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The Spectacle Blog
Here’s an interesting turn of events.
We have been reporting here and here about the role of the United Church of Christ in a group called So We Might See.
The group is trying to say that “hate speech” — and they name in this connection Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly and Lou Dobbs — has been and can be the cause of violence against illegal immigrants.
In other words, as they claim, “hate speech …incites violence.”
Hate speech, according to So We Might See and the sponsoring United Church of Christ, “creates and/or encourages an ‘us vs. them’ mentality” and “blam[es] ‘others’ as the source of trouble.”
Well, OK. Let’s take these folks at their word.
So We Might See has specifically targeted CNN’s Lou Dobbs. It accuses him of hate speech (“blaming others”) and is linking to a site that wants to force Mr. Dobbs off the air, creating a decided “us vs. them” atmosphere (or perhaps we should say and “us vs. him” atmosphere). The group also says in a petition to the FCC that because of words spoken by Rush Limbaugh on the air in March of 2006 two Mexican men were beaten and robbed months later. (No proof provided, but hey.)
Now, let’s just play along here for a moment.
As this news account from MSNBC reports, a shot was fired at Mr. Dobbs’ home while his wife and another person were standing outside. This has been verified by the New Jersey State Police. Here’s the link.
If what So We Might See is claiming is true, then the notion they are spreading — that Mr. Dobbs is a purveyor of hate speech and therefore responsible for acts of violence against illegal immigrants — makes the United Church of Christ, So We Might See, and its “key personnel” the Reverend J. Bennett Guess responsible for the person who shot at Mr. Dobbs’ home. Right?
So now we have a shot that could have easily wounded if not done worse to Mrs. Dobbs and a second person at the Dobbs home. Then according to So We Might See, there must be a connection between the hateful things being said by the So We Might See campaign about Mr. Dobbs and the image painted of him by the UCC campaign. What other conclusion can we reach, using this logic? Their logic.
Thus, the question directly to the Reverend Guess.
Will you be halting this campaign of “hate speech” against Lou Dobbs and everyone else listed on your site — Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Bill O’Reilly etc. etc. — because you now realize that the UCC Office of Communications is responsible for this act of violence against the Dobbs family?
Is an apology to Mr. Dobbs forthcoming?
The clock is running. How long will it take to remove the names of radio and TV stars on your site so that you don’t incite anyone else to violence against them?
How long will it take to withdraw Rush Limbaugh’s name from your petition?
MSNBC reported. You decide.
More of this story next week, including a response to the good Reverend Guess.
Tim| 10.30.09 @ 1:04PM
Super, now they're shooting at us.
Eric Cartman | 10.30.09 @ 3:02PM
Shoot back!
Eric Cartman| 10.30.09 @ 3:51PM
Don't understand Conservative's who say we shouldn't shoot back! To act above these scum. I say don't just shoot 'em - HUNT 'EM. Only way to kill vermin.
SoCon| 10.30.09 @ 1:10PM
Liberal "Tolerance" in action.
Nick| 10.30.09 @ 2:02PM
Where was Howard Dean on the day of the shooting?
You ever notice how he looks like a aged version of Lee Harvey Oswald?
Angel| 10.30.09 @ 7:52PM
I guess it could have been the Deaner, but I'm bettin' on Alan Grayson, the guy's seriously psycho.
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Twitter Trackbacks for The American Spectator : AmSpecBlog : The Dobbs Shooting: UCC links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Steve| 10.30.09 @ 2:05PM
The PC police will eventually lead to no freedom of speech. Dust off your old copy of Fahrenheit 451 and heed the warning from Captain Beatty. Cheers.
Mark J. Goluskin | 10.30.09 @ 2:14PM
Gee, you are a member of the UCC? So is President Obama. You have my sympathies. And to think, there is one denomination weirder than mine-the Episcopal Church. Hey, would you please take our heretic, John Shelby Spong, off of our hands?
Jeffrey Lord| 10.30.09 @ 3:56PM
Mark...
If you talked to the hierarchy at the UCC you'd probably find the UCC heretic is...me!
Having been baptised into the faith I would beg to differ!
There is much to be said for being in the church at the grass roots level.
Joe Bob| 10.30.09 @ 6:01PM
The rest of the story...Dobbs lives in rural area...hunting season...bullet hit the top of his house - apex of roof...bounced off vinyl siding and fell to the ground...even the cop investiging laughed at Dobb's account....Oh well good theatre.
Liberal Reader| 10.30.09 @ 6:23PM
Well ... If there were fewer guns, as we hate-speech spewing liberals would prefer, perhaps Mr Dobbs's family would not have been endangered.
I'm glad to hear everyone's all right and I hope they catch the person that did this.
Angel| 10.30.09 @ 7:59PM
Yes, fewer guns, because we all know that the gun was to blame for shooting itself at the Dobbs' family home. I hope we catch the gun that was responsible for this misdeed; perhaps we can charge it with a hate crime.
Dopey liberal.
Liberal Reader| 10.30.09 @ 10:07PM
Fair enough, Angel. You make a good point, and you show some wit.
Like most people in my party, I don't see gun control as a major priority. It's one of those issues that I'll reluctantly concede we lost.
I do think more could be done to keep guns out of the hands of mentally deranged persons; I do think cities and states should retain the right to place some restrictions on guns, but there's an end on it.
Angel| 10.30.09 @ 11:15PM
Thanks, LibReader!!
I'd rather be a witty Conservative than a witless Liberal like you, Jeremiah.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 1:05PM
Well, at least no one will ever accuse you of knowing how to accept a compliment gracefully. No embarrassing charges of sophistication for you!
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 1:40PM
That infamous "Liberal sense of humor" rears its ugly head once again!
I was just teasing, LR/Jeremiah; can't you take a joke?
Happy Halloween.
Jack Hughes| 10.30.09 @ 10:49PM
Lou Dobbs is killing CNN. This is not the first time he lies. Most of his reporting on immigrant- ion is vastly exaggerated. I'm going back to the networks, cable news outfits are all the same.
Janice| 10.30.09 @ 11:12PM
What lies, Jack? Care to back up your accusations against Dobbs or is your post just another liberal drive-by lie?
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 7:04PM
How about claiming that people from Mexico were spreading LEPROSY in the United States?
Dobbs said that and it was completely and totally and verifiably and demonstrably FALSE.
He also claimed that "legitimate questions" remain about Obama's citizenship, a claim he knows is utterly and completely and demonstrably FALSE.
Just two off the top of my head.
Janice| 11.1.09 @ 9:21PM
You're wrong. Leprosy is a disease that still exists in some third world countries, including Mexico. Only a moron wouldn't already know that.
Obama's citizenship? This is an issue that won't go away because Obama has refused to clear up the matter of his birth records. Lou could be right.
Any other spurious claims, Libreeder?
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 3:24AM
You all jumped the gun way to quick on this. Lou Dobbs' neighbor to New York Times today: “Every day almost, it seems like somebody is target-practicing. To hear a gunshot, I don’t think anything of it.” THINK PEOPLE! This was probably a stray bullet. If it's not, then let's unleash the torrents of hell on whoever would have purposely shot at Dobbs' home. But right now it's too early to tell. That's not a lie. That's a fact! Even the New Jersey police are saying publicly it was probably a stray bullet. But again, let them finish the damn investigation before we start laying blame!
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 1:04PM
Like you stinking libs wait before blaming or smearing people! Hah!
Were you asleep the last couple weeks while Rush was slandered with made up quotes?
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 1:07PM
I see American Spectator has not removed calls for hunting and killing political opponents in this thread, posted by "Eric."
It's a shame to see this publication pandering to its proto-fascist fringes.
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 1:47PM
Eric's angry words pale in comparison to the violence directed at Lou Dobbs and his wife, Jeremiah.
Keep things in perspective.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 1:54PM
Angel --
I am appalled that Dobbs's home was fired upon -- no matter what reason. The most recent news reports suggest it was NOT an attack upon his home but some kind of ricochet. However, if you're in a house and a bullet flies through the window, you don't care WHY it is flying through the window, and I understand that.
However, Eric's call to violence is deeply irresponsible, un-American, anti-Democratic, and uncivil.
American Spectator should discourage such provocations to violence and promote a forum for the civil exchange of ideas. I don't object to Eric's politics; I object to calls for violence.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 2:34PM
Marxist Reader,
All I see Mr. Cartman saying is that Mr. Dobbs should defend himself.
Are you agianst the God given right to self-defense?
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 2:46PM
Nick --
It seems like you're only reading his first post. His second post says the following:
"Don't understand Conservative's who say we shouldn't shoot back! To act above these scum. I say don't just shoot 'em - HUNT 'EM. Only way to kill vermin."
This clearly advocates initiating violence, not sensible provisions for self-defense.
There's a huge difference, Nick.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 3:51PM
Marxist Reader,
Yes, I read both posts by Mr. Cartman.
Again, you see what he wrote through liberal-colored glasses. And this blinds you.
If someone was shooting at Mr. Dobbs and his family, he would be absolutely morally justified "hunting" them.
I can't tell you what Mr. Cartman intended, only what he actually wrote and how a conservative interprets it.
He didn't CALL "for 'hunting' people whose politics you disagree with [...]." That is just the way you took it.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 2:50PM
There is also NO EVIDENCE whatsoever that Dobbs is being attacked.
A single round lodged itself in his house's roof.
He lives in an area where there is lots of hunting and target shooting.
Again, let me be clear: I don't blame Dobbs for being concerned about this. A bullet's a bullet.
However, there is simply no reason to believe he is being targeted.
This makes calling for "hunting" people whose politics you disagree with even more offensive.
It has nothing to do with anyone's "God-given" right to self defense.
A free society DEPENDS upon its citizens' fitness for self-government. If you can't lose an election or a debate without reaching for a rifle, you are simply not fit for self-government.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 2:52PM
Talking about killing "vermin" is classic fascist talk, too. It's deeply un-American.
I'm surprised American Spectator doesn't clear away detritus like this.
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 3:05PM
You want to start the 'fascist' trash talk again , LR? Do you really want to go there?
Don't you have something better to do on a lovely Saturday? Some of us actually have a life to live and things to do besides plopping our butt down before a computer screen and rehashing tedious old BS.
You're pathetic.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 4:04PM
Is this in "Classic Fascist Quotes" volume one or volume two? Is it in the classic "Hitler's Joke Book"?
Or is it in "Things Uncle Joe got His Useful Idiots to Say Without Thinking"? (That would be Joseph Stalin, for those of you in Rio Linda.)
Also, why is it that you libs constantly demand those of us the right not DARE question your patriotism, but have no qualms calling those with whom you disagree "un-American"?
Hypocrisy anyone?
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 2:59PM
Love it how you make it all about Cartman's reactive intemperate comments, LR.
Just remember, you guys won an election in 2008 and it was someone on YOUR side who reached for a gun and STARTED this fracas.
Obviously, you liberals are quite simply not fit for self-government.
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 3:06PM
Angel,
You are obviously retarded. Yes, I mean retarded, all politically correct bs aside. Do you not understand English? What a shame...
You wrote: "...it was someone on YOUR side who reached for a gun and STARTED this fracas."
What kind of idiot did your mother raise? Or were you raised by badgers? That might explain.
WE DON'T (that means "DO NOT") KNOW WHO FIRED THE F'N GUN, IDIOT. IT COULD HAVE BEEN SOME REPUBLICAN HUNTER WHO WAS AIMING AT A SQUIRREL!
Get that through you thick ass skull, moron
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 3:15PM
And another thing, Angel,
You think liberals aren't fit for self-government? You can't even process a simple declarative sentence when it doesn't fit with your pea-brain paranoid fantasies.
Go back to grammar school and when you have been tested as to know the difference between: "We know who fired the gun," and "We don't know who fired the gun," then you can rejoin the conversation online.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 3:40PM
Marxist Reader and Raul,
As an Injun' of old might say, "White man speak with forked tongue."
You bleeding heart liberals admonish conservatives not to jump to conclusions, "We don't know who fired the shot." Sounds reasonable.
Then you proceed to give alternative explanations of what happened, "It could've been hunters."
This is the definition of cognitive dissonance.
But your bias blinds you to it.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 4:29PM
Wrong again, Nick.
The spokesperson for the state police said it was far more likely to be a stray round from a hunter than a direct attack on the house.
If this is what represents a direct attack by an outraged liberal, then I think conservatives have little to fear anyway.
But the point is there's no good reason to suspect a direct attack. Therefore, talk of shooting liberals, as advocated by Eric, is grossly inappropriate.
Your whole line of thinking here, Nick, is perverse and hopelessly without any confirmed fact backing you up.
Blissfully fact-free, I suppose you'll just fire back that I don't know his house wasn't attacked. And you're right. I also can't prove space aliens didn't shoot Dobbs's roof, but that's no reason the U.S. Airforce should start extra patrols.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 5:00PM
Marxist Reader,
I have made no claim that Mr. Dobbs was shot at or that I believe he was. You have inferred this. Go back and check.
Your post is the one blissfully free of facts.
While I don't doubt the police spokesman said what you claimed, what the spokesman claimed is not a fact, it is the state police's opinion. It is one assertion against another.
Don't admonish others not to be so quick to jump to conclusions, and then be quick to accept what a police spokesman is reported to have said. That is hypocrisy.
All I wrote was IF Mr. Dobbs is/was fired upon, he is morally justified defending himself and his family.
Whether or not Mr. Dobbs' claim or others are correct, I do not know. I can buy both theories. But it is not UNREASONALBLE to believe some lefty nut would take a shot at him.
And I can infer Mr. Cartman's words only apply to self-defense, until he tells me different.
Liberal Reader| 10.31.09 @ 5:03PM
Nick:
When Eric encourages people to "hunt" the "vermin," you interpret that to be referring to self-defense?
You're having reading comprehension troubles here, Nick. I don't see the point of arguing the point if you won't acknowledge what is plain as day.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 5:21PM
Marxist Reader,
In a word, yes.
I explained this in my response to your 2:46PM post above.
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 6:02PM
As an old white guy I used to know once said, "You're all nuts!"
Nick says the following:
"Don't admonish others not to be so quick to jump to conclusions, and then be quick to accept what a police spokesman is reported to have said."
The only reason I'm even on American Spectator is because I'm amazed, truly amazed, at how fast Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, the author of this original blog and so many others like those who are posting on this comment board have jumped to the conclusion that a "liberal" shot the bullet at Lou Dobbs house, based on what? Speculation. Nothing more, nothing less. And from that speculation, some are calling for payback. That's just f'n crazy. Has nothing to do with "conservative" or "liberal," that's mental.
B. If I bring up the possibility that it may have been a hunter's bullet, it's because the police who regularly patrol the area and who respond to those types of calls often, say it's a likely possibility. It's not a proven fact, yet, but it's certainly likely, just like if it's below zero, there's black ice on a hilly road, and you see a car at the bottom of the hill stuck in a snow drift, it's likely, though not fact, that the car slid down the ice. Common sense gives us clues, but let's investigate to find out for sure before we come to a definite conclusion.
C. Personally, I think if someone did shoot at Dobbs' house purposely, they should have the book thrown at them. Is that statement liberal bias? Am I blinded by my political disposition, quite frankly which none of you know what it even really is? If you think that, then God bless you, but don't expect to be taken seriously by people who are seeking truth.
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 6:11PM
Who are you, Raul, and why are you here? Smug, self-righteous liberal loser, we don't give a flying fig what you think.
It's painfully obvious that liberals are incapable of self-rule--just look at the mess in the White House.
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 6:32PM
Raul,
You wrote these three statements in your post of 3:24AM:
"You all jumped the gun way to quick on this."
"This was probably a stray bullet."
"But again, let them finish the damn investigation before we start laying blame!"
Again, cognitive dissonance.
You're positive it wasn't some lefty, so right-wingers are being unfair. But it's okay for you state another probability of what happened.
Hypocrite.
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 8:54PM
Wow, those are some far out mental acrobatics, don't get hurt!
To say something is probable is not the same thing as to affirm it.
If I say "It's probably going to rain tonight because there are many dark clouds about," and then it doesn't rain, I haven't been really been contradicted. However, if I had said "It's definitely going to rain tonight because there are many dark clouds about," and it doesn't rain, then I have been contradicted.
It's not rocket science, you know.
When someone above said that it's within reason to think that a "lefty" shot at Dobbs house, that person won't be proved wrong if it turns out it wasn't a "lefty" who shot at his house. Because that person never affirmed that it was a "lefty," just that it's within reason.
Seriously, you guys talk of biases, but you can't even see what's in front of your nose because of your awful biases spoon fed to you by drug addicts like Rush Limbaugh (that would make him a criminal, right?)
Nick| 10.31.09 @ 9:15PM
The only one involved in semantic gymnastics is you, brainiac.
By the way, the someone who said it was "within reason to think a that a 'lefty' shot at Dobbs house", was me, Einstein.
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 6:07PM
Is Raul Jeremiah's evil twin? Don't really know and don't really care, both are moronic liberal trolls.
Can you say Fascist Liberal L.O.S.E.R.S?
Raul| 10.31.09 @ 6:11PM
Angel,
Go back to grade school before you make any more posts and stop embarrassing yourself.
You have nothing to offer here, other than your ignorance.
Angel| 10.31.09 @ 6:13PM
Get out of here, troll--YOU'RE the one who doesn't belong here. Go back to your fellow liberal freaks and perverts at HuffPo; it's where you belong.
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Here’s Some Real Hate Speech for You « Immigration Watch International links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Pete| 10.31.09 @ 8:24PM
What a bunch of BS. All these posts and nothing said whatsoever. It's obvious the liberals are mentally challenged. A shot was fired, it just might have been a stray bullet from hunters. What is needed is a ordinance on hunting near homes. simple enough, but the liberals want to impose their BS about this and that concerning guns, hate speech, and every other POS point they can think of. Bunch of losers.
Ken| 11.1.09 @ 9:13AM
"The only reason I'm even on American Spectator is because I'm amazed, truly amazed, at how fast Glenn Beck, O'Reilly, the author of this original blog and so many others like those who are posting on this comment board have jumped to the conclusion that a "liberal" shot the bullet at Lou Dobbs house, based on what? Speculation. Nothing more, nothing less.."
Which is precisely the point Mr. Lord was making.
Liberal media repeatedly make the assertion that Conservative commentators such as O'Reilly, Beck, and Limbaugh are responsible for violent acts committed against others who were criticized by the commentators, absent any evidence. Witness Olberman and others blaming O'Reilly for the murder of later term abortionist George Tiller.
Jeffrey Lord is indulging in a thought experiment here: "Let's use the same tactics against them and see if they're smart enough to see the foolishness and unfairness of it."
Alas, he overestimates the self awareness of the leftist partisans. They see the absurdity of the tactic, they just don't understand that it is one of their own favorite gambits.
Raul| 11.1.09 @ 10:50AM
How exasperating and amusing it is to read your pseudo intellectual musing, Ken. So, in other words, what your saying is O'Reilly, Beck and Limbaugh don't really mean what they say, they're just saying it to see if the other side realizes that they don't really mean what they say, but are saying it in a clever, ironic way to point out the "error of liberals'" ways? You can't seriously believe that, can you??
Because Jeffrey Lord's musings are one thing, but another is the fact that conservative commentators really are saying it was a liberal who shot at Dobbs, and if you take language for what it's worth, that's b.s. because we don't know who shot the bullet.
Will some conservative on this board please recognize the simple fact that until we know who shot the bullet, we shouldn't say "a leftist shot the bullet." That's different from saying, "a leftists probably shot the bullet," which isn't really an affirmation.
Please, just that little acknowledgement so at least I'll know that this isn't the Twilight Zone and people who speak the same language can agree on the most basic of premises...
Or would you rather continue with the farce in order to show the "liberals" how putting up a farce is their game and now you will show them the absurdity of that by doing just that... and all that other b.s. Ken just wrote
Nick| 11.1.09 @ 11:48AM
Raul the Hypocrite,
Where was all this "reasonableness" back in August, when liberal commentators like Chris Matth-spews and Wesley Crusher...er...I mean Rachel Madcow were saying, "If anything happens to B.O., it will be because of the hate speech of talk-radio."
The only "conservative" commentator who has said the shooting was the result of the vitriolic hate speech spewed by liberals, to my knowledge, is Lou Dobbs.
The double standard is blinding. If Americans bring firearms to Tea Party rallies, it is because of "hate-radio" hosts like Rush and Beck. If someone takes a shot at Lou Dobbs wife, it has to be an accident, therefore not the fault of lefty hate speech hosts like Olbermann-child and Stephanie Miller.
Raul| 11.1.09 @ 4:27PM
Yeah, I guess expecting you to be reasonable was over the top, pie-in-they-sky liberal mularky on my part. My mistake. Won't make that one again.
Adios.
Nick| 11.1.09 @ 4:58PM
Gee, what a well thought out rebuttal to my arguments.
What a maroon! What a gul-a-bull!
Raul| 11.1.09 @ 5:39PM
You brainless shit, if you make any arguments, I'll rebut them, but you go off touching on every subject you ever heard about and somehow try to lamely tie them into what's being written about on this comment board, you make as much sense as an elephant's wet fart and it's pointless to try and talk to you. Your dad probably just screamed at you and so that's all you understand, so hear this: FUCK OFF!
Angel| 11.1.09 @ 11:20PM
You have mental health 'issues', Jeremiah. Seriously, you need medication, filthy mouthed freak.
Jeremiah, I can only shake my head at your immature, intemperate behavior. Shame on you; what would your mother say about your ill-chosen language?
Nick| 11.2.09 @ 12:20AM
Raul the Hypocrite,
How's you brother, Fidel?
Doing badly, I hope.
You know what they say, better dead than red.
My, you've really shown your intellectual capacity in this comment, haven't you? I don't know how I will ever recover from such a logical refutation of my posts.
I usually don't bring myself down to the maturity level of someone like yourself, but what the heck: YOU'RE A BIG POOPY-HEAD!
By the way, you know that mathematics is a science , don't you?
Angel| 11.1.09 @ 2:49PM
Funny. Liberals are shooting at Lou Dobbs, but the REAL PROBLEM is Rightist hate speech.
Funny.
Raul = LibReader/Jeremiah. Loser.
Nick| 11.1.09 @ 3:53PM
Happy All Saints Day, Angel.
Hope all is well. God Bless.
Angel| 11.1.09 @ 6:17PM
Blessed All Saints Day to you, too, Nick. I remember we used to have All Saints Day off from school (Catholic); after Mass in the morning, it was a blast for my brothers, sisters and me to check out our candy stash from the night before.
Great memories; we always had a lot of fun together. Take care and have a great week.
Angel
Liberal Reader| 11.1.09 @ 5:24PM
Angel --
Again, there is NO evidence that ANYone shot "at" Dobbs or his home, let alone a "liberal".
The police spokesperson said that it was LIKELY a stray bullet from a hunter's rifle.
The bullet did not come anywhere NEAR Dobbs. It struck the ROOF of his house.
Again: if this really were an "attack" by an armed liberal (an absurd enough concept), then conservatives clearly have little to fear.
Not that any facts will stop you people. They never do, on any issue, but it's worth keeping SOME touch with the reality-based world.
Angel| 11.1.09 @ 6:11PM
HAHAHAHA!!! LibReader/Jeremiah/Raul; you are such a predictable clown. It's fun to toy with you.
I know you own a gun(s)--you're probably the crazy Lou Dobbs' shooter and you're probably a TRUTHER, too!
Nick| 11.2.09 @ 12:31AM
Marxist Reader,
Hey, you never answered my questions about "vermin" being fascist lingo:
Is this in "Classic Fascist Quotes" volume one or volume two? Is it in the classic "Hitler's Joke Book"?
Or is it in "Things Uncle Joe got His Useful Idiots to Say Without Thinking"? (That would be Joseph Stalin, for those of you in Rio Linda.)
And Mr. Cartman was obviously talking about self-defense, as I showed. You must agree, as you stopped trying to make your case.
Where were YOU on the day of the shooting? And on Nov. 22, 1963?
Angel| 11.2.09 @ 1:19PM
LibReader is a tongue flicking Maoist, just like his freakish hero, Cotton Mouth Anita Dunn. Mao is the alpha dog of twentieth century Communist mass murderers; who better to represent American liberals today?
Liberal Reader| 11.2.09 @ 1:43AM
As for your remark about 22 Nov., fuck off, Nick. I don't know if you're joking, but it's not funny.
And I don't shoot people, own guns, or particularly like talking about it like idiots around here do.
Hitler's propaganda was full of talk about exterminating "vermin." It was also popular in Rwanda during the genocide there.
I stopped arguing with you about that moron earlier in the thread because it became BORING. You simply deny what is as plain as day.
Just like you simply assert -- despite the agreement of all historians and political scientists to the contrary -- that Nazis were somehow "socialists." To prove this, you point out that they put "socialist" in their name, effectively taking Nazi propaganda as fact. Next you'll tell me that the USSR was truly a Republic! That's what that "R" stands for, after all. It must be true!
Nick| 11.2.09 @ 1:54AM
Marxist Reader,
Are you manic-depressive? Or bi-polar? Or whatever they're calling it these days? You seem to have a Jekyll and Hyde thing going on here.
You're turning into Raul the Hypocrite.
Take some lithium and try reading "Liberal Fascism" by Jonah Goldberg to learn something about fascism and socialism.
Nick| 11.2.09 @ 1:56AM
By the way, you know that mathematics is a science, don't you?
Angel| 11.2.09 @ 1:10PM
LR/Jeremiah is schizoid, as in Schizoid Personality Disorder (SPD).
Angel| 11.2.09 @ 1:12PM
LibReader, earlier in 2009, when you were posing as Jeremiah, you stated that you owned guns. Which is it; a lie then or a lie now? Liar.
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joe| 11.12.09 @ 10:41AM
Lou and you conservatives go F. yourselves, at least we liberals are not big headed a.hole bigots.
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