As I wrote earlier, the Stupak amendment to prevent taxpayer
funding for abortion poses a dilemma for pro-life Republicans,
since supporting the pro-life amendment would help ensure that
the Pelosi bill moves forward. While the Republican leadership in
the House and many of the members have said they would support
the measure, Rep. John Shadegg has told
Politico that he will vote "present," and says at least 4 or
5 Republicans will join him:
“(Nancy) Pelosi is speaker and she’s pro abortion every minute of
every hour of every day as speaker,” Shadegg said in an interview
with POLITICO Saturday evening. “This is a vote to help her move
the bill forward.”
He added: “This is a gut-wrenching issue for a lot of
people...But I won't support Pelosi’s bill, which is not pro-life
at all.”
The item also notes that Shadegg has "has been bickering all day
via email with his Republican colleagues" about how to vote, and
disagrees with the pro-life groups who have announced they would
negatively rate a "present" vote on the measure.
So, will enough Republicans join Shadegg and help block passage
of the Stupak amendment? And if that language doesn't make it in
the bill, will Pelosi have enough votes to pass it? Right now,
House Minority Whip Eric Cantor's office counts 35 Democrats
opposed to the larger health care bill -- just five short of the
number needed to defeat it, if the GOP caucus stands together.
And that number doesn't include the pro-life Democratic members
who are currently undecided, awaiting the outcome of the vote on
the Stupak amendment.
Typical Liberal Chicanery.
Shadegg is, of course, right.
A "NO" vote will be used against him by his opponent to say that
Shadegg voted against Pro life and a "YES" vote would mean that
he voted to keep Abortion in the bill.
The whole point of this exercise is to keep the Bill from
advancing and not playing Liberal Reindeer games.
I think this might be a good strategic move. If the amendment
fails, Pelosi might not have enough votes to pass it.
victor| 11.7.09 @ 11:24PM
You lose!
The bill just passed and is on its way to the Current Occupant's
desk for his signature.
This is a day that will live in Infamy!
John| 11.7.09 @ 8:58PM
I wrestled with this too. And it's true that liberals have vowed
to remove the ammendment anyway in conference. It is just to give
the pro-life dems cover.
Still. I believe the pro-life Dems will vote for the bill anyway,
now that they've been able to voice their opposition on the floor
to cover themselves.
A house bill without federal funded abortion certainly won't gain
it in the senate. It's a dangerous game. Like when we cheered
that Obama did what we could not, defeat Hillary. The risk was
that we would get stuck with even worse, and we did.
O. B. Ron Quixote| 11.7.09 @ 9:16PM
Bottom line is that regardless of whether the Stupak Amendment
passes, it will be removed in committee. Pelosi's strategy is
only to allow pro-life democrats a public forum to formally voice
their opposition to that part of the overall health care bill.
That way, she gets all libs in line to pass the overall bill
which will then be trumpeted by the "mainstream" media as a big
victory for Obama/Pelosi.
By taking down the Stupak amendment, pro-life Republicans will
force pro-life dems to vote against their values in order to pass
the bill. By foiling the Pelosi-Stupak strategy, pro-life
Republicans will be able to vote their true conscience by voting
against the overall bill.
Pro-life groups who refuse to acknowledge Pelosi's overall
strategy to get the overall bill passed at the expense of writing
out the Stupak amendment in committee are simply naive.
Screw the Stupak amendment and oppose the overall bill at all
costs.
If not, pro-lifers will only be shooting themselves in the foot.
JMHOAU
jiji| 11.8.09 @ 9:15PM
The papers were conveyor
chain mixed together in a big box. The officials then began
forming machine to
remove the papers one at a time.
victor| 11.7.09 @ 8:49PM
Typical Liberal Chicanery.
Shadegg is, of course, right.
A "NO" vote will be used against him by his opponent to say that Shadegg voted against Pro life and a "YES" vote would mean that he voted to keep Abortion in the bill.
The whole point of this exercise is to keep the Bill from advancing and not playing Liberal Reindeer games.
Wesley| 11.7.09 @ 8:51PM
I think this might be a good strategic move. If the amendment fails, Pelosi might not have enough votes to pass it.
victor| 11.7.09 @ 11:24PM
You lose!
The bill just passed and is on its way to the Current Occupant's desk for his signature.
This is a day that will live in Infamy!
John| 11.7.09 @ 8:58PM
I wrestled with this too. And it's true that liberals have vowed to remove the ammendment anyway in conference. It is just to give the pro-life dems cover.
Still. I believe the pro-life Dems will vote for the bill anyway, now that they've been able to voice their opposition on the floor to cover themselves.
A house bill without federal funded abortion certainly won't gain it in the senate. It's a dangerous game. Like when we cheered that Obama did what we could not, defeat Hillary. The risk was that we would get stuck with even worse, and we did.
O. B. Ron Quixote| 11.7.09 @ 9:16PM
Bottom line is that regardless of whether the Stupak Amendment passes, it will be removed in committee. Pelosi's strategy is only to allow pro-life democrats a public forum to formally voice their opposition to that part of the overall health care bill.
That way, she gets all libs in line to pass the overall bill which will then be trumpeted by the "mainstream" media as a big victory for Obama/Pelosi.
By taking down the Stupak amendment, pro-life Republicans will force pro-life dems to vote against their values in order to pass the bill. By foiling the Pelosi-Stupak strategy, pro-life Republicans will be able to vote their true conscience by voting against the overall bill.
Pro-life groups who refuse to acknowledge Pelosi's overall strategy to get the overall bill passed at the expense of writing out the Stupak amendment in committee are simply naive.
Screw the Stupak amendment and oppose the overall bill at all costs.
If not, pro-lifers will only be shooting themselves in the foot.
JMHOAU
jiji| 11.8.09 @ 9:15PM
The papers were conveyor chain mixed together in a big box. The officials then began forming machine to remove the papers one at a time.