The American Spectator

Pete| 10.16.09 @ 11:12AM

I'd like to see that gassbag Wilbon debate Stephen A. Smith on the subject...high comedy.

Oldefarte| 10.16.09 @ 11:18AM

Wilbon is a typical liberal that believes in SAY/DO AS I 'SAY', NOT AS I 'DO'----in other words, he's a HYPOCRITE!!!!

Liberal Reader| 10.16.09 @ 11:30AM

Mr Lord,

Wilbon's column is not very well argued, and I hear your side of this story.

Conservatives would have every right to fear that ANY criticism of Obama would be viewed as "racism": such an environment would be extremely toxic and bad for this country.

And there ARE fools who don't like Rush, generating foolish criticisms of him.

However, Rush's critics don't entirely exonerate him. You know that's not how it works.

Let's remember, too: the NFL made a BUSINESS decision.

No one is infringing on Limbaugh's rights. It wasn't an act of Congress that made this decision; it was a group of BUSINESS MEN concerned about their bottom line.

At least Limbaugh can be grateful he's not a sick person being deleted from a health insurance company's roles for business reasons.

Sick of it| 10.16.09 @ 12:25PM

The NFL made the decision based on the lies generated against Limbaugh.

JP| 10.16.09 @ 1:15PM

"Let's remember, too: the NFL made a BUSINESS decision."

Actually, the NFL made no decision. It was the group of investors headed by Mr. Checkits that dropped Rush. And it probably wasn't a business decision. Rumors abound that none other than George Soros wants to replace Rush. If this is indeed the case, Limbaugh has a very good case for Libel.

Rush has no intentions of following the litigation route; he is already a very wealthy man. But if he wanted to litigate for the sport of it, he could tie the entire deal up in court for years, and possibly extract millions in lost revenues from a whole host of racebaiters.

Jeffrey Lord| 10.16.09 @ 3:24PM

LR...

If someone made up a bunch of phony "LR Quotes"...and as a result you lost out on something you wanted to do, an opportunity resulting from someone who came to you..that's important, they came to you...and than the whole thing blows up and you are made to look like a...let's pick racist out of the blue...because of these made up quotes, I suspect you, LR, would not be happy. As a matter of fact, if you found out who exactly made up the quotes...and who was circulating them in the American media and refused to retract and apologize...I even bet you, LR, would have one thought: Sue.

And LR, my sparring partner, you would be right to think that thought.

The fact here is that Rush is being punished for being a conservative. That's it. (Maybe a little jealousy, too. After all, all these commentators nipping at his ankles aren't making money like Rush, doubtless cause for resentment.)

Liberal Reader| 10.16.09 @ 5:13PM

Mr Lord,

Limbaugh's free to sue, of course. It sounds to me like there was ONE quote circulating -- something about slavery -- that Limbaugh did not say.

This is not the basis of my claim that Limbaugh engages in race baiting.

Saying a black quarter back is being touted by the media ONLY because he's black is a kind of -- mild -- race baiting.

The central activity of race baiting is always to propound the notion that the REAL victims of oppression or racism are powerful white males.

And here we have the results: the chortling millionaire from the radio is the TRUE victim of the racists in the Obama administration who cojoled the racists in the investment community to reject his bid to buy a football team!

The truth is that the NFL -- like any business -- just doesn't want controversey. They don't want people talking about Rush Limbaugh on Sunday afternoons; they want them watching football (and the sponsors' commercials).

Sounds like well-oiled capitalism at work to me.

Coco32| 10.16.09 @ 11:37AM

I do not believe you read the same article by Mr. Wilbon as I did. He was not, AT ALL, judging Mr. Limbaugh by his color, but by the statments that he has made on his radio show. You do not have to listen to every show to know what Mr. Limbaugh has said. ALL of America heard his comments about Donovan McNabb. He has a history of making incendiary comments about race - especially blacks. In fact, at the end of Mr. Wilbon's article, he says that he wonders what would have happend had Mr. Limbaugh become part owner of the team - would his views and ideas of black have been changed? You must admit that Mr. Limbaugh has made insensitive and downright racists comments about blacks. The current president is a black man, so it would seem that one could induce that his views include our current president. Thus, one could also deduce that part of the reason Mr. Limbaugh wants the current President to fail is because of his race.

We are all entitled to our opinions, however, the opinions in this article are not at all based in fact.

tonypal| 10.16.09 @ 12:23PM

With respect to Donovan McNabb, you really need to want to hear racism in order to believe that was a racial attack on McNabb. It was an attack on the political correctness of the liberal sports media. Plain and simple.

As for his wish that Obama fails, it has nothing to do with his race. It has to do with his politics and the fact that Limbaugh, like any sensible American, does not want the implementation of Obama's radical, socialist agenda.

The problem is that there are people out there, liberal blacks and liberal whites alike, who claim to want all people to be treated the same but don't truly believe it. For example, Rush and other prominent conservatives hammered Bill Clinton endlessly over his policies, many of which were similar to Obama's. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Clinton's a white guy. Now he goes after a black president, as people have gone after all presidents throughout time and we are to believe it's racism.

So what's it gonna be? Do we hold Obama to the same standard as others, or does he get special treatment?

Liberal Reader| 10.16.09 @ 11:39AM

Limbaugh has without question engaged in race baiting. ONLY the most conservative fans of Limbaugh would deny this.

However, Wilbon's point seems too close to arguing that criticism of the president is racism. That I cannot agree with.

Calling Obama a "racist" is pretty hateful, race-bating stuff, and Limbaugh is an expert user of the dog whistle.

tonypal| 10.16.09 @ 12:25PM

You know, I've heard many people use this term "race baiting" and have seen you employ it quite a bit recently. So I'm curious; would you please explain what you mean by race baiting.

JP| 10.16.09 @ 1:17PM

"Limbaugh has without question engaged in race baiting. ONLY the most conservative fans of Limbaugh would deny this. "

Prove it. Supply exact quotes -and by quotes not second had sources from blogs or news articles. Supply quotes from public transcripts.

Lauria Grant| 10.17.09 @ 5:44PM

Can you name one example where Mr Limbaugh has engaged in race baiting. But be careful, you have to establish your case unequivocally. You can't use Limbaugh's calling Mr Obama a racist as an example if he (Limbaugh) gives valid reasons for making the statement. Therefore, my friend, you have to consider the premise (Obama is a racist) and the reasons before you can establish your case.

The problem with discourse in this country is that logic has a hard time prevailing.

Cpm| 10.16.09 @ 11:58AM

Nice projection, guys, that's some fantasy world you liberals live in.

Vanilla64| 10.16.09 @ 12:24PM

Coco32:

Sir, I hate to disagree with you, but, please. Do you know the quote Limbaugh had about Donovan McNabb. Really? Here it is.

"I think the media is very desirous that a black quarterback do well. They're interested in black coaches and black quarterbacks doing well. I think there is a little hope invested in McNabb and he gets a lot of credit for the performance of his team that he really didn't deserve."

Now, Coco32, I don't know about you, but when I read that, I see a man commenting on the media here in the U.S. more so than a man commenting on the talents of McNabb.

The challenges we face on race today are exacerbated because we cannot discuss them in any context without being accused of racism. It has become a sad state of affairs.

If you would like to discuss some facts which would get me accused of racism, we could start with the toxic culture in black America, leading to tragic percentages of broken homes, high school dropouts, incarceration rates, out of wedlock births, on and on. Of course, we can't discuss any of this 'cause then I'd be racist.

Flee| 10.16.09 @ 4:01PM

You hit the nail on the head. Rush was pointing out the hypocracy of the sports media wanting McNabb to succeed more so than other QBs based on his race. Wilbon is a part of that sports media that supported the charade. McNabb simple wanted to succeed as a QB and I don't think he was ever overtly campaigned for special treatment (he was a #2 overall choice after all). Success was to be expected from him and his brethren in the media pushed for him to be allowed a long time to get there. A number of other QBs from the same period have come and gone from the scene and McNabb is still there. Did he get and deserve kid-glove treatment? I don't think he deserved it but his supporters in the media certainly wanted him to get his fair share of chances. Rush was simply pointing it out and it hit too close to home with the media and they had him forced out.

Interested Conservative| 10.16.09 @ 1:41PM

"Benign neglect"

Andrew B| 10.16.09 @ 3:03PM

OK, just so I am clear on this, a question of our liberal friends. I want President Obama's healthcare initiative to fail. I likewise wanted President Clinton's healthcare initiative to fail. If one is a racist for wishing failure on one, what is the explanation for wishing failure on the other?

steponbugs| 10.16.09 @ 3:50PM

Andrew, come on, of course you're a racist...our first black president WAS William Jefferson Clinton, remember...?

MikeN| 10.16.09 @ 7:24PM

Vanilla, that's not what Rush said at all. Where did you get that quote from?

It's a little sad that Michael Wilbon and Jason Whitlock took the positions that they did. They generally go against the race hustling line.
Whitlock left ESPN, and said that Scoop Jackson(the ESPN columnist) 'bojangles.'

Bill Simmons was a voice of reason when the Donovan McNabb comments first came out, actually understanding what Rush said, and debunking that instead of the straw man in liberals' mind. He pointed out that Steve McNair hasn't been getting media hype. Now Simmons acts like Rush's comments were a big deal.

Craig| 10.16.09 @ 8:51PM

Limbaugh hasn't even entered the NFL and already he's caused a big race riot between Democrats and Republicans which is exactly why he shouldn't be involved in Football. Given his racist remarks in the past, as a mixed person who is half Black, I am extremely uncomfortable with him in the game. The only person who won't acknowledge Limbaugh's racism, are racists and likely republicans. End of story! Keep the man out of football. I am not interested in a race war because he's making anti-Black slurs and giving the game 1940s era feel. Football has no place for racism. Done!

C-DOG| 10.17.09 @ 1:21AM

Craig, if you had any idea how many countless hours like minded liberal hacks have spent combing over every syllable rush has uttered (we’re talking 3 hrs a day, 5 days a week for over twenty yrs ) and they haven’t found ANYTHING. I guarantee, if they did, you would have seen it on the front page, lead story, in BOLD TYPE on your favorite liberal rag! But you didn’t, did you? You can’t beat Rush intellectually so have to keep spreading the racist lies, kind of pathetic.

Paul| 10.17.09 @ 2:13PM

It seems to me that all the negative vibes this blowhard (Rush Hudson Limbaugh A.KA. Jeff Christie) has been spewing over these many years has come back to blow back on his face (A classic “Blow Back”). He always tries to give off the airs that he can have anything he wants but as we all witness those with more money and more influence tossed him aside like sack of potatoes and the ultimate insult was that it was done in public (money don’t buy you everything butterball).

Now of course he blames everyone else (Michael J. Fox, Perez Hilton, Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Obama, Oprah Winfrey, Sonia Sotomayor, Hillary Clinton, Olympia Snowe, ESPN, NFL, the media, basically people of color, the handicapped, women and gays) when of course all you have to do is listen to his show and plainly hear his daily prejudices filled sermons. So NFL, I salute you decision, job well done. And to the whaling cry baby perched on his self made pedestal, quit your whining it was your own fault. Don’t we all feel better?

Chris| 10.17.09 @ 2:28PM

Paul you are living in your own personal reality that has nothing to do with true reality. Someday we will have some justice...

Chris| 10.17.09 @ 2:26PM

Its the obliviousness of people like Wilbon who will ensure that racism will live on for some time to come. He can't fathom color-blindness, how could he work toward it? Sad...

Paul| 10.17.09 @ 3:26PM

He is reaping what he has sowed. Karma, "plain and simple" (like his followers).

ELK| 10.17.09 @ 7:08PM

This is a terrific intellectual debate.

Liberals say Rush is known to be a race baiter.
Conservatives say: Prove it.

Liberals say Rush is well known for his racist statements.
Conservatives say: where are they?

Liberals say we don't listen to Rush so we can't find them, but we know he is racist because we just know.

There are instances where liberals have actually listened to Rush, and they changed their opinion. Rush calls this "The Raspberry Effect", for the column in 1993 where William Raspberry apologized to Rush after actually listening to his program.

For intellectual honesty, are there any liberals willing to actually listen to Rush and conduct The Raspberry Experiment?

Montana| 10.18.09 @ 8:53PM

Rush Limbaugh: Transcript of radio broadcast from Oct. 14, 2008
By Keith Vance
TRANSCRIPT OF RUSH LIMBAUGH ON HIS RADIO SHOW FROM OCT. 14, 2008

Editor’s note: This is a verbatim transcript of Limbaugh explaining how ACORN, Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and Jeremiah Wright are all involved in a radical leftwing conspiracy to teach black kids to hate America.

From the time of my birth 57 years ago to today, this country has grown and expanded, prosperity has opened its doors for more and more people around the world, not just people born in this country.

We know the stories of asians immigrating and running rings around people born in this country academically in California. We know all about the immigration, legal and illegal, to get into the country. We know that the standard of living has risen. We know that technological advancement is going along at light speed.

And yet, during this period of time, whether it be the last 57 years, or the last 20 years, it seems that the majority of the black population has remained angry, frustrated and behind – they’ve been left behind. They’re acting like they’ve been left behind, and of course we’ve heard that this is because of racism, natural systemic institutional racism in America. We’re unfair. That this country is just horrible and rotten.

Do you ever ask yourself how it is that people not even born here can come here and in a few short years begin prospering in school, they’re own business, and yet people who are born in this country somehow have been raised to hate it – to still think they’re back in the days of slavery.

I actually think, after studying all this ACORN stuff, and reading what Stanley Kurtz has written about this, I actually believe that what has taken place here, in addition to liberal Democrat legislation – such as the great society and the war on poverty, which a lot of people would now acknowledge really busted up the black family by the government taking the place of a husband and father – he’s free to roam around and bear no responsibility. The mother remained the mother, she got the financial assistance from this legislation from the federal government. The federal government became the father. The father didn’t have to hang around in order for the kids to be OK – depending on how you define OK.

And as you study more and more of this ACORN stuff you find that it has been part of an entire movement that has been going for two maybe three decades right under our noses. We thought that it was just liberal welfare policies and all that that kept blacks from progressing while other minorities grew and prospered but no. It is these wackos from Bill Ayers to Jeremiah Wright to other anti-american afro-centric black liberation theologists, working with ACORN, and Barack Obama is smack dab in the middle of it. They have been training young black kids to hate hate hate this country. And they trained their parents before that to hate hate hate this country. It was a movement. It was a Bill Ayers anti-capitalist anti-american educational movement. ACORN is how it was implemented right under our noses.

They’re doing far more folks than just cheating when it comes to elections and registration. They’re in deep in this mortgage crisis. ACORN and Obama, and Barney Frank and Chris Dodd, the Democrat Party have their fingerprints the sub-prime mortgage crisis. The whole concept of affordable housing was people who can’t afford a mortgage are going to get one, because America is unfair.

It has been a movement. It has been a religion. And Obama and Jeremiah Wright and William Ayers were all up to their big ears in it.

ELK| 10.18.09 @ 9:55PM

I DO NOT TRUST POSTS LIKE THIS.

PLEASE GIVE WEB CITATIONS AS TO THE SOURCE!

Paul| 10.23.09 @ 1:45PM

Was the $20K fine enough? Maybe when Taitz becomes a real lawyer she will appreciate what just happened. I wonder if she is a mail order bride, just like her law degree? She is perfect reporter material for “Fake News”, where unfounded rumors and innuendo reign supreme , unlike a our US courts of law, where you need to present documented facts, not half baked lies (prepare for more failures). When flies get too close to the lights they get burned, Taitz just got burned, thing is, like a fly she will continue, no end in sight. Poor little Birthers they are haters not debaters.

A lawyer, dentist, realtor and black belt, wow I must say a JACK of all trades master of none.

The NFL decides who becomes an owner not the other way around.

All this blowhard (Rush Hudson Limbaugh A.KA. Jeff Christie) has to offer is his money and his opinions, (which in my opinion are on the fringes of racism, one mans opinion). There are many more groups biding for the Rams, not just his group. Lets face it there are more men with money (Marshall Faulk) that will gladly fill the slot and the Rams will win or lose depending on how well they work as a team and not on whether or not Rush is an owner.

As for Vick, well he is a player (he has talent not like you, Rush or I, unless you are a NFL player?) and he served his time and the NFL decided we live in the land of second chances, so why not (I personally don’t like it but, oh well). Life has never been fair (NEWS FLASH!)

Now as to the “Free Speech” argument, I guess many of you like myself heard Rush on Thursday “Almost in tears”, priceless. But the last couple of days he now is in his normal ranting and will continue until someone surpasses him, “Free Speech” continues, so what is being stifled, it simply is not true, of course, you may not have a radio, so you might want to get one.

http://www.chasingevil.org/200.....words.html

PS – I am sure someone is working to put the tapes together maybe all you subscribers can help, since you are all about getting to the truth?

PPS- Beauty Pageant Judge - Now I understand why he lost the weight, to find a new wife, creepy.

Bob Mebane| 10.25.09 @ 6:24PM

Wilbon gets more annoying every year, he not only doesnt know what he is talking about he also has a chip on his shoulder about race. I dont know who nauseates me more, him or Colman McCarthy.