The American Spectator

Basil Plumley| 8.17.09 @ 6:25PM

Mr Lord

You said-Respectfully, David, you did. You left your integrity on the set.

I think you assume a bit too much. Frum is part of the "opportunist right". They are conservative as long as it benefits their chance for advancement.

Frum needs to get off his knees at the altar of Bill Moyers.

Other than that; excellent insight, Mr Lord .

Teflon93| 8.17.09 @ 7:13PM

One must have integrity in order to lose it.

Ran| 8.17.09 @ 7:14PM

Ouch.

Liberal Reader| 8.17.09 @ 7:51PM

Mr Lord --

Levin, Beck and Limbaugh have tacitly invited political violence -- otherwise known as terrorism -- against the government by repeatedly calling Obama and the Democrats "fascists" and "Nazis."

A few on the left may have occasionally engaged in this kind of rhetoric, and it was irresponsible and rash for them to do so.

However, Beck, Levin, and Limbaugh occupy 9 hours of talk radio time a day, and they repeat these false and completely hateful assertions again and again, week in and week out.

If you don't think this is capable of provoking the more disturbed in your ranks to violence, then you're a total fucking idiot.

LaFong| 8.17.09 @ 7:58PM

I saw this on a website somewhere about Frum. If he was a movie the title would be Frum Here to Nonentity.

Nobody would pay the slightest bit of attention to this lowlife unless he was a useful idiot for leftwingers.

LaFong| 8.17.09 @ 8:14PM

Hey Liberal Reader, the main threat of violence to Obama is by himself. Every day the guy shoots himself in the foot or thrusts his foot in his mouth.

The left has been deranged for years. Jim Jones, the liberal-left San Francisco People's Temple was a darling of the Bay Area liberal establishment for years. The Weathermen, Black panthers, SDS, Sirhan Sirhan, Lee Oswald, Puerto Rican Nationalists, Move, all leftists and all involved in murder or mass murder. The recent elections, 2000, 2004, 2008 all saw numerous violent sabotage, thuggery, tire slashings, sign burnings and outright intimidation by leftists. On campuses, leftists routinely shout down and prevent non-leftists from speaking.

HawaiianNinja| 8.17.09 @ 8:14PM

Quote Liberal Reader: "If you don't think this is capable of provoking the more disturbed in your ranks to violence, then you're a total fucking idiot. "

As noted from the column, more often than not, violence is perpetrated from the left. And it's these attacks on the person, rather than the idea, that present a fine example.

KevlarKevin| 8.17.09 @ 8:18PM

Liberal Fascist Reader is back and so desperate for attention he's dropping the f-bomb. Ha.

James| 8.17.09 @ 8:20PM

Dear Liberal Reader,

To read your comment is too look deeply into the very shallow liberal soul.

You have zero points to make to debate the assertions so your revert to form and declare your complete lack of intellect and use obscenity.

Thank you for very revealing point of view.

Jeffrey Lord| 8.17.09 @ 8:25PM

"If you don't think this is capable of provoking the more disturbed in your ranks to violence, then you're a total fucking idiot. "

Well, OK then. So all that hate Reagan stuff prompted John Hinckley? You're sorry about that right?

With respect, LR, you guys have a taste for violence - and then saying the rest of us made you do it. You guys lynched your way through a good bit of the 20th century but thought Social Security more important so ...hey...no big deal.

Please tell me the right-winger who shot a president? Name? You don't have it. These people you deride are on air those 9 hours speaking out for simple freedom, liberty, individual rights. You guys want control...that's your thing. If you can't get it....from Booth to Oswald that's what your guys do. The track record on this tilts left - very far left. From the National Socialists (Nazis) to the Communists to the Fascists. Sorry LR....clean up your nest. There were no Klansmen at these health care rallies...Union thugs, on the hand, beat up the black guy. You live in an imaginary world wrapped in an ideological shroud of untruths. Lazarus, come forth! :)

Lakewoodbob| 8.17.09 @ 8:27PM

Frum is a self aggrandizing schmuck who pretends to be a conservative so he will get invited on left wing programs to bad-mouth real conservative. Moyers, of course, can best be described as a pseudo-intellectual moron who has the distinction of being so repulsive even LBJ couldn't tolerate him!

Solo| 8.17.09 @ 8:38PM

"It;s not that liberals are ignorant. It's just that so much of what they 'know' isn't so'"

Ronald Reagan

Dan| 8.17.09 @ 8:41PM

Lord, too bad you weren't near my neighborhood, because I'd surely buy you a few cold ones.

Let it rip!

Angel| 8.17.09 @ 9:12PM

"You guys lynched your way through a good bit of the 20th century..." Just damn! That shot went straight through the heart. At the very least, it had to leave a nasty mark!

LR/Jeremiah is the typical liberal; they always try to slink away from their shameful racist past.

Awesome, Jeff! Thank you.

BD57| 8.17.09 @ 9:24PM

Frum is pathetic - I'm glad he's on LR's side these days.

I agree with the characterization of Frum as "opportunist" - no self-respecting conservative would sit still in the presence of Bill Moyers for 5 minutes, let alone go on a tv show controlled by Moyers.

Kathleen Hussein in Maine| 8.17.09 @ 9:28PM

I'm here because one of my right wing relatives posted a bit from this on his Facebook page. After shuddering my way past Michelle Malkin's little advert greeting, I read along. I'm not going to argue every point, I respect the calling of hypocrisy on all sides. But...oh, yes, John Wilkes Booth, raging liberal. He may have been a Democrat as defined then, but he was, shall we say, executing the original Southern strategy perfected by the right wing. The loss to the North was galling enough. Giving the black man the vote was not to be borne. And from there you go, on through history's left wing assassins and would-be, including John Hinckely, born in blood-red Oklahoma, raised in Highland Park, sick-in-the-head scion of a family in the Oil Business!!! But goodness, yes, it must have been Jodie Foster's liberalism that turned him into a leftwing nut job. Reagan was in office only a few months at the time, he'd only begun to do the epic damage that inspired real fear and loathing. None of it worth shooting the man for, mind you, but spare us your ridiculous rationalization on this front. Why wreck a good argument with these really weak examples?

Jeffrey Lord| 8.17.09 @ 10:14PM

Kathleen Hussein...

"But...oh, yes, John Wilkes Booth, raging liberal. He may have been a Democrat as defined then, but he was, shall we say, executing the original Southern strategy perfected by the right wing. "

First of all, welcome Kathleen! Seriously. Thanks for the thoughts.

Now...Gee...The Democratic Party spent about the first 165 years of its existence (1800-1965) supporting the idea that Americans should be judged by color. They supported slavery, segregation, the Ku Klux Klan, lynching. It used this idea to elect presidents from Jefferson to Buchanan, then Cleveland, Wilson and FDR - but not Truman, who essentially began to undo the damage. A segregationist was on the 1952 ticket, and a one-time fervent segregationist on the 1960 and 1964 tickets. He (that would be LBJ) began undoing what he had supported as a Congressman and Senator, what Democrats had supported when they opposed the GOP on the 13th 14th and 15th amendments, not mention the Civil Rights laws of 1866 and 1875.

Alas, after finally catching up to the conservative position of a hundred years earlier (see above) liberals still couldn't shake the bug and launched into the latest bit of racial identity politics, known as racial quotas and identity politics.

In short, everything about your party is now - and sadly has always been - about race. You look at Barack Obama and see a black president - we see The President who is a left-winger. You look at the Supreme Court and see that hateful black Justice Thomas - we see Justice Thomas the conservative. Etc, etc, etc etc.

Welcome Kathleen. Genuine dialogue to be found here in a thousand threads...

Bill C| 8.17.09 @ 10:42PM

Frum is simply trying to claim the mantle of "moderation" to marginalize his small government opponents on the Right. Rush and Levin (for all their faults on foriegn policy... imo), still philosophically believe in limited government. Big government neo-cons are hostile to the concept and believe it's a political liability. Frum is positioning his ideological neoconservativism to be the "moderate face" of the conservative movement. His extremism in foreign policy has--and will--continue to merit the same attacks he now condemns in his ideological opponents on the right. In fact he was himself the most notorious peddler of vitriol during the Bush years. He is simply carrying Irving Kristol's water who arrogantly proclaimed: "Viewed in this way, one can say that the historical task and political purpose of neoconservatism would seem to be this: to convert the Republican party, and American conservatism in general, against
their respective wills, into a new kind of conservative politics suitable to governing a modern democracy." http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/000tzmlw.asp

Here is a comment I submitted to "New Majority" Aug 15, 2009 at 2:32 pm but only "allowed" 150+ comments later:

David Frum’s hypocrisy is galling and he needs to be called on it. His recent onslaught of articles labeling his ideological opponents on the right intemperate and dangerous would be laudable… if he didn’t stridently engage in the same tactics himself:

This is the man who challenged the place of anti- Iraq War critics in their own country and smeared them as, yes, NAZI defeatists, in a cover story on the most “respectable” flagship magazine in the conservative world, National Review. A radio talk show selling soap it ain’t . Entitled “Unpatriotic Conservatives: A war against America” it reads as a hateful as any Rush Limbaugh rant. http://www.nationalreview.com/frum/frum031903.asp

“They began by hating the neoconservatives. They came to hate their party and this president. They have finished by hating their country.

War is a great clarifier. It forces people to take sides. The paleoconservatives have chosen — and the rest of us must choose too. In a time of danger, they have turned their backs on their country. Now we turn our backs on them.”

and, attacking Pat Buchanan’s valuable piece ( http://www.amconmag.com/article/2003/mar/24/00007 ) in the American Conservative:

“The echo in that previous paragraph of the Nazi slogan “Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Führer” is unlikely to have been unintentional. Yes, it was indeed time to “be frank about Jews.”

Try squaring the National Review piece with this post "It is possible to express opposition to a president’s policies without preposterous name-calling — without diminishing and disparaging the unique experiences of those who did actually suffer from actual persecution by actual Nazis. After all, you know who else trafficked in hysterical exaggeration? That’s right: Hitler!"

and another which Mr. Frum righteously proclaims:

“Everybody who respects the conventions of American democracy, which takes for granted the *basic good faith of people on the other side of the political divide*. Oh - and also - everybody who *does any real honor to the memories of the Nazis’ victims*.

The hypocrisy is remarkable. Indeed our neoconservative ideologue, has simply tried to re-brand himself with a series of calls for moderation. When his neoconservative brethren, like Frank Gaffney, accuse Obama of being a radical Muslim and thus sympathetic and actively supporting the Islamisist agenda we hear nothing from Mr. Frum. http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jun/09/americas-first-muslim-president/print/

Had Rush Limbaugh uttered the exact same “points” uber- Neocon Frank Gaffney makes in the Washington Times piece David Frum would cast him, rightfully, as “crazy” and “intemperate”. In the same vein why no response to Andy McCarthy of the aforementioned flagship magazine who proclaimed “The fact is that, as a man of the hard Left, Obama is more comfortable with a totalitarian Islamic regime than he would be with a free Iranian society.” ? http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=OTM0NTQ2OTdlZTNjNTJjYjgxNzFkN2JkOGE3YTgxZjM=

National Review and Washington Times, unlike Limbaugh, don’t do voice overs for soap commercials… they’re supposed to be a more serious venue for the exchange of ideas. Instead they are simply continuing on David Frum’s tactic of attacking someone patriotism and place in their country.

Why the double standard? Here’s my theory. David Frum, as a neocon, doesn’t really care about arresting the size of government while his targets do. He believes that the best way for his gang of neocons back to power is to concede t0 a larger domestic welfare state and loudly beat the drum on foreign policy. He wants to position the GOP as the “security” party and opposing possibly popular entitlements just makes it harder for David Frum and the neocons to advance their priority of creating a belligerent posture for the GOP and the United States. Why waste political capital opposing a possibly popular domestic agenda when we can attack his foreign policy posture? That is the purpose New Majority: to remake the right “moderate” on domestic issues and retain its extremism on foreign policy.

In sum David Frum has different priorities than his opponents and is using “any stick that’ll do” to bash them. During the Iraq debate it was the anti-war conservatives and their patriotism . Now it’s the small-government rhetoric from Rush and Mark Levin that might compromise his neoconservative project of putting “An End to Evil” (title of his book). It’s their tone. For his ideological brethren: zilch… no reprimand. He’s just as much of a unrepentant ideologue as Rush Limbaugh it’s just that he’s a neoconservative ideologue.

My advice on David Frum and his “moderation”: “Don’t get fooled again”

Or, perhaps, he is getting too much credit. Maybe his right wing critics are correct: He just is selling out to the left. His blog posts bashing the right are very popular in the left-wing blogosphere. Wouldn’t be the first time: http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/jan/28/00019/

Liberal Reader| 8.17.09 @ 10:52PM

Mr Lord --

I'm sick to death of being accused of being a traitor and a fascist by chickenshit punks who never served a day in there life -- in the military or anywhere else. That's one thing.

Another thing is this:

Make a list of the five most important events in American history since WWII, and I think the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK would make that list. The Oklahoma City bombing, carried out by right wing lunatics, would probably be there too.

JFK was killed by a Marxist; RFK was killed by an Islamic terrorist; MLK was killed by a racist.

I think Democrats know a thing or two about Marxism, terrorism, and racism: but what do we get from that beastly stew of misinformation and inflammatory demagoguery, Limbaugh? Why of course: Democrats are Marxist racists who sympathize with terrorism.

Well he can go fuck himself, and so can you, you sniveling little brat.

Today men showed up at a place where the president of the United States was speaking armed with automatic weapons. It's like living in fucking El Salvador.

Your a goddamn disgrace.

Angel| 8.17.09 @ 11:01PM

You didn't mention Senator Robert Byrd, old Democrat warhorse, KKK member extraordinaire who held the titles Exalted Cyclops and Kleagle (recruiter).

In a letter Byrd wrote to a fellow segregationist, Senator T. Bilbo, Byrd stated thus, "I shall never fight in the armed forces with a negro by my side....Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds."

This is the DISGUSTING DEMOCRAT RACISM that will forever stain the reputation of their party. Can you imagine if a Republican had written this hate? But we didn'; a Democrat wrote it--and he's still serving in the Senate.

I've always known that liberals were hypocrites--but Byrd's quote made it crystal clear just HOW HUGE their hypocrisy is.

I really had no idea until now and it's shocking.

Angel| 8.17.09 @ 11:16PM

And "YOUR" a fool, LR/Jeremiah--and we're sick to death of your snotty, phony posturing and lecturing.

Besides, one of the clowns carrying an automatic weapon was one of YOUR guys. The Phoenix police weren't concerned, there were no disturbances and no arrests. Stop looking for trouble.

Jeffrey Lord| 8.17.09 @ 11:16PM

"I'm sick to death of being accused of being a traitor and a fascist "

Gee...Where did I say that?

"Well he can go fuck himself, and so can you, you sniveling little brat. "

Hey...LR...In the immortal words of Cher...Snap Out of It!!!!!! You can do a whole lot better than that! What's the matter with you?

Angel| 8.17.09 @ 11:21PM

LR, you want us to be more like Venezuela: Where the people are unarmed and the government is a Marxist thugocracy. I forgot.

Michelle| 8.17.09 @ 11:24PM

Funny, the only foul language to be found here was written by a liberal--like Kathleen.

Ran| 8.17.09 @ 11:30PM

"Levin, Beck and Limbaugh have tacitly invited political violence -- otherwise known as terrorism -- against the government by repeatedly calling Obama and the Democrats "fascists" and "Nazis.""

Wow, man. [sucks-in another toke.] That's heavy [coughs] ..That's.. [coughs blue smoke again] That's heavy, man. [incoherent chuckles] Gotta give up Meeja Madders, man. Bad acid. [incoherent chuckles]

Kathleen Hussein in Maine| 8.17.09 @ 11:50PM

Jeffrey -- thanks for calling it the Democratic Party.

I'm not going to defend the transgressions of the Democrats in the way back machine. I'm curious though. The people who formed the Republican party, were none them racists or had racist forebears? Were the Whigs noted for being abolitionists? Did know Republicans or conservatives slaugher Native Americans in the conquest of the West (and been killed in turn)? There's enough blame to go around.

I think we can go tit-for-tat on who did what to whom when, which party they were rooted in and which party they ended up in. In terms of leftist radicals and their assassination track record, it seems to me that the people who have power tend to be made conservative by it, if not in their dogma than simply in their becoming the establishment. And so the people out of power who sometimes resort to desperate measures are coming from a more radical position, which has lately been the left.

Also, if you're willing to pick up a gun to fight tyranny, to stick it to the man, what does that make our Founders? Lefties or Righties? Just like there's enough blame to go around for past misdeeds, I think we can all take credit for the radicals who formed this nation.

I'm looking up at how shocked, shocked Angel is at what Robert Byrd said back in the day. I'm old enough to remember my lovely Irish-American grandma, mother to two Republicans and one Democrat (my side of the family, thank God), spouting off the vilest racist and anti-Semitic stuff like she was talking about the weather. Not to forgive it, but, wow, what a long way we've come. To the point where I see Barack Obama as a liberal who happens to be black, and isn't that exciting? And Clarence Thomas as a conservative who happens to be black and who looks like he's had a lot of pain in his life. He won't end up in the SC HOF, but he wasn't UNqualified when he was selected. And I see John Roberts and Antonin Scalia as brilliant, hyperqualified jurists who happen to white, who happen to be Catholic, and with whom I happen to disagree almost always.

I appreciate you giving me the time of day and showing me how it looks from your side of the prism. The racism this country was built on is disgusting. I'm not defending Democratic vileness in any era. I mean, for God's sake, Boss Tweed was a Democrat, it's not like I think our guys are all up there in heaven. But this seems like the conversation has become a gigantic sibling spat that's going to go Cain and Abel. He started it! And that's why, fast forward, it's copacetic that paranoid lonely guys are strapping on guns and carrying assault weapons to a Presidential appearance. Seems that's when you're fresh out anything constructive to say.

Michelle| 8.18.09 @ 12:03AM

You're not shocked by Byrd's words, Kathleen? Why not, because he's a democrat?

Missy| 8.18.09 @ 12:23AM

Kathleen, you're full of liberal canards. Predictable.

One of the guys carrying an automatic weapon was carrying a pro ObamaCare sign in the other hand.

Looks like you liberals are fresh out of constructive things to say--but you never had any constructive ideas in the first place so it's nothing new.

Lomax| 8.18.09 @ 12:35AM

Liberal Reader forgot some other great events, such as FDR's extension of the depression by means of the tax and deficit spending socialist agenda. Also, maybe the "Great Society" of LBJ that effectively made generations of minorities dependents of the federal government.

Spicy Joker| 8.18.09 @ 12:39AM

Nobody cares what David Frump thinks. Frump is a crybaby who bashes conservatives in his Newsweek and L.A. Slimes articles because conservative publications won't run his drivel anymore. Frump is disgruntled because Bush cashiered him for writing lousy speeches.

curtisrasmussen| 8.18.09 @ 12:57AM

Hey Lib Reader,

They pharmacy called. You forgot your meds again.

How about Ron Karenga, the founder of United Slaves, a radical black power group competing against the Black panther in the 60's? United Slaves members members were involved in several murders in the 60's, and Ron Karenga was convicted of a violent felony against his own group members.

This leftist felon scumbag piece of shit held a prestigious position at Cal State Long beach and invented the Marxist holiday Kwanzaa. I have tried to prevent the dissemination of Kwanzaa materials at my kid's school by sending them information about this paranoid felon. Last year, there were no Kwanzaa assignments at Christmas from the formerly clueless staff.

Leftist violent activism at its best. At least 5 murders. A violent assault on women with a hot soldering iron, detergent, a vise, and a Karate baton. What a guy!

Laura| 8.18.09 @ 1:54AM

Curtis, stop that profiling and don't be a racist, I'm sure Mr. Karenga is a fine fellow.

A hot soldering iron and a vise, huh? Nice.

Basil Plumley| 8.18.09 @ 2:04AM

Hey Liberal Reader,

What's with all the vitriol? Caught lying again?
I could give a rat's butt if you wore a uniform. Heck, so do Domino's delivery folks.

You think you are something special.
I hate to break it to you; but you ain't. You're just a poor dumb schlub trying to pull everyone's hair. Like the adolescent juvenile who never wants to grow up, you despise those who spoon feed you facts and logic. You rage against both hoping you can escape; but you can't.

You and your lies are embarrassing. Next time think before you post.

ben| 8.18.09 @ 7:46AM

I don't really care for the political infighting, but I was impressed that Frum made some worthwhile compromises while still maintaining a principled stand on core beliefs in relation to health care. Meaningful health care reform will require concessions on both sides, so it was good to see an intelligent discussion and the possibility of some kind of compromise. At least Frum recognized the obvious reality that there is a huge problem with the current system.

Mattled| 8.18.09 @ 8:11AM

It's kind of hard to take someone seriously (Frum) when that person sounds like "Omigod---talk to the hand" Megan McCain, another worthless claptrap.

Interested Conservative| 8.18.09 @ 8:15AM

Maybe I missed something, but I have a few simple factual questions about all the to and fro above.

First - I don't recall anything particularly political about John Hinckley, either background or motivation. I thought he was largely considered just plain nuts. Did I miss something there?

Second - LR - I'll go check again, but I don't believe Sirhan Sirhan was an "Islamic terrorist". I recall that he was (is?) a Christian Palestinian. I suppose some can try, but I don't recall any discussion of religious, or domestic (i.e. US) political motivation to his acts.

Finally, for sheer vitriol, I've yet to see aything top Robert Ingersoll's Chicago address which summarizes the post-Civil War democratic party. Sadly, much of his account remains relevant.

Definition of a Troll| 8.18.09 @ 8:16AM

This about sums it up:

Most trolls believe that they are, in fact, funny. Anyone who does not agree with them is obviously either: overly sensitive, has no life, no sense of humor, or is a combination of two or all of these. In many instances, one can see where troll has in fact messed up but is too wrapped in his/her own little laugh to notice how much of a douche they have really been. These trolls are the most easy to identify, as they often stop leaving comments when it is obvious even to a monkey with a brain tumor that they have fuc*** it up, or when you see a comment that begins with telling the owner of the site/picture/story/etc that they suck for no good reason.

Michael Dooley| 8.18.09 @ 8:23AM

During the long Bush years, especially when the Iraq war turned from the invasion to “nation-building”, Liberals were crying in their beer that they were sick and tried having their patriotism questioned when they spoke out against the war or merely questioning the anti-terrorism policy. The trouble was I couldn’t get one liberal to tell me who it was that called them un-American. Limbaugh’s name sometimes was mentioned; but even then they couldn’t say when he said it or where. I concluded after listening to this after a few years that you’re not supposed to question the questioner. You can be the brave prophet raging against the machine; but you aren’t open minding enough to consider that there might be some Conservative Jeremiahs out there.

Now the media can’t resist highlighting the guys in the tin-foil hats who question Obama’s citizenship and birthplace. I have yet to meet another Conservative who doesn’t believe this is ridiculous. You are far more apt to find the conviction among Conservatives that, even if…IF…the highly unlikely somehow turned out to be true, removing Obama by a technicality after he has won by a clear electoral majority would be very bad for the country. The damage to the American political process would be incalculable. The only proper way to remove Obama is at the ballot box. Yet supposedly it is Conservative me and my Conservative buds who are feverishly scouring Africa and Indonesia for proof Obama is an immigrant.

Nowadays, unbeknown to me, I am spending my weekends training in the deep forest with my assault weapon wearing camo with my militia brothers. Meanwhile, I have this unreasonable support for the state of Israel; but I also pass out copies of the “Protocols of the Elders of Zion” to one and all.

Something tells me shooting the breeze with Obama over a brew would be fun. Hell, I’d share some beers with Bill Clinton. Liberals generally are OK guys and gals. I just dislike (OK. Despise) their politics and policies. As an American, that is MY privilege.

Your trouble is that you think your politics mean you a good person. When somebody attacks the politics so enamors you, you think they are saying you aren’t a good person. That’s why you get so emotional and feel so threatened when somebody says Liberalism is a philosophical turd.

Jeffrey Lord| 8.18.09 @ 8:28AM

Kathleen...

My point here is that there are in fact serious philosophical differences between the two parties. One - mine - is about individual liberty, free markets, national security - and yes - it has a very strong pro-civil rights history. Yours has wandered a bit. Extremely bad on civil rights, big on collectivism, fabulous on national security with FDR, Truman, JFK...lousy with McGovern, Obama etc. Go back and read the party platforms from the beginning. Very educational. Start in 1844 - the Dems went first. First GOP was 1856.

Le Cracquere| 8.18.09 @ 9:02AM

You score some good points, Mr. Lord, but I still think you're trying to overplay a decent hand that doesn't require it. David Frum has indeed disgraced himself; his feckless complaisance with the likes of Moyers and his transparently class-based animus against the likes of Sarah Palin have pretty much disqualified him as a serious voice on the right.

Still, it's overdoing it to take issue with everything he does and says. Just for one thing, Frum had the shameful likes of "Bill C." precisely pegged with his 2003 NR article about quasi-paleos, not a WORD of which was out of line or out of place. For another thing, one needn't be a liberal to deplore the ascent of an intemperate, snarling swine like Mark Levin. I don't think he'll inspire any assassins, but neither do I think he's doing any favors to the shaping of conservative discourse.

Moreover, calling John Wilkes Booth a man of the left is just asking not to be taken seriously. Sure, he was a Democrat. In the 19th century, I'D have been a Democrat, and so would a large number of conservatives. If the true measure of a party is its founding rationales and pre-20th century platforms, please let me know so that I can immediately unregister as a Republican.

Big Bird| 8.18.09 @ 9:03AM

Hey, talk radio thrives on the free market, unlike a certain taxpayer-subsidized TV network I might mention.

Mattled| 8.18.09 @ 9:05AM

Mr. Lord,

Come out swinging, intellectually speaking. I believe Byron York hit the nail on the head back in April in interviewing a psychiatrist why the left was STILL angry is because they knew deep down inside this "victory" would be short-lived.

Lo and behold, it is to be. Not in recent history has a president dropped so quickly and become so unpopular with Americans. He is now presently unpopular with over half the country.

The name calling and f-bomb in the comments just illustrates the shallow minded "Yes We Can" thinking we've come to expect from the left.

This is the best and brightest? Obama is hapless and helpless without audio visual equipment and he is the smartest president ever? I don't think he's dumb, I just don't think he's that smart----Bill Clinton makes him look like a street thug. Heck, even Carter does.

More government, more czars, more freedoms taken away is not new or even novel. It has been around for centuries---the laughable moniker "Progressives" is more like "Regressives".

So let them call people F-this and F-that----apparently that is all they have left. That and a cup of Moccha Frappucino Vanilla Powder Extract With a Dash of Splenda. Chilled.

They don't even want Whole Foods anymore. Thanks, we'll take it!

Aaron| 8.18.09 @ 9:13AM

Mr. Lord,

Please tell me that your story here will convince your colleagues at AmSpec to end their their love affair with Frum. They can't deny there is one, they have even linked to pictures of them at the Georgetown cocktail parties. They know who they are, no need to name names. All of them should immediately take a pilgrimage to the Regan Library (Flowers for Nancy & Carrots for the horses would be appropriate). Good God, this man is a complete putz.

Steve| 8.18.09 @ 10:02AM

Wow!! What a thread. Sorry I'm late to the party. Quickly, Frum is simply a whore and Moyers.....intellectual terrorist? Drunken goofball? brain-dead elitist? Where do I stop?

Somewhere above a liberal ranted about America turning into El Salvador.....you got it, buddy, and the colonel in the camo uniform is your current caudillo; excuse me, presidente. Thank God the "mob" is armed in this country. That is precisely what will prevent us from turning into El Salvador.

Cheryl| 8.18.09 @ 10:04AM

Thank You Jeffery Lord.........Thank You Rush Limbaugh.......Thank You Mark Levin.....Thank You Monica Crowley........Thank You Sean Hannity......Thank You American Citizens who attend Town Hall Meetings and supporting our Constitution!

2Anglico| 8.18.09 @ 11:26AM

lib reader is mad 'cause his welfare check is late and the other skid row bums waiting to use the library's computers stink worse than him.
He infers he was in the military but you can tell by his rage he would never have passed the ink blot test.
As to what's her name from Maine, a more recent stroll down memory lane finds the names Bull Connor, J. William Fulbright, Lester Maddox, George Wallace, Robert (KKK) Byrd, all donkeys. And lest we forget... Albert Gore, Sr., known segregationist, who voted AGAINST the '64 Civil Rights Act. So, give it up. We know history is not taught in school today but it is available.

Patti in Dallas| 8.18.09 @ 6:03PM

"There point here is that...people who act violently are responsible for their own acts."

The author follows this with a list of presidential real & would-be assassins who are responsible for their own acts. Except the last one, apparently. In the author's convoluted logic, Hinckley himself is NOT responsible for his own acts; Mr. Lord patently blames Hinckley's attempt to assassinate Reagan not on Hinckley himself but on the actress Jodie Foster.

Respectfully, Mr. Lord, who left whose credibility on the set??!?

Tri Geek| 8.18.09 @ 9:44PM

Whenever a lefty starts off by slamming Rush for causing hate and racism, you can automatically dismiss the person for just repeating talking points. You KNOW they never listened to Rush. A big hint to ALL leftists. Rush prints out everything he says on his show, right on his website. To take him out of context, or say that he said something that he didn't is lazy at best, and totally dishonest. Frum just wants to be liked by his liberal buddies.

Frank Provasek| 8.19.09 @ 2:29AM

You seem to forget Tim McVeigh, 168 Americans killed...a right winger and the 9/11 men who killed 3,000 Americans...were all right-wing fundamentalists. The right wingers don't kill leaders...because they LOVE authoritarian power. They kill the innocent.

Lucille Causey| 8.19.09 @ 2:38AM

Michael Dooley [Liberals were crying in their beer that they were sick and tried having their patriotism questioned when they spoke out against the war or merely questioning the anti-terrorism policy. The trouble was I couldn’t get one liberal to tell me who it was that called them un-American]

YOU ARE EITHER WITH US OR WITH THE TERRORISTS -- George W. Bush

JHarp| 8.19.09 @ 4:36AM

I think President Bush was referring to foreign countries, Lucille. Duh!

Why did so many of your liberal leaders vote for the Iraq War?

Frank, what about Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and Hitler who killed untold millions of innocent people? They were all socialist leftists like you, moron. You leftists just love power and hate freedom for others. You kill without conscience. Get off your high horse, loon.

Jim Lindsey| 8.20.09 @ 12:34PM

After reading the above comments, I have come to the conclusion that I must be a thoroughly confused Liberal.

I thought that David Duke, former head of the KKK, was a Conservative Republican.

I thought that the former Dixiecrats were now the heart of the Republican Party.

I thought that the Texas governor threatening secession was a Republican.

I didn't even know that all those rebel flags on pickups down south belonged to liberals.

Seriously, the GOP may have been the party of Lincoln back in the 1860's, wake up, despite what conservatives think, things do change, today, the Republicans are on the wrong side of the race issue.

Greg Swofford| 8.22.09 @ 6:14AM

Remember: "Give me Liberty or Give me death."
Remember: "Remember the Alamo."
Remember: "Live free or die."
Remember: "The tree of Liberty needs watering."
Freedom was nourished with our Fathers' Blood!

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