The American Spectator

Anya| 3.19.09 @ 7:16AM

Mr. Hillyer,
I appreciate you writing on this important issue and agree with much of what you say. I disagree with the following and add my thoughts.

"We do not know, nor will we probably ever know, when a human being becomes ensouled. And we do not know when mind begins. Some things are mysteries and ever will be. We do not know when pain becomes truly felt as pain;"

Luke 1:44 teaches "For behold, when the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby leaped in my womb for JOY."

If a baby in the womb can feel joy as John the Baptist did, they can also feel the pain of being murdered.

Jeremiah 1:5 teaches, "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you."

This is the Creator, the Lord God Almighty, Jesus Christ speaking to his servant the Prophet, Jeremiah.

We can know, it is not a mystery.

Any woman who finds herself pregnant and unable to provide or care for her baby has ADOPTION as an option.
A heartbreaking decision for the mother? Most likely, but a selfless, life giving one for her baby.

stu.b.con| 3.19.09 @ 7:41AM

Well said Mr. Hilyer, well said!

TennesseeVolunteer| 3.19.09 @ 7:44AM

There is a story going on the internet that describes "The Remnant", a group of individuals that may be unknown to others, and possibly unknowing themselves.
But when something important needs to 'righted' or a life saved, this person, this unknowing hero, will rise up to do what is right, and good.
After reading your article today, I have just seen for myself, the first evidence, the first citizen hero of that "Remnant"
Well done, good and faithful servant.

CS Lewis| 3.19.09 @ 8:01AM

Anya... thank you for those scriptures for those of us who know them and those who do not.
Quin... yes it is time to call this president just what he is... a low life unruly child.
The leader of the free world? I think not! If I were God I'd be sending a thunderbolt his way like in biblical times.
But it seems that We The People have stood by and in a deadly reasoning (that it would not matter if Obama becomes president since it will only be for four or eight years at the worse so I can just skip voting this year and besides I don't like McCain) have allowed this extremely un-godly child to take rule over us.
To keep silent any longer is to condone the evil. God help us all to stand up and make our voice heard. Everytime I hear the words President Obama I just want to puke!

RT| 3.19.09 @ 8:07AM

Hear, hear!

Louis Jenkins| 3.19.09 @ 8:32AM

Obama is on the march indeed. During the campaign he claimed that he was his brother’s keeper, as long as his brother wasn’t a fetus. But Obama’s distain for life goes even deeper evidenced by his planned overhaul of our health care system. Granted, what we now have needs improvement but its better than what a lot of nations have. Point at our child mortality rate will you? Go look at the criteria for live birth in the mecca socialist health care nations our politicians use as examples. France doesn’t even consider a non-viable neonate a live birth, therefore its not counted against the overall child mortality rate. In the US that non-viable neonate would be given every medical chance for survival, and be counted as a death if that should be case.

Obama is not just pro-abortion, but apparently he is anti-health care for our elderly because, well, it just isn’t economically sound. (Strange to use health care analysis cost vs longevity in view of the billions being handed out to banking institutions and economic stimuli.) US veterans in need of health care are now discovering his attitude towards them. Get a life long debilitating injury while in service, and, well Mr. Vet, you’re on your own. If he applied his abortion, health care policy to the economy it would have aborted it a long time ago.

Wake up folks and smell the coffee. None of the life determining decisions are beyond his pay grade now. This president is bringing calamity down on our heads. I am proud to claim I didn’t vote for this charlatan, snake oil sales, odiferous product of the human race.

Steve| 3.19.09 @ 8:33AM

Quin:

I've enjoyed reading you for years. Thanks for this thoughtful, well reasoned piece. I think you summed it up well twice and it is worth repeating again...

Lost liberty is recoverable; lost life is not.

ame| 3.19.09 @ 9:00AM

Obama's willingness to allow infants to be killed after they are born after botched abortions is barbarian.
That alone disqualifies Obama from any voter of any conscience - any moral center.
Obama said the first thing he woud do as president is sign a bill that allows NO restrictions on abortions and that means, for all intent and purpose, killing babies and Obama has no qualms with that, and, apparently, neither do voters as they elected zerO.
Obama has no moral and no ethical core - he is solipsistic and so falsely egotistical as to be a clear danger to any freedom loving nation. Killing babies is anathema to any civilized nation and any person who condones killing babies is the lowest of cowards: Obama.
OBAMA MUST BE STOPPED and America must get back to her roots before we lose everything we treasure, especially our children's freedom.

Mom| 3.19.09 @ 9:20AM

Don't forget adoption. There is a way that a woman who cannot take care of a baby can give that child life without ruining her own: adoption. Today, usually the placing mother chooses the adoptive parents and what degree of openness the adoption will involve: no contract, annual letters, even occasional visits. It is an honorable and loving choice and needs to honored.

Mom| 3.19.09 @ 9:23AM

Sorry--I mean "no contact," not 'no contract.'

Gill O’Teen| 3.19.09 @ 9:33AM

On the campaign trail last year, obumah cited Matthew 25: 31-46, through which Jesus teaches us to care for the “least of these”. What could be more “least” than a naked born-alive infant, defenseless, and abandoned to die on a cold hospital metal tray by doctors and nurses who promised to do no harm? No matter that these helpless babies are Citizens of the United States according to a document that is just as inconvenient to the lemming-in-chief’s communist vision for our country as are these gifts from God - The Constitution of the United States of America. And his fanatical followers want this jackass to ‘reform’ health care. Be afraid, be very afraid.

Son Of Sam| 3.19.09 @ 9:47AM

In my regular offline existence, I am a schoolteacher. On a daily basis, I look around my classroom, and wonder what all the missing students would have looked like. I wonder if they would have been great students, or needed that little bit of extra help. I wonder what sports they might have enjoyed, what books they would have read. I wonder if they would have liked to dance or sing. I wonder how their voices might have sounded. I wonder most of all how anyone could kill their own child, or help someone to do the killing, and then try to justify it with the lame excuse that it was a "difficult" decision. The person for whom it was the most "difficult" is the person being killed. The dead know only one thing: that it is better to be alive

Welcome to the Aborted States of America. 50 million strong and getting bigger by the hour.

until freedom dawns
Son Of Sam
http://www.geocities.com/samadamssos

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 3.19.09 @ 9:50AM

Imagine Barack Obama with a hatchet in his left hand. In his right hand he holds a fetus in place on a gurney. It may be graphic but it's a true representation of providing federal funds to pay for abortions.

Rick Josey| 3.19.09 @ 9:51AM

Monstrously...a good choice of words. The Obama adminstration is filled with tax cheats, lobbyists and people hell-bent on dragging our country into socialism. So it's no surprise the man at the top is vigorously pursing the abortion agenda. He is not a good man.

It's always amazing to see how "relabeling" changes the debate. The very word "abort" sounds so tame, when used to describe KILLING INFANTS.

And that word "choice." The freedom to "choose" to kill an infant. I suppose these liberal lunatics also think a serial killer has the right to "choose" to kill them. It's his choice, his right to murder people. Maybe he should do this country a favor and target them.

Obama said the pork-laden stimulus bill contained "no pork." So it's no surprise he would call infant killing a "choice."

Relabeling.

Welcome to the brave new world.
Of liars and deceivers.

www.PatriotHangout.com

Nelson Ward| 3.19.09 @ 9:54AM

Thank you, Quin, for standing tall.

Gill O’Teen| 3.19.09 @ 10:26AM

Bill Hussein O'Stalin - your graphic image posted at 9:50 AM would make a swell t-shirt. However, I live in Missouri whose governor would have me targeted as a terrorist by law enforcement if I wore one.

Kent Lyon| 3.19.09 @ 10:30AM

We may not ever know the mystery of when a fetus is "ensouled", but that is not really the correct question. Nor is the correct question a mystery. The correct question is, when is a person defined biologically, and that moment is the moment of fertilization. At that moment, a completely unique human individual exists, with a DNA complement that has never before existed in the entire history of the Universe, and will never exist again, a unique individual whose full potential at that point is unknown. Each episode of fertilization is a "singularity", a creation of something that has never been before and will never be again. To intentionally and willfully curtail the expression of that DNA, to truncate the life and potentail of that individual, is an unparelleled act of violence against Nature in its most vulnerable and hopefull form, an act against the Universe. There is no object in the Universe as precious as a newly fertilized human embryo. 3 billion years of evolution shouldn't be discarded cavalierly. Abortion should be considered more carefully than the death penalty, at a minimum. At least in the death penalty there is an attempt at justice, however imperfect. In abortion there is none at all.

JJ JR| 3.19.09 @ 10:44AM

Y'all,

We can use all of the adjectives, nouns, verbs, etc to describe Obama's views on abortion. I will, left with nothing else, offer my own:

- Nothing but a deceitful, vainglorious MONSTER would advocate the abortion policies he and his administration are jamming down this great judeo-christian nation's body politic!

And hey, the babies that do make it into this world can be watched over by the newly confirmed, pedophile-protecting Deputy Attorney General David Ogden. See the below link for the particulars:

http://www.frc.org/pressrelease/frc-decries-committee-vote-on-ogden-urges-senators-to-stand-for-families

Sir Edmund Burke: The only thing it takes for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.

JJ JR

marc macyoung| 3.19.09 @ 10:51AM

Before I start, let me tell you where I am coming from. I spent my entire life hunting, contesting and dealing with violent, criminal, addicts, alcoholics and dysfunctional people. Dealing with these people was both common in my personal and professional life -- especially when I ran a prison. Pretty much to a person, they ALWAYS had horrible childhoods. I say this, not to excuse what they had become; but to point out that as as adults, they were still making decisions off the paradigms they'd developed as children. Adult sized childishness is NOT fun.
The problem that I have with any ideologically based decision about dictating people's behaviors is: What are the long term consequences?
I ask this especially in light of this question: Who is going to deal with the consequences?
While it is easy to sell the idea of no-abortion to 'save' babies and children; who is going to take CARE of those children?
Self-absorbed, me-based, young people DON'T usually magically flip a switch and turn into good, nurturing and most of all, stable parents just because they decide not to abort the child. In fact, they usually make terrible parents and caregivers.
In some third world countries-- where letting a baby starve or die of other sickness is common -- a form of post-birth-abortion is practiced. While that is not common here, the quality of life these children will endure IS often substandard.
And when they grow up, that is when they would become my problem. There is a huge segment of society out there that doesn't seek therapy, sympathy or read books about how to overcome a horrible childhood -- they base their adult lifestyle choices on what they grew up with. Not only isn't that isn't pretty, but there have been a number of cases where I ended up looking at those people over the barrel of a gun. Sometimes I had the gun, sometimes they did.
Is abortion right or wrong? That is an issue above my paygrade.
What I can tell you, is that if you want it outlawed, then YOU, not the parents, not the government, not society had better be ready to pick up the slack. Whether that means
a) adopting the child and raising him/her right, b) pulling the trigger on a dangerous and out of control adult or
c) paying the cost of keeping such a person in prison
d) having to deal with a society of people raised like this
There WILL be consequences, both long term and unintentional. I don't have the answer to the question of abortion, but I can tell you that ideological answers -- while they may make you feel good -- don't address the long term consequences. Come up with a working answer for these problems and you'll have a better chance convincing people you're right.

BR| 3.19.09 @ 10:56AM

Dear Mr. Hillyer;

There are some absolute truths about life and abortion.

1. Life begins at conception because there is no other way to life (scientific life). Without conception, there can be no life.

2. Death occurs when a person stops breathing unassisted (the unborn does not count because they receive oxygen from the mother)

3. Any procedure that artificially interrupts the life process between 1 & 2 is murder.

Just because a woman spreads her legs to fulfill a need, does not give them the right to resole themselves of the responsibility of their actions with reckless disregard.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 11:00AM

Great Quinn-piece, and eloquent responses (so far). Abortion is not just one of many competing "social issues"; it is THE defining issue of our era. All politics and economics, and all thinking about politics and economics, rests on one fundamental first principle: Life must be cherished. You can't prove that principle because it is beyond "proof": like the principle of non-contradiction, the principle that life must be cherished is the ground on which all less basic issues depend for their arguments and proofs to stand or fall. Eliminate or ignore the principle and everything else tumbles into an abyss.

Here's more groundwork for thinking about the present administration: Mr. Obama is a dangerous child of his times. He is a 47-year-old man with the mind of a unreflective college sophomore and the soul of an angry and troubled 16-year-old. Yes--he's a shallow activist who doesn't know what the hell he's doing, but there's something more sinister that we should never lose sight of: he doesn't CARE that he doesn't know what the hell he's doing.

Doc Bones| 3.19.09 @ 11:01AM

I like the photo chosen for the article-the Big "O"(as in zero) flipping us off!

T Shaw| 3.19.09 @ 11:17AM

There is no mystery...

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you..." Jeremiah 1:5

And marc macyoung...true all those social issues do exist, but the solution is not to murder the most innocent in our society. Abortion has been legal for more than 30 years: and have we seen any improvements in the social problems you mentioned? No. Nor will we just because abortion is legal. In fact, I could argue that abortion is contributing to these problems, but that's another debate.

Charles Martel| 3.19.09 @ 11:25AM

Marc Macyoung --

You're right: killing them in the womb would probably make your job easier. I congratulate you for successfully connecting the dots and rationalizing the tens of millions of such deaths.

In fact, by your reasoning, we're not aborting enough of them.

+++

Clusiana| 3.19.09 @ 11:33AM

God, the Creator of Life, has give us ample time to turn from abortion and the culture of death. We have turned away and now he has lifted his hand of protection from the USA. Without considering what 0bama said during the election he was elected. And by a majority of Roman Catholics. God gives a nation a chance to repent. We have not repented. The enemy is now our god and government. Return to faith and reason. Next election vote the reprobates out of office. Return to God. That simple.

Texas Male| 3.19.09 @ 11:35AM

Obama's abortion policies/views are an abomination to most caring people and almost ALL remotely religious minded. Yet here we are again, just like everything else lately concerning the enslavement being thrust upon this nation.....sitting on our hands. Who will do more than tepidly moan?

I am not a Catholic but for all intents and purposes, the Catholic Church seems to be the official "spokesman" for Christianity as 'evangelicals" have been marginalized as fringe or worse. Having said that, the church seems to not want to make waves by not forcing our politicians to shed their sheep's clothing and say you are either a Catholic Christian or you are an abortionist! You cannot be both! Let the most powerful Democrats in this country run as anti-christians they really are and not use the nation's most powerful voting bloc as cover.

Nancy Pelosi is NOT a Christian...she despises them yet she is given communion and succor without much protest. She is even allowed to misrepresent the fundamental beliefs of that religion. There should be loud and constant denunciations and excommunication.

The populace will be moved to act only when it is too late apparently as we sink daily into an entrenched and irreversible totalitarianism.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 11:39AM

Obama is the perfect figurehead of the party/culture of death--he's absolutely soulless.

dmsneddon| 3.19.09 @ 11:51AM

Thank you Mr. Hillyer for your views and candidness. Abortion is a tactic and lie of satan that causes those precious women to believe that they cannot raise or provide for this child--God is the provider--and He will. Evil has taken over our government on a massive scale--huge lies are believed and proclaimed as "undeniable truths"--and just as Hitler lied to the German people and whipped them into a frenzy they swallowed it, hook, line and sinker. Then those as I read who toured the concentration camps afterwards--cried and mourned after what they had allowed to happen--but no one today wants to take a hard look at what has been done, or even think for one second they have contributed to the growing holocaust of the pre-born. I pray God will change those hearts in government who are in a position to influence because for sure they will be held to a higher authority level before God. Thank you again.
Marc Macyoung--- Sir---we are the ones who have to be responsible, to show love and mercy to those whose care has been entrusted to us.
Proverbs 31:8-9 "Open your mouth for the speechless, In the cause of all who are appointed to die." Open your mouth, judge righteously and plead the cause of the poor and needy.

Marc Macyoung| 3.19.09 @ 11:57AM

Mr Martel,
You miss my point. I am not arguing for or against abortion. I'm pointing out consequences. In fact, you carefully avoided my point of if you save this life it will effect yours. I say this because I do help people. So I am speaking from first hand experience.
This isn't an issue where you can say 'this is what we want' and then let other people deal with the results. You have to get in there and help.
You want to save a life? Good, then adopt the baby you save. I've seen too many abused and neglected living children being -- and I use this term loosely -- 'raised' by unfit parents. On the other hand, I know some wonderful people who have adopted and raised children from those backgrounds instead of letting social services raise them. And blessings be on them for what they are doing ... we need more folks like them

Starry Night| 3.19.09 @ 11:59AM

Clusiana said it all: "Return to God." It really is that simple.

God's Grace| 3.19.09 @ 12:15PM

40% of our births are now out of wedlock: How much longer can our nation survive this chaos? Of course, abortion is not the answer--it's all about despair. The only way we're going to make it is by opening our hearts. Agape: Unselfish love of one person for another; brotherly love. Have we forgotten?

Al Adab| 3.19.09 @ 12:20PM

It is quite simple. We have now through public funding become a nation with a national, state supported religion. Worship of the idol CHOICE is now mandated and supported by extoriton of money from its owners to the priesthood of abortion. If that is not enough we now seek to prosletize this worship around the world again through our tax dollars. What became of the nations steeped in idolatry in history? Where are they now? We have embarked upon a one way street. Either we turn back now at whatever cost or we must find the words to apologize to our granchildren (if ever born) not only for the theft of their futures, but for the dark age world we will have left them.

Crusader| 3.19.09 @ 12:21PM

If you are not ready to raise a child you should not engage in adult activities that could lead to the creation of a child. Purty simple stuff. Saying "no" is simple compared to agonizing over abortion or not, and living with the consequences.

Abortion is simply an after-the-fact contraceptive. Murder.

As for the baby not knowing fear, my God man, a baby in the womb would not know fear because the womb should be the SAFEST PLACE IN THE WORLD FOR HIM!!!!!

Starry Night| 3.19.09 @ 12:31PM

Sorry, Quin, I couldn't finish reading your haunting piece--it brought me to tears. I grieve for the loss of these sweet babies; I mourn the death of hope and innocence.

Obama Rules| 3.19.09 @ 12:39PM

No Republican has ever been "pro-life." A more appropriate term is "pro-birth." If you guys were pro-life, you'd support universal healthcare for all American children.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 1:05PM

No liberal Democrat has ever cared a damn about other human beings. A more appropriate term for "universal healthcare" is universal bondage. If the "Obama Rules" kind of guys were pro-health, they'd reject the killing mills at Planned Parenthood.

Angel| 3.19.09 @ 1:05PM

Shut up, you ugly little creep. Hell awaits you.

Angel| 3.19.09 @ 1:07PM

My comment was meant for OR. Get a job, you little pig.

Crusader| 3.19.09 @ 1:20PM

OR, will "all American children" include Sasha and Maliqua or whatever the hell made-up African name she has? Or will teleprompter-boy send his girls to a doc he can afford? How about Brad and Angelina's 8,000 kids? Do I have to pay increased taxes to pay for childcare for kids of a person who gets $20M to repeat someone else's words?

How about before you decide to engage in adult activity that could result in a baby, you make sure you are emotionally and financially able to deal with the baby. How about "universal personal responsibility?" Or is that too hard?

unger| 3.19.09 @ 1:21PM

marc macyoung
You raise interesting points about the social consequences of letting the untermensch breed in such large numbers. But would you please consider, what have been the social results of thirty-five years of the systematic killing of the unborn poor? Surely this question is not above a moral persons paygrade. Is abortion murder? I think this question deserves an answer.

Ed| 3.19.09 @ 1:43PM

What is really happening here is that liberals and progressives have turned abortion into a "dark sacrament." That is, it becomes a rite of passage to get power in left-wing circles. It also attempts to "lock in" pro-abortion sentiments. For example, if ordinary people choose to support the busting up of embryos for regenerative therapies, then there are that many more voters who are pro-abortion. This is about as perverse as it gets, and is worthy of the Screwtape Letters by C.S. Lewis (which is a mordant dissection of the left-wing world view). It is but a slippery slope to growing fetuses for organ transplants (like kidneys and pancreases).

This is truly a perversion of the Catholic Church's sacraments (Communion, Marriage, etc.). God's wheels of justice grind slowly, but they grind exceedingly fine. Obama and his ilk are doomed by their own words and actions.

Anon| 3.19.09 @ 1:53PM

For all appearances, I am a successful woman. I'm at the tailend of my forties. I own my own home, car, in a nice relationship, generally have a nice life. However, I always thought I would be married with children for a long time by now. Life is not always the way you think it's going to be, especially when you make wrong-headed assinine choices. I am not married and I have no children. I've told people that I wasn't blessed with them if the topic comes up. The truth is I've murdered my unborn children. Yes, children. I've had more than one abortion. I, too, have never written or spoken about them. I graduated high school and went on to college in the late 70s when the time was ripe for feminism, liberalism and all the other -isms one picks up in higher education. I grew up in a strict Protestant home where I attended Sunday School and church services until the end of high school. You would think I would have chosen better. I didn't. There is a lot of justification that went on. A lot of tears too. I suppressed feelings of regret, saddness, self-hatred for a long time. They would come in waves, over the years, those feelings. There came a time when the feelings and thoughts would haunt me daily. I murdered my children. Children I had every intention of having, then caving in to the lies "they" told me would be reasonable and rational for aborting. Convinced, as Mr. Hillyer says, of my incompetence in caring for them. How utterly stupid of me. One day, it all caught up to me. I decided that it would be better to commit suicide. I thought about it a lot. When it came down to do it, I couldn't. What irony! I wrestled with it for awhile then I found the Grace I wish I had in the face of my earlier adversities. I got down on my knees and begged for forgiveness after seeing one of those religious shows on TV. Laugh if you want to, God is good. I just wish I had been a long time ago.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 2:24PM

Anon, my heart breaks for you. If you need help with your grief, Project Rachel is a Catholic post-abortion support group that will open its arms to you. It is a fine organization that has helped many women. God bless you.

KyMouse| 3.19.09 @ 2:29PM

Anon, believe me, I'm not laughing. Every one of us is a sinner in need of forgiveness, although the sins we've committed may vary. God bless you for having faced yours, repented, and accepted Jesus' payment for them. I've been there and done that, myself. Every saint has a past, and every sinner has a future -- in Him.

Angel| 3.19.09 @ 2:34PM

You're not alone, Anon. Post abortion sorrow and regret ripple throughout our society. Many women suffer alone and in silence. I've read that abortion results in--one dead and one wounded--but I believe there are many men out there who are hurting, too. Have the courage to seek help, so that you can live the joyful life God meant for you.

Richard| 3.19.09 @ 2:44PM

Just wait until Mr. Death gets his Universal Health Care or Population Control. When getting sick equals death.

Life Is A Gift| 3.19.09 @ 2:53PM

Evil is an equal opportunity destroyer; it doesn't discriminate. All life is at risk--especially innocent life.

Population Control | 3.19.09 @ 3:07PM

When did Obam force anyone to have abortion, people are in control of their own bodies. Who did Obama get pregnant and forced to have an abortion?

The Government of America does not run anyones sex life, that is a private matter for individuals to make decisions about.

There is too many cockroaches & Rats in the world.

MT| 3.19.09 @ 3:13PM

Cockroach, since when is it a private matter to kill another person? Spoken like a true democRAT.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 3:13PM

When did Population Control rupture his heart and his brainstem? People are responsible for the consequences of their actions. The Government of America does not have the authority to kill innocent people, and killing is not a private matter to make decisions about.

There is [sic] too many Population Control freaks in the world.

TennesseeVolunteer| 3.19.09 @ 3:20PM

Anon, every once in awhile there is a post on the internet that cuts like a knife and puts shivers in your spine. Your honesty and courage to face and communicate this to us is a gesture of courage and earns you redemption. I have a friend who has done the same and that sin has guided her to do as much good as possible in her life. She will never forgive herself but God forgave her a long time ago, as he did you. Be well.

BD57| 3.19.09 @ 3:20PM

Quin:

Great piece.

Part of the tragedy of abortion is a culture which has pretty effectively ostracized adoption. I recall overhearing a conversation years ago between two teenage girls - "keep it" or "abort" were the only options, "I would never do that!" the reaction to adoption.

What's sad is that yammerers like "O-rules" have 1/4 of a point (forget the 'universal health care' crappola) .... neither Democrats nor Republicans take it much past "the procedure" in public debate.

The pro-death party's reasoning is easy to understand.

In their eyes, the "right to choose" is only vindicated when abortion occurs. They won't champion adoption because increasing sentiment for adoption could undercut support for the "right" - people might decide pregnant girls SHOULD put their babies up for adoption, etc.

Why Republicans don't see the opportunity this presents is hard to understand (ok, "stupid party" does pretty well as an explanation). Maybe we think a complex argument ("Abortion is wrong; give you and your child a chance to live, place the baby for adoption") is too hard.

As the father of two adopted children and an adopted child myself, I thank God for the young ladies who were willing to see it through and give both themselves and their children a chance for life.

CH| 3.19.09 @ 3:22PM

IT IS NOT A CHOICE, IT IS A CHILD! Learn to discern, morons.

Oldefarte| 3.19.09 @ 3:31PM

Great editorial[as usual], Quin! To add to MARC's thoughts, birth control should be the solution, not abortion. Unfortionately, lack of intelligence results in unplanned pregnancies with the resultant roadway divided into CHOICE or LIFE. As MARC concludes, the ill-prepared taking the latter path sentences the resultant child to a lifetime of misery, pain, assualt, crime, poverty,etc. The results are alcoholics, drug/sex addicts, murderers, rapists,etc. that others such as MARC are forced to deal [take responsibility for] with. The alternative path described by ANON sometimes condemns the abortors to a lifetime of guilt, misery and pain. What about a middle-of-the-road approach? One where intelligence though education promotes pre-sexually active children to become aware of the consequences of the two paths of CHOICE or LIFE; where these educated humans properly use birth control methods at the time of becoming sexually active; where children are born to loving, nurturing individuals and into financially adequate households that are capable of raising said children properly into adulthood without the psychological constraints [previously mentioned] that condemn said children to a lifetime of hell; and where either society, the government, or both bring to bear upon society consequencies for not abiding by these birth control/parental norms and requirements. As Quin indicates, the government/law should provide for the helpless/defenseless unborn[since irresponsibile humans having sex will result in unwanted births and abused children], and, if adequate governmental laws/mandates,etc are in place, anyone ignoring/disregarding same should then become punishable by law the same as any other criminal!!!!

Bob Miller| 3.19.09 @ 3:31PM

To a communist or a communist-imitator, the intrinsic value of any human life after birth is zero. People, in that view, have value only in being tools of the Party or State.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 3:49PM

BD57, I just want you to know that there are many Conservatives who give their time and money to Pro-Life Crisis Pregnancy Centers. We don't receive the many millions in government funding (your tax dollars at work) that Planned Parenthood does, but we do our best to help young women choose life by keeping the baby herself or finding adoptive parents. We offer them a shoulder to cry on and financial support. Many of us do walk the walk, but of course, more help is always needed.

Jim| 3.19.09 @ 3:57PM

How can we on one hand charge people with murder if they kill a fetus in a womans womb either in the act of trying to kill her or accidently, but then hold the opposite view should a woman hire a doctor to do the same thing? Either it's a human deserving protection as I believe or it's not ever deserving of protection. Given the tremendous strides we have made in keeping premature babies alive the line is distinctly blurring.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 4:03PM

This is a little awkward for me--I'd rather spend the rest of this exchange mocking the insufferably stupid remarks of folks like "Obama Rules" and "Population Control," and I don't like having to go up against good guys like "Oldefarte," so I'll try to make it short.

I'm afraid that the roadway really IS divided between so-called CHOICE and LIFE. There's no middle ground on this one. I think I've lived long enough to have seen what now seems obvious: enlightened sex education and "proper" birth control are not alternatives to abortion. The historical fact is that earlier efforts to reduce issues of human sexuality to the level of rationalist categories were the prelude to the eventual abomination of legalized abortion. The only real dispute is over WHY there should be such a connection, not over whether there IS such a connection.

It appears that the Roman Catholic pope, Paul VI, got it exactly right in 1968 (five years before Roe v. Wade) in his encyclical "Humanae Vitae," a teaching rejected by many prominent chin-waggers in his own church. But don't take my word for it. Go ahead and read it. His anticipation of the consequences of the so-called sexual revolution (i.e., of reducing sexuality to the level of plumbing and rational planning) is uncanny--even prophetic, if I can use the term in this venue. And the thoughtful reflection in the document is not above anyone's pay grade.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 4:21PM

Abortion is just one part of the 'culture of death'. The aged, infirm and handicapped are also on the death list. If we don't stand up and protect the most vulnerable individuals among us, don't we deserve their fate, too?

Obama Rules| 3.19.09 @ 4:44PM

Crazy right wingers will argue about the rights of a 3-week-old fetus. But God forbid that same fetus grows up to be a 7-year-old child who is starvin' on the street and his parents can't afford health care...by then you could care less. The parents should just "get a job," right?

Also, is there a difference between dead American fetuses and dead Iraqi children? Nobody here has yet to tell me how come Iraqi kids don't matter. Is it "cuz them's half-black anyhoo"?

It'd be refreshing if somebody actually tried responding to my posts in a civilized manner, instead of saying, "Oh what do you know you commie liberal go get a job you baby killing pinko!"

Yeah, I have a job. And I make more money than you people do. And I have a kid. And she is by far the prettiest baby this side of the planet.

Jokester| 3.19.09 @ 4:45PM

ruth, like you care about the handicapped! hah! now there is a joke.

hooligunz| 3.19.09 @ 4:45PM

Dumb Article... Dumb comments.... From the standpoint of a non US citizen.... this article and comments shows that:
1) You place religion before science. Whatever Jesus said..
2) You dont understand the overpopulation problem in the world... If u bozos consume at the rate ur doing right now.... there wont be enough food left to feed the thousand of kids u will be "saving".
3) The issue about paying taxes for abortions. Who the hell is going to pay for the education, healthcare and other things for which u have to pay out of our own pockets, dumbheads

Obama Rules| 3.19.09 @ 4:46PM

John II, you're so smart. I wish I were as smart as you.

Nigga| 3.19.09 @ 4:48PM

ruth, i believe your man Dubya coined the term 'culture of death' when he bombed the living shit out of 100,000 iraqi children you dumb whore.

Tara Sz.| 3.19.09 @ 4:49PM

It's important to note that by Planned Parenthood's own offical admission, more than 50% of women who procure an abortion were on some form of birth control at the time of conception. The answer is definitely not contraception. We all need to learn discipline, self-control, and the true meaning of sexuality. Sex reduced to a mere recreational sport breeds nothing but tragedy.

Please read up on a way of life called the Theology of Body. TOB is the antidote to the abortion crisis.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 4:59PM

Just look at the products of the culture of death who've just posted. What else can be expected when 1 out of 3 of their generation have been aborted? Of course they are vile and vicious little scummies, they've been taught that their lives have no value. They ooze hatred and ugliness, and I pity them.

MT| 3.19.09 @ 5:03PM

Obama Rules is a sick little pervert who must be off his meds. He's on house arrest once again: They won't let him near young children because of his strange proclivities.

JHarp| 3.19.09 @ 5:05PM

ObamaRules, if you're so concerned about over-population--why don't you man-up and off yourself for the cause? You won't be missed, nasty liberal troll.

Violet| 3.19.09 @ 5:09PM

I hope your pretty little kid is safe with you, pervert. She's lucky she survived your abortion mentality madness. Maybe.

Al Adab| 3.19.09 @ 5:39PM

The ad hominim really furthers the debate. Even when O/R asks for reasoned debate all he posts is trash talk. He does however make clear that one of the great problems of the left's world view is moral equivilance. When one is unable to distinguish between say warplanes and medical proceedures any semblance of reason goes by the wayside. Interesting how O/R demonstrates his elitist world view "I make more money..." Interesting criteria of personal value. How much did Socrates make?

JHarp| 3.19.09 @ 5:43PM

Obama Rules is probably an abortionist like Dr. Tiller the baby killer: No wonder he makes so much money. He's got blood on his hands, too.

JHarp| 3.19.09 @ 5:43PM

Obama Rules is probably an abortionist like Dr. Tiller the baby killer: No wonder he makes so much money. He's got blood on his hands, too.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 5:53PM

"Obama Rules": I never called you stupid. I alluded to the "insufferable stupidity" of your remarks. Can't you tell the difference? Or is the problem that you really ARE stupid?

Oh, sometimes I think I will just go mad! (Groucho Marx quoting Greta Garbo, 1929--always cite your sources.)

stmichrick| 3.19.09 @ 5:54PM

The power to terminate the unborn is the ultimate power statement/sacrament for the Femi Nazi.

'I wouldn't want her (his daughter, if faced with unwanted pregnancy) to be penalized with a child...'
- Senator Barack Obama

'...they (abortion-surviving fetus) shouldn't be eligible for Blue Shield or anything..'
-State Senator Barack Obama

Disgusting.

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 6:01PM

OR : Pope John Paul ll coined the phrase--The Culture of Death. Ever heard of him? Wore a big hat, lived in the Vatican? Dunce Cap time.

Quin| 3.19.09 @ 6:04PM

Just wanted to let everybody know that I am extremely grateful for the outpouring of thoughtful comments about my column today. With very few exception, both the pro and con comments have been constructive and sensitive, and I deeply appreciate the discussion. I wish I could thank each commenter personally, but I especially want to thank Anon for sharing her own, personal, gut-wrenching story. May God bless you. Thanks again. -- Quin

stmichrick| 3.19.09 @ 6:04PM

Marc Macyoung;
You outlined all the practical obstacles to a successful life when the dysfunctional among us have babies. So you seem open to abortion as an alternative and practical matter

Problem is, with all that said, the logic also would apply to the babies who ARE born to the dysfunctional. Is that a rationale to kill them?

Angel| 3.19.09 @ 6:16PM

The true tragedy is that there are so many Anons. They are the walking wounded. God love them.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 6:16PM

Hey Quin! Regarding your post, I bet I'm speaking for most of us right-wing crazies when I say it's been our pleasure. But you get all the credit for starting this round. Keep 'em coming!

Jenni| 3.19.09 @ 6:31PM

Anyone who uses the term "anti-life" is an absolute idiot. No one is anti life. There are just some of us who do not see the uteri of the world's women as property of the government. Look, I chose to have my unexpected baby, but many aren't in the good situation I was. I don't know what I'd have done if there had been no choice, talk about feeling trapped. Birth control is not 100% and telling married couples they have to afford every child conceived is just sick and wrong. Back off and let women feel like more than cows out in a field, give them the same choice you know you would want. And if you have any doubt in that check with your local abortion provider about how many of you "pro lifers" are really obtaining abortions- you'd be surprised. Hypocrites.

MikeL| 3.19.09 @ 6:38PM

"is there a difference between dead American fetuses and dead Iraqi children? Nobody here has yet to tell me how come Iraqi kids don't matter. Is it "cuz them's half-black anyhoo"?

Well, making the erroneous assumption for the moment that you actually care about Iraqis, children or otherwise, (a million of whom died under Saddam, which I doubt concerned you one whit)..here is the difference.

Children die in war..always...which is a very ugly fact of war. However, they are almost never targeted intentionally...unless you happen to be an Islamist warrior.

The unborn and entirely innocent, are indeed targeted intentionally in the U.S. abortion industry.

The other arguments you and others have made to justify infanticide, just don't bear up under logical scrutiny.

If children are hungry or unwanted, what does that have to do with the right to kill them? Should we kill off the 'born' hungry and unwanted also, although they made it a little further along in their development?

If an environmental resource drain justifies infanticide, than logically it justifies genocide as well. Why not?

Almost all the pro abortion arguments tend to fall into this category. Using arguments which can't be extended to their logical conclusion, in order to make secondary emotional appeals. The question of 'where life begins' included.

The unborn is a separate life. That isn't a religous notion, it is a scientific biological certainty. All you get after conception is time and development. Not just for 9 months, but for 18 to 20 years or so.

Certainly a 'new born' is no more viable apart from the mother or a surrogate mother's care, then the unborn.

Take a one year old out in the snow and leave them alone, they won't live long. Just as dependant as when they were 3 months from conception.

Discussing all manner of irrelevant social ills and problems, will simply never justify murder of innocent children. Whether that murder be 6 months from conception, or 6 months after birth, is really inconsequential to the genuine moral question at issue.

Read the early thoughtful comments on this thread before the pro abortion trolls arrived and turned it into a mud throwing contest and ask yourself ....who you would rather sit and have an intelligent conversation with? Who would you rather trust in a dark alley with no police around? Who gives the impression of genuine humanity and caring vs bitter, angry, negative, anti social, snarky degeneracy?

Do not respond to them in kind, rise above the mud throwing and show them by reasoned argument, and example, what human civilization means.

Starry Night| 3.19.09 @ 6:45PM

Jenni, you're better off letting people just think you're an idiot rather than opening your mouth and removing all doubt. I'm so sure your local abortuary has a file on all the pro-life women having abortions. They don't care if the 'client' is only 10 years old, as long as they get her money in their hot little hands. Clown.

Liberty or Death| 3.19.09 @ 6:45PM

jharp- I am glad we agree on something;).

Marc Macyoung- every choice we make has consequences. Your whole line of argument can be summed up with this one word~ CONSEQUENCE.

If more people started taking responsibility for their own actions, instead of blaming God, their bad childhood, ethnicity, financial situation, rich-white people, wealthy CEO's, the government, the next-door neighbor, the dog etc.-- the world would be a much better place.

You cannot blame the moral in society for the problems of the immoral. There will always be good and evil (well at least until Judgment Day, when the Lord condemns the evil to everlasting damnation).

By your rationalization, the morally bankrupt are only products of horrible childhoods. Yes, children in intact families usually have an advantage over those who do not, but I can also give you hundreds of examples of good families with problem offspring. You are too over generalizing in your conclusion.

So, let's look at how far the butchering of millions has gotten us. We still have the highest murder rate per capita in the world. We still have immorality. What then is your solution? Maybe we should force every pregnant woman, under 18 (20? 25?), to kill her baby in order to avoid the "probability" that her offspring might become the next Charles Manson, in the future? Is that what the hell you are suggesting?

I'm sorry you have your hands full with the criminals of society, but abortion is not a solution. It's the problem. And increasing it, or letting it continue, won't save you on the paperwork dude.

Abortion is wrong. It is murder. Anyone with a brain should be able to answer that question... regardless of your "pay-grade."

And the "working answer" is this: Stop blaming everyone for your failures/mistakes and take responsibility for yourself!

If you have sex, you better be prepared for the CONSEQUENCES of that action.

CH| 3.19.09 @ 6:48PM

MikeL: And arm yourself to the teeth. These haters are now in power--I do not trust them.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 6:49PM

Hi Jenni. Welcome to the, er, discussion. But honest: I wouldn't want the "choice" to abort any more than either of us would want a legally sanctioned choice to shove a pesky old relative down a steep flight of stairs. We both want laws that protect us from those nasty kinds of "choices" that humans are capable of making against the well-being or existence of others. The rest of your note is a tad silly, so let's skip it.

Except for one thing. We don't have to wait for a slippery slope to play itself out on this issue. In the Netherlands, a country already several steps ahead in the direction we're being pushed by Obama & Co., the elderly are afraid to go to the hospital. They know that doing so might be the last thing they'll ever be permitted to choose to do, in a culture where the practice of euthanasia has advanced beyond choice.

Abortion is intrinsically evil, and the radical emptiness of evil must aggrandize itself--must keep getting worse--in order to survive, so to speak.

Crusader| 3.19.09 @ 6:55PM

Jenni, what was so "unexpected" about getting pregnant after you had sex?

That's like saying "I got this unexpected full feeling in my stomach after I ate dinner."

Here's a hint. If you don't want to have kids, don't have sex.

Oh, and I don't think the government should have say over your uterus. However I also don't think the gubmint should take my hard-earned money to pay for some poor woman in Mexico to have an abortion on my dime. Crazy I know.

Michele San Pietro| 3.19.09 @ 6:56PM

Obama is worse than Clinton over abortion!

Obama Rules| 3.19.09 @ 7:00PM

Jenni is just another mind-numbed liberal cow. Say mooooooooo, Jenni.

Liberty or Death| 3.19.09 @ 7:06PM

Anon~

Thank you for sharing your story with us. You've touched my heart today:) Your story is such an important one, and I wish more people had the opportunity to hear it.

May God richly bless you. May His comfort continue to give you strength.

Heather| 3.19.09 @ 7:30PM

ruth| 3.19.09 @ 4:59PM
"Of course they are vile and vicious little scummies...they ooze hatred and ugliness, and I pity them...."

Put down that gin glass my dear and pity yourself.
Every word you posts day after day reflect your own most vile inner self loathing. How can someone profess to care about a fetus life and display so vile hatred towards others . This certainly isn't coming from a sober thought process. You sound like a mean drunk. You are the true definition of hypocricy and we pity you.

Angel| 3.19.09 @ 7:42PM

Truth hurts, Heather? You're probably just one of the millions of walking wounded in our country. I feel sorry for you. If God can forgive you for your wrongs, surely you can forgive yourself, too.

JHarp| 3.19.09 @ 7:48PM

A helpful hint, Heather: Put the 'special brownie' down and pick up an English book. Your spelling could use a little work.

Common Sensei| 3.19.09 @ 7:59PM

There are two things that I don't understand
about any black person who is pro-abortion.

(1) There was a sad time in our nations history
when black (African-American ) slaves were NOT
considered persons. They were property that
could be beaten or even killed at the whim of
their "owners". Aren't fetuses considered
NON-persons by pro-choicers? Or a "mistake"
as Obama put it.
(2) The person who essentially started the
abortion movement and (UN)Planned
(UN)Parenthood in America (Margaret Sanger)
was a racist believer in eugenics who wanted to
"exterminate" the black race & other "mongrel"
or "aboriginal" races. So now Obama is helping
Margaret Sanger carry out her agenda???

Don't these two things make any black person
who is so pro-abortion, even if it's just to get
elected with the liberal womans vote, a self
race loather or even a race traitor? Just askin'.

Heather| 3.19.09 @ 8:02PM

Angel...self annointed no doubt.
Oh don't worry about me my dear. From the sounds of all this angst coming from these comments you need to be focusing your pity on your throng right now. Self rightous hypocricy is a heavy cross to bear.

Obama's not the problem | 3.19.09 @ 8:05PM

Look at the state of the world today, the children that are not born are the lucky ones. They dont have to grow up in a hate filled world, where because people are Republicans or Democrats they hate each other.

And when people make decisions for themselves others condem them because they think they know better, when it's obvious they should mind the own business, and be concerned more about their own actions.

There is no law that states you can't have an abortion. There are so many people shot dead everyday a society that lives by murdering one another. They are happy to send out killers to massacre children in far flung places, I don't know what the fuss is about the main thing is if you don't like abortion make sure you never get into that situation and butt out of the lives of other people.

Obama says you have the right to choose, but you don't have to use it. be responsible for your own life, and leave others alone.

Starry Night| 3.19.09 @ 8:08PM

You are right, Common sensei. The black community supports its own genocide. Black infants are aborted in far greater numbers (by percentage) than Latinos and Whites. Terribly sad.

Obama Rules| 3.19.09 @ 8:10PM

Heather, your posts would pack more punch if you could spell words correctly. Low IQ? It shows.

Heather| 3.19.09 @ 8:11PM

JHarp| 3.19.09 @ 7:48PM
A helpful hint, Heather: Put the 'special brownie' down and pick up an English book. Your spelling could use a little work.

Dirn... JHarp you are so correct. It's that Alabamy public schoolin' coming back to haunt me.

Can't win, they don't like those snooty Harvard edumacated types neether :)

Facts| 3.19.09 @ 8:11PM

Most of these people on here are RELIGIOUS NUT CASES. Used by the Republican party to get elected.

Abortion is used by both Blacks as well as white or who ever else Chinese. I have read the Sanger womans story but was she not just another white murdering bastard.

Heather| 3.19.09 @ 8:15PM

Black women abort their babies more than any other race. Why is this racism tolerated?

stmichrick| 3.19.09 @ 9:00PM

Mr 'Facts;'

Why don't you address the life issue and deal with the origins of the pro-abortion movement instead of finding another stick to whack whitey?

Are all religious people 'nut cases?' Are opinions of religious people worthy of discussion?

Democrats don't use religious people (i.e. Reverend Wright, Reverend Jackson, Reverend Sharpton , Reverend Farrakhan)?

Larry Vote| 3.19.09 @ 9:20PM

Infants born alive and killed are not being protected. Read about Stancey Williams in Hialea Florida. How come the Miami Herals and the rest of the media are ignoring this when the Floridas GOP is calling for a prosecution?

Daphne| 3.19.09 @ 9:34PM

Because liberals believe the only good baby is a dead baby, Larry. They are the party of death, after all.

John II| 3.19.09 @ 10:13PM

Obama Rules (if you're still awake). I just got back from a few hours of picking weeds and planting pansies outside. What are you going after Jenni and Heather for? Well--okay, I suppose you're being ironic with the Jenni post, but the Heather post has a real edge. I'm not sure how to respond. Here--take your pick.

1. OR! What are you messing with one of the sisters for? Knock it off with the IQ gig!

2. Dear OR: I was surprised by your attack on the good person of Heather. Let's try to show a little Christian charity in the future.

3. Listen, Creep. One more crack about low IQs and I'm gonna send my four-year-old granddaughter to put your lights out! I hope your daughter grows up to be a conservative and kicks your ass!

So take your pick. The discussion is getting a little tired.

kenworth| 3.19.09 @ 10:43PM

Even Justice Ginsburg admits that Roe was wrongly
decided.We just need to heed Churchill's words,
never give up.For you Obama voters he's the guy
that our shameful president disgraced on his first
day in office.

dennisl59| 3.19.09 @ 11:51PM

Election Results: 53% vs 46%, 66,882,230 vs 58,343,671. Difference=8,538,559. So Citizens, these 8,538,559 are Americans that are: 1) Morons, 2) Idiots, 3) Fools, 4) Delusional,5) Uneducated, 6) Suckers, 7) Dead, 8) Illegal, you get the idea. So all the quotes from the Bible and whatever else you may can't change that fact. His HHS Secretary was nominated and confirmed by the U.S.Senate. These are YOUR elected officials. So, what you are going to do about it? As for me, I can only hope when the Aliens invade, and need food to feed their dying civilization that those 8,538,559 Americans are the first to go. In my opinion. Thank You.

Heather| 3.20.09 @ 12:12AM

Let's offer up the elected liberal officials first! Gore would feed a bunch of aliens for a month--just by himself!

me| 3.20.09 @ 1:30AM

Marc McYoung...I came from a very dysfunctional family. My parents were alcoholics and smokers and abusers. I have 3 sisters also.
I decided very young that I would not be like my parents. That I would be the opposite. I do not drink alcohol. I do not swear. I do not smoke. I do not abuse others. And..I was a police officer for 10 years.

I came from a dysfunctional family Marc...yet I turned out ok! So there goes your theory...down the toilet.

WE are all individuals with the brains to make something of ourselves ...no matter how we were brought up! Take charge of your own life and quit the blame game!

By the way...I know a malignant narcissist when I see one. They could care about no one. They even self loathe. The control. They manipulate. They have to have their narcissistic supply.. ..who is... anyone who will pander to the narcissist ...anyone who will adore the narcissist...and that is why Obama does not care for others, does not even care if what he does is wrong... he cannot be wrong...it is always someone else's fault.... Do you notice he cannot stay in DC? He has to be out burning all that fuel that causes a ...watch out..carbon foot print...to be around people that adore him. He cannot stay sane without his narcissistic supply. No..I am not a doctor..but I put one through medical school...and lived with him for 16 years...and he is a malignant narcissist...so I have lived it. I finally got smart. And now I feel like I am living with one again! This makes me so sick! We all need to band together and DO something about this evil and sick man and his cronies.

Susan| 3.20.09 @ 1:36AM

335,000 people have signed a petition demanding Obama release documentation to verify that he is eligible to be POTUS. I believe that he is not. Make your own decisions but if you agree that he has "alot of 'splaying to do", sign the petion at WorldNetDaily(wnd.com), spread the word. Barry Sotero/Barrack Hussein, whatever, he needs TO GO. Then, we should not REELECT ANYONE to the Senate; each state, upon new terms, vote ANYBODY who isnt sitting in D.C.

John II| 3.20.09 @ 2:01AM

Actually, I'd just be interested in knowing something about his academic record at Columbia. Why isn't there a stink about the way the Obama machine keeps a lid on so many aspects of his vague personal history? What kinds of courses did he take? What kind of jackasses did he have for teachers? What kind of grades did he get? Can we see a sampling of the term papers and essays he wrote, if any?

And what kind of a culture turns so vague a presence into an icon? In his autobiography, G.K. Chesterton (whom Obama claims to have read--perhaps his most underrated deception) remarks famously that when men stop believing in God, they'll believe anything. I think we may be witnessing a hugely consequential instance of Chesterton's warning against idol-worship.

Steven H| 3.20.09 @ 2:40AM

What a superbly written, well-reasoned, heartfelt piece. Thank you Mr Hillyer. If only all discussions of abortion could be this sensitive and honest.

Heather| 3.20.09 @ 2:47AM

Jefferson said that 'the people get the government they deserve'. We are the problem--just read some of the cruel pro-abortion remarks on this thread. So much hatred for tiny babies. What else is there to say? An incompetent puke like Obama fits the bill.

Roy| 3.20.09 @ 4:31AM

Roflmao @ interloper - when all else fails, whip out the race card. Pathetic.

I really think the "ensoulment" thing is basically a distraction. It has nothing to do with the issue. Lots of atheists believe themselves to have some type of moral right to life, even though, presumably, they believe that they STILL haven't been "ensouled".

No, the baby can't feel fear or hope, any more than he can after being born. Not relevant - logically speaking - either.

The point of birth is, blatantly, the point at which a weaker individual ceases to be an inescapable inconvenience to a more powerful individual - and that is IT. That more powerful individual is indeed often a sympathetic figure, but granting arbitrary power to inflict death to those we sympathize with is tyranny. I'm hoping there will be more support, not less, for crisis pregnancies once it is grasped that massacring the baby is not a solution.

I am pessimistic enough to think abortion won't end until pregnancy does - that is when technology improves to the point where most babies are born in artificial wombs, and most women are sterilized. I realize that is not a prospect most people find attractive at first blush but I can't imagine that's not where we'll be in a couple hundred years, if not sooner.

andrew| 3.20.09 @ 5:55AM

Mr. Hillyer--the bible at psalm 139:16 says that god even knew the "embryo" of us. i think if god knows that embryo is "us" i think we have already been "ensouled"--loved your article

Jeanette O'Toole| 3.20.09 @ 6:46AM

Abortion is truly the brainchild of Satan. The woman, possibly feeling relief from "terminating" this "condition" she did not desire to be in in the first place, will down the road surely feel remorse as she figures out that, as a mother, she was indeed an accomplice to her own child's murder. Her breathtaking shame over this revelation can completely silence her (for sometimes even decades) as meanwhile, the devil gives himself a huge pat on the back. For Satan knows their unborn babes in heaven cannot tell others about the pain and horror of abortion, and, with their
mothers now silenced too, the circle of torture and death not only continues, but expands. God forgives mothers who abort! I know He has forgiven me.

I miss my child always. Mary Elizabeth (my name for her) left this world 31 years ago, and though the putrid sting of abortion and the missing of my child never goes away, her prayers are a source of great strength. My daughter in heaven recently told me, "Remember, mom, to tell them that their children miss them too!"

Well, Mary Elizabeth, you got your wish ... and a whole lot more mothers to now pray for!

Thank you, Mr. Hillyer, for this extraordinary article. Keep writing the good fight.

Ward Dorrity| 3.20.09 @ 9:10AM

When you examine the pedigree of liberal/leftist ideas, what you come to understand is that the abortion issue is one of the keystones to devaluing human life. This is something that is implicit in the ideology of the Left; it's cast into their philosophical DNA. Underneath their concern for humanity in the abstract lies an overwhelming hatred and contempt for people in particular.

Humans are things.

That the essence of it. Humans are fungible and ultimately disposable "assets". To Obama and his ilk, we are meat animals to be harvested by the slice.

This is why you've got the likes of Margaret Sanger and Dr. Peter Singer doing their damnedest to move the goalposts when it comes to defining life and humanity. Singer, for example, has argued that infants up to 28 months old don't really have sufficient cognitive ability that defines them as human. So it's OK to 'terminate' them if the parent (or really, the State) so chooses. And ultimately, in liberal dreams, it’s the State who decides the definition of ‘sufficient’.

Who lives, who dies. That's the power they seek. They are all monsters, monsters from the deepest dark heart of of our existence and history is replete with the outcomes and the evidence of their sick Utopian ideas: slaughter, mass murder and atrocity on a scale that beggars the imagination.

History also tells us what we must do to deal with them.

Pride before a FALL| 3.20.09 @ 9:55AM

Why does these do gooders think they have earned the right to speak for black people all of a sudden?. It's odd for a people that live in the sickest society on earth are now taking the moral high ground, don't make me laugh.

Because these Christian fundamentalist go out on a Sunday to promote some guy willing to take their money buy a private Jet, and live in a mansion, and extort money from these vonerable life form on the planet they think they are good.

There has never been anything good about these parasites or their supporters.

What are they about is what needs to be looked into, Black peoople breed so they han have more black troops to send out to die in Iraq and Iran without sending white men and women to die to prop up their fake economy. This is so they can feel safe, who is keeping the Iraqi children safe, ot the ones in Palestine, or the ones in Africa, od Syria, or South America.

You want to breed people to die in violence, breed your selves, and stop having sex with your DOGS.

Starry Night| 3.20.09 @ 11:24AM

If the black community won't speak up for their own babies--someone has to. Your despair is deadly for the pre-born. Abortion violence begets more violence. When will you ever learn?

Starry Night| 3.20.09 @ 11:26AM

How have you earned the right to kill millions of black babies? I stand for life--all life. You stand for the death of the innocent. God forgive you.

We are the Masters of Murder| 3.20.09 @ 11:57AM

Stary night.
Go and play on your harp, free to live and free to die. Invasion Iraqi freedon to die from an American bullet or a bomb free to be crippled for life, free to have American puppets create poverty and starvation till you die.

Life on whose terms, I say bring in the draph, so each American is free to die in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Africa, South America, Russia, Pakistan, India. Freedom to die worldwide. Bring it on. Freedon to die at home killing one another over loaves of bread, it's coming, bring it on, to die in the gas chambers, bring it on to be aborted. Americans we love nothing but death, we kill others around the world and we kill each other at home, we kill babies and adults alike, so what?. We are the number one killers on earth, what is you or your god going to do about it.

bob| 3.20.09 @ 12:01PM

We do not know, nor will we probably ever know, when a human being becomes ensouled."

VERY good point. not to mention that we have yet to figure out how santa
claus can make it around the entire planet in just one night, and where the
easter bunny gets all those chocolate eggs.

bob| 3.20.09 @ 12:04PM

most of the comments from you delusional fairy-tale believing swine make a very strong PRO-abortion case. the world would be a better place if all of you had been aborted a long time ago.

God| 3.20.09 @ 12:14PM

Humans are never "ensouled". Ironically, you are preventing the research necessary to save lives.

Oldefarte| 3.20.09 @ 12:41PM

John II: Obviously failing to fully/adequately explain my thoughts on an alternative to CHOICE or LIFE, let me try again. Once pre-teen's have received sexual education, they could/should be then be held accountable by the law/government[again assuming laws dictating proper policy concerning pregnancies] for unprepared/unplanned [psychological/financial inadequate to become parents] pregnancies. China, etc have population control laws [a one or two child limit per couple, I believe] that are strictly enforced; and this country COULD do similar/likewise---the two individuals responsible for an unprepared pregnancy could be jailed and the government could take custody [and adopt out] the resultant child; along with confiscation of any of their available monetary assets needed to financially fund the child's needs in connection therewith. The combination of sexual education, and the threat of punishment for disobeying laws dictating proper/prepared pregnancies, COULD, over time, result in the substantial reduction/elimination of unplanned/unprepared for pregnancies. Most importantly, children would become the beneficiaries of such an approach. The downside would be the enhancement of governmental control, but in our deomcratic/free society, ignorant/selfish people sometimes make choices that are detrimental to the innocent, unprotected offspring. Again, no sane individual prefers abortion, and CHOICE does not always result in adoption and benefit to the resultant child.

Quin| 3.20.09 @ 1:08PM

An answer to Interloper, before I have his comment taken down. Saying that I am "linked" to David Duke is like saying Elliot Ness was "linked" to the mob. For the record, I was a founding board member of the Lousiana Coalition Against Racism and Nazism, formed explicitly to work AGAINST the political rise of David Duke. And as a journalist, I broke stories proving Duke's continuing ties to neo-Nazi organizations and ideology, and exposed his lies and racism and Nazism at every turn. Virtually every leader in the anti-Duke movement in Louisiana will say that I was one of the most active among their number. My anti-Duke work has been cited in several public books about his three years of being a real political player. My work against him is one of the proudest episodes (if three full years can be called an "episode") in my career.
How dare, you Interloper, libel me in the fashion you did?

Liberty or Death| 3.20.09 @ 2:16PM

I am amazed at all of the naiveté on display from the liberals .

READ-- Directly from the Nov. 28,2008 CDC, Abortion Surveillance Abstract (2005 data), link:

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss5713a1.htm

"In the 38 reporting areas for which race was provided, classified according to the same categories used in previous years, approximately 53% of women who obtained legal induced abortions were known to be white; 35%, black; and 8% other; for 4%, race was not known (Table 9). The abortion ratio for black women (467 per 1,000 live births) was 2.9 times the ratio for white women (158 per 1,000), and the ratio for women of the heterogeneous "other" race category (319 per 1,000) was 2.0 times the ratio for white women. The abortion rate for black women (28 per 1,000 women) was 3.1 times the rate for white women (nine per 1,000), whereas the abortion rate for women of other races (18 per 1,000 women) was 2.0 times the rate for white women."

Let me translate. There are more white women (collectively in the population), therefore there are more white abortions, than any other race. However, according to population, there is a larger ratio of black abortions to white (3 times more, in fact).

Therefore, it is not some, "right-wing, racist remark," to state the obvious statistical fact that more abortions are happening in the black community. If you do not believe what is written here take it up with the Centers For Disease Control.

For all of you religious haters out there, who have somehow made the leap between abortion and U.S. foreign policy, the two are mutually exclusive from each other. Wars happen. Peace has never been achieved through talk and diplomacy. If you are skeptical about that, just take a look at history. I am not a war monger, but when the rubber hits the road you better believe I support our actions to defend this nation. I believe in the Iraq and Afghanistan cause. Most Iraqi's and Afghani's believe in the cause. So how BIG is that stick up you butt that you cannot see the reality of what we are facing out there???

Americans have provided more support, than all of the nations put together. We give of our time and money very generously. We do not deserve a lecture from a bunch of half-witted troglodytes like you about Americans murdering around the world! If you don't think we are doing enough, then pick up your check book and write one of a thousand organizations a donation.

Don't blame Christianity for your hatred of God.

That is between you

and

Him.

Liberty or Death| 3.20.09 @ 2:26PM

Don't sweat it Quin. You are doing a great job. Don't give credence to the hate-filled, blowhards commenting on your story.

They do not know the truth, because they choose to stick their heads in the proverbial "sand," like an ostrich.

Your words are the truth in that story. And truth to a brood of liars often stings.

Grandma Myrtle| 3.20.09 @ 2:39PM

Ward Dorrity| 3.20.09 @ 9:10AM
When you examine the pedigree of liberal/leftist ideas, what you come to understand is that the abortion issue is one of the keystones to devaluing human life. This is something that is implicit in the ideology of the Left; it's cast into their philosophical DNA. Underneath their concern for humanity in the abstract lies an overwhelming hatred and contempt for people in particular.

BULL SH*#!

The so called Moral RIGHT were the ones chanting "Kill him, Kill him, Kill him (referring of course to Obama) at Palin and McCain rallies.

Please explain the differnce between your anti-abortion stance and pro-murder rants to me you bunch of delusional hypocrites?

(A valid question from a women who adopted and raised 6 wonderful children who were abandoned by their birth mother...Fyi.)

Liberty or Death| 3.20.09 @ 2:44PM

And let me further add to the CDC statistic. Whatever the facts are on race and abortion, the cumulative statistics bear out a sad story. Black, white, or red and green striped, it shouldn't matter. Abortion is a national blood stain. All of us should be banding together to stop this wholesale murder.

A life is a life. There is no greater than in God's eyes.

Oldefarte| 3.20.09 @ 3:13PM

I was infuriated reading Interloper's accusations associating Quin Hllyer with David Duke. I initially became aquainted with [and appreciative of] Quin's editorial writings when he was affiliated with the Mobile Register, and have been admiringly reading his words/thoughts since. The idea that he could have ever been associated in thought, word or deed with the candidacy of David Duke, is ludicrous and/or insane. As a fellow former resident of Louisiana during Duke's political career, and also a lifelong Republican voter, the one and only time I ever voted for a Democrat was for Duke's opponent, Edwin Edwards. I do not think that I was alone, since most Louisiana voters of whatever political persuasion also voted to save the state from possibly electing Duke. No doubt, Interloper used the few brain cells at his disposal to attempt a state based gotcha guilt-by-association. As the NAACP once proclaimed, A MIND IS A TERRIBLE THING TO WASTE!!!!!!!!!

Starry Night| 3.20.09 @ 3:21PM

Libtard trolls: Interloper, bob, Obama Rules, JHarp, Jeremiah, S.L. Toddard and Heather just post here because they are full of self-hatred and rage. Why else would they champion the killing of millions of innocents? Don't let them upset you--God's goodness will triumph over their evil. Peace.

Daphne| 3.20.09 @ 3:27PM

Mrytle, Mrytle, Mrytle--didn't your momma teach you not to lie? Missed that lesson, huh? The Secret Service investigated your old worn-out, false accusations and stated that it never happened. Please, at least come up with a new slander. Shame on you for defending the killings of millions of babies. Shame.

Jean| 3.20.09 @ 3:42PM

Libtards scream racism to hide the fact that the truth hurts. Yes, more black babies are aborted than other races--by percentage of population. I don't know if you lib posters are stupid or cunning--but your outrage at the truth is sadly telling. You are the true racists.

Grandma Myrtle| 3.20.09 @ 3:50PM

Daphne| 3.20.09 @ 3:27PM
Mrytle, Mrytle, Mrytle--didn't your momma teach you not to lie? Missed that lesson, huh? The Secret Service investigated your old worn-out, false accusations and stated that it never happened. Please, at least come up with a new slander. Shame on you for defending the killings of millions of babies. Shame.

Nice try to avoid the question Daffee /

But explain your definition of the Sanctity of Life and at what moment in time does it go from NOT OK to kill to OK to kill?. Know for sure that some of the above posters were certainly chanting this tune on this blog and at the rallies.

Again, please explain the differnce between your anti-abortion stance and pro-murder rants.

Would love to hear it. Sorry I'm the same age and IQ as McCain so that is the reason in repeating the question.

Angel| 3.20.09 @ 3:55PM

The Big Boys on Wall Street, including the CEOs of Big Business and Hedge Funders are liberals--and like the disgraced thief, Madoff--they voted for Obama. These people give huge amounts of money to Planned Parenthood. PP opens up abortuaries in mostly poor minority neighborhoods. Don't you see what these evil elitist liberal men are doing? They are using their ill-gotten wealth to destroy minority babies; especially black babies. This is the dirty little liberal secret--wealthy liberal elites actively fund the racist pro-death operations of Planned Parenthood. Think about it. I stand for the sanctity of life--all life. I must.

Daphne| 3.20.09 @ 3:57PM

Granny, I don't respond to liars' lies. You have to live with your murderous actions--I don't. Thank God.

Michael| 3.20.09 @ 4:34PM

May heartbreak turn into an earthquake and change the face of the earth.

Unite or Die!

Quin| 3.20.09 @ 4:44PM

I thank Oldefarte for his kind words. I also thank him for holding his nose, as I did, to vote for the awful Edwin Edwards in order to save Louisiana from the neo-Nazi David Duke. People who weren't there at the time have a hard time understanding just how much of a threat Duke was, or why he was so popular. He was a master manipulator of the TV screen, and it took a lot of work to get people to understand the facts that contradicted the rather suave persona he adopted on TV. Oldefarte, as a good citizen, examined the facts. Bless him for it.

Char| 3.20.09 @ 6:09PM

I wish that Barack Hussein Obama - who was the only one who voted FOR PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION - would answer the question: "Were Sasha and Malia your daughters when they were living in your wife's womb??

choice and accountability| 3.20.09 @ 6:10PM

How about this for a radical plan? Abstinence (that means exercising self-control) before marriage. Followed by actual, thoughtful marriage (between a man and woman). Maintained by trust and monogamy, and THEN followed by children. Think it can't be done? Do we believe in accountability, or don't we? And by all means, let's make adoption less expensive for couples who want to adopt, and can't afford the thousands of dollars in fees. Let's value motherhood, fatherhood, and parenthood. Let's value abstinence and fidelity. Let's value self-discipline and responsibility. Let's model those values, instead of saying, "Do as I say, not as I do." Because, "What you do speaks so loudly, I can't hear what you say."

Heather| 3.20.09 @ 6:55PM

Obumbler is a monster, you moron. He supports infanticide. Shut up and go back under you rock, a$$hole.

John| 3.20.09 @ 7:02PM

The fifth commandment states:” Thou shall not kill". This must be the guiding principle in relation to abortion. To destroy unborn life in the womb is to directly attack a life, which God has created. We hear much about a woman’s right to choose. No woman has a right to destroy an innocent life.
How can EVIL be accepted as a right? It is time to consider Gods wishes.

Merlin| 3.20.09 @ 8:28PM

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Got the wrong person| 3.20.09 @ 8:50PM

Granma Myrtle.

It seems some one has made an error, it seems you don't have a right to your opinion either you must be too liberal.

Got the wrong person| 3.20.09 @ 8:57PM

Granma Myrtle.

You are so right my sweet, I heard the same thing the Palin and McCain Camp, shouting Kill him, Kill him. My dear these people are the most evil bits of trash, on the planet.

I also remember when they Killed Black people for simply being black and they still do it to this day. Only last week the white police shot a poor Black man 70 years old having a BBQ for his family. I don't mean to tar all Americans with the same brush, but I don't know how anyone can live in a country like that.

And these people think they have a right to murder people, and then complain about abortion. If you can understand it god for you but they make me sick these hypocrites.

Morons SEEK HELP| 3.20.09 @ 9:05PM

A secret is a secret, who does things in secret remains in secret. Some one thinks they are important to have connections with secret service on this page. Morons please. Americans are known world wide as the biggest fools on the planet.

Granny Myrtle/Daphne| 3.20.09 @ 9:09PM

Crazy lying liberal trolls. They have no argument and they are stupid, so they resort to vicious lies. We are winning the argument because we have truth on our side. We must remain strong against the satanic assault of the liberal, leftist party of death. We will prevail , just like the party of Lincoln prevailed over the cruelty of slavery. We ended slavery and we will end abortion. Liberal democrats will be thrown on the ash heap of history.

Morons SEEK HELP| 3.20.09 @ 9:12PM

I am crazy; excuse me while I strap on my bomb vest. I want to abort myself. Pray that it works this time.

WE are the masters of murders| 3.20.09 @ 9:49PM

Stary Night.

Do your self a favour, go out find a guy have some good sex, stop the crap most of the people who write on this page are a bunch of frustrated sex starved people, America has more WHORE houses than any other country on earth we are the number one Ass lickers in the world most men cant even get a hard on and has to rely on VIAGRA, most women have to rely on their dogs to lick them out. Then they come on here giving it large. I am an adult, I don't buy the Bull, we shoot people we gass people, we give out lethal injections, we kill Blacks because we hate them. We became a super power out of slave labour, so what is the problem now, you can still have sex with Black men. If you are worried that Black men are getting Black women pregnant and dont want the children you can volunteer, to give birth.

We are undoubtedly the most evil nation on earth no matter how holy you pretend to be. We kill Women children, disabled, we kill all races around the globe some of us end up shooting each other, we go to war, we come back mentally ill from the slaughter of human lives who the hell do you think you are, have you ever seen the body parts. Have you ever suffered the night mares, people having abortion it's their choice I wish them well, living in a world with a bunch of dun fuckers like you lot on this page gives me a reason to go to war. One day Americans will be hated enough that some one will blow us off the planet we are the sickest most evil sickos on the fucking planet.

We Are Masters Of Murders| 3.20.09 @ 10:01PM

Interloper, you are a whore, too. Why don't you abort yourself and do us all a favor? You racist little bastard.

ruth| 3.20.09 @ 10:56PM

The one post on this thread that made me laugh out loud was Quin's response to 'Oldfarte' thanking him for his kind words. Never thought I'd see this word coming from Quin Hillyer, the writer I've admired for years. Amazing.

Pharmer| 3.20.09 @ 11:31PM

From the Guttmacher Institute itself comes some newer abortion statistics. There are overall declining abortion rates, however the minorities continue in disproportionately choosing, or being subjected to , abortion. Blacks are now 5 times as likely and Hispanics 3 times as likely to abort as Whites. Guttmacher Institute, being the research arm of Planned Parenthood, would not be expected to publicly recognize each and every reason for this lack of proportionality. The numbers speak volumes.

Daphne| 3.20.09 @ 11:52PM

It's the ugliest racism of all, and it's done at the behest of the wealthy 'white' liberal elite. Terrible tragedy of lies, and the poor don't even realize that wealthy liberals are their enemies. The newest form of slavery.

GeraSchmidt.com| 3.21.09 @ 12:26AM

The Oblunder Plunder
B E A S T ! ! !

Psalm 35: 8
Let ruin overtake them unawares; let the snare they have set catch them; let them fall into the pit they have dug.

Psalm 52: 3
Why do you glory in evil, you scandalous liar? All day long you plot destruction; your tongue is like a sharpened razor, you skillful deceiver.

Psalm 52: 5, 6
You love evil rather than good, lies rather than honest speech. You love any word that destroys, you deceitful tongue.

Psalm 40: 15
Put to shame and confound all who seek to take my life. Turn back in disgrace those who desire my ruin.

Psalm 53: 5
Will these evildoers never learn? They devour my people as they devour bread; they do not call upon God.

Psalm 28: 4
Repay them for their deeds, for the evil that they do. For the work of their hands repay them;

Psalm 59:14
destroy them in anger, destroy till they are no more. Then people will know God rules over Jacob, yes, even to the ends of the Earth.

Psalm 58: 4, 6
The wicked have been corrupt since birth; liars from the womb, they have gone astray. So as not to hear the voice of the charmer who casts such cunning spells.

Rosie | 3.21.09 @ 8:36AM

Marc McYoung,
All I can say is "bring it on." You think there isn't a line of people waiting and willing to adopt babies? For goodness sake, people are going oversees because adoptions are quicker. I have a neighbor who just finished doing that exact thing -- two beautiful kids from Guatamala.

Do you believe that those of us who are TRULY pro-life are not willing to do exactly what you have stated? I would rather part with my money, time & sleep to raise another child(ren) if it means sparing their life.

I can tell you the the topic of abortion is not above my paygrade...it is wrong for everyone involved! I know what my creator has stated is right and wrong.

Alison| 3.21.09 @ 9:19AM

Just a thought about "ensoulment": Scripture states "the life is in the blood" and an embryo/fetus begins making blood about 2 weeks gestation, it becomes a "fetus" at about 10 weeks when it grows its first bone. This brings embryonic stem cells into the mix with abortion. At what gestational age does growing embryos equal abortion.

RayC55| 3.21.09 @ 10:28AM

If life doesn't beginm at conception why does Planned Parenthood give out condoms? What is going to be born nine month's later a 1948 buick? (pardon's to Peggy Noonan and Rush Limbaugh)

The Pope encouraging desease| 3.21.09 @ 11:40AM

Why don't we comment on the Pope's visit to Africa? This Ass-hole tells Africans not to use condoms just keep spreading HIV AIDS. The idea that because of RELIGIOUS nutters they think it's Ok to keep spreading desease. These mad fuckers are the worlds worse night mare on earth.

M M| 3.21.09 @ 2:23PM

Has anyone stopped to think that if we taught morality instead of license to do as we please in our schools and churches we would not have the problem that we are faced with today? If "birth control" consisted of doing what is right instead of pills that fail many of those aborted babies would never have been conceived. Life can be so beautiful and rewarding if we all will remember that God gave us the ten commandments for a reason--they work!

Amy| 3.21.09 @ 2:52PM

The obvious point that most people miss in discussing this issue involves the morality surrounding the decision. If you aren't a moral person who believes in right and wrong because there is a God who has modeled us in his moral image, then the choice is cloudy. Only Christian morals can be drawn on to come to the proper conclusion and there's no way to argue morals with someone who doesn't believe there is a standard for right and wrong. Only when this nation bases it's laws again on the Biblical truths will we begin to turn in the right direction and be able to use a standard to make laws and decisions. Even a person who isn't a Christian person must surely agree that there has to be some standard or everyone can be correct in their thinking at any given time. We all know that murder is wrong. Why do we know that? Because there is a standard that exists beyond us for truth. We instinctively know because there is a God who writes it in our souls.

MET| 3.21.09 @ 2:55PM

to "The Pope encouraging disease" - please get your facts straight. The Pope does not encourage disease. The Pope encourages responsible sexual behavior! Irresponsible sexual behavior spreads disease - a consequence of said behavior. Not using a condom has nothing to do with religion it is just pure common sense. The likes of you scream loudest about sharing and equal opportunity for everyone, but you are incapable of or unwilling to have the most basic considerations for others. If you did you would not look towards me-first sexual behavior. And finally, it is by your disgusting choice of words that you have just made a complete fool out of yourself. Congratulations, you have achieved exactly NOTHING!
Blessings

KL| 3.21.09 @ 2:59PM

One question on the article: I don't understand why the questions when a body is "ensouled", when a mind develops, and when a person feels pain needs to be addressed before society recognizes we are killing human beings AND that act should be illegal. After all, a corpse cannot feel pain, is brain dead, and presumably has been separated from its soul. However, "abuse of a corpse" is against the law in every state of the union. As far as societal's responsibility for raising children that can't be aborted because the law saves them (as one responder noted). Somehow, we would survive. Abortion has only been legal since the 1970's. Unplanned pregnancies have happened since the beginning of time.

NANCEE| 3.21.09 @ 3:40PM

kent lyon- you said it so -o well-how i should like to hear you debate obama on this topic!!! and jj jr- you can be our attorney general!!marc mac-young[per your prison comments- you generalize too much-having directed a pro- life pregnancy agency for over 5 yrs i never once had a girl say she wished she had aborted-they always cuddled their babies and said -thank god your people helped me-[even those who gave up their babies for adoption- some very loving to give their baby a better chance- guess i should say lovingly [before i get critisized for my spelling!!! john 11-my sister says oregon is getting like 'the netherlands ' in regard to surgery for elderly-after they paid all their life to social security!!! where were all you good caring people at election time-we need more of these great minds to run for office- our city did not have much to choose from!!!

Betty Sullivan| 3.21.09 @ 4:06PM

I have never read this list before. Most of the people were thoughtful and had something worthwhile to say, but too many seem to use foul language and attacks on other writers, rather than talking about the topic.
Nobody mentioned, in all the talk of abortion, that in IL right now, a bill is ready to be brought up similar to the National FOCA bill, only worse, as it states that the person performing an abortion does NOT even have to be a doctor, and that the abortionist can NOT be sued for malpractice.
If such a horrible bill should pass, it no doubt will spread to many other states. I hope everyone pro-life is contacting their legislators, if from IL, to voice opposition to this bill.

Reid| 3.21.09 @ 4:08PM

This is a letter I wrote to the Pres. a few weeks ago on a portion of this subject (I encourage you to flood the administration, congress and your own personal social networks with calls, letters and email in order to spread the truth to counteract the Obama pro-death propaganda - believe me, they sure are flooding the internet and inboxes with the their lies):

March 2, 2009

President Barak Obama
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear President Obama,

I understand you are considering rescinding the rule that protects health workers who refuse to participate in abortions and other medical procedures that go against their moral and religious beliefs.

ARE YOU KIDDING ME!

For someone who claimed that knowing when life begins is "...beyond [your] pay grade (your quote, at the pre-election debate at Saddleback Church)," you sure seem bent on forcing the hand of those
who do know.

In fact, since you claim not to know, you'd think you'd "err" on the side of caution and giving new life the benefit of the doubt instead of encouraging it's termination.

It is morally wrong for the federal government to force a doctor, nurse or other health care professional to participate in abortion - which stops an innocent heartbeat forever. I urge you NOT to rescind the "conscience rule."

Sincerely,
[name attached to the letter]

Michele Cook| 3.21.09 @ 4:41PM

Awesome, well written article. I commend you for your well thought out words including your empathy for what a scared, pregnant woman must be going through. My problem also is with the procedure and the law, not the woman.

Jean Chappel| 3.21.09 @ 5:04PM

Dear Quinn, All the little babies who have been murdered cry out to God as Abel's blood cried out to God from the ground. Everyone who voted so neglectfully and willfully for this man and who supports abortions has blood on his or her hands. I pray every day for their salvation for the very essence of our country who so many Godly men died to form. May God forgive us.

ruth| 3.21.09 @ 5:27PM

I want to be rich and I want lots of money
I don’t care about clever I don’t care about funny
I want loads of clothes and loads of diamonds
I heard people died while they are trying to find them.

I’ll take my clothes off and it will be shameless
‘Cuz everyone knows that’s how you get famous
I’ll look at the sun and I’ll look in the mirror
I’m on the right track yeah I’m on to a winner

Life’s about film stars and less about mothers
It’s all about fast cars and passing each other
But it doesn’t matter cause I’m packing plastic

And I am a weapon of massive consumption
And its not my fault it’s how I’m programed to function
I’ll look at the sun and I’ll look in the mirror
I’m on the right track yeah I’m on to a winner

Forget about guns and forget ammunition
‘Cuz I’m killing them all on my own little mission
Now I’m not a saint but I’m not a sinner
Now everything’s cool s long as I’m getting thinner

I don’t know what’s right and what’s real anymore
I don’t know how I’m meant to feel anyoer
When we think it will all become clear
‘Cause I’m being taken over by fear
I’m being taken over by The Fear.

nancee| 3.21.09 @ 5:44PM

michele cook-are you deliberately distorting what Reid said??or don't you understand what he said??you are tryiny to make it look like he cares more about the procedure than the woman-that is not his point-many states are currently trying to rush through laws that force medical personnel and pharmacists to participate in the procedure or lose their jobs-[ in tucson a young doctor committed suicide after he was forced to do an an abortion in order to get his degree[the u of arizona has dropprd the hippocratic oath- it protects human life-] thats the med school,by the way- in many states if you participate in any way you are as guilty as the one pulling the trigger- this is what is dangerous and unaccetale to most people who respect human life!! comprehendo???oh-,that should be unacceptable for all you good spellers-

simone| 3.21.09 @ 6:04PM

Commonsensei/
Slavery resulted when people removed the human factor in order to build the economic factor. Abortion is the same. Remove the dollar factor and see how many doctors will perform abortions. And please people, don't tell me Planned Parenthood performs abortions for free. They don't. Just ask the nurses and doctors if they receive a salary. They do.
Margaret Sanger's argument was not about abortion, it was about women's rights and she used birth control as the vehicle to promote her agenda.
When people, like Obama, say they don't know when life begins, they are lying. Life begins at conception as someone commented earlier. That's science. To argue when that life is a person is a ruse and an excuse to absolve one of their moral responsibility to make sure that life is cared for-whether through parenting or adoption.
The prison warden was right-many unwanted children grow up to populate the prisons. But is that a reason to kill them before they have an opportunity to maybe not grow up to become a criminal? Do we really have the right to predestinate that child?
But, all this aside, does anyone (government) have the right to force me to pay for that which I believe is immoral, unethical, and evil?
No.
No to abortion.
No to using my tax dollars to pay for abortions.

elgeehjr| 3.21.09 @ 6:48PM

Profanity is nothing more than counterfeit currency for a bankrupt mind. Isn't it a shame that there are so many folks that cannot hold a discussion without using profanity or calling names??

vomiting in oregon| 3.21.09 @ 6:49PM

I am sure God allowed this half human creature to be elected because usa is rejecting God in every way possible. I hope welfare america and other Godless liberals are proud of their "president". This entire administration and liberal congress is a debacle and "they have eyes and cannot see, and ears yet cannot perceive" . Trying to reason with DC is like casting one's pearls before swine.

NANCEE| 3.21.09 @ 7:23PM

REID-IN REGARD TO YOUR REMARKS ABOUT "THE CONSCIENCE RULE- I HAVE COME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT NOT EVERY ONE HAS A CONSCIENCE-THAT MAY BE WHY WE ARE SO DIVIDED ON SOME ISSUES OR AT LEAST NOT MUCH OF ONE-

Gregory Kascewicz| 3.21.09 @ 8:19PM

Your commentary is about as good as it gets. Babies are the children of their mothers not the property of their mothers. The only thing I might add to your discussion is to point out to those that agree with us to call, write, email, blog, send smoke signals early and often to every legislature

Mary Hampton| 3.21.09 @ 9:48PM

"But we can and should use appropriate sanctions to forbid doctors from taking payment for using their forceps and knives to take all choices away from the innocent human life whose voice not even Horton can hear"

God hears them. God sees them. God loves them. God hates fetus adoleo.

I've heard it said that it doesn't matter when life starts, we know when it ends.

Worth repeating, "We must remember that with our rights and our choices come responsibilities, and we can't take someone else's rights away to avoid our responsibilities."

NANCEE| 3.21.09 @ 9:59PM

THAT WAS GOOD,MARY- DR. VIKTOR FRANKL-SURVIVER OF THE HOLACOUST[SP?] IN GERMANY SAID-"AMERICA HAS A STATUE OF LIBERTY ON THE EAST COUST- NOW IT NEEDS A STATUE OF RESPONSIBILITY ON THE WES COAST- HOW TRUE!!!!

Simone| 3.21.09 @ 10:02PM

People please, stop saying ugly things about people while claiming to speak for God.
I didn't vote for Obama-and will never vote for a pro-abortion candidate-but that doesn't mean Obama is half human or that he is anything less than a man with a different political view.
Irrational people casting ugly and profane comments are the reason non-believers think we are all fanatical ignoramus's.

Broken Hearted| 3.21.09 @ 11:14PM

Irony. I have tried to steer my children right. They get caught in the lies of the enemy of their souls and we suffer from their mistakes. Convenience says don't let yourself suffer from their mistakes. The giver of life says will you help me care for mine? I told my husband I want to get the bigger house so when the kids aren't here we can take in young mothers with unwanted pregnancies. My own daughter gets pregnant for the second time out of wedlock and gets an abortion. Our nation is under attack from within. Hollywood has shaped the thinking of our society to go for the pleasures of life without taking responsibility for our actions. I love my grandson. I will always miss the one I've had taken from me. I tried to steer her away from that choice as I made the same one when I was 17.
As for Obama. He is a pawn in a war he doesn't understand. The prophetic word about him is that he will enter the White House an unbeliever, but he will come out believing. Let's do our job and pray for him. We let God down when Clinton was in office. Let's not do the same with Obama. We are to pray for our elected officials that we may live in peace. Pray his eyes be opened by God's good grace, not damn his soul as we all deserved.

em| 3.21.09 @ 11:59PM

Abortion is wrong and deep down inside we all know it. Why can't we say it? Don't think of it as political, or religious, or a subject for competition of words or opinions or name calling. Just common sense tells you that abortion is wrong. I can't understand why we don't admit it and say outloud that it is wrong-just listening to the mothers that aborted is enough.

Mary Ann| 3.22.09 @ 1:04AM

How can anyone in their right mind justify the ripping apart of an innocent human life, limb from limb; one who is created in the image and likeness of God. Abortion is "murder"! The Ten Commandments clearly states,'THOU SHALL NOT KILL!" There were no special clauses in that statement and certainly no "IF, AND'S OR BUTS.' Do you honestly think you have the right to play God? Who gave you the right to decide who lives or die? If I am not mistaken that right belongs to God and God alone. This president is playing with fire and will surely be burnt, if he decides to pass the Freedom Of Choice Act. Life is "sacred" and abortion is an immoral injustice! I pray that he and all the pro-choicers will have a revelation before it is too late. May God have mercy on America and spare the lives of all babies who are in danger of abortion!

Starry starry night| 3.22.09 @ 1:35AM

Broken Hearted, em and Mary Ann; I wanted to write you three ladies a quick note to tell you I think you're terrific. I don't feel so alone when I realize there are others who feel like I do. God bless you, you are my sisters.

m. vega| 3.22.09 @ 2:18PM

Great article; it is about time we stand against the
death culture, which is causing the collapse of this,
at one time, a great nation and taking along the
entire universe. Very sad indeed.

Crimes against humanity by USA| 3.22.09 @ 2:27PM

Mary Ann Americans has been ripping apart human lives for the last 60 years. The Vietnam war for one when Americans napalmed the people of that country what do you think they were doing making love?

When America gave Saddam, Sarin and Mustard gas to kill the people of Iran, what do you thing was going on.

You think because you live in America every one else is as stupid, as you WMD, to kill the people of Iraq, the WMD supplied to Israel to kill the people in the Concentration camps of Gaza, and the West Bank. No in your eyes they are not people too.

When Henry Kissenger bombed Cambodia, though they were not at war with America, Kissenger won the Nobel Peace Prise, Kissenger also a member of the Rockerfella Foundation, who has engeneered a policy to depopulate the world, and also was co-founder of the AIDS Virus to kill and wipe out the Black Race, in Africa, but forget to recogonize that all people originated in Africa and we are all a member of the human family.

L Flower| 3.22.09 @ 7:56PM

For Quin, Thank You, and God Bless You for having the guts to write about this horrible situation Obama is creating for innocent babies, and the morals of every caring person. Personally, I think Obama might be the Anti-Christ, you know its said that that man will be looked at as a savior, but ultimately he will bring more evil upon this earth than anyone has ever seen. We need to open the eyes of America, and the world, before we all rot in HELL!!! Abortion: what part of the Ten Commandments don't people understand? Thou shalt not KILL!!! Also people need to vote NO to The Freedom of Choice Act, like Quin said Religious hospitals will be forced to kill babies, or get sued, children would not have to tell their parents if they need an abortion, they would openly perform partial birth abortions, (where the baby is almost full term, they pull the babies legs out of the womb, and leave the head inside the mother, and do the cruellest thing imaginable!!!) Please help us write to your Senators, Obama, and anyone.

Starry| 3.22.09 @ 8:06PM

Obama Rules, JHarp, Interloper, Jeremiah, Heather, Jenny and another whack-job who uses caps all approve of the partial birth abortion procedure outlined by L Flower. Only monsters would support this terrible procedure. God bless all preborn babies.

magpie| 3.22.09 @ 9:55PM

Hey Crimes Against Humanity: You forgot to mention that Kissinger was also behind the phoney moon trips. He also is one of the many pilots of the black helicopters. In addition to the AIDS Virus, I think he co-engineered the congenital warts virus, but more evidence is needed. And what about Bush. He lied and prople died while going to war for oil. But one thing, didn't all people come out of Antartica? We need more smart people like you.

Mike Eckhardt| 3.22.09 @ 11:01PM

Excellent article. Obama is indeed a monsterous, deceitful liar and of his father the liar. Satan comes to kill, steal and destroy. Obama comes to kill the unborn, steal from this and future generations, and destroy traditional American values and our way of life. He is the the very description that Jesus gave of Satan. I did not vote for this evil, deceitful fraud, and I can not believe he was elected. I am praying God will open the eyes of people in this country to call for his removal soon. God is still in control, and we need to pray earnestly for repentance and revival in this nation, so God can heal us and remove the wickness in high places.

Joseph McCoy| 3.23.09 @ 2:08AM

Obama may not seem Bad on the surface but his vanity as well as pride is out of control and is evident in his interviews and how he responds to praise with a somewhat wicked laugh. That is one of the worst sins. Avarice and Pride. That is what bound Satan into Hell.

Watch him on past interviews and you may see what I'm talking about. That is no sign of Virtue. How Ironic that on his recent appearance on Jay Leno he made fun of the Special Olympics. Why wouldn't he marginalize them? He accepts the murder of Innocent life, so we shouldn't be surprised at his snide remarks that are on the spot and not rehearsed innocently challenged Human Beings.

He is in a position making Very Important ethical and moral decisions when he doesn't seem to have a strong moral or ethical foundation to stand on. That is what really makes me worry and wonder how far he will really go.

Joseph McCoy| 3.23.09 @ 2:23AM

Sorry I forgot to put "ON" before innocent physically and mentally- Challenged Human Beings in the last comment.

His unrehearsed comments ( Cruel Joke) on them ( Special Olympics) were evident of his true feelings for for innocent physically and mentally- challenged Human Beings as well as unborn infants in the WOMB.

Patty Bilger| 3.23.09 @ 6:17AM

I don't know why I come here any more and read this stuff. You know for years I voted Rep, until this was pointed out to my by a friend.

Rep/conservatives had control of congress for 12 years, the White House for 8 years and the Supreme Court for 5 years and then did NOTHING TO STOP ABORTION.

I voted for President Bush in 2004, I didn't want to because it became clear to me that We were in a unjust war in Iraq. But I still voted for him because I believed in the conservative movement. But after my friend point out some things to me, what I see is that Rep/congressman/women only used the Abortion issue to keep us voting for them.

I will not be used like this every again.

A to Z| 3.23.09 @ 9:18AM

Ideally, both parties should respect life from conception to natural death, but we are left to work from what we have seen the party members do to support or deny the lives of the children in the womb or who have been created in vitro.

One program, the Mexico City Policy, is a good policy repecting the life of the unborn in programs abroad that was supported by the conservatives that is now being reversed by the liberals. Another area are conscience protections that are threatened to be denied to health care workers. Unless we act, health care workers would be REQUIRED to perform abortions against their conscience! Can you fathom living in a world where people or institutions caring for you will be denied use of their conscience?

On February 27, the Obama Administration announced its intention to remove current regulations (implemented by the Bush Administration in December 2008) protecting conscience rights in health care. On March 10, the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) then issued a formal proposal to rescind these regulations, thereby activating a 30-day period for the public to submit comments.

The National Committee for a Human Life Amendment (NCHLA) has devised an Action Alert link (nchla.org/actiondisplay.asp?ID=271) explaining why the regulations should be retained and providing directions on how to submit comments. PLEASE DO SO BY APRIL 9!

madeline cornett| 3.23.09 @ 1:32PM

five doctors got togeathers-informed my husband and i that my daugher needed to have an abortion--telling us that these fatherless babies were the trouble makers of the world--TODAY THIS SO CALLED "trouble maker of the world" walks among them
HE IS A MEDICAL DOCTOR HIMSELF.
TO GOD BE THE GLORY

burroak| 3.23.09 @ 2:24PM

Satan has his A-team in place running the show in Washington, DC. I trust that God is in control. I am trying to understand His plan. I pray daily for a St Paul like conversion of President Obama. Surely the liberal press would have to take note. Like Ruth Grahm once said, "Either God is going to call down judgement on the United States or He owes an apology to Sodom and Gomorrah."

Debbie Zinn| 3.23.09 @ 3:15PM

I have come against the" you believe in war and not abortion" . Truth be told I came to the conclusion after many hours hours of prayer, the bible states there will be wars and rumors of wars. I have with my in-laws 6 children who wear the uniform and served in Iraq and afghanistan. They voluntarily swore the oath to defend our constitution and country. They were all over 18 when they joined and all aware of the risks involved and they VOLUNTEERED.... That is with investigating what is involved in becoming a soldier and they KNEW it wasn't just a job that we had 2 wars going at the same time..Informed decision and informed consent. That is the difference between the death of a soldier who voluntarily puts his life on the line for us and for our country and they defend the unborn also. The unborn doesn't get the choice to live or die. We have become a nation of being glamorous, wealthy or just don't want to endure hardship that is character building. We want fast food and quick fixes and we want them now and pay later. Well the due date is upon us and all of us will pay the price for the choices of others. We have drenched our country with the blood of innocence and we must all endure the wrath to come. God will forgive our nation but at a price. Pray Pray and Pray it will be difficult but he is trying to reach those who he has called and they haven't answered yet.
A rotten and bought election is only our beginning. Do what you can for the unborn. Even if he taxes us all at 90% give and give some more. That is how you defeat EVIL and Evil it is. We will all be asked by God to endure because we love him, and this country he gave us. It is hard to sometimes put one foot in front of the other but if we stand strong we can help each other through to the end. Remember We must strive daily for strength, faith and love. Our reward awaits in heaven, but we can get through this life with the knowledge we gave God his Glory here on Earth.. In good and bad moments praise him. Only he has the keys to unlock hard hearts.. May God be with us all..

Daphne| 3.23.09 @ 4:19PM

God bless you, Debbie. You're not alone.

Jeremiah| 3.23.09 @ 4:23PM

I don't care how bad the repubs are--no one is as bad as the infanticide supporter--Obama. It's outrageous that he's in the White House.

Gentrygirl| 3.23.09 @ 4:39PM

Debbie Z...... Well said.
When I was a teenager 30+ yrs ago my friend and I were told by the Planned Parenthood, that it wasn't even a baby yet, and that they shouldn't feel bad, that it was just the size of a pea and could never survive. Look back, it seemed like were 'brainwashing' teenagers to think abortion wasn't bad.

NANCY| 3.23.09 @ 5:02PM

I AM SO GLAD MY DAUGHTERS BIRTH MOTHER HAD HER SO I COULD ADOPT HER. I COULD NOT LOVE HER MORE IF SHE WAS MY OWN FLASH AND BLOOD. SHE HAS GIVEN HER FATHER & I A WONDERFUL GRANDDAUGHTER TO LOVE.

Ramblingmother| 3.23.09 @ 9:18PM

Grandma Myrtle- you put too much stock into the main stream media. The "kill him" chants were found to be in the imagination of a liberal reporter. There were no chants at any McCain Palin rallies. The one rally you are referring too even had several secret service personnel and police and others in attendence that verified that there were no "kill him" chants other than in the mind of the liberal journalist who wanted a "good" story.

The sad fact of abortion devalues human life. When human life is devalued to the point to become things to be owned and dealt with, then there is no stopping abuse or murder. Why not murder a man when he is 18 if you can murder him pre-born? Why not tell old people to die because it is the patriotic thing to do as Tom Dashle wrote in his book?

And China failed in their population control. Oh sure the numbers look great if you don't count the "black children" those kids living who shouldn't have been so they aren't given the papers needed to go to school, get food, housing or whatnot. And what about the abandoning of babies who happened to be born to apparently pro-life parents but were one too many for the family? They are in orphanages and being adopted by US and other countries' citizens. Oh and don't think they couldn't have been abortion since that is one population control measure there.

If we can't protect the most innocent human life what makes us think we can protect any human life?

joanne| 3.23.09 @ 10:15PM

The epitome of discrimination: no protection under the Constitution if you happen to reside in the womb. I wonder how Obama would feel if a law was passed to allow the murder all babies because they happen to live on the south side of Chicago.

Simone| 3.24.09 @ 12:22AM

Obama Rules-
You're right, abortion is much more than just a political view and I didn't mean to minimize the seriousness of the issue. I do stand corrected on that point. However, I disagree on the other point-degrading our adversaries has never been a productive method to accomplishing anything.
Patty Bilger-
You are misinformed about the Republican party's lack of action against abortion. All one has to do is look at three of President Bush's executive orders that Obama has recently rescinded. The first eo prohibited federal dollars being funneled to international clinics that performed abortions or advised in favor of abortions. Thanks to Obama, our much stretched federal dollars can now help people in other nations kill their unborn babies. #2 eo-stem cell research on adult cells is no longer going to be funded. #3 eo rescinded-Stem cell research on aborted babies (fetus) is now legal. There is another eo Obama signed making abortions more easy to get. It slips my memory right now.
Thanks to the Republicans- at least the cost of many abortions were prevented for a few years. Last year one study indicated that the abortion rate had slowed compared to previous years. Until the Supreme Court reverses Roe v Wade, the only way to control abortions is through the power of the purse (Congress) and through Presidential executive orders.
We can look foward to easy availability to abortions for as long as Obama is in office.
Today, a federal judge ajudicated President Bush's eo banning the "morning after" pill from females under age 18, as illegal.
What we are seeing is a sign of things to come...signs of destruction.

mike| 3.24.09 @ 12:30AM

the old argument that law should be a voice for the voiceless, those innocent little babies who have no rights and are stripped of their lives by those fiendish doctors- oh no i mean muderers. life is life and these children should be given a chance to live that life, no matter how empty, loveless, abusive warping and destructive as it may be- life is life. perhaps instead of arguing for the voiceless persons embodied by embryos and fetuses you should argue for the voiceless children who are born into orphanages, abusive foster homes and those who age out of the system. perhaps the law should step in to provide these children with some means to become more than burdens of society. perhaps someone could be a voice for the innocent adults left emotionally scarred, socially and economically crippled left to try and salvage a fulfilling life even without an understanding of what they are looking for. no mr. hillyer, i do not consider a mother's rights above her child's or life of certain degrees too small to matter. i try to think of the big picture, fast forward to see those babies given a chance at life, no not the same life as those brought willingly into the world, but life born because it is the right thing to do- in other words lives born as nessecities to moral absolutetism, to lack of consideration and a need to remove a grisly prospect from our society, at the cost of the children those embryos may one day become at the cost of the adults those children may one day become and try as hard as you can to imagine their suffering, their pain, their voicelessness. better yet why stand against the selfishness that brings these children into the world the need to in this day and age of technologies, information and alternatives still take a risk, and against those who stand idly by.

Interloper| 3.25.09 @ 1:39AM

President Obama's opinion on abortion is squarely the mainstream of legal thought on the topic. He agrees with Roe v. Wade (1973) and its progeny that viability, the point when a fetus can sustain itself, is the determinant of when the state has an interest in the continuation of a pregnancy. The President believes that a late term abortion should occur only when a woman's physical or mental health is threatened. In actual practice, most late term abortions involve severely deformed or dead fetuses. The President has opposed legislation that is unconstitutional under Roe because it seeks to define fetuses as persons.

This focus on biology instead of emotionalism doesn't fare well with the far Right because it is scientific, leaving people to make their own moral and religious judgments. Since we do not live in a theocracy, that is exactly the way things should be.

LIAR INTERLOPER| 3.25.09 @ 7:14PM

Obama is the only politician FOR infanticide. He is ANTI-LIFE!! ZerObama is a monster, regardless of what toady, suck-up Interloper says. Liar.

Jeremiah| 3.25.09 @ 7:16PM

We (used to) live in a democracy, moron--WE , the people should have voted on it--not the nine in black. Dumbass.

Scottishgirl| 3.26.09 @ 11:21AM

We are all cowards in this country. The land of America is SOAKED in the blood of 50 million innocent murdered babies and all we do is whine about the corrupt government. Evil will triumph when good men do nothing. Why don't we elect a William Wallace to lead us in a violent overthrow of Washington? I don't have a problem with bloodshed, as long as it's not the innocent blood of millions and millions of babies.

Lifehappens| 3.26.09 @ 12:51PM

Everyone is whining about Obama but you know how little he can actually do in four years? You can't simply get rid of abortion either. It is illegal in Mexico and yet women are aborting. A high number actually! http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/2008/10/01/FIB_IA_Mexico.pdf

Women have been abandoning and aborting children since the beginning of time. Abortion has to be legal other wise you end up with women throwing themselves down steps and sticking foreign objects inside themselves, drinking turpentine and any number of other creative ideas our developed minds come up with.

Abortion isn't going anywhere and shouldn't.

The thing that almost all the people commenting on this page need to ask themselves is this:

Why is abortion easier than adoption?

I think it would be safe to say that most of the people reading and commenting on this page are Christian. Do you know what your bible says about orphans? Do you know what God says about orphans?

Imagine if, instead of picketing and wasting their time and money on senseless programs and campaigns for politicians who will say anything to get elected, had spent it developing an extensive adoption program nation wide and encouraging their congregations to adopt and adopt. That is the only way to save babies from abortion. Because, once again, women from the beginning have been aborting and that won't change. All you Christians clamoring about the blood of innocent babies are to blame! Where is your God like love? To interested in attending church and picketing and having 6 of your own babies. Love, and adopt. Make it easier for a woman to set her infant up for adoption than to kill it.

Angel| 3.26.09 @ 3:05PM

Scottishgirl--you are a girl after my own heart! Bravo to you for your defense of God's most precious angels.

Robohobo| 3.30.09 @ 12:57AM

The genuine wisdom of children:

"We must remember that with our rights and our choices come responsibilities, and we can't take someone else's rights away to avoid our responsibilities."

Jay| 3.30.09 @ 3:50AM

How could ANYONE elevate Obama to candidate for President? He did nothing as a "community organizer" to improve Chicago's murder rate in the inner city, and didn't even show up for important votes as a state legislator, yet he was raised to the position of Democratic candidate for President. His only qualification is he can give a speech. He has deceived so many, with his false Christianity by supporting a "pastor" who spews anti-American rhetoric. His wife was never proud to be an American until her husband achieved notoriety, yet they both acquired an education, then riches through other hard-working American's efforts and generosity. Obama is nothing less than the evil instrument of liberals and agencies who have funded his sweep into the White House. Just search Federal Election Commission and see who bought him the presidency: NARAL, Emily's List, Planned Parenthood, leaders in the abortion industry. In turn, he is forcing the abortion machine on us all by fulfilling their agendas. Why does he insist on keeping his "Blackberry"? Is it to keep in touch with his "operatives". He is bent on sending our country into socialism and godlessness. Our nation is on the slippery slope to genocide, as he will eventually enforce selective health care to determine who will live or die. By condemning babies who survive abortion to a trash can, he opens the way to throwing the elderly, ill, infirm, and handicapped in the dumpster. He is pushing the failure of our country so fast, socially, economically, and morally, reminding everyone
that HE was elected president. He sounds so much like a dictator, seeking the peoples trust as though he is saving them from ruin. God give me the perseverence to keep praying for his conversion!

Sylvia Austin| 3.30.09 @ 4:31AM

Kent Lyon - Your contribution to this subject gave me the best answer I have ever read in my 60+ adult years dealing with this controversy. I am a Christian and know God weeps for every aborted baby. But the non-Christian and non-believer requires an answer that fits them. You have it and just shared it. Thank you so much. I will be quoting your words to anyone and everyone for the rest of my life.
I was pregnant at 19, in the 50's, unmarried and scared. Later, I married my daughter's father.
Another daughter at 18, pregnant, unmarried, chose to place her daughter for adoption. Was all this painful? Yes, but two beautiful women are alive and happy.
Quin - Thank you for your thoughtful article that stimulated such remarkable response. Abortion is a huge issue as many have shown. We must as a culture take away the stigma, trauma, fear, worry and burden of the unplanned pregnancy so women are not pressed into that deadly choice. We have known for years that couples waiting on adoption lists far outnumber available babies. There is no reason for any baby to be aborted.
Anyone born before January 1973 can feel good to be alive. Anyone after 1973 can feel doubley blest to be alive. I have helped pregnant girls bring their babies to term and watched some of those babies grow to adulthood. Some of them were adopted and they have reunited in recent years. One couple was married with children and could not afford another child. They chose adoption for their baby. All they needed was to know there were people who did not judge them for their choice. Many were proud of them.
Yes, I am a pro-lifer that would adopt a baby if needed, but there are so many ahead of me who are begging that I want them to have their chance.

Auntie M| 4.7.09 @ 9:59PM

Back before Roe v. Wade, back in the mid-60's, I was a sweet young girl in a Catholic high school, and one of the nuns--are you out there reading this, Sr. Jean Frances?--told us that we should watch out if abortion ever became legal; that those who assured us that it would only be used sparingly, in the most extreme cases, and never as a regular method of birth control, were either lying or deceived themselves. Further, she said that once abortion was legal and had become common, there would come such a cheapening of human life as we had never imagined before, with a rise in suicides, and that living-death of drug addiction, along with abominations like euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide. She even warned us that these last evils might rise quickly enough to take us as their early victims.

In our youth and innocence, we were sure she was just giving in to her own worst imaginations, but she told us to watch and wait. I have watched and waited. It has all come true.

Yes, abortion has been with us almost as long as pregnancies, but they used to be rare, and secret because we all knew they were wrong. Legalization was supposed to prevent the need for the back-alley practitioner, but now we are proposing laws that would not require medical expertise of the practitioner. Hmmm. That makes it SO MUCH SAFER for the mother--how? Indeed, those who promote abortion are lying or decieved! Or maybe just sleepwalking.

One of my favorite school subjects was Latin. Did you know that the ancient Romans had amenities like indoor plumbing? No kidding. They also had a welfare system, where the poor were provided with food and entertainments, the original "bread and circuses." That last, by the way, was partly provided courtesy of the emperor through his ongoing lions vs. Christians challenge. And they not only allowed abortion, their laws gave the father of the family the right to decide, up to the age of two years, whether a child of his household should live or die. Rome, like America, was the heart of a great empire. Have you not heard of the rise AND FALL of the Roman empire? America, be afraid. You can make a thing legal, but you can't make it right.

DARIA| 4.10.09 @ 2:27AM

Back before Roe v. Wade, back in the mid-60's, I was a sweet young girl in a Catholic high school, and one of the nuns--are you out there reading this, Sr. Jean Frances?--told us that we should watch out if abortion ever became legal; that those who assured us that it would only be used sparingly, in the most extreme cases, and never as a regular method of birth control, were either lying or deceived themselves. Further, she said that once abortion was legal and had become common, there would come such a cheapening of human life as we had never imagined before, with a rise in suicides, and that living-death of drug addiction, along with abominations like euthanasia and doctor-assisted suicide. She even warned us that these last evils might rise quickly enough to take us as their early victims.

Was she right? I hope so!

Zodiac Motherfucker| 4.10.09 @ 2:30AM

Yes, abortion has been with us almost as long as pregnancies, but they used to be rare, and secret because we all knew they were wrong.

And done with wirehangers, dont forget that. Ah, nostalgia. Youre pathetic.

Lord Fanny| 4.10.09 @ 2:42AM

I am a Christian and know God weeps for every aborted baby.

How? The Christian mythology is pretty weak on the subject. You actually bought it? Wow. Just wow.

Sr. Jean Frances| 4.10.09 @ 2:47AM

We have our hands tied with pedophile priests... if you want to have an abortion go for it, god doesnt mind. Just promise not to sue us.

Obama Rules| 5.9.09 @ 11:47PM

Look at the sick, perverted liberal posts. These are the people who are destroying our country. Only God can love these gobs of garbage, even their mothers wished they'd aborted them--at 9 months!!

Lisa Graas| 5.17.09 @ 3:09AM

Bravo. Very powerful. I imagine that a weight was lifted from you after you wrote this.

Regretfully, you didn't mention something that is the proverbial gorilla in the room. The very BIG THING that everyone should see but, for some reason, they miss it completely. Adoption.

I used to counsel women considering abortion and when I would mention adoption to them, they would invariably reply, "That would be cruel." Do you know why they would say that? Because of powerful arguments on both sides of the debate, like yours above, that don't explain the loving option that adoption truly is. It's a travesty that we are confronted with this horribly divisive issue when adoption (even "open adoption") is so available. It's too bad that this very powerful, courageous article is completely devoid of any mention of adoption - the loving option for those who simply cannot provide for a child.

Many blessings to you.

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