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Murder and Motives in Clay County
Should an entire Kentucky community take the blame?
MANCHESTER, Kentucky — Rodney Miller has lived nearly all his 56 years in Clay County, the only exception being when, as a young man, he moved to Indianapolis. He lived in the big city for two years without ever knowing his neighbors’ names.
“The best people in the world live here,” says Miller, sitting in the office of the Manchester Enterprise, where he directs advertising sales. “Down here, everybody knows everybody else.”
Bill Sparkman was not from Clay County. A 51-year-old Florida native, Sparkman lived in neighboring Laurel County. Yet when Sparkman’s body was found hanging Sept. 12 in a cemetery a dozen miles east of Manchester, the media seems to have placed blame for the apparent murder on Clay County.
The community has suffered plenty of bad publicity in recent years, with a long-running federal corruption investigation that has resulted in vote-rigging charges against eight local officials. The county also has a reputation for growing marijuana and producing illegal methamphetamine. And on top of these local P.R. problems, the murder also gave national media a chance to recycle stereotypes of rural Kentuckians, much to the annoyance of Clay County residents like Miller.
“Ignorant, backwards hillbillies,” he says, recalling a recent cable-news report about Sparkman’s death in which the reporter evidently sought out his network’s idea of the perfect interview subject for any news story from Kentucky: A toothless, ill-shaven man in overalls.
Yet the Sparkman murder provided liberal bloggers a chance to create an entirely new stereotype of Kentuckians as violent right-wingers. Sparkman was employed part-time by the Census Bureau. When his nude body was found hanged from a tree, his federal identification card was taped to his shoulder and the word “FED” had been scrawled on his chest.
An Associated Press report said the FBI was “investigating whether anti-government sentiment” played a role in Sparkman’s death. Law enforcement officials criticized that story, but the liberal blogosphere seized on it as proving that conservatives had fomented a killing rage among the yokels.
“Send the body to Glenn Beck,” Internet pundit Rick Ungar proclaimed Thursday, also indicting Minnesota Rep. Michelle Bachmann (a Republican who had warned that census data could be abused) among right-wingers presumed complicit in Sparkman’s murder.
Saturday, the Atlantic Monthly’s Andrew Sullivan fretted over “the most worrying possibility,” namely that Sparkman’s death was “Southern populist terrorism whipped up by the GOP and its Fox and talk radio cohorts.”
Rodney Miller dismisses such speculation with blunt language — bovine excrement, so to speak — and explains that “fed” as an epithet has a specific localized meaning in Clay County. ”Half our public officials are in jail and the other half have been indicted,” he says, somewhat exaggerating the result of the federal corruption probe. “So, yeah, there are a lot of a people here who don’t like ‘feds.’”
Federal agents are also often involved in busting eastern Kentucky’s marijuana growers, who are known to plant their crops in the Daniel Boone National Forest, which encompasses much of Clay County. And the success of law enforcement efforts against local drug traffickers — last month a multi-agency undercover investigation called “Operation Borrowed Time” resulted in more than 50 drug arrests in the county — may have heightened the animosity toward government officials snooping around, as Sparkman’s Census job would have required.
The FBI and Kentucky State Police, who are leading the Sparkman investigation, refuse to discuss possible motives for his murder. Asked about the theories being discussed on the Internet, KSP spokesman Don Trosper said, “It’s just speculation and rumors.…We concern ourselves with facts.”
Local folks have their own speculation and rumors about the case, most of it centered on the possibility that Sparkman somehow fell afoul of local drug dealers, who may have mistaken his federal identification for proof that he was an undercover informant. One man who lives in London offered a variation on that theory: Perhaps Sparkman actually did report on suspected drug-related activity, and his murder was an act of revenge by associates of someone arrested as the result of a tip from Sparkman.
The ghastly cruelty of Sparkman’s death would seem to indicate that the person or persons who killed him had extensive acquaintance with violence. Were I to join in the speculation game, my hunch is that whoever killed Sparkman has a lengthy criminal record. There are other rumors and theories about the case, both here in Kentucky and on the Internet, which I won’t bother to repeat now. But several people have called attention to the fact that Sparkman’s death occurred more than 30 miles from his London home, and that there were reportedly no signs that he put up a struggle.
So much for speculation. What is striking to a first-time visitor to this region is the vast distance between the media perception and the reality.
About the Author
Robert Stacy McCain is co-author (with Lynn Vincent) of Donkey Cons: Sex, Crime, and Corruption in the Democratic Party (Nelson Current). He blogs at The Other McCain.
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Bob Belvedere | 9.29.09 @ 8:34AM
Quoted from and linked to at:
THE DEATH OF BILL SPARKMAN I
Alan Brooks| 9.29.09 @ 1:47PM
A local authority said he might have been the victim of an accident. Righty, he just happened to write 'fed' on his chest, and was inspecting a noose on a branch-- and then his head fell into it. Oops a daisy.
DUH!
Candice Collins| 9.29.09 @ 4:28PM
I appreciate the fact this guy talked about the good people of Clay County by mentioning the Pizza Hut Waitress with Tigers on her shirt! I lived in Clay County most of my life and I understand there has been a lot of violence and corruption but to me it isn't any more than what happens everywhere else in this world. I love Clay County. I graduated High School there and our class was full of very intelligent people. I don't know the numbers, but I know there were many graduated with honors. There are a lot of wonderful people in Clay County. I feel really bad for Mr. Sparkman's family and wish it had never happened, of course, but in the same sense I don't feel the media has a clue about what's going on in Clay County and shouldn't be talking about the place like it's from the movie Wrong Turn. This man's death was very unfortunate and I hope they put his killer/killers behind bars and I pray his family will make it through this hard time. I hope one day Clay county will be able to make a good name for itself. I believe we are on the right track. Our Mayor has done a lot for the county.
Alan Brooks| 9.29.09 @ 8:18PM
Todd can pray to the Chomsky god.
Or to the Ward Churchill god.
S.L. Toddard| 9.29.09 @ 8:49AM
What if it turns out that the murderers *were* hard-core Right Wing militants, 9/12ers, "birthers" and so forth. What if it were proven beyond any doubt that these men were inspired by crazy-talk about Marxist takovers, Liberty Tree-watering and Islamofascist Manchurian Candidates? In that case, RSM and everyone else would just say "We can't control how some individual nuts misinterpret our message, or what they do afterward".
My point being that no matter who committed the murder, and no matter for what reason, no one at AmSpec, NRO or any other establishment GOP organ will blame the poison flowing from the right wing media sewer anyway, so why go through the motions here? There is absolutely NO scenario whereby anyone here will blame anyone on (what now passes for) the right, so why bother?
Toddard the Pro Troll| 9.29.09 @ 11:21AM
Toddard you are so transparent.
The poison flows from sites like Kos, the violence from lefty groups like SEIU (beating a black man insensible outside a town hall meeting, biting fingers off the elderly) and ACORN.
The racism, race baiting and class warfare comes from the left. The oppression of minorities comes from the left who use them as useful idiots in their quest for more power and wealth.
The KKK and Black Panthers are both democrat only social clubs, with one Klaven founder still serving in the senate with Robt. Byrd...
The only threat of violence comes from the left. The histronics of Pelosi, who somehow forgot Dan White and his twinkie defense were both products of the left (don't forget White was a Dem as the most powerful botox addict in the world did).
Stick your violence up your liberal rear end where it belongs. This has all the trappings of a disgruntled ACORN worker(s) commiting a hate crime against a part time white worker and attempting to provoke a response from the Obama administration & his Brown Shirt Janet Reno replacement at Homeland Security.
What a tool you are Doddering Toaddard. You are surely making your living as a government parasite, part of the rot whithin that needs to be cut out.
Toddard the Tumor.
RG| 10.1.09 @ 4:42PM
Don't forget rabid liberal Timothy McVeigh...he was the WORST!
Alan Brooks| 9.29.09 @ 1:43PM
Todd,
Why don't you go TNR's blog?
AS isn't Scientific American, they are not objective, some here aren't even conservative, they are Rightists.
Such is called market segmentation, it mirrors our Darwinian world; everything is chopped into pieces. Our consciousness is chopped into pieces.
We erred-- we ought to have been born into a different world.
You'll just have to pray about it-- 'n you better pray good, boy! HEAR ME?
Kurt| 9.29.09 @ 6:11PM
Pray to whom, or what?
Alan Brooks| 9.29.09 @ 8:15PM
Todd can pray to the Chomsky god.
Or to the Ward Churchill god.
Rumor Mill| 9.29.09 @ 7:26PM
I heard that the murder might be done in protest to President Adams, President Jefferson and President Madison initiating undeclared wars. Apparently these early presidents were all unaware of the great constitutional scholar S. L. Toddard and his position on undeclared wars and the Constitution. Anyways the murderer had been following some of the brilliant writings of Toddard went and found the first Fed he could find and did him in as a demonstration against the crimes of the Quasi-War, and the First and Second Barbary Wars. People near the scene heard someone shouting gibberish that was frequently referencing President Bush and neocons.
My point being that no matter who committed the murder, and no matter for what reason, Todddard will not blame the poison flowing from his letter writing sewer anyway, so why go through the motions here? There is absolutely NO scenario whereby Toddard will blame himself, so why bother?
Nick| 9.29.09 @ 11:39PM
Mr./Mrs. Mill,
HA-HA!
Excellent parody of Toddard, sir/ma'am.
Catherine| 9.29.09 @ 7:57PM
Toddard, what if it is proven beyond a doubt that whomever perpetrated this act was influenced by talk radio or anything else? They are the ones who did the deed, they are the quilty etc. what has that to do with what is said on talk radio?
And, what of those who spout the anything on the right is wrong line, never giving any evidence to support that accusation, never the mildest example of where the right is wrong, - and, NEVER giving evidence that the left is anything but corrupt? It seems you ascribe to the old addage; "If you don't like the message you destroy the messenger." Try a little thinking for a change!
Margie| 9.30.09 @ 1:13AM
Do trolls actually think? No. They only have the capability to spout.
Louis Jenkins| 9.29.09 @ 8:53AM
This man's murder was a blight to Clay county. However, the census taker that came to my residence back in the summer, when I was absent, was seen nosing around the back side of my property by my neighbor. He grabbed his side arm and badge (he is deputized) and went to investigate. Credentials were verified, and my neighbor warned him that moving around private property uninvited and unannounced could have extreme results. The census taker's excuse: "I was trying to verify that the building out back was not occupied." Meaning he was looking for extra residents on my property. An uninvited visitor can get in a world of trouble, particularly in a region where illegal crops and meth are manufactored. Our census guy was lucky. The building only contained lawnmowers and the neighbor was duly sworn. It's a real world we live in.
jack| 9.29.09 @ 9:59AM
So you would have just shot him? That's why he's lucky, because you let him walk away with his life? I say YOU'RE lucky you didn't shoot him, because when you go to prison for something like that, you won't have your "side arm" with you to protects you.
Eric Damon| 9.29.09 @ 10:17AM
He never said he would have shot him, he simply pointed out the census taker who was nosing around his neighborhood was luck to be where he was. In a place where a huge drug bust has just taken place, and sentiment among the criminal element is running high against federal agents, it may not have been the best of circumstances for Mr. Sparkman to have been out in the field, alone, with credentials marking him as a federal agent of any sort. You must be a liberal to think that what was said here was that LouisJenkins was going to shoot someone!
Louis Jenkins| 9.29.09 @ 12:03PM
Thanks Eric.
Louis Jenkins| 9.29.09 @ 9:07AM
Its easy to say a Federal representative was murdered by Right wing terrorists. I suppose that the moonshiners of the depression era were ultra Right wing nazis too. The Revenuers were Left wing liberals so of course they were fair game. In those depression days neighbors got into shooting wars over the moonshine market. So which of those was leftists or rightists? I dare say that murder victim stumbled upon something he shouldn't have, and another crimminal act followed. I doubt that those Kentucky hills are seething with Right Wing nut jobs itching to sally forth from their mountainous strong holds and lay waste to the land of God Forsaking Liberals.
Eric Damon| 9.29.09 @ 9:20AM
S.L. Toddard:
What if all of the things you say were true? What if the murderers were birthers, right wing extremists, etc, etc? You know what that would mean? It would mean they murdered this man and politics will likely have nothing to do with it!
Does anyone know what Mr. Sparkman's politics were? Could the people of Clay County know, since he didn't even live there? I seriously doubt it. So how can you justify your accusations that RSM, AmSpec, or Fox had anything to do with this case?
Your type of speculation and the accusations you are making are the very vile types of actions you pretend to be dismayed about coming from the right. You have decided that "birther"=murderer and that opposition to Obama=hatred.
No matter who it turns out killed this man, or whatever motives police and prosecutors uncover during their investigation, no one on the right will owe any apologies or explanations to anyone. RSM didn't hang his body from a tree; TAS didn't exhort anyone to murder; Glenn Beck didn't ambush or lure him into the area, and NRO didn't leave his body in a cemetary.
What never ceases to amaze me about you liberals is how everything, no matter how mundane or unrelated to politics, becomes a new political football you use to advance your hateful ideas. This unfortunate man is murdered by parties unknown, and you bring up "birthers" and "liberty tree watering" speakers....as if that has something to do with a murder in Clay County, Kentucky! One has nothing to do with the other, but in the feeble minds of the left every murder, every rape, every crime has something to do with what a radio show host said. Unbelievable!
Finally, if you see right-wing radio and websites as a "sewer", then why do you frequent TAS? Would you not be happier with your fellow travelers at DU, Kos, or HuffPo? Since you are only schooled in the arts of spouting liberal talking points, name-calling, and race-baiting and rarely engage in any open and honest debate here, why not go home to the left? Then you and all your like-minded comrades can sit in your echo chamber and reinforce each other's vision of America as a savage land that can only be redeemed by the God-Man Obama? Wouldn't you be happier? I can assure you most of us here at TAS would be.
Deborah D | 9.30.09 @ 5:38AM
Excellent post, Eric.
Tenn Slim| 9.29.09 @ 9:29AM
All
Tenn, Ky, Ms, Ala, Ga, N and S Carolina, all have remote areas where politics is based on how honest you are to your neighbor. Right, Left, have literally no meaning. The Second Amendment is honored, protected and useful to the style of living afforded by Nature in these areas.
bt
To imply that a Murder, plain and simple, is the product of MSM Rightest, or Leftist is idiocy.
This individual was in the wrong place, at the wrong time, and suffered for it. The Folks that did this will eventually turn out to be just what they are and did, Murderers, plain and simple.
end
Semper Fi
Jon| 9.29.09 @ 9:57AM
Where have all you geniuses been for the last 6 months, while Michelle Bachmann and Glenn Beck have been whopping these right wing people to a froth with their lies?
Let's wait until the murderer is found, and you may have to eat your words- oh, if it's a militia member, you'll say, "well, he's not our militia member".
Steve| 9.29.09 @ 10:34AM
You're an idiot, no doubt an urban idiot with no understanding. Refer to Tenn Slim above. I live -- by choice -- in a backwoods region. I'm armed, my neighbors are armed, meth labs abound, the law seldom intrudes. Violence of this nature has nothing to do with politics. It's personal. And my money is on the hapless census taker stumbling across a marijuana grove or meth lab. Wrong place, wrong time.
It would be like ascribing political motives to a drive-by shooting in Compton to assume Glenn Beck or Ms. Bachmann fueled this tragedy.
Jeff| 9.29.09 @ 11:15AM
Jon,
What lies are you referring to? Is it the "lie" that Van Jones is a communist and a Truther. Or is it that obama wants a single payer health care system. Or maybe that he said there is no prettier sound than the muslim call to prayer at sunset, or words to that affect. What I have listed has been proven to be factual. I know, I know, facts don't matter. The only thing that matters is forcing all to bow at the alter of the American-hating muslim occupant of the White House.
Bydand76| 9.29.09 @ 6:50PM
Jon.
I have been in Afghanistan being forgotten by our CIC. Where have you been? Eh smart guy?
What did you say when the SEIU member beat up an opposition member at a town hall rally?
"Well, they werent our SEIU members"
Hypocrite! How many times have you seen the new Michael Moore movie by the way? He is the paradigm of truth telling isnt he?
What words are you going to eat now you little POS Douchbag?
Michelle Bachman and Sarah Palin for president!
PRO LIBERTATE!!
Ray| 9.29.09 @ 10:09AM
This reminds me of the Shepard case, which every Liberal blamed on right wing religious hatred of gay men, but when the facts came out, it was just another drug deal gone bad. The men who killed him didn't even know he was gay! But, of course, that doesn't stop the hate mongers of the left from claiming that it was hate crime perpetrated by the denizens of the evil evil right wing whose political spokesman's evil speeches ferment hatred and incite violence, just like they're doing now with this case.
Ray| 9.29.09 @ 10:14AM
Jon, what "right wing people " are you referring to? I wasn't aware that any suspects had been arrested. Do you have some new information about the identity of the perps that you can share with us, or are you ASSUMING that the people responsible for this are a member of a particular party an it's their party allegiances that is the motive behind this? I believe it's the latter and not the former.
Indiana Alex| 9.29.09 @ 10:20AM
Living in somewhat of a less than cosmopolitan state and indulging in a lot of right wing media it is difficult for me sometimes, especially with all my guns, to keep from randomly killing "Feds".
Somehow, we've gotten by so far, but if you listen closely to Beck, really closely, with the volume up real loud, he seems to be telling us to pull the trigger...
Alice Moore| 9.29.09 @ 7:11PM
No, you have to record Beck, then play it backward.
Pingback| 9.29.09 @ 10:33AM
The Greenroom » Forum Archive » Reply to S.L. Toddard: The Murder of Bill Sparkman an links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Anthony| 9.29.09 @ 10:59AM
Leftist fools like Toddard already have the suspects and the scenario neatly packaged in their minds, with of course, conservative media as un-indicted co-conspirators.
But like most leftists, Toddard's perspective is reflexive. No thought is given to permutations that might include ACORN and other hard core leftist agitators and what their "poison" has caused people to resent, especially when the census is involved. Even folks in Kentucky know what Obama & ACORN are up to with the census, Toddard. That's because, unlike you and Charlie Gibson, they don't read the NY Times. And gee, Toddard, might folks be a bit touchy about having elected leaders from San Francisco calling them Nazis?
Does this justify murder and violence, of course not, but that's not the point. The point is, will Toddard acknowledge that recent actions of the hard left have possibly contributed to our increasingly uncivil society? My guess is no, because for Toddard and friends, there is only one perspective and one truth.
Mike Giles| 9.29.09 @ 2:28PM
And if it was a "private" murder, and the murderer wanted to send the police off on a wild goose chase? Make it look like some kind of a political killing and he/she could count on the assistance of the media in that endeavor.
Bydand76| 9.29.09 @ 6:26PM
Anthony,
I would also submit the people like Toddard and his ilk are incapable of acknowledging anything unless it caters to their elitist ideology.
Alice Moore| 9.29.09 @ 7:15PM
There are some on the Left who are so evil, they may have sent out ACORN thugs to murder this fellow. This could be their Reichstag Fire event.
Bo Darville| 9.29.09 @ 11:01AM
Yep, country folk sure are stupid. All it takes is some voice coming over that demon box to incite them to murder. This is much unlike my cosmopolitan bretheren in the City drooling over themselves while asking for change before being driven in a bus to vote Democrat.
james wilson| 9.29.09 @ 11:32AM
At heart it is clear that the left has a fear that, should the wheels come off as a result of their political daydreams, people will rise in a mob and end them. Which is probably true.
Amor de Cosmos| 9.29.09 @ 12:32PM
It has been illuminating here to see the liberal narrative at work. What is that narrative?
It is that Southern whites are racists (if not overt, closeted) and barely able to control their violent impulses. It is that Southern whites are deeply uninformed, easily manipulated and subject to flying off the handle when provoked. You know, the narrative where folks bitterly cling to their guns and religion and have antipathy to outsiders because they haven't embraced the manifold blessings of liberal governance.
The strawman of the Left in this country is the narrative Southern white male. He is a figure of hatred and derision. He is hated because he will not vote for Democrats even though it is allegedly for his benefit (What's the Matter With Kansas). He is derided because to be a Liberal is to be an unacknowledged and unappreciated genius of higher morality who has evolved beyond the bourgeois world. The Southern white male still believes in Jesus Christ, owns and knows how to use firearms, doesn't listen to Wycliffe Jean and thinks that "metrosexuals" are just oddball. Ick!
To hate and deride such folks is cheap and easy and gives you street cred among the Kos Kids for how "edgy" and sophisticated you are for sticking it to such folks.
The sad truth of this story is that good people of Clay County, Kentucky are being defamed by ignoramuses. Appalachia and Appalachians have come to expect nothing less than thoughtless stereotyping from outsiders and the cited bloggers and reporters and commentators on this site do not disappoint.
Incidentally, what "right wing militias" exist in Appalachia? You commentators from outside the region might be confusing something else for weekend turkey shoots.
JoeCR| 9.29.09 @ 12:52PM
As civil minded Americans, we should thank the likes of the brainwashed or Soros bought Toddard and Cosmos. They help us grow out of our reluctance to stand against the evil that has taken our universities and now our congress and White House. Good going kids.
Amor de Cosmos| 9.29.09 @ 1:21PM
JoeCR: I do hope you misread my comment. I have nothing in common with Toddard other than we are both not dead.
Big Leo| 9.29.09 @ 2:42PM
"if it's a militia member, you'll say, "well, he's not our militia member" OUR militia member? Any militia members here today? No? Didn't think so. People who make this claim imagine that there are millions of slavering, moronic, racist militia members all over rural America, which they define as starting somewhere a few miles west of the Hudson River. In fact, if you study the militia movement, it is very small and confined to a very few areas-- and in nearly all instances, very boringly peaceful except in rhetoric.
Joe| 9.29.09 @ 3:15PM
S.L. Toddard What if it turns out that the murderers *were* hard-core Right Wing militants, 9/12ers, "birthers" and so forth. We will then send them your way.
Flel| 9.29.09 @ 3:40PM
I would guess that the children that killed the schoolboy in Chicago are right wing extremists whipped into a frenzy by Beck and friends too. It seems the killers are just good boys according to their mothers. Good until they cave in the head of another boy for who knows what reason. He likely was not eager to join their gang ranks and paid the ultimate price. Obama's adopted hometown has spawned as much violence as the streets of Bagdhad yet he spends our tax money to lobby foreign governments to give Olympic games to Chicago. How does Chicago getting the games benefit the country as a whole? From the sounds of things it will greatly enrich Friends of Barack more than anything else.
Catherine| 9.29.09 @ 8:25PM
Flel, you must have missed it! Bringing the Olympic games to Chicago will enrich - once again - the king's cohorts, it seems the land to be used for stadiums etc. in Chicago just happens to be currently owned by slum-lord friends of the anointed one. Lots of that printed money is at stake! Surely that will help all as we can delight in paying the price as well a footing the bill for those up-right community workers we keep hearing so much "good" stuff about, but as Hillary made Bill's Monica incident a figment of the right wing radio group, I'm sure this is just more of the same!
KyMouse| 9.29.09 @ 3:44PM
As my nick implies, I'm a Kentuckian, too. I've never been to Clay County, but I do know that people are pretty much the same all over. When I lived in New York City for a couple of years, there were neighborhoods I wouldn't have dreamed of walking into alone, and the same was true when I lived in Washington, D.C. I've also seen dangerous areas of Moscow, Berlin, Toronto, London and other big cities. Whatever actually happened in Clay County, I can guarantee that similar events have happened in many, many other places. We're all fallen human beings, and murder is at home everywhere on Earth.
David| 9.29.09 @ 6:00PM
The left does not tolerate bigotry except among fellow leftists. Regional bigotry among the leftists is among their favorite pasttimes.
Bydand76| 9.29.09 @ 6:17PM
Mr S.L. Toddard
It would seem to me that you have commited the very crime that you are accusing others of commiting. You are about as insincere, two faced, individual I have ever seen.
The great enemy of clear language is insincerity. When there is a gap between one's real and one's declared aims, one turns, as it were, instinctively to long words and exhausted idioms. HEY! Lets ignore Afghanistan and get the Olypics to Chicago! YEAH ! thats a great idea!
It is easy to blame everything REGARDLESS of the circumstances on your opponent due to the simple fact that you might disagree with him.
You are nothing more than a typical liberal who now has proven that you do not have the ability to apply simple solutions to simple problems without resorting to convoluted arguments and flawed logic. You disgust me sir!
There is a silver lining however!Remember this. The next time you have a flat tire, or stub your toe, or get a speeding ticket.
It was everyone who has ever disagreed with you fault. You can conjure up a mental picture of your favorite hated conservative laughing in your face at your displeasure.
Have a great day!
Kurt| 9.29.09 @ 6:20PM
What are the census 'takers' trained to do, if in their course of checking for 'occupied buildings out back,' they came upon an illegal operation, such as a marijuanna grow house or a meth lab?
Bydand76| 9.29.09 @ 6:36PM
What if it was ACORN operatives who killed the census worker to make it seem like right wing militants did it!
I wonder who the S.L. Toddards would blame then?
Pondering| 9.29.09 @ 7:51PM
I live in Kansas and today a police officer was murdered when he answered a bogus 911 call from an ex-con who was out to kill ANY law enforcement officer.
What do you want to bet he was a democrat? Yeah, he didn't survive the shootout with the officers who tracked his sorry butt down!!
Wally| 9.29.09 @ 10:29PM
Okay, lemme get this straight. The murderer was not influenced by Beck and Bachman because of one or more of the following factors:
- there are lots of McDonald's and Wendys in Kentucky
- there are some, not many, but some law abiding people in Clay County
- because the federal -census workers in Clay County - as opposed to the rest of the United States - are deputized and packin.'
- A police office was killed somewhere else by an ex con - who of course can't vote but he was certainly a democrat anyway.
-Acorn registers poor hispanic guys so they probably would have killed the Sparkman upon orders by Eric Holder.
-Even though the term "FED" was written on Sparkman's body, any suggestion that the fact that Sparkman was a federal employee is irrelevant.
-If Sparkman found a meth still, that does not necessarilly mean the meth distillers are not good god fearing people
- that the last 3 murders/massacres by right wing nuts concerned about the supposed Nazi tendencies of the federal government and this murder have nothing to do with Beck and Bachman's accusations that there is a Nazi tendency of the Federal government.
- that meth distillers or marijuana growers killed him because he was a stranger from the federal government snooping around their private property not because he was a federal government employee who was asking them about their private property...
-that somehow the Chicago Olympics games promoters had a role in this ...
How about the green cheese factor? The grassy knoll? The birth certificate? I mean forget Clay County, is everyone on this forum a loon? I mean c'mon, people, watch CSI or reruns of Andy of Mayberry or something. Sometimes the evidence actually means what the evidence means.
juandomino| 9.29.09 @ 11:17PM
I have probably had too many beers to intelligently post here this evening but I find the comments of Toddard laughable, that is if I didn't know that he was completely serious.
Kymouse, you seem well travelled and highly intelligent, are you likewise female and available? Sorry, that was the beer talking.
At any rate, I was born in Kentucky and lived much of my life there through the years. Drugs are rampant in the small communities of Kentucky as I presume is the case in most other rural areas where it is easier to grow and manufacture narcotics without detection.
Churches are also quite numerous as well as those who attend them. Good and decent people abound, as well as the not so good and decent. Per capita I would have to say that there are far less criminals in the rural areas of America as there are in Washington D.C., maybe anywhere.
I have no opinion on the death of Mr. Sparkman, because I have no information, other than to say that it is regretable. What I do have an opinion upon, because I happen to have a wealth of information to support it, is that left wing lunacy fostered in our public education/indoctrination system and propped up by the msm has alienated and angered a large, dare I say, majority group of Americans who have long been silent.
There will come a time in the not so distant future if this trend continues that once peaceful and complacent, this majority will rise up and attempt to shrug off the powers that oppress them. It is as inevitable as it is unavoidable. I hate to be so depressing, I guess reality just has that affect on me.
KyMouse| 10.1.09 @ 4:29PM
Gracias, juandomingo, I am indeed female but not available. However, compliment received and appreciated.
JimE| 9.30.09 @ 1:28AM
What if Sparkman was murdered by left-wing obama minions in order to stir up trouble, not the first time the left has pulled this kind of stunt.
America and Jesus Too| 9.30.09 @ 1:38AM
It isnt??@!!! Name one example, fuckwad.
Bydand76| 9.30.09 @ 8:25PM
How about the time the liberal talk show host got mugged and blamed it on right wing extremists? Eh buddy boy remember that one?
Turns out it was all made up, remember?
want me to keep going? OK!
How about the Milwaukee incident where three Democrat election workers were mugged and robbed, It was the evil republicans who beat the snot out of em right? eeerrrrrrrrr WRONG!
Again all made up.. shall I continue?
Get the point? ok.....
Now,,
Go on home Richard, its time for nighty night and your pacifier is calling!
Nick| 9.30.09 @ 2:00AM
1) -The Weather Underground
2) -The Black Panther Party
3) -The Symbionese Liberation Army
4) -Fuerzas Armadas de Liberación Nacional Puertorriqueña (FALN)
5) -The Red Brigades
6) -George Soros
Is that enough, foul-mouthed jerk?
Trotters = defeeted pigs| 9.30.09 @ 3:18AM
Ah, liberal trolls. Proof that rectal copulation can indeed result in pregnancy.
Crusader| 9.30.09 @ 10:09AM
If Beck is responsible for this guy's murder then the usurper in chief is responsible for that White kid who got beat up by the busload of black kids a few weeks back. Fair 'nuff? He's also responsible for the black panthers threatening White folks in Philadelphia on election day. Obama is also responsible for every crime committed by a black person against a White person.
If you're gonna play the game the rules have to be the same for both sides.
David| 10.25.09 @ 11:53AM
I spent my first 18 years of life in Clay County. I learned that a Right Wing Bible Thumper will kill you because you disagree with his doctrine quicker than an Atheist It almost happened to me twice simply because I let my hair grow out a bit when I was a senior in High School even tho I was a good kid and never in trouble.
I'm not saying that there are not some fine people in Clay County but where I live now, there are fewer druggies, fewer people that abuse their spouses, less crime (I can leave home on vacation for weeks and leave my house doors unlocked and expect to come back to find no one has ran-sacked my house, and I've done that many times.), probably more people around here drink alcohol but it is highly unlikely that someone will get drunk and shoot somebody and most folks around here are not always shoving their religious and political views down your throat.
I miss the hills but I won't be moving back to Eastern Ky. anytime soon.
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