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Beware of Overconfidence
Conservatives are feeling their oats right now — but they face a rockier road than Reagan and Gingrich did.
Conservatives are feeling their oats right now. Yet we should beware. Overconfidence is a real danger to the cause. It’s a danger that is threatening to break out throughout the conservative movement.
Yes, Barack Obama’s poll numbers are down. Yes, the Democratic Congress is vastly unpopular, and leaders Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid more unpopular still. Yes, the “generic ballot” test for Congress has Republicans in the lead. Yes, the measures of voter “intensity” greatly favor the right, including the Daily Kos finding that 40 percent of Democrats may not vote in 2010. But national politics is like the weather in New Orleans: If you don’t like it, wait five minutes (and vice versa). While sometimes it is possible for perspicacious observers to see growing tides that won’t ebb anytime soon (my former boss Bob Livingston correctly did so in 1994), the far more common occurrence is either for a rough equilibrium to take hold or for the non-ideological electorate to surge and retreat in different directions, with few surges sustaining themselves for longer than about six or nine months. Untouchable President George H.W. Bush, he of the 89 percent approval rating well into 1991, is the most obvious case in point of how political winds can quickly shift.
And it is far easier for a quick shift to hurt the right than the left, because the establishment media is so unconscionably determined to portray a storyline that is hostile to conservatives. Remember how Bill Clinton’s political obituary was so clearly set in stone as late as early August of 1998? Oops. By the November elections, Republicans were losing congressional seats (with Newt Gingrich himself barely winning re-election, only to announce under pressure within a week that he would resign his seat). And I’m sure we all remember how President-to-be Fred Thompson lapped the Republican field…right up until the very moment he entered the race.
Conservatives face an even greater challenge in 2010 than in other years that looked good for them, because the Republican Party organizationally has become so hostile to conservative sensibilities and because no obvious leader for the party or the conservative movement has shown any ability to get officials to sing off the same page — or to hit any positive “high notes.” Not only is there no Reagan or Gingrich issuing a clarion call that others clearly will follow (yes, Gingrich is still around with some good ideas, but with no clearly committed follower-ship), but there is not as deep an officer corps of clearly committed and experienced current federal office-holders. In 1994, even David Broder, the voice of somewhat-centrist Washington authority, was writing columns about how Republicans actually were well positioned experientially and intellectually to govern if they managed to win majorities. Livingston, Henry Hyde, Bill Archer, and Gerry Solomon clearly were veteran conservatives with experiential bona fides, while Dick Armey, John Kasich and a few others with slightly shorter pedigrees also were well respected by the Broder set while not giving an inch on conservative principles.
Today, that’s just not the case. Paul Ryan, Mike Pence, Jeff Sessions, Jim DeMint and some others are now about where Armey and Kasich were in 1994 (but without the “mainstream” credibility that — people now forget — Armey and Archer and Hyde already enjoyed). But no principled conservative seems to have quite the status that Archer and Hyde had in 1994. In sum, the 1994 conservative crop had a host of high colonels ripe for promotion; in 2010, both in Washington and in governorships, we can at best boast some very promising majors and captains.
Plus, in both 1980 and 1994, the left was sclerotic and/or hopelessly divided. Yes, there is some fractiousness in the left today, too, but nothing like the divide between Kennedy and Carter in 1980 or the utter confusion (the Clinton White House) and enervation (the Demo congressional leadership) of 1994. And the left has its Soros-funded, Kos-networked, Trippi-computerized, Obama-deified political infrastructure now that just did not exist in those other big years when only the unions and “street money” were around to turn out the Left’s vote. And if anybody thinks that Carter or Clinton had anywhere near the grip on the reins of the administrative state that the Obamites already have, those supposed thinkers are so sadly mistaken as to be numbskulls. The Alinskyized administration now in power is playing for ideological keeps in a way today’s generation of conservatives has never, ever faced.
Finally, even with all those advantages in 1980 that in retrospect seem so powerful, the fact is that, as Craig Shirley reminds us in his masterful new book, Rendezvous With Destiny, the Reagan election itself was very much in doubt until the Gipper’s masterful debate performance just one week before Election Day. In short, the road back then was far from easy, and the road ahead will be at least as difficult.
Hard work is needed. And so is care. There is a fine line between strong advocacy of principles and overly aggressive, insensitive rhetoric that turns people off. The Gingrich Revolution in the mid-'90s had a knack for letting the former devolve into the latter, and paid heavily for it. The Left can get away with all sorts of outrageous, even nasty, statements; but conservatives can be verbally all but crucified even for saying things that are only slightly beyond the pale. If conservatives want to win politically, we must play smart — which means being memorable and even a bit provocative without providing ammunition for the mainstream media to use against us. This is no time for spouting off to blow off steam; this is a time for strong, smart talk that makes our principles and positions sound as attractive as they by rights should be.
This next year also is a time for congressional Republicans to provide an example of dignified, steadfast adherence to principle. This means doing the right thing because it’s the right thing. If the right thing on a particular issue means supporting a position taken by Barack Obama, then do it. But if the right thing means opposing Obama even if Obama’s position temporarily appears to be popular, then opposition is required anyway — along with redoubled efforts to explain to the public why Obama’s position should not be popular. In other words, by conspicuously avoiding rank political calculation, the GOP will get credit for straight shooting from a public looking for something noticeably different from politics as usual. Sometimes the politically smartest thing to do is to act apolitically.
Apolitically, that is, but also magnanimously. Honest differences can be emphasized without questioning motives or character. Every potential ally will remain a potential ally as long as neither you nor the ally closes the door on future cooperation by unnecessarily harsh language. An Olympia Snowe who votes for health care bills in committee may turn around and vote against the bills on the floor, as long as the door is held open. A Joseph Cao or a Ben Nelson who votes “wrong” at one point may vote “right” when the final call is made.
Now…. Having said all of that, it now behooves us to recognize that just as overconfidence can be deadly, so too can a failure to take advantage of the tremendous opportunities available to us. At a book party the other night, one of the great decades-long leaders of the conservative movement told me that the political situation for conservatives is so propitious that any conservative organization that fails to double its numbers this year isn’t doing its job well. The energy level out there is palpable, and incredibly impressive. The TEA parties, the town meeting activists, the phone callers and e-mailers and letter writers, are a remarkable sign that there are unprecedented numbers of ground troops available for conservatives to tap as long as conservatives are savvy. A large swath of the public recognizes that what Obama and Pelosi and company are doing is an assault on the very foundations of the American system of limited government and free enterprise. And Americans do care about, do love, their country. If the obstacles facing conservatives are great, so are the numbers of Americans willing to tear those obstacles down.
The job won’t be easy, but it is eminently doable. As Ronald Reagan said at the end of his First Inaugural Address, so too can we say today that the “crisis we are facing today” requires “our best effort, and our willingness to believe in ourselves and to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds; to believe that together with God’s help we can and will resolve the problems which now confront us.
“And after all, why shouldn’t we believe that? We are Americans.”
Quin Hillyer is a senior editorial writer for The Washington Times and a senior editor of The American Spectator.
About the Author
Quin Hillyer is a senior editor of The American Spectator and a senior fellow at the Center for Individual Freedom. Follow him on Twitter @QuinHillyer.
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Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 7:19AM
One of the things that makes America great, is the fact that hard working Americans are able to ignore politics. Try doing that in Venezuela, or the U.S.S.R., or red China!
That doesn't mean it is always wise to do so.
The is why, for the conservative movement to succeed, it must undertake the constant task of educating America.
With the constant barrage of misinformation by the present administration, and the media outlets it runs, we must explain to hard working Americans, why capitalism produces prosperity, and why "President" Anti-Christ, and his evil democrat cohorts want to destroy it.
Once they realize what a huge power grab they are attempting, and what it means for their grandchildren's future, I'm confident the citizen's of our great country will "throw da bums out!"
As the great William F. Buckley did, We must continue standing athwart history, and yell, STOP!
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:40PM
B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L!!
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 11:44PM
ktnhtk
ShawninPHX| 12.3.09 @ 11:54PM
LOL. Please! Keep doing that!! Keep up EXACTLY what you are doing. Because it in NO WAY sounds like any political party in the former USSR or China. It in NO WAY sounds like political posturing. LOL.
I'm sorry, but you really have absolutely no clue as to how this article, or your comment, sounds right now. LOL. It's amazing that it falls on others to tell you that this is the same propaganda we're supposed to be fighting. Wow. Just Google some Pravda articles or Chinese news stories. This would fall in to the right category.
And this is why we're screwed. Now it makes much more sense. Instead of following this blithering idiot (or the main street media) try researching this stuff yourself.
This post is about as truthful as the 'over-population' crowd in the '70's. Nice of you to appear, but you're seriously mis-guided.
Wow.
ShawninPHX| 12.3.09 @ 11:54PM
LOL. Please! Keep doing that!! Keep up EXACTLY what you are doing. Because it in NO WAY sounds like any political party in the former USSR or China. It in NO WAY sounds like political posturing. LOL.
I'm sorry, but you really have absolutely no clue as to how this article, or your comment, sounds right now. LOL. It's amazing that it falls on others to tell you that this is the same propaganda we're supposed to be fighting. Wow. Just Google some Pravda articles or Chinese news stories. This would fall in to the right category.
And this is why we're screwed. Now it makes much more sense. Instead of following this blithering idiot (or the main street media) try researching this stuff yourself.
This post is about as truthful as the 'over-population' crowd in the '70's. Nice of you to appear, but you're seriously mis-guided.
Wow.
Big J| 12.3.09 @ 7:20AM
Is this the same Quin Hillyer that was admonishing everyone back in August for being too loud at the town hall meetings?
Snort.
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ggoblue| 12.3.09 @ 7:33AM
didnt you spend the summer telling us the teaparty protests would turn voters off? let me expound...back in the day dan quayle used to say something or other, get ripped in the press, and end up making mealy mouthed backtracking statements which just betrayed weakness and emboldened this bully media of ours...he should have said "i will apologise in a presser tomorrow" and then come out and used the assembled hoards to rip the dems another new one....and then do it again...and again...until they tired of picking on dan quayle because they were being used like a white sock.
we need to say whatever we feel and when we get ripped we need to whack our leftie critics with something along these lines...
a] i hold your criticism as a badge of honor because you are a left wing moron who doesnt know wrong from right.
b] if you think that was bad, try this ----- , and rip em some more
the bottom line is we need to destroy the very idea that they have any moral authority to criticize anyone for anything. they don't, and they need to hear they don't.
now please start writing articles about how barbara boxer may have participated in the global warning hoax and how many years in jail she deserves when it all comes out...and also how many years in jail various media syncophants might deserve...they've thrown millions out of work with their lies and they should be sweating it.
lets turn up the heat america, its payback time.
my name is ggoblue and i approve this message.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:43PM
a] i hold your criticism as a badge of honor because you are a left wing moron who doesnt know wrong from right."
b] "if you think that was bad, try this ----- , and rip em some more."
OK~ So maybe I wouldn't use the word moron. But insane, yes! :^)
Kelly| 12.3.09 @ 10:45PM
I agree. We should turn up the heat on the left and quit apologizing for everything.
I approve of your message too, ggoblue.
Uriel| 12.3.09 @ 10:57PM
Amen.
Simply, ... Amen.
Tenn Slim| 12.3.09 @ 8:04AM
Opine
One thing the article writer apparently ignores, is that the ENTIRE MIDDLE of this USA is d... near ready to secede from the union. We have had the OBNA up to our ears. Come 2010, we will be heard. Yes we are CONFIDENT, but realistic to a fault. The Easterners, and the Calif folks will dither to their end of days. Talk about buying into the Kool Aid, check the Vermonters. Those folks still believe, with an unemployment above 15 %. Hard to understand what it will take to wake the Coasties up. Perhaps when ACORN floods the ballots again, electing the same old crowd in 2010....
Folks, the Conservatives are not only confident, but absolutely determined that this USA will NOT be a EU Socialistic state, not in our life time.
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Joseph | 12.3.09 @ 8:26AM
Judging by the comments above, I think your readers missed the point Quin.
Calling the President of the United States the "Anti-Christ" and threatening to secede from the union are probably not the best route to a political rebound for conservatives.
JP| 12.3.09 @ 12:47PM
Joseph,
The way things are going and in another year even George Soros will be calling the President the anti-Christ. I think that some conservatives are just leading on this. However, it I do agree it is far better to paint the President as just another incompetent idealogue, who was elected to a position well beyond his talents.
Alan R| 12.3.09 @ 8:44AM
The author has a good point.
Obama's single and peculiar talent is to sound so reasonable while propounding lunatic left-wing socialism that people don't notice how extreme are his party's policies. So it's easy - especially with a compliant media - for Dems to make a Palin or a tea-partier sound extreme by comparison, even though Palin or the tea-partier actually speak many common-sense principles held by their listeners.
So we must pick the battlefield in order to fight on our strength. Rhetoric – angry or otherwise – is not our strength. Our strength is that the majority of Americans share our common-sense principles. They don't believe ridiculous extreme government debt, spending, and control is going to make their life better. They don't believe government bailout bonanzas for big corporations provide better job prospects for the average guy.
Ineffective tactic: yelling into the ear of an independent voter that Obama is an evil socialist.
Effective tactic: ask gentle questions, e.g. “Do you think healthcare will get less expensive and complicated if the government passes a 2,000 page bill with 150 new government bureaucracies?” or “Do you think more big-government programs to dump your taxpayer cash on big corporations will create more jobs than tax cuts for small business?” Then if they say “no” – and only then – gently ask “Do you believe Obama and the Democrats are telling the truth when they claim their big-government programs are meant to benefit the average person and not the special interests?”
Gently lead someone to conclude for himself who does and who does not represent his political principles and interests, and you’ve made a convert with a higher chance of sticking at the ballot box.
garrett| 12.3.09 @ 5:38PM
You are so right, on this topic. Most political terms are so loaded that the person that you are speaking with automatically gets their hackles up. I try to use comparisons and break it into simple trust issues. thanks for your comment.
Amy Perry| 12.3.09 @ 10:40PM
Thank you for these gentle questions. I've been searching for ways to state my beliefs in terms my friends can relate to.
Donserge| 12.3.09 @ 8:49AM
Until our education system is cleansed from kindergarten to university, conservatives will always be fighting an uphill battle. We lost the system in the 1960's and are doing virtually nothing to reclaim it.
Ryan| 12.3.09 @ 8:54AM
Alan R and Joseph above hit a similar point that I wanted to make.
If we want to win over more voters, we need to drop the far-right conspiracy talk. Drop the birth certificate conspiracies, the anti-Christ talk, the Nazi references, anything that just sounds crazy (even if true).
Just point out how the left policies are bad for America. Use Obama's words against him. Show leadership, not fear (conspiracy talk is the talk of fear).
Denver Todd| 12.3.09 @ 9:05AM
Can anyone tell me why we have the likes of Michael Steele as the head of the RNC? It seems to me that if anyone should be getting everyone on the same page, it would be him. But he isn't.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:45PM
Denver,
I think Mr. Steele may be coming around. Heard him on the radio sounding rather, dare I say, humbled? We'll see. He is a good guy, but does need to eh, er, grow some. :^)
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 9:28AM
Quin,
I agree with you 100%.
Except you are still demanding we bring only knives to a gun-fight, (metaphorically speaking).
Please read that again, sir.
Joseph,
The comments you are reading here reflect honest fears, and honest anger, on the part of honest Americans.
Sir, if you are not afraid, then you are not paying attention.
The list of "guns" the communists, (pardon the shorthand), have already brought to the fight...is very lengthy. The essayists here and at American Thinker, and Heritage, have been enumerating them pretty darned clearly every day here.
Short list:
Holder putting America on trial in NY.
Holder dismissing charges against ACORN
Holder dismissing charges against Black Panthers,
(voter intimidation)
Obama threatening martial law powers
Obama threatening "civilian police force" equal to our military
Obama embracing wild ass Jihadist dictators
Demo congresscritters breaking every law on the books with impunity
Demo congresscritters promising IRS and even jail time for refusing "public insurance"
The co-opting of the media, or silencing it
(feel free to add to the list, folks)
No, Joseph.
We here are exploring our options as to precisely what (metaphorical) "guns" we can bring to the "gun-fight".
1. Really courageous poll watchers?
2. Organized (legal) tax avoidance?
3. National sit-down?
4. A constitutional convention?
5. National refusal to pay any bills due to Government co-opted companies?
6. The still solvent States drawing a line in the sand for the 10th Amendment?
7. The incorruptible Texas Rangers?
8. (feel free to add to this list also, folks.)
Quin
I honestly believe your comparisons to the 1980 elections are very flawed. Carter was stupid, or pollyanna, but even so a loyal American.
I'm with Thomas Sowel. These communists, (pardon the shorthand), are trying to dismantle America, with every "gun" they can get their hands on.
Use your telescope there on mount Olympus and check out the reality down here at sea level.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:39PM
F-A-B-U-L-O-U-S!
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:21PM
Ken offered me citizenship in the Republic of Texas some time back. I hope the option is still open.
The list of actions above is a good one. I would add the Manhattan Declaration to it for those who follow its tenants. Refusal to participate by purchasing Govt approved Health Ins. from Govt. approved seller (read AARP) could do it as well. They simply can't fine or jail everyone. Get or keep yourself judgement proof.
J. Kelley| 12.3.09 @ 9:43AM
We have an advantage with the "new Media". In the 1980's the Mainstream Media had a lock on what to report or not to report. The Democrate Left had the Media as an arm of their party. With the Media of the 1980"s we would not know about ACORN or the Global warming hoax. We have to work hard and use the New Media as much as possible.
Bob| 12.3.09 @ 9:54AM
The stakes have never been higher. Although much of the debate in re to health care revolves around the issue of money, the essential risk is the loss of the character and nature of the United States. Enactment of legislation such as is being considered would irretrievably change the relationship between the government and the citizenry. What would result is a culture of dependency and a ready-made constituency ripe for further debilitating entitlements. And this is just the opening gun. Tax legislation also designed to grow the Democratic constituency, Cap & Trade legislation, additional Federal controls on media. It's all coming unless the American public is made aware. And forget about the mainstream media outlets. They are useful for sports scores and the latest on Tiger Woods but otherwise they have been proven worthless. For anyone concerned about keeping the American experiment going, this is the fight of our lives.
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Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 10:06AM
Joseph:
Let me guess: you are a "moderate."
I just want to note that I, Northern Rebel, have not called for sucession.
But I did call The "President" the Anti- Christ, because he carries all the traits of one.
I use it in parody form, but you sir, are a useful idiot, and there is no satire that can avoid that reality.
Ryan| 12.3.09 @ 10:26AM
Refusal to use extreme language - even in satire and parody (which is difficult to communicate across the 'net) - does NOT make one a moderate.
One can be a staunch conservative and actually be nice about it.
Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 10:10AM
Thanks for steppin' in while I was away, Tex!
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Anthony| 12.3.09 @ 10:32AM
Quin; I mostly agree with your analysis; however, as in your recent articles of late, you make leaps in assumptions that I do not believe the facts warrant.
Just where is all this over confidence you see? Last I looked, despite a corrupt Democrat administration and congress, the leftist legislative juggernaut was moving along full bore. Despite Gov. Palin's phenomenonal book success, and the greatest scientific hoax in the history of mankind staring us in the face, the left and its allies in the MSM have still managed to control the message and maintain damage control.
Finally, you (and TAS) clearly are still smittened with Newt and his glib elitism, that seems to capture the hearts of you beltway denizens. The so called "Gingrich Revolution" did not "devolve" due to "insensitive rhetoric"; it died because after its initial success, jaded Republicans sat back and tried to ride its success without follow up. Power and dreams of 20 years in control corrupted and small items such as Term Limits, were quietly dropped. In short, hubris is bi-partisan. Washington needs a complete overhaul.
Grzmlyk| 12.3.09 @ 10:42AM
I get very annoyed when conservatives/Republicans tell us to dissent, but not so much that we, you know, piss off those we dissent against.
The very existence of conservatism is ammunition enough for the mainstream media to attack. How in the hell are we going to win any arguments if we play by rules THEY establish?
For the life of me, I do not understand that line of thinking. It's suicidal.
The key is not to take back America by wearing white gloves. They key is to take back the media first, then establish a beachhead in popular culture.
We cannot do it if we act like politics is separate from the fabric of American life - it is not politics that have ultimately made simpering liberal idiots of average people. It is our culture. THAT's going to be the ground on which the big battle is ultimately fought.
So we might as well get started.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:38PM
Thank you, Grz,
Fabulous as usual! No more white gloves!!
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 2:58PM
GRZ poses the right question. Why do we care what the enemy thinks of us. Why do we listen to the Left critique our people? In heaven's name why do we adjust to their thinking?
Betts | 12.3.09 @ 10:47AM
I'm wondering where Newt's head is these days. I used to defend him, and knowing the scrutiny he went under in the msm in the 90's and watching that airhead elitist Pelosi get a free pass is annoying. However, his endorsement of Dede Scuzza-whats-her-face was just plain weird. And secondly, more to the point of the article, conservatives DO have a gold mine of material that I cannot understand why they're not running with. "UPS and Fed Ex are doing just fine. It's the Post Office that's always having problems?" And thirdly, I cannot understand why we enter arguements about race and the climate on the defensive. Name ONE republican who is FOR racism, waste and inefficiency.
Grzmlyk| 12.3.09 @ 11:07AM
Well said, Betts.
Gingrich lost me the day I saw him appear with Nancy Pelosi on that execrable global warming commercial. And he exploited the ridiculous bird-flu panic to host a special on Fox that was utterly laughable.
Every word that comes out of his mouth is direct from a focus-group informed PR consultant. You can see it. The other day he started to say, "I watched Obama's speech," but stopped himself and said, "Calista and I watched Obama's speech . . "
Why? Because he knows he has liabilities when it comes to the female vote after his disgraceful behavior with his dying first wife and his PR agent told him to always mention "Calista" and bring up his grandkids at every opportunity - you know, the new, improved, "folksy" Gingrich who sits around a cracker barrel shooting the shit with other "just folks." Hardy har har.
He is all about burnishing his synthetic brand, with his stupid American Solutions organization, which markets ever pedestrian, recycled policy initiative as if it were wisdom handed down from Mt. Sinai.
And it sets my teeth to a-gnashing when people write "history" books about what "might have happened" if the South won the war, or America hadn't entered World War 1 or whatever.
He's an opportunist and an intellectual fop who has long since lost any credibility with me. Yeah, he's smart. And a lot of his "solutions" are just common sense.
And he'd probably make a good cabinet member in a Republican adminstration, given a short enough leash.
But a leader of a conservative movement? That ship has sailed.
Road Kill| 12.3.09 @ 5:05PM
when people write "history" books about what "might have happened" if the South won the war, or America hadn't entered World War 1 or whatever.
What if we continue on this socialist track and do nothing? One day someone will write a book about "what if Obama's agenda didn't happen. " Stonewall Jackson wanted to take DC after the First Bull Run. "What if Joe Johnston had listened?" Over confident or not, when your opponent is down for the count, don't stop punching or kicking. That's what the Liberal crowd does.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:36PM
Betts,
I fully agree with you when you say "Name me one Republican who is FOR racism, waste, and inefficiency."
Also~Name me one Republican who is a Socialist, a Marxist, or a Communist! Rush said that the other day.
While we have weak Republicans (and that's why we lose), we (if you want to win) still have to vote that way, for these VERY reasons!
Considering the alternative has NEVER meant SO much!
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 1:00PM
Ok~~ To clarify: We need to put these weak Repubs. on notice. On the local level. We started doing it in NJ & VA.
We have to support the best candidates, push the Lib Repubs. OUT of the Party. Not go third party. Build it up, not leave it.
Look up Rush's show transcript from yesterday.
BTW~~ Faxes get to them better than e mails. They just delete them.
B. Hussein Blitzer | 12.3.09 @ 10:51AM
I loved it when CNN, when Palin endorsed Doug Hoffman, the byline read: MODERATES NOT WELCOME IN G.O.P. No wonder they're in the ratings basement.
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Thomas| 12.3.09 @ 11:11AM
Another lesson in gamesmanship. People simply do not get it.
First of all, there is no Conservative movement. A movement implies leadership and organization. There is neither behind the conservative uprising now happening. It can't be grasped and it can't be used. It is the culmination of the trend in national politics that ignores people who have a deep seated, common set of beliefs, the conservative voter. Conservative voters are fed up. They are fed up with changelings, quislings, deal-makers and moderates. They are fed up with politicians, period.
If the Republican Party wants to win elections, run principled, philosophically conservative candidates, that won't sellout. Not the Snowes, the Spectors, the McCains nor the Scazzafavos, but principled conservatives. The conservative voter will vote for a principled conservative candidate, as will the moderates.
So continue the game playing. Continue to analyze. But, if you want to win, run a conservative; a real conservative.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 1:11PM
Hello Thomas,
May I say I fully agree with you! And to that I would suggest this: WE need to get to work! Get involved at your local level. Contact your local Republican offices, and cause your voice to be heard and help back conservatives that want to run. That's how we are going to win. Look at NJ & VA. And almost NY! We ARE beginning to win. Let's keep it going. :^)
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 11:21AM
Yeah. I'm sorry, but I'm sick and tired of being the one being beat up on by the Left. (In case you haven't noticed.)
Case in point: Just take a look around in here at how the usual Lefties are slithering (oh, how nasty!) under their rocks lately. It's when we DON'T go crawling away that we win.
The Republicans in D.C. and the establishment guys who are weak are the reason we've been losing. The lily-livered limp wrists who are too afraid to stand up and say NO to Leftist policies.
The Left are the ones usually doing the "yelling". They're the ones with the guts. Their guts are the wrong guts though. We have the right guts. When we "yell" it's considered mean. Well too darn bad! When you get tired of being stepped on enough and want to win then you'll start standing up. BTW~ Our "yelling" = telling the truth.
That's how you win.
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tj| 12.3.09 @ 12:06PM
http://theprecinctproject.wordpress.com/ read all the way to the bottom. VOTE EM OUT 2010/2012
We have to organize now for 2010... Lets Roll
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 12:16PM
Folks,
I just got back from NRO (National Review Online)
As many of you know, they are very "erudite" and "above it all" over there.
TODAY IS DIFFERENT!
Several essays there are must reads...and must-saves in your documents files.
Start here:
http://article.nationalreview......amp;w=MA==
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:25PM
Ken, Margie:
NRO had a great symposium on the speech Wednesday as well. Always worth the read.
Let's not forget that it took the Conservative Movement 16 years to recover from 1964 (glorius as that was) and another 14 to follow before Congress passed into GOP (not Conservative- our mistake) hands.
We must be patient and be certain that Conservative principles and candidates lead the way. It is simply no longer enough to trade the Left for the accomodationist wing of the GOP.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 2:07PM
Al Adab,
My point, as always, has been, that we back conservatives to run in the Republican Party. Vote the "accommodationist wing" of the GOP out.
The fight has begun. There seems to be a disconnect. As Rush said the other day, there is no point to go screaming into an empty room, and suggest a third party. It just isn't reality. We need to take back our party. Consider the alternative. Obama II. I don't think that's what you're saying to do, but as Rush also said, there's a huge wave of this 3rd party thing, and it will only serve to split the vote and I just don't want Obama II!
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 2:56PM
Margie,
I stand firmly in the take back the GOP side. There really is no other option. My point is that it may take a bit of time. Incrementalism worked for the enemy and it will work for us. District by district, state by state, we will prevail. There may be a few places beyond hope, but fortunately our Federalism gives us the opportunity.
Vetting of candidates, as the new RNC questionaire seems to do, is a good start. Those who we choose to represent us need to be solid in their principles, not wafflers interested in getting a job, but those willing to do a job. We gain nothing from Olympia Snowe and her ilk. That list is way too long.
Keep posting Margie for the battle is underway.
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 3:11PM
Right! Now, just take a look at N.J. This is a state that was considered hopeless. We elected a Republican Gov.
Haha~~Rush said a little while ago that Algore just canceled a scheduled speaking on Global Warming (I capitalize it because it's a Religion now..:^) )
Another tell take sign that We the People are fed up!
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 12:31PM
You know... I'd also like to know, Quin, and not just Quin, but other authors who tell us how we ought to behave,
Why is there never any mention of Sarh Palin? It seems to me if you REALLY were CONCERNED about the Republicans winning, you'd be PREACHING her name. Shouting it from the mountain tops.
And how NICE is Sarah Palin in her speaking? She is the epitome of kindness in her speaking and her attitude! She is the example to which I am able to personally look to emulate in that category. It would seem to me if you or they wanted us to win through "taking that higher road" you'd be mentioning her name at least once in a blue moon, hmm?
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:48PM
Sarah for RNC Chairman? Now there's an idea.
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Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 12:49PM
Margie,
It seems the so-oh-erudite essayists here don't want to be tarred with her brush. OK! I have accepted that...(right).
If Sarah can help us elect a bunch of honest Americans to congress in 2010, they will finally figure it out....and woman up! heh.
You go, girl!
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Doug| 12.3.09 @ 1:04PM
This person just doesn't get it. It's time we conservatives quit rolling over and having to watch our tongue. We need to use the same tactics that are used against us and push back even harder.
I am not certain even that will work. I believe there will be ballot box stuffing the likes of which would make most communists proud.
Grzmlyk| 12.3.09 @ 2:37PM
I agree, Doug.
The left can use all the Alinsky-ite tactics they want, and we're supposed to fight by Marquis of Queensbury rules? NO, goddammit! Those on the right who advocate this play-nice bullshit are useless.
We must fight fire with fire - as I've said, talk radio and Fox news is a nice beachhead, but we need to get into the mainstream media. That is crucial.
The problem is that conservatives don't believe in government - so they don't tend to pursue careers in government - that's why entrenched bureaucrats and their elected enablers are always on the left. Conservatives tend to live their lives and pursue change that doesn't involve government "solutions" whatsoever.
So it's almost antithetical for a conservative to become an activist - it's almost like proving a negative.
But that's what we have to do. And I believe that the fundamental thing we have to chip away at is the average person's misplaced compassion.
The problem is that many people purchase phony moral validation simply by insisting that Group A give Group B its money - and somehow, without any sacrifice or skin in the game, these people are suddenly heroes to the mainstream culture, whithout havign lifted a goddamn finger.
THAT is the bricks and mortar out of which this towering government structure was built, because most people want to be thought of as CARING, and most people would gladly demonize, say, the oil companies (or "Big pharma" or "Big Auto" or whatever - funny how they never get around to impugning "big media," the culprit in all of this).
So many people today get pats on the back and their asses kissed simply by pointing their fingers.
One solution to this is changing the tax code so that EVERYBODY has to put their money where their mouths are. Another solution is to abolish government unions, by constitutional amendment (actually, it's already illegal, but that hasn't stopped the birth and cancerous growth of the biggest union in America).
And we have to do this by ANY MEANS NECESSARY. I'm not talking about armed revolution (yet); but when you're in a fight for your life, you aren't going to feel moral compunction about kicking your attacker in the groin if he's about to decapitate you with an axe.
Well, if you're Hillyer, or some other flaccid conservative, you might say, "ah, go ahead and cut my head off. I'd rather have that than incur your disapproval. Besides, I wasn't using it anyway."
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 1:13PM
Doug,
Thank you.
Does anyone here truly know how to keep Mickey Mouse from voting in this country?
Maybe...STOP MAIL IN BALLOTS!
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:28PM
Agreed Ken,
We should return to a day at the polls. Frankly the mental aspect of the public taking sovereignty on that day every year or so helps create the aspects of self-governance we want restored.
Jacob Morgan| 12.3.09 @ 1:34PM
What we need is a media that actually investigates and reports instead of pimping for socialists.
The MSM cannot die soon enough.
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:54PM
That's Senor M. Raton to y'all.
Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 1:37PM
Thanks, Al Adab
I will go to the polls, crawling if necessary.
(Black Panthers beware...loaded 30.06 in the gun-rack)
Heh...perfectly legal here in Texas.
(Their little pocket Saturday-night specials go limp along with the Panthers with one 30.06 shot in the air.)
Well, it is a non-issue here in Texas...the Panthers here...KNOW!
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 1:50PM
Since you know what part of the country I'm in you likely know I'm not unarmed either.
For the Govt record though I gave away all my weapons.
Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 1:42PM
Old Tex:
Mandatory identification would help too!
While we are busy avoiding offending socialists, they are busy clearing the field of the opposition.
That's how "President" Anti-Christ got his senate seat. Smear tactics, and back door legislation like "airwave diversity", are their favorite methods, because they know they can't win a debate on the merits of their ideas.
Were any small businesses invited to this Orwellian jobs summit? How about the Chamber of Commerce? No? WHAT A SUPRISE!
The Governor of Michigan is there, because of her skill at driving the unemployment rate over 15% in her state.
Do you ever see Algore debating anyone on his fraudulant agenda?
This is what I meant, when I said we have to educate the people who are too busy, or fed up, and think all politicians are alike.
That is why they want Rush off the air, and why they boycott Fox News. Information is dangerous to a fascist!
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 1:59PM
Great story.
Right-wing comes out swinging against Obama
Dec. 2: The Daily Kos' Markos Moulitsas discusses the right wing media's attempt to negatively spin President Barack Obama's speech on Afghanistan.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32545640
Margie| 12.3.09 @ 2:10PM
Obummer's speech spun all by it's lonely, little old self, bubs. It needed no help from anybody.
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Frank Natoli| 12.3.09 @ 2:03PM
"A large swath of the public recognizes that what Obama and Pelosi and company are doing is an assault on the very foundations of the American system of limited government and free enterprise"
What exactly does "large swath" mean? Specifically, does Mr. Hillyer consider that to be a majority of the electorate? IMHO, we're past the tipping point, and a clear majority of the electorate have no concept of "limited government" and prefer entitlements over "free enterprise".
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 2:06PM
That's how "President" Anti-Christ got his senate seat. Smear tactics, and back door legislation like "airwave diversity", are their favorite methods, because they know they can't win a debate on the merits of their ideas.
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It seems like many of you have a mental disorder.
Why I Parted Ways With The Right
Charles Johnson
OPINION | Mon, Nov 30, 2009 at 6:49:45 pm PST
1. Support for fascists, both in America (see: Pat Buchanan, Robert Stacy McCain, etc.) and in Europe (see: Vlaams Belang, BNP, SIOE, Pat Buchanan, etc.)
2. Support for bigotry, hatred, and white supremacism (see: Pat Buchanan, Ann Coulter, Robert Stacy McCain, Lew Rockwell, etc.)
3. Support for throwing women back into the Dark Ages, and general religious fanaticism (see: Operation Rescue, anti-abortion groups, James Dobson, Pat Robertson, Tony Perkins, the entire religious right, etc.)
4. Support for anti-science bad craziness (see: creationism, climate change denialism, Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, James Inhofe, etc.)
5. Support for homophobic bigotry (see: Sarah Palin, Dobson, the entire religious right, etc.)
6. Support for anti-government lunacy (see: tea parties, militias, Fox News, Glenn Beck, etc.)
7. Support for conspiracy theories and hate speech (see: Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Birthers, creationists, climate deniers, etc.)
8. A right-wing blogosphere that is almost universally dominated by raging hate speech (see: Hot Air, Free Republic, Ace of Spades, etc.)
9. Anti-Islamic bigotry that goes far beyond simply criticizing radical Islam, into support for fascism, violence, and genocide (see: Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, etc.)
10. Hatred for President Obama that goes far beyond simply criticizing his policies, into racism, hate speech, and bizarre conspiracy theories (see: witch doctor pictures, tea parties, Birthers, Michelle Malkin, Fox News, World Net Daily, Newsmax, and every other right wing source)
And much, much more. The American right wing has gone off the rails, into the bushes, and off the cliff.
I won’t be going over the cliff with them.
Liberal Reader| 12.3.09 @ 2:42PM
Whoever wrote this is wrong on some important points, and in general I don't think it's a very effective critique of conservatism.
First, we ALL need to stop calling people "fascists." It's uncivil, unproductive, and just factually WRONG to claim that leaders on the left or right in this country are fascists.
Second, Sarah Palin for one has been pretty well known for actually being fairly tolerant of gays and gay issues. She's not for gay marriage; neither is Obama. But she's also been on the record saying she opposing discrimation based on sexuality.
In general, the tone of these 10 points seems off. There is some hate speech on the right, particularly on the internet; but I don't think it's that common.
Conservative discourse has become rudderless and somewhat debased by radio dj's. But conservatives have lost intellectual leaders like Buckley recently. As new thinkers of genuine merit find their footing, that sort of thing is likely to improve.
Kenneth E MacAlister Jr.| 12.3.09 @ 10:15PM
Stuff it Marcell. The skeletons in the closet of the American left have done FAR more damage to this nation than even a total nutcases like Alex Jones & Pat Buchanan. They don't speak for me. Keep dropping your far-left excrement here though. The hypocrisy tells us just what the left is all about, not to mention it's fun to watch you make a total ass of yourself. Find God please Marcell. He can cure what ails you.
Margie| 12.4.09 @ 12:13AM
Hear Hear!!
The Loony Lefties LOVE grabbing the wackiest (supposedly on our side), and then associating them with us, as if we're in their good ol camp.
I say to them~ tuff luck tootsies. No matter how many times you repeat something, it just doesn't make it true.
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 2:09PM
That's how "President" Anti-Christ got his senate seat. Smear tactics, and back door legislation like "airwave diversity", are their favorite methods, because they know they can't win a debate on the merits of their ideas.
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Washington Times Runs Anti-Obama Birther Ad
On December 1st, 2009 BLACK CELL said:
Washington Times Runs Anti-Obama Birther Ad Featuring Racial Undertones
This latest national edition of the Washington Times features a full-page ad that claims that President Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the United States. The ad was purchased by the anti-Obama website ProtectOurLiberty.org. While the group has placed several birther ads in the Washington Times in recent months, the version that ran this morning contains far more inflammatory imagery — three monkeys, apparently intended to represent the U.S. Congress, courts, and the media:
The hardly intelligible ad copy claims that under a 60-year-old British law, President Obama is a citizen of Britain and “is currently also a British protected person and/or a British citizen to this day.” The Center for American Progress’ Ian Millhiser points out that if this rule were actually applied to the presidency, every foreign nation would have the power to remove the President of the United States simply by granting the president citizenship.
The website promoted by the ad is run by Charles F. Kerchner, Jr., a plaintiff in a birther lawsuit filed against President Obama in New Jersey.
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/.....d-monkeys/
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Liberal Reader| 12.3.09 @ 2:33PM
Mr Hillyer --
Part of the problem is how easy it is to misread polls.
American voters are, by and large, not "ideological." They're pragmatic.
Thus a large percentage of voters will say they favor "limited" or "small" government one day, and say they like Social Security, Medicare, and even some kind of "public option" the next.
Everyone hates Congress; most people LIKE their own representatives.
A large percentage of voters basically "like" Obama; yet many are having doubts about his leadership.
People on the left AND right are furious about government bailouts of bankers, yet enormous bailouts were undertaken by members of both parties.
Most Americans would like to pull out of Afghanistan; most will probably be patient for another year or two.
In the end, you who think Glenn Beck and Rush Limbaugh somehow speak for "real" America are just plain wrong.
While they -- especially Limbaugh -- enjoy HUGE audiences, those audiences are very small when compared to the 135 million people that voted in the last election. They're even small when compared to the total number of conservatives in the country.
Consider this: a recent poll found that only 1 out of 5 evangelical Christians consider themselves "conservative." That's millions and millions of people who may not listen to Rush, who may even vote Democratic sometimes, but who probably have a basically right-of-center worldview on many issues.
Or consider this: 1 out of 4 -- 25% -- of all Democratic representatives in the House are pro-life. Are they liberal or conservative? I happen to be a Democrat for Life: our numbers are growing, and the "life issues" don't pull us to the right of the political spectrum at all.
Feel your oats. But if you think you will have any easy time defeating Obama in '12, you'd better ask Hillary and Bill Clinton first how that's likely to work out.
This is a Ru$h Quote | 12.3.09 @ 2:43PM
That's how "President" Anti-Christ got his senate seat. Smear tactics, and back door legislation like "airwave diversity", are their favorite methods, because they know they can't win a debate on the merits of their ideas.
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Why don't any conservative ever say, Rush if you are so great a debating, why don't we see you out there showing your stuff. All he knows how to do is stand around a bunch of yes men jounalist & spew his hate.
Ru$h straight ignored Ed Schultz's challenge to a debate, nor do he allow informed people who disagree with him to talk on the air.
The one thing I reallly dislike about conservatives is they talk that bull $%^# and don't back it up.
A conservative is like a person who claims that he is a black belt, then he goes & get his azz kicked in his first street fight.
The Repug claims that we are bullies are because we beat up all the other bullies on the block, including their favorite dough dough, Ru$h, who clearly fears competition, & loves to call the Libs of communist when the REAL communist fear competition as well.
I dare the conservatives to try to win the debate on issues, because I know we have better ideas.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 12.3.09 @ 10:24PM
You really have vivid dreams don't you. The left's ONLY tactic in winning a debate is raising their voice to make the opposing view inaudible. There are NO ideas offered. Period. The left doesn't debate. It shouts, stomps it's feet, then goes home. And before I would ever (hah!) believe that garbage about Schultz offering to debate Limbaugh & Limbaugh turning him down I'd have to hear it from the other listener who was listening to Schultz' Airhead America show that day.
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 2:52PM
Conservatives also want us to fear government when they are not in power & love BIG government when they control the federal purse.
You conservatives produced nothing but a recession, & you fumble the ball over to the terrorist in middle east, now you want to spew your hate, & warn America while hoping that things get worse.
P.S. Were is the debater who claims to sound on ideas & issues?
In his hide out cowering like Ru$h & his call screener.
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 3:20PM
This fellow demonstrates just what the problem is. He thinks Republicans are Conservatives. The GOP is not Conservative (yet, God willing)although it was that Movement which brought the party success. Sorry didn't mean to offend by invoking the Deity. (Yeah I did)
Sorry Marcell, (French name eh?) BIG govt. is not a Conservative principle. Neither are taxes, bailouts or nationalization of industry. If you remember, the tax revolt (TEA parties etc.) began in Sept of '08 and were aimed at GOP President and policies. It was Conservative policies, beginning in 1983 which created the 25 year expansion of wealth and prosperity. JFK said, "a rising tide lifts all ships." It was BIG govt policies which reversed that trend following the 2006 change of Congress.
We could go one, but I do not doubt you are uneducable. Just wanted to set the record right. (pun intended)
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 12.3.09 @ 10:26PM
Marcell, you give new meaning to the term barking moonbat. Total kook.
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Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 3:25PM
Excuse me sir, I will take credit for that quote, not Ru$h, whoever that is.
I don't claim you socialists are bullies because you eliminate the opposition, rather than confront it. I contend you are fucking worms, and evil, and wouldn't last ten minutes in a civilized debate.
for instance, Marcell just spent his whole last post, insulting and distorting conservatives, without one solid debate item.
Marcell,
You say we fumbled the ball to the terrorists, when the truth is, the socialist democrat party did everything they could to undermine the war effort.
Quote: "this war is lost" - Harry Reid
Quote: "Breaking into homes in the middle of the night, and terrorizing women and children." - John Kerry
Quote: "air raiding villages" - "president" Anti-Christ
It's clear to me from those quotes who the enemies of America are, and none of these socialist democrat party hacks are conservatives.
These are facts and substance in the face of your distortions, and pathetic meaningless rhetoric.
This is one conservative American that WILL stand toe to toe with you cowardly bastards, and will indeed answer your scurrilous lies!
And I have an Army of others behind me willing to do the same. So wash the treasonous stink off your spineless bodies, and get back to me if you've got the balls, fuckfaces!
Let's Go| 12.3.09 @ 4:36PM
The Democratic Party won the Congressional elections of 2006 by campaigning against Bush. The majority of voters hoped a change in parties would mean a change in policy and a pullout from Iraq. Shortly after taking power as the Congressional majority in January, the Democrats passed a non-binding resolution opposing Bush's "surge" strategy and endorsing a partial withdrawal from Iraq. But they have continued to vote to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, including the "surge". They have provided even more money than Bush asked for. They grumble and threaten and grouse, but they continually cave in to Bush's warmongering.
There's more:
http://home.flash.net/~comvoice/DWV66.html
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 4:51PM
I supported the Democrats support for the surge, because they were seriously successful as exposing Bu$h's poor war strategy & forced him to change the course, or we would have more than likely lost that war in Iraq.
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October 24, 2006
Bush Abandons Phrase ‘Stay the Course’ on Iraq
By JIM RUTENBERG and DAVID S. CLOUD
WASHINGTON, Oct. 23 — The White House said Monday that President Bush was no longer using the phrase “stay the course” when speaking about the Iraq war, in a new effort to emphasize flexibility in the face of some of the bloodiest violence there since the 2003 invasion.
“He stopped using it,” said Tony Snow, the White House press secretary. “It left the wrong impression about what was going on and it allowed critics to say, ‘Well, here’s an administration that’s just embarked upon a policy and not looking at what the situation is,’ when, in fact, it is the opposite.”
Mr. Bush used the slogan in a stump speech on Aug. 31, but has not repeated it for some time. Still, Mr. Snow’s pronouncement was a stark example of the complicated line the White House is walking this election year in trying to tag Democrats as wanting to “cut and run” from Iraq, without itself appearing wedded to unsuccessful tactics there.
Democrats have increasingly pressed a case this fall contending that Republicans are stubbornly proposing to “stay the course” in a failing effort to stanch violence in Iraq. Strategists in both parties consider the Democrats’ approach to have been fairly successful, especially as violence has continued to mount in Baghdad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10.....pagewan...
Just the facts| 12.3.09 @ 5:01PM
U.S. Not Winning War in Iraq, Bush Says for 1st Time
President Plans to Expand Army, Marine Corps To Cope With Strain of Multiple Deployments
By Peter Baker
Ps. "Beware of Overconfidence," while you are running your mouth.
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Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, December 20, 2006
President Bush acknowledged for the first time yesterday that the United States is not winning the war in Iraq and said he plans to expand the overall size of the "stressed" U.S. armed forces to meet the challenges of a long-term global struggle against terrorists.
As he searches for a new strategy for Iraq, Bush has now adopted the formula advanced by his top military adviser to describe the situation. "We're not winning, we're not losing," Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. The assessment was a striking reversal for a president who, days before the November elections, declared, "Absolutely, we're winning."
In another turnaround, Bush said he has ordered Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates to develop a plan to increase the troop strength of the Army and Marine Corps, heeding warnings from the Pentagon and Capitol Hill that multiple deployments in Iraq and Afghanistan are stretching the armed forces toward the breaking point. "We need to reset our military," said Bush, whose administration had opposed increasing force levels as recently as this summer.
But in a wide-ranging session in the Oval Office, the president said he interpreted the Democratic election victories six weeks ago not as a mandate to bring the U.S. involvement in Iraq to an end but as a call to find new ways to make the mission there succeed. He confirmed that he is considering a short-term surge in troops in Iraq, an option that top generals have resisted out of concern that it would not help.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/.....80_pf.html
Grzmlyk| 12.3.09 @ 3:26PM
Al Adab:
For the love of god, do NOT try to reason with "Marcell." He's an empty vessel whose only talent is pulling stuff off of liberal web sites.
His presence here - along with other select "floaters," proves one thing: The AmSpec toilet has backed up again.
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 5:29PM
This is how bigots think.
They can care less about the facts when the source comes from liberal sources, even if it is the truth.
They set up a situation that says, " Who are you going to trust, the lying liberals who are telling you the truth, or the truth telling conservative that is telling you a lie."
The racist would say, " I can't believe you agreed with the N word."
You are suppose to agree with them even if they are wrong.
Kenneth E. MacAlister Jr.| 12.3.09 @ 10:31PM
Marcell, you are aware race baiting IS a form of racism. Just remember one thing. God won't care what color your skin is when He hands down his verdict. Think about that please.
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democratsarefascists| 12.3.09 @ 3:49PM
No need to worry.
The passage of ObamaCare will put an end to any overconfidence.
And the current crop of RINO "Republicans" are doing their best to make that happen.
And when they do that, they can all expect to be primaried.
Al | 12.3.09 @ 3:52PM
GRZ
It does prove that the site makes a difference, otherwise why would the Alinsky Left keep posting? As I said, Marcell is uneducable. Perhaps for others however there is HOPE (ha ha)
Grzmlyk| 12.3.09 @ 4:05PM
I think you're right, Al - AmSpec is perhaps the best in the business in terms of its comments thread.
But the usual suspects - Marcell (who is not only uneducable, but uneducated), Bob, SL Toddard and Liberal Reader, aren't interested at all in this country one way or the other. They're not even that interest in policy (and certainly not real-world consequences) beyond its utility as a reflecting pool. They think they bask in the ostensibly beatific Obama's glow of superior liberal dogma.
No, for these fools, the left is a little workshop where they build ever-more flattering monuments to themselves.
And, as I've noted many times, you really have to draw some grim conclusions about the personality types who insist on spending the bulk of their day essentially taunting people.
That's what makes these people feel worthwhile? that's how they get gratification?
Holy crap.
Liberal Reader| 12.3.09 @ 4:16PM
Grzmlyk
You name the Liberal Reader as a poster who is not "interested in this country" or "policy."
Yet as I scan this thread I see my TWO posts making substantive arguments compared to yours, which scarcely rise above the level of play-ground name-calling.
How do you explain this?
Your overall comments are not very coherent, and since they're based upon your surmises about the inner motives of others, rather than upon what they actually say or do, they're not very interesting.
Remember, Grzmlyk:
A good argument is one with which a reasonable person might wish to DISAGREE. That's what we call reasoned discourse.
So, try this:
Make a series of claims with which you believe a person could reasonably disagree and defend them, explaining your reasoning each step along the way. If you succeed, you will have grown up a little and taken on the duties of a responsible citizen.
Al Adab| 12.3.09 @ 5:29PM
GRZ,
To be honest I have had a good, logical conversation with Lib reader once or twice. I trust he enjoyed it as I did. As to the others... Qum Deus vult perdere prius dementat.
Liberal Reader| 12.3.09 @ 6:43PM
Mighty good of you to say Al Adab. Same here.
Northern Rebel| 12.3.09 @ 4:20PM
Hey guys, where'd they go?
Must be off accumulating facts, and quotes proving how correct they are!
Right?
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 5:04PM
I responded. Now it is your turn... REPUG.
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Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 5:14PM
Back in the days, Ru$h use to make a point that the average persons forgets things real easy.
I then realized that this guy is spinning us, because he knows that we will forget his lies, so I made a concerted effort to not forget the relevant issues from the past.
Now I keep a record of the relevant issues within litany of info that I gather & save them at my two blogs.
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Drew P| 12.3.09 @ 5:42PM
Sheez. Look at Glenn Reynolds again. In linking to this piece, he writes:
"ARE CONSERVATIVES GETTING overconfident? I think so. It’s easy to see why, watching the clown show in Washington, but remember — these are the clowns who kicked your ass a year ago . . . ."
"Your" ass? Good grief, the guy is still pretending he's not a conservative. Sure, he might be a "libertarian-leaning" conservative -- like I am -- but he's still a conservative.
His tone on this kind of stuff is so forced. It's really transparent. What a delicate little dance he takes care to dance.
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 5:43PM
Al | 12.3.09 @ 3:52PM
GRZ
It does prove that the site makes a difference, otherwise why would the Alinsky Left keep posting? As I said, Marcell is uneducable. Perhaps for others however there is HOPE (ha ha)
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I agree, but it has to pay like it weigh.
Might I Add, " It's called Smash Mouth Foot Ball."
... I don't even care about Alinski, & wouldn't know who he is, if it weren't from you Repugs trying to learn from the guy.
I'd rather study Machiavelli, Plato, the Bible, & Sun Tzu, while most of you only buy in right wing thinkers.
Drew P| 12.3.09 @ 5:44PM
Uh, thanks a lot, "rubiorising," for leaving the tag open.
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Ken (Old Texican)| 12.3.09 @ 9:42PM
Marcell, frankly, I have read some of your posts.
Look, the sky is blue just because it is blue, OK?
You are jusdt not worth the effort of "discourse".
Sorry
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JohnnyDx | 12.3.09 @ 11:08PM
It seems to me that the party whose base and support among voters is ebbing away, yet insists on passing bills that are plainly unpopular is the one that is overconfident. I don't know how old you are, but here are two words that capture and define the current president and congress "Jimmy Carter".
Marcell| 12.3.09 @ 11:51PM
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tom swift| 12.4.09 @ 1:36AM
Succession might be a very useful experiment. Divide the country roughly in half. On one side would be the pro-business and pro-defense types, along with the fetishists for individual freedom, and probably the religious types. On the other side would be the sexual libertines, the socialists, the control freaks, and the race-baiters. Wait ten years, and see who's succeeding and who's drowning in the Eurosocialist toilet.
The last time succession was tried, the successionists made the mistake of making it a hostile split. With a little more goodwill all around, it could probably be made to work.
After the experiment, the country could reunite, if the more successful part (whichever it might be) wants to bother.
JimP| 12.4.09 @ 10:08AM
I like your idea, but I don't think the lefties would ever go for it. First because they are control freaks like you pointed out and second because all of us "pro-business and pro-defense types, along with the fetishists for individual freedom, and probably the religious types" pay all the taxes that support them. We may yet have an opportunity to break away though. If the GOP doesn't get it together and go back to the genuine conservative approach the economic chaos created by the Dems might give us an opening to say 'AMF' to DC.
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Quin is our favorite Quisling!
When you Patriots get too loud, we tell Quin to tell you to be nice!
When you start getting too nice, we tell Quin to rile you up!
When when you get riled up, we tell Quin to yell at you again!
Quin will be appointed as First Quisling of the New Caliphate of the Americas!!!
Allahu Akbar!
Free Major Hasan!
This is our goal| 12.4.09 @ 6:18AM
love Marcell
Leaving the Right
http://andrewsullivan.theatlan.....right.html
01 Dec 2009 12:31 pm
My reasons were not dissimilar to Charles Johnson, who, like me, was horrified by 9/11, loathes Jihadism, and wants to defeat it as effectively as possible. And his little manifesto prompts me to write my own (the full version is in "The Conservative Soul"). Here goes:
I cannot support a movement that claims to believe in limited government but backed an unlimited domestic and foreign policy presidency that assumed illegal, extra-constitutional dictatorial powers until forced by the system to return to the rule of law.
I cannot support a movement that exploded spending and borrowing and blames its successor for the debt.
I cannot support a movement that so abandoned government's minimal and vital role to police markets and address natural disasters that it gave us Katrina and the financial meltdown of 2008.
I cannot support a movement that holds torture as a core value.
I cannot support a movement that holds that purely religious doctrine should govern civil political decisions and that uses the sacredness of religious faith for the pursuit of worldly power.
I cannot support a movement that is deeply homophobic, cynically deploys fear of homosexuals to win votes, and gives off such a racist vibe that its share of the minority vote remains pitiful.
I cannot support a movement which has no real respect for the institutions of government and is prepared to use any tactic and any means to fight political warfare rather than conduct a political conversation.
I cannot support a movement that sees permanent war as compatible with liberal democratic norms and limited government.
I cannot support a movement that criminalizes private behavior in the war on drugs.
I cannot support a movement that would back a vice-presidential candidate manifestly unqualified and duplicitous because of identity politics and electoral cynicism.
I cannot support a movement that regards gay people as threats to their own families.
I cannot support a movement that does not accept evolution as a fact.
I cannot support a movement that sees climate change as a hoax and offers domestic oil exploration as the core plank of an energy policy.
I cannot support a movement that refuses ever to raise taxes, while proposing no meaningful reductions in government spending.
I cannot support a movement that refuses to distance itself from a demagogue like Rush Limbaugh or a nutjob like Glenn Beck.
I cannot support a movement that believes that the United States should be the sole global power, should
sustain a permanent war machine to police the entire planet, and sees violence as the core tool for international relations.
Does this make me a "radical leftist" as Michelle Malkin would say? Emphatically not. But it sure disqualifies me from the current American right.
To paraphrase Reagan, I didn't leave the conservative movement. It left me.
And increasingly, I'm not alone
Ryan| 12.4.09 @ 11:15AM
Half the items above aren't part of the conservative movement, but the centrist, self-seeking GOP RINO movement that ignores the rest of America. I'll answer a couple:
"I cannot support a movement that exploded spending and borrowing and blames its successor for the debt. "
--Not a conservative ideology. Conservatives push for limited spending and limited government.
"I cannot support a movement that is deeply homophobic, cynically deploys fear of homosexuals to win votes, and gives off such a racist vibe that its share of the minority vote remains pitiful. "
---That's the left's view of the conservative movement, and is patently false.
"I cannot support a movement which has no real respect for the institutions of government and is prepared to use any tactic and any means to fight political warfare rather than conduct a political conversation."
---And the left isn't worse? It was Bush, not the left, that sought to engage in conversation and create bipartisan bills (NCLB is the big example, as well as the bailouts). We can't get a seat at the table in recent legislation.
"I cannot support a movement that would back a vice-presidential candidate manifestly unqualified and duplicitous because of identity politics and electoral cynicism. "
---Who was more qualified per their resume - Obama or Palin?
"I cannot support a movement that refuses ever to raise taxes, while proposing no meaningful reductions in government spending. "
---Conservatives have been consistently blocked by the left on spending cuts, but we somewhat succeeded in 1994. The left is far worse.
Reagan's quote regarded the Democratic Party, not conservatism.
Motown Mike| 12.4.09 @ 8:48AM
Well, it's probably too late to post anything since the trolls have taken over, but regarding Quin Hillyer's admonition to speak with more retraint, we're done with that. I'm starting to voice my political dissent in a bit louder voice when I'm in restaurants. Not too much to scare the horses, mind you, or disturb the diners, but just enough so that anyone close can hear some of it. I do it so that 1) people will know that not "everyone" buys into the establishment mantras, and 2) likeminded individuals will know they are not alone.
JimP| 12.4.09 @ 9:22AM
Motown Mike: not too late. I missed this column yesterday also.
Quin is like Charlie Brown. Except Quin has that rain cloud following over his head 24/7/365. He seems incapable of enjoying even momentary optimism. The instant he feels optimism he seems compelled to write another column about how we need to: Slowdown; Beware; Watchout; Keep Our Powder Dry; Duck and Cover; Save for a Rainy Day; Mind our Manners; and so on and so on and so on. It's never enough that HE is pessimistic and apprehensive. He MUST try to project it onto everybody else on the right.
Also, again, Quin does not name these overconfident conservatives. If he would just name them, the rest of us could give them a good going over, but we never find out who they are. I assume they must be the Congressional Republicans who screwed the pooch between '01 & '06. We all know they are clueless and pay them no heed. It does get tedious being admonished to act like old maids everytime things start looking good for our side though.
As for Quin's analysis and comparison with past elections he has some good points, but I think his interpretation is a pessimistic one and there are other interpretations that could be just as accurate. Gotta find that lead lining in that gray cloud instead of the silver one. No two election cycles are ever exactly alike. There is much to be optimistic about, but we cannot know in advance exactly how things will play out or who the new Reagan's or Gingriches will be. This time around things are more like the French Revolution than the Reagan or Gingrich revolts. Lots of political heads will roll, metaphorically speaking, before things are done and the new leaders emerge. Quin is, in effect, standing on the beach boldly saying 'Stop!' to the political tsunami approaching. It's not going to be pretty, well organized, or have a clear leader, but it's coming nevertheless. I'm ok with that. Quin doesn't seem to be.
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Quin| 12.4.09 @ 10:13AM
Some of you people obviously can't read. I do not advocate bringing a knife to a gun fight; I adovcate bringing the RIGHT gun. And I am an optimist, not a pessimist. And I do not advocate being soft-spoken, I just advocate pushing our rhetoric UP without going over the top. As IN: "being memorable and even a bit provocative without providing ammunition for the mainstream media to use against us. This is no time for spouting off to blow off steam; this is a time for strong, smart talk that makes our principles and positions sound as attractive as they by rights should be." Memorable. Provocative. Strong, smart. Do you trolls actually have an objection to being smart? Do you have any clue the difference between effectively, provocatively memorable behavior and behavior that actually TURNS PEOPLE OFF?
Then, I close with this: "is eminently doable. As Ronald Reagan said at the end of his First Inaugural Address, so too can we say today that the "crisis we are facing today" requires "our best effort, and our willingness to believe in ourselves and to believe in our capacity to perform great deeds; to believe that together with God's help we can and will resolve the problems which now confront us.
"And after all, why shouldn't we believe that? We are Americans."
How, pray tell, is that pessimistic?
There is a difference between the bold, brave, provocative, revolutionary Americans of 1776-1789, such as Washington, Jefferson, John Adams, Franklin, Sam Adams, etc., and the Jacobins of France in the 1790s. I stand with the former, while merely warning both against the latter and against those who think (as did some patriots in 1776) that revolution will be easy.
Anybody who can possibly read what I have written and see it as anything but the work of a dedicated conservative movement activist who thinks victory is attainable is somebody who has no reading comprehension whatsoever.
Margie| 12.4.09 @ 11:53AM
Quin,
You seem to be addressing the regulars here, yet you are calling us trolls?
Just who are you calling trolls?
I'd like to know.
JimP| 12.4.09 @ 12:13PM
Yes, yes Quin, but it is your incessant harping on us all to not get overconfident and to be nice etc, that creates the pessimistic impression. A genuine optimist would have spent 90% of his column detailing the positive signs and 10% of the column cautioning. Not vice versa. Instead, you go on at length, cautioning us all that, ‘It ain’t 1980 or 1994 and, in addition, we ain’t got no Reagan or Newt, and here’s the evidence to support my position, so don’t get overconfident.’ Your starting point is that we all need to be warned to not get cocky. This in and of itself is pessimistic. You view us through a pessimistic lens that assumes the worst. You are constantly worried about something bad happening as a result of our conduct. That’s pessimism. Plus, you never name the conservatives who are overconfident or taking things for granted, so either they are part of GOP officialdom or you are projecting overconfidence onto the rest of us. This column is one of a trilogy of columns (or perhaps more, of which I am unaware) you have written in this same vein of nagging, admonishing, criticizing and generally acting like a shrew: Especially in your comments to we commenters. We don’t need your scolding or admonishments.
Moby Froll| 12.5.09 @ 12:06AM
Oh, Sadiq Quin! This is fanati-tatic! Keep up the good work! Don't let the vile Infidels grind you down!
When it comes to confusing the Infidel conservatives, you are--shall we say--"da bomb"!!!
Never tell them just WHO is being overconfident!
When they provide meaningful, substantive criticisms, call the "trolls"! It works great for little Georgie Soros!
Never give them any meaningful, substantive advice!
Just piss and moan! It worked great for Nancy and Harry in '06!
Remember the directions you were give in the last "dead drop": "Bitch, Carp, Nag, Whine . . . then repeat!" Do not fail us, Sadiqii!
Make them question themselves every time things are looking good!
Make them question themselves every time things are looking bad!
With your help, we cannot lose, Sadiqii!!! You will be amply rewarded in the coming Caliphate!
If you beg sincerely enough, you may even be allowed to lick the Infidel blood off of the boots of the Sheik of New Potamistan (what you Infidels call "D.C.).
We are counting on you, brother!!!
Allahu Akbar!
Free Major Hasan!
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Brad Schwartze| 12.4.09 @ 11:40AM
Oh, Quin, I wouldn't worry too much about overconfidence. There's too many scared little conservatives so afraid to be called Republican. Like they're going to help push the GOP over the top in the House? Yeah, right.
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Oldefarte| 12.6.09 @ 12:12PM
Quin is, as usual, CORRECT! Perhaps the message is to SPEAK SOFTLY AND CARRY A BIG STICK??????
Oldefarte| 12.6.09 @ 12:19PM
Let's tone down the critism, folks. Do you want to go back to the days of ONLY be able to listen to/read Rather, Croncrite, Curic, Jennings, the NYT, CBS, ABC, NBC, the Chicago Tribune, the Washington Post,etc? Thank God we now have conservative writers such as Quin and publications such as AS that provides TRUTH [instead of biased, brainwashing propaganda]!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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