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Judenrein Judea
Restrictions on “natural growth” of Israeli settlers in the West Bank should be a nonstarter — instead they’re official U.S. policy.
In his meeting with Vice President Joe Biden last week, Israeli President Shimon Peres is reported to have said that “ending natural growth in settlements was a non-starter” and, in his own words, that “Israel cannot instruct settlers in existing settlements not to have children or get married.”
If it sounds like a gag, it’s real. “Natural growth” was officially made an issue in the “Performance-Based Roadmap to a Permanent Two-State Solution to the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict,” promulgated by the U.S. State Department in 2003 under the auspices of the Quartet (consisting of the U.S., the EU, the UN, and Russia). That document, as part of the Palestinian and Israeli sides’ responsibilities under Phase I of the roadmap, states that “GOI [Government of Israel] freezes all settlement activity (including natural growth of settlements).”
Just a year ago, then-Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and three other ministers from the Quartet expressed “deep concern at continuing settlement activity and called on Israel to freeze all settlement activity, including natural growth.” Peres — who, it should be stressed, is a dove and no enthusiast of settlements — was presumably fielding a similar appeal from Biden when he tried to remind him of elementary biological reality, and, moreover, of the fact that Israel is not a Chinese-style dictatorship.
Indeed, these days almost all Israeli settlement activity in the West Bank, or Judea and Samaria, is of the natural-growth variety (which, it must be confessed, includes building new houses for growing families). The days when Israel assertively built new settlements in the territories in defiance of U.S. wishes are gone. The result, though, of settlement activity — including “natural growth” — going back to 1967 is that today a total of about 300,000 Israelis live in the West Bank.
Of those, about two-thirds live in the “large settlement blocs.” In his April 14, 2004, letter to then-Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, then-President George W. Bush stated that:
As part of a final [Israeli-Palestinian] peace settlement, Israel must have secure and recognized borders, which should emerge from negotiations between the parties in accordance with UNSC Resolutions 242 and 338. In light of new realities on the ground, including already existing major Israeli population centers, it is unrealistic to expect that the outcome of final status negotiations will be a full and complete return to the armistice lines of 1949.
That sets out U.S. policy — and, one might add, moral and practical sanity — pretty clearly: ejecting those 200,000 people in the “major population centers” is not in the cards, whatever their “natural growth.”
And what about the other 100,000? Most of these live in areas beyond the security fence, and most of them are the more ideological type of settlers who feel a strong religious attachment to Judea and Samaria. Of these, the newly appointed Israeli ambassador to the U.S., Michael Oren — also, by the way, no particular enthusiast of settlements — writes this month in Commentary:
The creation of Palestinian government, even within the parameters of the deal proposed by President Clinton in 2000, would require the removal of at least 100,000 Israelis from their West Bank homes. The evacuation of a mere 8,100 Israelis from Gaza in 2005 required 55,000 IDF troops — the largest Israeli military operation since the 1973 Yom Kippur War — and was profoundly traumatic. And unlike the biblical heartland of Judea and Samaria, which is now called the West Bank, Gaza has never been universally regarded as part of the historical Land of Israel.
No, with a final Israeli-Palestinian agreement nowhere in sight, and with the removal of all those settlers having become a practical impossibility, it looks as if the roadmap’s, Rice’s, and Biden’s worst nightmare — that Israelis will keep living in these places, and keep, if I may be blunt, having babies — is going to come true.
Which brings us, of course, to the moral issue that has long been obscured and forgotten: why would “peace” entail the forced expulsion of at least 100,000 people, and even if a sovereign Palestinian entity were to arise in the West Bank, why would it have to be Judenrein?
That it has, for the most part, been bipartisan U.S. policy for decades — notwithstanding America’s own religious and ideological roots in the Bible and the Land of Israel — to bow to the Palestinian, Arab, and Muslim demand for a Judenrein Judea is what leads top American officials to accost Israel about “natural growth” without realizing that they thereby trample the most fundamental human, or at least Western, norms.
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P. David Hornik is a writer and translator in Beersheva, Israel, blogging at PDavidHornik.typepad.com.
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Dave| 5.12.09 @ 8:05AM
David Mathews, it would be best if, before you spout off you took a little time to get better informed.
If Israel is indeed a genocidal state, they aren't very good at it. After a quick trip to Wikipedia, a little over 19% of the Israeli population is Arab and Muslim. There are Arab/Muslim members of the Israeli Knesset.
But then, why let the facts stand in the way of a good rant.
Bram| 5.12.09 @ 8:43AM
Please look up post WWII expulsions of Germans from Prussia and Poles from Eastern Poland. Oh wait, those expulsions were ordered by Stalin so they are okay.
Red Phillips | 5.12.09 @ 8:47AM
The "official U.S. policy" towards Israel or any other Middle Eastern State should be no policy. Disengagement and non-intervention as Washington advised is what is desperately needed in the region.
jim rice| 5.12.09 @ 9:17AM
seriously. If they're God's people, shouldn't we just let God deal with it? If America didn't care about oil so much, I bet all those people would have figured out their own problems years ago.
British Israel Fraud| 5.12.09 @ 11:49AM
British Israel Uses Christian Fundamentalist Evangelicals to Promote the "Kingdom of God on Earth' Scheme to Deliver Up A One World Society-Both Feudal and Fascist
"British Israel" is a term used by the anonymous author of a brilliantly written 1970 book titled The Union Jack, to describe the manipulative efforts of elite British oligarchs to create a one world feudal society-controlled by British oligarchs of course-by first creating the state of Israel (via the British inspired 1917 Balfour Declaration), and then using Christian fundamentalist propagandists to promote the idea that Christ will physically return to Earth and will rule a "Kingdom of God on Earth' for a thousand years (the 'Millennium') from His earthly throne in....you guessed it... Jerusalem!
The only problem is, that after million upon millions of deceived Christian fundamentalists passively give up their constitutional liberties, their country's sovereignty, and their freedom in the mistaken belief that the Apocalypse, Armageddon and End Times scenario is an inevitable 'prophecy' from God that must take place before we can be delivered into the Happy world of the New Millennium, they will finally discover that they've been delivered into a satanic, feudal slave society that will no longer tolerate any talk of Christ or Christianity- assuming they are still alive to enjoy the 'Kingdom of God on Earth'.
The frontline promoters and propagandists of the 'Kingdom of God on Earth' scenario include all the well known TV evangelical personalities like front-line British Israel promoter John Hagee, Benny Hinn, Jack Van Impe, Paul & Jan Crouch of Trinity Broadcasting , Jesse Duplantis, Kenneth Copeland, Pat Robertson, Billy Graham, Robert Shuller, Jerry Falwell,, Rod Parsley, Fred Price, Kim Clement,and Kenneth Hagin among others, but their ranks are also swollen with lesser known evangelical, pro-Israel promoters who show up on UHF, cable TV, and radio stations every Sunday morning to pitch the soon-to-be-realized Great Tribulation and End Times "prophecies". A large percentage of these televangelist employ shouting, flamboyant movements, repeated phrases, and various histrionics to pump up the emotions of the audience in order to achieve a very specific technique of brainwashing called 'conversion'.
Bob Miller| 5.12.09 @ 12:07PM
Jim Rice said, "If they're God's people, shouldn't we just let God deal with it?" Like any other nation, America is rewarded for supporting God's people and punished for lack of support.
Find the truth| 5.12.09 @ 12:17PM
education has made of them "Jews" impatient with gradual revolution and militant in their desire for blind revolution. They are seditious with respectability under complete control of the spiritual power of British Israel. Their new education of "what's behind Communism" has hidden the master plan. Such is the deceit of British Israel that can alienate a nation against itself by changing its spirit.
We name the following jew-bait books: JUDAISM IN ACTION, WATERS FLOWING EASTWARD, THE PLOT AGAINST THE CHURCH, THE PLOT AGAINST CHRISTIANITY, THE RIDDLE OF THE JEWS' SUCCESS, THE SECRET WORLD GOVERNMENT, BEHIND COMMUNISM, THE RULERS OF RUSSIA, SECRET SOCIETIES AND SUBVERSIVE MOVEMENTS, THE WORLD HOAX, KNOW YOUR ENEMY, THE ULTIMATE WORLD ORDER, CHRIST WAS NOT A JEW, CAUSE OF WORLD UNREST, PROOFS OF A CONSPIRACY, THE FRAMEWORK OF A CHRISTIAN STATE, THE INTERNATIONAL JEW, THE RED NETWORK, IRON CURTAIN OVER AMERICA, ANTISEMITISM, THE JEWISH STATE, THE JEWS, THE NEW UUHAPPY LORDS, THE ARCHITECTS BEHIND THE WORLD CONSPIRACY, THE ROTHSCHILDS, STRANGER THAN FICTION, STILL 'TIS OUR ANCIENT FOE, UNDER JEWISH RULE, WAR, WAR, WAR, WHAT WE DISLIKE ABOUT THE JEWS, THE WORLD CONQUERORS, TRAIL OF THE SERPENT, MEIN KAMPF, RISE AND FALL OF THE THIRD REICH, THIS TIME THE WORLD, THE BEAST OF THE APOCALYPSE, FACTS ARE FACTS, JEWISH ANTI-COMMUNISM, JEWS MUST LIVE, JUDAISM AND BOLSHEVISM, OVERMAN REPORT, PAWNS IN THE GAME, THE TALMUD UNMASKED, TENNEY REPORTS ON WORLD ZIONISM, THE ULTIMATE WORLD ORDER, JEWISH RITUAL MURDER, THE JEWS by H. Belloc, THE FRENCH REVOLUTION by Nesta Webster, THE RULERS OF RUSSIA by Fahey, TRACKING DOWN THE KILLER, ADAM WEISHAUPT, A HUMAN DEVIL, by Gerald Winrod, THE REVOLT AGAINST CIVILIZATION, IN QUEST OF THE WHITE GOD, SPENGLER LETTERS, THE OUTLAW'S DIARY, THE SOCIALIST NETWORK, THE JEWS COME TO AMERICA, THE CONQUEST OF THE WORLD BY THE JEWS, RACIAL AND NATIONAL IDENTITY by William P. Gale, and many many more. We add to the list of books a few journals and magazines which are seditious jew-bait. They are: THE COUNCILOR, COMMON SENSE now extinct, THE THUNDERBOLT, THE CROSS AND FLAG, ACTION MAGAZINE, PILGRIM TORCH, FIERY CROSS, and many others. None of these books and publications expose the Christian State plot carried on mostly by the right wing.
In the jew-bait trickery we must understand that ideologies are divided between created or fabricated political issues with the combatants all of one spirit. To understand this spirit we must dissect the etymology of the extra Biblical Christian State Kingdom of God on Earth, for herein is the plan of conquest by the British Empire
CFR| 5.12.09 @ 12:28PM
The Council on Foreign Relations, headquartered in the Harold Pratt House in New York City, has decided to use religion to manipulate the masses in the final drive for global domination and totalitarian rule.
Richard Haass, president of the Council on Foreign Relations, is a Jew.
Rick Warren Obamas guy| 5.12.09 @ 12:31PM
Rick Warren's books, uses the well-known occultic phrase, "as above, so below." In the King James, we find a quite different rendition, the wording, "Thy Kingdom come. Thy Will be done in earth, as it is in heaven."
Every student of the occult instantly recognizes the motto, "as above, so below." This ancient occult formulation, taught from the days of the Egyptian/Greek god, Hermes, brings with it the doctrine that all things are One, that there is no God outside of us, that heaven and earth are now and have always been a unity, and that we, ourselves, are collectively "God." The earth is God, the stars are God, nature is God. All is One. All is Divine.
Of course, this is pantheism; it is classic Hinduism and New Age. This new gospel is of paramount significance to the Illuminati for it dethrones the external God. The new theology unites all deities and faiths. It refutes any conception of a separate heaven and hell. It sacrilizes and deifies planet earth, and it enthrones Man as God incarnate.
It is essentially the old lie spoken of in the Bible's book of Genesis, in which Lucifer promised a rebellious Adam and Eve, "Ye shall be as gods." It is the lie prophesied in 2 Thes. 2 to come to fullness in these last days, the lie in which the whole world will believe and be damned. It is the lie which is described by the Apostle Paul as the Strong Delusion. This lie represents the Great Apostasy, the falling away that was prophesied.
spacetuna| 5.12.09 @ 12:41PM
Re: "Rick Warren Obamas guy":
WTF? I mean, WTFingF?
fundamentalist| 5.12.09 @ 1:37PM
Insisting that all Jews leave Palestine is like insisting that all Muslims leave Israel. What nonsense! If Arabs want the land for a new Palestinian state, then they should accept the Jewish inhabitants of some of it and welcome them as citizens.
WTF| 5.12.09 @ 1:45PM
These parasites needs to be poisoned. They are like fleas sucking on the blood of the entire world.
They will end up in Hell, soon
Tim| 5.12.09 @ 2:27PM
Wow, a mind really is a terrible thing to waste.
Skep41 | 5.12.09 @ 2:40PM
Its amazing that we now have a government that is aligning itself with the Palestinians. Maybe Morocco, Iraq, Syria, Egypt, and Yemen could ease the problem by giving the Palestinians the properties seized from the Jews that they expelled in the fifties. You know, The Right Of Return. I guess that 'right' only works one way. When i listen to the blbber coming from the Obama Administration I tremble for Israel.
Charles Martel| 5.12.09 @ 4:08PM
"Ending natural growth" doesn't have to be a "non-starter": the settlers could still marry and have children, but for every one they have, one member of the community has to leave and go back to Tel Aviv.
Yes, that is utter nonsense.
Let the "Palestinians" become naturalized citizens of the myriad other Arab states, end the refugee quagmire, and tempers will settle just as people do, slowly and gradually.
But while Barry is president, Israel, watch your back.
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Charles Martel| 5.12.09 @ 4:12PM
And will somebody please inform the asylum that some of their escapees can be found right here, furiously scribbling their paranoid fantasies about the Rothschilds, Lenin, and H.M. the Queen?
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Red Phillips | 5.12.09 @ 9:49PM
"Like any other nation, America is rewarded for supporting God's people and punished for lack of support."
But Mr. Miller, it is not clear theologically that Jews any longer remain "God's people" in any particular way. Serious Christians of good faith disagree on this and the dispensational system is the novel one. And even if dispensationalism is the correct interpretive system, it is not certain what the relationship is between the modern secular nation state of Israel and prophetic Israel. And despite your comment about other nations many American evangelicals act as if America has some special divine duty to protect Israel. I don’t hear them suggesting that Argentina for example should go to war with Iran to protect Israel.
Aryeh| 5.12.09 @ 10:00PM
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WTF| 5.12.09 @ 1:45PM
These parasites needs to be poisoned. They are like fleas sucking on the blood of the entire world.
They will end up in Hell, soon"
Um, you were born about 50 years too late. Been there; done that. Next.
What I find mind-boggling is that Condileeza Rice, Barack Obama, and the entire Liberal establishment hinge their hopes for peace between Jews and Arabs in the Holy Land on the idea of segregation of the two ethnic and religious groups, at least in the Arab state. Israel is 20% Arab.
This is odd philosophical point of view for especially the Black Liberals, since presumably they would never advocate the same for Whites and Blacks in the United States.
Roy| 5.13.09 @ 4:47AM
"since presumably they would never advocate the same for Whites and Blacks in the United States."
Sure, they would, at least people like Louis Farrakhan(granted not exactly a "liberal").
Boria| 5.13.09 @ 10:24AM
In addition to the U.S. asking Israel to curb natural growth in the West Bank, we have the Pope calling for and I quote: Mr. President, the Holy See supports the right of your people to a sovereign Palestinian homeland in the land of your forefathers, secure and at peace with its neighbors, within internationally recognized borders...
I'm not surprised American policy makers do not know the history of the Holy Land, but the Pope?
The West Bank is Judea and Samaria. It's the original land of Israel which predates Islam by millennia.
The present population of Palestine are Arabs from other Arab countries and nomads who settled there because Jews returning to Israel, indisputably their land, whilst escaping the pogroms and other persecution, gave them jobs and improved their lots!
I guess California should be returned to Mexico too when the Mexican population reaches the tipping point... This is no joke; some are calling for exactly that...
Even (Nobel peace prize winner and father of modern terrorism) Arafat is an Egyptian...
Cheers!
ds80| 5.13.09 @ 6:03PM
Red Phillips: "it is not clear theologically that Jews any longer remain "God's people" in any particular way."
The unequivoical teaching of the Magisterium is that the Jews were, are, and always shall be God's chosen people. The theological question is what does "chosen" mean. Chosen, in a covenant relationship to reveal the plan of salvation, and cooperate in a special way with the Incarnation (but that is just a thumbnail sketch of the meaning).
John Paul II in Redemptionis Anno: "For the Jewish people who live in the State of Israel and who preserve in that land such precious testimonies to their history and their faith, we must ask for the desired security and the due tranquility that is the prerogative of every nation and condition of life and of progress for every society."
That seems to clearly indicate a secured right to existence of a Jewish State.
Coming False Flag operations| 5.14.09 @ 8:43AM
THE NEW TESTAMENT VISION OF THE CHURCH IS NORMATIVE
BEHOLD YOUR HOUSE is left unto you desolate, said Jesus Christ to the unbelieving Jews. (Matthew 23) Christ finished His censure by adding, And you will not see Me until you say, “Blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord”. Thus the Jews can truly fulfill Biblical prophecy by repenting of their sins and confessing the name of the Lord Jesus Christ.
The Church is the focus of the New Testament. Did not St Paul say that the Old Testament has passed away? Did not St Paul write that a new priesthood and a new law–the law of the Spirit and not the law of the letter– is the New Testament’s creed? (Hebrews 7,8). Why then are Evangelicals and Jews haphazardly pulling passages out of context from the Old Testament to prove that the racist State of Israel is Biblical?
Zionism’s aim is to establish the Jews as rulers over all the nations. The Zionists are beginning to do this through their insinuations into diplomatic circles throughout the world. This is the main reason why the State of Israel was pursued by the Jews at the turn of the 20th century. Then the rebuilding of the Temple, (the furniture is already built), will house the Jewish Anti Christ who will terrorize the entire world with Jewish domination.
Are we not already seeing foreshadowings of the Anti Christ vis a vis the Jewish disturbances of world peace? Look at the War in Iraq. Look at the Jewish neocons crying for a war against Iran. Look at the intensification of world wide Muslim terrorism because of the injustices of the Zionist state of Israel? Christians are to “reprove the works of darkness” - not support it. (Ephesians 5)
Red Phillips | 5.14.09 @ 8:56AM
"The unequivocal teaching of the Magisterium is that the Jews were, are, and always shall be God's chosen people."
But ds80, I'm not Catholic. The Catholic position differs from the traditional Reformed position (replacement theology), but is still quite different from the evangelical dispensational position that I was getting at and that so influences many conservative Christians' position on Israel. Israel's existence is not the issue. The issue is whether there is some religious mandate for the US to help "secure" it.
The fact that sincere Christians disagree on the issue is actually a reason not to base foreign policy decisions on any particular disputable interpretation.
Do not promote the devil| 5.14.09 @ 9:47AM
If the Jews are God chosen people who are you? If the Jews are Gods Chosen people why did they want Christ dead, and if Christ was the sone of God why would he want a bunch of criminals running the world who killed his only beggoten son.
You people had better wake up before you find your self in the same Nazi styled ovens and prison camps being played out in America, because that is the plan.
When one said chosen, you better know who chose them, because it is not the god of justice kindness and love, and hope and happiness. This is Satans Kingdom, Christ said my kingdom is not of this world, and if it's not his kingdom, you better wake up to whose kingdom you are living in. Creating some FAKE Kingdom in Israel, sponcered by the Pope hence his visit, should be a warning to Gods Chosen people. It was the Romans and the Jews who put Christ to death, and here we are, looking at History repeating it's self, as Christ said, look what they did to me let alone what they will do to you.
I don't worship man, but the new Temple that they try to rebuild will cause more blood shed than when Christ was on earth, There were no Jews they were called Pharisee. They rejected Christ, and chose a murderer, they are about to do just that again.
As the Bible says see that no one deceives you, because many will come on the basis of my name, and many will be deceived, the vast majority of Americans has been deceived, by an unholy plot, because the ones who is preaching in the Fundamentalist Churches promoting murder of Abrahams children in the Arab world is as evil as the ones doing the murders. Get out of her my people or shair in her plauges and sufferings. You will see your wealth dwindle to nothing, and become destitute like the people who built America on Slavery and the victims of your ilgotten gains.
Wake up or DIE| 5.14.09 @ 10:21AM
The truth is what you have to seek, as Christ said seek and you shall find. This is the time of deception, Satan will be unleashed on the world, they call it the one world order, this is the one world order under SATAN the devil.
One world Government under Satan the Devil, because this is his world. When Christ was being tempted, and Satan said all this I will give you if you worship me, Satan could not have offered what was not his to give.
Who Claims God gave them something, only one group of people and that is the people who call them selves Jews. Most of Gods chosen people would not accept any offer of an unholy gift from SATAN, Christ refused it. Who call them selves King of the Jews today, it's not even the Jewish people it's the British Royal Family, The Empire who gave the Jews the Polts of land they call Israel today, if that is true which it is, who took the offer or better still who owned it to give them they call these people GOD, God gave me this land, all men was born to live on the earth.
What is given can be asked for it back, unless you do cirtain things, it's called strings attached.
What these people are doing in Israel is what they have been asked to do. Or USA & UK & Europe would not support these types of crimes against humanity. This is to fullfill their destiny, of mass murder and the biggest crimes imaginable against the populations of the entire world.
America does not know they are the first victims, they are the example, to show the world here is the super power we have brought to it's knees, to regain their own power around the world. Using Americans to die in wars they invented, like slaves to a system most Americans are too blnd to see. Scofield Bible was invented to control the minds of Americans, under mind control, and it has now taken over their political system to turn America into a Nazi Fascist state under the impression of Socialism, likew they did in Nazi Germany creating Communism and thus an Army of Slaves, like they have done in China under the control of the British to destroy the American economy. To create a One World Order Facsist regime, after Obama, he is only being used to accomplish the agenda.
Sell while you can| 5.14.09 @ 3:16PM
Leave America while you still have a chance to get out. America is all but finished, it's like using a bit of bread to get all the gravy of your plate, the rich is just cleaning up whats left.
Before they leave. Even the Government was having secret meatings, which was leaked, regarding the pending collapse in July 2009, they have all been alocated place of safety, due to pending civil un-rest.
Sell what you have if you can and leave America, America is finished.
How safe is a city full of unemployed people.
Jake| 5.23.09 @ 8:00PM
Famous Rapture Watchers - Addendum
by Dave MacPherson
(The statements in my "Famous Rapture Watchers" web article appeared in my 1983 book "The Great Rapture Hoax" and quoted only past leaders. Here are the other leaders who were quoted in that original printing.)
Oswald J. Smith: "...I am absolutely convinced that there will be no rapture before the Tribulation, but that the Church will undoubtedly be called upon to face the Antichrist..." (Tribulation or Rapture - Which?, p. 2).
Paul B. Smith: "You are perfectly free to quote me as believing rather emphatically in the post-tribulation teaching of the Bible" (letter dated June 9, 1976).
S. I. McMillen: "...Christians will suffer in the Great Tribulation" (Discern These Times, p. 55).
Norman F. Douty: "...all of the evidence of history runs one way - in favor of Post-tribulationism" (Has Christ's Return Two Stages?, p. 113).
Leonard Ravenhill: "There is a cowardly Christianity which...still comforts its fainting heart with the hope that there will be a rapture - perhaps today - to catch us away from coming tribulation" (Sodom Had No Bible, p. 94).
William Hendriksen: "...the one and only second coming of Christ to judgment" (Israel in Prophecy, p. 29).
Loraine Boettner: "Hence we conclude that nowhere in Scripture does it teach a secret or pre-tribulation Rapture" (The Millennium, p. 168).
J. Sidlow Baxter: "...believers of the last days (there is only one small part of the total Church on earth at any given moment) will be on earth during the so-called 'Great Tribulation' " (Explore the Book, Vol. 6, p. 345).
Merrill C. Tenney: "There is no convincing reason why the seer's being 'in the Spirit' and being called into heaven [Revelation 4:1-2] typifies the rapture of the church..." (Interpreting Revelation, p. 141).
James R. Graham: "...there is not a line of the N.T. that declares a pre-tribulation rapture, so its advocates are compelled to read it into certain indeterminate texts..." (Watchman, What of the Night?, p. 79).
Ralph Earle: "The teaching of a pre-tribulation rapture seems first to have been emphasized widely about 100 years ago by John Darby of the Plymouth Brethren" (Behold, I Come, p. 74).
Clarence B. Bass: "...I most strongly believe dispensationalism to be a departure from the historic faith..." (Backgrounds to Dispensationalism, p. 155).
William C. Thomas: "The return of Jesus Christ, described by parousia, revelation, and epiphany, is one single, glorious, triumphant event for which we all wait with great eagerness!" (The Blessed Hope in the Thessalonian Epistles of Paul, p. 42).
Harold J. Ockenga: "No exegetical justification exists for the arbitrary separation of the 'coming of Christ' and the 'day of the Lord.' It is one 'day of the Lord Jesus Christ' " (Christian Life, February, 1955).
Duane Edward Spencer: "Paul makes it very clear that the Church will pass through the Great Tribulation" ("Rapture-Tribulation" cassette).
J. C. Maris: "Nowhere the Bible teaches that the Church of Jesus Christ is heading for world dominion. On the contrary - there will be no place for her, save in 'the wilderness,' where God will take care of her (Rev. 12:13-17)" (I.C.C.C. leaflet "The Danger of the Ecumenical Movement," p. 2).
F. F. Bruce: "To meet the Lord [I Thessalonians 4:17]...on the final stage of...[Christ's] journey...to the earth..." (New Bible Commentary: Revised, p. 1159).
G. Christian Weiss: "Some people say that this ['gospel of the kingdom' in Matthew 24:14] is not the gospel of grace but is a special aspect of the gospel to be preached some time in the future. But there is nothing in the context to indicate this" ("Back to the Bible" broadcast, February 9, 1976).
Pat Brooks: "Soon we, in the Body of Christ, will be confronted by millions of people disillusioned by such false teaching [Pre-Tribism]" (Hear, O Israel, p. 186).
Herman Hoeksema: "...the time of Antichrist, when days so terrible are still to arrive for the church..." (Behold, He Cometh!, p. 131).
Ray Summers: "Because they [Philadelphia] have been faithful, he promises his sustaining grace in the tribulation..." (Worthy Is the Lamb, p. 123).
George E. Ladd: "[Pretribulationism] may be guilty of the positive danger of leaving the Church unprepared for tribulation when Antichrist appears..." (The Blessed Hope, p. 164).
Peter Beyerhaus: "The Christian Church on earth [will face] the final, almost superhuman test of being confronted with the apocalyptical temptation by Antichrist" (Christianity Today, April 13, 1973).
Leon Morris: "The early Christians...looked for the Christ to come as Judge" (Apocalyptic, p. 84).
Dale Moody: "There is not a passage in the New Testament to support Scofield. The call to John to 'come up hither' has reference to mystical ecstasy, not to a pretribulation rapture" (Spirit of the Living God, p. 203).
John R. W. Stott: "He would not spare them from the suffering [Revelation 3:10]; but He would uphold them in it" (What Christ Thinks of the Church, p. 104).
G. R. Beasley-Murray: "...the woman, i.e., the Church...flees for refuge into the wilderness [Revelation 12:14]..." (The New Bible Commentary, p. 1184).
Bernard L. Ramm: "...as the Church moves to meet her Lord at the parousia world history is also moving to meet its Judge at the same parousia" (Leo Eddleman's Last Things, p. 41).
J. Barton Payne: "...the twentieth century has indeed witnessed a progressively rising revolt against pre-tribulationism" (The Imminent Appearing of Christ, p. 38).
Robert H. Gundry: "Divine wrath does not blanket the entire seventieth week...but concentrates at the close" (The Church and the Tribulation, p. 63).
C. S. Lovett: "Frankly I favor a post-trib rapture...I no longer teach Christians that they will NOT have to go through the tribulation" (PC, January, 1974).
Walter R. Martin: "Walter Martin finally said...'Yes, I'm a post-trib' " (Lovett's PC, December, 1976).
Jay Adams: "Today's trend is...from pre- to posttribulationism" (The Time Is at Hand, p. 2).
Jim McKeever: "Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Rapture will precede the Tribulation" (Christians Will Go Through the Tribulation, p. 55).
Arthur Katz: "I think it fair to tell you that I do not subscribe to the happy and convenient theology which says that God's people are going to be raptured and lifted up when a time of tribulation and trial comes" (Reality, p. 8).
Billy Graham: "Perhaps the Holy Spirit is getting His Church ready for a trial and tribulation such as the world has never known" (Sam Shoemaker's Under New Management, p. 72).
W. J. Grier: "The Scofield Bible makes a rather desperate effort...it tries to get in the 'rapture' of the saints before the appearing of Antichrist" (The Momentous Event, p. 58).
Pat Robertson: "Jesus Christ is going to come back to earth again to deliver Israel and at the same time to rapture His Church; it's going to be one moment, but it's going to be a glorious time" ("700 Club" telecast, May 14, 1975).
Ben Kinchlow: "Any wrath [during the Tribulation] that comes upon us - any difficulty - will not be induced by God, but it'll be like the people are saying, 'The cause of our problems are those Christians in our midst; we need to get rid of them' " ("700 Club" telecast, August 28, 1979).
Daniel P. Fuller: "It is thus concluded that Dispensationalism fails to pass the test of an adequate system of Biblical Interpretation" (The Hermeneutics of Dispensationalism, p. 369).
Corrie ten Boom: "The Bible prophesies that the time will come when we cannot buy or sell, unless we bear the sign of the Antichrist..." (Tramp for the Lord, p. 187).
(saw the above just now on the web)
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