what Obama has done.

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The Bishop| 12.2.09 @ 7:57AM

I did watch the Palaverer-in-Chief's speech last night and Guardiano's translation was spot on. I can only imagine what goes on in the minds of the boots on the ground when they consider that the orders come from this Military Bad Boy. God have mercy on us!

melvin| 12.2.09 @ 7:57AM

God helps those who help themselves people. I will not stand for this defeatist mindset. I'll fight this Putz in every way I can, I'll encourage those who feel that they are helpless to do anything in this situation.
I for one will not go willingly to board the trains to the re-education camps. I'll fight Reid, Pelosi, and the rest of the political jackals who are intent on having their way with us.
I am an individual dammit! And I will not succumb to the collective mindset of a bunch of aging hippies who want to put us in a commune. They can take my money, they can take my house , they can take my few meager worldly possessions, but they cannot take my mind and that is my greatest weapon and they know it, and this is what they wish to control.
Remember people "UNITY NOT DIVERSITY"

LBArmyWife| 12.2.09 @ 7:59AM

Well written and spot on. My husband and I both were not surprised by the content, this is pretty much what we expect from our community organizer in chief. Since he can't rally the tribal regions together to demand affordable housing and welfare, he really has no idea what to do.

Small peeve, the 'Afghani' is the local currency, the populace should be referred to as the 'Afghans.'

ds80| 12.2.09 @ 9:10AM

LB: we're greatful for your husband's service and your sacrifices as a military wife.

Methinks Guardiano intentionally had LOLBama using 'Afghanis' vice 'Afghans'. After all, he is just a community organizer, the term is probably not in Rules for Radicals, and I daresay J. Wright never mentioned it.

ds80| 12.2.09 @ 9:11AM

grateful, too :-)

Roger| 12.2.09 @ 9:41AM

Don't blame "Obamanation" for the 'Afghani' goof, you must blame the teleprompter and Bush.

Charles Martel| 12.2.09 @ 3:28PM

I wonder whether it bothers them that "Afghan" is also a breed of dog.

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GrZmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 8:33AM

I think it was defensive - particularly the first half.

He certainly gave it through gritted teeth. Like telling your crazy, alcoholic aunt that you liked her Christmas gift, even though it was a toddler's toy and you're an adult.

But what struck me the most was that he was boring. VERY boring. I felt he was hectoring in the first half - over-compensating for the benefit of those who find his war footing squishy, and just droning in the second half in a subconscious effort to disassociate himself from that whole “commander in chief” thing.

Nor was it well written, well delivered or particularly memorable in any way.

It gave me some optimism - because this president's only real asset - his magic wand - is his supposedly mesmerizing speaking style and his unbounded charisma (which I have never personally witnessed).

Neither was in evidence last night, and surely even the most craven of sycophants must be noticing the emperor's lack of clothes.

Maybe some of them - in the media and among the hordes - will take the stars from their eyes and begin to see this droning, depressing, pedagogical, immature, resentful, narcissistic, pedestrian, uninformed, ignorant ideologue for what he really is.

A droning, depressing, pedagogical, immature, resentful, narcissistic, uninformed, ignornat pedestrian ideologue.

Carpenter| 12.2.09 @ 8:56AM

Did you forget "fraudulent" and "dishonest"?

John II| 12.2.09 @ 1:58PM

Grzmlyk: Don't you mean "pedantic' rather than "pedagogical"? And I think you may have left out "self-aggrandizing" and "pompous."

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 7:34PM

Let's not forget ugly and smelly, with reeking halitosis, persistent and explosive flatulence, and armpits so hairy it looks like he's got Bob Marley in a headlock.

Prescott| 12.2.09 @ 7:57PM

Not to mention solipsistic. A sophist too, come to think about it.

jd| 12.2.09 @ 8:36AM

Everytime I hear this guy talk I'm baffled why some call him a great orator or worse an "intellectual". He has no strategic understanding of complex security and military issues. He thinks global climate change is more important then fighting for our security interests in the region. How else can you explain his setting a date to get out? I am so offended that this buffoon is the leader of our military that I think I'm just going to take a reprieve now and read People magazine.

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Inge| 12.2.09 @ 8:40AM

'Hate' is a very strong word; I try my best not to hate. I simply can't stand the man, and everything he, and his heffer of a wife stand for; they think they live large, and in charge.
I do hope that America really wakes up, and get rid of this charlatan, and his current crew.
Many soldiers will die as a result of his doublespeak, and typical anti-America attitude.
This guy will do everything he can to stay in power, even if it means losing the war. It's in his blood. There is no question in my mind that he does not do anything to advance America's goals, he works against it day in, and out. Who he really is for only he knows, but one thing is certain; he will be unmasked some way. Evil always has a way of surfacing, in the most inopportune time.
I have faith!

Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 8:48AM

I agree, jd: People fall all over themselves to skewer Bush and Palin about their supposed stupidity (which is patently untrue), and yet those same supposed elitists praise Obama's "brilliance" to the skies (as they did with similar dim bulbs John Kerry and Al Gore). I sure as hell don't see it. At best he's facile, like all third rate sociopaths.

His understanding of virtually everything is one-inch deep. Scratch the self-satisfied surface and you got a whole bunch of nihilistic nothing. The one thing that is evident is that he doesn't like to have his ideology muddied by anything like complexity or detail or facts.

It just goes to show you how insidious affirmative action is - because if Obama were white, with his skill set, he never would have gone to Harvard and Columbia, he never would have been elected a state senator in Illinois, and the closest he'd have come to the Presidential nomination would have been as an alternate usher at the convention.

Had Obama been white, he'd have wound up in a job commensurate with his abilities: Customer service Manager for some harried, fly-by-night cell phone company.

freedomfirst| 12.2.09 @ 10:07AM

Right on....I see him selling computers at Best Buy. But how to get him out of there when he and Holder can keep Acorn in control of the voting rolls....I read this site to keep me from despair. Thanks.

luvmyhubby| 3.10.10 @ 3:44AM

Hey! Please don't say you see Obama selling computers at Best Buy. That's an insult to my son who sells computers at Best Buy - Obama is nowhere near the man my son is in intellect and character.

VinnieCCT| 12.2.09 @ 7:20PM

Obama is white.

bill carson| 12.2.09 @ 8:53AM

Only in America could a messiah like Obama announce that we're running for the exist in 18 months, just in time to placate his base for the 2012 election--and people by the millions believe that every word out of his mouth is totally sincere. As a country, we deserve every beating we will get by handing over all the political power in this country to Democrats lead by such a man as Obama. Yuk!!

Timothy L. Pennell| 12.2.09 @ 8:56AM

No surprises. I didn't watch President Poser. Didn't need to. I KNOW who, and what he is. Espescially where the ARMED FORCES are concerned. "They make good props", don't ya know.
He blamed the previous Administration. That's what children do. They BLAME other people. ADULTS get things done. ADULTS take responsibility. ADULTS keep their word. This little boy does none of these things. And where these Wars are concerned, why would he? He's learned well from his Teachers. John Marshall Davis: COMMUNIST. Jeremiah Wright: WHITE HATING, JEW HATING, AMERICA HATING Pastor: MARXIST. William Ayers and Bernadine Dorhn: ANARCHISTS, TERRORISTS, BOMBERS OF POLICE STATIONS, RECRUITING OFFICES, and the PENTAGON. Rasheed Khalidi: PLO TERRORIST, AMERICA HATER, and all around JEW KILLER.
He doesn't care about the Troops. Why would he? He HATES them. His HATRED for them is ingrained on his soul. He's spent his entire adult life HATING THEM. He hates the COPS. He hates the BOY SCOUTS. The AMERICAN LEGION. The VFW. And who does he love? The UNIONS. The RADICALS - (ACORN) - The SOCIALISTS and the MARXISTS. The MAOISTS. The ANARCHISTS. He LOVES the MUSLIMS. HIS WHOLE FAMILY IS MUSLIM. He is a MUSLIM BY BIRTH. They want to run around and kill the Jews and the Gentiles? He's fine with that. Read his books. Look at who his friends are. See who he fills his Administration with.
So why would he want to go out of his way, to stop a bunch of Arab Taliban Guys, from doing the same thing, that he's trying to do here? Remember, it's the CONSTITUTION that he has a problem with. NOT the Muslim Psycho Butchers.

MTB| 12.2.09 @ 4:28PM

I agree, Timothy. When my son was a teenager, I learned very quickly that he was who he hung around with, who his friends were. He did what they did, said what they said, behaved as they behaved. This president is Rev Wright, Bill Ayers, Saul Alinsky, Khalidi but, like a teenager, he wants us, the American people, to believe "no, I'm not like that. Trust me, I'm for hope and change. I want America to be better. I'm for the poor and underprivileged," when in reality he hates this country and all it's stood for for over 233 years. He and his handlers basically lied and deceived the American people to win their votes.

Louis Jenkins| 12.2.09 @ 8:58AM

If I were in the Afghan army or police, after Obama's speech, I'd be looking for a way out too! "Hey you Taliban guys, Mercy!" I'm just one of you. Can't beat 'em, Obama said so, so I'll just flip sides.

The critics and history buffs have been proven right. Can't win in Afghanistan, but this time, despite the past efforts and coming build-up of the servicemen and women who do their duty, it's a lukewarm leader's attitude of committment that will allow history to repeat itself. There was no iron in Obama's speech.

Carpenter| 12.2.09 @ 9:10AM

Gerry, you're so right!
Obama's message as interpreted by the Taliban: keep your heads down, keep the IEDs coming so we all know you're still out there. A year from now, the drift of allegience by the tribal warlords and poppy-farmers to the Taliban will be pronounced, and the obvious consequence of a pullout by the US will be a win for Islamists, terror, the heroin trade, and of course the Taliban themselves. Obama, in announcing his strategy, enables our enemies.
West Point cadets, having taken Tactics 101, will recognize this for what it was, hence the underwhelming enthusiasm for his lame speech.

jd| 12.2.09 @ 9:10AM

Grzmlyk,

I just want to tell you that I've read your posts on AS and really like your writing style, sense of humor, and dead-on analysis of issues. You can cut to the chase and see through the BS which is not apparent to all. If I weren't happily married, I'd be in love with you!

Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 9:14AM

jd, you brought a blush to my cheek, a quickening of my pulse and a BIG smile to my face.

One word: Divorce.

I jest. Thank you mucho - the feeling is mutual.

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Jim O'Brien| 12.2.09 @ 9:19AM

Obama's "strategy" is to lose. It is immoral to send men to war unless the objective is total victory. Americans should stop volunteering for the military. Obama and members of Congress should go risk their own lives instead.

Lazy Jack | 12.2.09 @ 9:30AM

What he says and what they think. Once thought of as the first International President, it appears his, and our, stature is diminishing around the world. In their words, not mine:

Der Speigel, 2009
“Obama's Half-Hearted Surge”
“Is Obama himself perhaps lacking in resolve, even though Afghanistan has now become his war?”
“Never before has a speech by President Barack Obama felt as false as his Tuesday address announcing America's new strategy for Afghanistan.”
“One didn't have to be a cadet on Tuesday to feel a bit of nausea upon hearing Obama's speech. It was the least truthful address that he has ever held.”
“Obama's Nice Guy Act Gets Him Nowhere on the World Stage”

Irish Times, 2009.

“Mr Obama’s failure to insist on this condition lost him credibility in the region and has contributed to the current low morale on the Palestinian side.”
“The sentencing of Huang Qi is a clear sign that China is not willing to cede any ground on granting greater personal freedoms, despite Mr Obama’s statements about universal human rights. It’s the second high-profile dissident trial since Mr Obama’s visit.”
“Obama is not soft on China, he just has a different style,” the Dalai Lama told the NDTV news channel in an interview.”
“Madam, – The decision by President Obama to kowtow to the Emperor of Japan was disconcerting to a lot of people, not just US conservatives (World News, November 18th).Any republican, in its broadest sense, who witnessed it would have felt uneasy. Here was the putative leader of the free world, democratically elected, showing extraordinary fealty to a representative of the divine right of kings. One can only imagine the reaction in Ireland if President Mary McAleese bowed or curtsied on meeting Queen Elizabeth. – Yours, etc.” (By republican the writer means a person who favors a republic as the best form of government.)

Pravda, 2009
In the giant, unread "democratic" bills that the American parliament loves to pass, some with literally up to ten thousand pages of unread and undebated laws. (and the Americans were only ranked 19th on the list of the most corrupt nations?) To be specific, Cap and Trade (American Clean Energy and Security Act of 2009) will force all home owners to make extremely costly efficiency upgrades to their homes, for energy efficiency, before the government will give the serf, er citizen, a license to sell their home. Of course, before the process begins, the serf must get and pay for a government inspection and another after the upgrades.

Daily Telegraph 2009
“A “period of hiatus” in Washington - and a lack of clear direction - had made it harder for ministers to persuade the British public to go on backing the Afghan mission in the face of a rising death toll, he said.”
Senior British Government sources have become increasingly frustrated with Mr Obama’s “dithering” on Afghanistan, the Daily Telegraph disclosed earlier this month, with several former British defence chiefs echoing the concerns.”

Times of India, 2009
“Many felt Obama went to China "as a profligate spender going to see his banker."”

Lazy Jack

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Eddie| 12.2.09 @ 9:40AM

Every time I watch this man and his teleprompter, I realize even more that he is the ultimate fish out of the water. He hasn't a clue where he's at or where he's headed. I agree with another poster in that he seems to always be in the community organizer mode. This is going to be a long 4 years!

ccc| 12.2.09 @ 9:41AM

This is the speech with the adjoined troop increase that Bush should have done 8 years ago, when his comanders told him to. But Afghanistan just wasn't fun enough for him.

ds80| 12.2.09 @ 10:44AM

Still living in the past, eh? Why not go all the way back to Reagan? Heck - that short-sighted George Washington could have surged Minutemen into Afghanistan too.

Anthony| 12.2.09 @ 9:46AM

This joke of a president sure ain't no Harry Truman. So, it took this empty suit 3 months of dithering to split McCrystal's proposal for troop increases, with a withdrawl deadline to boot.
If you went on the street and told any person what McCrystal's plan was and then asked what he/she would do, most would have come up with the same plan Obama announced last night.
But wonders of all wonders, clueless Joe Biden had it right. Biden said no to troops and yes to more drones. I agree completely!!! Send in all the leftist drones, starting with Biden, and let the Taliban use them for target practice. Good thinking Joe, you've made a believer out of me.

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CAdams| 12.2.09 @ 9:58AM

I can't add anything to the comments here...they are all so good I copied and pasted them to save and re-read! Excellent!

I do not listen to Obama-I can't stand everything about him-mostly it's his "world view". And as far as his much-vaunted speaking style goes, I'm at a loss...his tone goes down at the end of every statement...it's horrible to listen to. Each sentence ends on the same note. Where in the world did people come up with the idea that this is soaring rhetoric?!

Ken (Old Texican)| 12.2.09 @ 10:02AM

I apologise folks.
I simply cannot bring myself to listen to this man.

Rush came up with a great idea: He played Obama in fast forward speed for sound-bites on his show. I wish he would continue it. Stripped of the pseudo-dramatic overlord cadence, the man sounds like an idiot with every phrase he utters.

He is an idiot, but he is a very dangerous idiot. What he lacks in depth, he more than makes up for in his hatred for our country....and his fear of us.

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 11:34AM

Ken,
Read the transcripts. The speechs are vacuous, meliflous anodynes, sounding good but without substance.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 3:32PM

Ken,
You don't need to apologize. The way you took on that CaptainCrook dude last night was awesome!!!! :^)

REV JAMES JOHNSON | 12.2.09 @ 10:14AM

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Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 11:22AM

AMEN to that sir.

Northern Rebel| 12.2.09 @ 10:24AM

Jimo:

Attempting to impeach "President" Anti-Christ, would bring out every deck of race cards ever created. It's best that he slink off in disgrace after his one term, like Jimma did.

Besides Al Adab was kind enough to remind me of the prospects of having a President Biden. Yeeww!

Come to think of it, that's probably the only reason he picked someone so incompetent to be his runnig mate in the first place!

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 10:50AM

Morning Rebel,
How long before the anti-war Left trots out the "Hey, Hey LBJ..." kind of thing again? That they will not only demonstrates the hypocricy and partisan nature of the entire group.

The Left, and this administration, fails to comprehend the nature of war and the fact that victory is not achieved through managerial deadlines, but rather (a sad commentary on human nature) through lines of dead enemy.

The President has not exactly Churchillian in his approach and apparently has forgotteen, if he ever knew, that "There is no substitute for Victory".

Tim| 12.2.09 @ 10:25AM

Surgerender.
The Afghans have 18 months to cut deals with the Taliban. AFter that the Taliban cuts the throats of all US collaborators.

dan| 12.2.09 @ 11:09AM

it's bad enough the country is stuck with an affirmative action hire posing as president, but now he is prtetending to be a decisive cic

But what we witness daily is his learning curve is so low to be more akin to someone who shows up to pick up his weekly paycheck and does nothing to earn it.

But as typical of this poseur, he wants to please everyone while making sure none of the blame for failure falls back on him.

And despite all common sense, he also doesn't want america to win. For him his only goal is to wreak havoc on america while pushing his marxist agenda of a bigger and more intrusive govt while ignoring and discounting any criticism and opposition to his plans to trtansform america as people who have made a mess that he and san fran nan will clean up.

And by the way if you won't join his crusade to transform america, get out of the way and shut up

Kelley| 12.2.09 @ 11:21AM

I could only stand to listen for a little while, but this opinion piece pretty much sums up what I heard. His tone was scolding, patronizing, and impatient, his expression was angry, and he kept smacking the lectern at every pause as if in frustration that he had to make the speech at all.

Yves Bauer| 12.2.09 @ 11:33AM

This article is complete trash. It completely misrepresents and distorts what the president said last night. Please, if you want to read something serious about foreign policy issues please visit the appropriate websites. I recommend http://www.cfr.org/ or http://www.foreignaffairs.com/

"The reality is that America can only do so much. Never mind that we put a man on the moon."

--> Any political science student could easily refute this (the author is implying that America can do everything it wants). Moreover, the foreign policy advocated by individuals such as Robert Kagan has been a complete failure. One of the biggest blows to this school of thought, was Fukuyama's public departure from it.

While you may not know this, American foreign policy has traditionally been conducted by realists. A realist foreign policy is what America needs now, American power has limits. It is time for the American public to realize this. Globalization has changed the distribution of power. Now more than ever, America needs the help of other nations in solving its problems. America can no longer afford to unilaterally conducts its foreign policy. It has only alienated its allies, made other countries more suspicious of US intentions and has dramatically increased the burden on American ressources.

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 11:43AM

Wow, you guys really do live in a world of your own. Alice had nothing on you.

Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 12:51PM

WOW, you direct people to "Foreign Affairs" magazine? What a big brain you obviously have! Let's see, aren't Madeline Albright, Fareed Zakaria, Colin Powell and Tom Brokaw on the board? Hmm.

I believe that is also the source of Jeanine Garofalo's keen insights into a world in which America must be put in its place.

And Fukuyama. Would that be the same Francis Fukuyama who declared the end of history when the Berlin Wall came down?

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 6:55PM

I bet it is!

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 7:30PM

I'm serious Grzmlyk - I think you're on to something. How many people can there be named "Francis Fukuyama"? That has to be him.

MTB| 12.2.09 @ 5:16PM

I admire your support of a spineless commander in chief. I'm retired military. This article is 100% accurate. The commander in chief of the U.S. Armed Forces just told our enemies, the same enemies who launched a series of expertly coordinated attacks on U.S. soil just eight years ago, killing over 3,000 of our fellow citizens, to be patient, because we'll be out of there soon, and they can have their safehaven back to plan, coordinate and launch even more, probably m0re deadly (dirty bomb? chemicals? biologicals? combination of all or some) attacks on U.S. citizens. We are in that forsaken country in the first place because the Taliban gave sanctuary too and protect OBL and the Al Qaeda. When we leave, and the president said we're leaving, they will move right back in claiming victory, which will enhance their recruitment of more suicide bombers, as well as increase their fundraising efforts, and we will be attacked again. If you live in America and one of your family members falls victims to these cowards, I hope then you will understand and change your naive views. Obama sold you and everyone who supported him a bill of goods. He is a liar and a deceiver. He has no interest in defeating our enemies, indeed, he placates them. America can win this war. America MUST win this war.

DBrown| 12.2.09 @ 6:31PM

How?

I can't figure out a realistic, successful outcome.

martha| 12.2.09 @ 10:17PM

How's this for a suggestion? Kill the bad guys. All bets are off, no Miranda rights(why are we doing that anyway? They are not American Citizens,at least not yet)
Forget about nation building, give them the basics and after that they have to start fending for themselves. Sort of like weaning people off welfare.
Keep a small amount of soldiers there, but with the caveat that if the Taliban or Al Queda seem to be having a resurgence, we increase our forces and clean them out again. Sort of like killing cockroaches. You sometimes have to fumigate more than once.

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 9:07AM

"How's this for a suggestion? Kill the bad guys"

What about the innocent people we *think* are bad guys. Should we kill them right out and deny them their lawful rights?

Ray| 12.3.09 @ 10:23AM

What "innocent" people are those? The ones who were released from Gitmo only to be later killed in a firefight in Afghanistan and/or Iraq?

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 11:53AM

Any innocent people. I'm asking a simple question: if our intelligence services suspect an innocent person of being a terrorist, should they kill that person on the spot and deny them their rights or not?

S.L. Toddard| 12.4.09 @ 7:20AM

No answer?

Ron| 12.5.09 @ 6:49AM

Do you have any idea how chemo or radiation therapies work to defeat cancer?
We CAN eliminate the bad guys through attrition and the remaining population will survive and prosper because the cancer is gone. If there is a recurrence, then hit it with another dose of treatment.

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Margie| 12.2.09 @ 11:54AM

I don't watch t.v. but through my Mac, at times. I didn't want to listen to the Marxist-inChief. I knew what he'd say, except about the Vietnam style pullout. (I'm assuming that's the effect). All I know is that this evil S.O.B. will pay for this big time.
I was thinking along the lines of what Grz said, above, that maybe some of the stars will now be removed from people's eyes and they'll see him for what he truly is.
At least my Dad, still working police Captain in his elderly days, lifelong Dem, Union guy, recently referred to him as "Obummer."
Praise God.

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 11:57AM

Morning Margie,
Good news about your Dad. NRO has a good sym,posium covering the speech and its policies today. Worth the read for everyone here.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 12:25PM

Morning Al Adab,
Thanks for the greeting. I'm listening to my favorite radio host (Rush) talk about it now.
Basically it was all about pulling out, not fighting to win. Obama has said he doesn't like the word victory so it isn't a surprise.

pko| 12.2.09 @ 12:03PM

I loved how he paused waiting for overwhelming
loving applause and it was dead. If he would have
said I am sending 80,000 and we are going to kick
ass . the cadets woould have been on their feet.

Tex Expatriate| 12.2.09 @ 12:13PM

An excellent translation. I thought the cadets did a fair-to-middlin job of disobeying orders and disrespecting this fool.

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S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 12:20PM

"I mean, they're all volunteers; they all believe deeply in America -- and in America as it is, and not in America as I will soon remake it -- and they all have this touching but wild-eyed optimism in America's ability to change the world."

Mr. Guardiano chides Obama for attempting to use the government to change America, yet Mr. Guardiano wants to use the government to CHANGE THE WORLD! Does no one here have any sense of irony?

A religious reverence for the transformative power of government is a LIBERAL trait. Conservatives reject the idea that the proper role of government is to transform society (or societies). The government's responsibilities are clearly laid out in the Constitution - transforming our society (or Afghanistan's, needless to say) is not one of them. Conservatives should reject Obama's liberal plans for America, and Mr. Guardiano's liberal plans for the rest of the world.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 12.2.09 @ 12:59PM

On 9-11 it became painfully evident to US that Islamic terrorists affiliated with Al-Qaeda were at war with US. The Taliban which then comprised the legitimate government of Afghanistan gave aid, comfort and shelter to these enemies. We are at war in Afghanistan to prevent a return to power of the Taliban. This is vital to our national security. It is a proper function of our gum’mint to defend US and OUR CONSTITUTION.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Proudly pro innocent life and I vote.
Don’t Tread on Me!!

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 2:12PM

Amen, Gill O'Teen. So glad you said that.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 2:15PM

"We are at war in Afghanistan to prevent a return to power of the Taliban."

False - we are currently negotiating with Taliban fighters in order to work with them. Not to mention that no matter what the end result is - regardless of whether we are successful in establishing a puppet dictatorship there - it is simply not possible to render all of mountainous Afghanistan a place where "terrorists" cannot live + plan etc. And even if it were, there is still the matter of the rest of the entire earth to worry about. What matters is that Afghanistan currently poses no threat, and massive federal social programs like gov't healthcare and nation-building are not authorized by the constitution.

"This is vital to our national security."

Our national security is not threatened by Afghanistan. Nor do vague, hypothetical future scenarios currently imperil our security.

"It is a proper function of our gum’mint to defend US and OUR CONSTITUTION."

Absolutely. Unfortunately, only an absolute loon would argue that our Constitution is under some threat from shabby, poverty-benighted Afghanistan. The 9/11 attacks were planned in part from Germany, not to mention in the US as well, remember.

The simple fact is that terrorists have the whole world in which to plan, and if Afghanistan disappeared tomorrow it would make no difference, really. And I won't get into the literally insane notion that bombing, invading, occupying and slaughtering more muslims will some how *decrease* their desire to strike at the United States - the idea is so obviously ludicrous as to preclude serious consideration.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 12.2.09 @ 2:49PM

WE are not negotiating with the tolly-bon, obummer mmm mmm mmm and his psychophants are. A meditation on the implications and ramifications of 9-11 belies your statement that we are not imperiled by events in Afghanistan. And you betray yourself as a Kimnesian if you think that because the terrorists planned their attack from locations other than Afghanistan or Pockey-stan, they are not a threat to OUR CONSTITUTION. We are only one good crisis away from a complete breakdown and usurpation of OUR COUNTRY. When my apartment was infested with roaches, I exterminated every last one of them. True, I did not impact the world population of those bugs much, but there were no longer any messing up my place.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Proudly pro innocent life and I vote.
Don’t Tread on Me!!

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 3:13PM

"WE are not negotiating with the tolly-bon, obummer mmm mmm mmm and his psychophants are."

Correct - so we are not "at war in Afghanistan to prevent a return to power of the Taliban".

"A meditation on the implications and ramifications of 9-11 belies your statement that we are not imperiled by events in Afghanistan."

No, it doesn't.

"And you betray yourself as a Kimnesian if you think that because the terrorists planned their attack from locations other than Afghanistan or Pockey-stan, they are not a threat to OUR CONSTITUTION."

You allege we must conquer and control Afghanistan because 9/11 was partly planned there. It was also partly planned in Germany, the Sudan and the US. Ergo, by your reasoning, we should conquer Germany and the Sudan as well.

"When my apartment was infested with roaches"

I wouldn't know what having roaches is like - sorry.

Ray| 12.3.09 @ 10:27AM

"Mr. Guardiano chides Obama for attempting to use the government to change America, yet Mr. Guardiano wants to use the government to CHANGE THE WORLD! Does no one here have any sense of irony? "

The true rrony here is that YOU don't realist, or admit, that the liberals like Obama have been trying to change the world for decades. They want to change it into a single-government world, with the UN the in command and control over the world's economy, it's military, it's agriculture, it's manufacturing, and it's people. You do realize his, right?

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 11:54AM

Sure. Why not. It doesn't change my point one bit. Mr. Guardiano chided Obama for attempting to use the government to change America, yet Mr. Guardiano wants to use the government to CHANGE THE WORLD.

Grzmlyk| 12.2.09 @ 12:31PM

mon-o-ma-ni-a

–noun 1. a psychosis characterized by thoughts confined to one idea or group of ideas.

2. an inordinate or obsessive zeal for or interest in a single thing, idea, subject, or the like.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.2.09 @ 6:05PM

Grymlyk: Are you plagiarizing from Old Toddard here today, or are you just trying to break his balls, by throwing his little regurgitated joke right back at him? Because if you’re plagiarizing him, Toddard only uses that definition (mon-o-ma-ni-a) when the story concerns ACORN, not when talking about the Wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (ACORN is boring don't you know, but the War? that's never a joke). But if you’re just trying to break his balls here, well then Sir, touché!! You made me laugh with the timing of your post!!

So Toddard says: “I wouldn't know what having roaches is like – sorry”.

Well Toddard that’s because I’m sure that they don’t have roaches up there in wonderfully perfect Massachusetts. But I'll explain it to you, they’re kind of like having you here on this site, we spray and leave traps, but you keep on coming back day after day, roaches are hard to kill.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 6:49PM

Jesus you have roaches too? What do you people live on the set of Good Times? Can't you call "Buffalo Butt" Bookman up to fumigate?

That's pretty revolting. Good luck though.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.2.09 @ 7:11PM

As Bookman leaves, J.J. shouts at him in anger: "Mr. Bookman... or as you're more affectionately known, Buffalo-Butt! You are so dumb, you couldn't flush a toilet if the instructions were written on the handle! Furthermore, your dumbness is exceeded only by your fatness! When you go to the movies, you have to get two tickets! One for each side of your butt!"

Referencing Good Times now Toddayrd? You are really starting to show your age? I had to look up the show, just to understand the point you were making. Wow!! Good Times!! Really? Wow!!

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 7:20PM

Bookman! Hahaha

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 12.2.09 @ 12:35PM

Crawling through the darkest crannies of my mind this morning, I was looking for historic speeches which despite their greatness were clearly surpassed last night (12/2/2009 A.D (CE) or 12/2/1 Ao) at West Point by obummer mmm mmm mmm’s teleprompter. Before the Battle of Issus in 333 BC (about 2342 Bo), Alexander III of Macedon must have similarly inspired his soldiers before they defeated the Persian army under the command of Darius III. Before giving the order to his legions that sent them across the Rubicon in 49 BC (about 2058 Bo), Gaius Julius Kaiser no doubt gave his soldiers a pep talk. Immortalized in Shakespeare’s history drama ‘Henry V’, in 1415 (594 Bo) King Henry, rising to the occasion, spoke words of encouragement that rallied the English troops and carried them to victory in the Battle of Agincourt. I’m sure there are many other fine examples. However, the speech that seemed most fitting is possibly the noblest of all - Chief Joseph's speech after the Bears Paw Battle October 5, 1877 (October 5, 152 Bo). You know, the “I will fight no more forever” one. Another debate is simply whether or not last night’s speech is the greatest since Adam and Eve first learned to talk about 6013 Bo, even better than anything Winston Churchill uttered. Incidently, since obummer mmm mmm mmm’s inauguration was indisputably the greatest event in the history of the universe, I have simply renumbered OUR calendar by changing the year 2009 A.D., or CE by the PC gang, to the year 1 Ao (in the year of obummer mmm mmm mmm). Years A.D. that occurred prior to 2009 are simply recalculated by subtracting their AD value from 2009. For example, 1941 AD is the year Kaiser Wilhelm died - surely the most important event of that otherwise unremarkable 12 months. Forevermore that year shall be designated as 68 Bo (Before obummer mmm mmm mmm). Years previously designated B.C. or BCE by the atheists, will be changed to my transformational numbering system by adding the old number to 2009. For example, construction of the Second Temple in Jerusalem was completed in 516 BC old style which is 2009 + 516 = 2525 new style or 2525 Bo. It is purely coincidental that Bo is also the name of the First Puppy. I feel even more strongly about this than I did when I advocated renumbering OUR calendar to commemorate the most tragic death ever when Princess Di’s besotted driver wrecked their car evading the photographers chasing them at the behest of THE EVIL BUSH.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Proudly pro innocent life and I vote.
Don’t Tread on Me!!

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 2:24PM

Gill,
There you are. I was concerned about your recent silence. Welcome back.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 12.2.09 @ 2:54PM

Just busy. Thanks for your concern.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Proudly pro innocent life and I vote.
Don’t Tread on Me!!

Northern Rebel| 12.2.09 @ 1:00PM

Hi Al Adab: The left is pissed!

Our favorite fat filmmaker was commenting on the hollywood elite's anger at the "President's" speech, threatening to withdraw support.

The Anti-Christ is treading on dangerous ground, trying to have it both ways.

I'm sure he's consulting with his teleprompter, as we speak.

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 3:22PM

Will we soon be hearing replays of:
Hell no we won't go or
Hey Hey LBJ.. or
Bush Lied people died or
any of the other anti-war slogans? Of course not. Now the "exit strategy" is in place and there is no war.

In our town the anti-war protest on the streetcorner stopped just after the election even though the war goes on. Do you think it might have been political rather than principled opposition to war? Who could ever be so hypocritical as that?

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 7:19PM

"Will we soon be hearing replays of:
Hell no we won't go or
Hey Hey LBJ.. or
Bush Lied people died or
any of the other anti-war slogans? Of course not"

I agree with everything here. A great deal of the "anti-war" Left dried up and blew away once Obama was elected, and all that was left were those of us on the anti-war right - conservatives and libertarians. The wisest and most articulate arguments against war were always made by conservatives.

Nick| 12.2.09 @ 8:20PM

Mr. Toddard,

Why don't you TRY making a "conservative" argument against Operation Iraqi Freedom sometime?

All you ever do is cut-n-paste from lefty kooks.

Like the neo-nazi defender and very fatigable Glenn Greenwald. Or Bill Moyers. Or anti-war.com, etc.

Go back and read the late Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan, or Joe Sobran during the lead up to the war. They made CONSERVATIVE arguments agianst going into Iraq.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 8:36PM

Nick,
Was that you who called in to Sean's show today?

Nick| 12.2.09 @ 8:55PM

Margie,

No, that wasn't me. I happened to catch that segment too, driving home. I can't recall what he was saying, though.

Hope you and Victor had a Happy Thanksgiving and have a Merry Christmas.
God Bless.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 10:19PM

We were both listening and wondering if it was you. It seemed kind of similar (?) to your point of view. He was for Ron Paul and wanted to ask Sean why he didn't have him on the show, he was kind of not happy w/ the Repub. Party. Sean explained that a 3rd party isn't realistic, and how we should work at taking back the Repub. party instead.
We did have a good Thanksgiving, thanks. Hope you did as well.
God bless.

Nick| 12.2.09 @ 11:44PM

Margie,

That's right. Sean made a good point about Mr. Paul's popularity, or lack thereof, I should say.

I like most of Mr. Paul's positions, especially on Life. Which is why I don't understand why so many Libertarians are Pauliacs.

I'm not for a third party, either. I think the GOP must have the liberal infection within it killed off with strong conservative antibiotics.

I did have a good Thanksgiving, thank you.

Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:54AM

"I think the GOP must have the liberal infection within it killed off with strong conservative antibiotics."
~Well we've certainly got enough of that around here!
'Night.

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 7:09AM

"He was for Ron Paul and wanted to ask Sean why he didn't have him on the show, he was kind of not happy w/ the Repub. Party. Sean explained that a 3rd party isn't realistic, and how we should work at taking back the Repub. party instead."

Of course, that doesn't explain why he doesn't have Dr. Paul on the show, since Dr. Paul is a Republican, not a member of any third party.

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 7:54AM

"Why don't you TRY making a "conservative" argument against Operation Iraqi Freedom sometime?"

Nick, I am not trying to insult you when I say that you don't actually know what "conservative" means. Conservatism is not an ideology, it's a disposition - a tendency. Conservatives don't all believe A, B, C and D, but they all DO know instinctually that "when it is not necessary to change, it is necessary not to change." They cherish tradition, prescription and correction, and THAT tendency informs what they believe. It is not a set of beliefs that bind conservatives so much as they are bound by the REASON they believe what they believe, and that reason is their tendency to favor constancy over change, tradition over innovation, and the wisdom of the ages over the ideological mutterings of academics, intellectuals and bureaucrats.

As a conservative, I favor small government, because I believe big government does violence to the traditional American way of life I would like to *conserve*. Since war is the health of the state, since it expands the size and power of the central government, I oppose the Iraq War. As a conservative, I cherish the ideals of the Founders, and believe they are at the core of what "conservatives" should want to "conserve". Included amongst those ideals is the idea that America should have peace and commerce with all nations, entangling alliances with none, and that we should not go abroad searching for monsters to destroy. It is the Washingtonian ideal of benign neutrality. As a conservative I cherish that ideal and so I oppose the Iraq War, which contradicts it. As a conservative, I am resistant to radical change, so I oppose radically altering our criteria for what constitutes a just war, and believe there is no reason to abandon Christian Just War theory, hallowed as it is by long usage, by the great minds of the ages who forumulated it, and grounded as it is in good sense and longstanding tradition. To abandon it is a radical act that I find repugnant as a conservative, and as I do not believe the cassus belli for the Iraq War is consistent with Just War theory, I reject it. As a conservative, I cherish the Rule of Law and the Constitution of the United States as the most effective conservative legislation in the history of man. I recognize, as Judge Andrew Napolitano wrote, that the "framers of the Constitution feared letting the president alone decide with whom we are at war," and so granted the power to declare war to Congress, who represent the states and the people. I believe Congress has shirked its constitutional responsibility, and that waging the Iraq War without a constitutional declaration of war renders the war unlawful, and so I reject it. As a conservative, I believe America should conserve her traditional republican system of government. I believe the Iraq War is imperialistic, that the conquest of overseas dominions and the maintenance of puppet governments on the other side of the world is imperialistic and inconsistent with republican ideals, and so I reject the Iraq War. And, lastly, as a conservative I try to reject ideology, I believe one must be principled AND practical, and must deal with the world as it is, not as ideology dictates that it should be. As such, and recognizing as I do that the primary cause of terrorism against the United States is our bombing, invading, occupying and killing Muslims, and our long-term meddling in their affairs, I oppose the Iraq War as counter-productive, wrongheaded and stupid.

Those are reasons I oppose that war, and I have stated them countless times on this site alone. Because conservatism is a disposition and not an ideology, conservatives can disagree about the Iraq War. A different conservative could come to different conclusions than I have, but no conservative can claim my position on it is not firmly grounded in traditional conservative principles.

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 8:17AM

I missed the end of your post the first time. My reasons are entirely consistent with those of Bob Novak, Pat Buchanan, and Joe Sobran, the latter two for whom I have immense respect and whom I read every chance I get.

I was a fan of Novak as well, especially in his later years.

Nick| 12.3.09 @ 9:48AM

Mr. Toddard,

Actually, this is the first time you have even come close to making a conservative case against the war.

If you would do this more often, you might sway someones opinion sometime.

One question, though.
You wrote: "I believe Congress has shirked its constitutional responsibility, and that waging the Iraq War without a constitutional declaration of war renders the war unlawful [...]"

I assume this also goes for Operation Enduring Freedom. So, per our last battle, why are these wars unlawful, but President Jefferson's war against the Barbary Pirates was constitutional?

One more, have you read de Vattel or Grotius yet?

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 10:05AM

"I assume this also goes for Operation Enduring Freedom. So, per our last battle, why are these wars unlawful, but President Jefferson's war against the Barbary Pirates was constitutional"

I have not stated that that the actions against the Barbary Pirates were constitutional, nor have I stated the opposite. I do not think every military action requires a declaration of war, and certainly do not consider the Barbary Wars analogous in any way to the wars to conquer Iraq and Afghanistan.

"One more, have you read de Vattel or Grotius yet?"

No - like yourself, I have not read de Vattel or Grotius. If you want to revisit that old ground then I am still waiting for you to name me one legal obligation or right (that we are seeking to circumvent with our current undeclared wars) that binds the United States in a declared war but which does NOT bind the United States in an undeclared war. And let me be clear - I personally do not want to go back to that debate, which was becoming extremely tedious at the point we both bailed. I will be happy to consider it buried if you want.

As for your allegation that "this is the first time (I) have even come close to making a conservative case against the war," these are the same arguments I have been making here for years, I assure you. I just did not reference any writers on the establishment right's banned reading list while making it, so you are not misled into thinking they are "liberal" arguments.

Lastly, why do you personally oppose congressional declarations of war for the two wars we are currently executing? Do you think the power was delegated solely to congress for no reason whatsoever? If not, how do Iraq and Afghanistan not meet the criteria for requesting a declaration of war? If President Bush had asked for one, he would have gotten it (both of them, really) quite easily, and then pro-war Democrats would be on the hook for that war as surely as he was (and I think they are on the hook for it anyway, but many disingenuously maintain that they didn't greenlight the war, they only "authorized" force "as a last resort").

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 10:21AM

Also consider that A) had a declaration been denied by congress for Iraq (admittedly there was slim chance of that happening) then the GOP wouldn't have had the albatross of Iraq around its neck last election. More than anything else, the Iraq War soured the people on Bush and the GOP, and McCain only lost by 3%. And B) had war been declared, the arguments for military tribunals would have been more convincing, because (as Judge Napolitano wrote in the same piece I referenced above) "In Ex Parte Quirin, the Supreme Court case that eventually upheld the military trial of these Germans... the court declared that a formal declaration of war is the legal prerequisite to the government's use of the tools of war (i.e. military tribunals)."

A declaration of war does not *restrict* the government's power to wage war, it *expands* it.

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Kim| 12.2.09 @ 1:50PM

Gosh--I've never come upon such an assemblage of unpatriotic people. You call yourselves Americans? Well, go ahead--no one else will. Self-congratulate yourself all you want--look it up, under onanism--but never forget that it was liberals who created the revolutionary idea of America. And won--and you've been at war with the true America ever since.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 2:14PM

Which liberals are they, Kim?

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 3:16PM

Classical Liberalism, ala John Locke et al, is the position taken by the American Conservative Movement. Do not confuse European anything with the United States commonweal. We kicked them out of this continent - at least our portion of it- twice for a reason.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 12.2.09 @ 2:24PM

So you define “liberal” as old white guys who owned guns and slaves, chopped down forests, hunted, started an armed revolution, believed in GOD and read THE HOLY BIBLE , wrote two incredibly awesome documents, and would not even be invited to a White House dinner by the present liberal-in-chief if any were able to accept invitations today. And you define “patriotism” as blindly following the teleprompter. Gee, I think OUR FOUNDERS have more in common with Dick Cheney and Sarah Palin than with obummer mmm mmm mmm.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
Proudly pro innocent life and I vote.
Don’t Tread on Me!!

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 2:24PM

"but never forget that it was liberals who created the revolutionary idea of America"

What an absurd notion. "America" is not an "idea", it is a nation and a people. And "liberal" meant something entirely different at the founding - it meant "one who cherishes Liberty" - the OPPOSITE of what it means currently. That being said, some of the revolutionaries were radical (Jefferson, Paine) some conservative (John Adams) etc. None, however, were "liberals" in the sense it currently means - i.e. proponents of "social-justice" liberalism, race hustlers, PC thugs and servile worshippers of the State. Such creatures are a relatively recent affliction of the American body politic, ones which the Founders would find REVOLTING.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 2:41PM

Barf.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 2:57PM

That's about as insightful as your posts get.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 3:06PM

One word is worth a thousand pictures.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 6:57PM

How much is a picture of a word worth.

John II| 12.2.09 @ 2:29PM

Gosh? Gosh?!!?

Is that you, Napoleon?

martha| 12.2.09 @ 10:23PM

Those were the Edmund Burke Classic liberals, not the old 60's Acid burn-outs you moronic troll

Merlin| 12.2.09 @ 2:13PM

Macabre Stupidity
Go before the nations finest youth , the next leaders of the finest military in the world.
Order them to lead men and women in a war he does not intend to win?
To fight and die for political gain?

Such a person is obviously not fit for command of a latrine. We must impeach this unfit idiot imediatly.

Late in the dribble I saw a young lady cadet in the audience crying. She got it, she realized he was going to throw them into the meatgrinder of war for his own gain.

Merlin

Louis Jenkins| 12.2.09 @ 2:52PM

Chris Matthews called the Point an "enemy camp." Just about dropped my teeth on that one. Maybe that's why the cadet was crying as she had no idea that she was the enemy. Remember that Chris had that tingle running up his leg every time he saw Obama. Wonder if he was tingling last night or in a sweating rage?

Al Adab| 12.2.09 @ 3:35PM

Douglas McArthur said, "The long grey line has never failed us..." Ask yourselves, are we about to fail them?
For this President to use the Corps of Cadets for this purpose was beneath contempt.

Ken in People's Republic of MD| 12.2.09 @ 2:42PM

While sitting here trying to make heads or tails of Sheila Dixon's conviction by a Baltimore jury, I couldn't help but notice that our president looks like he is tired of being president.

I betcha he came into office thinking that he would get his way on everything, that no one would dare oppose him and no one would question him on everything. Now that they are, the prez looks lost. Being a true lib, having no concept of hard work or of being committed to a cause, he seems totally incapable of going forward. The spring is gone from his step, the twinkle in his eye, the bounce to his voice, all victims of misguided thinking. His policies are being attacked on all fronts, more than half the country calls itself conservative and less than half approves of him and he is clueless about how to proceed. He just looks dejected, defeated, and depressed. And only three more years to go!

Mattled| 12.2.09 @ 2:44PM

Margie---I think the "liberals" that Dim is referring to were actually Republicans as they were once called liberals.

Liberals only started calling themselves liberals after the term "progressives" fell out of favor in the 30's with the Sanger and eugenics crowd. Had something to do with a guy from Austria with a funny mustache around that time.

Inge---my uber-liberal hypocrite mother0-in-law and my spouse both say I "hate" Obambi. I've never said such a thing.

I don't hate him at all. My M-in-law uses that term freely at just about anything. It's too strong of a word and should be used very sparingly. It is (hate) a wholly owned subsidiary of the Left---just like racism.

What an opportunity the Won has presented us with! What a great time to stand up and get in peoples faces. Every time I go to the gas station I leave my radio on talk radio. People give me the evil eye, but who cares?

I laugh at people with Hopey-Changey bumper stickers (which sometimes i feel like there are more Kerry-Edwards stickers---did the love for Zero fade that fast?) .

He has done what took the Republicans previously 40 years to get done. He has united us, along with Libertarians, Independents, Moderates and some Democrats.

I gave him until end of next year to plunge into the 40% approval range---he is there now. Heck, he'll be 30 by end of next year.

He is incapable of moving to the center. He may be destroying the Democrat party before our very eyes. Because he is neither a Democrat nor a Liberal---he is a Marxist, at best if you will, a Socialist.

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 2:53PM

Mattled,
I know. I just wanted her to name them. Gil O'Teen's response took care of it.

Mattled| 12.2.09 @ 2:47PM

Ken in MD,

Don't mistake boredom with illness. He is not well. Way too many health issues under that [thin] skin.

Buffalo| 12.2.09 @ 3:22PM

Greatest Speech Ever Given Since Time Began. I didn't listen but ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, and CNN say so so it must be true.

Buffalo| 12.2.09 @ 3:28PM

He showed his bravery last night by sneaking into the "enemy camp" with only his teleprompters between him and thousands of enemy troops. That was leadership.

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Tony in Central PA| 12.2.09 @ 3:38PM

I kept hearing about how it took Obama 80 - some days to come up with this plan, which was about twice as long as it took to eject the Taliban. Reagan was the Great Communicator, perhaps Obama is the Great Hesitator.
This from the guy who told us we needed to focus and increase our efforts in Afghanistan the whole time he was campaigning. Of course the many worshippers of this man would miss this small point because they are so enraptured by his eloquence and suaveness.

John II| 12.2.09 @ 5:27PM

Professor Obama is gifted with a resonant voice which works pretty well when it doesn't choke and stammer over a muffed line fed to him on the teleprompter.

But the words themselves are not eloquent; they are deceptive and canned, arranged in a predictable syntax calculated to wow the sensibilities of half-wits. As to his being "suave," I think the more accurate term is "slick."

The Professor's admirers are like airheaded college sophomores: easily dazzled by the empty glitter and the flattery of the campus charlatan.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 5:43PM

He's no Daniel Webster, that's for sure.

I think the great American patriot, stalwart Obama critic, indefatigable champion of the American Constitution and tireless defender of our Civil Liberties Glenn Greenwald is (as usual) right on the money: "like most Obama decisions, last night he incorporated enough of every side and paid homage to conflicting principles such that it's impossible to identify what he really believes ("civilian trials are a fundamental American value and now we'll deny them to many detainees" is quite similar to: "Afghanistan is in our absolute vital interest and we'll start leaving in 18 months"). He's convinced his admirers that this is a form of noble "pragmatism" but, far more often, it appears to be a mishmash of political calculations bereft of principle and plagued by numerous internal contradictions that make it impossible to understand, let alone defend."

Margie| 12.2.09 @ 6:31PM

"But the words themselves are not eloquent; they are deceptive and canned, arranged in a predictable syntax calculated to wow the sensibilities of half-wits."
~Beautiful.

MAJ Mike| 12.2.09 @ 4:59PM

Imagine going on a first date and telling your date that you have an exit strategy when you phone her to make plans for the evening. Of course, she'll make sure that you get to use it long before you planned to. In effect, he's told the Afghan people that he plans to ditch them after he's scored, and that they shouldn't get too clingy and expect a future in the relationship.

J G| 12.2.09 @ 6:14PM

FU you feckless traitor. AREAL soldier doesn't openly deride the C.I.C.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.2.09 @ 6:52PM

JG: No FU Dude!! What do you know about being a "real" soldier? Are you currently serving? Have you ever served? And have you ever heard about freedom of speech? Well Soldiers have that same right too. Who says that Maj Mike isn't already retire? Because if he is, he can say whatever he wants to, whenever he want to. And if he is still active, he still has the right to speak his mind, only he can't officially speak his opinions to make it seem like he's representing his military branch "officially". Soldiers are not robots (if you didn't know that), that are programmed to only spew out the Administration's talking points, they have minds of their own, and very well formed opinions too. And if Mike is still active, for you to call him a "traitor", because he doesn't believe in the Presidents plan, well how dare you!! What have you ever done, to defend you freedom of speech, you little faggod!!

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 6:59PM

Someone put on their crankypants today.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.2.09 @ 7:14PM

No special event really, I wear them everyday, they're just very comfortable.

S.L. Toddard| 12.2.09 @ 7:29PM

JJ Evans used to wear crazy pants. And Bookman - he was so fat he had to buy his pants at the circus, what with his buffalo-sized butt (or buffalo-butt-sized butt).

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.2.09 @ 7:53PM

Have you started drinking again Toddard? Call your sponsor tonight, it's never to late, we all fall of the wagon every now and then. Just say NO, to Good Times!!

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 9:01AM

No way - let the Good Times roll!

S.L. Toddard| 12.3.09 @ 6:17PM

"Have you started drinking again Toddard?"

How dare you imply such a thing. I'll have you know, sir, that I have NEVER stopped drinking, and I resent the insinuation. Ipswich Ale, Wachusett Ale, Shipyard. In fact, I'll be putting up the Christmas tree this weekend. We'll throw a log on the fire, listen to Christmas music (the original Elvis Christmas album is among the greatest - Santa Clause Is Back In Town being particularly marvelous, Vince Guaraldi of course, Motown christmas, along with Bing, Sinatra et al) and decorate the tree - after I start making glögg. While it's steaming on the stove the house will be filled with the dizzying aromas of cinnamon, almonds, cardamom, raisins - oh yeah, and red wine, port and brandy. Knock your stockings off. That's when we'll start decorating. Drink it hot, with a spoon, to scoop the raisins and almonds out at the bottom of the mug. There isn't a better Christmas drink - or a winter drink half as good. Must be served hot, in a mug, and with a side of friends and family.

Merry Christmas.

Lullaby's, Legends and Lies| 12.4.09 @ 11:34AM

Merry Christmas to you too, you complete wacko!! And I only mean that, in the nicest way only.

mighty aphrodite| 12.2.09 @ 9:33PM

The Campaigner-in-Chief (I assume this is what you meant by CIC) didn't tell ANYONE anything that could have possibly taken 83 days to ruminate on. The Dali Bama is the sorriest excuse for a Preznet that we could have imagined. My hope is that the mid-term elections throw a bulldozer (forget a wrench!) in his plans to "transform" America.

It was hard to keep a straight face watching Zero tilt his head in his smugly superior way and reminding the dozing cadets that he was their CIC. Hopefully, these promising and talented young people won't have to grovel and scrape for this fraud past 2012.

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John II| 12.2.09 @ 8:14PM

Levin read the Guardiano send-up on the air this afternoon. It made me very happy.

And now back to Kojak. Who loves you, baby?

John R. Guardiano| 12.3.09 @ 12:02AM

Thanks for the heads-up, John II; I didn't know that. Well, that certainly is nice to here -- and it certainly was kind of Mr. Levin to plug my piece.

Regards,
John

Ret. Marine| 12.2.09 @ 9:03PM

Wow, I sat here last night and tried, I mean reallllllly tired to understand the speech. Man was I mistaken to think he's an American. I have to agree with your interpatation of the lets just give it a try and see how the world loves us tomorrow speech. I am a Ret. Marine with 32 yrs of service, (ret. 2004) I served from Nixon to G.W., never in all those years did I hear such a lame excuss from any Prez. This message he sent to our adversaries is exactly what THEY WANTED TO HEAR, and not a word of what the American population wanted to hear. I guess the word "victory, honor, duty or courage" ever ever entered his mind. So very sad indeed.

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Christopher Holland| 12.2.09 @ 10:03PM

A speech about war and not a single mention of victory or winning, as far as I can tell. Obama needs a new autocue, this one doesn't work. Why on earth bother with fighting a war unless you are going to win it? Obama is gutless and incompetent, he can't lead homing pigeons and his speeches are rubbish.

baume mercier watch | 12.2.09 @ 10:05PM

Good post!
Thanks

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David| 12.2.09 @ 11:28PM

It's "Afghan" not "Afghani"...Afghani is the currency of Afghanistan

John R. Guardiano| 12.3.09 @ 12:20AM

David,
Thanks; another commenter also had mentioned that. I'll confess that this was an unintentional error on my part. However, given the satirical nature of the piece, I'm not sure that this mistake warrants correction. In fact, this error may make for a more amusing piece !

Regards,
John

HistoryWriter| 12.3.09 @ 8:28AM

Reading conservative "ditto" messages is like watching a colossal circle-jerk. Did anybody just happen to notice that Gen. McChrystal requested 30,000 additional troops and GOT them? If Bush had made the same speech you'd be so moved you'd be slobbering into your Bud Lite.

Nick| 12.3.09 @ 9:19AM

Non-HistoryWriter,

Actually, Gen. McChrystal requested 60,000 troops, and only got half. Plus, it took 6 months for President Dither to make a decision.

This would be like if Bubba Clinton ordered 60 hookers, but only received 30! And it took 6 months to decide, well after his Viagra wore off.

You liberals would be outraged.

HistoryWriter| 12.3.09 @ 12:42PM

It took just under 90 days for the military to work out its plan. And McChrystal said 30,000 could do the job. Now go back to the circle-jerk; your frineds will miss you.

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Helen| 12.3.09 @ 9:45AM

Bush? I would take him back in a New York minute....yes,, he did ot have oratory skills but
he had the courage of his convictions. In comparison Obama is baraking up the wrong tree every time he opens his mouth.

matt jones| 12.3.09 @ 1:31PM

once there was an article, the name of the conservative site which hosted is forgotten at the moment, but one of the articles focused on why the drinking age shouldn't be lowered to age eighteen. when pressed with why the individuals who are allowed to serve in the military, are not allowed to drink the author replied that the immortality feeling of youth, that is the notion that young peoplebelieve that they are impervious to harm, is what imnspiers them to join the armed forces, essentially equiating it to a stupid decision. now this article. the double standard stands most clear, but let the other fallicies of this poor parody be made precise. first, putting a man on the moon is no t comparable to bringing democracy to a country. a can do atitude will bring democracy, yes, but it must come from the peoople of the country. this is and always will be Bush's war, not President Obama's. the mishandiling of the conflict, buy Bush, is certain, and not attribitable to President Obama, or even democrats, as the war effort was Bush's work, and his administration's work alone. whatever happened to hope and change being mindless chants by Obama followers? what, now slogans like a can do attitude are supposed to be crediable arguments against not wanted to launch a decades long endeavor in to foriegn land? its calledf common sense, this is not merely something that can be forced, as are too education and healthcare, because success is not measured by the defeat of an enemy but by the vauge standard of a democracy, which is infinite in its needing of change and monitoring. so, perhaps, President Obama would like to be president of the country to which he was elected, not of one that a prevous Administration decided they should oversee.

OneBigAssMistakeAmerica| 12.3.09 @ 11:30PM

Put that into intellectual english please...

and how is this Bush's war when he did not start it? Al Queda started the war and Afghanistan allowed it to last as long as it did by holding up to an honor code and protecting OBL for something he did (not sure, I think he gave them a gift and in Islamic culture you must protect the gift giver in your country/house) so we went in to forcefully find Osama bin Ladin and bring him and his people to justice. It is a War on the American People and the West in general and not Bush's war on a random country.
Also, how exactly did bush mishandle the conflict? As I recollect, we started having problems in Afghanistan as soon as Obama was elected. Why? The Taliban and Al Queda realized a weak minded, ass-covering president had come into office and would do what was good for his image not what was good for his country. It is OBAMA's mishandling of the war and taking 3 months to come up with a plan designed for failure that is the cause of the current mess in Afghanistan.

Who said after we had set up a uncorrupted, stable government we would stay to monitor it? We aren't there to be occupier, we are there to be LIBERATORS. And thats how the Afghans view us. In the paraphrased words of an Afghan grandfather who remembers the pre-soviet(and therefore Taliban) days: "We can dance, sing, and be as we would like to be now, America has removed our fear and allowed us to live." True, we are not there to provide unending security for the Afghans, but we are there to ensure their new government and security forces/military can actually successfully complete their functions when we leave, and also to ensure the permanent absence of Al Queda and the Taliban (who are Saudis) from Afghanistan and succeed in the capture of bin Ladin.

With Obama's plan, this will not happen. We will leave a nation in the gutter without

So please, understand what you are saying before you post and make sure it's actually readable.

OneBigAssMistakeAmerica| 12.3.09 @ 11:38PM

hmm, seems like I accidentally deleted part of my post.
2nd to last paragraph, after without:
a functioning government or the means to successfully defend itself AND without capturing the mastermind and major figurehead behind 9/11 and the Radical Islamic Movement....leaving to the people of Afghanistan to a political vacuum and the world to deal with a dangerous and capable madman.

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AMERICAN & DISGUSTED| 12.4.09 @ 10:23AM

I really tried to listen to "his" speech, but just couldn't. This man has no clue about our country and our service men who defend it. How much longer will America put up with such a puppet? Can't we impeach him? He has done more damage to the Office of President of The United States of America in his term (so far) than a science fiction writer could dream up. Get him out, IMPEACH, IMPEACH, IMPEACH

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Answers1| 12.5.09 @ 3:23AM

Weak, weak, weak...

Ferris| 12.5.09 @ 3:30AM

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Lullaby's, Legends and Lies:
I love it when these folks like JG lecture on being quiet regarding the Commander-in Chief. I was in when Carter was President and his incompetence was the subject of much open conversation at all levels. However, when he gave an order, we'd obey it. Doesn't JG know that a bitching soldier is a happy soldier? Obviously never served.

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MR Baker: I shouldn’t respond to posts like that (JG’s), but it just pisses me off when I read them anyway. Now obviously, if you’ve read any of my post here in the past, you might be able to figure out what line of work I’m in. So therefore you can understand why I take it a little bit personal when I read something like that. JG doesn’t understand a thing about the military, he must actually think, that soldiers don’t have minds of their own, or form their own opinions based on what they see, hear, and read. Now historically, the American soldier has been questioning the Commander In Chief orders, since Gen Washington was at Valley Forge. It’s an American Military pastime, bitching and complaining about everything, and everybody (but they still get the job done).

Right now President Obama is playing it on the fence, he sending in more troops, but at the same time, he’s announced that he’s withdrawing them too. If you were the “bad guys” over there, what would you do? I’d just wait us out, and then take over once we’re gone. Duh!! The President is playing with fire here, and playing with our citizens well being and safety too. Either pull the troops out if you don’t support the War at all, or, send in the Troops that the General requested to finally win the War with. It’s hard to be happy with his decision, but the Troops as always, will do what they have to do, and will obey the orders of the President, even if those orders are sending mixed signals.

But serving under President Carter, during the Iran hostage situation, now that must have been really tough. Can you believe that he was a Navy man? He seemed more like an anti-Vietnam war protester, than a military man. He single handedly, took the Nation’s manhood away during his Administration, by not doing what should’ve been done back then, declaring War on Iran. Imagine what the situation with the Islamic Countries of the World would be like today, had we intervened back then? I don’t think they ever would’ve gotten their act together, that in the end, let to 9/11 and the current Wars. Thanks Jimmy!!

Richard Baker| 12.5.09 @ 11:42AM

History Writer:
GEN McChrystal's plan called for 40,000 as the MINIMUM number needed. His optimal request was 60,ooo. Obviously, you've never been in S-3/G-3 operations planning. It's called contingency thinking, moron. Go back to your video/computer war games.

Tenn Slim| 12.6.09 @ 9:59AM

Opine
1. Afghanistan is the latest in what used to be called Gurillea (sic) warfare. The Brits were totally inept at handling this, as where the French. The Russians also.
2. Simply look at the history. Afghanistan is a opium based economy, corrupt, dessert, no infrastructure to amount to a hill of beans, no 20th Century systems, cities that are ancient, and a tribal culture to boot.
3. Given any part of the above, and the task is enormous. Simply to stay around, in relative comfort, in that country is hard.
4. IF we define the "task" as truly bringing the country out of the 17 th century, then we need to understand, the time schedule will include our great great grand kids doing tours in Kabul.
5. If we define the "task" as simply holding the line, staying the course, accepting the status quo, controlling the Taliban worst excesses, then the time line is still at least a 10-15 year effort, with no clear end.
6. If we drop out, go home, then we can expect the Taliban, & Various associates to follow. We are not going to avoid the results by turning our backs.
bt
Therefore, what to do:.
A. Use the Lessons we learned in Malaysia, Viet Nam, Indo China, Indonesia, Iraq, and in Israel/Palestine. We KNOW how, we UNDERSTAND, Counterinsurgency. There are schools, treatise, classes, on the ground vets, in aboundance. LISTEN TO THE LESSONS.
B. Ignore the LEFTISTS angst. It will dissapate. The LEFT, CODE PINKERS, etal, have one agenda. OUR FAILURE IN ALL EFFORTS.
C. Continue to understand that USA FP is written in blood. The State Dept will facilltate under any Admin. The DOD simply does what the current OBNA tells it to do.
D. The USA Electorate, IE US. Can and should direct the effort. We can and should be heard. Letters, e mails, calls, to the Congress, the FUNDERS of ALL efforts makes a difference. YOUR VOICE< YOUR OPINE< makes the difference.
bt
As you can read, I have no solution. Other than SPEAK OUT>
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