What does Barack Obama's surprise choice as CIA director mean for
the future of American intelligence?
Barack Obama's choice of Leon Panetta, the former congressman who
went on to serve as chief of staff for President Clinton, to head
the Central Intelligence Agency has members of the intelligence
community scratching their heads.
To defenders of the choice, Panetta's reputation as a competent
manager and loyalty to Obama may help to shake up the agency and
keep it from undermining the White House. But several ex-CIA
officials contacted by TAS greeted the pick with
trepidation.
"Everybody is shocked and concerned about his lack of any
intelligence experience," a former senior officer at the CIA told
TAS, asking that his name be withheld because he still
does some work with the agency. "What kind of signal is this
sending?"
One fear the ex-official raised is that the pick is an indication
that Obama, like President Clinton before him, does not have much
of an interest in intelligence. Another possibility is that
Panetta can be a repeat of the failed tenures of Stansfield
Turner under Jimmy Carter and John Deutch under Clinton -- both
of whom were outsiders brought in to reform the agency.
Initially, John Brennan, who had a strong intelligence
background, was seen as the leading candidate to head the agency
under Obama, but he withdrew his name from consideration after
coming under fire from liberals, who associated him with Bush
administration detention and interrogation policies. Panetta has
been a fierce critic of such practices.
To skeptics, the fact that interrogation policy played such a
crucial role in the selection process indicates that the incoming
administration may not understand the broader scope of the
agency's responsibilities.
"People think the left-wing bloggers are running the asylum now,"
the ex-CIA official lamented. "They want to completely neuter the
agency."
However, he noted that if Stephen Kappes were to remain as deputy
director to run the day-to-day functions of the agency, it would
be a reassuring signal to the rank and file.
An additional source of confusion resulting from the appointment
is what Panetta's role would be relative to retired Admiral
Dennis Blair, who has been chosen as director of national
intelligence, a position created in the wake of the September 11
attack to oversee all intelligence agencies.
"When he was chief of staff, Panetta was the gate keeper who
controlled the president's schedule," explained another former
CIA official. "I find it very difficult to believe that he would
be at ease reporting to or through Admiral Blair. Who's in
charge? Is the director of the CIA in charge of the final product
that reaches the president? Or is the Office of National
Intelligence?"
To this former official, the nation would have been better served
if Obama had appointed somebody who had CIA field experience, who
understood the institutional culture, and who is apolitical,
rather than a Democratic Party loyalist who may only tell the
president what he wants to hear.
In contrast, Ken deGraffenreid, who was a senior intelligence
official in the Reagan White House and also at the Department of
Defense during the current Bush administration, presented a
critical assessment of the state of the CIA. A significant
portion of his workload at the Pentagon involved trying to undo
many of the things the CIA did to weaken the Bush administration,
deGraffenreid said, including leaking intelligence reports to the
media that undermined the administration's foreign policy. This
is how deGraffenreid sees the Panetta move making sense for
Obama.
"If you put a loyalist in there who runs things, maybe he is in a
position to block some of the shenanigans that the CIA pulls," he
said. "Panetta is probably a good political move from the
perspective of protecting Obama's rear end."
According to deGraffenreid, those in the CIA have lost sight of
the fact that they're not supposed to craft foreign policy.
"They're out of constitutional control and they've become
incompetent at their basic function of getting secrets," he said.
"If the criticism of Panetta is that he does not have
intelligence experience, my answer is, so what? Let's get down to
brass tacks. Does he know what's wrong and is he going to bring
that agency under constitutional control?"
While politically speaking it may prove a savvy decision for
Obama to have Panetta at the CIA, he said that it's unclear if
either the president-elect or his choice to head the agency
understands that "it's a Herculean task to do what needs to be
done for American intelligence."
"It's unclear to me whether Obama understands the degree to which
we need intelligence in this world, because he's mostly a
domestic guy," deGraffenreid said. "From the campaign it didn't
seem that he had a very realistic understanding of the dangers in
this world."
About the Author
Philip Klein is The American Spectator's Washington correspondent. You can follow him on Twitter at: http://twitter.com/Philipaklein
What I want to know is what are the liberals going to do when the
liberal fantasy of a weakened America is fulfilled and there is
no one out there to defend America's allies?
http://www.rightklik.net/
Mr. Klein, you do a good job of showing both sides of the
question in regards to Panetta's appointment. I have been back
and forth between these two arguments myself.
The final question raised about Obama's naivety on the question
of the country's foreign enemies is a biggie for me. When one
considers that Panetta was Clinton's White House chief of staff
and Clinton never met with his own CIA chief, one does wonder
what Panetta will actually tell the Commander-in-chief.
And, Jason, you raise an excellent point. The Dems want the
country weakened both militarily and economically for their own
personal party gains. Do they not realize that a weakened America
invites more attacks? Some country will fill the void if the U.S.
is weakened. Which one might that be? China? Russia? India? None
of those options (or any others I can think of) give much
comfort.
frost| 1.9.09 @ 8:30AM
The 4th paragraph says a bunch. Yet, can't help but wonder why
Porter Goss wasn't mentioned (and, what was the REAL story behind
his exit?!?), 'cause, wasn't he supposed to clean out the
bureaucratic garbage within? The inmates are running the asylum
now, even before the confirmation of Pinetta...
God Help our (once-great) country!
Brian| 1.9.09 @ 8:38AM
Super, an incompetent, unqualified chair-warmer reporting to
incompetent, unqualified President Teleprompter.
I can't possibly see anything that could go wrong with that.
Howard| 1.9.09 @ 8:41AM
The more I read and know about CIA the more dysfunctional and
worthless these characters appear to be. They spent the last
eight years bashing Bush and his policies. Now they get the
liberal administration that these Ivy League dandies wished for
and they go wobbly. Since they seem to accomplish so little
anyways, it ultimately does not matter if Panetta or Daffy Duck
runs the Company.
Lu Dumak| 1.9.09 @ 8:44AM
Liberals never look back to see the damages of their actions.
Obama is already thinking of talking to Hamas . I guess we will
have weather more attacks i this Country.
JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 9:25AM
Let's be clear--this is Obama's sop to the Moveon.org'ers, Bill
Ayers, and the rest of the left wing swill he has associated and
aligned himself with over his political career. The agressive,
forward-leaning intelligence campaign that President Bush
launched after 9/11 is about to be yanked out of existence by
Panetta and other Obamamacans like pulling a lawn-mower cord.
Obama is expressly not making the good-gesture mistake that Bush
made by signaling intelligence was non-partisan when he kept
Clinton's Director of CIA George Tenet. That led to much of
Bush's downfall as 2nd and 3rd tier senior CIA officers loyal to
Democrats were allowed to reem the Bush Administration over and
over again through highly national security comprimising leaks to
the "patriots" at the New York Time et al.
The folks at CIA who were on the bleeding edge of executing
Bush's intelligence war on terror better wise up and hightail it
out of town--Panetta's first job will be to conduct a
Stalinist-like purge of these folks.
Then, Panetta will lead a transition to a "kinder and gentler"
intelligence operation where going to embassy cocktail parties to
recuit spys will take the place of the high-risk/high-gain
intelligence ops that have kept this country safe for the past
7.5 years. Worse yet, watch as scarce intelligence resources are
diverted to idiocy like "environmental intelligence" to placate
the climate change religious zealots.
And when this all leads to another attack on America and/or her
interests, the Obama Administration and the main stream media
will blame it all on the Bush Administration because their
policies so "alienated our enemies. "
Geez--the only way some of this can be avoided is if former Bush
Administration officials take the gloves off from day one and
broadcast loud and clear documenting what Obama's doing to
prevent some of it as well as to lay the groundwork so the
inevitable attacks/blame aren't/isn't layed at their feet.
Turning the other cheek, as Bush's Christian faith has led him to
do so often over the past 8 years, isn't an option!
frost| 1.9.09 @ 9:37AM
Good comments, JJ JR -- especially concerning Dubya's keeping
stupid George Tenent around. But I still would like to see an
explanation of the Porter Goss resignation or removal.
JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 9:43AM
For Frost: Goss came in a very experienced intelligence
professional having been a CIA Ops officer for 11 years and then
having been a member and then Chairman of the House Permanent
Select Committe on Intelligence (HPSCI). He came in in part to
rain in the disloyal 2nd and 3rd Tier officers and to put a
"field forward" mentality into the Directorate of Ops.
He made three BIG mistakes: 1) he brought with him a coterie of
snotty Hill aides who completely alienated the workforce and
advised him wrongly on many issues; 2) he made some ill-advised
internal promotions of corrupt officials (witness, Dusty Foggo,
now off to prison, who Porter promoted to the Executive
Director--basically runs the CIA day-to-day); and 3) he
completely underestimated the stamina needed to do the job (say
what you want about Tenet, but he was a bull of a workhorse).
frost| 1.9.09 @ 10:06AM
Thanks JJ JR -- was under the impression that he was going to
sweep out the entrenched bureaucrats and get some actual
efficiency in there (much like Dr. Rice was SUPPOSED to clean out
the State Department). Tenent may have been a workaholic, but
sure didn't impress me with any results.....
Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 11:07AM
To JJ JR: Not so fast there.
1) Goss brought his own people because he could trust them. Who
would you have trusted at the Agency when many were waging
all-out war on the Bush Administration?
2) Would you care to enlighten us as to the charges of Goss being
with hookers? Amazingly, those meritless criminal charges seemed
to disappear once Goss was jettisoned.
3) Tenet, by all acounts, was a very nice man but he was
overwhelmed in his position at DCI. Is it possible to be an
incompetent workhorse?
The bottom line is that the CIA is dysfunctional and has been for
quite a while. It has been a political circus for much of the
last 16 years. Goss tried to change the culture but it was the
culture that got him jettisoned.
The sad part is that there are many good people who are working
there under the present environment.
Jack Hughes| 1.9.09 @ 11:59AM
If I were to pick a CIA chief, I would choose someone who
participated in the Monica cover-up and the pedophile priest
cover-up. Great experience!!!
ncatty| 1.9.09 @ 12:07PM
9/11 was an intelligence failure. Who was fired? No one. What an
organization! Where else can you have a catastrophic failure in
your appointed task and no heads roll?
Leon Panetta, President Derelect Obama's totally inexpeienced,
unqualified nomination for the head of the CIA promises Congress
that...
HE WON'T KEEP ANY SECRETS FROM THEM
Wow. The putative head of the agency charged with keeping
operations secret...
(you're not even allowed to reveal the name of current CIA agents
by law)
... boasts he won't keep any secrets.
Holy crapolla Batman.
Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 12:26PM
To ncatty--Name one prediction the Agency has gotten right in the
last 20 years?
We forget about Able Danger and ignominy that followed Curt
Weldon who exposed our ability to identify the bad guys.
All in the name of the "New Tone". We can't offend the tender
sensitive natures of the Left while patting down 83 year old
grandmothers in airports.
Is there any reality or responsibility left in Washington DC?
ncatty| 1.9.09 @ 12:29PM
I am with you Basil.
Tokoloshe| 1.9.09 @ 12:35PM
My, my, my.
We have a lot of 'sour grape munching' here!
Keep on munchin, while Obama fixes things.
I spent six long years defending Bush fron ignorant weenie
welfare addles EUro-trash
Now my biggest two memories are
1. Following possibly the biggest Intelligence failure since ww2,
Bush did not DEMAND the head of one person. Starting with Tenent.
2. Border Agents Ramos and Campean will probly rot in jail for
the next 9 years while scum get pardons.
Once upon a time honorable people fell on their swords following
failure. Now they fall on cushy jobs, golden parachutes, massive
pensions, and multi-million dollar consultancy fees.
Michele San Pietro| 1.9.09 @ 12:56PM
Now that a "good" Democrat is the head of the CIA instead of a
"bad" Republican, the CIA becomes all of a sudden a troop of boy
scouts instead of a bunch of murderers... I think we should get
rid of such hypocrites before it is too late. In the next four
years, Panetta will definitely disclose a lot of
national-security secrets to America's enemies, and this is
simply terrible.
Stan Redmond| 1.9.09 @ 1:26PM
Obama's policy suggestions have been proven by history to be
disasterous. FDR, Johnson, Carter, Clinton, and regretably Bush's
wild spending have show pure economic and military folly.
However Obama's failures will be hidden by the mantra, "Bush's
fault."
Thom| 1.9.09 @ 1:26PM
Actually, I have not read one comment since the announcement of
Panetta's selection regarding the most dangerous aspect of
choosing a known leftist politician to head our CIA: the
already-achieved and ongoing infiltration of CIA by Chinese,
Islamist, and other enemy case officers and/or their
agents.
China has been on an unrelenting intelligence-gathering and
secrets-theft campaign for the last twenty to thirty years,
depending on the area of penetration or theft you choose to
discuss. Estimates of their officers and agents exceeds 100,000
inside the US at a given moment, from the universities to the
Pentagon, to CIA and FBI, not to mention the private sector in
various high-tech industries. Islamists began in earnest after
9/11, if you read the reports of sabotage of cases by translators
and analysts in both CIA and FBI. Along with these go the
convictions of the Chinese ring that had our officials sleeping
with female spies for years, etc.
Panetta and his supporters may not see this as a threat to our
country, or at least not in the same way that others not so
enamoured with the old Marxist-based ideas that so intoxicated
Panetta's generation might.
It is one of the most frightening aspects of the past ten years,
in my opinion. We seem to have widely accepted that we have been
penetrated and will continue to be so. We will not know the full
gravity of this era until we have a shooting war with China, as
is inevitable (over Taiwan, if nothing else), and when that
happens, we are likely to suffer catastrophic, history-bending
losses, due in large part to that penetration of our agencies and
technologies. Similarly, any mass murders of Americans, such as a
nuke detonated in a major city by Islamists, will likely be one
result of terrorist infiltration of our "protectors"
offices.
Panetta and his ilk prefer America to not be the sole,
"triumphalist" superpower, and would welcome a humbling of our
country from its present position of "hegemony". Therefore,
winking at the weakening of CIA from within and without is not
such a bad thing, in their likely opinions.
God save the United States, because this administration (or the
followers of this latest "cult of personality") do not
necessarily care to. Maybe when the merde hits le fan, we can
ring Camelot and ask for Princess Caroline to save us with her
father's heroic DNA.
JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 2:19PM
JJ JR back at y'all.
To Basile Plumley in order of your assertions/questions:
1) I have no issue with Porter bringing his own folks in, but his
choice of who he brought was just poor.
2) Don't know what in the "wild world of sport[s]" your talking
about (wish I did tho')
3) As far as Tenet (the correct spelling), his real sin was not
resigning under Clinton when he saw the utter disregard the
Clinton Administration had for the Intelligence C0mmunity's
mission and people. If he had done that, it might have shown the
light on Clinton's dereliction of duty and complete lack of
resourcing of important programs. Around 1998 would have been the
time--and the country would have had 3 years before 9/11. Tenet
was not overwhelmed--he believed he didn't have the legal
statutes in place to actually let him function as a "Secretary of
Intelligence" vice what he viewed as the largely ceremonial post
of "DCI." Recall the Vanity Fair cover in 2002 that had Bush,
Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice and Tenet on the cover. Tenet had
himself identified as the Director, CIA vice DCI--symbolic of his
belief that the DCI was a "nothing-burger" role because of the
lack of legal authorities.
To Thom: your right that the ChiComms are our greatest
peer-to-peer threat (though the Russians are now rapidly catching
up), but ya' got the wrong method as the biggest threat. It's
cyberspace--they are at war with us there.
TwentyFirstCentury American| 1.9.09 @ 3:27PM
Dear right-wing friends, do you know a polical guy called George
H.W. Bush with no CIA spy experience/knowledge once held the same
position and proved himself to be one of the best? Imagination is
more important than experience or the knowledge it provides, and
Obma and his picks have that important ingredient. To quote
Einstein, "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For
while knowledge defines all we currently know and understand,
imagination points to all we might yet discover and create."
Americans know that, that's why McCain with tons of experience,
but zero imagination lost.
I contend the CIA is doing everything they can to hold on to the
Bush tactics of illegal spying. They cannot even get intelligence
research correct which costs America the lives of many young men
and women, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent
people in Iraq. The CIA needs a makeover, they need someone who
will no longer allow crimes by our government to continue. I 100%
support Obama's choice for Panetta to lead this very
disfunctional government organization. The existing CIA, the one
for the last 8 years, clearly have disdain for middle america,
for rule of law and for doing what is right.
America Being Destroyed| 1.9.09 @ 6:32PM
Panetta, may be the wisest choice of all, the CIA is nothing more
than a bunch of criminal organised gang of super crooks and
assassins. He needs some one to cover his back.
Each of the Bush family had to murder some one to claim their
position. H W Bush, JFK, G W Bush did away with John Kennedy Jr.
To be a member of the gang you have to be willing to kill to ear
your place at the table.
We can look out for another Assassination to get Jeb Bush in the
White House, it may well be Obama. Or Caroline Kennedy.
S.L. Toddard| 1.9.09 @ 8:37PM
"Initially, John Brennan, who had a strong intelligence
background, was seen as the leading candidate to head the agency
under Obama, but he withdrew his name from consideration after
coming under fire from liberals, who associated him with Bush
administration detention and interrogation policies"
This blatant falsehood has been bandied about so much it has
become the general consensus among the MSM - ahem - "journalists"
who believe "journalism" means "the art of acting as a megaphone
for the political establishment". The reason it is promoted is
obvious - to discredit the few voices in America that still
support the Rule of Law, that still cherish our Constitution and
still feel that the rights and protections enshrined therein are
non-negotiable.
John Brennan came under fire from *civil libertarians* - not
because they unfairly "associated him with Bush administration
detention and interrogation policies", but because he
specifically *supported and defended torture and rendition*.
Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 9:05PM
JJ JR -Mea Culpa, I have just returned to the computer.
As to Goss, there were accusations made that Goss was involved in
the same activities as Foggio. Part of the accusations included
hookers. This was part of the cloud surrounding Goss leaving the
Agency.
Goss was to "investigated" for this activity. I haven't heard
anything, have you.
Rumor has it that Kappes-Pillar-McGovern-et al. hung a banner
after Goss left which said ....... "Mission Accomplished".
Thom-very good post. I worry that Los Alamos and Livermore will
be re-open for business.
jim| 1.9.09 @ 9:45PM
Tokoloshe | 1.9.09 @ 12:35PM
My, my, my.
We have a lot of 'sour grape munching' here!
Keep on munchin, while Obama fixes things.
IGNORNACE is BLISS !
Trogluddite| 1.9.09 @ 11:15PM
...Panetta's ... loyalty to Obama ... means that intelligence
will be politicized and there will always be a Federal employee
to throw under the bus after the Agency follows the directions
they get from the White House to ensure that the Dear leader is
not tainted by the logical consequences of the decisions his team
makes.
Robert Rosencrans| 1.10.09 @ 8:12AM
When CIA employees aren't being encouraged to make quilts like
they were under Clinton (True story) they will be encouraged to
engage in other self loathing techniques. It will become just
another version of Hate America First, if it hasn't already.
gazinya| 1.10.09 @ 12:57PM
It would seem The Obama didn't get out much while palling around
with the Chicago mob. Since all of his 'New Ideas, New Vision'
team is the same incompetents from the Clinton days it would seem
O lacks imagination. Watching The Obama want to jump in with both
feet on spending our way to prosperity and 'one pres at a time'
on foriegn affairs his focus on what HE thinks is important is
limited to 'changing the USA to a socialist state. Maybe that is
how he plans to make nice with our enemies.
Political Crooks Rule| 1.10.09 @ 3:22PM
We speak about One World Order, one world Global economy. Global
Banking system, if that is the case, you only need one set of
crooks, to rob every one of their investments. The Banking crisis
proves my point clearly.
Satans Kingdom is EXPOSED| 1.10.09 @ 3:41PM
Obama has engaged all the enemies of the state, to destroy
America and finish off an empire already on its knees monetarily,
economically, morally, and socially.
If Americans have been dumb down enough he has nothing to fear.
Obama has been selected to find out the levels of madness amongst
the American people.
Genocide is being exposed, American state terrorism being
exposed, who runs the planet that has created animal extinctions,
plant extinctions, pollutions, cancer forming Uranium bombings,
to kill the children of the future, poisonous gasses to cause
autism, occult sacrifices of children kidnapped all across
America, to feed the AIPAC occult societies.
ruth| 1.10.09 @ 8:55PM
I feel much better now--imagination will save us!
Alan Brooks| 1.10.09 @ 9:25PM
Yeah Daffy its our fault not yours. your country is soooo
innocent.
Jack Hughes mentions a pedophile priest coverup. but being a
molester isnt wrong if youre Michael Jackson-- then you dont
really have to cover up you just pay the boy's family off, say,
like.
This is now the 21st century and we are liberating ourselves from
outmoded puritanical mindsets. Its a brave new world.
Liberal Mark| 1.10.09 @ 11:09PM
It's odd you kooks complain about Panetta and dont say a word
about George Tenent and his "Slam Dunk". Kinda odd!
Why is it that a liberal always want to change the conversation.
Hey, Liberal Mark, we had no great love for Tenent (Clinton
holdover) either, but you see, this isn't the topic.
Alan Brooks| 1.11.09 @ 12:55PM
its the past, marky baby, tenent is history. lets moveon to
Now.
9 days to Obama's intel. dont ball it up dudes. gotta be on the
ball, boy.
turn and
face the strain
ch ch ch changes.
Marc Jeric| 1.11.09 @ 2:28PM
Panetta - the CIA chief? That far-left operative who defended the
disbarred felon Clinton by besmirching his accusers; he believes
that terrorists are legitimate fighters who should be defended by
the ACLU and judged by Clintonista judges. And, of course, those
subhuman monsters should be compensated by multi-million dollar
fines against Bush Administration.
Bush, a typical Republican "gentleman", left those 6,000 Clinton
appointees in the government (including CIA) to destroy his
administration, often by directly helping the terrorists, instead
of performing a giant purge.
My hope is that soon we will witness the nepharious influence of
Abu Hussein from Kenya and his marxist revolutionaries on the
health and prosperity of this unfortunate nation.
Michele San Pietro| 1.11.09 @ 5:16PM
George Bush sr. was a great leader of the CIA. Leon Panetta will
definitely be a very bad one.
Alan Brooks| 1.11.09 @ 6:58PM
so Panetta's interim head of CIA?
yep. must be. they come and go.
Wil| 1.12.09 @ 9:32PM
Hopefully Americans will be able to find a good solid middle its
time to stop bickering and figure America out and the truth is
both sides are going to have to make comprimises. I hope that
Obama will be wise enough to listen to his conservative
countrymen.
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Deborah| 1.9.09 @ 7:01AM
Mr. Klein, you do a good job of showing both sides of the question in regards to Panetta's appointment. I have been back and forth between these two arguments myself.
The final question raised about Obama's naivety on the question of the country's foreign enemies is a biggie for me. When one considers that Panetta was Clinton's White House chief of staff and Clinton never met with his own CIA chief, one does wonder what Panetta will actually tell the Commander-in-chief.
And, Jason, you raise an excellent point. The Dems want the country weakened both militarily and economically for their own personal party gains. Do they not realize that a weakened America invites more attacks? Some country will fill the void if the U.S. is weakened. Which one might that be? China? Russia? India? None of those options (or any others I can think of) give much comfort.
frost| 1.9.09 @ 8:30AM
The 4th paragraph says a bunch. Yet, can't help but wonder why Porter Goss wasn't mentioned (and, what was the REAL story behind his exit?!?), 'cause, wasn't he supposed to clean out the bureaucratic garbage within? The inmates are running the asylum now, even before the confirmation of Pinetta...
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Brian| 1.9.09 @ 8:38AM
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Howard| 1.9.09 @ 8:41AM
The more I read and know about CIA the more dysfunctional and worthless these characters appear to be. They spent the last eight years bashing Bush and his policies. Now they get the liberal administration that these Ivy League dandies wished for and they go wobbly. Since they seem to accomplish so little anyways, it ultimately does not matter if Panetta or Daffy Duck runs the Company.
Lu Dumak| 1.9.09 @ 8:44AM
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JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 9:25AM
Let's be clear--this is Obama's sop to the Moveon.org'ers, Bill Ayers, and the rest of the left wing swill he has associated and aligned himself with over his political career. The agressive, forward-leaning intelligence campaign that President Bush launched after 9/11 is about to be yanked out of existence by Panetta and other Obamamacans like pulling a lawn-mower cord.
Obama is expressly not making the good-gesture mistake that Bush made by signaling intelligence was non-partisan when he kept Clinton's Director of CIA George Tenet. That led to much of Bush's downfall as 2nd and 3rd tier senior CIA officers loyal to Democrats were allowed to reem the Bush Administration over and over again through highly national security comprimising leaks to the "patriots" at the New York Time et al.
The folks at CIA who were on the bleeding edge of executing Bush's intelligence war on terror better wise up and hightail it out of town--Panetta's first job will be to conduct a Stalinist-like purge of these folks.
Then, Panetta will lead a transition to a "kinder and gentler" intelligence operation where going to embassy cocktail parties to recuit spys will take the place of the high-risk/high-gain intelligence ops that have kept this country safe for the past 7.5 years. Worse yet, watch as scarce intelligence resources are diverted to idiocy like "environmental intelligence" to placate the climate change religious zealots.
And when this all leads to another attack on America and/or her interests, the Obama Administration and the main stream media will blame it all on the Bush Administration because their policies so "alienated our enemies. "
Geez--the only way some of this can be avoided is if former Bush Administration officials take the gloves off from day one and broadcast loud and clear documenting what Obama's doing to prevent some of it as well as to lay the groundwork so the inevitable attacks/blame aren't/isn't layed at their feet. Turning the other cheek, as Bush's Christian faith has led him to do so often over the past 8 years, isn't an option!
frost| 1.9.09 @ 9:37AM
Good comments, JJ JR -- especially concerning Dubya's keeping stupid George Tenent around. But I still would like to see an explanation of the Porter Goss resignation or removal.
JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 9:43AM
For Frost: Goss came in a very experienced intelligence professional having been a CIA Ops officer for 11 years and then having been a member and then Chairman of the House Permanent Select Committe on Intelligence (HPSCI). He came in in part to rain in the disloyal 2nd and 3rd Tier officers and to put a "field forward" mentality into the Directorate of Ops.
He made three BIG mistakes: 1) he brought with him a coterie of snotty Hill aides who completely alienated the workforce and advised him wrongly on many issues; 2) he made some ill-advised internal promotions of corrupt officials (witness, Dusty Foggo, now off to prison, who Porter promoted to the Executive Director--basically runs the CIA day-to-day); and 3) he completely underestimated the stamina needed to do the job (say what you want about Tenet, but he was a bull of a workhorse).
frost| 1.9.09 @ 10:06AM
Thanks JJ JR -- was under the impression that he was going to sweep out the entrenched bureaucrats and get some actual efficiency in there (much like Dr. Rice was SUPPOSED to clean out the State Department). Tenent may have been a workaholic, but sure didn't impress me with any results.....
Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 11:07AM
To JJ JR: Not so fast there.
1) Goss brought his own people because he could trust them. Who would you have trusted at the Agency when many were waging all-out war on the Bush Administration?
2) Would you care to enlighten us as to the charges of Goss being with hookers? Amazingly, those meritless criminal charges seemed to disappear once Goss was jettisoned.
3) Tenet, by all acounts, was a very nice man but he was overwhelmed in his position at DCI. Is it possible to be an incompetent workhorse?
The bottom line is that the CIA is dysfunctional and has been for quite a while. It has been a political circus for much of the last 16 years. Goss tried to change the culture but it was the culture that got him jettisoned.
The sad part is that there are many good people who are working there under the present environment.
Jack Hughes| 1.9.09 @ 11:59AM
If I were to pick a CIA chief, I would choose someone who participated in the Monica cover-up and the pedophile priest cover-up. Great experience!!!
ncatty| 1.9.09 @ 12:07PM
9/11 was an intelligence failure. Who was fired? No one. What an organization! Where else can you have a catastrophic failure in your appointed task and no heads roll?
Jack Bauer| 1.9.09 @ 12:21PM
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Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 12:26PM
To ncatty--Name one prediction the Agency has gotten right in the last 20 years?
We forget about Able Danger and ignominy that followed Curt Weldon who exposed our ability to identify the bad guys.
All in the name of the "New Tone". We can't offend the tender sensitive natures of the Left while patting down 83 year old grandmothers in airports.
Is there any reality or responsibility left in Washington DC?
ncatty| 1.9.09 @ 12:29PM
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Jack Bauer| 1.9.09 @ 12:35PM
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1. Following possibly the biggest Intelligence failure since ww2, Bush did not DEMAND the head of one person. Starting with Tenent.
2. Border Agents Ramos and Campean will probly rot in jail for the next 9 years while scum get pardons.
Once upon a time honorable people fell on their swords following failure. Now they fall on cushy jobs, golden parachutes, massive pensions, and multi-million dollar consultancy fees.
Michele San Pietro| 1.9.09 @ 12:56PM
Now that a "good" Democrat is the head of the CIA instead of a "bad" Republican, the CIA becomes all of a sudden a troop of boy scouts instead of a bunch of murderers... I think we should get rid of such hypocrites before it is too late. In the next four years, Panetta will definitely disclose a lot of national-security secrets to America's enemies, and this is simply terrible.
Stan Redmond| 1.9.09 @ 1:26PM
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However Obama's failures will be hidden by the mantra, "Bush's fault."
Thom| 1.9.09 @ 1:26PM
Actually, I have not read one comment since the announcement of Panetta's selection regarding the most dangerous aspect of choosing a known leftist politician to head our CIA: the already-achieved and ongoing infiltration of CIA by Chinese, Islamist, and other enemy case officers and/or their agents.
China has been on an unrelenting intelligence-gathering and secrets-theft campaign for the last twenty to thirty years, depending on the area of penetration or theft you choose to discuss. Estimates of their officers and agents exceeds 100,000 inside the US at a given moment, from the universities to the Pentagon, to CIA and FBI, not to mention the private sector in various high-tech industries. Islamists began in earnest after 9/11, if you read the reports of sabotage of cases by translators and analysts in both CIA and FBI. Along with these go the convictions of the Chinese ring that had our officials sleeping with female spies for years, etc.
Panetta and his supporters may not see this as a threat to our country, or at least not in the same way that others not so enamoured with the old Marxist-based ideas that so intoxicated Panetta's generation might.
It is one of the most frightening aspects of the past ten years, in my opinion. We seem to have widely accepted that we have been penetrated and will continue to be so. We will not know the full gravity of this era until we have a shooting war with China, as is inevitable (over Taiwan, if nothing else), and when that happens, we are likely to suffer catastrophic, history-bending losses, due in large part to that penetration of our agencies and technologies. Similarly, any mass murders of Americans, such as a nuke detonated in a major city by Islamists, will likely be one result of terrorist infiltration of our "protectors" offices.
Panetta and his ilk prefer America to not be the sole, "triumphalist" superpower, and would welcome a humbling of our country from its present position of "hegemony". Therefore, winking at the weakening of CIA from within and without is not such a bad thing, in their likely opinions.
God save the United States, because this administration (or the followers of this latest "cult of personality") do not necessarily care to. Maybe when the merde hits le fan, we can ring Camelot and ask for Princess Caroline to save us with her father's heroic DNA.
JJ JR| 1.9.09 @ 2:19PM
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To Basile Plumley in order of your assertions/questions:
1) I have no issue with Porter bringing his own folks in, but his choice of who he brought was just poor.
2) Don't know what in the "wild world of sport[s]" your talking about (wish I did tho')
3) As far as Tenet (the correct spelling), his real sin was not resigning under Clinton when he saw the utter disregard the Clinton Administration had for the Intelligence C0mmunity's mission and people. If he had done that, it might have shown the light on Clinton's dereliction of duty and complete lack of resourcing of important programs. Around 1998 would have been the time--and the country would have had 3 years before 9/11. Tenet was not overwhelmed--he believed he didn't have the legal statutes in place to actually let him function as a "Secretary of Intelligence" vice what he viewed as the largely ceremonial post of "DCI." Recall the Vanity Fair cover in 2002 that had Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Powell, Rice and Tenet on the cover. Tenet had himself identified as the Director, CIA vice DCI--symbolic of his belief that the DCI was a "nothing-burger" role because of the lack of legal authorities.
To Thom: your right that the ChiComms are our greatest peer-to-peer threat (though the Russians are now rapidly catching up), but ya' got the wrong method as the biggest threat. It's cyberspace--they are at war with us there.
TwentyFirstCentury American| 1.9.09 @ 3:27PM
Dear right-wing friends, do you know a polical guy called George H.W. Bush with no CIA spy experience/knowledge once held the same position and proved himself to be one of the best? Imagination is more important than experience or the knowledge it provides, and Obma and his picks have that important ingredient. To quote Einstein, "Imagination is more important than knowledge. For while knowledge defines all we currently know and understand, imagination points to all we might yet discover and create." Americans know that, that's why McCain with tons of experience, but zero imagination lost.
TexasCowboy| 1.9.09 @ 3:37PM
I contend the CIA is doing everything they can to hold on to the Bush tactics of illegal spying. They cannot even get intelligence research correct which costs America the lives of many young men and women, not to mention the hundreds of thousands of innocent people in Iraq. The CIA needs a makeover, they need someone who will no longer allow crimes by our government to continue. I 100% support Obama's choice for Panetta to lead this very disfunctional government organization. The existing CIA, the one for the last 8 years, clearly have disdain for middle america, for rule of law and for doing what is right.
America Being Destroyed| 1.9.09 @ 6:32PM
Panetta, may be the wisest choice of all, the CIA is nothing more than a bunch of criminal organised gang of super crooks and assassins. He needs some one to cover his back.
Each of the Bush family had to murder some one to claim their position. H W Bush, JFK, G W Bush did away with John Kennedy Jr. To be a member of the gang you have to be willing to kill to ear your place at the table.
We can look out for another Assassination to get Jeb Bush in the White House, it may well be Obama. Or Caroline Kennedy.
S.L. Toddard| 1.9.09 @ 8:37PM
"Initially, John Brennan, who had a strong intelligence background, was seen as the leading candidate to head the agency under Obama, but he withdrew his name from consideration after coming under fire from liberals, who associated him with Bush administration detention and interrogation policies"
This blatant falsehood has been bandied about so much it has become the general consensus among the MSM - ahem - "journalists" who believe "journalism" means "the art of acting as a megaphone for the political establishment". The reason it is promoted is obvious - to discredit the few voices in America that still support the Rule of Law, that still cherish our Constitution and still feel that the rights and protections enshrined therein are non-negotiable.
John Brennan came under fire from *civil libertarians* - not because they unfairly "associated him with Bush administration detention and interrogation policies", but because he specifically *supported and defended torture and rendition*.
Basil Plumley| 1.9.09 @ 9:05PM
JJ JR -Mea Culpa, I have just returned to the computer.
As to Goss, there were accusations made that Goss was involved in the same activities as Foggio. Part of the accusations included hookers. This was part of the cloud surrounding Goss leaving the Agency.
Goss was to "investigated" for this activity. I haven't heard anything, have you.
Rumor has it that Kappes-Pillar-McGovern-et al. hung a banner after Goss left which said ....... "Mission Accomplished".
Thom-very good post. I worry that Los Alamos and Livermore will be re-open for business.
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Trogluddite| 1.9.09 @ 11:15PM
...Panetta's ... loyalty to Obama ... means that intelligence will be politicized and there will always be a Federal employee to throw under the bus after the Agency follows the directions they get from the White House to ensure that the Dear leader is not tainted by the logical consequences of the decisions his team makes.
Robert Rosencrans| 1.10.09 @ 8:12AM
When CIA employees aren't being encouraged to make quilts like they were under Clinton (True story) they will be encouraged to engage in other self loathing techniques. It will become just another version of Hate America First, if it hasn't already.
gazinya| 1.10.09 @ 12:57PM
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Political Crooks Rule| 1.10.09 @ 3:22PM
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Satans Kingdom is EXPOSED| 1.10.09 @ 3:41PM
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If Americans have been dumb down enough he has nothing to fear. Obama has been selected to find out the levels of madness amongst the American people.
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ruth| 1.10.09 @ 8:55PM
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Alan Brooks| 1.10.09 @ 9:25PM
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Jack Hughes mentions a pedophile priest coverup. but being a molester isnt wrong if youre Michael Jackson-- then you dont really have to cover up you just pay the boy's family off, say, like.
This is now the 21st century and we are liberating ourselves from outmoded puritanical mindsets. Its a brave new world.
Liberal Mark| 1.10.09 @ 11:09PM
It's odd you kooks complain about Panetta and dont say a word about George Tenent and his "Slam Dunk". Kinda odd!
Deborah| 1.11.09 @ 7:29AM
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Marc Jeric| 1.11.09 @ 2:28PM
Panetta - the CIA chief? That far-left operative who defended the disbarred felon Clinton by besmirching his accusers; he believes that terrorists are legitimate fighters who should be defended by the ACLU and judged by Clintonista judges. And, of course, those subhuman monsters should be compensated by multi-million dollar fines against Bush Administration.
Bush, a typical Republican "gentleman", left those 6,000 Clinton appointees in the government (including CIA) to destroy his administration, often by directly helping the terrorists, instead of performing a giant purge.
My hope is that soon we will witness the nepharious influence of Abu Hussein from Kenya and his marxist revolutionaries on the health and prosperity of this unfortunate nation.
Michele San Pietro| 1.11.09 @ 5:16PM
George Bush sr. was a great leader of the CIA. Leon Panetta will definitely be a very bad one.
Alan Brooks| 1.11.09 @ 6:58PM
so Panetta's interim head of CIA?
yep. must be. they come and go.
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