The American Spectator

drudge ette obama| 7.28.09 @ 6:22AM

Michael Fox will read his, for sure. Next question is whether he has the honesty to blow past his liberal stripes to see the truth for what it is. Bioethics should scare him. It scares me.

But then again, why should I work an extra day to pay for his extraordinary health services. What good movies has he made recently, anyway? No drugs for you!

Melvin| 7.28.09 @ 6:55AM

I apologize for the incoherent something that posted above. I have no idea in why it posted the way it did, it sure as heck didn't look that way before I hit the submit button. Below is what it was supposed to look like.

I post on American Spectator regularly and there are some great minds who post their opinions and ideas here.
It would be really something in a perfect world that we all could meet one day for lunch and in the span of one hour solve the ills of our Nation.
But if this Obama Care passes, how many of us who post here will be denied treatment and we will grow silent on American Spectator?
Our opinions, thoughts, and ideas will fade into some hospice being fed drugs that will cloud our thinking, and turn us into piles of human refuse to be cast aside to quietly die and be disposed of because we are no longer deemed useful to the human race.
And what galls me is that a San Franciscan Socialite whose only claim to fame is to have married into money and bought her way to Congress is about to be given a new title of, "God."

Becky| 7.28.09 @ 7:08AM

So, hopefully Obamacare would also mean the end of the massive stem cell programs like California's that uses tax payer money and has proven very little benefit for anyone except the job for those involved.
That was Fox's big pet project also: Demand millions pay for an experimental program designed to personally address your health issue.

Kitty| 7.28.09 @ 7:17AM

I've been waiting for this subject of health care for the rich (under B-HO) to be discussed.

I simply don't believe that Jane Fonda or Michael J. Fox will ever have to sit in a communal waiting room, possibly for hours with the hoi pollois, waiting for their gov-assigned doctor to see them.

I can't picture these privileged being denied any procedure and/or meds they may want.

So, will there be a separate B-HO health care plan for them?

...

JamesJ| 7.28.09 @ 7:54AM

M.J. Fox should go back to Canada and wait in line

Mary Contrary| 7.28.09 @ 7:58AM

You betcha there will be a two-tiered system. One for the proletariat and one for the elite.

a.men| 7.28.09 @ 8:31AM

Best article ever! The truth at last.

Appleby| 7.28.09 @ 9:21AM

Just wait until the Canadians find out how many of THEM will die when ObamaCare hits the Stop Button at the border. Wanna bet the first thing that gets eliminated is health care for people coming in from outside the country because their own healthcare system sucks?

The one thing that keeps Canada's health care system (so called) afloat is the visceral hatred for TheRich that is willing for one's own child to die on a waiting list provided some rich child dies five minutes sooner. Except we all know that the children of TheRich never do -- they are flown to a country without waiting lists. Where will that be when ObamaCare takes the reins? India?

Harold| 7.28.09 @ 9:24AM

With 70 million plus baby boomers waiting in the wings, sugar free Soylent Green could be the answer.

KyMouse| 7.28.09 @ 9:26AM

Thank you, Mr. Lord. I'm sending this out to my email list right away.

Odee| 7.28.09 @ 9:27AM

Your title leaves a lot to be desired, despite the effectiveness of getting me to read the article, which I passed on to my FaceBook for all to see and be 'shocked' anew.

I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say, "Wake up America! It is past time Obama gave us the many truths ignored during his campaign and beyond. Let's start with the Truth of his Hawaiian Long Form Bith Certificate."

American Citizen| 7.28.09 @ 9:27AM

"I have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawaii State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural-born American citizen," Health Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said in a brief statement. "I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago."

Richard Baker| 7.28.09 @ 9:56AM

BioEthics? A true contradiction in terms. Maybe Fox can garner sympathy by not taking his medication and going on TV to be interviewed. Oh wait, he's already done that before. Murderous is the only way to describe these barbarous ideas. Himmler and Sanger would approve.

Lisa| 7.28.09 @ 10:11AM

I would have died two years ago under Obamacare. I have a rare, incurable, terminal cancer, yet palliative chemo and radiation have slowed the spread of my cancer and proglonged my life. Although the cancer is metastasizing in my lungs and liver, I continue to have a good quality of life.
Who is to be the one to tell my children and my parents that my life is no longer worth living simply because it is too expensive to keep me alive?

Roger the gay muppet| 7.28.09 @ 10:17AM

I can't wait till Barney Frank tells Hollywood movie stars, directors and producers they made too much money and their salaries must be capped. Start with Babs and David Geffen.

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 7.28.09 @ 10:29AM

This is a two part comment. Part 1 concerns a notice I received via email from AARP that obumassiah is chatting with that membership this afternoon. The exchange follows:

“LIVE Town Hall Meeting with President Barack Obama and AARP: Tuesday, July 28, at 1:30 pm Eastern time, President Obama is coming to AARP for a special LIVE town hall meeting with AARP members. He will brief us on details of the health care reform plan Congress is considering and will be taking your questions.

Some of the questions for President Obama will come directly from this webpage we set up JUST FOR THIS EVENT! Here's your chance – what would you like President Obama to address regarding health care reform?

I submitted, “If this plan to control the health care industry is so wonderful, why did you and the members of Congress exempt yourselves from it?”

Email from AARP:
GILL, thank you for submitting a question for the live town hall meeting with President Obama, which will be held on Tuesday, July 28, at 1:30 pm Eastern time.

Go to this page to watch the webcast of the live town hall:
http://www.aarp.org/TownHall.
We look forward to having you join us for this historic event!

Sincerely,
Barry Jackson
AARP

My reply to the above:

“I'd rather listen to Rush Limbaugh than the liar-in-chief. I might read the transcript.”

Part 2 of this comment is my post to the American Spectator article “Health Care Reform and the American Character” by Congressman Paul Ryan on 7/23/09. I think it applies here.

A wise, ancient with rather archaic ideas who knew a little something about healing sick people once said, according to his beloved friend, that “no servant is greater than his master; no messenger is greater than the man who sent him (John 13:16; The Jerusalem Bible).” Yet those who have chosen careers as public servants sent to Washington by those who they claim to serve, are currently considering The Health Care Reform Bill which is the greatest threat ever to Democracy and Freedom in the United States of America. The very fact that these alleged public servants intend to exempt themselves from the consequences of this piece of legislative garbage proves my point. If it’s such a good plan, surely our elected officials would be clamoring to lead the way in signing up for it. But they are not. Instead they have once again weaseled out on their fiduciary responsibilities to this country. By exempting themselves they intend to establish a permanent ruling class of elite Americans which flies in the face of every Constitutional principle which is the birthright of every American. By establishing themselves as a royal class of Americans in violation of our Constitution, Congress and the president will be committing Treason. Treason is an impeachable offense. Ironically, the very elite class which would be guilty of this treason would be the very judges and juries of any impeachment. This kangaroo court would deny all other Americans due process under the law and would constitute an act of tyranny. A man whose intelligence and dedication to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness alone exceeds that of all those currently working in Washington DC, wrote back in 1776 “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.” A vote in favor of this bill is not reform, it is a death blow to the Nation which was born when the Declaration of Independence was signed by our honorable and valiant Founders in Congress 233 years ago. Another Dead President spoke about a “government: of the people, by the people, for the people” and expressed a hope that it would “not perish from the earth.” By setting themselves up as our lords and masters, Congress and the Kenyan-in-charge will destroy Lincoln’s hope.

To which I’d like to add that I am very concerned that the BOD czar will be a political hack, most likely a graduate of the Chicago School. I would not be surprised if the first item that pops up on Czar Mengele’s teleprompter will be the amount the patient in question contributed to obumah’s campaign coffers. Since so many of the Gollywood elite jumped in the tank for THE ONE, I doubt that their health care, which will no doubt include surgical augmentation as needed to enhance and prolong their careers, will go unfunded by the new American peasant class.

American| 7.28.09 @ 10:41AM

I am appalled that people can post a message on a website condemning another person and wish them death. Just because Michael J Fox is a star and wealthy does not mean he deserves to die. I am sure those of you that are being so heartless would do as he has done if you had the money to save yourself. Don't put him down and wish him death just because he had made enough money to try to save himself and everyone who has the same disease. How many stars that have cancer have you condemned and wish death to that are fighting for a cure of cancer? You should all be ashamed of yourselves! Your attitudes are one of the reasons we have the horrific president that we do and why the United States is going to hell!

Jeannine| 7.28.09 @ 10:43AM

I agree w/your logic: alot of the famous would adversely be affected by Obamacare. In reality that will not happen because they will seek treatment elsewhere in the world. They would travel to specific countries that are noted for exceptional care & cure rates for specific maladies. illnesses, etc... For example 1 travels to India for heart & orthopedic surgeries & to Mexico for kidney problems. Alot of the doctors in these countries have been educated in the USA. There's also talk circulating about American doctors setting up shop in Carribean islands if Obamacare is passed. Ingenuity & the free market will survive which means the best medical care will survive somewhere. Unfortunately for most of us, schmoes w/a middle class income who can not afford to jetset for treatments, it's not going to be in the USA.

dagnytaggart| 7.28.09 @ 10:48AM

Doesn't Fox have a duty to die? After all he is a big Dem and voted for hope and change and could never be a hypocrite. He really can't expect to claim the elite exemption from Obamascare anymore.
The only person who could have benefited from Obamascare was Micheal Jackson because he might not have been allowed to have that private physician that gave him the Propofol OD (unless it was euthanasia for depression).

Jeffrey Lord| 7.28.09 @ 10:53AM

American...

"I am appalled that people can post a message on a website condemning another person and wish them death. Just because Michael J Fox is a star and wealthy does not mean he deserves to die. "

No one here believes Michael J. Fox deserves to die. Very much to the contrary. ObamaCare is trying to set up precisely the kind of system in which Mr. Fox's life would be at risk from the government. As would yours. That's the point. It's good that you take offense - we all should.

Thanks| 7.28.09 @ 10:54AM

Thanks for a great article. Does anyone know the email addresses of the celebrities listed? I think it might open their eyes to see how close they are to the "front line of mortality".

Tim| 7.28.09 @ 11:23AM

The horror of this is that in the not distant future, wealthy and powerful people will seek treatment in exclusive offshore medical centers. The poor will be cattle chuted into inner city ER's that will function as successfully as inner city schools.
The middle class will pay for everything and be rationed, literally, to death. New and promising drugs and therapies will be denied as "experimental" even as the elites receive them in Caribbean spas.

Tom | 7.28.09 @ 11:35AM

So, according to my QALY

Anthony| 7.28.09 @ 11:36AM

The answer: Under Obama's Health Care, NOBODY will tell Michael J. Fox he has to die, because Mr. Fox will be one of the "chosen" that Obama's army of bureaucrats will favor with treatment.
While Obama's bureaucrats will ration health care for the rest of us, and punish us for behaviors they deem unacceptable, Obama's army will favor those who suffer from afflictions that are deemed acceptable. Under Obamacare, those who eat red meat and smoke, will be pitted against those with AIDS. Guess who will get the treatment and who will not? This is a very, very dangerous game Obama and his acolytes are engaged in.

JP| 7.28.09 @ 11:38AM

The Nazis had a very ominous word to describe Jews, as well as an entire class of undesirables:

Untermenschen

Welcome to fascism American Style. What is so ironic is that the age-group that has pushed so long and hard for something like ObamaCare (the Baby Boomers) will be its first beneficiaries.

Louis Jenkins| 7.28.09 @ 11:41AM

What a great article! The truth cuts like a two edged sword. Obamacare is a program for population control and riddance of Useless Eaters. Did I miss the paragraph that mentioned Union exemption from the master plan?

Tom| 7.28.09 @ 11:41AM

So, according to my QALY I should cash in all my savings, sell the bonds, redeem the annuities and take a world tour. Having suvived two heart attacks, two open heart operations, broke both legs in an auto accident which resulted in an infection in the steel plate in one of the legs that had to be removed, I guess living to 75 will be enough for some government bureaucrat.

Susan| 7.28.09 @ 11:50AM

It appears Obamacare is just another word for euthanasia for the sick and elderly. How can the world not see this?

The author of the above article does NOT wish death for Michael Fox or anyone else for that matter. The article states facts, and under Obamacare, everyone's life will be at risk. That is a fact!

Think First| 7.28.09 @ 12:12PM

Another thing missed here is basically the whole professional sports world. Tiger is mentioned but can you imagine a football player injured on the field, taken off on a stretcher only to wait in the emergency room for days? Will pro players injuries requiring special surgeries to repair knees, elbows, and shoulders be forced to wait like everyone else or given special exemption because of their WOW factor with the masses?

Maybe because of their "importance" in keeping people distracted from real issues by watching movies huddled around their TV sets because they can't afford heat in the winter, or watching tennis, golf or baseball while fanning themselves trying to stay cool because they can't afford the higher electric rates to turn their air conditioner on will mean once Health Care Reform and Cap And Tax pass, there must be something to keep the clueless masses entertained...

...while they patiently wait to die young to make more room for a new generation to come along ready to be indoctrinated from preschool in the benefits of being a good citizen by reporting cheating parents and friends who try and trick the system.

Oh but wait didn't someone write a book about something like that a long time ago? Some Orwell guy wasn't it with a weird title with some kind of year instead of a real name? Oh but that's right. Those kind of books were banned under the "Hate Speech" legislation to make sure we all "just get along" like good little sheep waiting to be shorn because they'd just encourage too much controversial thoughts against our sainted leaders who after all, only have our best interests at heart don't they?

Misty Ihrke| 7.28.09 @ 12:16PM

Congressman John Fleming (Louisiana physician) has proposed an amendment that would require congressmen and senators to take the same healthcare plan they force on us (under proposed legislation they are curiously exempt). Congressman Fleming is encouraging
people to go on his Website and sign his petition (very simple -just first, last and email) at:
http://fleming.house.gov/ .
There is also a support letter to print out and mail to your representative.

Jim in Sugar Land| 7.28.09 @ 12:17PM

I too agree that Obamacare and all of his propositions are a joke, and the American People need to wake up and get this Tyrant out of office, either through impeachment or because he is simply not eligible. Let's face it, what is he trying to hide (that he is a communist/marxist) we know that already. He is a POOR representative of this country's most powerful person, and what a mistake everyone made wanting change and trusting this LIAR, he has made the U. S. of A. look like a terrible country, instead of the great country we are. We did not have all the economic problems we have now, till he was voted in and everyone tghrew in the towel! No he has bankrupted major companies and corporations and is trying to do the same with the Gov't. What a MESS!! And all of the ignorant people of the USA put us there, now do something about it before it's TOO late. I feel ashamed to be na American and I never did before now.

Teri| 7.28.09 @ 12:33PM

The point has been made...those who "belong" will not be subjected to "the rules". Only the rest of us will be. That much is a certainty. How interesting that our President is concerned about "subjectivity" when that is precisely what "the rules" are. Who determines the so-called objective numbers in QALY? Who determines what is a life worth living or saving? No subjectivity there! This is why we have The Five Wishes and why we all discuss these issues as families, we all have different ideas. One person pursues treatment, another doesn't. I know that I would rather NOT have these very personal decisions taken from me. But I guess our President has other ideas on how to ration another of our precious resources and rights.
I work in health care with people of many different abilities. I cannot imagine making a choice for them; or far worse, having the government, who has proven time and again that they complicate andything they are involved in, making these choices.
I wish us all the best and pray for hope in this crazy mixed up time of President Obama. I for one will work my hardest to help people live full, quality lives regardless of their medical/health situation! Personal choice is crucial for Americans, government rules will be our downfall in health care.

Klabautermann| 7.28.09 @ 1:03PM

"There is a whole bunch of care that's being provided that every study, every bit of evidence that we have indicates may not be making us healthier." What Our Dear Leader, President Obama (peace be with him) is talking about is the inefficiencies of the market system. This system must be replaced by the efficiency of the national government.

Our Lumpenaristokrats need not fear that they will be treated like the great unwashed. There will always be exceptions. You will not find the nomenklatura queuing up at the local health kolkhoz.

Drinkers and smokers - toast.
Do you "need" a sex change operation? Well that will have to be decided in the courts. There are penumbras and eminations in Constitution that specifically deal with the transgendered.

I would like to nominate Professor Peter Singer for BOB Czar. Although he admits that his life is meaningless he has some interesting ethical ideas about sex with animals.

KyMouse| 7.28.09 @ 1:05PM

Lisa, God bless you and keep you in His care.

mmmikkke fooox| 7.28.09 @ 1:24PM

nnnot fffuuunnnny

larry| 7.28.09 @ 1:58PM

Fred Thompson did an interview with Betsy McCaughley, lt governor of New York, she has read the bill, on page 426 of Hussiens Obamasnare, she says that $500,000,000, will be taken from reduced senior care(mom, dad, grandmother, grandfather) to help pay for this massive bill, she says that senior people will have to go every five years to be drilled on how to end their life prematurily, and if you get a disease, you will have to go after the diagnosis is made. We have got to stop this bill from passing!

Melvin| 7.28.09 @ 1:59PM

Here is a scary thought. The Dem's will craft Obama Care to create a master race of Democrat voters, while denying care to the non-believers.

Praisercheri| 7.28.09 @ 2:00PM

QALY sounds like a skit from "Saturday Night Live". It would be laughable if it weren't true.

I read a great quote. "America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we have destroyed ourselves." –Abraham Lincoln

Sleepers, awake!

P.S. Lisa, I will keep you in my prayers.

Melvin| 7.28.09 @ 2:02PM

Afterthought, the only way we are going to stop this bill is to storm Washington D.C. and take it back by force.
Because our elected leaders sure as hell aren't listening to us.
Our government is being run by the four riders of the Apocalypse, Obama, Emanuel, Pelosi, and Reid.

Bill Pearce| 7.28.09 @ 2:11PM

Consider, the average life-span of a death row inmate is 20 years when the sentence is under appeal in death penalty states. Also consider, the life-span of convicted murderers in non-death penalty states can not be terminated by the state. Also under law, the state must provide medical care comparable to the care of governmental employees. So under Obama-Care with the “Duty to Die” option, You would have a longer life-span if you killed a prominent politician upon contracting a fatal disease.

Personally, I think the political left has a sub-conscience inversion of a sense of what is right and wrong. Only the political left is so insane as to create the legal conditions of required mayhem and havoc. So good luck to all surviving life under Obama-care.

On the other hand, the Secret Service must love the “Right to Die” option as they will soon have plenty of “business”.

justasking| 7.28.09 @ 2:20PM

It is my understanding that lung cancer has a very low survival rate. Now since Obama apparently still smokes if he develops lung cancer or even emphysema will he be denied the surgery or chemotherapy to treat him? Guess not because his life is so much more important that the rest of us. These people are insane!

FeralCat| 7.28.09 @ 2:47PM

Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
Hey, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
I had a dream last night about my comin’ medical care
Somebody said “What you’ll get is Dashle Kennedy Care!’”
And there I stood with a rag in my mouth upon which to bite.

Look at them waiting lines there, they’re hardly even movin’
And there’s a bureaucrat at every one
Hey, Mr. Obama, you mind if I be excused the rest of the decade?
HEY MISTER FOX, DUCK YER HEAD!!
(Sound of bureaucrat’s clipboard whizzing by)
Hmm, you’re a little bit late on that one, Mister Fox
Whooh, I bet that smarts!

Please Mr. Obama, I don’t wanna go
Listen, Mr. Obama, please don’t make me go
There’s a bureaucrat a’waitin’ out there, just fixin to decide my fate
A complainer I’ve been called cuz I don’t wanna wind up screamin’ or dead

I wonder what the Kenyan word for friend is
Let’s see-friend– kemo sabe, that’s it!
KEMO SABE!, HEY OUT THERE-KEMO SABE!
Nope, that itn’t it
Look at them durned fascists
They’re runnin’ around like a bunch of wild Mengeles and Kevorkians-heh, heh, heh

Mrs P| 7.28.09 @ 2:49PM

Who is going to have that quiet conversation with Teddy?

Everly Waverly| 7.28.09 @ 2:53PM

Oh, don't ya know everything pointed out in this column is spot-on, although that acronym BOD could very well be "Better Off Dead".....

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 7.28.09 @ 2:53PM

Melvin, if this bill passes, I will be condemned by the obumah communists to death. I had a stroke two years ago caused by diabetes. Never mind that I beat the diabetes through the grace of God, the love of an amazing woman and our family, the skill of a competent physician, diet and exercise. I celebrated the 39th anniversary of my being eligible to vote last month, which is a third strike against me. My Daddy trudged across North Africa, up through Italy and helped liberate at least one concentration camp. He did not do so just for me to live in a soviet utopia. The only difference I see between his war and mine is that my enemies are domestic. There are few more dangerous than a cornered adversary with nothing to lose. Describes me if this bill passes. What do you have in mind?

Gill O’Teen ✝✡| 7.28.09 @ 2:59PM

FeralCat, by golly you must be older than I am. Haven’t heard the original of the tune on which you based your parody since before the British Invasion. Thanks for the humor!

FeralCat| 7.28.09 @ 3:00PM

Melvin|: Afterthought, the only way we are going to stop this bill is to storm Washington D.C. and take it back by force.
Because our elected leaders sure as hell aren't listening to us.
Our government is being run by the four riders of the Apocalypse, Obama, Emanuel, Pelosi, and Reid.

Brother Loki will carry the flame
And Thor will throw down the lightning and rain
Upon the dragon-boats, the tyrant Obama we will assail
The Norsemen’s battle-call will wail
Storming ashore with torch in hand
Claiming back our cherished land
To one day view the Cosmic Tree
And hang from it the same as he

Dante Santini| 7.28.09 @ 3:24PM

In response to Jeffrey Lord's outstanding rant today:

It's refreshing to see real conservatives pen so creatively, as it is usually not their forte. They consistently do have a corner on criticism, however. I suspect a good student of story-telling like Michel J. Fox will secretly applaud Ford for his approach, not his message naturally.

But always forgotten when criticizing or making fun of others, however politically incorrect, is what happens when the table turns. That the second when you receive your cancer or ALS diagnosis, or wake up in a cardiac care unit. It's the moment you suddenly realize how survival at any cost is simply a genetic trait that no one has figured out how to avoid, save for the successfully suicidal.

But, hey, here's to drinking cocktails and talking about everyone else's deaths!

Dante

Joe B| 7.28.09 @ 3:35PM

Ideally, why not eradicate medicine entirely? The human race doesn't need it to continue. Most people remain in perfect health throughout their peak years for reproduction. And the occasional plague is excellent for reducing overcrowding in cities. The elderly, at some of them, will die sooner, there will be no Octomom's, no expensive transplant operations, no liposuction. Make the study of the human body a purely academic discipline.

And $ave, $ave, $ave!!

Melvin| 7.28.09 @ 3:37PM

Hot Damn, my fellow brothers and sisters are hot today with some might fine sounding posts.
Remember my fellow Americans it was the minority that fought for the Independence of this Country, and by the grace of God it will be the same minority of freedom loving Americans that slaps the dog squeeze out of the Liberal Socialists and tosses their sorry Communist lovin backsides into the abyss of hell from whence they came.
We can still my matches and lighter fluid at Walmart can't we?
So what do ya say we light this rocket and see where it takes us?

Maddox| 7.28.09 @ 4:03PM

The limits placed on those who are handicapped, elderly, stricken with chronic conditions, or obese bring to mind another reason for Hollywood to be concerned about the health scare bill. Guidelines should also be established to exclude the anorexic starlets from treatment that may be saved for someone who is not in such a wasted state, Paris Hilton, Terri Hatcher, etc. Let's not exclude those elitists who so vocally supported this marxist adminstration.

doplar| 7.28.09 @ 4:21PM

Not to worry, if we all keep a smile and think nice thoughts everything will work out wonderfully. :)

Richard Baker| 7.28.09 @ 4:27PM

American:
You do understand the meaning of satire, don't you? This article highlights absurdity by BEING absurd. No one wishes Fox to die. His case highlights the absurdity of the Kenyan's "Health Care" proposals. Are you related to Floyd R. Turbo?

Jay heathman| 7.28.09 @ 4:27PM

WHO will tell him? I will be DELIGHTED to tell him it's his duty to bite the big one! After all, he DOES support Obongo, euthanasia, and the sacrifice of defenseless embryonic babies, for 'the common good'... so come on, Mikey, set the example! Show us the way! Suck that tailpipe like your gutless pal, Chris Reeve... oh, no, that's right, HE didn't have the guts to show his convictions either, did he? Killing babies and euthanizing 'useless eaters' is perfectly desirable to your kind - as long as you, the 'elite' are not threatened by it!
How nauseating!

Alan| 7.28.09 @ 4:31PM

I sure hope that Michael J. Fox is NO friend of Rahm Emanuel, as Rahm's bro, "Dr." Zeke Emanuel is on record saying that if he had to choose between a 65 year old patient and a 25 year old one for treatment, he'd opt for the 25 year old one because the longevity factor. Nice. This is part and parcel of the Obie-Pelosi-Emanuel "public" care package - rationing.

Which means, Mike, that despite your support for the fraud and hypocrite from Kenya, according to his health advisers if it is between a guy like you with pressing medical problems and a dingdong like Lindsay Lohan, Lindsay will get the meds - you won't. Of course she'll probably o'd on 'em, but that won't save you.

kwills| 7.28.09 @ 4:36PM

So according to Singer, flatuence may be a nascent Princeton Bioethics professor in the making? Of course it depends on the mixture.

SusanL| 7.28.09 @ 4:38PM

My son is severely brain damaged from an auto accident when he was 7. He is now 31. He injuries are were so severe, he has lived in a care center this entire time. Under Obamacare, what will happen to him? He needs care I am unable to provide, what am I going to do?

To his family and his care givers, Rob's life has meaning and joy, but he costs $8,000 a month.

JP| 7.28.09 @ 4:44PM

Just think, the future will have many more Terri Shaivos! If you are 68 with a pile of lute (McMansions, 401ks, IRAs, properties) and a bad ticker, the Doc would be under extreme pressure to just let you die (It's all for the Children, isn't it?). Who knows, perhaps ObamaCare is all about the government getting your money sooner rather than later.

Barbara| 7.28.09 @ 4:50PM

I have a cousin and several friends with multiple sclerosis. How many with MD will not receive the care to keep them alive for as long as possible.
These people live for a long time, some not so long but for as long as they live they enjoy life. They do not deserve to die any sooner than when their death occurs naturally.
Does this mean premature babies will die at birth? Does this mean there will be no effort made to treat them so they can live a long life?
Does this mean any one who is seriously injured in an accident will be denied therapy because it could take years of therapy before they will be able function with out treatment. Will our soldiers be forced to do with out any medical treatment for their injuries?
Is there to be a cut off date -- if you need care after 365 days to bad - you are on your own.
People with life time illness, epilepsy, diabetes, lupus, dialysis, is there an age where medicines and treatments will be stopped?
If this obama care is made into law we are signing our own death warrants.

ghostsouls| 7.28.09 @ 4:53PM

There used to be an old movie, and I cannot for the life of me remember the name of it, but when people got to age 35, the government told them they were going to go thru this life celebration things, and move on to a better life, in like a higher state of being, only at some point during the movie they figure out they are being euthanized by the government. obama care plans to give abortions on demand, thus saving mega money over the life span of the aborted chilid in welfare and medical benefits, kill off the elderly, thus saving life the cost on life extending treatment and medicines, denying those that are going to die anyway, life prolonging medical care and drugs.......they don't tell you this is where the cost effectiveness comes from, this is how they are going to save YOU money. But of course those same old cronies will not be subject to their own plan, or it's rules. The doctors will be forced to be the harbi9nger of death, in their scheme to decrease the population, thereby decreasing costs. If the doctor refuses he will be fined, it is in the bill. The bill they want no one to read, yet vote on.

Bill Pearce| 7.28.09 @ 4:56PM

If anyone cares here is the email address for Michael J Fox.

Michael_j.fox@parkinson'sfund.com

Does anyone want to send this Blog thread to him?

Moose| 7.28.09 @ 4:57PM

This is the first step toward a Logan's Run style future where we kill off a person when they reach a certain age. Will it be 60 as seen in a Star Trek Episode? Will it be 30 as in the movie version of Logan's Run? Or, will it be 21 as in the novel Logan's Run? It's a slippery slope controlled by actuarial tables and costs!

cellofello| 7.28.09 @ 5:06PM

Conservatives are complaining that government health care is too expensive, and at the same time complaining that government health care will result in rationing. These arguments are contradictory. The first is that it will spend too much, and the second is that it will spend too little. You can't honestly complain about both at the same time.

The fact is, health care is currently rationed by money. If you don't have enough money to buy insurance or pay directly for your own care, you don't get treatment unless someone else volunteers (charity) or is compelled (government) to pay for your care. We already have people who die when they could have lived. For someone whose life could be prolonged, do you think it matters to them whether they die because an Obamacare bureaucrat decides their life is too empty, or a hospital admissions clerk decides their wallet is too empty?

For all of you who call yourself believers in the right to life, which is truly the more pro-life position: spending a million dollars on vaccinations so that a hundred infants get to live a full life instead of dying in childhood, or spending it on a heart transplant for an 80-year-old?

I'm sympathetic to the libertarian argument that it's simply wrong to steal money from person A to benefit person B. And it's certainly wrong to tell me I can't spend whatever I have left after taxes on private medical care. But when you are arguing the horrors of rationing, you are ignoring the fact that we already have rationing by different means. Please, let's have just a little intellectual honesty in this debate.

Franc| 7.28.09 @ 5:09PM

Logan's Run:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan's_Run_(1976_film)

End times| 7.28.09 @ 5:10PM

By Dr. Elias Akleh, Information Clearing House, November 11, 2006

In mid 1970s the American Power Elite drew a “Grand Plan” to control and to monopolize global oil and nuclear energy resources, for he who controls energy resources determines the fate of nations. The base of this “Grand Plan” is the invasion of energy rich countries to directly control their resources, and to create subservient governments that would exploit their own people as cheap labor to harvest energy for the United States.

The collapse of the Soviet Union had created a window of opportunity for the United States to ensure and to affirm its global superiority through expansion and controlling energy resources without any real opposition. The attacks of 911 were necessary requirements for the Bush administration to wage a “global war against terror” that would serve as a cover up for American hegemony. President Bush borrowed Mussolini's fascist motto of “If you are not with me, you are against me” and turned it into “You are either with us or with the terrorist” to terrorize weaker nations into accepting American expansions.

Part of the “Grand Plan”, which deals with the Arab World (Middle East) and South East Asia, was handed down to the Bush/Cheney administration for execution. The invasions and destructions of Afghanistan and Iraq are just the beginning. Iran, Syria, and Lebanon are next. Controlling Iran is very important to the American administration. Iran sits on a lake of oil and has large deposits of uranium that, when mined and refined, could make Iran a super global power. Controlling Iran leads to the containment of China (America's greatest competitor), who depends heavily on Iranian oil to satisfy its growing hunger for energy. Geographically Iran makes the shortest and the most economical route for Kazakhstan's oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea ,north, to the Persian Gulf south with all the oil-tankers traffic. Iran also fits perfectly within the line of American hegemony in South East Asia. Listening to Bush's speeches – especially his speech to the United Nation last September 2006- one can detect his “enthusiasm” for “spreading democracy and freedom” into the “despotic Middle East” with Iraq as an example.

The Bush/Cheney administration started its overt aggression against Iran immediately after 911 attacks. Bush described Iran as one of the “axis of evil” sponsoring “terrorist” groups such as the Lebanese Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas, who are in reality defending themselves against Israeli aggression. After the American invasion of Iraq the American administration accused Iran of instigating a civil war in Iraq by supporting Shiites against Sunnis, and of opening its borders wide for terrorists to enter Iraq. The administration is accusing Iran of building a nuclear bomb, and is continuously threatening its government to abandon its nuclear “ambitions” or else face dire consequences including nuclear strikes (a paradox of using nuclear weapon to stop the proliferation of nuclear weapons). Condoleezza Rice, the Secretary of State described Iran as a “central bank for world terrorism” that is threatening the stability of the Middle East.

Bill Pearce| 7.28.09 @ 5:16PM

To: Ghostsouls

The movies name was “Logan's Run” 1976 with the lead actors Michael York, Jenny Agutter, Farrah Fawcett and Michael Anderson.
Wikipedia and Amazon.com both have a good brief synopsis of the movie.

Thom| 7.28.09 @ 5:16PM

I think Logan's Run spoke to the ultimate solution to health care cost.....

Thom| 7.28.09 @ 5:21PM

The age limit was 30 years old btw

Thom| 7.28.09 @ 5:35PM

Cellofello, of course everything in life is rationed by scarce resources of one type or the other but you miss the point here. We all have the choice to choose what things we value and we are willing to work toward fulfilling within our means, not someone else’s means. With the current insurance based system you have some choices as to your cost and risks. In one big collective you will become just a statistic and be bound by the need to protect the collective’s interest not yours. Everywhere this mindset is put into play leads to casting the marginal statistics out the window to save the collective from harm rather than each individual setting their own value and working toward that end. In a Utopian world we wouldn’t be having this conversation but in the real world the individual is being forced to become part of a greater hive at the expense of their individual worth. The current system already does this to some extent but there is some choices left in that system. The one size fits all collective coming down the pike will do none of that for those that don’t have to means to bypass the collective’s solution.

Robert Barker| 7.28.09 @ 5:38PM

Canada has taken a poll and they agree their health care system is great. We are mired in sub par thinking and have riddled ourselves with propghanda on the right concerning health care. Truth is it is the most expensive system in the world right now. We pay more per capa for health care than any nation on Earth. Yet we are rated 37 by the World Health Organization. Third world countries are rated higher. Its time we faced the truth our system for profits sucks and is not giving the public its needed care. We are the only civilized country in the world without some kind of universal coverage. Dare we forget the lobbies for once and think of the average guy or are we HMO addicted and profit only medicine is all we know... That attitude is the reason we are here now... Wake up America universal health care is cheaper than this system. If we have acces to Drs early prevention is easy but most uninsured people wait until its an emergency than that takes tewn times ther cash to fix... Acess to Drs is the cheapest way to prevent over cost problems... But too get that we must have universal coverage... Too many knuckle dragging right wing nit wits that never do the research are clowning us into a hole for insurance companies profit while we hget the shaft...

DAve| 7.28.09 @ 5:50PM

Chris Reeves has gotta go for the same reason

Doorgunner| 7.28.09 @ 5:53PM

Mr. Barker,

Go away, troll. I belong to an HMO, member owned. No insurance company is ripping me off. Your wealth envy, "insurance company profit" claptrap doesn't cut it here. When Obama, Pelosi, Reid, Dewey, Cheatham and Howe start talking about fixing Social Security and Medicare -closing the ability of the gov't. to 'borrow' from those programs would be a start- I'll start believing them when they tell me the sun is up.

Colin| 7.28.09 @ 6:12PM

A quick reply here to poster Dave (above):

(a) Chris Reeve (aka) the former "Superman" has long ago gone to his obligatory dirt nap. It was in all the papers, Dave.

(b) Having corrected your lack of knowledge with reagard to the previous posting - at least Chris had the good sense to take his early dirt nap in advance of Obama's advancing healthcare guidelines. After all -- you can't have a good liberal taking up medical space and valuable services when "leaving the building" is the more cost efficicent option.

Can you?

Meanwhile - how IS Michael J. these days? Not holding out for additional treatment, care and taking up valuable resources ... I hope??

At least ... let's hope not!

Always On Watch| 7.28.09 @ 6:14PM

Having just finished reading Michael J. Fox's book "Always Looking Up," I found this article particularly powerful. I wonder if Mr. Fox will be so optimistic when he finds out what ObamaKare really entails.

Texas Dar| 7.28.09 @ 6:16PM

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GEne Hauber| 7.28.09 @ 6:18PM

I have no special interest in the people mentioned in this article, but I have no reason to believe that their lives are less valuable than mine, as does the obama admin. with its proponents, such as, peter singer from, of all places, Princeton Univ. Accompanying him are his help mates in congress, the likes of America's most stupid, nancy pelosi and harry reid.
America and most of its people would be much better served if we considered the QALY (quality adjusted life year) to this abominable obama administration. We could euthanize the whole gang and save America as the shining city on a hill as a beacon to liberty and freedom to the rest of the world.
Can this imbecilic clown act in washington, now!!
HOW DID 300 MILLION CITIZENS ELECT THIS AWFUL HALF DOZEN IDIOTS OUT OF ALL THE POSSIBILITIES? BEATS ME.
WAKE UP AMERICA AND SMELL THE STINK OF SOCIALISM COMING AT YOU.

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No Care Under Current System| 7.28.09 @ 6:37PM

I am absolutely shocked there are people who are my countrymen who are so misled- so brainwashed, and so uninformed as the majority who've posted here.

Fine, you've whined loud enough- you've spread your lies and falsehoods about Obama's health plan. Let's say you get your way, and we remain status quo as the 37th place health care in the world.

What is the current plan for a person with a Mensa level IQ and college degree to get quality physical and mental health care, at no cost, because they have no income and no assets- BEFORE they are able to get work. I repeat- being able to work BEFORE is impossible due to the medical condition suffered.

The "right" says everything's peachy under our current system- how do I get quality care, huh? Community health? Only get to see a sub-par Nurse Practictioner, never a Doctor- and even if it were a Doctor, it'd be a lesser skilled one. Community Mental Health? Have to be a threat to yourself or others to get an appointment. Pro-bono? No one does it, period. End of story on that.

So, you have the answers- please, by all means, provide them.

(Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response: Kill yourself. Oddly, I've had over 30 people on the right suggest I suicide, yet I've not only NEVER received such a vile comment from someone on the left- I've also received sympathy, understanding and support- as HUMAN BEINGS should act. Kind of clearly shows which side of the aisle holds the vilest portion of our society.)

You people SERIOUSLY think it's acceptable to tell me I should die at 37 when I could live to 90, even when I could get back to being a productive member of society- like when I was working: 8 years straight, 7 days a week, 12-24 hours a day. Oh, shoot- there goes the whole "unemployed people are lazy" stereotype! Darn it.

Some of the things I hear from the right make me shake my head- how can you look in the mirror and gladly assign people to die so that someone can make $4mil a year instead of $2mil a year? My god! How could they survive on $2mil a year? The horror!

Sage Supreme| 7.28.09 @ 6:38PM

I am absolutely shocked there are people who are my countrymen who are so misled- so brainwashed, and so uninformed as the majority who've posted here.

Fine, you've whined loud enough- you've spread your lies and falsehoods about Obama's health plan. Let's say you get your way, and we remain status quo as the 37th place health care in the world.

What is the current plan for a person with a Mensa level IQ and college degree to get quality physical and mental health care, at no cost, because they have no income and no assets- BEFORE they are able to get work. I repeat- being able to work BEFORE is impossible due to the medical condition suffered.

The "right" says everything's peachy under our current system- how do I get quality care, huh? Community health? Only get to see a sub-par Nurse Practictioner, never a Doctor- and even if it were a Doctor, it'd be a lesser skilled one. Community Mental Health? Have to be a threat to yourself or others to get an appointment. Pro-bono? No one does it, period. End of story on that.

So, you have the answers- please, by all means, provide them.

(Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response: Kill yourself. Oddly, I've had over 30 people on the right suggest I suicide, yet I've not only NEVER received such a vile comment from someone on the left- I've also received sympathy, understanding and support- as HUMAN BEINGS should act. Kind of clearly shows which side of the aisle holds the vilest portion of our society.)

You people SERIOUSLY think it's acceptable to tell me I should die at 37 when I could live to 90, even when I could get back to being a productive member of society- like when I was working: 8 years straight, 7 days a week, 12-24 hours a day. Oh, shoot- there goes the whole "unemployed people are lazy" stereotype! Darn it.

Some of the things I hear from the right make me shake my head- how can you look in the mirror and gladly assign people to die so that someone can make $4mil a year instead of $2mil a year? My god! How could they survive on $2mil a year? The horror!

Wisdom| 7.28.09 @ 6:38PM

I am absolutely shocked there are people who are my countrymen who are so misled- so brainwashed, and so uninformed as the majority who've posted here.

Fine, you've whined loud enough- you've spread your lies and falsehoods about Obama's health plan. Let's say you get your way, and we remain status quo as the 37th place health care in the world.

What is the current plan for a person with a Mensa level IQ and college degree to get quality physical and mental health care, at no cost, because they have no income and no assets- BEFORE they are able to get work. I repeat- being able to work BEFORE is impossible due to the medical condition suffered.

The "right" says everything's peachy under our current system- how do I get quality care, huh? Community health? Only get to see a sub-par Nurse Practictioner, never a Doctor- and even if it were a Doctor, it'd be a lesser skilled one. Community Mental Health? Have to be a threat to yourself or others to get an appointment. Pro-bono? No one does it, period. End of story on that.

So, you have the answers- please, by all means, provide them.

(Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response: Kill yourself. Oddly, I've had over 30 people on the right suggest I suicide, yet I've not only NEVER received such a vile comment from someone on the left- I've also received sympathy, understanding and support- as HUMAN BEINGS should act. Kind of clearly shows which side of the aisle holds the vilest portion of our society.)

You people SERIOUSLY think it's acceptable to tell me I should die at 37 when I could live to 90, even when I could get back to being a productive member of society- like when I was working: 8 years straight, 7 days a week, 12-24 hours a day. Oh, shoot- there goes the whole "unemployed people are lazy" stereotype! Darn it.

Some of the things I hear from the right make me shake my head- how can you look in the mirror and gladly assign people to die so that someone can make $4mil a year instead of $2mil a year? My god! How could they survive on $2mil a year? The horror!

Wisdom| 7.28.09 @ 6:40PM

I am absolutely shocked there are people who are my countrymen who are so misled- so brainwashed, and so uninformed as the majority who've posted here.

Fine, you've whined loud enough- you've spread your lies and falsehoods about Obama's health plan. Let's say you get your way, and we remain status quo as the 37th place health care in the world.

What is the current plan for a person with a Mensa level IQ and college degree to get quality physical and mental health care, at no cost, because they have no income and no assets- BEFORE they are able to get work. I repeat- being able to work BEFORE is impossible due to the medical condition suffered.

The "right" says everything's peachy under our current system- how do I get quality care, huh? Community health? Only get to see a sub-par Nurse Practictioner, never a Doctor- and even if it were a Doctor, it'd be a lesser skilled one. Community Mental Health? Have to be a threat to yourself or others to get an appointment. Pro-bono? No one does it, period. End of story on that.

So, you have the answers- please, by all means, provide them.

(Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response: Kill yourself. Oddly, I've had over 30 people on the right suggest I suicide, yet I've not only NEVER received such a vile comment from someone on the left- I've also received sympathy, understanding and support- as HUMAN BEINGS should act. Kind of clearly shows which side of the aisle holds the vilest portion of our society.)

You people SERIOUSLY think it's acceptable to tell me I should die at 37 when I could live to 90, even when I could get back to being a productive member of society- like when I was working: 8 years straight, 7 days a week, 12-24 hours a day. Oh, shoot- there goes the whole "unemployed people are lazy" stereotype! Darn it.

Some of the things I hear from the right make me shake my head- how can you look in the mirror and gladly assign people to die so that someone can make $4mil a year instead of $2mil a year? My god! How could they survive on $2mil a year? The horror!

Jeffrey Lord| 7.28.09 @ 7:18PM

To four previous posters with different names and not much else...

"...we remain status quo as the 37th place health care in the world."

Please explain why people from other countries come here for medical care.

David Yarbrough| 7.28.09 @ 7:20PM

JP| 7.28.09 @ 4:44PM
Just think, the future will have many more Terri Shaivos! If you are 68 with a pile of lute (McMansions, 401ks, IRAs, properties) and a bad ticker, the Doc would be under extreme pressure to just let you die (It's all for the Children, isn't it?). Who knows, perhaps ObamaCare is all about the government getting your money sooner rather than later.

And no one questions the Obammunists when they want to increase the estate tax - ?

anjocarioca59| 7.28.09 @ 7:26PM

The only good thing about the Usurper Obama Health Care is to see those who voted for Obama die waiting for meds or the doctor's appointment. They would then, be suffering the consequences of their stupidity. The writing was on the wall and all pretended not to see.
It will take now people just grab this man and toss him out of the WH back into Nairobi, where he was born.

Dave| 7.28.09 @ 7:28PM

I am thinking that Michael jackson should have gone long before he did. Right now I will probably scream if I hear one more lunatic wailing about the loss of the Great Michael Jackson - the former black guy who no longer wanted to be black and in fact wasn't ! Please he was a child molestor and a freak and his biggest problem is the peopl he hired wouldn't tell him no - Michael you can't have that special sedative that should only be administered in a Hospital. Goodbye Michael - don't come back !

AS for the great Health Plan by the First Commie President of the US Barack OBAMA - stuff it ! Another Commie trick - along with our Commie Sec of State Comrade Hilary - spare me - I can't believe all those stupid people voted for this idiot !

Well all you idiot's who voted this guy into office - you will be sorry you did - you just don't know it yet !

Vikki Larsen| 7.28.09 @ 7:33PM

What comes next? Logan's Run. If you don't remember the movie, look it up...it's where we are headed. Hey, and Soylent Green is up there too.

ds80| 7.28.09 @ 7:48PM

cellofello: "let's have just a little intellectual honesty in this debate"

Okay, and I'll go first: Health and its care is not a right

Ergo:

(1) if I can pay for it, I can get it if that is how I want to spend my money
(2) taking my $ to pay for someone else's health care is theft

Dave| 7.28.09 @ 7:52PM

ds80 - no it's not theft- it is Communism/socialism whatever you want to call it - thats the agenda this Administration wants - and all you morons who voted this guy into office are going to pay for that !

ds80| 7.28.09 @ 7:55PM

Thanks, Mr. Lord. Two priceless articles in one week:

Who Will Tell Michael J. Fox He Needs to Die?

The Unbearable Whiteness of Being Maureen Dowd

JimE| 7.28.09 @ 8:07PM

It's time to start calling Obama and his minions exactly what they are; murderers! Obamacare is just the "final solution" presented with new improved graphics. Axelrod is Himmler.

Michael L. Hauschild| 7.28.09 @ 8:07PM

I just lost my father to the horror of Parkinson's. No sane person would wish that on anyone

FeralCat| 7.28.09 @ 8:25PM

Wisdom: I am absolutely shocked there are people who are my countrymen who are so misled- so brainwashed, and so uninformed as the majority who've posted here.

Fine, you've whined loud enough- you've spread your lies and falsehoods about Obama's health plan.

You have certainly not named yourself very well that is for sure. I don't think that even dissembler, deceiver, Herr Barack Obama knows what is in his "Health Care" plan. He said that without the "stimulus" we would have unemployment of 9% and now with his "stimulus" we have 9.5% and climbing. And now you want to put that turkey in charge of Health Care! Unbelievable! To him it is all about power grabbing and control. That's about it. To not see that you must truly be a sheeple and close the eyes of your mind and keep them shut by force.

FeralCat| 7.28.09 @ 8:31PM

"Wisdom": (Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response:

Where do you get this Warpublican? Your Dear Leader Barack Obama is escalating troop levels in Afghanistan by 60%. Have you never read your Warocrats comments on the runup to Iraq? Ever heard of Vietnam?

Feralcat| 7.28.09 @ 8:39PM

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"Wisdom": (Waiting for the traditional Warpublican response:

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

FeralCat| 7.28.09 @ 8:41PM

Humblest apologies for doubled up post.

Texas Dar| 7.28.09 @ 9:11PM

OK, PEOPLE, my point exacly. I put down links to the truth, and nobody will take the time to do thier home work.

Just "Bitch-Bitch-Bitch"..............nobody will stop and hear the truth. What good is bitching about whats going on, if no-body will seek the truth............?

Im so tired of trying to let people in on what the hell is realy going on in washington. IS ANY-BODY-GOT-THaRE-EAR's ON.............?

And who in hell is that sex guy....? ?? ??? ???? Why is nobody blocking his post. Every whAre I go, he is trying to sell sex.

I will agree with the guy that says what we got, aint cutting it........................! What they want to shove down our throughts is "Worsser" than what we got.

Michal Moors movie, and we re-watched it 2 more times, makes a lot of sence. 1/2 the SHIT We get on the internet, and from the media, is "A Bunch-of-Bull-Shit"............. Why would big pharma spend 1.4 million a day to shut him dowm..................................................OK, Im All Ear's Here.................????????????

I sold my tour bus to a guy in Calergy, Alberta, Canada, and im gona get the truth from his wife. NO More "Bull-Shit" from the 1.4 million $ a day to dis-credit him.

Please Stay Tuned. I will post her coment on how it realy is in Canada. If the "SEX" SOB, dont get in front of me.

This Is Real People. Its time to wake up yr ears, and seek the truth. "Guess-What" , Brian Williams on NBC knows all about this crap.

He is a member of the ................." CFR" ..............Guess what, all media knows what to say. They will have a place in the underground life, after 12-21-2012.

They will be the new "Grunts".............

When "They Nock@My Door", for the new "Swine-Flu-Shot" will be my last day. If thAre gona kill me, im taking as many down with me.

If yr not born-a-gain, now would be a GREAT TIME, to check it out. Yr gona need it. And very soon.

Would some-body get that sex-shit-head off from here.......................? & That other guy is "The Sheepl of Un-Informed", you've been warned. Wake Up, or burn in the FEMA Camps Furnace.

This is gona be the greast show on earth, and God is watching, and only gona save the "In-Formed".................................. Sheeple will burn in the "Fema-Camps"........! Out

REAGAN| 7.28.09 @ 10:15PM

OBAMA IS GOING TO MAKE ALL YOU WINGNUTTS CRY LIKE BITTY BABIES! I CANNOT WAIT!

WISHING DEATH ON SOMEONE BECAUSE THEY DON'T HAPPEN TO AGREE WITH YOU POLITICALLY IS RATHER PATHETIC.

I CAN'T WAIT FOR OBAMA TO MAKE YOU ALL SQUEAL LIKE LITTLE BITCHES.

PEACE OUT.

Obama Pwns Your Wingnut Ass| 7.28.09 @ 10:38PM

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Texas Dar| 7.28.09 @ 10:47PM

Boy, rEGAIN, is such a loser with his thoughts. I can only feel sorry till he watches the links I;ve posted. The "Un-Formed" are wellcom till they hear the truth.

Thats whAre it ends, and they'll need to burn in hell........................!

I only feel sorry for the non-informed, till we show them the truth. After that, I hope they feel the pain of fire till they go out.

You Cant Save Every-Body............ ?

The "Sheeple Cometh Out" & Follow-2-Slather, God Help Them..........................

Texas Dar| 7.28.09 @ 10:55PM

Obama Pwns Your Wingnut Ass "How Dare You" MF'er................ You are so un-un-inmormed to real life. Yr right thoe. But yr little pea-brain mind dont get, with out our meds, were "Dead".................Stupid-Shit-Ass................. One thing I like about this blog is that it beings the most "Stupied-Shit-Heads-Out" from under thAre rock.....................!

Ben, get that stupid sex shit off of yr site, er im going home. Please.

Cow Rie| 7.28.09 @ 11:22PM

Mr. Lord,

A truly silly column. Everyone knows that none of these people will be told to move on, check out, or DIE. They are the uber Elite, part of the future ruling class. They will be able to buy their care through political patronage to the Obama-Pelosi Democrat Commisars.

The rest of you? Shut up and go drink your hemlock cocktail - you peons.

Cow Rie
looking forward to the
dreams of the Obama World

Angel| 7.28.09 @ 11:59PM

Another superb piece of writing, Mr. Lord. Thank you, Sir.

Siuwah| 7.29.09 @ 3:17AM

We are all naive, when the government gets so much power, Michael Fox is their buddy, he will get the same treatment as POTUS. Who gets what is decided by the Big Brother!

cellofello| 7.29.09 @ 3:23AM

@Thom

Where is it proposed that there will be "one big collective" and nothing else? Can you point me to anything in any plan currently under consideration - whether from Obama or from anyone in Congress - that has this provision?

Here is what Peter Singer himself said in his NYT piece on the QALY:

"Rationing public health care limits free choice if private health insurance is prohibited. But many countries combine free national health insurance with optional private insurance. Australia, where I’ve spent most of my life and raised a family, is one. The U.S. could do something similar."

If Obama isn't calling for a ban on private health insurance and self-paid treatment (or policies which will kill them in practice even if theoretically legal), then this whole argument about rationing is a strawman argument. That reflects either intellectual incompetence or intellectual dishonesty, take your pick. If you can document how Obamacare will either de jure or de facto eliminate our ability to purchase with our own money treatments Obamacare doesn't cover, or supplemental insurance that will cover those treatments, please enlighten me.

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JEFFERSONION| 7.29.09 @ 3:47AM

YOU HAVE A RIGHT TO FREEDOM, NOT SECURITY.

FUCK SOCIALISM.

Nobama| 7.29.09 @ 7:20AM

Private Insurance companies can't compete with the deep pockets of government. Eventually, private companies will cease to exist. Not hard to understand, really. You remain ignorant at your own peril.

HMichaelH| 7.29.09 @ 8:33AM

This is another documentation of a very serious negative associated with Obama's Health Care Program. What leaves me totally confused is, how can the people who support these bills do so knowing how absolutely Unamerican they are? Don't they have families who are going to be devastated by this mess once it gets in full operation? Can they not understand what is written in them? Do they have old parents? Not-so-healthy children? Illnesses of their own? Siblings who suffer from chronic illnesses? Friends who are handicapped in one way or another?

Do they not understand the consequences, intended or unintended, with which these devastating health care proposals are going to infest us?

I just don't get how they can do this! It makes logic and reason something that apparently is beyond their grasp.

This is way beyond a serious threat to our National Identity and way of life. This Administration is destroying our Nation.

cellofello| 7.29.09 @ 8:58AM

@nobama

You seem to be saying that because the government plan is cheaper (due to subsidies) few people will buy a more expensive plan and therefore they will all leave the market. There are cheap cars out there, yet they haven't killed off Lexus and Mercedes, have they?

For a supposed conservative, you really don't seem to understand the free market. If the government plan isn't meeting a consumer need (e.g., by refusing to pay for certain treatments that people might want), why won't enterprising capitalists offer supplemental insurance plans to cover _only_ things the government plan deems too expensive to treat?

Speaking of ignorant, you seem unaware that right now we have a real-world example of what I'm talking about. Have you ever heard of what is often called "Medigap" insurance? Medicare is health insurance for seniors. By your logic, seniors should not be able to get any kind of private supplemental health coverage - nobody could compete with the government plan. Yet they can and do - Medicare did NOT kill off private insurance for seniors. Those who want more coverage than the government plan provides can find it in the free market if they can afford it and are willing to pay for it.

So explain to me why this same kind of thing cannot exist under Obamacare? For a supposed conservative, I find your lack of faith in the free market disturbing.

RayC55| 7.29.09 @ 9:02AM

As for Professor Singer, he also believes in bestiality; he will not eat clams because he's not sure if it causes them pain. Yet, he's willing to kill babies up to 28 days after birth! It's obvious his sense of judgment has warped, ergo, he's a prime candidate for QALY

Appleby| 7.29.09 @ 10:33AM

To the guy up above the Spam guy who said that Canada has taken a poll and we are happy with our healthcare system, (1) nobody asked me and I live here; and (2) 80% of Canadians live within 2 hours of the US border solely because we don't trust our health care system.

Come up here and spend a weekend in any hospital ER in the GTA and see for yourself.

And for those who believe that the USA has such a terrible system, speak to the Canadians whose lives have been saved because this country shares a border with a country who allows them to come across and use their private healthcare system. Ask those same Canadians if they would be so pleased with the Canadian system if America stopped letting Canadians in medical crises come across for treatment.

Jeffrey Lord| 7.29.09 @ 10:41AM

cellofello.....

You miss the point. The government gets to print its own money and thus can survive endlessly. Congress will always give it dollars. Private companies must make a profit. No profit, no business.

cellofello| 7.29.09 @ 11:21AM

@Jeffrey Lord

Perhaps you are responding to my earlier comment to Thom and did not see my reply to Nobama. Private companies already exist and make a profit selling supplemental Medigap insurance to cover what Medicare doesn't. I have great faith in the free market. Even if Congress subsidizes Obamacare to the point where no private company can make a profit providing the same services that Obamacare provides, your article leads me to believe that you and Michael J. Fox would be willing buyers of Obamagap insurance to cover what Obamacare doesn't think is worth providing on a QALY basis. It would be a natural niche for the Medigap insurers to expand into. Remember, if Congress is subsidizing Obamacare so that it's cheaper than what private insurers can afford to charge, you can take the money you save by switching to Obamacare and spend it on that Obamagap insurance.

You are quite right that the private insurers wouldn't be able to make a profit on what they currently sell, if Obamacare is priced below cost. But just as carmakers retooled to SUVs when that's where the market went, insurers can retool to provide this new type of supplemental health insurance. The Medigap insurance market serves as evidence of this.

Therefore I still think my original point stands. There are valid arguments to be made against a government-run health plan subsidized by tax dollars. But the idea that it will make it impossible for you to get insurance to cover at least some of the treatments that Obamacare calls too expensive for too little benefit isn't one of them, unless you can make a convincing case that Obamagap insurance is not as feasible as Medigap insurance. I'm willing to be educated on this point, but so far I haven't seen you or anyone else make the case - or indeed, even recognize that the case needs to be made.

jdc| 7.29.09 @ 11:31AM

MJ FOx is a Canadian citizen he is not an American despite his midwestern charm and looks. Before he shoots his mouth off about what Americans ought to do he needs to go back home and stand in line with the rest Canadians looking for medical care.

Bill| 7.29.09 @ 12:01PM

Robert Barker: Please don't subject us to that phony UN survey that ranks the US in 37th place for health care behind numerous 3rd World countries. A major factor in setting those rankings were the UN agency's determination of "how fair" the country's health care system was. All you need to do is ask yourself if you would rather be treated in Syria's health care system or in the US. That will put the lie to the UN rankings.

ONTIME| 7.29.09 @ 12:46PM

I find it rather ironic that the celeb crowd that MJF is a part of is dicovering that their POTUS larger than life hero is not the fun loving guy they want him to be but instead is a dour marxist with a rather dim view on their lifestyle, income and now wants to lump them in with the rest of the peasants he commands. Imagine one of those icons like the recently departed Mikey Jackson being discovered early on as being nothing more than a down hill junky and in the world of B.O. he isn't worth saving, so another soul is literally tossed under the bus, making space and elbow room for the elite (marxist) that are in charge. How quaint, how fitting and most ironic.

bruce| 7.29.09 @ 2:55PM

the entire democratic party is nothing more than a bunch of marxis traitors.why is the kenyon spending so much money to block any look at his birth certificate or school records?

Texas Dar| 7.29.09 @ 4:11PM

"The truth about Health Care in Canada"

This family bought my tour bus 4 years ago. They are very pleased with the care they get.

Michal Moor is right. Why would he spend his money if he dident believe were getting ripped off in the states.

Please share this with everyone you know !

Our family has had no issues with the health care in Canada. There is complaints in the news about long wait times and no hospital beds. We have not experienced this problem. It seems if you have a good family doctor to refer you to a specialist the wait time is really non existent. My Dad had a detached retina in his eye at the end of June. It happened on a Saturday about lunch time and he was in the hospital bed by 4:00 p.m. the surgery was done by 11:00 a.m. the next morning. He has had very positive results from the surgery and his eye sight is as good as before. I went to the doctor in June and needed a cyst removed off of my leg. My doctor was able to get me into a plastic surgeon within a month. The surgery will be done in October - I do not find this a long wait time considering it is not an emergency but, more a cosmetic procedure. I am not sure if you know our son Max has Asperger syndrome. This is highly functioning Autism. Maxwell is extremely smart but, needs some help with his social skills. When Max was 5 years old he had a grand maul seizure at preschool. I meet the ambulance at the Children's Hospital and we were immediately put in a room. Once his vital signs were fine we spent most the day waiting to see a doctor. We ended up seeing a 3rd year student who thought Max had been spinning around until he got dizzy and fell down and hit his head that induced the seizure. We left the hospital and on the way home I called my doctor's office who got us in the next day. She agreed with me that this was not in Maxwell's nature and there was something else going on. My doctor was able to get us in to see a pediatric neurologist within a week. Maxwell did have a seizure disorder that he was on medication for 5 years. Maxwell has grown out of this disorder and is now been seizure free for two years. Lots of kids with Autism also have seizure disorders. I think the wait times in Canada are dependent on the area of you live in. We have had a population boom in Calgary for many years and are up to a million people now. Please let me know if you have any more question.

Thanks,
Deanne :)

There, it dosent sound like the 6 mo. wait time like the WHO wants us to think, dose it........!

Not only is the time great, it cost them "Nothing-Too"

Texas Dar| 7.29.09 @ 4:19PM

OH, Sorry Ben. Got carryed away last night, but that guy pushed all my bottons and I said words I dont normaly use.

But the SEX-&-Shoe salesman is getting sickning. Hes on all of your posts.

Take him off and we have more room for the "Non-Believers"...................................!

Rod| 7.29.09 @ 4:42PM

Why don't we take off the gloves and call Obamacare what it really is: Nationalized Euthanasia. Scoff if you will; while it isn't as blatatantly frank as the Nazis extermination plan, it is only a different, more prolonged means to the same end. You can take a stand...right here, right now, for principle and conscience, or you can join the rest of those that are ok with rolling their grandmothers' wheel chair to the head of the line. To think that we are even having this conversation in America is further indication that this country has gone from the Greatest Generation to the Entitilement Generation in one lousy lifetime...and lost its freakin' mind in the process!!!!!

Jim Wilson| 7.29.09 @ 4:54PM

You'd think the baby boomer would be a little more uneasy about all the power they're handing to the next generations. The leading edge of Generation X is 42 years old, and before many decades pass we will hold nearly all of the senior positions in every bureaucracy--and we'll have a vast debt that amounts to slavery hanging over us, and the power to tell a stupid baby boomer that it's time to die. Did anybody think this through?

Nobama EVER| 7.29.09 @ 5:08PM

It ain't that tough to understand, cellofello--unless you're stupid or pretending to be same.

The government can undercut ANY private business in the US simply because it can tax and/or print money to reach its desired goal.

If it's not obvious to you by now, bonehead--I have a great deal of faith in the free market, because I love my fellow citizens, but I have NO faith in power-hungry Obamabots like you who are currently trying to destroy our country.

It's not a level playing field--and you know it. The democrats don't give a damn about health care--they only care about power and control because they are Marxist b@stards. Are you?

NOBAMA| 7.29.09 @ 5:11PM

Remain ignorant at you own peril, cello. It's not my job to educate you--you're a useless troll anyway. Buzz off.

Richard Baker| 7.29.09 @ 10:16PM

Bill:
If Barker thinks the US the most unhealthy place in the world, why doesn't he go to #1 on the UN list and live there? One can only hope.

Rubicon| 7.29.09 @ 10:39PM

Health care competition... pass a law allowing insurers to market in every state. Portability, pass a law allowing subscribers to move around w/ their current policy or any policy. Pre existing condition restrictions... pass a law forcing insurance companies to issue regardless of a patients condition.
Each & every issue we are told is a problem can be cured w/ minor legislation that cures the problem, yet cost taxpayers... nothing.
We do not need 53 "NEW" departments, agencies, &/or commissions (which is what the health care legislation calls for folks), to do the job of fixing these so-called problems.
We do not need the thousands of new federal bureaucrats to run these oppressive agencies designed to issue death verdicts to those of us who are not 'connected' to the elite. In the end, we average Americans especially Republicans, conservatives, believers in the 2nd Amendment or Constitution, believers in limited government or low taxes or (God forbid) "states rights", will face extinction when leftist federal bureaucrats who will issue edicts limiting or denying health care or medications, to any who "do not qualify."
"Do not qualify!" What interesting terminology!
Is anyone afraid of those who will be endowed w/ the legal ability to determine whether or not any of the rest of us, will receive or qualify to receive any type of medical care? If you are not, you should be.
First they came for the Poles, & I said nothing. Then they came for the Gays, & I said nothing.
Then they came for.......
Then they came for ......
Then they came for......
Then they came for me & there was no one left to speak up for me, because they were all dead!
Americans fear a federal bureaucracy because bureaucrats believe the 'state' has the power over human beings. They think we belong to the government & do not believe the government belongs to the people.
No public option (or more accurately, no government run system) BTW, Medicare may or may not be govt. run & great, but it is also going broke w/in the next ten years!
Government run does not equal competition since govt run is subsidized by taxpayers so initially, the govt run system will be cheaper.
Initially that is!!!!

egw| 7.29.09 @ 10:42PM

I hope Michael J. Fox knows Obama is not his friend or any Americans friend. I know he is from Canada but he knows he cannot get help there & if Obama gets his way he won't be able to get help here. I was not aware that Obama had himself & administration along with Congress & the Senate exempt from this government run health care. How did you find out about this?

NOBAMA| 7.29.09 @ 11:43PM

egw--it's common knowledge that the president and congress have their own gold star health insurance. It's the best in the country. Did you really think these arrogant elitists would put up with this crappy health care?

This abomination called ObamaCare is just for peasants like you and me.

Texas Dar| 7.30.09 @ 12:59AM

The goverment has the same Ins. group the new owners of my tour bus do in Alberta Canada.

They WONT Take our plan that they give onto us becouse its free for them, and people living in Canada.

Why would they......................... Come-On Sheeple, its time to wake up.

The Obama-Peanut-Monkey-Vender, is wanting us to take his bag of Oh-Bama-Peanuts

Wake-Up-Sheepel, before its to late to "Wake-Up".....? If we dont wake up soon, "And I Mean Soon"................we'll have nothing to wake up too.............................?

The "Bomma-Peanut-Monkey" will gladly help the old, and Premies die, so healthy kids can turn in thier parents for wanting a life. ?

Here is how it works in Canada, and the health care they get.....!

Our family has had no issues with the health care in Canada. There is complaints in the news about long wait times and no hospital beds. We have not experienced this problem. It seems if you have a good family doctor to refer you to a specialist the wait time is really non existent. My Dad had a detached retina in his eye at the end of June. It happened on a Saturday about lunch time and he was in the hospital bed by 4:00 p.m. the surgery was done by 11:00 a.m. the next morning. He has had very positive results from the surgery and his eye sight is as good as before. I went to the doctor in June and needed a cyst removed off of my leg. My doctor was able to get me into a plastic surgeon within a month. The surgery will be done in October - I do not find this a long wait time considering it is not an emergency but, more a cosmetic procedure. I am not sure if you know our son Max has Asperger syndrome. This is highly functioning Autism. Maxwell is extremely smart but, needs some help with his social skills. When Max was 5 years old he had a grand maul seizure at preschool. I meet the ambulance at the Children's Hospital and we were immediately put in a room. Once his vital signs were fine we spent most the day waiting to see a doctor. We ended up seeing a 3rd year student who thought Max had been spinning around until he got dizzy and fell down and hit his head that induced the seizure. We left the hospital and on the way home I called my doctor's office who got us in the next day. She agreed with me that this was not in Maxwell's nature and there was something else going on. My doctor was able to get us in to see a pediatric neurologist within a week. Maxwell did have a seizure disorder that he was on medication for 5 years. Maxwell has grown out of this disorder and is now been seizure free for two years. Lots of kids with Autism also have seizure disorders. I think the wait times in Canada are dependent on the area of you live in. We have had a population boom in Calgary for many years and are up to a million people now. Please let me know if you have any more question.

Thanks,
Deanne :)

goddinpotty| 7.30.09 @ 1:16AM

Jesus. What a lot of uninformed douchebags. No wonder your party has shrunked down to a tiny nub of shrieking idiots.

alex| 7.30.09 @ 2:55AM

they can't afford heat in the winter, or watching tennis, golf or baseball while fanning themselves trying to stay cool because they can't afford the higher electric rates to turn their air conditioner on will mean once Health Care Reform and Cap And Tax pass,
TAG HEUER REPLCIA WATCHES

Steve| 7.30.09 @ 9:31AM

I have no idea who is telling you guys about the Canadian health system but it working fine... somebody down there is trying to convince you it is in bad shape but it is not... The only people complaining up here is the rich because they want there own system...

Another Luke| 7.30.09 @ 1:13PM

You people are crazy conspiracy theorists.

Yeah, sure, Obama healthcare is just WAITING TO KILL PEOPLE OMG! MICHAEL J FOX IS NEXT!

Do you have any idea how crazy you sound?

Don't you have a birth certificate to locate or something?

Nobama| 7.30.09 @ 2:27PM

The absolute stupidity of liberal trolls is breath taking: Low double digit IQ scores and the writing ability of the mentally handicapped abound.

Products of our wonderful Publik Skool Systim. Shudder.

Texas Dar| 7.30.09 @ 2:40PM

Sorry Another Luke, its people like you that get the madest when you find out whats realy going on.

When all along you had the chance to know, what day did you post this coment.......................

A very few of us get info from the inside of Washington. Reamber, not everyone is on the side of the goverment, much less the Boma-Guy.....

I know of 3 toads leaking out whats happening behind the "Wizzered of Bomma-Oz" !

Get to work, you got a lot of catching up to do.

JimmyMac| 7.30.09 @ 7:02PM

I think "cheaphandbags" put it best; but, since I live here in the land of celebrities, I'd be happy to pass along the message to Mr. Fox.

JimmyMac| 7.30.09 @ 7:11PM

DAve,

Christopher Reeves died in that awful remake of "Rear Window".

Texas Dar| 7.30.09 @ 8:17PM

Texas Dar| 7.30.09 @ 8:16PM
I have no way to put the link on here so you can hear it, BUT, my buddy Jim says it all..........Line 425.........and it is on the tape, I wish there was a way to get it to ya's. Tex

I've heard this but brushed it off as scare tactics from the conspirators, but if you read what I sent you listing a line account, line 425 does say you will be given counsel on assisted suicide. ( illegal in all but one state to date) I know that hundred of thousands have been spent to keep me alive. Was it worth it? I'm not too sure , but my children and grandchildren think so. Since I don't speak French, don't hold me to the correct spelling. But, Say la Ve . Or pray it doesn't pass. Jim

Please help us get this information into the hands of as many people as possible by forwarding it to your entire e-mail list of family and friends.

Senator Thompson on the Obama Health Care bill

If you want to know how the elderly would be treated under the Obama Health Care bill

July 25, 2009

Dear Henry,

Listen to former U.S. Senator Fred Thompson as he interviews someone who has read the Obama Health Care bill.

Click here to listen. (MP3 / M3U format)

Obama’s plan would deny medical care for the elderly. This interview is 8 minutes long. Please listen and then forward it to friends and family.

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American Family Association

Richard Baker| 7.30.09 @ 10:36PM

Steve:
I live in Florida and have yet to run into a Canadian who thinks Canada's health system is not a mess. I also get the message that America shouldn't go down that path. You may think it a wonderful system but too many of your countrymen disagree. That's why the US border clinics are full of Canadians.

mindy rodriguez| 7.30.09 @ 11:30PM

why is the silence from hollywood so deafening? not one movie star has had the decency to stand up and fight for the American seniors! where are all of you hollywood hot shots and could not keep your mouths shut when trying to put obama into office? this silence is the signal to all Americans that the movie industry wants seniors marched to their death just as the people hitler did not like were marched to theirs? guess what? most of wealth in this country belongs to the elderly and we are getting ready to cash in our CDs,IRAs, 401ks, savings accounts, stocks and bonds keep the cash in our families so the federal government cannot get it before out families...hot shots...the bills give the federal government to tap into all individual banking accounts and electronically remove any funds they wish to remove on a real/time pace!!!!! you might be wise to get some spine and fight for the American seniors!

Texas Dar| 7.31.09 @ 5:01PM

"Wizzered 0f Bomma-Ozz" Health-Care "Shits Gona Hit FanWhen..........................

You find out that if it pass'es Bomma-Bogger will have acsess to your money and ues it as seen fit to treat you.

Read it, It'll get yr blood presuere cranked up........................This has gotten way out of control.

I hope DC gets it when New York gets it in Sep. Hell with NY, just take all the suitcase Nukes to DC.......................!

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DCLXVI| 8.2.09 @ 12:53AM

Why not pass a law stating that, "...when the age of 30 (?) 40 (?) 25 (?) is reached, the person is no longer of use to society and must voluntarily be put to death to reduce the unnecessary strain on society..." ?
I, by the way, am 57 years old, and the above is intended with ALL the sarcasm I (and you, readers) can imagine.

If MJF has the money (which he evidently does) to pay for his own medication (s), let him alone to live his life. No-one is telling you idiots that with your particular weaknesses you are of no use to society. So, shut the hell up.

Richard Baker| 8.2.09 @ 11:35AM

DCLXVI:
If Fox wants to pay for his care, more power to him. His problem is that he does interviews for Government health care and other liberal schemes and doesn't take his medication to start the shaking and gather sympathy for these causes. That seems to be the source of peoples' disgust with him. Talk about a cynical display. As an actor, he knows what he's doing. I enjoyed him as the character Alex P. Keaton, regardless.

Foreigner| 8.2.09 @ 1:26PM

America: Too stupid to exist any longer.

Pack it up, folks. You're done.

Texas Dar| 8.3.09 @ 1:23PM

DCLXVI
Have you taken the time to look at my linke posted above...? Start at the top and work down. If everyone would we would be having a whole differant blog coments on every site. Tex !

Texas Dar| 8.4.09 @ 3:06PM

Texas Dar| 8.4.09 @ 3:05PM
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This should wake a few "Non-Believers" up in a hurry. The one hour melt-down............... Comming to your town very soon.

Laur| 8.4.09 @ 7:04PM

A couple of questions still needed answers here:

Question 1: Why couldn't private health insurance compete with a "public option"?

Answer - three things...

A: Firstly, all private insurance plans will have to conform to the government stipulated requirements for insurance plans within 5 years. Essentially, this means that one of the "competitors" (the government) has the advantage of dictating the product specifications for all of the other competitors. They will not be able to offer the insurance plans that the market wants (unless it just happens to be what the government has decided they are allowed to sell - astronomically unlikely). Therefore, they'll be toast in a few years.

B: It is the clear intention Obama and the others planning this health care "reform" that private insurers will be phased out. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk --There's a nice montage of him actually saying so, but there are many other sources for this information). There are many ways to do it. A (above) is one way, but there are faster ways that will be well within the bureaucratic power of a national health agency.

C: Most importantly - how can a government that is trying to control costs and provide access for the masses (who no longer have any personal financial incentive to be thrifty) allow private insurers to eat into scarce health care resources, causing longer wait times and higher costs for everyone? In other words, once the government is responsible for everyone's health care, all of the tools for providing care (doctors, drugs, hospital beds, nurses, MRI machines, etc.) will need to be controlled by the government.

Question 2: Why do we think it's so bad in Canada when a handful of Canadians who have never been seriously ill or received rationed care are very satisfied with it?

Answer - okay, I set up that question a little sarcastically. But seriously, I live near the Canadian border (Niagara) and happen to know that Canadian ambulances routinely bring patients across the bridge to our local ER because they don't have room at the Canadian ERs.

Laur| 8.4.09 @ 7:24PM

Actually, there's a part D for the first question's answer: He's going to tax private plans. Just another nail in the coffin I guess. Remember him mocking McCain when he proposed this? That was probably the last time I have agreed with something Obama said.

American| 8.12.09 @ 3:02PM

Richard Baker| 7.28.09 @ 4:27PM
American:
You do understand the meaning of satire, don't you? This article highlights absurdity by BEING absurd. No one wishes Fox to die. His case highlights the absurdity of the Kenyan's "Health Care" proposals. Are you related to Floyd R. Turbo?

Thank you but I am not ignorant, paronoid or feeble minded as Turbo. And yes I do understand satire. I was responding directly to the people who were posting that they thought he should die. I belive one even said he deserved to die but now I don't see that post anymore. Just because I voiced my opinion is no reason to put me down and make fun of me.

Deep Brain Diarist| 8.18.09 @ 9:33AM

Despicable lies. Gutter journalism. Utter trash. You are either incredibly stupid or unbelievably evil to intentionally misread policy statements like that. But what else can one expect from right wingers who are tied to the insurance industry. Shame on you.

Ray Schmerin| 8.24.09 @ 8:18PM

I am a single 53 soon to be 54 male from PA. I have been denied health insurance and life insurance about 3 times each because of a twisted arterie in my neck, right now I pay for MRI's and doctor visits out of my pocket, they also found calcium on 3 of my heart arteries, so whats gonna happen to me? I am a Army veteran, so I'm relying on the VA to take care of me should I need anything major. We need to get Obama out!! the senior citizens of this country should have a free ride period.... and the reason this whole mess is alive and well is because this land of the free wanted GOD out of it and this my friends is your result. The politicians of this country should get back to inviting GOD back into it, and ask him to forgive them and be a lamp to thier steps and be FOR THE PEOPLE, they forget, they are PUBLIC SERVANTS!!!!!!! and I don't like they they are serving me. So we should all vote him and everyone of the Godless out of office. The constitution says that we hold these TRUTHS, the Godless in washington don't even know what that means..........let me enlighten them, it means the TRUTHS OF THE BIBLE THE TRUTHS OF GOD ALMIGHTY............the founding fathers of this great nation were in PRAYER when they wrote it, and its what we all need to do as a nation to have GOD SHED HIS GRACE ON THEE AGAIN. May God the Father of my Lord Jesus Christ hear our prayers and guide us again and to Bless us once again to be the Country Declorated to be, God Bless all of you..........

Pearl| 10.6.09 @ 5:28PM

Your comment started out making sense -- as it was an argument FOR health care reform. Two-thirds of the country wants a public OPTION. It's BECAUSE you were denied insurance that we NEED reforms. HELLO! You aren't even listening to YOURSELF! It would be so simple to just say Medicare for everyone. Luckily you're not too far away from Medicare.. Actually if you die before you get it, then your ARE too far away. You should not have to DIE so insurance companies can profit from your suffering by turning away anyone who might actually need medical care. They denied you BECAUSE you have preexisting conditions. HELLO!!! Now take you Bible and go read it in peace and quit trying to involve me and everyone else in your relationship with God. And when you get a chance, review a little rag called the Constitution. Especially the parts about freedom of religion. I wouldn't deny you your crazy brand of religion. Please don't push it onto me.

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Sandra| 9.29.09 @ 1:47PM

Whoa! American ppl really are greedy idiots. Your country is not a rich country. What rich country lets millions and millions of their own ppl suffer in poverty and sickness when they have the money to support them? What about that guy without health insurance suffering from Parkinsons? Is he not worth as much as Michael J Fox?

You are about to hit rock bottom and you can't even see it. It was your greed that put the entire world in an economic coma. And I find it really funny that a country with so many christians is so against helping others in need. Isn't that what christianity is about? The hypocrisy is overwhelming. May God help you when life turns and you're in deep shit.

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