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The Obama Watch
Obama on D-Day
Will he apologize for this too?
On June 6, 1944, the United States and its allies launched the largest air and sea armada in world history. The purpose of this mission was clear: liberate Europe from the grip of Nazi despotism.
The landings on the Normandy beaches led to unprecedented death and destruction. American soldiers leaving their amphibious landing crafts measured their life expectancy in minutes. In the first hour of battle hundreds lost their lives and in succeeding waves thousands were killed as the beaches at Omaha and Utah were soaked with the blood of young men in their teens and early twenties.
At Pointe du Hoc Rangers scaled the sheer cliffs on rope hangers. When one was killed by German bullets another stepped on the precarious rungs. Of the 224 Rangers who scaled those cliffs only 90 survived, but as historians observed rarely in history has there been such a display of courage, fortitude and sacrifice.
This was the beginning of a great epoch in history that led ultimately to the defeat of Hitler’s Germany. But history has a way of describing the big picture and leaving out the tales of individual bravery by young men who a year or two earlier were playing high school basketball, working on a farm or applying to college. History called their number and they responded. Tom Brokaw called them “America’s greatest generation.”
It is hard to know if they made history or history demanded heroic deeds from them. Perhaps it was a little of both. But standing in the cemetery at the Normandy Beach and observing row after row of those who gave their lives for a cause greater than themselves, I am humbled by those who died so future generations could live freely.
There is another thought that crossed my mind in this crowded necropolis. I don’t understand how anyone, much less the president of the United States, could apologize for American actions abroad in the last century or this one. With all the mistakes and miscalculations, there has never been a force for good more notable than the United States’ military.
Ask the citizens of Caen, Bayeux, St. Lo, Archante what they thought about G.I.’s in their midst. Residents of these towns were saved from enslavement by Americans who fought Panzer divisions in their backyards. Generals Eisenhower, Patton, and Bradley left devastation in their advancing wake, but they brought with them armies that yielded freedom and set the stage for a level of prosperity Europe has enjoyed ever since.
It is difficult for most Europeans to remember the past. After all, who wants to remember an uncle that bailed you out of a jam? Here in Normandy, however, conditions are different. Citizens of this region were there on the front line. Omaha Beach is Bloody Omaha to them and the American flag still stands as a reminder.
This June, the 65th anniversary of D-Day will be celebrated. For most Americans and most Europeans it is simply another day in late spring. Some octogenarians may remember that fateful day when the liberation of Europe began. Many, however, knowing nothing about history will be disinclined to pay any special attention to the day.
I recall seeing Steven Spielberg’s film Saving Private Ryan, in which, with extraordinary verisimilitude, the director recaptured the events at Omaha Beach. As the film began and the bloodshed was evident, a young lady seated behind me asked her friend, “What war do you think this is?”
For the fallen heroes lying in their graves this ignorance is lamentable. Perhaps it explains why President Obama can apologize and apologize again and many Americans can applaud, or at the very least, accept his gesture for foreign consumption. I cannot. I am appalled that we can ignore, forget or rationalize away American heroism.
I don’t think we should ever apologize for what the United States has done to extricate millions from the yoke of totalitarian control. It is not arrogance to recall the limbs that were shattered and the bodies broken to set history on the course of democracy, imperfect as it is.
Before President Obama stands supinely before the G-20 again and engages in a form of national self-flagellation, I would urge him to stand amid the crosses and stars in Normandy cemetery and recall the sacrifices made by those youngsters so that he could be president of the United States and breathe an unadorned version of freedom
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Herbert London is president emeritus of the Hudson Institute and the author of America’s Secular Challenge: The Rise of a New National Religion (Encounter Books).
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Darryl L.| 5.19.09 @ 6:37AM
Excellent article and sad, yes, that we have a president that seems unable to accept that the USA rates a special place on the worlds stage. I have walked the beaches of Normandy- Utah, Omaha, Juno, Gold and Sword. I have talked to the locals, who still hold a special place in their hearts for their American, English and Canadian liberators. It is a humbling experience. Boy, do we need a Reagen right now. We need a cheerleader not a narcissistic apologizer.
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 6:42AM
What a remarkably simplistic view of history the author must have!
Undoubtedly, US troops (along with British, Canadian, and Free French soliders, sailors and airmen) participated nobly and heroically on June 5, 1944. But America's participation in that conflict did not begin nor end on that date.
One may ask why, if the enemies the US troops were fighting against on 6/6/44 were so terrible - did the American public (and a large swath of Republican political establishment) stridently oppose any "foreign intervention" up until the day the US was attacked? Voting in lockstep against the Lend-Lease act with the same sort of small-minded fear-mongering that today's Republicans aim at President Obama.
Or go further back, and ask why it was that Republicans politicians (including Sen. Cabot Lodge) refused to ratify the Versailles treaty - thereby gutting the international framework that might have prevented the rise of Hitler and other dictators.
Conservative writers seem to view world history, to say nothing of current political and economic theory, through a lens that is so minute as to totally distort their vision of reality.
achilles| 5.19.09 @ 7:31AM
Instead of addressing the premise of whether or not our president should be overseas telling everyone he is sorry for the sins of our country, Drew attacks Republicans of the 1930's. What a simplisitic view of history? Why don't we go back even further-- if it werent't for those democrats, we would not have had a civil war over slavery. There were valid reasons to oppose getting into a war in Europe, just like there were valid reasons to oppose a war in the middle east. Stop being such a partisan, Drew.
JamesJ| 5.19.09 @ 7:31AM
June 5? liberals refuse to learn history
Sean| 5.19.09 @ 7:37AM
Russia beat Germany, the US beat Japan.
LogicalUS| 5.19.09 @ 7:49AM
And there you have your answer...Drew is much too "intelligent" to recognize the utter goodness of millions of Americans who would go thousands of miles away from their homes to free other people.
He wants to hate this country like a good sheep of the indoctrinated left so he must find a way to rationalize away the hugely noble efforts of our fathers and grandfathers in order to fulfill his own need to hate what they built.
Obama went to Berlin, the very center of Nazism, and what to all serious people should be a shining light of the beauty which is America and its citizens. Millions of Americans waged a ghastly struggle thru Europe to defeat the very definition of evil on earth, the Nazis. Thousands paid with their very lives. And in a true highlight of world history, when they finally vanquished the Nazis and the German nation which had followed them, we not only gave them their country back but funded their rebuilding of that nation and then fought for the next 50 years to protect them from the other repulsive exterminators of the 20th century, the Soviet communists, who were every bit as ugly as the Nazis. And Drew clapped orgasmically as Obama when to these people to apologize for "our" behavior. Unreal. Wonder what the men who fought with their buddies across Europe would have thought to know that less than a century later, this man would go to that city to belittle them and their children's actions?
The Left has to belittle these great men who gave them everything they now hate, otherwise they would look like the ingrates.
Timothy L. Pennell| 5.19.09 @ 8:14AM
"Russia beat Germany"? "The U.S. beat Japan"? I guess this 'SEAN' Idiot, is one of those little pukes, who agrees with this MISTAKE, we have in the White House. They think they're so smart. You'ld never catch one of THEM, serving their country, in uniform. No, no. They're too smart for that. That's for the dummies. Let THEM go FIGHT, and DIE. The SEANS of the world, need to stay home and put their two cents in. Which is about what they're worth. What a PUNK. Like the PUNK in the White House.
Sean| 5.19.09 @ 8:14AM
The arrogance Obama speaks of is on full display here; twenty million Russians died in the conquest of Germany, and the author can't see past the two hundred thiry thousand or so GI's to even acknowledge Ivan's sacrifice.
Big J| 5.19.09 @ 8:17AM
Excellent article.
The answer is simple, as Drew confirms. The Left absolutely despises the United States. It's that simple. Apologizing for our arrogance and mishandling of certain situations has become en vogue.
The way I see it, if this country is so horrible, why not just leave? Hint: that's part of the Freedom thing that so many fought and died for.
There are many countries out there that would better suit you. Venezuela, Cuba, Mexico, maybe even Iran. They don't appear to be as arrogant, dismissive and derisive as the current country in which you reside.
Most of us don't like the idea of this "New America" you are pushing.
I, for one want the old one back.
Don L| 5.19.09 @ 8:22AM
It was desecrated by Clinton with his faux grief -it will be erased as the good (No greater love has a man than to die for his neighbor) when Obama finishes with it. The left's attempt (think Kerry and his medals and "ready to serve") to appear strong on defense has been been put to bed with our new embrace of the annointed one and his penchant for apoligizing for our good.
Mike| 5.19.09 @ 8:25AM
Sean seems to forget what the Russians did with their part of Germany after the war. Should we thank them for sending their twenty million pawns to advance the spread of Communism?
Vaemar| 5.19.09 @ 8:26AM
Russia beat Germany because it had British and US supplies convoyed to it at great cost, and because much of the German Army and air force was diverted to Italy, the Mediterreanean and France and to anti-aircraft defences against Anglo-American air-raids. Also because allied bombing was destroying German industrial production. Russia lost 20 million - possibly very many more - largely because of bad tactics.
LogicalUS| 5.19.09 @ 8:28AM
Yes, Sean and then the Soviets lead by that wonderful humanitarian, Stalin, quickly moved to enslave the portions of Europe when they had "liberated", yet you are too dense to recognize the difference? What does that save about you? Simplistic, huh?
In a less "intellectual" time, the Seans and Deans of Germany and Eastern Europe were willing to risk life and limb to surrender to the Americans because they understood the difference but not the know-things of today's left? They can always find a rationale for hating the nation built by these great men and the decisions they made.
Nick| 5.19.09 @ 8:29AM
The Russkies got what they deserved, along with the Krauts. This what happens to nations when they reject Chist for anti-Christs. We should have let them annihilate each other.
Sean| 5.19.09 @ 8:40AM
LogicalUS isn't very. Fact is, Russia defeated Germany, but the US wants the credit. That's arrogance.
Indiana Alex| 5.19.09 @ 8:49AM
Liberals hate this country. They always have. They want to "remake" America.
Sound familiar?
Indiana Alex| 5.19.09 @ 8:55AM
Hey Sean,
Get off my lawn you hippie.
Louis Jenkins| 5.19.09 @ 9:20AM
How can a president with no vested interest in the United States do anything but apologize for the actions of such a barbaric nation as ours? For that matter there is no concrete proof that he is a US citizen. OB sees the US as just a small part of a bigger government-ie, the UN, and he will grovel, scrape, and bow, and urinate on the graves of the US-Normandy dead , just to get in on sum a da' action. Now that's change we can believe in.
Sean| 5.19.09 @ 9:24AM
Bunksocks fear logic, always have. They resort to personal attack like any anklebiter would.
TennesseeVolunteer| 5.19.09 @ 9:26AM
Liberals need to pick which states they want, I suggest California, Michigan and Massachusets for starters. We'll pay to move our conservative brethren to conservative, small government states.
In five years, they will have food riots and people begging to come to our states. I don't know one liberal who makes something, builds something or grows something (marijuana?).
Georgie Girl| 5.19.09 @ 9:30AM
Actually Russia lost 27 million men. But do take into account that Stalin was not a good field commander and didn't use strategy to conduct war. He underestimated Hitler's daring. And he ordered the killing of 1 million Poles who dared to oppose him when he took the easterm part of Poland. To say nothing of his own people he put in Gulags and had shot who wanted to speak out. The Russians used those figures too. He only fought Hitler because he feared he would out take lands he wanted. No nobleman was he!
MrMom| 5.19.09 @ 10:09AM
Actually, we should credit the Russians a great deal in the defeat of Nazi Germany - they did carry a large part of the burden. But they also deserve a large part of the blame for their actions in 1939 which allowed the whole war to get started in the first place. Recall that they were the Nazi's allies at the beginning of the war, more than willing to carve up Poland (and Finland), not to mention take out the Baltic States.
As for the Republicans being isolationists, I seem to recall the Far Left being highly isolationist, not to mention some being pro-Germany, as long as Germany and the USSR were allied. It wasn't until Germany attacked The Motherland in June 1941 that the American Left came to support the Allied cause. It was their Pearl Harbor, so to speak. Only then did they call for America to do everything it could to defeat Germany - all because a third country was attacked.
WWII was a near run thing, as Wellinngton said about Waterloo. We can only be grateful that Germany and the USSR decided to pound on each other for four years rather than us and Western Europe. I shudder to think what woud have happened had they decided to carve up the world between them, not that that was ever likely.
Brian| 5.19.09 @ 10:21AM
Drew is a typical, semi-literate leftist.
The US was isoloationist? And whose fault was that? The left's, if anyone's.
Read Berlin Diary. One reason France fell so quickly to the Nazis was that the USSR directed French Communists to not resist Stalin's treaty partners. Unions and other leftists in the US, fought to keep the US out of the war.
"refused to ratify the Versailles treaty" - Yes, that would have solved everything. Ratifying the treaty that bankrupt Germany, punished innocent people and led to the rise of an extremist like Hitler. Ratifying that idiotic treaty would have solved everything.
Nick in Virginia| 5.19.09 @ 10:27AM
When 0bambi went to Germany and apologized for "his" country, I was furious (I wasn't aware that Kenya had done so much to the rest of the world that it needed to apologize). Here are a few things we (the US, that is) should apologize to the Germans for:
I'm sorry we defeated you twice in two world wars.
I'm sorry we interrupted your drive to world domination.
I'm sorry we prevented you from implementing your "final solution" to the "Jewish problem".
I'm sorry we spent 45 years defending West Germany from the communists.
I'm sorry that our efforts against the communists resulted in the German nation being reunited.
I had more for France and the rest of Western Europe, but I'll leave that out of this post.
Oh, and by the way:
Sean: if Germany didn't have a western front to take care of, they would have ultimately defeated the Soviets, because the Allies would not have been contributing to the Soviet war effort. Conversely, if they didn't have an Eastern Front to fight, they MAY have defeated the Allies in Europe. But once the arrogant Hitler broke his non-aggression pact with the Soviets, he signed his own death warrant.
Drew: you are indeed an idiot.
NavyBrat| 5.19.09 @ 10:31AM
Sean. I see that the revisionist history you've learned has taken firm root in your feeble mind. If it weren't for the US supplying the Russians by convoy in the early stages of the war, there wouldn't BE a Russia. It was the sailors of the US Merchant Marine who braved the u-boat infested waters of the North Atlantic to deliver military aid to the port of Archangel. HUNDREDS of sailor lost their lives to make the trip, & many made it multiple times. Courage on a level as foreign to you as Arabic. It was US P-39 Aircobras that were shipped to Russia, along with trainers, that enabled the Red Air Force to become even a remotely effective fighting force. That enabled the Red Air Force to pound the Panzer divisions. All because of us.
As for your denigration of the Republicans of the past, yes, they did have their isolationist stances in the pre war years, but after Peal Harbor, & in the middle of the war, none of them were saying, "This war is lost," "We're air raiding villages & killing civilians," as the current DEMOCRATS have done recently. Go read a book by John Keegan. Maybe that can reverse some of your revisionist indoctrination.
Old Texican| 5.19.09 @ 10:34AM
Drews and Seans
...across this country ALMOST make me want them to get all their wishes fulfilled.
Just carry their silliness and their upside-down historical "knowledge" to its rational conclusion.
They tut tut individual courage of our troops during WWII and the long cold war.
They throw bouquets to the Soviet slaves marching in front of their "political officers" who had guns in their backs.
I wish somehow the Drews and Seans could be placed in some kind of alternate present history that doesn't include the America in actual history.
Or perhaps a history that did not include Jesus Christ...
Oh yeah, picture their whining...(very quiet whining to be sure), if we Christians and freedom fighters were all to just sit down and hand the future to them.
We wouldn't be giving them jobs.
We wouldn't be protecting their freedom to whine loudly in public.
They probably would not even have such an invention as a computer or internet available to them.
Their parents would not have earned enough money to give them all the free time to whine.
The irony in all of this, is that they get all their wishes...they loose everything.
But no...We shall not sit down and hand history to these nasty children. We appreciative Americans will continue to muddle along, throw the tyrants out soon enough, and by so doing, allow these children...to remain cranky children.
Wizardman | 5.19.09 @ 10:42AM
Hey Drew- could it possibly be that Americans, having been mired in the depression of the 30's, had a difficult time dealing with the economics of a second war, just after a "world war", and therefore resisted involvement until the U.S was attacked? And in regards to the Senate vote against the Treaty of Versailles- the vote was 28 Republicans and 21 Democrats for ratification, and 12 Republicans and 23 DEMOCRATS AGAINST ratification. I am no wizard in math or logic, but it appears to me that it was the Democrats in the Senate that shot down Wilson and his Treaty; Drew, this really was not a good example for you to present as a "distortion of reality". If this is indicative of the education that you received, you deserve some kind of refund. Oh, by the way, just for your edification, it was the Democratic Party, that from its inception up until the 1960's that was the political party responsible for propogating slavery and segregation- just thought I'd throw that in for ya.
Thunderbottom| 5.19.09 @ 10:52AM
Yes, the Soviets lost over 20 million in the Second World War (about three-quarter of them civilians) but what Sean and other liberals forget (or don't know) is that, just before the Nazis invaded Poland, von Ribbentrop and Molotov signed a non-aggresion pact. When Germany invaded Poland from the west, the Soviets invaded Poland from the east and forcibly annexed the independent Baltic states - Lithuania, Latvia, and Estonia. The signing of the Russo-German non-aggression pact triggered a flight of members from the American Communist Party. While isolationist Republican congressmen and senators opposed getting involved in the war in Europe, Communists in the U.S. and western Europe railed against the Allied/Axis conflict as a "war between competing imperialist powers". Even while bombs were falling on London, British Communists like "Tubby" Rosen were excoriating the British government for choosing to fight Germany instead of suing for peace. Up until the morning of the invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941, Soviet trains were still shipping oil and other raw materials to Germany to feed the Nazi war machine. It wasn't until AFTER the Soviet Union was invaded that the Communists and their "fellow travelers" did an abrupt about-face and DEMANDED that the Allies open a second front to relieve the beleagured Soviets. Yes, the Soviets fought the Nazis all the way to Berlin and paid a high price for doing so. And how did Stalin repay his soldiers and citizens who fought so bravely behind enemy lines? Well, a lot of them were sent to GULAG labor camps for suspicion of "collaboration with the enemy" because they had either been POW's or had merely lived in Nazi-occupied territory instead of fleeing to the east.
Mike| 5.19.09 @ 11:01AM
Let's stop the fighting about Germans and Russians and all just agree that Obama sucks.
Doctor Right| 5.19.09 @ 11:11AM
Sean:
You're a moron.
Russia could never have defeated the Germans on the eastern front without the assistance of the west, and the USA in particular. Our lend-lease program provided them with invaluable equipment, including ammunition, planes, parts, material, and weaponry.
It was a marraige of convenience. We had to help the enemy of our enemy in support of a common goal - defeating Nazi-ism...But it was a tough choice.
Personally, I'd have preferred to let Hitler and Stalin chew each other to pieces. Many (including ignoramuses such as yourself) conveniently forget that Stalin and Hitler were ALLIES prior to September 1st, 1939 (and since, Sean, you're so friggin' stupid, you probably have no idea what that date means). Stalain and Russia signed a pact with the Devil - literally - and they got what they deserved as a result.
Worst mistake of World War 2? Truman's capitulation on Eastern Europe. He should have taken Patton's advice, and offered Stalin a choice: Get the hell out of eastern Europe, or take a look at these NIFTY photos from Hiroshima and Nagasaki. But because of Truman's stupidity, we had to endure a 50-year Cold War, including Korea, Vietnam, Czechoslovakia, Poland, etc.
So shut the hell up, Sean, you stupid ass, and demand that your worthless left-wing teachers actually teach you history.
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Sean| 5.19.09 @ 11:29AM
Does the author even mention Russia? No. That's arrogance, end of story. What's so hard to understand?
Throwbacks like Dr. Reich can't grasp the logic. Boo hoo. Does he know that Russia was lobbying the League of Nations to stop appeasing Franco and Hitler in their assault on Spain, and Italy for the rape of Ethiopia? Where was the western world when called upon to act on principle?
Doctor Right| 5.19.09 @ 11:41AM
So Stalin was using the League of Nations to gin-up anti-Fascist sentiment!?!?
WOW!! What a humanitarian! That Uncle Joe! He was such a people-person! Anyone who would imply that he had political motives for doing so is just a cynic!!
Sean...You're a moron, and a left-wing loving f-tard. I know it. You know it. Everyone on this board knows it.
Now please...Come back when you need more humiliation or education...Whichever comes first.
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 11:42AM
Yes, all us liberals hate America. Gosh, it must be so EASY to be a conservative. You're all sooo smart.
What utter nonsense.
The fact that American servicepeople fought nobly and sacrificed during WWII, does NOT somehow give the United States a "free pass" for all sins before and after. German soldiers fought just as valiantly for their country at Stalingrad and Casino - but you don't hear modern-day Germans claiming that this somehow absolves their country of war guilt.
Pretending that the United States is utterly blameless for any and all actions in its past, present, and future is intellectually and historically absurd. Grandpa caught a bullet at Iwo Jima - so I guess that makes it OK for the US to have toppled Mossadeq. GIs handed out candy bars - so My Lai and Haditha didn't really happen.
This may come as complete shock to many of you - but Liberals love the United States just as much as anyone. We love and admire the principles of freedom, democracy, and justice upon which the nation was founded; and we honor and esteem the generosity, sacrifice, and courage exhibited by its citzens and Government throughout its history. But that doesn't mean we are so deluded to think that, in certain instances, both our Government and our citizens haven't acted in ways we might wish otherwise.
Big Leo| 5.19.09 @ 11:47AM
Republicans were the only isolationists before WW2? How about the Communists and their 'Progressive' friends? The Daily Worker and 'Progressive' journals were very anti-war right up to the day that the Soviet Union was invaded - June 22nd, 1941. Then they became pro-war overnight. Drew seems to have attended a public school for his history lessons.
Sean| 5.19.09 @ 11:54AM
You don't need a good reason to do the right thing, Dr. Reich, and a good reason is never enough cover to do wrong. Don't you read your catechism?
Stan Redmond| 5.19.09 @ 12:07PM
If Obama had the same magical time machine the Bush family has (blame Bush for everything) then no wars would have been fought. Obama, with a generous supply of tea, cupcakes, and conflict resolution pamphlets, would be able to travel back through time to visit historic war mongers. Obama has only been in office 100 days and the world is more peaceful and secure than ever. And where it isn't, well that's obvious, it's bush's fault.
And digging around my great grandfathers old military medals I came across a ring hand carved from a spent shell. "Ypres" Idiots like Sean and Drew will never understand or appreciate sacrifices made by ordinary people to advance and defend liberty. The belief is so firm they have to invent the conspiracies that wars are only fought for profits by evil corporation and the dreaded Jews.
MrMom| 5.19.09 @ 12:11PM
To equate the actions of Germany in WWII with ANY action the U.S. has EVER committed is absurd. No, the U.S. is not perfect - and we have plenty of things to atone for - but let's not compare mountains to molehills and claim that since they both rise above ground level, they must be the same thing.
Doctor Right| 5.19.09 @ 12:20PM
Sean:
Like the idiot-boy who currently resides in the White House, you've mastered the art of saying something without actually saying anything.
And, also like idiot-boy, it's because you're an unnaccomplished, know-nothing ignoramus.
So I guess you're in good company..?
Please...Keep it coming. As your intellectual superior, I like shooting fish in a barrel.
NavyBrat| 5.19.09 @ 12:24PM
"- but you don't hear modern-day Germans claiming that this somehow absolves their country of war guilt."...Drew
Well, no sh*t, Sherlock. They aren't proud because they were the aggressors & murdered 6 million Jews & about a million other "undesirables." We, however, can be proud that if it weren't for us, the whole continent would STILL be speaking German. The Brits can be proud because they beat back the Luftwaffe in the Battle of Britain. They can be proud for withstanding the firebombing of London, which lead to the firebombing of Munich, Dresden, Bremen, & Berlin. And that helped to sap the industrial strength & morale of the Reich.
As for benevolent Uncle Joe, where was the western world during the purges? Where was the League of Nations & then, the Useless Nations? Where is the outrage of people like you at the abject misery, suffering, & death caused by guys like Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Che, & Castro? All I hear is your deafening silence & stupid equivocations. You are either willfully ignorant or blatantly stupid. Either way, your lack of intelligence has been highlighted wonderfully by your drivel ridden post.
Doctor Right| 5.19.09 @ 12:25PM
Drew:
Wrong. Libs like you HATE America because you hate and fear the things that make this nation great.
You have a child's (or a leftist's) understanding of history...Meaning, you don't understand history at all. History has put THE LIE to leftist dreams...Or maybe you failed to notice??
You talk the talk about "loving" freedom, but like Barack Idiot-Boy Obama, your actions weaken freedom and threaten to destroy the fabric of our GREAT nation.
You and your ilk are parasites who suck off the marrow that sustains our country. And like parasites, you will be destroyed.
Obama and his buds are short-term phenoms...
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 12:57PM
Bad History, Bad Logic, Bad Politics
"I came across a ring hand carved from a spent shell. "Ypres"
Unless I'm sadly mistaken, no American soldiers were involved in the fighting around the Belgian town of Ypres. The WWI battles there are mostly associated with (on the Allied side) those of the British forces. And yes - those troops believed (with some justification) that they were fighting for King and Country, justice and liberty.
But whatever gives this grandson the arrogance to state (based upon his discovery of what may be no more than a penny-ante souvenir) that he somehow holds a suprior moral position?
With the benefit of ninety years of hindsight we may confidently say that British troops in WWI were fighting on the side of the angels. But does this mean that Great Britain has always acted correctly in Northern Ireland? Or Palestine in 1947? Or in invading (along with France) Egypt during the Suez Crisis of 1956-1957. (President Eisenhower certainly didn't seem to think so...)
Did Tommy Atkins suffering in the Passchendaele battles mean that Great Britain had the God-given right to reassert its authority over Singapore or Burma in 1945 (General MacArthur certainly didn't think so...)
The author of this ridiculous piece of historical selectivism opened himself up to the (legitimate) counterargument that OTHER countries' soliders have fought bravely and suffered during wartime. And yet those nations seem to have managed to reconcile these facts without constructing an intellectually bogus weltanschung that they can never admit to any past failings.
Lastly - when it comes to "making mountains out of molehills" one might well ask who, exactly, is doing so? In speaking to the world, President Obama (the target of Mr. London's risible smear job) concedes that (in the past) the US may have acted arrogantly and dismissively - while in the same breath, challenging the same allied societies who have shown a reflexive anti-Americansim. (Sorry - that part got cut out of your "fair and balanced" Fox News coverage.)
Such honesty and responsibility (and aren't these, in essence, Conservative principles?) strike deep chords within the hearts and minds of their intended audience: Europeans know that, for all of their multi-cultural posturing, that their societies are perhaps generations away from a time when a mixed-race individual such as Obama could ascend to the highest office in their nation.
Conservatives may choose to purposely misinterpret and mangle Obama's words. But it is readily apparent that they lack both the historical perspective and intellectual honesty to recognize them for what they truly are: The strongest blows possible to advance the principles of peace, justice, and international cooperation that our nation, and the world, so desperately desire.
Tom| 5.19.09 @ 12:57PM
Drew:
I grant you that our country has made past policy mistakes, but if you were a reasonable person than you would weigh the good with the bad. I would argue that if it weren't for these heroic 18 and 19 year olds in 1944 paying their last full measure of devotion to our country; you would be speaking german or japanese and the freedom to spout your anti-American garbage would cease to exist. I pray you are not one of these young men our country needs today. Please go away.
Griff| 5.19.09 @ 1:05PM
"twenty million Russians died in the conquest of Germany, and the author can't see past the two hundred thiry thousand or so GI's to even acknowledge Ivan's sacrifice. "
Sean,
That's also about the number of human beings killed under Soviet socialism, isn't it?
Wizardman | 5.19.09 @ 1:17PM
Dr. Right- you may upgrade your handle to "Doctor Right On"!! Isn't it pathetic how the left believes in its pseudo- intellectualism (massive government spending can actually reduce debt/ most government programs are wildly successful), its fake morality (waterboarding is immoral, killing unborn babies is moral) and its hypocritical compassion (liberals measure their compassion by the amount and volume of their rhetoric, not their deeds, thus resulting in government mandates that impel citizens to provide "charitable assistance"). The ultimate failure in liberal thought is that, since man is the only animal that is capable of reason, the left fatally assumes that all men wish to reason, hence the left's record of historical failures. Continue your excellent posts.
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 1:34PM
"but if you were a reasonable person than you would weigh the good with the bad"
Well, what exactly IS the proportion of good vs. bad?
If you were to say that the United States government foreign policy over the past century was "99% good" versus "1% bad" - I don't believe I (or President Obama) would argue with you.
But whatever the number - it is self-defeating to not only pretend, but moreover to loudly scream - that it is ZERO. It ain't. And the more stridently we pretend that the US Government, military, and society have never made a mistake, or committed a horrible act, then the less credibility we have, not only with our enemies, but also with our friends.
Old Texican| 5.19.09 @ 2:09PM
Ah Drew
The only number that is zero is you and your fellow children...that have done zero!
We who do stuff make mistakes. You cranky children have a "zero" record. You have none NOTHING but whine.....zero.
Tell that to Saint Peter! ...or the dogfood grinder after you are dead.
Hey...we have screwed up! You on the other hand have not screwed ANYTHING.
gO TRY TO ACCOMPLISH SOMETHING BEFORE YOU ARE DOGFOOD.
Old Texican| 5.19.09 @ 2:12PM
...in the words of one of our more articulate posters...
OBAMA SUCKS!
NavyBrat| 5.19.09 @ 2:24PM
"The author of this ridiculous piece of historical selectivism opened himself up to the (legitimate) counterargument that OTHER countries' soliders have fought bravely and suffered during wartime."...Drew
How is it "historically selective" when the author is talking about American sacrifices, glossed over by an American president, in an American publication. Yes, we all know that the other countries contributed heavily to the war. That's why they were called the Allies. That's what Allies do. Oh, & please, refresh my memory, when have the British, the French, & the Russians ever admitted the faults of their former empires & regimes? NEVER!!! Our country has made mistakes, yes. But those mistakes (and I'd LOVE to see what your idea of 'mistakes' are) are small in comparison to the good we've done the world. Last I checked, it was willfully ignorant little kids like you who engaged in revisionist history to make things more "fair & PC." Right down to the type of thinking that lead Sean to make the roundabout statement that b/c Stalin approached the League of Nations about the dangers of fascism, then he was some sort of "great guy" who was "misunderstood" by history. Such is the folly of that type of thinking, to consider one non barbaric act by a barbarian & mass murderer, that keeps ignorance alive & well these days.
ncatty| 5.19.09 @ 2:55PM
We were in Washington last weekend for a wedding. We had limited time for sightseeing so decided to visit the new WW2 monument on the Mall. Go, and be prepared to get choked up.
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 3:00PM
NavyBrat: How is it "historically selective" when the author is talking about American sacrifices..
It is "historically selective" when you look at only ONE day in American history over the past 100 years. Yes- American history looks wonderful if you look only at June 6, 1944. But if you look at, for instance, February 19, 1942 - the day that FDR signed the executive order interning all Japanese-Americans without trial or probable cause - then the answer is somewhat less clear cut.
I really have little interest in debating this any further with you people. You obviously are so poorly informed about the history of your own country - let alone that of the rest of the world - that discussions as to the historical responsiblities of France, Britain, Germany or Russia, etc. are completely without merit.
Conservatives continue to cede any sort of intellectual, moral, or legal "high ground" - I refuse, point blank, to wallow any further in the filth that Mr. London, et al seem to have created.
NavyBrat| 5.19.09 @ 4:01PM
Hey Drew. Guess what? I have a degree in it. I've forgotten more about history than you'll know in your entire lifetime. Do all countries have things in their histories that they aren't proud of? Of course. You are so quick to blame your own country for all the evils in the world. Your are also quick to downplay your country's achievements. I love my country, good, bad, or otherwise. Don't you think that the whole premise on which our country was founded is quite the contribution to history? The idea that a man can make his own way, without interference from a burdensome, & in many cases, tyrannical central government or monarch. Guess you're not proud of that, either. It is you, little boy, who needs to relearn some history. Your supposed knowledge of history only goes to show the abject failure of public education. And that's saying a lot coming from me, being a product of such myself. I just had a Dad who was a history major before he went to dental school. He was born 6 days after D Day. And he taught me how to decipher the true history from the BS revisionism that was rife in the texts I learned. And when I got to college, I was fortunate enough to have profs who didn't editorialize, they just taught. They let us draw our own conclusions. Try reading history without the prism of revisionist nonsense. You might learn something. Not that I'll hold out any hope.
Since you're leaving the thread, there's an appropriate quote for you:
"Some cause happiness wherever they go; others, whenever they go."...Oscar Wilde
As you can imagine, we are ELATED at your departure. I only feel MORE stupid after reading your posts, thinking that you have anything pertinent to say. Silly me.
JP| 5.19.09 @ 4:10PM
"Or go further back, and ask why it was that Republicans politicians (including Sen. Cabot Lodge) refused to ratify the Versailles treaty - thereby gutting the international framework that might have prevented the rise of Hitler and other dictators. "
Drew,
You need to stop hyperventilating and actually read up on the history you so proudly know so much of. The above cited paragraph of yours is truely wrong. The Treaty of Versailles was put into affect. It just wasn't passed by Congress. That is, the US wanted no part of it.
Versailles was part of an international European order that was partly of Wilson's making. It created nations out of thin air, increased ethnic hatred, and did more harm than good. In order to get the Germans to agree to an cease-fire in November 1918, Wilson lied to the Germans about how they would be treated. And concerning the only solution to deter future German agression (the return of the Reich to its pre 1870 borders, and the removal of the Ruhrgebiet from Prussia), Wilson strongly opposed. So, what the Europeans got was a Germany that lost territories to a nation that it defeated (Russia), an indemnity it could not pay, and a France and England who had nothing to show for its efforts. Wilson, who fought hard to get get the US into the war (today who have been called a warmongering neo-con), sought to keep partially the status-quo ante of 1914. He and his AG Palmer stirred up so much anti-German animosity, the average voter was dumbstruck when he argued that Germany should remain.
Versailles, like most of Wilson's dreams was a top-down travesty that would have involved the US into an endless series of crisis it could not afford to police. Wilson's continued desire to keep the US on a continued footing of War Socialism ( or what Mussolini called fascism), as well as the infamous Palmer Raids, guarenteed his defeat in 1920.
The Versailles Treaty has gone down as one of the worst diplomatic travesties of the 20th Century. The US Senate was wise not to ratify it.
Wizardman | 5.19.09 @ 4:10PM
Drew- I think that the history of this country appears quite favorable since its inception, since July 4, 1776 to June 6, 1944 and to the present; I, and most others on this site, would disagree with your comment regarding "selective" history (by the by, isn't Febuary 19, 1942 quite "selective?). No one would disagree that wrongs have occurred; however, liberal thought is that man is inherently good, so any wrong committed must be intentional and therefore blame and condemnation is warranted. Also, by retroactively applying today's knowledge to past events, as is the norm in educational institutions these days, it is an easy way to reaffirm your moral relativism, that being that no one thing, person(s) or nation is better than another, and any actions that would suggest otherwise must be opposed. Thus the liberal bent to denigrate this country and its accomplishments affords some weird catharsis, giving those individuals some feeling of superiority, yet it will never take away from the real accomplishments of those that have sacrificed for this country.
JP| 5.19.09 @ 4:16PM
Drew,
Since you have such passionate ideas of how the US did more harm than good over the decades, could you please give an example of one nation that we should emulate in our foreign policy. And please, do not mention Sweden (refer to thier actions during the Thirty Years War, not to mention thier invasion of Russia during the reign of King Charles), or Switzerland.
Whom would you pick?
Jim B| 5.19.09 @ 4:43PM
Tennessee Volunteer,
Please don't send none uv them there Liberals to Massachuetts. We got too durned many of em now. We're alreddy goin broke because of them SOB's.
Marc Jeric| 5.19.09 @ 4:49PM
Please, gentlemen - ignore that far-left pest Drew; he just writes what moveon.org and dailykos tell him to write.
As for the article - excelllent! It reminded me of my visit to the Normandie beaches in 1985. I saw those crumbling cliffs that the Texas Rangers had to climb in order to stop the nazi machine guns mowing down the American troups on the beach below. I remember the American cemetery there with some 9,900 dead (beautifully maintained - thank you French); the names and ages of those boys from Kentucky, Ohio, Nebraska, etc. - why did they have to die at 19, 20 years of age so that those "salon communists" in Paris can criticize them? While sipping their espressos and Dubonnet? I am an American now, after escaping from a communist country years ago - and I konw those salon commies well; our own tenured salon commies are no different. We are living our own commie revolution here, what with Abu Hussein from Kenya as our Community Organizer-in-Chief and his ACORN brownshirts fully engaged with that $9 billion in the stimulus bill dedicated to them.
ben| 5.19.09 @ 5:34PM
To Drew
I'm sure that when you were younger, probably once or twice you snuck a cookie out of the cookie jar, told a lie or two, and possibly even talked back to your parents, but none of us are bringing up yourpast indescretions now in an effort to denigrate you as you are trying to do to our country - the country you claim to love.
LogicalUS| 5.19.09 @ 5:57PM
I see that the members here spanked the pseudo-"intellectual" Drew on the arse and sent him scurrying back to his fellow idiots at the Daily Kos.
In typical liberal fashion, Drew showed the shallow thinking skills of an indoctrinated moron just like Obama who repeatedly is stumped by the simplest history. They have NO understanding of the conditions and events involved in historical events and actions only what their "professors" have ranted about in their latest "Wonders of Marxism" class.
This is allows an idiot, like Drew, in the year 2009 to make a jackass of himself by comparing the actions of Americans and its statesmen with a true barbarian like Stalin. A man who sent nearly 10 million of his own countrymen to forced labor camps and also famines to starve 7 to 10 million more in regions with which he held a grudge. Not to mention the show trials and purges of competent men who posed a threat.
But really what type of "intellectual" would be on the left after seeing the implementation of their beloved communism and its results in countries ranging from Russia to Cuba to N. Korea to Cambodia? But I am sure, Drew, the very next time it will NOT lead to totalitarianism, destruction and misery. Damn fools!
ben| 5.19.09 @ 6:31PM
Drew, Sean and the other libs like to focus on our country's failures. They feel an overwhelming need to denigrate themselves (through their country) in order to project an air of objectivity. By recalling past failures libs feel that they are being truthful and honest, open to both sides and willing to listen. They use this practice of denigration to ingratiate themselves to others much like a comic uses self-depreciating humor. These libs believe that because they talk about our failures, they are the only ones who see truth and reality, which leads them to deduce that Conservatives are blinded or brainwashed simply because while we acknowledge our negatives we choose to focus on our country's positives.
The problem is that because the libs focus on the negatives they perpetuate those negatives and thus cannot see the positives or feel pride for their country, leading instead to the desire to change it.
Drew| 5.19.09 @ 6:36PM
A degree forsooth! Heavens - and we're looking for an argument how special America is. Do tell me, dear Navybrat, just how BIG was the package of Crackerjack from which your precious sheepskin fell.
A considerable amount of digital ink is wasted, in which various novae of the conservative constellation proceed to inform poor ignorant Drew of the many misdeeds of Comrade Stalin.
Well guess what? We already know what a perfect asshole Jospeh Stalin was. Along with Pol Pot, Kaiser Bill and Chou en Lai.
Is this truly the standard to which we now hold ourselves? "We're not as bad a Stalin..."
A lot is written in the Conservative press about American "exceptionalism" - about the unique, priviliged place America holds in world history. Strangely enough - most liberals probably AGREE with that position. To whit-
America IS special.
It is not enough to say "We torture people - but not as brutally as did the Gestapo/KGB/SAVAK..." We need to be able to say "We don't torture AT ALL"
It is not enough to say "We don't commit genocide as much as did the Nazis/Soviets/Khmer Rouge did - just don't ask us about Wounded Knee or Tuskogee"
It is not enough to say "We don't abuse prisoners of war. Just don't ask us about Abu Ghraib or Guantanamo Bay..."
It is not enough for us to say "America is a nation ruled by LAW - just don't ask us about granting immunity to those politicians who break those laws...."
America IS special. We hold ourselves up to very high standards. And we goddamned well ought to at least TRY to live up to them.
Making excuses or rationalizations as to why we don't is a pretty poor excuse for an ethical position. And nothing at all for a logical one. Hiding behind the flag, or suffering of now elderly veterans is despicable to the nth degree.
Class dismissed.
Old Texican| 5.19.09 @ 7:45PM
G'Bye Drew
You are so perfect...mmmmmmmgive us a kiss!
It IS easy to be perfect when you never DID anything...isn't it?
No one at Abu Gharib was a "prisoner of war".
No one at Gitmo is a ..."prisoner of war".
Each of those prisoners is in fact a murderer of innocents...on purpose and by design.
So:
You need to stay here and keep on ploping horse pucky on the people who keep you safe.
You guys just crack me up.
Please.........tell us one single thing you have done to improve people's lives around the world. Oh...other than whine and complain. (Smile)
Tell us one single time when you made a sacrifice on behalf of the human beings you "love" so much.
Nah!
Your biggest gesture has been pointing a finger.
Adios, good night, go find a children's site that can accept your drooling drivel.
Ain't it hell when your drivel is shoved straight up your own nose?
Kiss our hineys!
Many of us believe we will answer to God for our mistakes. You obviously do not.
Class is NOT dismissed, (grin).
You are dismissed from class.
Nick| 5.19.09 @ 8:03PM
Drew,
If liberals love America so much, why are they constantly trying to change everything about it?
If you love someone, you don't try to change everything about them. If they have a fault, you will try to change that. But once the person changes, do you hound them for the next 4o years telling them they haven't changed enough, i.e. civil rights?
Bleeding heart liberals want to change America precisely because they hate everything it stands for. That's why they libel her with lies like Haditha, which didn't happen Drew.
NavyBrat,
I would correct one thing you wrote. The nazi's killed 6 million Jews, 3 million Poles, and 3-6 million other "undesirables". 30 years ago we would just say that they killed 12-15 milliion people.
And JP, I think Wilson's stroke guaranteed he couldn't be reelected.
Wizardman | 5.19.09 @ 8:56PM
Drew's idealism can be commended; we should not ignore what is happened in the past, but also we cann0t say that because of its past America must cede its honorable place in history.
But, come on, underwear on heads, torture? Photos of naked women, torture? Prolonged standing, torture? Going naked, torture? Harmless bugs, torture? Thirty seconds of water up one's nose with medical assistance at the ready, torture? Survivors of Russia's gulag, Hitler's concentration camps, Ho Chi Minh's Hanoi Hilton, and Castro's prisons would literally die laughing if they had to sit through a liberal's rant on "torture".
We will as a nation, I'm afraid, be faced with the terrible decision in the future; to what ends will we go to protect this country from enemies that are dedicated to its destruction, most probably by nuclear and/or biological devices smuggled into this country undetected?
Do we celebrate our demise, knowing that we died with our "morals" intact, or in that terrible time will we do all that we can to survive, and learn from the past? I choose the latter-
Drew| 5.20.09 @ 1:38AM
A Challenge: Mr. London and the editors of American Spectator.
Post some evidence that this article is not just an outstanding example of the Straw Man fallacy. In other words - prove to me that President Obama has, through thought, word or deed, disparaged the US military veterans of D-Day.
But unless you can, then I suggest that Mr. London and American Spectator are engaging in a favorite pastime of American Conservatives: Necrophilia.
Yes - you read that right. Fucking the dead. Because that is what Mr. London, with his faux-sentimental ramblings about the cemeteries of Normandy is doing. He is shamelessly using the sacrifice of American servicemen to further his own (truthless) political position. And getting paid for doing so.
At long last, sir - Have you no common decency? Apparently not.
Nick| 5.20.09 @ 2:33AM
Drew,
How apropos of you to quote a commie sympathizer like Joe Welch.
ds80| 5.20.09 @ 5:33PM
Meandering through the posts, picking up nuggets of wisdom an d truth ...
(1) Mike: Obama sucks.
(2) Drew: liberals hate America
(3) Drew: Conservatives are sooo smart.
Ok. Drew has summed it up for us nicely. See? Even a pseudo-intellectual like him stumbles across truth sometimes.
ds80| 5.20.09 @ 5:37PM
Drew!
F-ing the dead? How adolescent of you. Gosh. I remember the first time I (shhhhh) used a swear-word, too.
Oooooh.
Jim| 5.20.09 @ 6:57PM
Drew,
I saw first hand what your fellow travelers did in Vietnam and then again in Rhodesia. Years later I also saw the fruitation of your type of thinking in Cambodia. I always found it laughable that while the killing was taking place cowards like you were never around.
Jim| 5.20.09 @ 7:01PM
Drew,
I seem to remember obama using the dead at Auschwitz as a political prop, not to mention his
bogus story about his war hero uncle. You are a retard.
John Squyres| 5.21.09 @ 4:36AM
Will Obama apologize that American war graves are taking up so much space in the French countryside?
Sean| 5.21.09 @ 7:34AM
Synopsis: the arrogant Americans Obama speaks of are all conservative.
Frstpete| 5.21.09 @ 4:00PM
Do you always ask Islamic aliens to care about the sacrifices of US soldiers?
KeepTheChange | 5.22.09 @ 11:34PM
Is there no end to Obamination sympathizers like "Drew" and "Sean"?
Let me clue you in on something, boys!
When you speak ill of the mission, you speak ill of those performing the mission!
And some people would beat your little liberal asses for saying such a thing!
HOW DARE YOU!
You panzy-ass little sh*ts aren't fit to shine the shoes of our brave men and women in uniform!
Del Jones| 6.6.09 @ 8:43PM
“The Longest Day”
June 6, 1944
On those shores of Normandy
Those sixty-five years ago
There was an amphibious landing
The largest, this World would know.
Many thousands stormed those beaches
Although many, never reached the land
Washed upon, foreign sands by waves
Where, all those Heroes took their stand.
Named, Omaha, Sword and Juno
Gold and Utah, where they died
It was our foothold there in Europe
Which would not, could not, be denied.
To liberate those Countries occupied
By that terrible, Nazi war machine
Where People sought their Freedom
From the tyranny they had seen.
It made Hitler change his plans
To invade the English countryside
There’s no doubt it dashed his hopes
To, spread his rule, worldwide.
It began the march through France
Towards the Battle of Berlin
To the end of such an evilness
We hope, to never see again.
Today we Honor those who Served
All those dead and those alive
Although their numbers are dwindling
Our memories of them, will survive.
Four hundred twenty-five thousand souls
Both sides lost, before it was all done
In the Battle of Normandy
That began, that day, the “longest” one.
Del “Abe” Jones
06.06.2009
"Mankind’s greatest accomplishment is not the revolution of technology it is the evolution of creativity " copyright Del "Abe" Jones 1984
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High-quality article on an intersting topic. For me, who wasnt active in the war I have read lots of articles and books about D-Day and Steven Spielberg's film Saving Private Ryan - this all has painted quite a good overview of the event and I cant imagine what the soldiers felt in the war and after that if I am shell-shocked by just watching a movie and reading about it. I wonder if people who live this through ever will be close to the same person they used to be...
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