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The Facts on Fascism

By Quin Hillyer on 4.30.09 @ 6:09AM

Why I won’t back down.

Yes, it is indeed similar to fascism.

Since my April 2 column that compared Barack Obama’s economic policies (and others) to those of Italy’s Benito Mussolini, I have been denounced on the pages of the Economist, the San Francisco Chronicle, the Toronto Star, and the New York Times (less strongly denounced there than in the others, oddly enough), and by Chris Matthews (and guests Tony Blankley and Larry Sabato) on Hardball, and also had the idea made fun of by CNN morning hosts while they played a rather tame and sober interview they had done with me on the subject.

Never mind that in the New York Times on April 7 , David Leonhardt went farther, comparing the policies to the economics of Hitler in the course of saying that was a good thing because Hitler’s economics worked. Somehow, the rather fact-based piece I wrote was seen by the media elite as out of bounds, but Leonhardt’s was acceptable analysis because it was meant to praise Obama rather than bury him.

Yet Leonhardt’s column is proof enough that it is not some right-wing conspiracy theory that sees fascistic leanings in the big government, corporatist approaches taken by The One in the Oval Office.

Since then, the evidence has grown only stronger. As the Examiner noted yesterday, the Obama takeover of General Motors is astonishing in its scope and reach. The money quote from GM itself: “The U.S. Treasury will be able to elect all of our directors and to control the vote on substantially all matters brought for a stockholder vote.”

This is scary stuff. It is not just a diminution of freedom, but a frontal assault. And it’s only part of the story, the whole of which is even worse. We now have the government refusing to accept repayment of loans it made to various banks — preferring to keep control of the banks to regaining the taxpayers’ money quickly. Moving from economics to coercion and the use of the state to target political enemies, we have a Homeland Security Department targeting veterans and anti-abortionists as potential terrorists, and a White House leaving open the option of prosecuting its predecessors over honest policy choices made in a time of war and without identifying any specific domestic law supposedly broken. We see selective release of previously classified information for political purposes. We have the advancement of “hate crimes” legislation that makes it a prosecutable offense to think unapproved thoughts. (House Republican Leader John Boehner was right to say the bill makes him “want to throw up.”)

On the domestic level, again I say, all of this is straight out of the Mussolini playbook.

But again, to make this clear for those too dim to understand it the first time, let it be said that to compare policies to those of Mussolini is not to engage in radical name-calling or comparison to Hitler. Mussolini was bad, indeed awful — an authoritarian thug and bully, along the same lines as dozens of other authoritarian thugs and bullies through the years. The comparison definitely ought to scare those who love freedom — but no more than a comparison to, say, Fulgencio Batista in Cuba.

Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism, though. There is a big difference — a difference educated people once understood. We are not talking about pure evil, not talking about genocide, not talking about brutal attempts at foreign conquest, not talking about Mengele-like experiments and deliberate killing of “defectives.” What we are talking about is the beginning of a tendency toward authoritarianism (so far minus the thuggishness), especially in the economic realm. And we darn well ought to be able to make sober, factual, valid historical analogies, by way of warning — much as Leonhardt did, in his rather twisted attempt at praise of Obama — without being accused of foaming at the mouth.

It is especially appropriate to make such comparisons if one has already shown that it is not merely a partisan accusation. Some of us noted even when Bush started us on this path that it had similarities to fascist economics. And I take a back seat to nobody in having fought against real neo-Nazism on the right, as a founding board member of the Louisiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism (which carried the fight against David Duke).

Again, this is a question of freedom. It’s a question of free enterprise, free markets, and free minds. When an administration takes over banks and car companies, and makes moves to force through a takeover of the entire health care industry without the ordinary procedural safeguards, and (even under Bush) forces banks to buy other banks against their will, then this isn’t the America we know and love. This is instead a country ruled by a top-down, command-and-control, invasive, barely accountable, self-selected elite.

And that is dangerous. And, minus the antipathy to labor unions, that is the very definition of Italian economic fascism. And if Chris Matthews would put me on his show to have a civil discussion about it, his viewers would find it a reasonable and edifying conversation — with not a single bit of what Matthews described as “red hot language.”

Meanwhile, I hope Speaker Nancy Pelosi, President Obama and Attorney General Eric Holder don’t charge me with a “hate crime” for using the word fascist with regard to their policies.

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Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.

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BPT (Australia) | 4.30.09 @ 6:43AM

Yes, isn’t it interesting how when a conservative or independent compares Obama to, say, Mussolini, the elite media act like Mussolini’s personal reporters? The New York Times, of course, praised Mussolini when was in power for years, so what’s their issue? Please explain. I'm confused. Help me out.

Dan Scott| 4.9.10 @ 1:54AM

Does Palin Support McCain’s bill—Indefinite Detention of Citizens On Mere Suspicion?

Are You Scheduled For Government Interrogation If McCain’s bill 3081 Is Passed?

On March 4, 2010, Sen. John McCain introduced S.3081, The “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.”

Sen. McCain’s S.3081 would eliminate several Constitutional protections allowing Government to arbitrarily pick up Americans on mere suspicion—with no probable cause. Your political opinions and statements made against U.S. Government could be used by Authorities to deem you a “hostile” “Enemy Belligerent” to cause your arrest and indefinite detention. S.3081 is so broadly written innocent anti-war protesters and Tea Party Groups might be arrested and detained just for attending demonstrations.

Considering how often Sarah Palin defends Free Speech, one can’t help wonder why Palin is helping McCain’s reelection to the U.S. Senate after he introduced possibly the most anti-Free Speech Bill in Modern U.S. History. Perhaps Palin or her Tea Party supporters haven’t considered McCain’s legislation might be used by a corrupt government administration to crush them. Tea Parties might question Palin whether she supports Sen. McCain’s bill the “Enemy Belligerent Interrogation, Detention, and Prosecution Act of 2010.” (S.3081)

Under S.3081, an “individual” need only be Suspected by Government of “suspicious activity” or “supporting hostilities” to be dragged off and held indefinitely in Military Custody. Government will have the power to detain and interrogate any individual without probable cause. Government need only allege an individual kept in detention, is an Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent suspected of; having engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners; or has purposefully and materially supported hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners. How could one prove to Government they did not purposely do something? “Materially Supporting Hostilities” against the United States could include any person or group that spoke out or demonstrated disapproval against an agency of U.S. Government. It is foreseeable many Americans might go underground to Resist Government Tyranny. Definition for Unprivileged Enemy Belligerent: (Anyone Subject to a Military Commission)

At least under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needed probable cause to detain a person indefinitely. Passage of S.3081 will permit government to use “mere suspicion” to curtail an individual’s Constitutional Protections against unlawful arrest, detention and interrogation without benefit of legal counsel and trial. According to S.3081 Government is not required to provide detained individuals U.S. Miranda Warnings or even an attorney.

S.3081 if passed will frighten Americans from speaking out. S.3081 is so broadly written, it appears any “individual” who writes on the Internet or verbally express an opinion against or an entity of U.S. Government or its coalition partners might be detained on the basis he or she is an “unprivileged enemy belligerent”, “supporting hostilities against U.S. Government.”

How might Americans respond should Government use this bill to take away their loved ones, family members and friends on mere suspicion? It is foreseeable McCain’s bill will drive lawful political activists underground, perhaps creating the domestic terrorists McCain said we needed to be protected from.

McCain’s bill mentions “non-violent acts" supporting terrorism in the U.S. and or emanating from America against a Coalition Partner. Non-violent terrorist acts" are covered in the Patriot Act to prosecute Persons that support “coercion to influence a government or intimidation to affect a civilian population.” However, U.S. activists and individuals under S.3081 would be much more vulnerable to prosecution, if (charged with suspicion) of “intentionally providing support to an Act of Terrorism”, for example American activists can’t control what other activists might do illegally—they network with domestically and overseas. Under the Patriot Act, law enforcement generally needs probable cause to detain or prosecute someone. But under S.3081, law enforcement and the military can too easily use (hearsay or informants) to allege “suspicious activity” to detain an individual. It is problematic under S.3081 that detained individuals in the U.S. not involved in terrorism or hostile activities, not given Miranda Warnings or allowed legal counsel will be prosecuted for ordinary crimes because of their alleged admissions while in military custody.

Notably, McCain’s S.3081 mandates (merging) Federal, State and Local Police and subsequently the U.S. Military to detain and hold Individuals in the U.S., even without probable cause.

Historically it is foreseeable under S.3081 that "erroneous informant information" could be used to detain innocent Individuals. Other countries have used lying informants to imprison; even execute political opposition.

Under S.3081 government may use an individual’s phone call and email information to allege without probable cause “suspicious or hostile activity against a U.S. civilian population or the United States to detain Americans.”

(Make Your Own Determination If The Analysis Herein Is Correct) See McCain Senate bill S.3081 at:
assets.theatlantic.com/static/mt/assets/politics/ARM10090.pdf

FYI: below is enclosed a copy of “Hitler’s Discriminatory Decrees signed February 28, 1933.” Although the Nazi Decrees are written differently than S.3081, the McCain bill could bring America to the same place crushing free speech and personal liberty. Note how the Nazi Government in Section (1) and (4), similar to U.S. S.3081, suspend personal liberty— shutdown Free Speech to intimidate Citizens speaking out against Government:

See Section 1
“Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.”

Similar to McCain’s S. 3081, but using different wording the Nazi Government in Section (4) see below, suspended Constitutional rights, ordered the arrest of Citizens for any ACT that might incite or provoke disobedience against state authorities. McCain’s S.3081 instead mentions detaining and prosecuting Individuals for “supporting hostilities” against U.S. Government. S.3081 is so broadly written any person or group attending a protest could be arrested without provable cause and detained if government charged a protest-supported hostilities.

See Section 4
Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

DECREE OF THE REICH PRESIDENT FOR THE PROTECTION OF THE PEOPLE AND STATE

Note: Based on translations by State Department, National Socialism, 1942 PP. 215-17, and Pollak, J.K., and Heneman, H.J., The Hitler Decrees, (1934), pp. 10-11.7

In virtue of Section 48 (2) of the German Constitution, the following is decreed as a defensive measure against Communist acts of Violence, endangering the state:

Section 1
Sections 114, 115, 117, 118, 123, 124, and 153 of the Constitution of the German Reich are suspended until further notice. Thus, restrictions on personal liberty, on the right of free expression of opinion, including freedom of the press, on the right of assembly and the right of association, and violations of the privacy of postal, telegraphic, and telephonic communications, and warrants for house-searches, orders for confiscations as well as restrictions on property, are also permissible beyond the legal limits otherwise prescribed.

Section 2
If in a state the measures necessary for the restoration of public security and order are not taken, the Reich Government may temporarily take over the powers of the highest state authority.

Section 4
Whoever provokes, or appeals for or incites to the disobedience of the orders given out by the supreme state authorities or the authorities subject to then for the execution of this decree, or the orders given by the Reich Government according to Section 2, is punishable—insofar as the deed, is not covered by the decree with more severe punishment and with imprisonment of not less that one month, or with a fine from 150 up to 15,000 Reichsmarks.

Who ever endangers human life by violating Section 1, is to be punished by sentence to a penitentiary, under mitigating circumstances with imprisonment of not less than six months and, when violation causes the death of a person, with death, under mitigating circumstances with a penitentiary sentence of not less that two years. In addition the sentence my include confiscation of property.

Whoever provokes an inciter to or act contrary to public welfare is to be punished with a penitentiary sentence, under mitigating circumstances, with imprisonment of not less than three months.

Section 5
The crimes which under the Criminal Code are punishable with penitentiary for life are to be punished with death: i.e., in Sections 81 (high treason), 229 (poisoning), 306 (arson), 311 (explosion), 312 (floods), 315, paragraph 2 (damage to railroad properties, 324 (general poisoning).

Insofar as a more severe punishment has not been previously provided for, the following are punishable with death or with life imprisonment or with imprisonment not to exceed 15 years:

1. Anyone who undertakes to kill the Reich President or a member or a commissioner of the Reich Government or of a state government, or provokes to such a killing, or agrees to commit it, or accepts such an offer, or conspires with another for such a murder;

2. Anyone who under Section 115 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious rioting) or of Section 125 (2) of the Criminal Code (serious disturbance of the peace) commits the act with arms or cooperates consciously and intentionally with an armed person;

3. Anyone who commits a kidnapping under Section 239 of the Criminal with the intention of making use of the kidnapped person as a hostage in the political struggle.

Section 6
This decree enters in force on the day of its promulgation.

Reich President
Reich Chancellor
Reich Minister of the Interior
Reich Minister of Justice

Anya| 4.30.09 @ 6:49AM

Dangerous and scary times indeed! When double speak, lies and hypocrisy are believed in spite of history and facts we are in serious straits for sure.
Thank you, Mr. Hillyer for telling the truth, keep up the good work .
I grieve for my beloved America, we have a Destroyer in Chief leading the charge.

Deborah D | 4.30.09 @ 7:26AM

Thanks, Mr. Hillyer. Once again your courage and knowledge are noted.

Consider yourself a revolutionary, sir, in a dishonest world. George Orwell would call you such: "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

You have many individual Americans who are with you. Don't let the Pravda Press or the NY-DC axis get to you. Go to the Tea Parties where you'll be welcomed with open arms.

God bless.

Hank Rearden| 4.30.09 @ 7:35AM

Quin,

Those of us that are educated, especially in the social sciences completely understood your article last time. Leonhardt is right in a sense, but Germany was gearing up for war, it was their chief export. In a sense, I suppose you could call that investing in infrastructure. The govt has and continues sewing the seeds of our own economic destruction whilst the media jumps for joy. This is not going to be pretty.

C. S. P. Schofield| 4.30.09 @ 7:53AM

"(so far minus the thuggishness)"

If you think the thuggishness is in any way absent, I respectfully suggest that you have missed a lot of the excesses of the Political Left over the last couple of decades. When thwarted - or even simply opposed - they have tendency to resort to intimidation or outright violence. Republican campaign offices have been shot into. Churches have been invaded over the Proposition 208 business. And, left us face it, the Protests of the Political Left have had a thuggish tinge for a long time.

But I think that calling the Fascist is inaccurate. The Fascists had a grand theory. It was so much swill, but it was grand in outline. The Political Left has had to abandon much of its theory, and what is left is a hodgepodge of bits of this and that; a little Fabian Socialism, a little Marxism, a little Social Darwinism turned upside-down, and the Gods alone know what else.

So let's call them something that describes them more closely; Swine.

Mark| 4.30.09 @ 7:58AM

I would add another facet to the comparison: Obama campaigned for the creation of a national police force equal in size and funding to the military. That reminds me of the black shirts--especially when one considers his ties to ACORN and the tactics they use. When one considers that he is an advocate of infanticide (I don't know his views on euthanasia) and that he appointed a rabid pro-abortionist to HHS (with close ties to a Mengele-like baby killer) then Obama is truly scary. After all, the Holocaust did not begin with Auschwitz (which was not established until 1942). There are significant differences, though: Mussolini and Hitler were ultra-nationalists while Obama may be the first US president who hates America. Also, during the height of the Holocaust German soldiers with a conscience who refused to kill innocent civilians were able to do so without retribution. Obama has already indicated that he has no such sympathy when it comes to abortion. He changed the rules that allowed people morally opposed to the practice to avoid doing so.

I would not expect a civil conversation to be possible with Chris Matthews. I bet he still has tingles up his leg when Obama speaks. He's one of the "useful idiots" of the Obama revolution.

JP| 4.30.09 @ 8:19AM

Much of the inspiration for Mussolini's Fascisti party came from these shores. Intellectuals like James provided the theoretical means, and President Wilson the practical means. Wilson continued a rather civilized dialogue with Il Duce for years, and The New Republic and NYTs were both fans of Fascism.

President Wilson's War Socialism set the example of what centralized planning can do. From industrial management, agricultural planning, to setting limits on free-speech, and free-association, President Wilson was a trailblazer. After the war, his administration and party wished to continue this brand of progressivsim, and got trounced at the polls. Yet, the flame continued; many of Wilson's advisors would show-up in FDRs Brain Trust. Others would discover that other utopia in the USSR.

President Obama is just continuing on Wilson's legacy. As far as I know, NRO's Jonah Goldberg is the only writer to label Wilson a fascist. One should remember that fascism was all the rage from 1919 until Mussolini invaded Ethiopia.

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 8:58AM

Quinn:

Modern Democrats have suppressed memories about FDR’s early opinion about Fascism. In his book “Looking Forward” Roosevelt had strong words of praise for Mussolini and in return Il Duce, a title he received when he led the Italian Socialist Party, gave the book a very favorable review in return.

Before Stalin turned Fascist into an insult to anybody who was an anti-Communist Mussolini was considered the leader of highly respected Progressive movement. Mussolini was not clown we turned him into during World War II. He was a multi-lingual, well rounded intellectual who early on saw Marxism as a just one of many collectivist governing systems and a poor one to boot. Had he not joined up with Hitler he probably would have been heralded as the great Italian leader who kept Italy out of the Second World War

Dose of Reality| 4.30.09 @ 9:00AM

America has been a Fascist State for a long time, it's always been as long as its the Blacks who are on the receiving end.

No one was worried then, when it was the Blacks that was the victims. Now there is the Palestinians getting blown up with American bombs, the Iraqi, people, then there will be the Iranians, and then the Americans themselves.

That is why people must ask questions, find out the facts, because if its OK to kill based on colour, and Race, and Religion, then when they trun the bombs on you don't be surprised, because you accepted it before why nont now?

James Newland| 4.30.09 @ 9:13AM

Fascism is a creature of the Left, not the Right, Mr. Hillyer. That's not just an attempt on my part to avoid the association. It's simply a fact, as any fair assessment of fascist principles will reveal.

It's true that the European Communists considered Fascism a rightist doctrine and wished it to be portrayed as occupying the other end of the spectrum from themselves, because Fascists aren't particularly concerned with the class struggle and radical egalitarianism. But even though the (stated, if not actual) ends of the two systems differ, the means are the same, as they share a common love of highly centralized power brutally exercised for the "common good"--i.e. the good of the state.

In America, which has no history of monarchy or despotism, Right and Left are conceived differently. Fascism has no connection whatsoever with American right-wing politics. The American right-wing seeks to limit governmental power, not to expand it. In fact, it is the modern Left in America that resembles the Fascists most strongly. Insofar as racists and neo-Nazis might be thought to resemble the Right, it is only because they are opposed to a federal government that doesn't currently share their views. However, neither group is opposed to government power and centralization in principle, as true right-wingers are. The ongoing attempt to lump them in with us is nothing but part of a long-standing smear campaign of the political Left, one which I regret your participation in.

Old Texican| 4.30.09 @ 9:25AM

Quinn
We need a new noun to stop America's slide into subjection. Let's lay aside "left, right, facism, communism" etc. and see if we can all coalesce around a new term that will prick every American's deepest and best motives and actions.
Thoughts?
Ken

Ran| 4.30.09 @ 9:30AM

Quin,
"And, minus the antipathy to labor unions, that is the very definition of Italian economic fascism."

Union-ranks transparency has been reduced significantly. Card-check legislation too, in the works, may well have language that permits unions to hold open votes for contract ratification - further alienating worker's rights. It isn't the Union as such being held in utter contempt, but the rabble paying the dues. The emerging antipathy to Unions applies directly to the rank-and-file while the Party and the Unions pop champaign.

In one way, it's far worse than Italian economic fascism: At least in Italy some Unions represented opposition. This is Chicago Fascism.

Carbonicus| 4.30.09 @ 9:33AM

Dave Matthews, where are you? This board needs some omniscient genius like you to point out our racism, failed economic policies, corporate raping of the environment and the "little man", and why Quin is dead wrong (again).

Cat got your tongue? Did you get swine flu (how ironically appropriate that would be!)? Did we scrub you clean off this site?

Oh where for art thou, Dave????

Jim Neubacher | 4.30.09 @ 9:35AM

What is seemingly forgotten is Sovereignty. We were gifted a Republic... if we can keep it and each individual is the most important to making the system work. The great portion of the dumbed down population are slaves of socialism which in the end ... when citizens vote themselves leaders and/or monies at the expense of the labor of others and compounded by government choosing business winners and losers through over-regulation in creating goods, and yet under-regulation for monetary policy... We now face a system of involuntary servitude for those that produce, and slavery for those trapped in the social programs... society will degenerate to revolution and then dictatorship... just a metter of time ... Can America wake up and face the challenge?

Michael L. Hauschild| 4.30.09 @ 9:41AM

Quin,
Closet water off a staunchly conservative ducks back. Keep up the good fight!

Bill| 4.30.09 @ 9:54AM

"Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism, though."

True enough. But how can anyone make the claim that the political pholosophy of the Left is not totalitarian. Totalitarianism is the philosophy that all of life is subject to the political process.

Someone please name for me something the Left has not politicized. Here is a short list of issues politicized by the Left: marriage, sex, speech, thought, relationships, faith, education, science, economics, energy...and on and on.

Thomas| 4.30.09 @ 9:59AM

Fascism, communism, authoritarianism, totalitarianism. All of this is simply a futile exercise in semantic debate. The truth of the matter is that the current administration is simply continuing the traditional path of government in general. Government exists to control. And that is exactly what our government is doing.

The fascism of Mussolini and Hitler, the communism of Stalin and Mao; they are alll the same at base. They take government to its inevitable end point, totalitarian control of the governed. Now the United States is rapidly reaching the point where we can count our government among the ranks of totalitarian governments. And it doesn't matter a hoot whether you call it fascism, socialism or communism. It all means the same thing; total subservience to the State.

The American totalitarian welfare state has been one hundred and fifty years in the making and it is now coming to fruition. The only thing that can stop the natural metamorphosis of a Republican government into a totalitarian state is the people. And it is unclear if they have either the desire or the will.

So keep sounding the trumpets and ringing the bells. It may still be possible to awaken the American people before it is too late.

trotter| 4.30.09 @ 10:00AM

"Authoritarianism is not totalitarianism, though. There is a big difference -- a difference educated people once understood."

When so many on the left cavalierly use the Hitler/naziism/fascism labels to describe things that are the antithesis of their real definitions, I think it is rather obvious that we are sorely lacking in even moderately educated people. Of course, we are knee-deep in "feeling" people. But, that just exacerbates the problem.

stu.b.con| 4.30.09 @ 10:05AM

Mr. Hillyer: well said and well done again. I for one appreciate your courage and forthright assessment of the fascist march. Keep up the good fight, we've got your back!
Carbonicus: I'm guessing l'il davey's mummy and daddy have either kicked his dead ass out of the house(finally) or cut off his allowance. I, for one, don't miss his adolescent prattle.

MAS| 4.30.09 @ 10:28AM

I didn't read the pior article but I have been saying a lot of the same things to my friends, getting looks of disgust and being called a Nazi myself. Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Dave Mathews| 4.30.09 @ 10:53AM

Thank Mr. Hillyer for a well written article. Those who do not understand what is going on don't see the direction that such polices inevitably lead. Just because generalized thuggery does not yet seem to have exerted itself in any significant degree at this point should give small comfort to to those whose viewpoints are taken to be increasingly marginalized by the so-called mainstream. It will come.

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Al Adab| 4.30.09 @ 11:34AM

Dear Texican,
Good moniker by the way. Might I suggest Patriot or Constitutionalist. The first has been so politicized as to almost be a bad word, but we should not allow one side to dominaste the language ala 1984. The second seems more observed in the breach but could be a useful definition of where we want to move the country. Other ideas?

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 11:41AM

Have you ever been called a black Nazi? Well, I have been called just that for suggesting that limited government debt and taxation would lead to a healthier economy.

Crazy college brainwashed reactionary knee-jerk leftists. They are completely unwilling to listen to an opposing viewpoint. I fear that this unflinching allegiance to socialist principles played a major factor in the crossroads that we're at now.

NOLArising| 4.30.09 @ 11:51AM

Obama and Liberal Fascism in general shall be perpetually thwarted in these United States, if for no more basic of a reason than the vastness of our geography. Mussolini/Hitler were lifted up on the backs of broken peoples living in depleated, densely populated regions. Obama operates under the flawed misconception that the whole of the US is a nothing but a vast continuation of the economically bereft midwest and susceptible to being "organized" by ACORN. The One would truly be rocked by spending quality time among the remaining throngs of the sons of pioneers who inhabit rural Texas, or the seclusive, self-reliant Cajuns of south and cental Louisiana, or the growing ranks of "neo-rednecks" that populate a newly industrialized southeast, principally in the perpetually maligned and unassuming State of Alabama, from which, in my humble opinion, the next wave of national leadership will emerge (a rising and "Rolling Tide").

You do us all a great service, Quin, with your regular exhibitions of courage and wisdom. Thanks and keep up the good work!

TEXAS MALE | 4.30.09 @ 11:54AM

Old Texican said: "We need a new noun to stop America's slide into subjection. Let's lay aside "left, right, facism, communism" etc. ...

james wilson| 4.30.09 @ 12:12PM

Congratulations! That is like the cleanup hitter for the visiting team getting booed in Yankee Stadium.
What really brings a smile to my lips is that the Obots have strapped themselves into a brand that will now have no actual paying customers except government agencies. This is the most amazingly stupid hubris I have ever seen.
You can pay an audience to listen to you sing, but you cannot pay them to not laugh.

J. R. Leicester| 4.30.09 @ 12:20PM

I have been writing and saying this for several years.
My 1950's dictionary defines "Fascism" as follows:

"Fascism. 1. A strongly nationalistic movement in favor of government control of business... 2. any system of government in which property is privately owned, but all industry and business is regulated by a strong national government."

I was unable to find any clear definition of the term in any modern dictionaries.

I believe that they were intentionally "scrubbed" and/ or obfuscated by liberal professors responsible for periodic dicionary changes.

This may sound "conspiratorial, but, it is the only conclusion that I can reach. "Progressivism" is the new "term" for fascism. I refer you to the great history on "Liberal Fascism", by Jonah Goldberg. It's a hard read, but, he was far ahead of his time. As was I, I might ad.

For more inform

Robert Rosencrans| 4.30.09 @ 12:37PM

It appears obvious that Chris Matthews must go home each day and shove an air hose up his butt with the other end connected to an air compressor full of liberal hot air. He then sets the pressure to about 320 pounds and blows himself back up to the height of his liberal stature, and as soon as he gets on the air all that liberal hot air comes blowing out, not really making any sense, but liberals imbibe in the sound of a big fat balloon like creature emitting the gaseous sounds of failed liberalism.

His big fat round head is as empty as his rhetoric.

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Oldefarte| 4.30.09 @ 1:30PM

Great article, as usual, Quin! Hopefully THE TRUTH IS MIGHTIER THAN THE SWORD, and that Obama's sword will be eventually overcome by the truth [of which Quin speaks]. The frightening thing about our current government is the adoration and allegiance of his followers [especially the non-journalistic media] in their destructive march off of the cliff; and the American voters' apparent ignorance [pre 11/4/08] in electing him; but that is to be expected when dictictatorial political leaders control the masses' thoughts by means of a constant stream of audio and video brainwashing. If one does not have the capacity to READ BETWEEN THE LINES [or to take advantage of alternative words and thoughts, ie THE AMERICAN SPECTATOR], then they eventually BELIEVE what they read or see as truth/fact [and do not understand the concept of bias]. This authoritarianism is nothing new, as I first became aware of it during the Kennedy/Camelot days. Then, as today, Joe Kennedy's willed expertise in how to manipulate through the press and Hollywood, was used by his son to convince America that he [Jack] was not a Catholic, but a young, dymanic, intelligent, hansome super hero. The same psychology was recently endowed by Uncle Teddy to his adopted protege Obama, and we now all know the end-result. In my opinion, either Obama's pillar status will remain and increase, or an undercurrent of moderate and conservative rationalism and sanity by some Americans will result in his eventual defeat. I hope and pray that it becomes the latter!!!!

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The Real Cultural War - Transterrestrial Musings links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…May I Sleep With Treacher? « More Sad Home-Town News Light Blogging » The Real Cultural War It’s about free markets versus fascist corporatism. [Update early afternoon] Sorry, but yes, it is fascism. Which is not identically equal to Nazism. This entry was posted on Thursday, April 30th, 2009 at 8:22 am by Rand Simberg and is filed under Business, Economics, Media Criticism, Political Commentary,…

Northern Rebel| 4.30.09 @ 1:53PM

Hey, Old Texican! looking for a word? It aint new, but it applies: EVIL. Is "President" Teleprompter the Anti-Christ? Stay tuned!

D-Mat: definitely Rove over Garofalo! This might be the only thing we ever agree on!
P.S.: I will pray for you. We need all the intellect we can get, to get through the never ending crisis-mongering from the left, and you are bright, though fearfully warped by liberalism. May you step into the light soon, brother! ;o)

Son Of Sam | 4.30.09 @ 1:54PM

When the pigs start squealing, it means you stuck 'em hard and the truth just HURTS 'em.

stay strong until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam

Alan Brooks| 4.30.09 @ 1:59PM

no, again, not fascism, but brave new world.

you can count on it

westerner| 4.30.09 @ 2:08PM

To: Texican, Adab, et al
An old friend asked his stockbroker what the broker was buying. The reply: Canned goods and ammunition.

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Obama’s M.O. with Americans who disagree with him: ridicule - Saul Alinsky anyone? « links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…become. Intimidate them more. More article of interest: Lead Story Bluff called By Doug Powers 100 Days Presser: Flubbing Churchill Leftist Politics Killed the Hollywood Drama by S.T. Karnick The Facts on Fascism By Quin Hillyer Possibly related posts: (automatically generated) President Obama Talks Tea Bags at 100th Day Town Hall Why President Obama Cant Ignore Tea Bag Protest Anger Anti-Obama Tea…

DL13| 4.30.09 @ 2:29PM

Fascism can only exist where there is no scrutiny by the press of those on power. Fox received a lot of flack for not broadcasting the President's news conference last night. FoxNews did carry the news conference, and that is where I watched it. I can see why the Fox TV didn't broadcast it because, as in his other news conferences, there were no tough questions on the economy, Pakistan, the 6% drop in GDP during the first quarter of 2009, even his 1/3 million dollar photo op in Air Force One over Manhattan that freaked out, and endangered the lives of a lot of people that had flash backs of 911. It was more like a love fest between our President and those that are supposed to be watching out for us. OK, we lost, but, having the press corps in bed with the President is very scary and is the first step for the party in power (whoever it is) to get into a lot of self serving activities. "Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Fiat lux| 4.30.09 @ 2:32PM

The concepts that have been brought into sharp contrast by the Obama presidency are 'freemen' verses 'king-men'.
'Freemen' are all who love and support liberty, who seek to maintain their individual rights and privileges by a free government.
'King-men' are all who desire power and authority over others.

Sadly the president of the United States has been turned into a modern king with a cabinet and bureaucracy playing the role of advisers/priests and the court. We even have a court jester, the vice-president.
The American twist is that we elect our kings.
George the 2nd was a benevolent king. Barack the 1st is turning out to be tyrant.

John Galt| 4.30.09 @ 2:34PM

"I swear--by my life and my love of it--that I will never live for the sake of another man, nor ask another man to live for mine."

Follow this creed and there will be no economic fascism.

Or go the liberal route:

"I swear - by your life and your love for it -- that you will live for the sake of others, and you will require others to do so for you."

PIF | 4.30.09 @ 2:35PM

We are not talking about pure evil, not talking about genocide, not talking about brutal attempts at foreign conquest, not talking about Mengele-like experiments and deliberate killing of "defectives."

Not yet... it's only the first 100 days. sheesh!

JJ JR| 4.30.09 @ 2:38PM

Y'all,

Quin's a GEM--well reasoned article. Won't hold my breath that Chris ("chills down my legs") Mathews will give you a fair hearing on his show.

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Bloodthirsty Liberal » When Life Gives You Lemons, Make Autos [UPDATED] links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…tax increases? It’s all of a piece, as any student of Soviet history knows, and we’re all students of Soviet history now—or we’d better be. UPDATE: Of course, I may have the wrong -ism: Yes, it is indeed similar to fascism. Permalink Leave a Comment Name E-mail URI Pages How to Contact Us WHY “BLOODTHIRSTY”, WHY “LIBERAL”? You Talkin’ To Me? Archives…

Don| 4.30.09 @ 2:43PM

Old Texican

The new left are statists. They believe the state is the answer to all ills. Centralized control in the hands of a few elite leaders. It has some the features of socialism, fascism, pure democracy, secular humanism, atheism, etc. It equates to a bad result for American citizens.

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Obama Facism « poplicola links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…makes him “want to throw up.”) On the domestic level, again I say, all of this is straight out of the Mussolini playbook. …” Read the entire essay at http://spectator.org/archives/2009/04/30/the-facts-on-fascism Possibly related posts: (automatically generated) Why The Founding Fathers Would Want Obama’s Plans to Fail Obama-messiah grabs for complete control of nation’s…

Northern Rebel| 4.30.09 @ 2:47PM

Capitalism, conservatism, and abstinence, have one thing in common; They work every time you use them!

mike| 4.30.09 @ 2:51PM

The real problem is that many of these so called liberals have been indoctrinated through our education system and have no idea what happened in WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Civil War etc. American history is no longer being taught in our schools and colleges. It you don’t agree with the professors you are ridiculed and receive a failing grade. Not only to we need to take back our government but also our schools!

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Topics about Italy-hotels | The American Spectator : The Facts on Fascism links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…ascending movement Mykonos - My first visit - Mykonos, Greece They have stopped it What american food products cannot be purchased in Italy? | Best … The American Spectator : The Facts on Fascism Quin Hillyer added an interesting post today on The American Spectator : The Facts on Fascism Here’s a small reading Since my April 2 column that compared Barack Obama’s economic policies (and others) to…

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Topics about Italy-hotels | The Facts on Fascism links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…Late & Lengthy Review of Orchestra Apr 4-11, 2009 So subdued was she living now? She remonstrated He indicated an ascending movement Mykonos - My first visit - Mykonos, Greece The Facts on Fascism YourAutoStuff.com created an interesting post today on The Facts on Fascism Here’s a short outline Obama’s economic policies (and others) to those of Italy’s Benito … Somehow, the rather…

Paul| 4.30.09 @ 3:03PM

Mr. Hillyer

Yeah, I would probably (and this is just me, but I'm like this) avoid linking to Wiki articles about Fascist economics that tend to refute the thesis I am putting forward. You might as well have said that FDR was a Fascist.

The real problem with conservatism isn't that it's anti-intellectual but rather that it is incurious. You, sir, are incurious.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 3:07PM

Here is why "fascism" is NOT leftist:

The difference between "leftism" and "the right" might be thought of in historiographic terms. (Historiography is the theory of history and how to interpret it.)

The LEFT tends to see the possibility of a just society and fulfilling, meaningful human existence in the FUTURE. For Marx, human history has not even really begun yet: we're trapped in an endless cycle of exploitation and war that will only end in the future, with the Revolution.

The RIGHT sees justice and a meaningful existence as problematic, but generally possible only by an appeal to the past. The extreme version of this is the deeply uncivilized tribalism of fascism (think of the "blood and soil" movement in Germany).

"Liberalism" tends towards the LEFT because it generally sees cultural institutions as improvable. (Not perfectable, like Marxists dream.) It retains an orientation to the right by seeing improvement as always qualified and vulnerable.

"Conservatives" (who in political terms are "liberal," rights oriented) tend to see human nature as more deeply flawed. Institutions can be improved upon, but we must always appeal to tradition, religion, the "old ways" if we are to retain our moral compass. Conservativism is NOT fascism because of its emphasis on rights and acknowledgement that the future may be brighter, if certain principles are adhered to.

This is the best I can do on short notice, but it's one argument for locating fascism on the extreme right of the political spectrum.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 3:15PM

I enjoyed Mr Hillyer's appearance on Matthews's show, but I think Tony Blankley made some very strong points in opposition to his position.

One wonders what Mr Hillyer thinks he gains by describing the government of the most successful democracy in history as "fascist."

It doesn't really help us understand what's actually going on any better. It merely inflames people's passions and hatred.

It also seems weirdly insensitive to history. This country sacrificed enormously to defeat fascism in Europe. To judge that Americans by an ample majority just voted a fascist government into power seems unwise.

Also, the government doesn't show any tell-tale signs of fascist leanings. The economics (in my view, a spurious argument) aren't enough.

Where is the rampant militarism? Where the propaganda? Where the scape-goating of a minority? Where the firing squads, camps, or show-trials?

To say we are experiencing these things would be dishonest, wilfully perverse, and extremely obtuse.

johnt| 4.30.09 @ 3:20PM

Mr Hillyer, apologies ought not to be required. For eight years the word was thrown about with idiotic abandon, during a Republican administration, by people who showed no indication of what it meant but followed a time worn tradition on the vitriolic left.
Now the real thing is at hand, under their noses, & not a peep. You are right, this is fascism in almost a classical sense, and they're only getting started. However you may upon occasion, and as the mood fits, also use the term "statist, as in statist thugs.

Bram| 4.30.09 @ 3:25PM

Tom Paine - You gave the European definitions, not American.

American conservatives know that human nature is flawed when it comes to political power. Political power is corrupting (regardless of who presently has it). It is a necessary evil that has to be contained and limited to every extent possible.

American leftists / statists / fascists, whatever you want to call them, love political power and believe it can be used to improve everyone's lives. They even believe politicians can run auto companies better than engineers and business managers.

Conservatives are realists and know they are wrong.

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wikistan » Well, what else would you call it? links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

ioFascism War Switcher Home > SocioFascism > Well, what else would you call it? Well, what else would you call it? May 1st, 2009 Goto comments Leave a comment Quin Hillyer on today’s seeming trend towards greater authoritarianism. This is scary stuff. It is not just a diminution of freedom, but a frontal assault. And it’s only part of the story, the whole of which is even worse. We now have the…

jackbar| 4.30.09 @ 3:32PM

Sure, there's a significant difference between totalitarian and authoritarian regimes. Basically, authoritarians abolish politics, while totalitarians politicize everything. Another analysis is based on the differences between greed-based and envy-based systems. "I want a fleet of Cadillacs" vs "I want your car." Beyond that, I suggest that the first question a citizen of the US might ask is, "whose side are you on?" As a white person, forced to operate in a country where racial groups are competing for dominance 24/7 (or, at least, some racial groups are), the first thing I want to know is whether any specific group is on my side or not. Again, as a white person, it seems to me that authoritarian/Rightist groups are on my side. You don't find them supporting America's enemies (Mohammedanism, Communism, third-world countries in general, and those trashing European traditions and culture), as Leftist groups do, consistently. If you claim to have any question about which US groups are advancing the interests of African-Americans, Hispanic-Americans, or Asian-Americans vis-a-vis Americans, you aren't paying attention, you can't handle the truth, or you're on their side. Even if I accept the Left's comparisons of GW Bush as Hitlerian; the present situation in the multi-racial US is much more amazing -- it's as if Hitler were elected Prime Minister of Israel.

Al Adab| 4.30.09 @ 3:32PM

Don:
Statist is the correct word. Mark levin uses it in his book Liberty and Tyranny. Thomas Sowell uses the term "annointed". It does give a sense of what these people think of themselves. after all, in their view, Liberty is anarchy and central planning beats free markets every time. As for self-government, a delusion. That is the mindset of those currently in charge of our institutions.

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 3:34PM

. Tom Paine:

You are a poster-child for the ahistorical Stalinist definition of Fascism. The French radical syndicalist Georges Sorel developed the underlying theory of Fascism in the late 19th Century. Sorel became disenchanted with Marxist economics because he saw that the capitalist system was not developing along the expected lines. In fact, Sorel saw capitalism as dynamic system that had the capacity for limitless growth. However, Sorel remained enamored with Marxist revolutionary doctrine particularly in the part of the theory of the role of the avante guard. While Sorel never used the word Fascism, it was coined by his leading disciple, Benito Mussolini, he knew what it was. Fascism is a collectivist form of government built upon a central organizing principal. In Sorel’s and Mussolini’s view Marxism was merely a specific organizing principal and bad one at that. History has borne that out.

Fascism was and remains a doctrine of the left. It is the highest form of Progressivism. Leftism is collectivism and rightism is based upon individual rights not your BS about differences of opinion on feasibility of some future state of social justice. To the collectivist concepts of social justice are merely props used to justify the raw pursuit of power. Hitler’s National Socialist program was also about social justice and in many ways he produced a more egalitarian society then existed in both Imperial Germany and the Weimar Republic. By your definition the Nazis definitely belong to the Left.

Medbob| 4.30.09 @ 3:47PM

Without the thugishness? The rhetoric being used by the left has everything except the billyclub. We have a Pastor on the Left Coast jailed for politely offering to talk mothers out of killing their kids. We have Thought Crimes legislation on the table that would get me arrested for reading Romans Chapter 1 on a street corner. We have a CEO fired by the stockholders? No, the American People are the stockholders, it's merely our chief thug that broke his career's kneecaps.
We need a return to Constitutional Federalism with all the appropriate firewalls and checks and balances. Due to the revisionist history and logical thinking skills being taught, we stand before a giant hill of re-edumacation that has to be done. Meanwhile, the popular media throws gasoline on the fire. Do I have this straight, or have I left something out?

jillosophy | 4.30.09 @ 3:51PM

Old Texican| 4.30.09 @ 9:25AM Wrote:
"We need a new noun to stop America's slide into subjection. Let's lay aside "left, right, facism, communism" etc. and see if we can all coalesce around a new term that will prick every American's deepest and best motives and actions."
Thoughts?"

And I have one: OBAMMUNISM

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The Facts on Fascism | MT Pundit links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…valid historical analogies, by way of warning — much as Leonhardt did, in his rather twisted attempt at praise of Obama — without being accused of foaming at the mouth. Read it in its entirety here. I’ve always wondered why the Left is so hell bent on skewing the definition of Fascism. From what I’ve gathered, the “Progressives” of today equate Fascism to intolerance (and…

Ira| 4.30.09 @ 4:01PM

Quin, thanks for an insightful article.
jerryofva comments, "In his book 'Looking Forward' Roosevelt had strong words of praise for Mussolini . . . . "

Jerry, this seems very interesting. What exactly is written in FDR's book in this regard?

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 4:06PM

To J. R. Leicester

Webster's New Collegiate Dictionary, 1977

Fascism:

"1: A political philosophy, movement, or regime that exalts nation and race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible supression of opposition.

2: A tendency toward or actual exercise of strong autocratic or dicatorial control."

The privatization of automakers and banks, the torture witch hunt against former administration officials, the desire to use reconciliation to quash debate, and the upcoming nationalized healthcare push all illustrate the strong autocratic desires of the Obama administration to control formerly private industry. As a nation, we are fools for electing this fascistic, anti-American Manchurian candidate.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 4:06PM

Bram --

I think the most interesting point you make is this:

"Conservatives are realists and know they are wrong."

Nothing like an ambiguous pronoun to ruin your whole day.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 4:08PM

Despite what you people are arguing, it's still a free country.

If you want to make up definitions as you go along, you're free to do so.

If you want to replace history with fantasy, and philosphic debate with irrational accusation, it's fine by me.

It doesn't change the definitions or the history.

But you have to understand that all this paranoia and hate is going to make you unhappy in the end.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 4:12PM

The hysteria and paranoia on the right in unmanly and deeply irrational.

Get a grip, guys.

You lost an election. The Republican party is not the country. You lost; it feels horrible; get over it.

There will be other elections. You'll win some, you'll lose some. That's life in a democracy.

But for the love of Christ, stop whining!

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 4:14PM

Tom Paine:

You are correct. Your use of a Stalinist Lexicon and your ignorance of actual history does not alter the origins of Facsim on the Left nor does it negate the inhumanity of all collectivist ideologies.

Ira: Here is link to Amazon entry:

http://astore.amazon.com/theamericansp-20/detail/1417994541

Roderick Reilly| 4.30.09 @ 4:14PM

Oh, the "killing of defectives" will come a decade or so down the road with the inevitable rationing of nationalized healthcare. I'm being generous in not including the current policy of aborting of Downs Syndrome infants as "killing of defectives."

Tim| 4.30.09 @ 4:23PM

TP,

It has nothing to do with winning or loosing elections. You are right in principle but the difference now is that unlike once upon a time in America the fight is not between various parties who all strongly believe in our Republic and its constitution.

No, now you have most Reps who uphold the ideals of our Republic and constitution and most Dems who believe in Socialism and some even believe in far worse and some of these folks are in Obama's inner circle.

Whinning has got nothing to do with it. Rather, it is a call to immediate action to save our republic.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 4:27PM

To Tom Pain (ITA)

Manly? What do you know about being a man?

Troll.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 4:32PM

Tim,

I think you're simply renaming liberalism "socialism." Again, that's fine. It's a free country. But the two are very different.

Liberalism sees government action as increasing individual political and economic autonomy.

Socialism sees government action as enforcing material equality.

These might sound similar, but they are philosophically and politically very, very different.

Obama is a textbook liberal. We haven't seen one in a long time in the White House.

But he is no radical. He believes in reform, not revolution.

He did NOT nationalize the banks. He did NOT nationalize the car industry. In fact, he did something quite different. He loaned them money. This, again, is textbook liberalism.

You may not like liberalism, in which case, you should say, "I don't like liberalism."

But to sit on your worthless ass in a free country that offers you more opportunity than any other on earth, and say you live in a fascist dictatorship is simply ingratitude. It's historically, morally, politically, and philosophically ignorant and wrong.

All this braying and honking about fascism is contemptible.

Stand up and make your arguments about actual policies. Chasing these phantoms and bunko conspiracy theories is stupid.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 4:36PM

jerryofva --

Virginia is a beautiful state. You're fortunate to live in such a great place.

Now, sir, I am not using a "Stalinist Lexicon," whatever that is.

Try not throwing around terms like "Stalinist" or "fascist" for a day. Take a walk. Ride a bike. Try to enjoy life a little. Like I say, you're in a beautiful part of the world, there, and no policeman is going to break down your doors and chuff you off to a camp.

Stop all this nonsense. Really. It ill becomes honest men.

John| 4.30.09 @ 4:47PM

Nice article except for one historically incorrect assertation: "And I take a backseat to nobody, I fought neo-nazism on the right.........
Note to all readers: Re-read your history! Nazism, Facism, and Communism are all LEFT WING Socialist politics. The left in the USA has tried since WWII to make Nazism (and Facism) right wing politics. They are not and anyone who studies history would know this to be true. For readers seeking enlightenment here is the actual political spectrum from Left to Right:
Communism (Nazism + Fascism) - Socialism (Liberalism + Democratic Party) - Left of center political parties in a republic - Political Center - Conservatism (Republican Party + Founding Fathers) - Libertarianism - Anarchy. Those that disagree with this will have to back up there arguments with straw man left wing publications only. Intellectually honest and knowledge seeking persons will find this to be ultimately true. It is time conservatives stop getting smeared with the charge of Nazism. That distinction always has and always will be the badge of honor that the political left wears.

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 5:07PM

Tom Paine:

I see I have won the argument because like all so-called Progressives you move to demean rather then debate.

Terry Smith| 4.30.09 @ 5:14PM

I like Quin, but you have to know that the "fascism" analogy will not end well. Is it a badge of courage to look the buffoon? Show a little more wit and savvy Quin, and perhaps the MSM will give your ideas a more fair hearing.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 5:18PM

Tom Paine's patronizing brings no comfort to this blog.

We do not live in a democracy, we live in a Constitutional Republic. There is a distinct difference. Look it up.

Yes we can vote in new representatives, but the the systems and debt that the anointed institutes will be with us for eternity, sucking the lifeblood out of this country like that leech on Tom Paine's ass.

Ira| 4.30.09 @ 5:43PM

Jerry, the link to Amazon says nothing about Mussolini or facism.

On what do you base YOUR comment that "In his book 'Looking Forward' Roosevelt had strong words of praise for Mussolini . . . . "

If you've read Roosevelt's book, what exactly did he write that you interpret as "strong words of praise" for the Italian dictator?

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 5:46PM

Curtis --

If all you want is "comfort," go get a massage.

About "democracy."

This word has more than one meaning. Broadly speaking, "democracy" is any form of government that has elections at pre-determined times or on pre-determined occasions in which eligible citizens can vote.

The essence of "democratic government" is that the governing body is held accountable to elections that are prescribed (i.e., in accordance with those laws governing elections, not spontaneous).

A "democracy" can also be a kind of direct governing by the people. (Usually this is called "direct democracy.")

A republic is -- again, generally speaking -- a kind of democracy in which eligible citizens vote for represenatives.

You are correct when you point out that the U.S. is a republic. But it is perfectly correct to say that the U.S. is a democracy as well.

So -- if you wish, you can "look it up."

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 5:47PM

Well said, Terry Smith.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 5:50PM

jerryofva --

How did I "demean" you? All I did was suggest that inflammatory language (calling people fascists, communists, or whatever) was not civil or even remotely accurate. In addition, I praised the state you live in and recommended you go out and enjoy it. I didn't say anything deliberately to demean you.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 5:54PM

Knowledge is about making distinctions.

Consider the growth of knowledge in chemistry that led from the four elements to the periodical chart.

You can look at fascism and communism and call them both "statism" or "totalitarianism," but that doesn't really shed much light on the topic.

Diabetes and cancer are both diseases, but that doesn't make them the same thing.

Communism and fascists are, in fact, very different forms of government.

If you're actually interested in political philosophy, you want to learn about what distinguishes them, not about how similar they are.

Nobody who has any expertise on this topic debates where either goes on the political spectrum, either. That's fodder for right wing websites and talk radio. No one who studies political science even questions this issue.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 6:08PM

Other things to do besides dreaming up phony conspiracies include ... reading poetry! Try Yeats:

HOW can I, that girl standing there,
My attention fix
On Roman or on Russian
Or on Spanish politics?
Yet here's a travelled man that knows
What he talks about,
And there's a politician
That has read and thought,
And maybe what they say is true
Of war and war's alarms,
But O that I were young again
And held her in my arms.
-- WB Yeats

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Capital Research Center: links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:

…CRC One-Time Contribution Monthly Donation Home Quin Hillyer on Fascism April 30th, 2009 by Matthew Vadum Quin Hillyer of the American Spectator has a good article on the parallels between Mussolini’s Fascist corporatism and the misguided economic policies embraced by the federal government since the fall. Hillyer, who has been unfairly maligned by some…

Tyler| 4.30.09 @ 6:10PM

The problem is the term "fascism" not your argument. I am having the same issue conducting research on comparing, what I believe to be, Heidegger's philosophical response to the "German existential crisis" in "Being and Time" with that of Hitler's in "Mein Kampf." I am spending a ridiculous amount of effort ensuring that I attempt to isolate Nazism from its net result, the Holocaust and WWII...easier said than done. In doing so I fear people will be insulted, but you cannot identify emotion with an ideology when attempting to objectively analyze it. It seems many are simply reflecting their repulsion towards fascism rather than understanding that fascism did not simply occur, it was a process, a series of things occurred before the horror revealed itself. Good luck, the road ahead is knee deep in you know what.

JCA | 4.30.09 @ 6:14PM

Sorry in advance for my poor English.

Perhaps we must raise a new term (in my opinion, more accurate): "Neo-jacobinism".

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 6:18PM

Troll Paine,

Twist the meaning of words any way you like. We live in a Constitutional Republic which severely limits the power of government to intrude into my life. Our officals are democratically elected, but we are not a democracy. A democracy would allow majority rule to the restriction of the rights of lesser voting blocs and the individual. You and Obama should sit down and read the constitution some time, It would be enlightening.

You must live in a foreign country to be so unfamiliar with this concept. Your definitions are probably valid there.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 6:22PM

Curtis,

I'm a little embarrassed for you, my friend, but no hard feelings.

Democracy is a word with more than one definition. Look it up.

Read the historain Carl Becker. He wrote an excellent book on this very topic.

Or don't. I don't care. You're a fool. But that doesn't make you a bad person.

Tom Paine | 4.30.09 @ 6:28PM

Curtis et al.

Attached is an excellent excerpt from Carl Becker's 1941 classic on democracy. He was a renowned scholar and historian. Check it out.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 6:28PM

http://www.cooperativeindividualism.org/becker-carl_democracy.html

Check out Professor Becker's 1941 classic on democracy.

Melvin| 4.30.09 @ 6:29PM

The former Soviet Union split up, why can't we? Other than a civil war with a winner take all mentality, the breakup of the Union is the only other plausible solution to this Country's current dilemma.
Not that I'm being a bad sport about his, but let us be honest here, there is no way whatsoever that Liberals and Conservatives will ever find a common ground.
The Federal Government is currently fighting a undeclared war not on this Nation's enemies but fighting to weaken Conservatism to the point of irrelevancy.
Unfortunately for Conservatives the government didn't need to declare war on us, we were doing a pretty good job of destroying ourselves all on our own.

Tyler| 4.30.09 @ 6:30PM

Tom Paine...your reading of Marx is a simplistic one at best. Marx's thought was fundamentally reactionary toward modernity. If you read the manifesto and other writings, their is a repulsion toward modes of production and inherently toward technology. This is a reflection of German philosophy in general, from Nietzsche to Heidegger. Heidegger, was a Nazi and thus a fascist, but in his writings he attempted to direct individuals not to the past or future but to the present. There are problems with relying on philosophers too much in understanding where to look for answers whether in the future or in the past or in the present. All German philosophy of the 19th and early 20th centuries was plagued by an inability to come to terms with an understanding of "History," as if it is really within our capacity to make such a definitive assertion of what history is and is not.

Once the individual is not understood to be the fundamental concern within any political order, it doesn't matter what you call it, the result will be strikingly similar. As a student of political extremism, distinguishing ideologies is minor in comparison to understanding the capacity to repress, the ability to allay opposition by meeting the basic needs of the citizenry and your capacity to control social institutions (including media).

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 6:30PM

From Carl Becker's 1941 classic work on Democracy:

Democracy, like liberty or science or progress, is a word with which we are all so familiar that we rarely take the trouble to ask what we mean by it. It is a term, as the devotees of semantics say, which has no "referent" -- there is no precise or palpable thing or object which we all think of when the word is pronounced. On the contrary, it is a word which connotes different things to different people, a kind of conceptual Gladstone bag which, with a little manipulation, can be made to accommodate almost any collection of social facts we may wish to carry about in it. In it we can as easily pack a dictatorship as any other form of government. We have only to stretch the concept to include any form of government supported by a majority of the people, for whatever reasons and by whatever means of expressing assent, and before we know it the empire of Napoleon, the Soviet regime of Stalin, and the Fascist systems of Mussolini and Hitler are all safely in the bag. But if this is what we mean by democracy, then virtually all forms of government are democratic, since virtually all governments, except in times of revolution, rest upon the explicit or implicit consent of the people. In order to discuss democracy intelligently it will be necessary, therefore, to define it, to attach to the word a sufficiently precise meaning to avoid the confusion which is not infrequently the chief result of such discussions.

All human institutions, we are told, have their ideal forms laid away in heaven, and we do not need to be told that the actual institutions conform but indifferently to these ideal counterparts. It would be possible then to define democracy either in terms of the ideal or in terms of the real form -- to define it as government of the people, by the people, for the people; or to define it as government of the people, by the politicians, for whatever pressure groups can get their interests taken care of. But as a historian I am naturally disposed to be satisfied with the meaning which, in the history of politics, men have commonly attributed to the word -- a meaning, needless to say, which derives partly from the experience and partly from the aspirations of mankind. So regarded, the term democracy refers primarily to a form of government, and it has always meant government by the many as opposed to government by the one -- government by the people as opposed to government by a tyrant, a dictator, or an absolute monarch. This is the most general meaning of the word as men have commonly understood it.

In this antithesis there are, however, certain implications, always tacitly understood, which give a more precise meaning to the term. Peisistratus, for example, was supported by a majority of the people, but his government was never regarded as a democracy for all that. Caesar's power derived from a popular mandate, conveyed through established republican forms, but that did not make his government any the less a dictatorship. Napoleon called his government a democratic empire, but no one, least of all Napoleon himself, doubted that he had destroyed the last vestiges of the democratic republic. Since the Greeks first used the term, the essential test of democratic government has always been this: the source of political authority must be and remain in the people and not in the ruler. A democratic government has always meant one in which the citizens, or a sufficient number of them to represent more or less effectively the common will, freely act from time to time, and according to established forms, to appoint or recall the magistrates and to enact or revoke the laws by which the community is governed. This I take to be the meaning which history has impressed upon the term democracy as a form of government.

Michael Tomlinson| 4.30.09 @ 6:40PM

Could it be that a majority of American voters (Democrats and so-called Independents) want an authoritarian government?

As America's economy continues downhill thanks to BO's policies (best illustrated on the state level by Mass. and Maryland) look for Democrat voters to clamor for MORE government control and the squelching of Constitutional liberties in the name of fairness, equity, security and "justice." Also look for Democrat front groups like ACORN, the Black Panthers and the labor unions to use fraud and intimidation to steal elections. This is how once democratic states (Germany and Italy) became fascist dictatorships.

The demonizing of Bush, Cheney and Republicans over the last 8 years by the MSM (sadly with the help of misguided conservatives) is how tyrants and their underlings undercut the principles of democracy in the name of saving the state. Their proposed show trials are just the first step down the road of discrediting and silencing political opposition.

To the modern day fascists of the Democrat party anything or anyone that stands in the way of their power must be discredited, silenced and ultimately destroyed.

What can we do to stop this slide into modern barbarism? Stay informed and active. Tyranny triumphs when ordinary people give up the fight.

Roderick Reilly| 4.30.09 @ 6:55PM

OK, "Tom Paine," let's do it your way, and NOT call it Fascism. We'll call it "Banana" instead.

When Bananaism takes over a private concern, ignores bankruptcy laws to turn the concern over to unions and the executive branch, refuses to let large banks return loans a la Tony Soprano, and DHS categorizes statements that could be made by George Will or Chris Buckley as subversive, then Bananaism is a lousy ideology and thoroughly un-American.

Also, what's with the neo-Orwellian chutzpa of caling yourself "Tom Paine?"

BJC| 4.30.09 @ 7:02PM

Bravo, Quin! Bravo!

Words mean what they mean. And Obama's policy choices are trending fascistic at a quick clip. That Leftists (like the national embarrassment Chris Matthews) have misused as political weapons the terms "fascist" and "Nazi" and "Hitler" to slander their conservative American political opponents hasn't changed the meaning of the words. And the relevant definitions do fit what Obama's doing.

Curtis Rasmussen| 4.30.09 @ 7:14PM

My sister works for a large national bank that did not delve deeply into risky subprime loans or derivatives. The bank's financial situation is sound. Unfortunately, the bank felt compelled to take a loan from the feds at the risk of compromising it's future stance with the government.

The company put the money in a vault and did not touch it, recently offering to pay it back with interest. The government will not take it back.

What logical conclusions can one deduce from this situation?

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Martin McPhillips | 4.30.09 @ 7:42PM

Quin H. writes: "And if Chris Matthews would put me on his show to have a civil discussion about it,"

That will be the day, that Matthews would engage you in a civil discussion. The very suggestion of fascism with respect to Obama is off limits. He wouldn't hear of it if Obama was on the big screen behind him in a military uniform on a balcony.

The only reason you would be invited on Hardball would be to shout you down and humiliate you.

Matthews is an imbecile. And that's the good thing I found to say about him.

Martin McPhillips | 4.30.09 @ 7:49PM

P.S.

Liberals have spent generations calling everything that they didn't like "fascism," so it's not surprising that when something genuinely fascist that belongs to them is pointed out, they suddenly want to explore the technicalities of the meaning of fascism.

But Quin, in this article, is being far too generous about Obama. I wouldn't just not back off, I would drive the sword in deeper.

This ain't no disco.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 8:14PM

Tyler --
If my take on Marx was too simplistic for you, perhaps you'll understand that I did not view a post at the American Spectator as the place to form a lengthy dissertation on that philosopher's world-view.
Needless to say, my reading of him was abbreviated, but it was not simplistic.
Comparing Marx to Nietzsche or to Heidegger is not very productive. There is some truth to your sense of German reactions against modernity, but the differences among these three philosophers is much more salient than their similarities.
As to Heidegger being a "Nazi." Heidegger deserves a great deal of criticism for his politics. He was also one of the greatest philosophers of the 20th century, of course, and I don't think your remark about his wanting to bring people into the "present" is really responding to what I was talking about.
Fascism -- as Umberto Eco and others have pointed out -- is deeply characterized by a radical "traditionalism." I would call it "tribalism;" others may call it something else. Again, Germany's "blood and soil" movement -- of which Heidegger was a major proponent -- is a case in point.

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 8:25PM

Ah yes ... those evil Democratic front groups: "ACORN, the Black Panthers and the labor unions"

Do you people try to sound like John Berchers? Do you really work at it, or does it come natural?

Good grief. What a bunch of ignorant, paranoid lunatics.

Martin McPhillips | 4.30.09 @ 8:53PM

Mussolini was a born and bred socialist, and one of, if not the, leading socialist writers and intellectuals in Italy. He merged Italian nationalism into his collectivist agenda and came up with the Fascist variant of socialism, which competed directly for popularity with international socialism. Hitler was also a socialist, but with an even keener eye for the nationalist impulse as a means for collectivizing Germany. All of these ideologies were political religions.

Now, Obama, he has broad training and submersion in radical ideology. That church he went to in Chicago was really a political institution. It's foundational teaching was and is "black liberation theology" or "black theology," as formulated by a lunatic by the name of James Cone. It is a derivative mix of the Marxist "liberation theology" of Latin America and the "black power" movement in the U.S. from the 1960s. It is both Marxist and black nationalist.

This was ruled out of bounds by the mainstream media during the campaign. Yes, we saw the clips of Jeremiah Wright acting out in the pulpit, but voters were not really brought up to speed on the underlying principles of the church, which are more than a little disturbing. Obama got off scott free on that.

So, he had very long immersion in a socialist-fascist variant ideology.

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S.L. Toddard| 4.30.09 @ 9:13PM

I agree - Obama is a fascist! Next he'll probably start dragging people from their homes and throwing them into cages in secret gulags and torturing them, or instituting a Gestapo-like surveillance program where he can monitor the phone calls of law-abiding Americans, or maybe manufacture a casus belli to drag his country into a war of conquest like Hitler did! Man, don't you hate fascists? They are evil!

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 9:18PM

Tommy boy:

It never ceases to amaze me how unconsciously self-parodying progressives become when confronted by ideas that lie outside of their indoctrination.

The political spectrum is not Socialism on one end and Fascism at the other. The spectrum starts out with individualism and moves towards collectivism. I don't care if you call it left/right, up/down or some other scale. If you feel happy on the left then here is how it goes. The Left end of the spectrum is collectivism and the right end is individualism. Fascism and Socialism are collectivist doctrines and sit on the left. If you don't like sleeping with Fascists then I suggest you re-evaluate your politics.

phillip.bernal| 4.30.09 @ 9:28PM

Obama, his appointees, and supporters are no different than the fascists and communists of old and present day. An examination of these people reveals that they are and were mediocrities. They are and were thugs who were effective at manipulating the system, manipulating/coercing people, and bullying their way to power and influence. Obama, like Hitler, Stalin, and Mussolini, never had a real job. Well, Hitler at least served honorably in the German army during WWI. All of these men were clever and deceitful regards political calculus. They all had massive chips on their shoulders and hated people because they were such misfits during the courses of their pathetic lives. Their legacies were death and destruction. Obama and his supporters are of the same mold. They love themselves yet know that they are intellectual frauds and empty suits. They hate America and all that is decent and civil. He will try his best to
destroy this country while he is in office. His supporters will help him and reap whatever rewards they are seeking: money, power, adulation etc. God help us.

jerryofva| 4.30.09 @ 9:45PM

Tom Paine:

It is interesting that you quote Carl Becker. Becker can be said to have founded the school of historical relativism and in many ways anticipates Post-Modernism. I know you probably think the Post-Modern movement is the height of Progressive thinking but it has its roots firmly planted in the thought of Georges Sorel, Benito Mussolini, Martin Heidegger, all transmitted through the Nazi literary scholar Paul de Man.

Martin McPhillips | 4.30.09 @ 10:22PM

There is actually good reason to keep an eye on "direct action" tactics through Obama's political arm. It has happened before. Woodrow Wilson "inspired" citizen groups that went around enforcing compliance with Wilson policies and silencing dissent. FDR picked up some of that too. Goldberg covered those untidy bits of history quite well in his book.

Obama, before he joined the church, had training in the Alinsky tactics. The church itself -- in the underlying "black theology" -- views violence as implicitly justified. The way Cone phrases it is interesting, it's sort of styled not as an "if" but a "when." I suppose that's one of those "to be determined" matters.

Obama is right out of a confluence of Marxist and black power crackpottery, complete with a crossover association with the lunatic Farrakhan, that did not get the look it really did demand from the media.

Too late now?

Tom Paine| 4.30.09 @ 10:57PM

jerryofva --

re: "Nazi literary scholar, Paul de Man."

Jerry, buddy. Chill.

Paul de Man was not a Nazi. As a very young man he wrote a few articles for a Nazi front magazine, and he expressed some hateful sentiments for which he later apologized. The two thinkers with whom he is most associated, Harold Bloom and Jacques Derrida, are both Jews, and they were all friends.

Grouping him and Heidegger with Mussolini is like grouping a squirrel with the Atlantic Ocean; it makes no sense, has no heuristic value whatsoever, and betrays total ignorance about each one of these figures.

Jim| 4.30.09 @ 11:22PM

Tom Paine,
You have been downgraded from idiot to moron.
Toddard,
You remain unchanged at useful idiot.

Justin Huber| 4.30.09 @ 11:45PM

The thing that most so-called conservatives hate about Hitler is that he actually put his money where his mouth was and fought communism. It's easy to write articles and print out Sarah Palin T-shirts. It's quite another to actually take on the two headed monster of Marxism and international Jewry. Anyone who really wants to know what Hitler believed needs to read Mein Kampf, Hitler's unpublished second book and Hitler's Table Talk. You may be shocked at just how much foresight he had.

Die Rechte Ecke| 5.1.09 @ 12:03AM

Tom Paine -
First - You should've gotten of your lazy leftist troll-ass and created a different moniker - wait, you're a leftist, you depend on the producers to come up with things for you - which Tom Paine's parents did.
And Socialism and Liberalism fall under the same man, in this country.
Quin said "it's similiar to fascism."
Second - You say, "He did NOT nationalize the banks. He did NOT nationalize the car industry. In fact, he did something quite different. He loaned them money. "
Really - that's all he did? That's why the government now has controling interests and will NOT take the money back, because they didn't nationalize anything?
Come again?
I've heard of intelectual laziness, but you have to use your brain to get there.
You didn't.
Oh, you didn't.
Go back to troll-land in Huffpo/Kos-ville, VI Lenin awaits...

Athelstane| 5.1.09 @ 12:54AM

To be honest, I think Clement Attlee is a better analogy.

And that's bad enough. Britain took decades to recover from his nationalizations - and in some ways, never has recovered.

Tom Paine| 5.1.09 @ 1:51AM

Justin Huber ---

You're a sick Nazi-sympathizing fuck.

The rest of you can kiss my ass. Enjoy your new friend Justin.

Osamas Pajamas | 5.1.09 @ 2:15AM

Hey. So check out Leonard Peikoff's little book, "The Ominous Parallels: Nazism and Contemporary America" and Ayn Rand's pamphlet about the Kennedy admin, "The Fascist New Frontier." Then go visit the OhBummer White House and kick over all the coffee tables. Yeeeeeeeeeeeee Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!

Alan Brooks| 5.1.09 @ 2:42AM

How can Obama do worse than Dubya without trying very hard?

Deborah D | 5.1.09 @ 5:54AM

This quick video shows the political spectrum from left to right in an easy-to-understand way.

Pay attention all you lefties out there:
http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm

Don L| 5.1.09 @ 7:34AM

It's nice to see someone evaluate the product instead of like so many others, reiterating the commercials. This reality is playing out like some B - grade movie about the takeover of the world. In this flick, the aliens touchdown in Chicago and leave a programmed teleprompter and a dark-skinned android without the supercape -just a lifetime suppy of arrogance pills.

woodlander| 5.1.09 @ 8:13AM

This is a very important piece, seminal I hope, in the early stages of journalistic coverage of the Obama administration. The dangers of authoritarian control of the economy, as the writer points out, are real dangers that are unfolding right before our eyes -- industry executives rebuked, chastened or fired by the State, while union workers (bulk voters) are stroked and appeased. Unfortunately, the current cadre of TV news-readers, pundits, and print reporters have neither the historical knowledge nor the economic perspective to grasp what is happening or to comment on it intelligently. (All modern "reporting" is essentially commentary.) They are completely lost, adrift in the swirl of public policy "change" and their own thinly concealed reverence for a black president. There is no irreverence out there in the press corps, among which, I suspect, fully 95 percent voted for Obama and are cheerleading for him on their beats.

Very little of this drastic ongoing government intervention has been necessary. It is all public relations to convince the public that the Democrats are doing something about the recession, hence the poll numbers suggesting more people think "the country is moving in the right direction." Additionally, it is part of a strategy by Democrats, many of whom have no discernible convictions about economic freedom in the first place, to replace the American system with a command-and-control regime -- in which they call the shots. Brickbats for bankers, pom-poms for fascism.

Closely observe the president's consigliere Rahm Emmanuel -- he of the dark, brooding countenance, the history of ferocious partisanship, the multimillion-dollar investment bank windfall, the shadowy Chicago machine connections -- and try to say that he doesn't suggest a character straight out of Ayn Rand (Cuffy Miegs, perhaps) almost to the point of caricature! But of course that scowling face is now on newsstands as one of People magazine's "beautiful people." Perfect.

jerryofva| 5.1.09 @ 9:00AM

Tom Paine:

I suggest you read David Lehman’s “Signs of the Times, Deconstruction and the Fall of Paul De Man.” De Man did more then write “a few” articles for a Belgian Nazi newspaper. He was a party member and his uncle was head Belgian Nazi. While his uncle, who was a wanted man, fled to Switzerland soon after committed suicide, de Man himself was judge to small a fish to bother with. He emigrated to South American after the war and then got academic job in the US and promptly abandoned his first wife when he moved to the US. Not only is he connected to Heidegger, de Man is man primarily responsible for the old unrepentant Nazi’s academic and social rehabilitation.
Paul de Man not only hid his Nazi past, but he lied to his fawning American acolytes about his time in “the Resistance.” The only reason he quit writing for the collaborationist rag was that the real Resistance assassinated a fellow Nazi stooge at the paper and threaten him with death he continued.

Tom, arguing with you brings back bad memories of a sophomoric exchange I had with some idiot Trotskyite back when I was, well a college sophomore. I jokingly made a remark about Karl Kautsky and he in his serious tone said “Kaustsky has been refuted by Leon Trotsky years ago.” It is rather pointless to argue with an adherent of a philosophy that as your hero Marx would put it “has been relegate to the dust bin of history.” (By the way Marx pretty much plagiarized his economics from a German Economist by the name of von Robertus.)

Old Texican| 5.1.09 @ 10:25AM

To Tom Paine et. al. (sic)
Way too many words in your posts. Proves to me you are wrong, (about just about everything), and know you are wrong, so you go on for pages trying to defend indefensible stuff.

(Oh, and you are allowed to break paragraphs more often than you go to pee.)

I personally scoff at All of your words. I will ignore you henceforth. You will have to shoot me to quiet me. Liberty or War!

Old Texican| 5.1.09 @ 10:31AM

Northern Rebel
You embarrass me Sir! (Grin) YOU PUBLISHED THE EXACT RIGHT WORD!
Thank you. Simple and perfect! "EVIL"

Oldefarte| 5.1.09 @ 1:35PM

Tom Paine is a typically liberal moron, and his injection of some irrelevant fool's [Becker--1941] selfish opinion concerning democracy ["...A democratic government has always meant one in which the citizens, or a sufficient number of them to represent more or less effectively the common will, freely act from time to time, and according to established forms, to appoint or recall the magistrates and to enact or revoke the laws by which the community is governed. This I take to be the meaning which history has impressed upon the term democracy as a form of government...."] is sadly out of date, incorrect, and useless. If political leaders control the masses' thoughts by their authortarian domination of words read and heard[via the media], and those same masses thereafter vote for the preferred candidates that are mildly suggested by same media, is that then representative of a democracy? Do the populations of Cuba, China, Russia,etc have the required unbiased knowledge gained from their media sources in order to rationally chose between candidates, and they therefore democratic societies? Are the media avenues in these countries truly free to think and report the truth of their convictions, and are they free from governmental control and persuasion? In the United States, are the NYT, the Boston Globe, NBC, CBS, and all other media outlets providing their customers with the pure truth and only facts, or are their words slanted, directed, biased, and partial toward only one viewpoint? Is this American democracy, since obviously a majority of voters, informed by such sources, elected Obama and other Democrats? Isn't it only natural for most of these voters to want the quid-pro-quo [governmental welfare benefits received for the required political support/votes given in return] that liberal politicians such as Obama represent and provide, when it usually results in a transfer of wealth from those who HAVE to those that DON'T HAVE? This, most imbicilic Tom Paine, is NOT DEMOCRACY----this in fact is a disguised form of SLAVERY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

jerryofva| 5.1.09 @ 1:58PM

Oldefarte:

And let us not forget that we do not live in Democracy but a constitutional Republic.

ds80| 5.1.09 @ 3:00PM

John Galt: you almost had it correct. The looters creed is:

"I swear - by your life and your love for it -- that you will live for the sake of others because I will require you to do."

old Texican| 5.1.09 @ 3:04PM

Oldefart
Thank you.

Brian| 5.1.09 @ 11:48PM

I would think the left would consider that a comparison to fascism from a conservative would be intended as a compliment.

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Lawrence R.| 5.3.09 @ 10:16AM

"A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take away everything you have." ~Thomas Jefferson

F. Engels spun a one-hundred-and-eighty-degree twist of logic into his definition of the Socialist revolution: "Humanity's leap from the realm of necessity to the realm of freedom." ~ 'Anti-Dühring,' from E. Burns, *Handbook of Marxism* (N.Y., 1935), p. 299.

Compare Condorcet's earlier dream of the Enlightenment: "What a picture of the human race, freed from its chains, removed from the empire of chance as from that of the enemies of its progress, and advancing with a firm and sure step on the pathway of truth ... and of happiness. ()

It is on such intellectual theories of social transformation that the emerging policies of the Obamanation are rooted. Such a hopeless masquerade!

Eyas| 5.4.09 @ 1:13PM

I don't like using the term fascism - especially when connected to Mussolini/Italian Fascism. The reason is that although "fascist" has come to mean simply authoritarian, totalitarian, autocratic, dictatorial, etc; original Fascism had strong, and inseperable, components of nationalism and racism. One could easily argue (and I would) that the "anti-racism" of the Left in America is, in fact, racist - or, that Obama's racism is simply anti-white (a la Rev. Wright); BUT, as far as "Liberal Fascism" goes .... Nationalism ain't in it.

In fact, Anti-Nationalism (i.e., Anti-Americanism) is the rule for the "American" Left, generally -- and especially for the Obama Administration.

As far as the Obama Administration is concerned, distinguishing between authoritarian and totalitarian is a distinction without a difference. It is true that our government is not totalitarian ... YET; but, do not doubt that total control is the goal. Moreover, totalitarianism is not as absolute as it sounds. No totalitarianism can be "totally" complete. Thus, there is either a "greater" or "lesser" degree of achievement of total control. Our government is already far too close to the "greater" side, and far too far from the "lesser"/"least" side advocated by America's Founders. All of American history is the story of the movement from less government control to more government control; hence, from "least" totalitarian to "more" totalitarian. Obama clearly wants to finish the job.

kmichaels| 5.4.09 @ 4:33PM

Why does Tom Paine whine so much, while saying Reps should stop whining? Tom Paine is your typical leftist whiner. If he wins he whines, if he loses he whines. And what is Paine so sure that life revolves around what party is in power. If Dems win, socialism still sucks and if Reps win, socialism still sucks. Apparently Paine wants to control your very thought process and does not allow whining (defined by him as saying anti-Liberal things) but is in favor of whining as long as he is the current whiner. The fact that Paine is about the only person on this board that does not understand how stupid Paine comes across is just par with the course.

Anna Mac| 5.4.09 @ 5:29PM

I, for one, would like a fleet of Cadillacs.

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