The right to die in our national parks -- who picks up the tab?
The other day a 20-year-old man from Salt Lake City named
Nicholas Mostert climbed over a railing on an observation
platform and hurled himself into the swift, deep waters of the
Yellowstone River in Yellowstone National Park. According to
witnesses, he disappeared beneath the water. Mostert was most
certainly swept to his death over the nearby 308-foot raging
precipice of Lower Yellowstone Falls. As of this writing his body
hasn't been recovered, though articles of his clothing have been.
It will eventually surface downstream in slower water.
Suicides in national parks are becoming an increasingly
noteworthy phenomenon. According to a recent story by the
Associated Press, in 2008 thirty-three people chose to end their
lives this way. These include a 53-year-old failed businessman
who shot himself in Glacier National Park in Montana; a
46-year-old cancer patient who canoed into Florida's Everglades
and disappeared; a 65-year-old biology professor who chose
Canyonlands in Utah to return his (according to his suicide note)
"body and soul to nature." These incidents have risen by more
than 100 percent in the last five years (2004--16; 2005--18;
2006--18; 2007--26). According to a story in the Arizona
Daily Star (Tucson), ten people have killed themselves at
Grand Canyon National Park since 2004 (three in 2008 alone).
Nicholas Mostert is Yellowstone's sixth suicide since 1997.
Without delving into the miserable lives of these poor souls,
these cases point to a desire on the part of the suicide to have
a last glimpse of life lived amidst magnificent natural
surroundings: in perfect solitude, with gorgeous views,
observable wildlife, and maybe trilling birdsong in the ears. So
let's assume that these are green-oriented folks. If this is
true, in a twisted way it's the ultimate statement in support of
the environment. And from the "right to die" point view, it seems
like a noble, romantic thing to do. Once asked about the rash of
suicides, Yellowstone spokesman Al Nash said: "Parks hold a
special place in people's hearts. There are some individuals who
feel it's important to have that kind of connection in those
final moments."
But the problem with Mr. Nash's conciliatory statement is that
liberals can't even kill themselves without costing the taxpayers
a lot of money. The National Park Service maintains an annual
Search and Rescue budget of approximately $3 million. In 2007, it
went over budget and spent $4.7 million. This is common now. Most
of these funds are devoted to rescuing lost hikers, backpackers,
stranded mountain climbers, and other many-times unprepared
people, and for dealing with medical emergencies and accidental
deaths. Some parks (such as Yosemite) have started charging an
extra visitors fee as a kind of insurance policy in case the
visitor needs to be rescued. And this seems to be the wave of the
future as the parks struggle to defer these huge costs.
Yellowstone's efforts to recover Nicholas Mostert's body have so
far required a number of rangers (who certainly have more
important things to do) to hike down into the Grand Canyon of the
Yellowstone below the falls to monitor certain points of the
river. Meanwhile, a National Park Service helicopter hovers
overhead scanning the river (I'm sure the helicopter's buzzing up
and down the river does a lot to enhance the wilderness
experience of Yellowstone visitors). Helicopter cost? $300 per
hour. The man who shot himself in Glacier last year caused 40
people from various agencies to be employed in the search and
recovery of his remains. When somebody jumps into Arizona's Grand
Canyon, it again might require a helicopter retrieval, or a
combination of a helicopter and rangers rappelling down a cliff
on ropes. Needless to say, thousands of dollars of taxpayer
largesse are required for the recovery of a single body. Multiply
that by 33 last year.
It can be argued that these unfortunate incidents occur regularly
on the public lands -- whether it be Forest Service land or
Bureau of Land Management property -- not just in the national
parks. After all, taking one's life in lonely, remote country in
the West (or anywhere else) is as old as the West itself. And it
can also be argued that the same Search and Rescue stratagems
apply anyway. Even a suicide or other death at home requires a
public response. But the idea of ending-it-all in a place that
will trigger an expensive coordinated search strikes me as
wasteful and as selfish as the act itself.
So there's nothing to say to Nicholas Mostert except, Rest in
Peace. And don't worry, we'll pick up the tab.
Thank you for the thought-provoking article, Mr. Croke. State
parks certainly aren't immune to this fatal attraction. I
remember watching the news on TV a while back when a news anchor
was reporting from the river above Niagara Falls. As he explained
something about the story he was covering, the TV audience heard
a spash and saw a man float by behind him -- a televised suicide
in (or near) a state park.
Well, I think it's reasonable to charge higher fees for park
entry to cover search-and-rescue missions. In centuries gone by,
people venturing into wilderness areas understood that there
could be real risk involved; during frontier days in my state,
for example, hunters often left Fort Boonesborough and other
outposts and simply never returned.
Today, we head for wilderness areas for fun, fully expecting to
return to our homes with nothing worse than a bit of sunburn or a
skeeter bite. I think that's worth a higher fee.
Ashlee| 6.29.09 @ 9:49AM
I recently visited the Grand Canyon for the first time, and I was
amazed that there are in fact very few railings or fences to
prevent someone from falling or jumping off the edge. Rational,
logical people without death wishes either maintain a healthy
distance from the edge of the canyon or proceed very carefully
when nearing it, and they may enjoy an unobstructed view. It is
entirely reasonable to have people contribute to the cost of
their search and rescue missions, but I found it incredibly
gratifying to know that there is still a place in this country
where the government permits people to be stupid and doesn't
regulate away the enjoyment of those with more common sense.
Toni| 6.29.09 @ 11:07AM
If the parks system charged the surviving family members with the
search and recovery expenses, one would hope the suicidal person
might think twice before incurring this kind of debt. But, as you
said, suicide is selfish...
Raoul Otega| 6.29.09 @ 12:16PM
If the parks system charged the surviving family members with
the search and recovery expenses
It's called "the estate". Everyone leaves one behind, and it
should be what pays for any S&R expenses. (Although in the
present climate, be on the lookout for exorbitant billing rates
to help close "funding gaps".)
Joe| 6.29.09 @ 12:45PM
I agree with Toni, charge the family or pick them up when you
can. I know that is maybe heartless but they are the ones causing
the trouble and they probably would not care if it took time to
pick up their remains.
PolishKnight| 6.29.09 @ 1:33PM
There's a third option nobody mentioned: Why not leave the
remains? It's a green/environmental solution that provides
nutrition for all kinds of scavenger animals. In addition, it's
also a fiscal conservative/liberatarian solution. Unless the
remains are an environmental/toxic hazard, why should the
government get involved? If the estate of the deceased desires,
let them pay to retrieve them. Win win!
I was thinking a similar thought back when John Kennedy Jr flew
his small plane in the ocean and then taxpayers footed the bill
to retrive it so that... his remains could be buried at sea! Does
that make ANY sense? It was jokingly referred to as "catch and
release."
Mazzuchelli| 6.29.09 @ 1:50PM
Same thing for those who require rescue from remote back country
locations. There will be a rescue but it will cost you!! As
another blog just wrote, "Stupidity should hurt."
Il Gecko| 6.29.09 @ 2:03PM
As a long time volunteer Search and Rescue K-9 handler, these
stories are not isolated. Fee for servicecomes to mind as a
solution, and hopefully the new transponders available will cut
the SAR missions way back. Maybe not. The ones who will actually
purchase one will probably never need it. Hard to prevent stupid
people from doing stupid things. I'm going to place one more
blame on the nanny state; if something goes wrong, the gov't will
save me. I'd like to do a survey of lost persons to find out if
they voted for Obama.
Support your local SAR Dog "GET LOST!"
Big Leo| 6.29.09 @ 3:30PM
Organ Pipe Cactus NM put out a pamphlet some years back called
"Surviving Your Visit to OPC NM." In it they mentioned some of
the myriad ways the desert will kill you. I do a lot of hiking in
the area, and have been a volunteer searcher for people too dim
to read the booklet. I recall a conversation with German tourists
(the worst, in my opinion-- look for my new book, "Close
Encounters of the German Kind,) where they badmouthed America for
about a half hour. In the end, I asked their names. They asked
why I wanted to know, and I told them, "If you get lost out
there, I want to know how hard to look."
Kitty| 6.29.09 @ 6:04PM
Big Leo, thanks for the laff!!
...
sarah| 6.29.09 @ 6:09PM
As living beings we inevitably cost huge amounts of money.
Taxpayers money included- no matter what we do. I'd rather my tax
money go to searching for the injured and those who chose to be
at peace in nature than to killing innocent people in other
countries. Or to a gazillion other pointless and hurtful places.
You should give some thought to people's personal lives before
you make harsh comments and accusations. Nick was a close friend
of mine, and I'm so glad that he found peace. We may not all be
costly "liberals" but we are all costly people. Have some heart.
Sarah.
Hayduke| 6.29.09 @ 6:36PM
You know...the immediate.."Yah, I'll support increased fee's
sentiment above irritates me"...I'd like to support the increased
fee suggestion at Yosemit, BUT do you all realize that less than
20-25% of your CURRENT park entry fee's actually stay in our
National Parks??? This increased Fee idea is so that Yosemite's
Superintendant can control the funds to actually do Search and
Rescue with them....believe me, as soon as Washington can take it
from him...THEY WILL!!!
Catch a clue folks, your Entry Fee's go to the big black hole in
Washington DC for the next Pork Project...or to grease the
printing press wheels that have had to double their speed in the
last 6 months for our new $10 trillion dollars in debt to add to
the old $10 trillion that took 50 years to accumulate. Although
suicide is very selfish on behalf of these individuals, they are
leaving this "protect me from womb to tomb - debtors in
possession" circumstances of the rest of us rat race tax paying
citizens...in some of the best scenery known to man. Wait until
you are paying your park entrance fee at Grand Canyon to China,
Yosemite to Japan, and at Zion to France or Germany...because NO
intelligent nation will continue to buy our worthless paper
T-bills...IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF NOW!!! Yes, it is all about the
MONEY...and OUR future....
PolishKnight| 6.29.09 @ 10:31PM
It's a classic liberal argument to say something like: "I'd
rather my tax money went for [pet cause X] rather than war."
Where's the flaw in that statement? It assumes that the money has
to be spent on SOMETHING! The notion that maybe it should just
stay in the hands of the people never occurs to them.
Sarah, I love to tell liberals that I would rather see money be
dumped into a hole in the ground, or spent on bombs, than given
to even the most worthy social causes that liberals will then use
to cram other agendas down my throat or violate my rights in the
name of building a perfect society.
If that means killing national healthcare, I'm ok with that. If
it means killing the electric car, I'm ok with that too.
Sotomayer and Ginsburg's "empathy" doesn't extend to white male
firefighters. So to hell with them!
Katie| 6.29.09 @ 11:58PM
It'd be nice to see a little bit of caring for people in these
situations. It is not the family's fault if a relative dies, so
why should they have to pay for it? Putting the expenses on the
family (on top of getting nothing from life insurance due to the
cause of death being suicide) is completely heartless, to say the
least. It costs enough to hold a funeral, not to mention the
emotional costs this puts families through. Paying to find the
body of a person once in a while is nothing compared to the tax
money put into causes much more ridiculous day after day. I would
like each one of you to consider what parents are already going
through when they lose a son to suicide.
I also think a much better argument for saving money on "search
and rescue" would be to shut down the Boy Scouts of America
camping trips. More boyscouts get lost per year than the amount
of people that commit suicide in national parks.
Richard Baker| 6.30.09 @ 7:11AM
I'm all for the Green alternative mentioned above. Let the
animals have their fill and natural forces will dispose of
everything else. What could be better for "Mother Gaia"? Oh, I
forgot. It would spoil the view.
JamesJ| 6.30.09 @ 8:26AM
Weren't senior citizens "treated" to a video of nature scenes
before they were turned into Soylent Green?
John Navratil| 6.30.09 @ 9:51AM
I did not know Nicholas Mostert, but as a fellow human I mourn
his loss. Of course he could have chosen a means which was less
burdensome to the tax payer, but I don't suspect he was thinking
about who would actually search for him.
Why do we search? What actually separates us from wild animals?
Why does the IDF swap live terrorists for a dead soldier?
It is a reverence for life and a respect for a life lost which
motivates it. In an ideal world, Mr. Mostert would have died
peacefully in the company of loved ones and, only incidentally,
at lesser expense.
It is more than a little unseemly that we treat Mr. Mosterts
remains as just so much meat to be removed to the land fill. It
cheapens our common humanity. May a merciful God grant him the
peace he did not have here on earth.
PolishKnight| 6.30.09 @ 10:13AM
Richard, I hate to sound ghoulish but it wouldn't spoil the view.
If the remains are in such an inaccessable place that a search
party needs to go hunt for them, they're unlikely to be seen at
all.
Scavengers in national parks are efficient and will consume a
corpse in a matter of weeks. It's kind of ironic that wolves and
coyotes were recently reintroduced into the parks.
William| 6.30.09 @ 11:32AM
Bill: I was at Yellowstone on the day Mostert leapt over the
falls and assisted park rangers in looking for him, even though i
was there on vacation. The importance of finding a grizzly bear
suddenly felt not so important in the grand scheme of things.
While i appreciate your article, your comment that park rangers
"certainly have more important things to do [than look for
Mostert's body]" is about as insensitive as it gets. I understand
your frustration because it was a suicide, but what about the
innocent victims here-- his family and friends. I am sure it is
important for them, perhaps even necessary, to recover the body
to put closure on the tragedy of the loss. Let me come at this
another way...What if it was your child that jumped over the
falls? I am sure you would then think it pretty important that
the rangers do whatever necessary to recover the body. Let's show
some courtesy to those who think it is important in this case.
Richard Baker| 6.30.09 @ 4:29PM
James J: You are correct about Soylent Green and Edward G.
Robinson was shown doing just that while listening to classical
music.
PolishKnight: Not being ghoulish at all and you are very correct
about the remoteness.
David| 7.1.09 @ 3:40AM
Sarah, I am chocked that you didnt do enough to prevent Nick's
death. I am his friend as well but I cant imagine why did he do
it and leaving loved onces behind and hurt. You cant imagine how
hurt I am since then. We all make some bad choices in our
liftime, but ending your life has never been a solution. He was a
young man with a promissing future and surronded with great
people from all continents. A true believer of Eastern
culture-Taoism. Its a selfish action he did leaving a Mother,
Father, Sister and a brother hurt. We all will die anyway, so why
ending what will hapen? I hope that his remain be found so we can
have a place to share our respect and love. My heart goes to
loved onces
PolishKnight| 7.1.09 @ 2:05PM
I'm reminded of an IMAX film I saw about Mount Everest where
insane, egotistical climbers wanted to make a scale of Mt.
Everest (if I had several million, I'd relax and enjoy life but I
guess that a perspective of someone who earns money rather than
inherits it).
A team of rich guys scaled the mountain and one of them die and
another one loses most of his fingers and toes to frostbite. OK,
that's a choice they made I guess. What brings this example to
mind is that the body of the dead guy was left on the mountain.
It's frozen to the mountain and could easily remain there for
thousands of years. Yet, despite this eyesore, climbers continue
to walk by these horrific monuments on their own personal quest
to scale everest. They don't seem to have a problem with it.
Aunt Ruth| 7.1.09 @ 8:05PM
I'm Nicks Aunt. There were more than 15 of our family members
there when Nick dove into the waterfall. Almost everyone has
experienced trauma from it. PTSD is a condition we are very aware
of now. My 10 year old nephew saw the whole thing and could not
be consoled for hours. We all loved Nick so much. He was hurting
& many tried to help him in the days before his death. We all
tried to do and say what we could to reach out him as it was
evident he was suffering - we had no idea how much. David, it is
important not to blame Sarah. Its not her fault. There are so
many things Nick was going through that were not understood until
after we found the suicide note. He was tormented and irrational.
The helicopters? The search and rescue? They all seem so trivial
- even the money you all say it cost to look for his body - so
trivial in the light of losing my beautiful nephew. His body will
probably never be recovered they say. They did find his jeans in
the waterfall and for that I am glad there is some closure for my
brother, sister-in-law, niece and nephew. The memorial is this
Friday and because I was searching for his obit I found this
blog. Wow. People have no idea. If the search and rescue did
nothing that day, it would have been such a disrespect to all of
us. I am so glad that those who have gone before us have set in
place a structure of procedures to follow in the event of a
tragedy like this. At an unbelievably difficult time, those in
charge were like angels to my family members. Our family does not
expect a search to continue on in a ridiculous waste, but there
is an appreciation of their attempt. We know it was futile after
a time and have accepted that his body may never be recovered.
Please be kind. The pain of this death has been beyond what words
can describe. Please pray for us. Thank you.
David| 7.2.09 @ 5:44PM
Aunt Ruth, I am not really blaming Sarah for anything. I just
believe no one should be happy for the death of Nick. What matter
what were the issues he was dealing with. You don’t end your life
and leaving behind loved ones hurt. The suicide note might point
out some bad choices he might had made, but as a young man we all
make some bad choices in our lifetime. I wish I could afford
flying back in Salt Lake for his memorial. He leave loved ones
hurt. I understand how hard and difficult what you went through
that day seeing him ending his life by jumping into waterfall. My
heart goes to you all. I am in prayer for his soul
Susan| 7.2.09 @ 10:41PM
My condolences to you...I arrived at the lower falls within
minutes of your earth-shattering event. My prayers to you all...I
can never imagine the loss that you have experienced. God bless.
Samantha Borman| 7.3.09 @ 1:45PM
Hi, I would like to say that I am Truely Sorry to hear about the
big Tradgity of this loved one. I know that it's hard to deal
with. I lossed my boyfriend in 2007 to the same thing and I was
there when it happened. I will most definatly keep the hole
family in my Prayers and Thoughts. I wish the best for the
family.
I just hate to see this kind of pain in each and every human that
comes to see this wounderful park of Yellowstone National Park. I
am an employee of Yellowstone. Remember that my prayers are all
with you to the family that lost a close friend, brother, son,
newphew or grandson.
David| 7.5.09 @ 5:44AM
This issue must stays alive. Until Nick's remains be recovert.
What mater what the issue is, I believe that an induvidual should
not end his own life. Life is sacret and valuable just to end it.
And also doing so it is an act of selfishness, arrogance and
careless. Because you will be gone and people leaved behind will
be hurt, suffer for ever. How could you pretend that you are
going to found peace? While people left are not in peace? No no
no, ending your life has never been a problem solver
John| 7.6.09 @ 8:58PM
Using someone's suicide to rant about liberals, classy.
Do us a favor and kill yourself Mr. Crooke, those of us with
empathy wouldn't mind picking up the tab at all.
John| 7.6.09 @ 8:59PM
Using someone's suicide to rant about liberals, classy.
Do us a favor and kill yourself Mr. Crooke. Those of us with
basic human empathy wouldn't mind picking up the tab.
GMY| 7.8.09 @ 12:45AM
I work for the National Park Service as a Ranger and have been
involved in some SAR events. While it may seem heartless to talk
about the cost of body recovery, it is necessary to count the
cost. People literally put their lives on the line looking for a
body whether it is off a mountainside or they are 250 feet or
more deep in a reservoir. People are focusing on Nicholas Mostert
and his jump at Yellowstone right now and that he just jumped
into the water. The statistics are terrible; he is not alone. And
it is true, those that take their lives by jumping into a canyon
or river or whatever don’t impact the environment that much, but
the ones who drive their vans over the edge do. There is a park
which has jokingly been referred to by some as Suicide National
Park because of a scenic drive area where more and more people
are just not turning at a scenic overlook and are driving over
the edge. Body recovery can help bring closure to some of the
families, no doubt, but it is expensive. Trying to repair the
damage from automotive fluids leaking into the ground or the
trees that were impacted by a vehicle on the way down is costly
too. The park service was established in 1916 by what is commonly
referred to as the Organic Act and it states “The service thus
established ... which purpose is to conserve the scenery and the
natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to
provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such
means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future
generations.” That is a tough enough assignment without the added
burden of people selfishly, actively, and wantonly destroying
part of it. While some may think they are being romantic about it
with the birds, sky, wind, etc. around them, the truth is they
are destroying what they claim to love.
It is sad that people feel that the only way to escape their
problems is to die. Suicide is a selfish act that hurts others,
passes problems off to loved ones, and leaves a mess behind.
Please, if you think you want to kill yourself, call your family,
call a friend, call a church, or better yet, visit one or all of
the above. I’m sure they will do their best to help. If you claim
to love nature and the natural places that parks protect, please
do not come to a National Park to end your life. Come here to
renew your spirit and live!
David| 7.8.09 @ 5:21AM
GMY, I can agree with you more. There is always help with close
friends; family member loved ones around you. Stop giving bad
memories to our national parks, go there to seek help talk to the
nature about how you might feel hurt in anyway but not to end
your life there. You supposed to protect the place not walk
people away from. I even don’t know if I am going to feel anymore
to go visit a Yellowstone waterfalls knowing that my great
friend's remains still down there. Just imagine what's going to
be my emotion and feelings and hard would it be? How can I handle
it?
GMY, also I wish that our National parks be well equipped (maybe
fishmen who can jump after to save lives, if the case my friend
might still be alive) to prevent and save such tragedy.
Chris| 7.23.09 @ 9:30AM
GMY, it has been over a month since my friend jumped into the
Yellowstone waterfalls river. I would like to know if you believe
if there is a chance that his remains can or will be recovered?
Because it’s very devastating for us to know that Nick still does
not has a place call a last resting place. We his friends are
willing to set up a fund and raise money to pay in order to
recover his remains. Please anyone who can come up with some
information would be very helpful. We would like you to know that
we are respecting all of your views and opinions. But please
understand it is very hard while it happen to you or someone you
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KyMouse| 6.29.09 @ 8:36AM
Thank you for the thought-provoking article, Mr. Croke. State parks certainly aren't immune to this fatal attraction. I remember watching the news on TV a while back when a news anchor was reporting from the river above Niagara Falls. As he explained something about the story he was covering, the TV audience heard a spash and saw a man float by behind him -- a televised suicide in (or near) a state park.
Well, I think it's reasonable to charge higher fees for park entry to cover search-and-rescue missions. In centuries gone by, people venturing into wilderness areas understood that there could be real risk involved; during frontier days in my state, for example, hunters often left Fort Boonesborough and other outposts and simply never returned.
Today, we head for wilderness areas for fun, fully expecting to return to our homes with nothing worse than a bit of sunburn or a skeeter bite. I think that's worth a higher fee.
Ashlee| 6.29.09 @ 9:49AM
I recently visited the Grand Canyon for the first time, and I was amazed that there are in fact very few railings or fences to prevent someone from falling or jumping off the edge. Rational, logical people without death wishes either maintain a healthy distance from the edge of the canyon or proceed very carefully when nearing it, and they may enjoy an unobstructed view. It is entirely reasonable to have people contribute to the cost of their search and rescue missions, but I found it incredibly gratifying to know that there is still a place in this country where the government permits people to be stupid and doesn't regulate away the enjoyment of those with more common sense.
Toni| 6.29.09 @ 11:07AM
If the parks system charged the surviving family members with the search and recovery expenses, one would hope the suicidal person might think twice before incurring this kind of debt. But, as you said, suicide is selfish...
Raoul Otega| 6.29.09 @ 12:16PM
If the parks system charged the surviving family members with the search and recovery expenses
It's called "the estate". Everyone leaves one behind, and it should be what pays for any S&R expenses. (Although in the present climate, be on the lookout for exorbitant billing rates to help close "funding gaps".)
Joe| 6.29.09 @ 12:45PM
I agree with Toni, charge the family or pick them up when you can. I know that is maybe heartless but they are the ones causing the trouble and they probably would not care if it took time to pick up their remains.
PolishKnight| 6.29.09 @ 1:33PM
There's a third option nobody mentioned: Why not leave the remains? It's a green/environmental solution that provides nutrition for all kinds of scavenger animals. In addition, it's also a fiscal conservative/liberatarian solution. Unless the remains are an environmental/toxic hazard, why should the government get involved? If the estate of the deceased desires, let them pay to retrieve them. Win win!
I was thinking a similar thought back when John Kennedy Jr flew his small plane in the ocean and then taxpayers footed the bill to retrive it so that... his remains could be buried at sea! Does that make ANY sense? It was jokingly referred to as "catch and release."
Mazzuchelli| 6.29.09 @ 1:50PM
Same thing for those who require rescue from remote back country locations. There will be a rescue but it will cost you!! As another blog just wrote, "Stupidity should hurt."
Il Gecko| 6.29.09 @ 2:03PM
As a long time volunteer Search and Rescue K-9 handler, these stories are not isolated. Fee for servicecomes to mind as a solution, and hopefully the new transponders available will cut the SAR missions way back. Maybe not. The ones who will actually purchase one will probably never need it. Hard to prevent stupid people from doing stupid things. I'm going to place one more blame on the nanny state; if something goes wrong, the gov't will save me. I'd like to do a survey of lost persons to find out if they voted for Obama.
Support your local SAR Dog "GET LOST!"
Big Leo| 6.29.09 @ 3:30PM
Organ Pipe Cactus NM put out a pamphlet some years back called "Surviving Your Visit to OPC NM." In it they mentioned some of the myriad ways the desert will kill you. I do a lot of hiking in the area, and have been a volunteer searcher for people too dim to read the booklet. I recall a conversation with German tourists (the worst, in my opinion-- look for my new book, "Close Encounters of the German Kind,) where they badmouthed America for about a half hour. In the end, I asked their names. They asked why I wanted to know, and I told them, "If you get lost out there, I want to know how hard to look."
Kitty| 6.29.09 @ 6:04PM
Big Leo, thanks for the laff!!
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sarah| 6.29.09 @ 6:09PM
As living beings we inevitably cost huge amounts of money. Taxpayers money included- no matter what we do. I'd rather my tax money go to searching for the injured and those who chose to be at peace in nature than to killing innocent people in other countries. Or to a gazillion other pointless and hurtful places. You should give some thought to people's personal lives before you make harsh comments and accusations. Nick was a close friend of mine, and I'm so glad that he found peace. We may not all be costly "liberals" but we are all costly people. Have some heart.
Sarah.
Hayduke| 6.29.09 @ 6:36PM
You know...the immediate.."Yah, I'll support increased fee's sentiment above irritates me"...I'd like to support the increased fee suggestion at Yosemit, BUT do you all realize that less than 20-25% of your CURRENT park entry fee's actually stay in our National Parks??? This increased Fee idea is so that Yosemite's Superintendant can control the funds to actually do Search and Rescue with them....believe me, as soon as Washington can take it from him...THEY WILL!!!
Catch a clue folks, your Entry Fee's go to the big black hole in Washington DC for the next Pork Project...or to grease the printing press wheels that have had to double their speed in the last 6 months for our new $10 trillion dollars in debt to add to the old $10 trillion that took 50 years to accumulate. Although suicide is very selfish on behalf of these individuals, they are leaving this "protect me from womb to tomb - debtors in possession" circumstances of the rest of us rat race tax paying citizens...in some of the best scenery known to man. Wait until you are paying your park entrance fee at Grand Canyon to China, Yosemite to Japan, and at Zion to France or Germany...because NO intelligent nation will continue to buy our worthless paper T-bills...IT'S NOT TOO FAR OFF NOW!!! Yes, it is all about the MONEY...and OUR future....
PolishKnight| 6.29.09 @ 10:31PM
It's a classic liberal argument to say something like: "I'd rather my tax money went for [pet cause X] rather than war." Where's the flaw in that statement? It assumes that the money has to be spent on SOMETHING! The notion that maybe it should just stay in the hands of the people never occurs to them.
Sarah, I love to tell liberals that I would rather see money be dumped into a hole in the ground, or spent on bombs, than given to even the most worthy social causes that liberals will then use to cram other agendas down my throat or violate my rights in the name of building a perfect society.
If that means killing national healthcare, I'm ok with that. If it means killing the electric car, I'm ok with that too. Sotomayer and Ginsburg's "empathy" doesn't extend to white male firefighters. So to hell with them!
Katie| 6.29.09 @ 11:58PM
It'd be nice to see a little bit of caring for people in these situations. It is not the family's fault if a relative dies, so why should they have to pay for it? Putting the expenses on the family (on top of getting nothing from life insurance due to the cause of death being suicide) is completely heartless, to say the least. It costs enough to hold a funeral, not to mention the emotional costs this puts families through. Paying to find the body of a person once in a while is nothing compared to the tax money put into causes much more ridiculous day after day. I would like each one of you to consider what parents are already going through when they lose a son to suicide.
I also think a much better argument for saving money on "search and rescue" would be to shut down the Boy Scouts of America camping trips. More boyscouts get lost per year than the amount of people that commit suicide in national parks.
Richard Baker| 6.30.09 @ 7:11AM
I'm all for the Green alternative mentioned above. Let the animals have their fill and natural forces will dispose of everything else. What could be better for "Mother Gaia"? Oh, I forgot. It would spoil the view.
JamesJ| 6.30.09 @ 8:26AM
Weren't senior citizens "treated" to a video of nature scenes before they were turned into Soylent Green?
John Navratil| 6.30.09 @ 9:51AM
I did not know Nicholas Mostert, but as a fellow human I mourn his loss. Of course he could have chosen a means which was less burdensome to the tax payer, but I don't suspect he was thinking about who would actually search for him.
Why do we search? What actually separates us from wild animals? Why does the IDF swap live terrorists for a dead soldier?
It is a reverence for life and a respect for a life lost which motivates it. In an ideal world, Mr. Mostert would have died peacefully in the company of loved ones and, only incidentally, at lesser expense.
It is more than a little unseemly that we treat Mr. Mosterts remains as just so much meat to be removed to the land fill. It cheapens our common humanity. May a merciful God grant him the peace he did not have here on earth.
PolishKnight| 6.30.09 @ 10:13AM
Richard, I hate to sound ghoulish but it wouldn't spoil the view. If the remains are in such an inaccessable place that a search party needs to go hunt for them, they're unlikely to be seen at all.
Scavengers in national parks are efficient and will consume a corpse in a matter of weeks. It's kind of ironic that wolves and coyotes were recently reintroduced into the parks.
William| 6.30.09 @ 11:32AM
Bill: I was at Yellowstone on the day Mostert leapt over the falls and assisted park rangers in looking for him, even though i was there on vacation. The importance of finding a grizzly bear suddenly felt not so important in the grand scheme of things.
While i appreciate your article, your comment that park rangers "certainly have more important things to do [than look for Mostert's body]" is about as insensitive as it gets. I understand your frustration because it was a suicide, but what about the innocent victims here-- his family and friends. I am sure it is important for them, perhaps even necessary, to recover the body to put closure on the tragedy of the loss. Let me come at this another way...What if it was your child that jumped over the falls? I am sure you would then think it pretty important that the rangers do whatever necessary to recover the body. Let's show some courtesy to those who think it is important in this case.
Richard Baker| 6.30.09 @ 4:29PM
James J: You are correct about Soylent Green and Edward G. Robinson was shown doing just that while listening to classical music.
PolishKnight: Not being ghoulish at all and you are very correct about the remoteness.
David| 7.1.09 @ 3:40AM
Sarah, I am chocked that you didnt do enough to prevent Nick's death. I am his friend as well but I cant imagine why did he do it and leaving loved onces behind and hurt. You cant imagine how hurt I am since then. We all make some bad choices in our liftime, but ending your life has never been a solution. He was a young man with a promissing future and surronded with great people from all continents. A true believer of Eastern culture-Taoism. Its a selfish action he did leaving a Mother, Father, Sister and a brother hurt. We all will die anyway, so why ending what will hapen? I hope that his remain be found so we can have a place to share our respect and love. My heart goes to loved onces
PolishKnight| 7.1.09 @ 2:05PM
I'm reminded of an IMAX film I saw about Mount Everest where insane, egotistical climbers wanted to make a scale of Mt. Everest (if I had several million, I'd relax and enjoy life but I guess that a perspective of someone who earns money rather than inherits it).
A team of rich guys scaled the mountain and one of them die and another one loses most of his fingers and toes to frostbite. OK, that's a choice they made I guess. What brings this example to mind is that the body of the dead guy was left on the mountain. It's frozen to the mountain and could easily remain there for thousands of years. Yet, despite this eyesore, climbers continue to walk by these horrific monuments on their own personal quest to scale everest. They don't seem to have a problem with it.
Aunt Ruth| 7.1.09 @ 8:05PM
I'm Nicks Aunt. There were more than 15 of our family members there when Nick dove into the waterfall. Almost everyone has experienced trauma from it. PTSD is a condition we are very aware of now. My 10 year old nephew saw the whole thing and could not be consoled for hours. We all loved Nick so much. He was hurting & many tried to help him in the days before his death. We all tried to do and say what we could to reach out him as it was evident he was suffering - we had no idea how much. David, it is important not to blame Sarah. Its not her fault. There are so many things Nick was going through that were not understood until after we found the suicide note. He was tormented and irrational. The helicopters? The search and rescue? They all seem so trivial - even the money you all say it cost to look for his body - so trivial in the light of losing my beautiful nephew. His body will probably never be recovered they say. They did find his jeans in the waterfall and for that I am glad there is some closure for my brother, sister-in-law, niece and nephew. The memorial is this Friday and because I was searching for his obit I found this blog. Wow. People have no idea. If the search and rescue did nothing that day, it would have been such a disrespect to all of us. I am so glad that those who have gone before us have set in place a structure of procedures to follow in the event of a tragedy like this. At an unbelievably difficult time, those in charge were like angels to my family members. Our family does not expect a search to continue on in a ridiculous waste, but there is an appreciation of their attempt. We know it was futile after a time and have accepted that his body may never be recovered. Please be kind. The pain of this death has been beyond what words can describe. Please pray for us. Thank you.
David| 7.2.09 @ 5:44PM
Aunt Ruth, I am not really blaming Sarah for anything. I just believe no one should be happy for the death of Nick. What matter what were the issues he was dealing with. You don’t end your life and leaving behind loved ones hurt. The suicide note might point out some bad choices he might had made, but as a young man we all make some bad choices in our lifetime. I wish I could afford flying back in Salt Lake for his memorial. He leave loved ones hurt. I understand how hard and difficult what you went through that day seeing him ending his life by jumping into waterfall. My heart goes to you all. I am in prayer for his soul
Susan| 7.2.09 @ 10:41PM
My condolences to you...I arrived at the lower falls within minutes of your earth-shattering event. My prayers to you all...I can never imagine the loss that you have experienced. God bless.
Samantha Borman| 7.3.09 @ 1:45PM
Hi, I would like to say that I am Truely Sorry to hear about the big Tradgity of this loved one. I know that it's hard to deal with. I lossed my boyfriend in 2007 to the same thing and I was there when it happened. I will most definatly keep the hole family in my Prayers and Thoughts. I wish the best for the family.
I just hate to see this kind of pain in each and every human that comes to see this wounderful park of Yellowstone National Park. I am an employee of Yellowstone. Remember that my prayers are all with you to the family that lost a close friend, brother, son, newphew or grandson.
David| 7.5.09 @ 5:44AM
This issue must stays alive. Until Nick's remains be recovert. What mater what the issue is, I believe that an induvidual should not end his own life. Life is sacret and valuable just to end it. And also doing so it is an act of selfishness, arrogance and careless. Because you will be gone and people leaved behind will be hurt, suffer for ever. How could you pretend that you are going to found peace? While people left are not in peace? No no no, ending your life has never been a problem solver
John| 7.6.09 @ 8:58PM
Using someone's suicide to rant about liberals, classy.
Do us a favor and kill yourself Mr. Crooke, those of us with empathy wouldn't mind picking up the tab at all.
John| 7.6.09 @ 8:59PM
Using someone's suicide to rant about liberals, classy.
Do us a favor and kill yourself Mr. Crooke. Those of us with basic human empathy wouldn't mind picking up the tab.
GMY| 7.8.09 @ 12:45AM
I work for the National Park Service as a Ranger and have been involved in some SAR events. While it may seem heartless to talk about the cost of body recovery, it is necessary to count the cost. People literally put their lives on the line looking for a body whether it is off a mountainside or they are 250 feet or more deep in a reservoir. People are focusing on Nicholas Mostert and his jump at Yellowstone right now and that he just jumped into the water. The statistics are terrible; he is not alone. And it is true, those that take their lives by jumping into a canyon or river or whatever don’t impact the environment that much, but the ones who drive their vans over the edge do. There is a park which has jokingly been referred to by some as Suicide National Park because of a scenic drive area where more and more people are just not turning at a scenic overlook and are driving over the edge. Body recovery can help bring closure to some of the families, no doubt, but it is expensive. Trying to repair the damage from automotive fluids leaking into the ground or the trees that were impacted by a vehicle on the way down is costly too. The park service was established in 1916 by what is commonly referred to as the Organic Act and it states “The service thus established ... which purpose is to conserve the scenery and the natural and historic objects and the wild life therein and to provide for the enjoyment of the same in such manner and by such means as will leave them unimpaired for the enjoyment of future generations.” That is a tough enough assignment without the added burden of people selfishly, actively, and wantonly destroying part of it. While some may think they are being romantic about it with the birds, sky, wind, etc. around them, the truth is they are destroying what they claim to love.
It is sad that people feel that the only way to escape their problems is to die. Suicide is a selfish act that hurts others, passes problems off to loved ones, and leaves a mess behind. Please, if you think you want to kill yourself, call your family, call a friend, call a church, or better yet, visit one or all of the above. I’m sure they will do their best to help. If you claim to love nature and the natural places that parks protect, please do not come to a National Park to end your life. Come here to renew your spirit and live!
David| 7.8.09 @ 5:21AM
GMY, I can agree with you more. There is always help with close friends; family member loved ones around you. Stop giving bad memories to our national parks, go there to seek help talk to the nature about how you might feel hurt in anyway but not to end your life there. You supposed to protect the place not walk people away from. I even don’t know if I am going to feel anymore to go visit a Yellowstone waterfalls knowing that my great friend's remains still down there. Just imagine what's going to be my emotion and feelings and hard would it be? How can I handle it?
GMY, also I wish that our National parks be well equipped (maybe fishmen who can jump after to save lives, if the case my friend might still be alive) to prevent and save such tragedy.
Chris| 7.23.09 @ 9:30AM
GMY, it has been over a month since my friend jumped into the Yellowstone waterfalls river. I would like to know if you believe if there is a chance that his remains can or will be recovered? Because it’s very devastating for us to know that Nick still does not has a place call a last resting place. We his friends are willing to set up a fund and raise money to pay in order to recover his remains. Please anyone who can come up with some information would be very helpful. We would like you to know that we are respecting all of your views and opinions. But please understand it is very hard while it happen to you or someone you were closed to.
Thanks
Chris
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