The Senate Republican leadership believes that the
parliamentarian allowed Democrats to violate the rules of the
Senate by allowing Sen. Bernie Sanders to cut off the reading of
his single-payer proposal.
When an amendment is introduced, it has to be read on the Senate
floor unless the rest of the Senate agrees to cut off the
reading, and typically, the requirement is waived through
"unanimous consent." Yet today, Sen. Tom Coburn insisted that
Sanders' 767 page bill be read on the Senate floor, which was on
pace to take more than 12 hours.
But about three hours into the reading, Sanders withdrew his
amendment, and this stopped the reading of the bill -- even
without unanimous consent.
"In allowing Sanders to do that, it appears the
parliamentarian has broken the standing rules of the Senate," a
Republican aide emails. "We're looking into the implications of
this and working on where to go from here."
Here is the relevant part of Riddick's Senate Procedure,
which the GOP believes Democrats have violated, emphasis was in
the email:
“Reading: Under Rule XV, paragraph 1, and Senate
precedents, an amendment shall be read by the Clerk before it
is up for consideration or before the same shall be debated
unless a request to waive the reading is granted; in
practice that includes an ordinary amendment or an amendment in
the nature of a substitute, the reading of which may
not be dispensed with except by unanimous consent, and
if the request is denied the amendment must be read and further
interruptions are not in order; interruptions of the reading of
an amendment that has been proposed are not in order, even for
the purpose of proposing a substitute amendment to a committee
amendment which is being read. When an amendment is
offered the regular order is its reading, and unanimous consent
is required to call off the reading.”(Riddick’s Senate
Procedure, P.43-44)
"It looks like there’s nothing the Democrats aren’t prepared to
do to jam this unpopular health care bill down the throats of the
American public," the aide writes.
Whats the comedy line?... Badges ? Badges ? We don't need no
stinkin' badges. (I 'll bet the Presiding Officer is a Democrat
.) We make the stinkin' rules !
MarkJ| 12.16.09 @ 6:33PM
Q: What's the difference between the Democrats and members of the
Taliban?
A: You can actually reason with some of the Taliban.
lman| 12.16.09 @ 6:52PM
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TG| 12.16.09 @ 6:56PM
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PD Quig| 12.16.09 @ 7:07PM
Either rules are rules, or might make right.
Haul out the guns and ammo,
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get it together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here
The reading aloud rule helped a lot hundreds of years ago when
bills were difficult to copy, print, or type, and needed to be
read aloud. In the last few years, where people like GW Bush and
Sarah Palin have held prominent positions in politics, having
things read to the Republicans is becoming more important. Not
everyone in government is an elitist who can read and comprehend
complex legislation. Thank you Senator Coburn!
No One Important| 12.17.09 @ 1:51PM
Look, the democrats are desperate to get this over.
They’re going down in flames. 61% of the nation now opposes this.
The democrats have stuck with the “the status quo is not an
option” mantra, however, polling shows, YEA, it IS an option with
the public. An OPTION the public would rather TAKE than accept
what the democrats are pushing.
So now, the democrats have this horrendous bill, saddled on them
from the parasitic lefties, and it’s going to kill them in 2010.
So you either RIP it off, and start over, which they won’t do
because there’s not a single one among them strong enough to call
a “pig” a pig, or you just let this parasite of a bill strangle
you and hope someone will save you in the near future.
Meanwhile, lead parasites like Pelosi and Obama try to sooth them
into thinking all will be fine, coming from those not at risk in
2010.
Their “siren’s” call, attempting to BS the other democrats into
going along with them, is nothing different than what Obama did
to the nation. And now, some democrats are starting to abhore
having Obama treat them as stupid as he treated the American
voter.
The voter is waking up, and the democrats can’t get away from a
POTUS who has deluded himself into thinking this is good for the
nation.
1 in 7 Americans is struggling to buy food, but this Potus gives
himself a B+?
Wow, and he thinks the BANKERS are out of touch?
It’s clear now who is completely clueless. Obama, and the
democrats following him. The only democrat that might survive a
contested race next year is the democrat that stands up and says
“I’m tired of wasting time on this, when Americans need jobs, and
they need us to do OUR jobs. Drop this nonsense, and we’ll start
over later, but right now, the nation needs us to focus on their
top priority. It always was and always has been the economy. Not
HC reform.”
But you won’t find a single democrat out there strong enough to
say it.
Rules, Democrats don't need no stinken rules. They're trying to
put in place a dictatorship based on rule of men, not a democracy
based on rule of law. The rules are probably alive anyways, able
to be changed whenever you don't like them, sort of like our
living Constitution. I'm joking to cover the disgust I feel.
Scared in Seattle| 12.17.09 @ 2:33PM
Bush lied...
The rule died.
Geez, how can anybody care about some li'l old Senate rule when
hundreds--no, thousands--of helpless little kids are dying every
day in our streets all because they don't have government managed
health care plans? Such heartlessness simply astonishes.
Charles (Chuck) Schumer| 12.17.09 @ 2:37PM
Rules? Rules are for the little people, bitch!
Mike Zarowitz| 12.17.09 @ 2:41PM
Our tax dollars at work.
The way I see it, Sen Sanders did offer a substitute amendment. A
null one.
Rule XV, section 2, in the Standing Rules of the Senate says:
"Any motion, amendment, or resolution may be withdrawn or
modified by the mover at any time before a decision, amendment or
ordering of the yeas and nays, except a motion to reconsider,
which shall not be withdrawn without leave." Anyone know why this
rule would not be applicable to the Sanders-Coburn situation?
Eddie| 12.18.09 @ 11:58PM
because you may only withdraw "before a decision" -- the reading
itself counts as a decision, and had already begun which is why
this rule no longer applied.
They're trying to put in place a dictatorship based on rule of
men, not a democracy based on rule of law. The rules are probably
alive anyways, able to be changed whenever you don't like them.
Whats the comedy line?... Badges ? Badges ? We don't need no
stinkin' badges. (I 'll bet the Presiding Officer is a Democrat .)
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Whats the comedy line?... Badges ? Badges ? We don't need no stinkin' badges. (I 'll bet the Presiding Officer is a Democrat .) We make the stinkin' rules !
MarkJ| 12.16.09 @ 6:33PM
Q: What's the difference between the Democrats and members of the Taliban?
A: You can actually reason with some of the Taliban.
lman| 12.16.09 @ 6:52PM
For all the real news .. in other words what the media will not report or attempts to skew otherwise: http://www.repubx.com
TG| 12.16.09 @ 6:56PM
If you're wondering why everybody's IP address keeps showing up twice in your visitor log, it's because Veronique de Rugy at NRO's Corner accidentally posted this link twice, while implying each was a different link.
And since I'm on administrative matters: Your donation popup does funky things on the Opera browser, forcing the page focus to the center of the page. Which means lots of scrolling back up when long comments threads are present. Just an FYI.
PD Quig| 12.16.09 @ 7:07PM
Either rules are rules, or might make right.
Haul out the guns and ammo,
Because there's something in the air
We've got to get it together sooner or later
Because the revolution's here
And you know it's right.
Jo8246b| 12.17.09 @ 8:15AM
Way to go Sen. Colburn of Ok.. keep it up
Ali A. Rizvi| 12.17.09 @ 12:45PM
I agree with Coburn.
The reading aloud rule helped a lot hundreds of years ago when bills were difficult to copy, print, or type, and needed to be read aloud. In the last few years, where people like GW Bush and Sarah Palin have held prominent positions in politics, having things read to the Republicans is becoming more important. Not everyone in government is an elitist who can read and comprehend complex legislation. Thank you Senator Coburn!
No One Important| 12.17.09 @ 1:51PM
Look, the democrats are desperate to get this over.
They’re going down in flames. 61% of the nation now opposes this. The democrats have stuck with the “the status quo is not an option” mantra, however, polling shows, YEA, it IS an option with the public. An OPTION the public would rather TAKE than accept what the democrats are pushing.
So now, the democrats have this horrendous bill, saddled on them from the parasitic lefties, and it’s going to kill them in 2010.
So you either RIP it off, and start over, which they won’t do because there’s not a single one among them strong enough to call a “pig” a pig, or you just let this parasite of a bill strangle you and hope someone will save you in the near future.
Meanwhile, lead parasites like Pelosi and Obama try to sooth them into thinking all will be fine, coming from those not at risk in 2010.
Their “siren’s” call, attempting to BS the other democrats into going along with them, is nothing different than what Obama did to the nation. And now, some democrats are starting to abhore having Obama treat them as stupid as he treated the American voter.
The voter is waking up, and the democrats can’t get away from a POTUS who has deluded himself into thinking this is good for the nation.
1 in 7 Americans is struggling to buy food, but this Potus gives himself a B+?
Wow, and he thinks the BANKERS are out of touch?
It’s clear now who is completely clueless. Obama, and the democrats following him. The only democrat that might survive a contested race next year is the democrat that stands up and says “I’m tired of wasting time on this, when Americans need jobs, and they need us to do OUR jobs. Drop this nonsense, and we’ll start over later, but right now, the nation needs us to focus on their top priority. It always was and always has been the economy. Not HC reform.”
But you won’t find a single democrat out there strong enough to say it.
And what does that tell you?
A Conservative Teacher| 12.17.09 @ 2:10PM
Rules, Democrats don't need no stinken rules. They're trying to put in place a dictatorship based on rule of men, not a democracy based on rule of law. The rules are probably alive anyways, able to be changed whenever you don't like them, sort of like our living Constitution. I'm joking to cover the disgust I feel.
Scared in Seattle| 12.17.09 @ 2:33PM
Bush lied...
The rule died.
Geez, how can anybody care about some li'l old Senate rule when hundreds--no, thousands--of helpless little kids are dying every day in our streets all because they don't have government managed health care plans? Such heartlessness simply astonishes.
Charles (Chuck) Schumer| 12.17.09 @ 2:37PM
Rules? Rules are for the little people, bitch!
Mike Zarowitz| 12.17.09 @ 2:41PM
Our tax dollars at work.
The way I see it, Sen Sanders did offer a substitute amendment. A null one.
Can we get back to not doing work yet?
Andrew| 12.17.09 @ 5:53PM
Rule XV, section 2, in the Standing Rules of the Senate says: "Any motion, amendment, or resolution may be withdrawn or modified by the mover at any time before a decision, amendment or ordering of the yeas and nays, except a motion to reconsider, which shall not be withdrawn without leave." Anyone know why this rule would not be applicable to the Sanders-Coburn situation?
Eddie| 12.18.09 @ 11:58PM
because you may only withdraw "before a decision" -- the reading itself counts as a decision, and had already begun which is why this rule no longer applied.
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