Last June in Eugene, Oregon, 64-year-old Barbara Wagner received
a letter from the state-run Oregon Health Plan. Wagner, who was
suffering from a recurrence of lung cancer at the time, was
informed that her health policy would not cover the high cost
(about $4,000 a month) of her life-extending cancer drug.
"Treatment of advanced cancer that is meant to prolong life, or
change the course of this disease, is not a covered benefit of
the Oregon Health Plan," stated the letter Wagner received.
But the letter informed Wagner that the plan would cover the cost
-- only $50 -- of a much different treatment: doctor-assisted
suicide.
"I think it's messed up," Wagner, who died in October, told
reporters. "To say to someone, we'll pay for you to die, but not
pay for you to live, it's cruel," she said. "I get angry. Who do
they think they are?"
Such is life in Oregon, which, until recently, was the only state
where physician-assisted suicide was legal.
Euthanasia occasionally resurfaces as a front-page news story. A
decade ago, Jack Kevorkian made headlines when he was sent to
prison for second-degree murder after assisting in a patient's
suicide (though only after having assisted over 130 other
patients to end their lives).
Four years ago this week, Terri Schiavo's death by starvation and
dehydration caused such a stir that it provoked our current
president to commit what he would later call his "biggest
mistake" in the U.S. Senate by voting for legislation
allowing Schiavo's family to take its case from state courts to
federal courts in an effort to stop her murder.
For the most part, though, euthanasia has remained a second-tier
political issue, even in pro-life circles, where it has generally
been subordinate to abortion, sex education, and stem cells.
But that's about to change. Last November, voters made Washington
the second state to legalize physician-assisted suicide. In
December, a Montana judge ruled euthanasia legal in that state.
Meanwhile in Oregon, whose voters legalized euthanasia in 1994, a
record 60 physician-assisted suicides were
reported in 2008. This year, assisted suicide legalization
bills have been introduced in Hawaii and New Hampshire.
Add to these developments the perfect storm of record budget
shortfalls, a looming entitlements crisis fueled by scores of
millions of baby boomers on the cusp of retirement and end of
life, and a president and Congress that embrace a utilitarian
view of human life, and it's easy to see why euthanasia is
reemerging as a top issue. This time it might be here for good.
Advocates of assisted suicide like to talk about compassion and
choice. But utilitarian principles are driving the new push for
euthanasia.
Environmentalists continue to speak about the threat of
overpopulation. Last week,
Jonathon Porritt, a top "green" advisor to British Prime
Minister Gordon Brown, called for cutting in half, from about 60
million people to about 30 million people, Great Britain's
population, which, Porritt said, "is putting the world under
terrible pressure. Each person in Britain has far more impact on
the environment than those in developing countries so cutting our
population is one way to reduce that impact."
A handy way to cut down on the living is to kill off the
ballooning population of elderly, who strain government-run
health care schemes. Though physician-assisted suicide is
officially outlawed in Britain, a recent report found that
approximately 2,500 patients a year are given drugs that
accelerate their death in what some are
calling "euthanasia by the back door."
Last week, the British government announced that Parliament
will consider a provision to allow suicide tourism, making it
legal for Britons to travel to other countries to commit suicide.
In the United States, where 30 percent of Medicare spending pays
for care in the final year of patients' lives, the euthanasia
movement has an opportunity. The American public is ambivalent
about the morality of doctor-assisted suicide. According to
Gallup
polling, between 2004 and 2007, the share of Americans who
considered assisted suicide morally acceptable actually decreased
from 53 to 49 percent, while the share that felt it was morally
wrong increased from 41 to 44 percent.
I’m a bit confused. It’s apparently ethically appropriate to kill
unborn babies, to harvest them for stem cell research, to clone
them for medical experimentation, to split their skulls open,
suck out their brains and crush their heads in “partial birth
terminations”. It’s also quite acceptable to decide by fiat
committee decision to assist in the death of old folks who are
too expensive to keep alive. I’m not sure whether we are allowed
to do something useful with the remains (turn them into biscuits
or compost, something like that).
However, any mention of positive eugenics as practiced not only
by Hitler but in many countries in Europe until the sixties is
grossly immoral and greeted with angry howls by the moralists of
the day.
My question is: who decides what comprises the moral high ground?
We hear constantly about a “moral compass”. Morally speaking,
where is north?
Henry
Stephen Brink| 4.1.09 @ 7:20AM
*Sniff* *Sniff* I smell a big, fascist rat. So, let's genetically
test our babies and if they are going to be conservative, we can
abort them willy-nilly, and then if you happen to survive that,
if you get too sick, we can kill you willy-nilly.
And I wonder who will make those choices? Probably the
government, if they have their way.
It reads like a bad Star Trek episode. Where is Captain Kirk to
launch the proton torpedos at Demo-fasci-nazi HQ?
Melvin| 4.1.09 @ 7:38AM
President Obama now has the power to fire CEO's he will soon be
given the authority to decide who lives, and who must die all in
the name of the common collective good.
Most Americans will go willingly just like the Jews did at the
death camps. Don't think that the same thing can't happen here?
Neither did the Jews.
My language is strong, Americans need to wake the hell up, there
is already government bureaucrats in this Country who espouse th
philosophy that the earth has reached its capacity for human
habitation and the herd needs to be thinned to acceptable levels
and what better way to reduce the population than restricting
life saving medical procedures and medicines.
stu.b.con| 4.1.09 @ 8:02AM
A shudder just ran over me...
God help us fight off these liberal FASCISTS!
Stephen Brink| 4.1.09 @ 8:18AM
Soylent Green is made from people!
Or will it be "Baby Jerky"?
It's a thin line that we are letting the country cross.
Curly Smith| 4.1.09 @ 8:31AM
On the upside, if you kill your annoying neighbor then the worst
that you could be charged with is "practicing medicine without a
license". And if you have a photo of that neighbor watering on
the wrong day then your actions would be fully justified as
necessary to "saving the planet".
But Officer, he was driving an SUV, I had to shoot him.
Your Honor, he ate a hamburger in front of me! What else could I
do?
I saw her smoking! Smoking!! Right there!!! In public!!!!
She was obese, or maybe pregnant! In this day and age, with
starving people in Africa, can you imagine the insensitivity?
Gill O'Teen| 4.1.09 @ 11:33AM
I raised a warning flag last October about the cliff this country
is about to plunge over. On another occasion I noted that I am a
perfect candidate for government mandated suicide. Since I am
condemned anyway, I intend to go down fighting. Tea Parties are
all well and good, but we have to ratchet it up a bit more.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 12:44PM
A decade ago when many conservative thinkers predicted this type
of thinking among liberals, they were ridiculed. Apparently,
there is no pro-death measure too extreme for it not to become a
liberal shibboleth.
Tony in Central PA| 4.1.09 @ 1:00PM
Nobody should be surprised by this, and I know assisted suicide
will probably be part of the centerpiece of the Administration /
Democratic plan to contain health care spending.
The unveiling of this Administration's regard for human life
reminds me of an old " Twilight Zone " episode many of you will
no doubt be too young to know - - " To Serve Man ". For those
unfamiliar, I'll just say this Administration and its believers
have a " cookbook " plan for determining the value of human life
based on how useful it is to them.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 1:05PM
To Serve Man - "It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook!" Truly a
classic and I remember it every time someone talks about how they
want to serve people.
Speedbump| 4.1.09 @ 1:26PM
I wonder if Jonathon Porritt would volunteer to go first? I'd be
more than happy to launch him into eternity for the 'good of the
planet'...
Stan redmond| 4.1.09 @ 1:45PM
Obama keeps saying we all have to sacrifice for the greater good.
What greater good is there than government and what better way to
sacrifice for the government than killing yourself?
History has shown leftist socialist marxists must commit genocide
to get and maintain power. Whether by "compasionate" methods such
as euthenasia and abortion or by the bayonet the end result is
the same. Is it coincidence that leftist environmentalists are
suddenly crying that there are just too many people for the poor
earth? These people are sick bloodthirsty narcissists. It is
frightening.
Darin| 4.1.09 @ 1:57PM
Sounds like carousel from "Logan's Run."
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:12PM
I see you have taken down my previous post calling you out on
your lies. Very cowardly of you, just like the cowards that you
are.
Oh well, here's another. Let's see if you have the guts to leave
this one up.
"Despite surgery and months of radiation, the aggressive cancer
spread to Casey's lungs. But doctors said her cancer was slow
growing, and that there was hope in a popular cancer drug called
Tarceva.
But when Casey went to fill her Tarceva prescription at the
pharmacy, her insurer, Coventry Health Care of Kansas, denied her
coverage for the drug, saying it considered Tarceva experimental
in her case, even though Tarceva is FDA approved for other lung
and pancreatic cancers. "
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
I find this completely disgusting, and reprehensible. It doesn't
matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you
knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life,
because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral
obligation. Why do we pass good samaritan laws, making it
illegal, if you walk, or drive by, a person in need of aid, then
turn around and advocate for the death of the unborn, and
elderly?
Talk about a contradiction. I'm surprised the lefts heads don't
pop off from all their psuedo philosophical ideologies.
They decry the number of those who died in Iraq...civilian, and
military, as if their lives meant so much, but in turn, advocate
for the deaths of helpless babies, and elderly people.
There is a price to be paid for this....and I hope they are
prepared to pay it.
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:23PM
Stan redmond| 4.1.09 @ 1:45PM
Obama keeps saying we all have to sacrifice for the greater good.
What greater good is there than government and what better way to
sacrifice for the government than killing yourself?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And how many liberals, are willing to sacrifice themselves? Obama
smokes. Is he willing to sacrifice his life, should he get lung
cancer for....the greater good? I seriously doubt it.
What the rest of us will have to do without, will be applied in
abundance to the knuckle heads, who believe this is the right
thing to do.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:27PM
"I find this completely disgusting, and reprehensible. It doesn't
matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you
knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life,
because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral
obligation."
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
Go figure.
Marianne| 4.1.09 @ 2:44PM
George Soros established a project : 'Project on Death in
America', in which he recommended rationing medicine to anyone
with a chronic condition. He offered only pallitive (read
Hospice) care. Of course this would apply to most Senior Citizens
. Getting rid of them would make it possible to give illegals
Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. After reading it I don't
think people would be allowed to buy medicine if they could
afford it. Say goodbye to Grandma.
I believe that he disabled the project for now.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:54PM
Marianne| 4.1.09 @ 2:44PM
"After reading it I don't think people would be allowed to buy
medicine if they could afford it"
Congratulations, Marianne.
That is dumbest post of the week.
Who's going to step forward and top it? C'mon. I know someone
can.
Louis Jenkins| 4.1.09 @ 3:20PM
In some respects medicine has played God by prolonging our lives.
Now its time for Govco to do the same, only it wants to shorten
it. Let's do away with pre-natal health care. Women dropped
babies in the field for years in pre-modern times. Men lost their
limbs in war and work, so let's just carve out a wooden
replacement for the missing part. Both legs gone? Just issue a
wide skate board to the unfortunate bugger. And stop petting
people with psychological problems, put them away in a pit where
they belong and feed them with a sling shot! Have a headache? Too
bad, there's no ibuprofen available. But if you're an illegal or
perhaps an incarcerated misguided youthful maggot from the wrong
side of the tracks, why you're just a patriot and deserve
anything this country has to offer. Govco has become the
individual's life blood, and now it is becoming the individual's
executioner. A nation with a longer life span than any other is a
crimminal nation. We should be so ashamed.
JHarpIsATroll| 4.1.09 @ 3:31PM
JHarp = Scumbag
Angel| 4.1.09 @ 3:50PM
The Culture of Death is not just about abortion: It's about
convenience. ANYONE who is vulnerable is at risk. This country
has allowed the killing of 51 million pre-born babies, why should
any of us be treated differently? President infanticide is just
the guy to ramp it up.
jcross| 4.1.09 @ 3:53PM
Louis - thank you for your clarity on this issue.
jharp - I understand what Marianne was saying, and if you looked
around you could find examples of patients who are being denied
care because they want to use their own private initiative
outside the government system.
The fascists in charge are going to manage the masses as a
resource for their own wicked ends - they will ration regardless
of ability to pay.
Here's one example I came up with in the brief amount of time
that I have.
"If the patient paid for Avastin, she’d have to pay for all of
her treatment—far more than she could afford."
http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/0019
Sorry I don't time to hang around and browbeat people.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 4:02PM
Let's see if I get this straight. The Dems want to abort more
babies here and around the world. They want to deny Mom medical
care if she gets too expensively sick. They want to force kids
into inferior schools by ending vouchers. They want EVERYONE to
pay more taxes, hidden or direct. And they're raising the
cigarette tax, which is predominantly a tax on the poor. And
Republicans lack compassion? I'm so confuuuused!
Heather| 4.1.09 @ 4:10PM
I know exactly what the liberals are--and I don't like it.
Winston Jen| 4.1.09 @ 4:17PM
More misinformation (not that I'm surprised).
It's already legal for British citizens to travel to Switzerland
for assisted suicide. What is being proposed is for friends and
relatives who accompany the poor soul to not be prosecuted for
helping them travel.
Sparky| 4.1.09 @ 4:19PM
Slippery slope to hell. We are well on our way.
Joe| 4.1.09 @ 5:21PM
The Nazis made slick movies designed to convince people of their
"duty" to die when they became a "burden" to society. Perhaps the
American left can save money by recycling those movies and
playing them to us today. I have little doubt the MSM would
gladly go along...
Tony in Central PA| 4.1.09 @ 5:39PM
I expect health care coverage, national or otherwise, will
experience a similar effort to cover only abortion for unborn
kids with any signs of defects that might make them less useful.
Patrick| 4.1.09 @ 5:53PM
Can we start will all the leftist-hippy baby-boomers?
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
jharp| Said:
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
Talk about the dumbest post,well you win. There is no comparison
between eliminating the young and old and the death penalty for
murders and such. If you cant see that then you are a complete
ass and should be the first to volunteer for elimination. I can
only think you just like to throw stuff out to piss of people, if
on the other hand you do believe what your saying then you are a
hopeless sheep following your equally stupid master off of a
cliff.
Go figure.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 7:05PM
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
"It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder.
If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their
life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral
obligation."
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
jharp| Said:
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
"Talk about the dumbest post,well you win. There is no comparison
between eliminating the young and old and the death penalty for
murders and such."
Hmmm. Maybe I need to sharpen my reading skills.
I took Jeanie's words "It doesn't matter what context you put it
in. Murder is murder."
To mean "It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is
murder."
Please help.
NonRepublicanRight| 4.1.09 @ 8:02PM
Out of curiosity, what crimes has an infant, that hasn't even
been born yet, committed? And what court were they tried in? Or
an elderly person whose medical care is too expensive? What
crimes have they been convicted of?
Comparing abortion and euthanasia, both of which happen to people
who have committed no crime and not been convicted by the courts,
to capital punishment, which happens to people who HAVE had both
happen before they get the "juice" (drugs or electrons) is, at
best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to distract
from the real issue.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 8:10PM
I'm pro-life, and therefore against the Dem agenda of death on
abortion, euthanasia, and denying proper medical care for the
elderly as rationed care will do. However, I am also against
capital punishment, not because the perpetrators of these crimes
aren't deserving of death (though life imprisonment is worse for
most people), but that I don't trust the government to make life
and death decisions about people. Look how bad the government is
at making other decisions. Why would I trust them with people's
lives, even a felons?
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 8:33PM
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
"It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder.
If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their
life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral
obligation."
NonRepublicanRight| 4.1.09 @ 8:02PM
"Comparing abortion and euthanasia, both of which happen to
people who have committed no crime and not been convicted by the
courts, to capital punishment, which happens to people who HAVE
had both happen before they get the "juice" (drugs or electrons)
is, at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to
distract from the real issue."
Take it up with Jeanie. She was the one who posted "it doesn't
matter in what context you put it. Murder is murder"
I simply pointed out there is a difference.
John| 4.1.09 @ 8:49PM
The earlier reference to "Logan's Run" is not out of place, here.
The book, is more involved, and much darker than the movie. The
age of allowed life in the book is 18, not 30.
When life becomes a utility, it can be measured for worth,
against any number of factors in some priority list. In the case
of "Logan's Run" the computer programs that ultimately dictated
the bureaucratic outcome that limited life. A calculation was
made of what was allowable based upon the parameters of a life of
total dependence and self-indugent pleasure. As I said, in the
book, a scant 18 years.
Face it. Life is a fatal enterprise. We are created to end. That
end in the best of circumstances is after a relatively short life
fraught with peril.
The Utilitarians belive in some fanciful death with digity trope.
That is nonsense of course, there is no dignity in death, or in
the manner of one's death. It is merely death. The dignity in it
all is in how you have lived your life.
The "Culture of Death" that permiates our society, strips away
that dignity. It weighs and balances, measures cost, utility,
use, worth, etc. It then judges who should live, and when one
should die.
In ages past, life was precious and therefore that decision was
left to God, the fates... or whatever. Certainly people committed
suicide. That choice was left wholly up to them, and their own
tortured hands. No other individual or organization was burdened
with that dark fatal decision.
Once the choice to live out one's life in dignity, or abandon it
in agony is moved to someone else to make, legal and emotional
rationales will be written to provide cover for the act.
The first age and condition set to mark the end of the utility
will quickly be followed by another, and another... If a 75
year-old is not worth treating this year, in a decade, it will be
a 70 year- old... or perhaps a 65 year-old.
As we murder our infants and our aged we will have no one to care
for, and no one to teach us. Preoccupied with our images in the
mirror, we will cede our life parameters to creations less
burdened by the weight of life and death decisions... Computer
programs, algorythms, legal codes, and regulations will
substitute for judgement.
When the palm crystal turns red, we will line up for the hope of
resurection at the Festival of the Carousel, and the Sandmen will
chase down and murder those who awake from their stupor and run.
BTW, not to spoil the book, but Sanctuary was a colony on Mars. I
told you the book was dark.
Sunday we Celebrate the beginning of Holy Week. For the religious
re-read the Passion with an eye for current events. For the
non-religious, it is worth a look from the perspective of what
man is capable of.
r/John
Angel| 4.1.09 @ 9:52PM
All I know is that GOD is my only sanctuary--it sure isn't here
on earth. May God have mercy on all of us.
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 12:49AM
You're WAY late. It’s been openly obvious for years now. I stated
plainly to some neighbors in November 2005, while repairing
hurricane damage, that the so-called Baby Boomers (which I
include as those born circa 1939-59) will be the first generation
of Americans in which the majority will die by suicide. It's
already common in the so-called "hospices," and "hospice" wards
of hospitals, where, like Mrs. Shiavo, people are killed by
depriving them of water and pumping them full of pain killers
(only by request, of course): I.E. by Dying of THIRST (A.K.A.
"dehydration), NOT “starvation.” Dying of
thirst is a sure way to kill someone. One needs no doctor to know
that a person will be dead in 1-2 weeks (“6-14 days”) if he is
deprived of water. Dying of thirst is a painful way for someone
to die (which provides motivation for pain killers, like
morphine, by the person being killed, AND, more in line with this
essay, one more item providing motivation for “doctor-assisted
suicide” by family members and other watching). These facilities,
and the practice, mushroomed, at least 1989 onward,
coinciding with the American medical system reform into the
no-dignity, pragmatic, veterinary-like-medical care that is now
the norm. Inculcation of "Fuzzy Logic" has been critical for the
Americans born 1959 and earlier ("I'm not committing suicide, I'm
just ending my life."). The later generations of Americans will
be the majority of the ones who will do it willingly.
Eugenics has been implemented in the U.S.A., and most of the
“Free World,” in all but name (via perfidious means, employing
euphemisms, redefinitions, and misdirection by government,
religious, NGO, charty, and sundry other movements’, leaders and
propagandists). Most importantly, via the reform of the American
legal code (eliminating laws and the precedents associated with
them, and establishing new definitions and new
precedents (ala the techniques of Georgian Britain’s “Rule By
Law”).
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 12:57AM
Aindyin: “Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment. . .
There is no comparison between eliminating the young and old and
the death penalty for murders and such.”
---->To be as nasty as “Aindyin:” Hmmm. .. . Another “Useful
Idiot.”
You’re wrong, and not only due to the sloppy addition of “and
such.”
Capital Punishment in the United States of America is frequently
nothing but cold-blooded murder.
American capital punishment laws have been reformed and are
mostly unjust, by pre-reformed American (and pre-reformed
religions) standards, even if periodic justice is served in some
particular instances. American capital punishment laws were
radically reformed during the brief period that it was eliminated
(eliminate a statute and the precedents go with it). The
conditions of justice, proportionality, and mental fitness have
been mostly removed, and the primary basis of the new, reformed,
capital punishment is “deterance,.” only. American “justrice” now
bears more resemblence to 18th-century Georgian Britain
(Britain’s social reform via
“Rule By Law”).
Where euthenasia is concerned, then no one is attempting to
eliminate “the young,” but
only SOME of the “young.” One should also include the mentally
and physically infirm, along with the “old.”
In those instances in which mentally ill or mentally retarded
human beings have been executed (such as Arkansas in 1992 when
Bill Clinton demonstrated his support of ("capital punishment"),
then it is EXACTLY equivalent to “eliminating the young”
(abortion or infantacide due to defect) and “old” (no longer
useful). One used to have to be mentally fit in the pre-reformed
America to be found guilty of a capital offense. The reform of
capital punishment came just in time: Just prior to the dumping
of mentally ill Americans out of the mental institutions being
shut down without replacement and onto the streets in the mid
1970s and throughout the 1980s. Life expectency for Americans who
are mentally ill has now plunged to 53 years old (Castro
obviously knew what he was about when he dumped the Cuban
mentally ill into the U.S.A. in 1980).
Superhuman Patriot| 4.2.09 @ 12:57AM
This is why we need to embrace socialized medicine as glorious
patriots! To keep these death licking liberals at bay! Lets do
this!
We can't have it both ways.
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 1:10AM
Jeanie. "It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is
murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong
their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your
moral obligation."
“Moral obligation?”
“knowingly have a way?”
“Because they want more time?”
None of this statement makes sense.
Is this only poorly phrased, or, if not: Then what ethical system
is this?
“prolong their life”
This is TERRIBLE phrasing.
So now people Have Been Taught to think of saving a life as
"prolonging a life?"
Drug-company commercials, often rubbish, have made this miserable
phrase, all too common place, over the past 10-15 years.
Motown Mike| 4.2.09 @ 8:21AM
I've seen this coming for a long time. The baby boomers, among
the first to realize the "benefits" of abortion, will also learn
about the biblical law of sowing and reaping. Demean the
humananity and viabililty of the very young and the old are next.
Heather| 4.2.09 @ 11:47AM
'Reap the whirlwind' is how the Bible succinctly puts it. Short
and to the point.
Daniel| 4.3.09 @ 11:18AM
What exactly is so terrible about someone wanting to end the
suffering caused by terrible, life destroying disease ?
Mike| 12.4.09 @ 3:53PM
To be honest, I dont think that people should suffer. No way.
Mike the red ring of
death fix dude.
MT| 4.3.09 @ 12:03PM
Daniel. look at the Netherlands--even healthy elderly folks are
afraid of going to the hospital now because they fear that a
'compassionate' care giver is going to facilitate their death.
The potential for abuse of euthanasia is a given. Think, man!
John| 4.3.09 @ 10:11PM
One can see how this plays out. Mandatory prescriptions /
treatment that can have only one certaint outcome. You can
betcha, that govt bureaucrats, however, will painstakenly come up
with a "treatment" name to "market" this abomination.
Palin Will Never Fuck You| 4.7.09 @ 1:14AM
Did you just say betcha? Loser much? You know you'll fail, why
try?
SARAH PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!| 4.7.09 @ 3:02AM
You could never be with a gorgeous girl like Palin, loser
liberal. Not in a million years. The best thing about Sarah is
her good and generous heart. The left fears her for her goodness.
Screw yourselves, liberals.
Winston Jen| 4.8.09 @ 9:43AM
Pro-lifers will never complain about the self-starvation that
occurs now. According to their twisted sense of compassion, a
violent, slow and/or painful death/suicide is perfectly
acceptable.
JS| 4.21.09 @ 11:54AM
The USS Enterprise carries *photon* torpedoes, not proton (At
least until NCC-1701E, when she was equipped with quantum
torpedoes). Proton torpedoes are carried by X and Y wing fighters
from the Rebel Alliance.
If you're going to mix your sci-fi metaphors, at least get them
right.
Thank you so much for this piece, Daniel.. And a Keyboard tip to
Stop Socialism's ping for reviving it via Google alerts a few
short moments ago..
It breaks my Heart to read your words through as I had just a
couple of days ago tweeted Randy Stroup and Barbara Wagner as
representative of "Harry and Louise" whose very Lives were at the
mercy of openly proposed health care rationing..
In reading this now, my deepest thoughts are with Randy and
Barbara and their friends and families along with everyone else
among our most vulnerable populations whose Life has suddenly
become horrendously devalued based on each, its perceived
utilitarian use as openly, ultimately implied by our newest
administration's verbalized healthcare agenda..
In Loving Peace and Unity from Talking Rock..
Cindy Sue
Anon| 8.30.09 @ 7:35PM
You're all pretty sick, arrogant bastards, thinking you know
better than I do what's best for me. Why not fuck off and leave
my life to me. If I'm not hurting anyone else, why do you care?
I'm not the one buying a gun to shoot up a school like you guys.
Kevin Andrews| 4.1.09 @ 6:46AM
Palliative care: Now 12% as humane as Auschwitz!
Henry| 4.1.09 @ 7:16AM
I’m a bit confused. It’s apparently ethically appropriate to kill unborn babies, to harvest them for stem cell research, to clone them for medical experimentation, to split their skulls open, suck out their brains and crush their heads in “partial birth terminations”. It’s also quite acceptable to decide by fiat committee decision to assist in the death of old folks who are too expensive to keep alive. I’m not sure whether we are allowed to do something useful with the remains (turn them into biscuits or compost, something like that).
However, any mention of positive eugenics as practiced not only by Hitler but in many countries in Europe until the sixties is grossly immoral and greeted with angry howls by the moralists of the day.
My question is: who decides what comprises the moral high ground? We hear constantly about a “moral compass”. Morally speaking, where is north?
Henry
Stephen Brink| 4.1.09 @ 7:20AM
*Sniff* *Sniff* I smell a big, fascist rat. So, let's genetically test our babies and if they are going to be conservative, we can abort them willy-nilly, and then if you happen to survive that, if you get too sick, we can kill you willy-nilly.
And I wonder who will make those choices? Probably the government, if they have their way.
It reads like a bad Star Trek episode. Where is Captain Kirk to launch the proton torpedos at Demo-fasci-nazi HQ?
Melvin| 4.1.09 @ 7:38AM
President Obama now has the power to fire CEO's he will soon be given the authority to decide who lives, and who must die all in the name of the common collective good.
Most Americans will go willingly just like the Jews did at the death camps. Don't think that the same thing can't happen here? Neither did the Jews.
My language is strong, Americans need to wake the hell up, there is already government bureaucrats in this Country who espouse th philosophy that the earth has reached its capacity for human habitation and the herd needs to be thinned to acceptable levels and what better way to reduce the population than restricting life saving medical procedures and medicines.
stu.b.con| 4.1.09 @ 8:02AM
A shudder just ran over me...
God help us fight off these liberal FASCISTS!
Stephen Brink| 4.1.09 @ 8:18AM
Soylent Green is made from people!
Or will it be "Baby Jerky"?
It's a thin line that we are letting the country cross.
Curly Smith| 4.1.09 @ 8:31AM
On the upside, if you kill your annoying neighbor then the worst that you could be charged with is "practicing medicine without a license". And if you have a photo of that neighbor watering on the wrong day then your actions would be fully justified as necessary to "saving the planet".
But Officer, he was driving an SUV, I had to shoot him.
Your Honor, he ate a hamburger in front of me! What else could I do?
I saw her smoking! Smoking!! Right there!!! In public!!!!
She was obese, or maybe pregnant! In this day and age, with starving people in Africa, can you imagine the insensitivity?
Gill O'Teen| 4.1.09 @ 11:33AM
I raised a warning flag last October about the cliff this country is about to plunge over. On another occasion I noted that I am a perfect candidate for government mandated suicide. Since I am condemned anyway, I intend to go down fighting. Tea Parties are all well and good, but we have to ratchet it up a bit more.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 12:44PM
A decade ago when many conservative thinkers predicted this type of thinking among liberals, they were ridiculed. Apparently, there is no pro-death measure too extreme for it not to become a liberal shibboleth.
Tony in Central PA| 4.1.09 @ 1:00PM
Nobody should be surprised by this, and I know assisted suicide will probably be part of the centerpiece of the Administration / Democratic plan to contain health care spending.
The unveiling of this Administration's regard for human life reminds me of an old " Twilight Zone " episode many of you will no doubt be too young to know - - " To Serve Man ". For those unfamiliar, I'll just say this Administration and its believers have a " cookbook " plan for determining the value of human life based on how useful it is to them.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 1:05PM
To Serve Man - "It's a cookbook! It's a cookbook!" Truly a classic and I remember it every time someone talks about how they want to serve people.
Speedbump| 4.1.09 @ 1:26PM
I wonder if Jonathon Porritt would volunteer to go first? I'd be more than happy to launch him into eternity for the 'good of the planet'...
Stan redmond| 4.1.09 @ 1:45PM
Obama keeps saying we all have to sacrifice for the greater good. What greater good is there than government and what better way to sacrifice for the government than killing yourself?
History has shown leftist socialist marxists must commit genocide to get and maintain power. Whether by "compasionate" methods such as euthenasia and abortion or by the bayonet the end result is the same. Is it coincidence that leftist environmentalists are suddenly crying that there are just too many people for the poor earth? These people are sick bloodthirsty narcissists. It is frightening.
Darin| 4.1.09 @ 1:57PM
Sounds like carousel from "Logan's Run."
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:12PM
I see you have taken down my previous post calling you out on your lies. Very cowardly of you, just like the cowards that you are.
Oh well, here's another. Let's see if you have the guts to leave this one up.
"Despite surgery and months of radiation, the aggressive cancer spread to Casey's lungs. But doctors said her cancer was slow growing, and that there was hope in a popular cancer drug called Tarceva.
But when Casey went to fill her Tarceva prescription at the pharmacy, her insurer, Coventry Health Care of Kansas, denied her coverage for the drug, saying it considered Tarceva experimental in her case, even though Tarceva is FDA approved for other lung and pancreatic cancers. "
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
I find this completely disgusting, and reprehensible. It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral obligation. Why do we pass good samaritan laws, making it illegal, if you walk, or drive by, a person in need of aid, then turn around and advocate for the death of the unborn, and elderly?
Talk about a contradiction. I'm surprised the lefts heads don't pop off from all their psuedo philosophical ideologies.
They decry the number of those who died in Iraq...civilian, and military, as if their lives meant so much, but in turn, advocate for the deaths of helpless babies, and elderly people.
There is a price to be paid for this....and I hope they are prepared to pay it.
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:23PM
Stan redmond| 4.1.09 @ 1:45PM
Obama keeps saying we all have to sacrifice for the greater good. What greater good is there than government and what better way to sacrifice for the government than killing yourself?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
And how many liberals, are willing to sacrifice themselves? Obama smokes. Is he willing to sacrifice his life, should he get lung cancer for....the greater good? I seriously doubt it.
What the rest of us will have to do without, will be applied in abundance to the knuckle heads, who believe this is the right thing to do.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:27PM
"I find this completely disgusting, and reprehensible. It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral obligation."
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
Go figure.
Marianne| 4.1.09 @ 2:44PM
George Soros established a project : 'Project on Death in America', in which he recommended rationing medicine to anyone with a chronic condition. He offered only pallitive (read Hospice) care. Of course this would apply to most Senior Citizens . Getting rid of them would make it possible to give illegals Social Security, Medicare and Medicade. After reading it I don't think people would be allowed to buy medicine if they could afford it. Say goodbye to Grandma.
I believe that he disabled the project for now.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 2:54PM
Marianne| 4.1.09 @ 2:44PM
"After reading it I don't think people would be allowed to buy medicine if they could afford it"
Congratulations, Marianne.
That is dumbest post of the week.
Who's going to step forward and top it? C'mon. I know someone can.
Louis Jenkins| 4.1.09 @ 3:20PM
In some respects medicine has played God by prolonging our lives. Now its time for Govco to do the same, only it wants to shorten it. Let's do away with pre-natal health care. Women dropped babies in the field for years in pre-modern times. Men lost their limbs in war and work, so let's just carve out a wooden replacement for the missing part. Both legs gone? Just issue a wide skate board to the unfortunate bugger. And stop petting people with psychological problems, put them away in a pit where they belong and feed them with a sling shot! Have a headache? Too bad, there's no ibuprofen available. But if you're an illegal or perhaps an incarcerated misguided youthful maggot from the wrong side of the tracks, why you're just a patriot and deserve anything this country has to offer. Govco has become the individual's life blood, and now it is becoming the individual's executioner. A nation with a longer life span than any other is a crimminal nation. We should be so ashamed.
JHarpIsATroll| 4.1.09 @ 3:31PM
JHarp = Scumbag
Angel| 4.1.09 @ 3:50PM
The Culture of Death is not just about abortion: It's about convenience. ANYONE who is vulnerable is at risk. This country has allowed the killing of 51 million pre-born babies, why should any of us be treated differently? President infanticide is just the guy to ramp it up.
jcross| 4.1.09 @ 3:53PM
Louis - thank you for your clarity on this issue.
jharp - I understand what Marianne was saying, and if you looked around you could find examples of patients who are being denied care because they want to use their own private initiative outside the government system.
The fascists in charge are going to manage the masses as a resource for their own wicked ends - they will ration regardless of ability to pay.
Here's one example I came up with in the brief amount of time that I have.
"If the patient paid for Avastin, she’d have to pay for all of her treatment—far more than she could afford."
http://www.aapsonline.org/newsoftheday/0019
Sorry I don't time to hang around and browbeat people.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 4:02PM
Let's see if I get this straight. The Dems want to abort more babies here and around the world. They want to deny Mom medical care if she gets too expensively sick. They want to force kids into inferior schools by ending vouchers. They want EVERYONE to pay more taxes, hidden or direct. And they're raising the cigarette tax, which is predominantly a tax on the poor. And Republicans lack compassion? I'm so confuuuused!
Heather| 4.1.09 @ 4:10PM
I know exactly what the liberals are--and I don't like it.
Winston Jen| 4.1.09 @ 4:17PM
More misinformation (not that I'm surprised).
It's already legal for British citizens to travel to Switzerland for assisted suicide. What is being proposed is for friends and relatives who accompany the poor soul to not be prosecuted for helping them travel.
Sparky| 4.1.09 @ 4:19PM
Slippery slope to hell. We are well on our way.
Joe| 4.1.09 @ 5:21PM
The Nazis made slick movies designed to convince people of their "duty" to die when they became a "burden" to society. Perhaps the American left can save money by recycling those movies and playing them to us today. I have little doubt the MSM would gladly go along...
Tony in Central PA| 4.1.09 @ 5:39PM
I expect health care coverage, national or otherwise, will experience a similar effort to cover only abortion for unborn kids with any signs of defects that might make them less useful.
Patrick| 4.1.09 @ 5:53PM
Can we start will all the leftist-hippy baby-boomers?
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
jharp| Said:
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
Talk about the dumbest post,well you win. There is no comparison between eliminating the young and old and the death penalty for murders and such. If you cant see that then you are a complete ass and should be the first to volunteer for elimination. I can only think you just like to throw stuff out to piss of people, if on the other hand you do believe what your saying then you are a hopeless sheep following your equally stupid master off of a cliff.
Go figure.
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 7:05PM
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
"It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral obligation."
Aindyin| 4.1.09 @ 6:31PM
jharp| Said:
Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment.
"Talk about the dumbest post,well you win. There is no comparison between eliminating the young and old and the death penalty for murders and such."
Hmmm. Maybe I need to sharpen my reading skills.
I took Jeanie's words "It doesn't matter what context you put it in. Murder is murder."
To mean "It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder."
Please help.
NonRepublicanRight| 4.1.09 @ 8:02PM
Out of curiosity, what crimes has an infant, that hasn't even been born yet, committed? And what court were they tried in? Or an elderly person whose medical care is too expensive? What crimes have they been convicted of?
Comparing abortion and euthanasia, both of which happen to people who have committed no crime and not been convicted by the courts, to capital punishment, which happens to people who HAVE had both happen before they get the "juice" (drugs or electrons) is, at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to distract from the real issue.
Big Leo| 4.1.09 @ 8:10PM
I'm pro-life, and therefore against the Dem agenda of death on abortion, euthanasia, and denying proper medical care for the elderly as rationed care will do. However, I am also against capital punishment, not because the perpetrators of these crimes aren't deserving of death (though life imprisonment is worse for most people), but that I don't trust the government to make life and death decisions about people. Look how bad the government is at making other decisions. Why would I trust them with people's lives, even a felons?
jharp| 4.1.09 @ 8:33PM
Jeanie| 4.1.09 @ 2:21PM
"It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral obligation."
NonRepublicanRight| 4.1.09 @ 8:02PM
"Comparing abortion and euthanasia, both of which happen to people who have committed no crime and not been convicted by the courts, to capital punishment, which happens to people who HAVE had both happen before they get the "juice" (drugs or electrons) is, at best, misguided, and at worst a deliberate attempt to distract from the real issue."
Take it up with Jeanie. She was the one who posted "it doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder is murder"
I simply pointed out there is a difference.
John| 4.1.09 @ 8:49PM
The earlier reference to "Logan's Run" is not out of place, here. The book, is more involved, and much darker than the movie. The age of allowed life in the book is 18, not 30.
When life becomes a utility, it can be measured for worth, against any number of factors in some priority list. In the case of "Logan's Run" the computer programs that ultimately dictated the bureaucratic outcome that limited life. A calculation was made of what was allowable based upon the parameters of a life of total dependence and self-indugent pleasure. As I said, in the book, a scant 18 years.
Face it. Life is a fatal enterprise. We are created to end. That end in the best of circumstances is after a relatively short life fraught with peril.
The Utilitarians belive in some fanciful death with digity trope. That is nonsense of course, there is no dignity in death, or in the manner of one's death. It is merely death. The dignity in it all is in how you have lived your life.
The "Culture of Death" that permiates our society, strips away that dignity. It weighs and balances, measures cost, utility, use, worth, etc. It then judges who should live, and when one should die.
In ages past, life was precious and therefore that decision was left to God, the fates... or whatever. Certainly people committed suicide. That choice was left wholly up to them, and their own tortured hands. No other individual or organization was burdened with that dark fatal decision.
Once the choice to live out one's life in dignity, or abandon it in agony is moved to someone else to make, legal and emotional rationales will be written to provide cover for the act.
The first age and condition set to mark the end of the utility will quickly be followed by another, and another... If a 75 year-old is not worth treating this year, in a decade, it will be a 70 year- old... or perhaps a 65 year-old.
As we murder our infants and our aged we will have no one to care for, and no one to teach us. Preoccupied with our images in the mirror, we will cede our life parameters to creations less burdened by the weight of life and death decisions... Computer programs, algorythms, legal codes, and regulations will substitute for judgement.
When the palm crystal turns red, we will line up for the hope of resurection at the Festival of the Carousel, and the Sandmen will chase down and murder those who awake from their stupor and run.
BTW, not to spoil the book, but Sanctuary was a colony on Mars. I told you the book was dark.
Sunday we Celebrate the beginning of Holy Week. For the religious re-read the Passion with an eye for current events. For the non-religious, it is worth a look from the perspective of what man is capable of.
r/John
Angel| 4.1.09 @ 9:52PM
All I know is that GOD is my only sanctuary--it sure isn't here on earth. May God have mercy on all of us.
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 12:49AM
You're WAY late. It’s been openly obvious for years now. I stated plainly to some neighbors in November 2005, while repairing hurricane damage, that the so-called Baby Boomers (which I include as those born circa 1939-59) will be the first generation of Americans in which the majority will die by suicide. It's already common in the so-called "hospices," and "hospice" wards of hospitals, where, like Mrs. Shiavo, people are killed by depriving them of water and pumping them full of pain killers (only by request, of course): I.E. by Dying of THIRST (A.K.A. "dehydration), NOT “starvation.” Dying of
thirst is a sure way to kill someone. One needs no doctor to know that a person will be dead in 1-2 weeks (“6-14 days”) if he is deprived of water. Dying of thirst is a painful way for someone to die (which provides motivation for pain killers, like morphine, by the person being killed, AND, more in line with this essay, one more item providing motivation for “doctor-assisted suicide” by family members and other watching). These facilities, and the practice, mushroomed, at least 1989 onward,
coinciding with the American medical system reform into the no-dignity, pragmatic, veterinary-like-medical care that is now the norm. Inculcation of "Fuzzy Logic" has been critical for the Americans born 1959 and earlier ("I'm not committing suicide, I'm just ending my life."). The later generations of Americans will be the majority of the ones who will do it willingly.
Eugenics has been implemented in the U.S.A., and most of the “Free World,” in all but name (via perfidious means, employing euphemisms, redefinitions, and misdirection by government, religious, NGO, charty, and sundry other movements’, leaders and propagandists). Most importantly, via the reform of the American legal code (eliminating laws and the precedents associated with them, and establishing new definitions and new
precedents (ala the techniques of Georgian Britain’s “Rule By Law”).
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 12:57AM
Aindyin: “Hmmm. A wingnut opposed to capital punishment. . . There is no comparison between eliminating the young and old and the death penalty for murders and such.”
---->To be as nasty as “Aindyin:” Hmmm. .. . Another “Useful Idiot.”
You’re wrong, and not only due to the sloppy addition of “and such.”
Capital Punishment in the United States of America is frequently nothing but cold-blooded murder.
American capital punishment laws have been reformed and are mostly unjust, by pre-reformed American (and pre-reformed religions) standards, even if periodic justice is served in some particular instances. American capital punishment laws were radically reformed during the brief period that it was eliminated (eliminate a statute and the precedents go with it). The conditions of justice, proportionality, and mental fitness have been mostly removed, and the primary basis of the new, reformed, capital punishment is “deterance,.” only. American “justrice” now bears more resemblence to 18th-century Georgian Britain (Britain’s social reform via
“Rule By Law”).
Where euthenasia is concerned, then no one is attempting to eliminate “the young,” but
only SOME of the “young.” One should also include the mentally and physically infirm, along with the “old.”
In those instances in which mentally ill or mentally retarded human beings have been executed (such as Arkansas in 1992 when Bill Clinton demonstrated his support of ("capital punishment"), then it is EXACTLY equivalent to “eliminating the young” (abortion or infantacide due to defect) and “old” (no longer useful). One used to have to be mentally fit in the pre-reformed America to be found guilty of a capital offense. The reform of capital punishment came just in time: Just prior to the dumping of mentally ill Americans out of the mental institutions being shut down without replacement and onto the streets in the mid 1970s and throughout the 1980s. Life expectency for Americans who are mentally ill has now plunged to 53 years old (Castro obviously knew what he was about when he dumped the Cuban mentally ill into the U.S.A. in 1980).
Superhuman Patriot| 4.2.09 @ 12:57AM
This is why we need to embrace socialized medicine as glorious patriots! To keep these death licking liberals at bay! Lets do this!
We can't have it both ways.
Paul Crowley| 4.2.09 @ 1:10AM
Jeanie. "It doesn't matter in what context you put it. Murder, is murder. If you knowingly have a way to save someone, or prolong their life, because they want more time....do so. THAT is your moral obligation."
“Moral obligation?”
“knowingly have a way?”
“Because they want more time?”
None of this statement makes sense.
Is this only poorly phrased, or, if not: Then what ethical system is this?
“prolong their life”
This is TERRIBLE phrasing.
So now people Have Been Taught to think of saving a life as "prolonging a life?"
Drug-company commercials, often rubbish, have made this miserable phrase, all too common place, over the past 10-15 years.
Motown Mike| 4.2.09 @ 8:21AM
I've seen this coming for a long time. The baby boomers, among the first to realize the "benefits" of abortion, will also learn about the biblical law of sowing and reaping. Demean the humananity and viabililty of the very young and the old are next.
Heather| 4.2.09 @ 11:47AM
'Reap the whirlwind' is how the Bible succinctly puts it. Short and to the point.
Daniel| 4.3.09 @ 11:18AM
What exactly is so terrible about someone wanting to end the suffering caused by terrible, life destroying disease ?
Mike| 12.4.09 @ 3:53PM
To be honest, I dont think that people should suffer. No way. Mike the red ring of death fix dude.
MT| 4.3.09 @ 12:03PM
Daniel. look at the Netherlands--even healthy elderly folks are afraid of going to the hospital now because they fear that a 'compassionate' care giver is going to facilitate their death. The potential for abuse of euthanasia is a given. Think, man!
John| 4.3.09 @ 10:11PM
One can see how this plays out. Mandatory prescriptions / treatment that can have only one certaint outcome. You can betcha, that govt bureaucrats, however, will painstakenly come up with a "treatment" name to "market" this abomination.
Palin Will Never Fuck You| 4.7.09 @ 1:14AM
Did you just say betcha? Loser much? You know you'll fail, why try?
SARAH PALIN FOR PRESIDENT!!| 4.7.09 @ 3:02AM
You could never be with a gorgeous girl like Palin, loser liberal. Not in a million years. The best thing about Sarah is her good and generous heart. The left fears her for her goodness. Screw yourselves, liberals.
Winston Jen| 4.8.09 @ 9:43AM
Pro-lifers will never complain about the self-starvation that occurs now. According to their twisted sense of compassion, a violent, slow and/or painful death/suicide is perfectly acceptable.
JS| 4.21.09 @ 11:54AM
The USS Enterprise carries *photon* torpedoes, not proton (At least until NCC-1701E, when she was equipped with quantum torpedoes). Proton torpedoes are carried by X and Y wing fighters from the Rebel Alliance.
If you're going to mix your sci-fi metaphors, at least get them right.
Cindy Sue Causey| 6.15.09 @ 11:40AM
Thank you so much for this piece, Daniel.. And a Keyboard tip to Stop Socialism's ping for reviving it via Google alerts a few short moments ago..
It breaks my Heart to read your words through as I had just a couple of days ago tweeted Randy Stroup and Barbara Wagner as representative of "Harry and Louise" whose very Lives were at the mercy of openly proposed health care rationing..
In reading this now, my deepest thoughts are with Randy and Barbara and their friends and families along with everyone else among our most vulnerable populations whose Life has suddenly become horrendously devalued based on each, its perceived utilitarian use as openly, ultimately implied by our newest administration's verbalized healthcare agenda..
In Loving Peace and Unity from Talking Rock..
Cindy Sue
Anon| 8.30.09 @ 7:35PM
You're all pretty sick, arrogant bastards, thinking you know better than I do what's best for me. Why not fuck off and leave my life to me. If I'm not hurting anyone else, why do you care? I'm not the one buying a gun to shoot up a school like you guys.
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