Just days before "change" comes to Washington, Capitol Hill Democrats are already sounding a discordant note. Senate Intelligence Committee Chairwoman Dianne Feinstein was briefly off-message when President-elect Barack Obama chose Leon Panetta as his new head of the CIA. Key Democrats have balked at the tax cuts in Obama's stimulus plan and the House has already voted to pare them down. Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid pointedly told Roll Call, "I don't work for Barack Obama -- I work with him."
How well Democratic congressional leaders, eager to flex their muscles after eight years of George W. Bush, actually work with the new president remains to be seen. If recent history is any guide, it is perfectly understandable why Obama might prefer to have dinner at George Will's house. "Don't you expect for Democrats to act like Republicans," House Majority Whip James Clyburn told Bloomberg News. "Democrats will be Democrats."
And Republicans will be Republicans, it seems. Already leading GOP legislators seem ill at ease in the role of loyal opposition. Take for example the confirmation hearings of Hillary Clinton. The conservative case against Hillary is nothing new -- Whitewater, Travelgate, her conduct on the Watergate Committee staff, and countless other Clinton scandals well known to faithful readers -- and her credentials for being secretary of state are, one might say, thin.
Yet when the Senate Foreign Relations Committee held hearings on her nomination, Republicans could muster little more than a few questions about donors to Bill Clinton's well-endowed foundation. Every Republican on the committee except for one -- Sen. David Vitter of Louisiana -- voted to advance her nomination. Some conservatives outside of Congress reacted to Obama's choice of Hillary as if it were a positive sign about the direction of his administration.
For Republicans, this is nothing new. When Bill Clinton nominated Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a former chief litigator of the ACLU's women's rights project (giving some hint as to where she might stand on the constitutionality of Roe v. Wade), to the Supreme Court, Republican leaders like Sen. Orrin Hatch praised the choice. Only three Republicans -- conservatives Jesse Helms, Don Nickles, and Bob Smith -- voted against her confirmation. Ginsburg went on to become arguably the most liberal member of the Supreme Court.
A case could be made that senators should respect a president's right to appoint qualified judges, regardless of party affiliation. Whatever her constitutional and political views, Ginsburg possessed solid legal qualifications. Unfortunately, ever since the Senate rejected Robert Bork over twenty years ago, it has been clear that any Republican senator who takes this approach is practicing the political equivalent of unilateral disarmament.
Why? Because, as Congressman Clyburn would put it, Democrats will be Democrats. President Bush's nominees John Roberts and Samuel Alito were supremely well qualified for seats on the nation's highest court. Half the Democrats in the Senate voted against the mild-mannered Roberts. Alito, whose conservatism was somewhat better documented, won just four Democratic votes. All of the Democrats who voted for Alito came from red states, like most of the Democrats who voted for Clarence Thomas in 1991.
Republicans often don't take matters of moral and constitutional principle like Roe v. Wade as seriously as their Democratic counterparts do. That's why Democratic presidential candidates habitually promise to make Roe a litmus test for their major judicial nominees while GOP nominees usually decline to do so. Democrats, on the other hand, will pick fights with presidents of their own party to preserve the power of their committee chairmanships more readily than some conservative Republicans will fight on issues like Roe.
There are exceptions, of course. House Minority Leader John Boehner is showing signs that he won't simply sign off on a stimulus package regardless of content or price tag. "Oh my God," he stammered in response to Appropriation Committee Chairman David Obey's $825 billion handiwork. Unfortunately, the Democratic leadership has taken away much of the Republican minority's ability to reshape legislation by restricting motions to recommit and add amendments to bills. Democratic committee chairs have also been freed of term limits.
Despite their tough talk, congressional Democrats will probably turn out to be fairly eager to please Obama. Dianne Feinstein quickly backed away from her early skepticism about Panetta as CIA director, announcing "all systems are go." And Republicans do face a difficult task in finding their footing as an opposition party -- rejected by the country in the last two elections and faced with a new chief executive with positive approval ratings, it won't be easy to find ways to constructively oppose the Obama administration without appearing obstructionist.
There might be one good way to learn, however: watch the Democrats being Democrats.
The Democrats say Obamacare opponents are a mob. Are they right?
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Len| 1.16.09 @ 9:58AM
Serioulsy what is a Republican? When the leaders of this party will take an adamant, unyielding stand for Constitutionality then I will support them, until that time we need a viable third party NOW, and that party may be called the milita party. Don't tell me I'm wrong on this, if those in authority go so far beyond their LEGAL LY defined limits and then use power to do so, then waht is the recourse? This is another check that is often left out of civics but that the Founding Fathers used in establishing this country in the first place.
Len| 1.16.09 @ 10:00AM
Please forgive the typos; serioulsy=seiously, waht=what.
Dustoff| 1.16.09 @ 10:39AM
And the Rep party is wondering why they are losing support.
Grow a pair you fools!
Tim| 1.16.09 @ 10:41AM
Len, Right On!
And maybe, just maybe, what the majority of us law abiding people of good will need is to get it shoved up where the sun don't shine by a bunch of corrupt, Constitution trashing, greedy, pin heads, before the Republican party will purge itself into something that people can grab and hold on to.
People have had it with the corruption......and the people who come out swinging against it, will in the long run be the new leaders of the reform movement....be it Republican...or anything else.
Louis Jenkins| 1.16.09 @ 10:46AM
Two parties? There are two political parties in America? We have one party named the Democrats and Republicans, then we have the real party-those who believe in the Constitution. Harry Reid does not work for Obama, nor does he work with him. Reid works for those folks back home who elected him, and works for the citizens of the US who overall pay his salary. Democrats will act like Democrats, and Republicans will act like Democrats too. In fact, the tax spending Republicans give drunken sailors a good name. When Republicans are confirming Hill with the notion that its a positive direction for Obama's administration, then those same Republicans need to have their heads examined, if they even have one. You can dress up a mule like a show horse, but you've still gotta a mule.
Tim| 1.16.09 @ 11:45AM
Generally, I have no problem with a worker's right to form or join a union in their workplace.
But, you look at what the AFL-CIO--and Obama do with the "Card Check" law they want to inact.
Simple, no secret ballot election period. Total control for the Union executives, bypassing the union members who pay their salaries.
Do you see a connection here.....Leave the tax payers out of it and let a few Ivy School big shots in DC call all the shots on how they use our money.
Big Labor, Big Goverment, Dem or Rep spells, major trouble for the constitution and the American people and our so called liberty.
...and yes....Some Republicans have let us down big time.
WR Tolkas| 1.16.09 @ 12:50PM
You are on the money Len. Also notice that the Democrats are trying to bring back the draft! I wonder if all those younger Obama-voters are reconsidering their choices.
Batman| 1.16.09 @ 1:36PM
Republicans just don't get it--when you lose 2 election cycles in a row, you get fired just like the losing football/basketball/baseball/hockey coach. Where is the sense of accountability for such an abysmal record?
Robert Rosencrans| 1.16.09 @ 1:49PM
Watching Senator Lindsey Graham kiss Obama's ass recently during a visit to Pakistan, was like watching a Democrat be a Democrat.
During a BBC interview, Rick Davis, McCain campaign finance manager, was quoted as stating that Rush Limbaugh and his stand on illegal immigration was the principle cause of McCain's campaign loss. This is the second slam on Limbaugh. Colin Powell was the first to eschew such a sullied view of things. What a crock.
McCain has been watching Democrats be Democrats for so long, watching McCain is like watching a Democrat.
Get your binoculars and dosey-doh! There is so much to look forward to as the Republicans have learned little about politics, too much by watching Democrats, and next to nothing about the right thing to do.
In the meantime, here's a quote from Senator Graham that leaves little to ponder. He's a Washingtonian now.
http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/graham_obama/2009/01/14/171439.html
A confidant of the man Barack Obama defeated in November said Wednesday that the president-elect has earned enormous global good will and "a moment in time" to re-engage other nations with the United States.
The assessment by Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., was noteworthy because he is a conservative Republican and one of Sen. John McCain's closest friends. Graham campaigned vigorously against Obama in last year's presidential race.
Noting himself that he had been "one of the chief opponents" of Obama, Graham pronounced himself now "very pleased" with the president-elect's attitude and policies toward the countries they visited.
Tim| 1.16.09 @ 2:38PM
This is going to get some folks real mad.......
and I only mean it to illustrate my point......but
perhaps Sen. Lindsey Graham feels that Obama
will be an "Uncle Tom" while he is in the White House?
It is harsh I know, but I can't think of any other reason why Graham would flip as fast as he has.
Mind you, I don't personally think Obama will do the bidding of his masters, I actually think he and his closest associates believe they are the new masters as well as they should...since he did get elected by the majority of the voters give or take less two million or so stolen Acorn votes nevertheless, he would have won anyway.
The fact is, as much as I think Obama is a sham and a phony, I don't think he will kiss anyone's behind except the Clintons because he does fear them and well he should....ask Vincent Foster.
Pat| 1.16.09 @ 4:17PM
"Democrats will be Democrats" - "Republicans will be Republicans" - more vapid enlightenment from the conservative press. Rationalizing failure gets boring over time, even die-hards get tired of the same old hackneyed phrases explaining why Republicans are losers; "noble" losers, but still losers.
When will the election results sink in and the denials stop? The electorate, as a whole, no longer supports the cherished ideals of conservatism and maybe it's time to accept that reality. As a minority viewpoint segment, conservatives could wish for better representation than the Republican Party, now and in coming years.
The time may not be the present, but some time during Obama's 8 year reign, a new political party may coalesce around the remnants of conservative voters. However, reading what daily passes for the conservative press, today is not that day.
Len | 1.16.09 @ 4:30PM
Viable Alternatives?
http://www.americafirstparty.org/
http://www.selfgovernment.us/
http://jeffersonrepublicanparty.com/
Steve| 1.16.09 @ 4:57PM
The nation chose a democrat instead of democrat light which was what McCain was. Conservative ideals are far from dead and the recent abandonment of them by the Republican Party sends a message that they need to get back on track or they have little to offer. I speak primarily of fiscal irresponsibility, which has led to massive government spending that everyone seems OK with since there are few left to voice opposition. Unchecked spending is result and the waste will be unimaginable.
macdaddy| 1.16.09 @ 5:16PM
Amen Mr. Antle and Amen Steve. The GOP's ideas won't see the light of the teleprompter, so their best bet is to vote "No" on everything so the Democrats own it all. If we honestly believe that their ideas won't work and that we are powerless to stop them, then let them own the coming catastrophe. There is no need for the GOP to give any type of cover for Obama's ruinous policies. Alas, pigs will fly first.
Jeremiah| 1.16.09 @ 5:31PM
The Republican Congress that Bush had until 06 was simply the least responsible, least effective, least competent governing body I've ever seen.
They were a mindless rubber stamp for Bush's policies and exercised none of the Constitutionally mandated oversight for which there were responsible.
While it looks like Obama's going to get a considerable honey-moon with the press and the Congress, I very much doubt Democrats will be the contemptible, weak, sodden, poodlish servants the Republicans were.
New concept: Congress is a CO-EQUAL branch of government, and you'll not see Democrats falling for any "unitary executive" Orwell stuff either.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 12:27AM
Tim,
since when did union members pay executive salaries? it's not direct, you know.
union members pay dues.
consumers and stockholders pay salaries.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 12:31AM
be nice to close the border so companies would have to automate much more than they do.
but we'll have to consult a FUTURIST
James V. Yardley III| 1.17.09 @ 2:44AM
A third party? I'd support the concept if it were serious and not simply a means for another Ross Perot to massage his ego. We already have a George Soros and Michael Bloomberg to fill the role.
But a third party to seriously impact the House and Senate is something to be considered. Americans have historically been comfortable with the idea of the Congress being of one party and the President being of the other. If a third party were to garner about 25 Senate seats and 125 House seats, then whoever we elect President would have only a working minority in Congress. Not a bad situation. In addition, we would never have to deal with a party (and this applies to both Democrats and Republicans) with a clear majority in one or both houses creating rules that virtually eliminate the representation of large numbers of Americans who voted for their opponents. Politicians need to be constantly reminded that they are in fact employees, not aristocrats. And "temp" employees at that!
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 10:18AM
temp is right
though paying taxes is unpleasant, i fear those at the bottom more
a politico doesnt break into houses
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 10:21AM
that is to say term limits is something am concerned about more and more, but crime is worrying.
disruptive skeptic| 1.17.09 @ 10:57AM
And now Mr Rosencrans, the evidence.Rush and his ilk go into full anti imigrant mode. The diatribes are taped and translated into Spanish. The are then blared relentlessly on Hispanic tv, radio . Republicans lose Hispanic vote big time. Duh! Limbaugh is a VOTEKILLER !
Robert Rosencrans| 1.17.09 @ 11:09AM
For the dubious and the uninformed, for the experienced trolls and for those who blame Rush Limbaugh, let's look at the facts.
Obama won by approximately 6 million votes. There are between 12 to 15 million black voters in this country and over 90% voted for Barack Obama.
Instead of focusing on inane and unsubstantiated reasoning which leads to idiotic assumptions like the Limbaugh Loss Theory, it's better to concentrate on the facts.
There were around 10 million Hispanic voters. Seventy two percent of them voted for Obama and helped him flip four key states. Forget the fact that many were most likely illegal aliens and voted anyway.
Now, how many of those people listened to Rush Limbaugh? Most likely little to none.
No, the Republican candidate failed because he was the white Barack Obama with one major exception, the War in Iraq.
Now that the election results have settled down, Barack has become McCain in that respect behind the scenes although he continues to downplay that aspect in public.
The election was simply poorly executed by the McCain staff. You can't blame that on anyone but them.
Three million votes is all McCain needed and he did little to get the edge.
Gazinya| 1.17.09 @ 11:15AM
Who in the House of Representatives was not elected just two months ago? How many NEW senators do we have? Come on, lets be honest about this. WE THE PEOPLE have allowed this royal screwing. Idle threats against these criminals is truly 'water on a ducks back'. As a people we can sit at our computers, it is what I do, or we can get INVOLVED. We can start at the local level. How about the school board, city council, county supervisor anything where there is an election involved. If you belong to a church get your church to support you. Take a chance that the STATE will tighten the noose we have allowed to strangle our churchs with a tax exemption lolipop. We have to throw off all these sugar daddys. Get real or get dragged.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 11:50AM
Disruptive Skeptic (cripes, what a moniker):
perhaps Republicans shouldn't want certain hispanic voters voting for them if those hispanics would be so turned off by el Rushbo translated into spanish that they would vote Dem.
dunno.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 11:58AM
... because those hispanics could be considered unreliable in supporting increased border control.
maybe those hispanics just want more of their family and friends to eventually become citizens and thus voters and so they can also vote for Republicans who don't want tighter border control.
Tim| 1.17.09 @ 1:36PM
Who would have ever thought that the USA would ever embrace free market capitalism after the debackle of the, economic crash of 1929, the great depression and the full assault on capitalism by home grown 1930-40's socialist movements in the USA that were copycat movements that were ongoing around the world at the time, ie, the Bolshevics, and many others.
If memory serves me right, Reagan ushered in free market capitalism in the 1980's----and the bedrock principles last even today.
Obviousely, greed, corruption and other nasty forces have created a temporary glitch in the works. This needs to be fixed no question.
But to suggest that the majority of Americans will ultimately give up on free market principles is a leap.
Because even a person who is struggling today will want a chance of making a fortune tommorow as apposed to forever being no better then his neighbor.
That is why socialism doesn't work and has never worked long term.....people want to excel and rebel when they are held down by goverments or individuals.
That is what the Human Spirit is all about!
disruptive skeptive| 1.17.09 @ 2:20PM
Dear Rosencrans, living in whitebread isolation as you do , it may have escaped you that there is media beyond the MSM, Fox, and talk radio. Hispanics can now do more than cook tortillas, pick lettuce,and clean toilets. They actually can run businesses like radio and tv stations and papers. They broadcast in spainish, and the owners , and show hosts have a political bias the favors guess which political party ? Anyhow, the only thing they know about Limbaugh is what they tell them about Limbaugh. And, SURPRISE, it is not flattering. He is presented as the voice of the republican party, and the anti latino, anti immigrant diatribe is translated and presented to the audience. None of this is fair and balanced, but we are talkin bout democrats, remember. And they win, win, win. Only four states you say ? How do we fix that ? Add 4 more states ? Is that constitutional ? Hey we may see a few more states after the next census. Guess who will be controlling that this time around ? Guess what color they will be ? Remember the 2000 census fight? Some of those RINOS were a great help in our having an honest and constitutional census. They're gone now. Gonna miss 'em dudes, you really are.
Pat| 1.17.09 @ 3:18PM
Republican apologists are content to scribble their basic and well-loved theme of: "Republicans are OK - Democrats are not OK". But, the election results should be a wake-up call for American conservatives and prompt some healthy introspection. What's wrong with the Republican Party?
First, fewer and fewer voters believe in their message (but not their practice) of small government with minimal interference in the life of the average citizen. A sermon about as stale and boring a message as a 1950's laundry detergent commercial. Many within the electorate don't want a passive government - why would they? The Democrats have offered maximum personal freedom with minimum economic risk. Do what you want and if things don't work out the way you planned, look to the govt. for assistance. When you think about it, that's not a bad offer - far better than stand on your own two feet, take responsibility for your life, don't expect to live off the efforts of other citizens. This message of maximum freedom for minimum effort resonates with the electorate in ways the Republicans haven't been able to match.
Republicans have tried to find a middle ground to stop the bleeding - it hasn't worked, in fact it's worked about as well as General Motors' marketing plans. Conservatives need to face reality - nobody has confidence in GM, nobody has confidence in the Republican Party. Fewer Americans are buying Chevys and Buicks, GM's buyers are aging, they can't attract the younger folks to their showrooms, their strategy to beat the Japanese has failed, no intelligent person believes they will ever recover their former glory.
GM, Chrysler, the Republican Party - America's dinosaurs holding on for dear life but constantly losing ground. Should conservatives embrace the American style socialism of the Democrats and their loyal supporters? Of course not (and who believes we'll actually be given a choice), but why keep pretending the majority of American voters will someday return to the fold?
GM will never regain their 70% share of the American car market, they need to find a profitable niche, content with a much smaller market share but one that serves them into the future. Conservatives need to create a political party which is also content with a smaller market share - but one that fiercely protects their interests. America has changed irrevocably, the principles of 1776 are as unwanted as the philosophy of the ancient Greeks by the greater majority.
Second, third and ninety-sixth, the Republican Party has many additional faults which need to be critically evaluated by conservatives and spoken out loud - constantly, stridently and with brutal honesty. The dream and promise of America is over, it's time to find a new equilibrium that works within the diverse, multi-cultural society conservatives and their children will be forced to inhabit whether they like it or not.
Alan Brooks| 1.17.09 @ 3:48PM
Pat,
superb comment. puts my jots to shame.
but not only diverse and multicultural, also coarse and unharmonious.
Jeremiah| 1.17.09 @ 4:35PM
Robert Rosencrans --
Anything you can do to contribute to the race theory explanation of Obama's win is a big help.
Traditionally, explaining people's actions by appealing to racial stereotypes has an excellent success rate. Look at the Third Reich, for instance.
Jeremiah| 1.17.09 @ 4:40PM
Tim --
If memory serves, "free market" capitalism existed in the U.S. before Reagan.
It was the cause of the Depression and near-socialist revolution.
Before government protections against busting markets were put in place, people were simply exposed to the harshest whims of the market: if food prices fluctuated, even only a few percentage points, for example, entire communities were liable to be plunged into poverty.
At any rate -- there is less of a free market now than there was in the 1800s, when this country was a piddling third world power. Like it or not, Reagan and both Bushes were no more committed to free markets than anyone else -- unless by free market you mean the crony-capitalism that led to -- say -- billions in no-bid contracts during W's term.
disruptive skeptic| 1.17.09 @ 5:06PM
Pat, one tiny flaw in your reasoning does exist. This notion about democrats and maximum personal freedom is not true. Sure it is true if you are talking about sex, drugs, rock n'roll, and freeloading but have you ever looked beyond these items. Do you really believe they believe in the second ammendment. The enviro nuts want to ban cookouts in your back yard, pick your mode of transport, size of your home, lightbulbs, what materials your attire can be made from, where your coffee beans and 2x4's come from, well you get it. Shall we even get into trial lawyers and the freedomtaking they have put upon us. True if you want to have sex out in the open in some park, if you want that freedom the dems are for you, but if you want to grill a steak, look out , really lookout. It is exactly the freedom denying that opens the door for a viable second party. I have read some psychology on a disorder called ' obsessive compulsive personality disorder". Not OCD like that Monk fella. It describes ultra control freaks. I thought this is the liberals. This is Pelosi and the rest. I mean this type will anger alot of people if they go too far. All the republicans need to do is to offer a better social contract than the dems. One that blends public and private to protect an individual and his family against death, sickness and disability, unemployment and old age. Their solution is a Ponzi scheme that'll fail. Why can't republicans offer a better deal ? The truth is we don't give a s*it about the poor and low earners to come up with such a plan. We get all fuming over a piddling minimum wage increase, and most of all honoring and protecting the super rich at all costs. Huckabee had a handle on this and guess who called him a socialist.
dcc| 1.17.09 @ 7:40PM
I hear plenty of talk about a a new party but what would it stand for? You could split the republicans between the fiscals and the socials but one group will need to find some common ground with conservative democrats.
Because only one party can win the presidency there will never be a viable third party, only 2 major parties and the rest are irrelevent.
Tim| 1.17.09 @ 8:00PM
Jer-
Obviousely Free Market Capitalism existed before Reagan and will exist after Obama.
I stated that greed and corruption on all sides has at times messed up the works for long periods of time.
But my main point was that given the chance, the "majority" of US citizens will choose Free Market capitalism over Socialism every day of the week and twise on sunday as the old saying goes.
Obviousely we are in a period now where greed and corruption robbed the Free Market system of its purity. Once we come out of this.....the US citizens will pick free markets once again.
It's the only system that allows regular folks to move from lower class up top the next level and the next....etc.
Jeremiah| 1.17.09 @ 8:33PM
Tim --
Greed "robbed the market of its purity"?
If the market were pure, greed could not have robbed it of anyting.
Markets generate enormous beneficial wealth, beyond question.
However, when a society comes to see markets as an end in themselves rather than a means to an end, then the amoral forces and appetites that drive markets become dominant: your society, in other words, turns into a big casino / brothel / prison.
Markets need to be kept firmly in their subservient place, or moral insanity erupts.
It never ceases to amaze me that the same people who complain about the immoral nature of -- say -- popular culture or television at the same time propound the holy benificence of the free market.
Pornagraphy is a product of free markets; Marilyn Manson or what you will are products of free markets. Hollywood? Hollywood has NOTHING to do with liberalism: it's the perfect model of capitalism. Buy low (camera, actors, film) sell high (box office receipts).
You may think I'm talking socialist. Actually, it's just good old fashioned 19th century conservatism, which was a reaction against what was then viewed as the horrifying destructive power of markets to traditional culture.
Jeremiah| 1.17.09 @ 8:49PM
One other thing, Tim --
Greed is a pre-capitalist vice unrecognized by capitalists. To the capitalist, all exploitation is inherently good: you extract value from stuff and from people in any way you can, maximizing profit as much as possible. That is the only true good.
To the capitalist, "greed" is just a term of resentment, something the poor attribute to the rich.
(Curiously, Marxists believe the same thing. They don't see market activity as having any virtue or vice whatoever; rather, all market activity is overdetermined by historical forces and relationships among the means of production. Extremes meet.)
Tim| 1.17.09 @ 10:43PM
Jer-
Free market capitalists.....are not all devoid of a conscience in my opinion.
The problem is that the general breakdown in society's ethical and moral standards has hurt all of our institutions and cities and towns including our economic system.
Obviousely, when ethical standards decline they decline everywhere including in the halls of congress and in our corporate boardrooms.
Fix the ethical and moral problem and the Free Market system will take care of itself as will churches, schools, and neighborhoods.
True, that as a general rule and too often the "Survival of the fittest" side of Free markets takes over with a fury and the end product is often times reduced to canabilism.
But it starts with people and their behavior.....if people have ethics and morals, then they will act accordingly even as free market capitalists.
I don't buy this notion that "free market capitalism" somehow makes people evil or forces them to act without any ethics, morals or any good will toward a fellow human being.
Good people make good and fair minded capitalists....bad people....don't!
ddd| 1.18.09 @ 12:22AM
The free marjet is just an efficient means of resource allocation, and efficiency results in profit.
Today the profits are source large and concentrated, that it is less a question of good and bad but how much temptation can be resisted.
To paraphrase churchill, we already know what kind of people we are now we're just haggling over the price.
Robert Rosencrans| 1.18.09 @ 7:02AM
Jeremiah and Disruptive Skeptive: I simply told you the facts about the voting patterns. If you perceive them as racist events you reveal yourselves as liberals. Only liberals love victim identity politics and reducing every society more to that of a trade off between gender and race. As far as the Third Reich, they were a socialist movement, hanging onto power like the Democrats in America today.
Tim| 1.18.09 @ 10:37AM
The topic was "Loyal Opposition"
Why aren't we(the main street media) up in arms that during these very bleak economic times, a record shattering $150 million is being spent on this Obama week-end leading up to Tuesday's big take over day?
Then when asked, the answer is that the people don't mind because it is a celebration of our shared values........
This is rich, especially coming from the same people that go around telling all of us how bad, wasteful, greedy and inept our leaders, and corporate giants are and have been.
One thing is certain, this "in your face" hypocracy
should make it easier to form and sustain the Loyal opposition even for some of our rather spineless politicians.
Kind of like......Venezuela's Chavez ordering students tear gassed for simply protesting his President for life undemocratic socialist rule.
We are not there yet...... but the Loyal Opposition just needs to make sure that we never are!
Jeremiah| 1.18.09 @ 1:29PM
Tim --
I agree that markets generate great wealth; but think about those things in your life that give it meaning. How many of those things are found in market exchanges?
Family, church, art, philosophy, friendship: all of these things are not only to be found outside of relationships based on profit and loss, but positively against those relations.
Markets turn people into things to be manipulated and used. Those aspects of culture that see people as ends-in-themselves, rather than as means to an end, are staunchily set apart from markets, "free" or otherwise.
Often when government (or other societal institutions) intervene in or protect people from market forces, they are creating an opportunity in which people can form the relationships with one another that give their life the most meaning.
Consider even "conservative" ideas about gay marriage: from a strict, capitalist perspective, their should be nothing wrong with two people pooling their resources by legal arrangement.
However, marriage transcends any of its economic obligations: it forms a crucial matrix of social cohesion that extends beyond the individual home and into the community. It is for these reasons that people offer their (sometimes inchoate) objections to gay marriage.
Patscholar| 1.18.09 @ 5:24PM
Methinks Jeremiah is a communist - There is no such thing as a "free market" anywhere anymore so arguing as if there is is setting up a straw man. All markets are highly regulated as is the US market. Relatively free markets create vast wealth for most anyone who is willing to work and produce - the only people left behind are the welfare consumers. Capitalism as practiced in the world today does not exploit people, people exploit people and that certainly goes for Jeremiah who must be a Soros troll, otherwise how could he spend so much time posting on a conservative site where most bloggers pay virtually no attention whatsoever to most of his blather.
Jeremiah| 1.18.09 @ 6:34PM
Patscholar --
Your scholarship is pat, indeed.
No market ever has been "free." The idea is lunatic if taken literally: rather, the "free market" is a theoretic, like the "state of nature" in political philosophy.
If the market were free, the result would be a kind of planetary Las Vegas, free of morals, free of art, free of education, free of meaning, family, friendship, and future.
As to your lame insults, I haven't any response. They drain a person of wit to read them.
Patscholar| 1.18.09 @ 10:56PM
Only a half wit is drained by the truth and your pathetic response to my post shows that is exactly what you are. Go on back to Moveon.org where you will at least not be considered a complete fool.
Gerard Jackson| 1.19.09 @ 1:03AM
Most of the comments on economics, particularly with respect to free markets and the nature of profits, display a considerable degree of ignorance. So why doesn’t the Spectator publish a regular column exposing economic fallacies while explaining how markets work?
Gerry Jackson
Brookesnews’ economics editor
www.brookesnews.com
ruth| 1.19.09 @ 1:51AM
Of course Jeremiah is a communist, Interloper and SLT, too. They are Soros tools still working for Obama's misinformation campaign. Alinskybots all.
Tim| 1.19.09 @ 10:28AM
Gerard,
Economic ignorance aside,
The "simple" explanation to how this is supposed to work is that....
If you allow markets the freedom to interact with each other, the increased productivity, energy and streamlined approach will greatly help those that help themselves.
Free Markets were designed to benefit the whole of society through hard work and those that are not afraid of good old fashion but "honest" competition.
Now, I will agree and have always believed that greed and corruption have hurt this system but not because the system is bad but that people with no conscience, no positive ethical base and crapy morals have caused the problem through their actions.
No different then why Social security is in such a mess or the public school system is a disgrace in many of our larger cities. Both were good ideas that greed and corruption destroyed.
So when we see things unfolding we should focus on the people and not the institutions.
We don't need the American Spectater to write a weekly economic article to tell us that when people act poorly bad things happen.....that's just common sense.
btenney| 1.19.09 @ 3:59PM
The Country survived Johnson and Carter. The Obama Administration will be a festering sore on Americas Backside but will heal in time when this crop of voters gains alittle maturity. Think of this as just an Imaginary Presidency. When Obama tires of his new toy, normallcy will return.
Michigan-Matt| 1.19.09 @ 8:48PM
btenney --while we all wait for the sores to heal, let's sing a collective rendition of "Puff the Magic Dragon"?
Ooops, I guess that's already been tried, eh?
Michele San Pietro| 1.20.09 @ 3:27PM
I hope Republicans will be able to be a good and right opposition. After the election of an impostor like Bill Clinton, there was definitely need for a harder opposition, but Obama is someone else.
Carl Latorre| 1.22.09 @ 7:33PM
I wish the Republican Party would remember what brought them into power. Conservatism. I do believe that they are paying attention to the main stream media hipe. PLEASE STOP IT
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