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The Old Crock

Bush Derangement Syndrome is still with us despite our entry into the Golden Age of Obama, but it now takes on multiple guises. One manifestation we've heard about lately is "Rush" Derangement Syndrome. But overall it's a detestation of conservatives ranging from smug condescension  to outright hatred. Most conservatives have encountered it even among family and friends. For instance, I have a friend in Chicago who simply won't speak to me. I'm in disgrace. Another will speak to me, but only in the most vile ways.

When I was a student at Feather River College, a community college in Quincy, California, in the 1970s, I had an English teacher named Jaime O'Neill. It was around this time that I first entertained the notion of being a writer, however daunting that task. I recall that Mr. O'Neill encouraged my first efforts, though he did so with all his students, and I didn't talk about my literary aspirations. Like many 21 year olds in 1975 I was apolitical, mostly just following the post-Watergate-Vietnam War liberal herd mentality. The only conservatives I knew about at that time were the much media-maligned Richard Nixon and ex-Governor Reagan, and Bill Buckley, who had a television show and amusing mannerisms. The California media was full of stories about crazies throwing bombs or the whereabouts of Patty Hearst. President Ford visited twice as part of what seemed to be Secret Service training for live ammo assassination attempts. The sometimes ascetic Jerry Brown was governor and sleeping on the floor in Sacramento, when he wasn't flying off to Los Angeles to date Linda Ronstadt. Anyway, O'Neill.

O'Neill taught for 35 years at a half dozen small colleges. When I first met him he'd been at it for about a decade, starting in the San Francisco Bay Area, and then at Feather River College. I stayed in touch with him periodically over the years from wherever I was living, and sent him odd pieces with an SASE, which he in turn edited and sent back with comments, which I appreciated and told him so.

O'Neill wrote, of course. Newspaper pieces, essays, short stories, and I believe an unpublished novel or two. I'm not at all familiar with his entire output -- which is considerable -- but over the years I've seen his byline in the San Francisco Chronicle, the Sacramento Bee,  the Chico News & Review, and -- in the last decade -- online (more on that later). O'Neill and I even shared space in the '70s in a Northern California  alternative newspaper called the Green Mountain Gazette.  O'Neill wrote a regular column called  "The Old Crock," where he took on the persona of a Twainesque curmudgeon. I recall that the pieces were funny. I played reporter and covered a few local municipal government meetings -- badly.

In 1985 O'Neill landed in Newsweek with a "My Turn" feature about his travails as a teacher entitled "No Allusions in the Classroom," and in it he wrote of how by the mid-'80s he began to give new students a general knowledge test designed to tell him how prepared they were for college-level work. Even in 1985 the results were awful (so imagine the state of higher education today). One student thought "The Great Gatsby" was a magician; another that Socrates was an Indian chief; a third knew Picasso was a painter, but also thought he had lived in the 12th century. You get the idea. The test had a geography section with equally dismal results. The piece was in the end a plea for both grammar and high schools to do a better job at preparing students for college. It's interesting that liberals are concerned about the health of an educational system that they themselves destroyed.

The Newsweek article led to a series of four tomes that can be described as drill books designed to alleviate the problems noted. I have one -- signed by the author -- called We're History! Other than an introductory essay and an epilogue, the book is roughly 350 pages of multiple choice -- fill in the blanks -- true or false questions, with the answers found elsewhere in the book. It's also interesting to note that after the Newsweek piece appeared, O'Neill was part of a 60 Minutes segment on the then state of American education, and was interviewed by Mike Wallace.

As I say, I've mostly been out-of-touch with O'Neill over the years, but that changed in 2001 when he had a piece in the San Francisco Chronicle entitled "Dum and Dummer" (the title refers to the spelling foibles of an anonymous student). It slammed George W. Bush's gifts for malapropism, and his intellectual abilities in general, as judged by O'Neill. O'Neill mentions his academic credentials in that he has instructed some 7,000 students, and graded 70,000 papers, which contained 35 million "mostly ill-chosen words." He compared the president to his students; in fact, the subtitle of the piece posed the question: "Can George W. Bush match wits with a typical community college student?" This screed appeared nine days before 9/11. As for the slowly expiring Chronicle, I still look at it online occasionally, and it's wackier than ever.

I e-mailed O'Neill about this piece, our first communication in years. I criticized it in a lightly sarcastic but good-natured way, but wasn't prepared for his response, which was so nasty that I couldn't record it here without blanking out words. Besides, those e-mails are on an old computer modem in storage, but I certainly remember their tone. And I remember -- buried amongst all the profanity -- a phrase about my "carrying water" for the conservative press. I found this odd because most of my work has been apolitical, but was flattered O'Neill kept up with my stuff.

In the last few years O'Neill in retirement has penned scores of pieces for the Chico News & Review and now his local Paradise (Ca.) Post excoriating the Bush-Cheney tenure and conservatives in general. Except for occasional book and music reviews, he writes about nothing else. The political articles in turn are reprinted on a blog called "The Smirking Chimp: In dishonor of the worst president in U.S. history, 2001-2009," a sort of Daily Kos wannabe. The site features an odd photo of our ex-President with a rather simian expression on his face, and a newly added "Return to Sender" superimposed on it. Maybe they'll get around to replacing it with a picture of Rush Limbaugh. I counted roughly eighty O'Neill pieces on the site.

In a recent effort called "Limbaugh's Treasonous Hope for Obama's Failure" (O'Neill isn't one for snappy titles), our author easily gets in lockstep with the great thundering herd on the loony left as he blasts those "fascist" and "piggish" voices on talk radio who have "enabled some of the worst crooks and incompetents of the Bush years to reign supreme," and who are the "ignorant and hollow blusterers who contaminate hope and thwart change." These voices are led by that arch-demon Limbaugh, the "agent provocateur for right wing dimwits." Us conservative dimbulbs ain't nice, because "no one can afford to hope Obama fails. If he does, so do we all."

That's just one piece. As I say, I counted 80, and even read some of those. To give the reader a good overview, I'll rattle off a few titles: "Bush-Cheney: High Crimes and Big Criminals"; "Is Bush Stupid? Well, Duh?"; "The Death of a Bad Man" (Jerry Falwell); "Scumbags" (Alan Greenspan); "Who Would Jesus Torture? And How?"; "A Modest Proposal for Waterboarding  Judge Michael Mukasey." Though all is not venom and vinegar. Not long after Election Day, O'Neill wrote a piece entitled "Obama, and the better angels of our nature" (Yes, Professor O'Neill, yet another shopworn Lincoln allusion in the classroom). This last tells me that he'll actually miss the Bush-Cheney years as his great moment in the sun, a triumph more ecstatic than having coffee with Mike Wallace so long ago.

O'Neill strikes me as being a bitter man. Certainly when young he had higher literary hopes. Didn't we all. Maybe staring into those 7,000 blank faces soured him. Nowadays, he's a left-wing Ezra Pound, one of a million mad Ezras with a modem on a raft and bobbing around out there in the great gray ocean of the tin hat blogosphere.

The Old Crock has finally become The Old Crock.

      

       

Letter to the Editor

topics:
George W. Bush, Illiteracy, Community Colleges

Bill Croke, formerly of Cody, Wyoming, is a writer in Salmon, Idaho.

Comments

drudge ette obama| 2.18.09 @ 6:58AM

Bill, first let me tell you gently that I don't think those two guys in Chacago are your true friends. You deserve better.

Also, this piece seems as if you are exploring the psyche of one man rather than exposing the psychological causes of Bush Derangement Syndrome. Stop following O'Neill in his life. What will happen to you when he writes that last piece of angry prose?

I would be interested in reading why some people, many of whom eventually make their ranting way on to this website, are the way they are. My image of most mad Moveonright haters is that they are deeply unhappy, angry people with absolutely no prospect of hope or smidgen of joy in their depressing lives. I have certain physical images of them, too. Mostly, they are sallow, untoned muscular-types wearing dingy clothing. But I don't want to stereotype anyone. Truly.

I bet that most of us have similar stories. Mine was a family law professor who openly mocked me because I presented a paper in favor of closed adoption where birth parents are kept anonymous. I thought, and still do, that this is in the best interests of the child. This professor didn't. My grade reflected her thinking.

Rocco| 2.18.09 @ 7:24AM

Drudge Ette:

I think you are right - my view is similar: that they are miserable, angry fools who have no real purpose in life. They are not productive in any way. The ones I have seen, in terms of physique, would be blown off their feet in a 10 mph wind. I know you don't want to stereotype, but the stereotype does exist.... LOL. I generally don't dignify their rants with a response, unless they really get in my face physically, then I just pitch them aside like a rag doll. Since they're all cowards at heart, they run.

Kitty| 2.18.09 @ 7:29AM

I always thought that a business owner's best interests were aligned with the free market-loving right. Yet my older brother, who owns his own very profitable business, is a Democrat. At one point Pete listened to Rush Limbaugh and agreed with him on many issues. Then the next thing I know he's ranting about the high cost of the war, spouting the half-vast left-wing's statistics. So, we don't discuss politics.

I think Pete is like a lot of self-made people who haven't been able to enjoy the fruits of their labors without guilt. He knows what it's like to grow up poor.

Btw, another great read, Bill.

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Brian| 2.18.09 @ 8:18AM

But why? Why do people act this way? He should have figured it out as an educator. Getting people to ponder new ideas is a challenge that should have exposed the truth of, and need for, conservatism. Hardship facilitates growth.

John| 2.18.09 @ 8:36AM

"Liberalism is a mental disorder" -Michael Savage

NotYourTypicalNewYorker| 2.18.09 @ 8:59AM

Wow,after a lifetime of writing Prof. O'Neill winds up with a blog on a nondescript website,The Smirking Chimp.This is as it should be.I look forward to the day that he withers and blows away...It's people of an age and station like him that have slowly navigated this nation to where we are today.

Owyheewine| 2.18.09 @ 9:18AM

When you become a true Idahoan, you will relegate Chicago and California residents to the irrelevance that they richly deserve.

Michele San Pietro| 2.18.09 @ 9:48AM

Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder when it continues to accuse Bush of anything even now that he is no longer President. I think we should not pay too much attention to such ignorant scoundrels whose rantings are commented by themselves. Intelligent Americans, who are still the overwhelming majority, know perfectly well that, if Obama makes a mistake (and he has already made very many so far), only Obama is responsible for this, not Bush.

S.L. Toddard| 2.18.09 @ 9:50AM

Bill, I hope you do not feel any guilt, after all you never hid your opinions. O'Neill would have disappointed you sooner or later, anyway, as liberals can't think or behave in a rational way.

S.L. Toddard| 2.18.09 @ 9:57AM

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It gives me an idea for a new bumper sticker:
"Tell me you hate Bush and receive a pair of combat boots up your butt."

JTS| 2.18.09 @ 10:32AM

Your ex-prof. fits the definition of the Ugly Liberal – a disgusting, boorish, traitorous turd. The tinfoil hat Lefty who swears that the Muslims loved us until Bush stole the Florida election and hate us more because we are in Iraq – an, oh, we protect Israel to boot!. But Bush never confronted them, lest he be seen as playing politics with the war. He let them frame the debate and set up the logical arguments and systems to draw the inference: “Bush in a big monkey face, neener, neener neener!”

The problem with the “ignore them” defense Bush pursued is that we are fighting real terrorists who want to kill us. When Bush was successfully depicted as a clown here, the world saw it as weakness. After all, who wants to follow a clown? Can anyone imagine Clinton – or Reagan – not confronting these aholes? You may not like Clinton and his ooziness, but you have to respect his in-your-face style of politics. If Bush didn’t want to fight, he shouldn’t have run for the job. Politics ain’t beanbag, ya know.

HomelessLeRino| 2.18.09 @ 11:08AM

To whom it may concern, these scruffy, angry losers with their frail physiques , these pathetic losers have kicked your conservative asses in the political arena. Soon they will be bossing you around every way imaginable. The state the of California will soon be deciding what kind of car you drive, or whether you get to drive a car at all. Guns, your barbecue, the size of your house will be if not dictated, heavily influenced by them. One thing they do better than the right is organize , and they join forces with other groups with whom they do not totally agree. The right, the Limbaugh right, is more concerned about " thinning the herd" of Rinos than building winning coalitions. Thus, they have the numbers on their side. You conservatives do not get the basic political equation in America. A dwindling minority can't win elections. That is why these weasels will destroy you-fairness doctrine anyone ? The same senators, Snow, Collins, and Arlen will save your sorry radio heroes on that one, and still you'll spit on them. Because in your world of magical conservative thinking a right wing conservative can win in the northeast.

JP| 2.18.09 @ 11:10AM

I think joining the Anti-Bush bandwagon provided some type of emotional energy to many people who would otherwise suffer atrophy. All of that "Bush stole the Election" anger went somewhere. There was a hiatus from 9/11 to March 2003, but it didn't take long for the pent-up hatred to come spewing forth in all of its glory.

Writers, entertainers, housewives, and bloggers found new meaning in life when they wallowed in the muck of Bush Derangement. And what a good time that was had by all!

Can't wait until they find a new source for thier vitriol. My guess is Govenor Palin and her merry brood of Elk hunters. The fonts of hatred must be refreshed!

HomelessLeRhino| 2.18.09 @ 11:15AM

Kitty, maybe your brother unlike you has figured out Limbaugh does not have all the answers. Plus, the war beat down alot of good people. The point is Kitty , why not listen to your brother's concerns rather than just blast him with Limbaugh's rhetoric the minute he says something you don't like. This is how we learn and grow, something Rush has not done since high school from what I gather.

Appleby| 2.18.09 @ 11:30AM

Homeless LeRino, your constant "Neener Neener Neener" posts are about as wearying as listening to my sister defend Indian rights while detailing the various ways in which this product of his culture has ruined her life.

Soon all of us who managed to get an education and good jobs despite those like you whose sole contribution to the world was "Neener Neener Neener" and "Hey Hey! Ho Ho!" will starve to death or die of some hippie illness or other -- I pass your ilk on street corners every day on my way in to the office, in fact. When they ask me for change I always tell them to call Obama. I will tell you the same.

Marc Jeric| 2.18.09 @ 11:35AM

Rush Limbaugh did not say he wanted Abu Hussein from Kenya to fail; he said that if Abu Hussein wants to introduce socialism and marxism to this country - then he wants him to fail. This fact shows the stupidity and malevolence of that old "professor".

HomelessLeRhino| 2.18.09 @ 11:51AM

Appleby, looks like I touched a nerve. But, I am not so bad old boy. Let us form alliance of respect for the common purpose of defeating a common enemy of our freedom. What is the wall between us ? Please tell me ? The mighty middle is the deciding force in American politics. Now let us work together. You can't win a football game with 6 against eleven. Show me some love and respect conservatives. You need me and the tens of millions like me. Otherwise continue to whither on the vine. I live under a bridge in Newark. Come to diner Appleby . I'll cook up some hobo stew. You bring the wine, and some fresh new ,or slightly used underthings for my lady friend Peaches. And, if you gots a spare set of false teeth hangin rown bringem. Can't wait to break some day old bread with you, chum, my future comrade in arms.

Pecos Pete| 2.18.09 @ 12:06PM

Owyheewine: Any thought in Idaho about seccession? Just wondering because I'm thinking of moving to either Utah or Idaho.

bobmontgomery| 2.18.09 @ 12:18PM

All this would be quite amusing and good for our spirits and maintaining positive outlook IF it were that O'Neill, and perhaps a few thousand, or hundred thousand, were an aberration and had no influence for the past forty years. Perhaps it is too daunting to imagine the size of the federal government and the millions of its tentacles insinuating themselves into every fiber of your being. So just take the easy route and look at the first unapologetic, unabashed, openly socialist president of the United States of America and his associations over the past twenty years and ask yourselves, "How did this happen?" They may have been goofy, but they are winning.

JP| 2.18.09 @ 12:51PM

"The right, the Limbaugh right, is more concerned about " thinning the herd" of Rinos than building winning coalitions."

Oh yes, Homeless Rhino! Oh, for the good ol' daze!. Where have you gone old RHINOs of yore? Oh Jeffords, Shays, Weicker, Packwood, oh Chaffee, oh Ridge and Gordon Smith and Chuck Hegel where have you all gone? We need you in our hour of need. We truely miss how you sunk the Bork nomination, cut deals with Tip O'Niel, Jim Wright, and Senator Mitchell. Oh you makers of the Gang of 14, the Midwest Dairy Compact, and fans of Mohair Sheep Farms, PBS, and subsidized pornographic art, please come back.

Your numbers are dwindling; only a dozen in the House, and 3 in the Senate. We did not realize that your constituents would perfer real Democrats over RHINOS. We apologize for Rush Limbaugh, and we surely hope Snarlin' Arlene will join Durbin in fixing that problem with free-speech. Please, do not stay away too long. Our sacred coalition is almost gone, and we fear the conservative beasts will ruin the party.

JJ JR| 2.18.09 @ 1:47PM

Y'all,

I'll go Savage one better: Liberalism is the attempted refutation of human nature.

Dai Alanye| 2.18.09 @ 2:03PM

Liberals hate us because we destroy their dreams. Their worldview, based upon wishful thinking, is endangered when the reality that conservatives bring to discussions impinges upon their airy utopian concepts. Can you blame them for being angry?

LeHomelessRhino| 2.18.09 @ 2:30PM

JP, that gang of 14 got you Alito and Roberts. Watch what you get when you have oh so pure a Republican minority. Bader Ginzberg clones coming right up. We were better off with all the above you chose to spit upon. You do not comprehend the basic political equation in America. But fine, be a small, shrinking regional party. Nature hates a vacuum I have heard, maybe in politics as well. So we will see a third party emerge where a Gorden Smith can win out west and a Ridge in the East. It is our only hope. By the way how many more Rhinos in the house and Senate are in your sights ? Was Saxby ok ? He voted for prescription drugs. Did you know that ? A compassionate conservatism thing to do. A sin for most movement conservatives, such a vote. But, you were all down on your knees praying he'd win in the runoff. Guess those low income old folks in Georgia liked the help he helped them get, they put him over the top. And Colman is sort of a Rhino. But, you can keep a straight face and say there is no difference having Norm in the senate than Franken. You and your fearless leader Rush are nuts. By the way. those dwindling conservatives in congress fully supported extended unemployment, cobra payments, and all the rest for people hit by the recession. Sounds kinda Rhinoish to me. I mean it is thumbing their nose at Rush, and his " pull your self up by bootstraps " answer to everything that befalls a hard worker in out nation.

Sons of Sam| 2.18.09 @ 2:44PM

Say Bill, regarding your so-called "friends" who either "wont talk to you" or only talk "in the vilest ways": what exactly is the POINT of their so-called "friendship"? They are not your friends, and they are not America's friends either. They are traitors and haters and scumbags. They deserve neither your friendship nor your understanding; at best, they deserve to be told to go F**K themselves.

It's high time for conservatives everywhere to take off the gentleman's gloves and to strap on some steel toed Doc Martens. The original patriots who built this country knew how to fight, and to stand up for their freedom. It's time we started re-learning the lessons they taught.

S.O.S.
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Ellis Wyatt| 2.18.09 @ 5:58PM

What a funny article. I know people like your old professor and they really make me laugh even though I pity their depressing lives. I think part of the anger has to be the fact that once historians judge the Presidency of George W. Bush through the eyes of history, and I will believe they will judge it quite well on the things that matter, the hate filled empty rhetoric and people like O'Neill will have been long forgotten.

Also, Dai at 2:03 pretty much nailed why liberals hate conservatives so much. Those darn facts. What ever happened to tolerance?

ruth| 2.18.09 @ 7:27PM

That's our salvation--The Mighty Middle. Where the hell were they in 2008 when we nominated a RINO?

Alan Brooks| 2.18.09 @ 9:35PM

crucial article.
what we need is a cool head, even cooler than Rush, to step forward and mediate in this bizarre era. IMO George F. Will has the coolest head of all.
Then there is Chas Krauthammer, Victor Davus Hanson.
i never dreamed it would come to this; i knew the war[s] would be bad for decades, but this?
calling all patriots!
Geo Will had a super-point: America's (and the world's) greatest year was 1776-- it has been slowly downhill since that time.

Alan Brooks| 2.18.09 @ 9:37PM

Davis, not Davus!

point is we can't mess around now. at least not like before.

Alan Brooks| 2.18.09 @ 9:40PM

...my big mistake was thinking the war and thus DARPA would lift all boats. but futurists are bigger fools than liberals.

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Joseph| 2.19.09 @ 1:13AM

This essay brings back all sorts of good memories about my freshman English professor, a liberal's liberal, who more often than not during our discussions often wondered, though always respectfully, about my, as he put it: "extremely conservative ideas for such a young mind." Well, to make a long story short, this professor was the only one to stand up for me in front of the Academic Committee, to which I was summoned more than a few times for having had the "audacious insolence," as one of my history professors referred to my academic demeanor, as to my repeated attempts to set the record straight in class as they spewed their anti-American venom to many others. I'm certainly glad I did not have The Old Crock as my English professor, for I believe I would have certainly been up a creek without a paddle.

Murray | 2.19.09 @ 3:05AM

JTS--
I have met Jaime O'Neill, and I can assure you he's not "a disgusting, boorish, traitorous turd."

I get the sense that you disagree with his opinions. No problem there. But I am unclear about the path that leads you from disagreeing with someone to characterizing him as "traitorous."

O'Neill can speak for himself, but my interpretation of his essays persuades me that he is a defender of the values that make this country special. Is it not possible that someone can see things differently from you and still be an upright and valuable member of our society?

Kitty| 2.19.09 @ 6:43AM

HomelessLeRhino: I don't "blast" my brother with anything. What part of "we don't discuss politics" don't you understand?

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HomelessLeRhino| 2.19.09 @ 8:19AM

Ruth we still got painted as right wing, especially on abortion. They used our VEEP candidate as a symbol of all things that are bad about Republicans, and this turned off suburban women. I am not saying this is fair or honest, but who said politics ever were ? Suburban women and their husbands are a big part of the mighty middle. Look let's be honest about McCain, his age was an issue. It would have been closer had we run somebody younger. I am convinced of this. Please no more Doles or McCains past their prime. Reagan transcended it of course, but can we agree he was exceptional. Kitty I have democrats in my family as well, and instead of fighting with them I have learned to listen.Here in the northeast a lot of it is still the Republicans problem of just being the party of the rich, and not caring for the little guy. You can get as angry as you want, but people want a certain level of government and their programs. What they hate however is being pushed around by big government, and the attitude of public sector unions to whack them and not be reasonable. They now understand these union leaders see the average private sector worker as a pork chop to devour. A public sector vs private sector middle class worker schism is developing. It is kind of ugly actually, but that is the union mentality, sadly. I've had violent encounters when I've told these public sector types they need to be in social security and 401ks like the rest of us(exception for police and fire. Are we not "all in this together", and all of us being in social security only seems like " fundamental fairness". Use their catch phrases against them By the way, bet your brother agrees with me. Find common ground, bring them back into our tent. Grow the herd don"t thin it.

clashseeker| 2.19.09 @ 9:23AM

Alan Brooks, do you not understand that once Rush addresses a subject there is nothing else left to say ? listen to others ? ARE YOU IMPLYING THEY MAY KNOW MORE THAN THE COLLEGE DROP OUT ? Heresy is not taken lightly here.

Gregory| 2.20.09 @ 12:04PM

What a clumsy, confused and cantankerous attack on a teacher 35 years on ! A teacher who is described by the writer as helpful and enocuraging, moreover.

In our two-pary democracy we need a credible and informed opposition, but if this belated and spiteful hatchet job is it, then God help us !

Harry T. Wild| 2.21.09 @ 11:31AM

I'm sorry for you, MR. CROKE, as you seem to have a slightly RIGHT OF THE RIGHT leaning. It's not easy for us "LIBS" to live in a nation of dimwits who voted for BUSH a second time. I am assuming that you neo-cons didn't even watch the 2004 debates before you voted for Bush the second time. If you had you would have seen this moron for what he really was. I hope you're all smart enough to recognize the DEPRESSION he has led us into and can SUP IT UP long enough to recognize that it will take full CO-operation to turn this country and the rest of the world around.

Michele San Pietro| 2.21.09 @ 1:21PM

Mr. Harry T. Wild, those who don't vote as you like aren't necessarily all "dimwits". If such a basic concept is not clear to you, then the right country for you is Iran or North Korea, not the United States. As for Bush, to my mind he has been an excellent President and this will always be my opinion, no matter what yours is.

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Manon McKinnon

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