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Occam's Tool| 11.12.11 @ 11:23PM

Thanks for noting that Paul is to THE LEFT of Obama on foreign policy. To the paul-Bots who will dispute this point---Kucinich is to the "Left" of Obama on foreign policy, and Paul votes in lockstep with Kucinich on Foreign Policy measures---don't take my word for it, go to THOMAS and check the votes.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 12:04AM

Dr.Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Advisor Michael Scheuer, Former CIA Chief of The bin Laden Unit.

"4.) Speak to the American people and tell them to expect to be brutally propagandized by U.S. citizen Israel-Firsters through AIPAC, their ubiquitous media shills, and the men and women they own in the U.S. Congress and federal bureaucracy. Urge Americans to ignore this effort by U.S. Israel-Firsters to get them to send their soldier-children to fight in a religious war in which the U.S. has no genuine national interest at stake, and in which U.S. participation would further bankrupt the country, require the reintroduction of conscription, and put America at war with all of the Muslim world -- Shia and Sunni -- for the foreseeable future."

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James The Welder| 11.13.11 @ 11:36AM

Scheuer is a professor at a liberal university and formerly an analyst for the liberal mainstream media on CBS. He was head of the "Bin Laden Unit" at the CIA under Bill Clinton. By citing him as Paul's advisor you don't contradict the claim that Paul has leftist views on foreign policy, you show that Paul does have leftist views on foreign policy and you explain where those leftist views come from.

You and your friends will have a chance to vote for Paul when he runs as a third party candidate, which will serve no purpose other than to help get Obama elected again.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 12:07PM

Do Your Homework Israel Firster PropagandaBoy.

"Michael Scheuer, the former chief of the Central Intelligence Agency’s (CIA's) Osama bin Laden unit, told the U.K. Daily Telegraph in a recent interview he was prevented from capturing or killing the terrorist by his superiors on at least 10 separate occasions.

The 22-year CIA veteran-turned-whistle=blower resigned from the agency in 2004, disgusted by the government’s lies surrounding the terror war. And he’s been embarrassing the U.S. establishment ever since.
n 1995, Scheuer was selected to lead the spy agency’s bin Laden efforts. By then the militant Islamist was exiled in Sudan after angering Saudi authorities. Bin Laden was running several businesses in the African nation that Scheuer suggested disrupting. “We formulated operations and submitted them for approval but they would not approve any of them,” the ex-CIA official told the Daily Telegraph. “If we had been able to deal a serious economic blow it could have been a show-stopper.”
Scheuer told the Telegraph that following the missed opportunities to kill or capture bin Laden in 1998, there were at least eight other chances to get the terror mastermind. By that point, bin Laden was supposedly among the U.S. government’s most wanted criminals. But for some unknown reason, senior officials refused to authorize his capture or assassination.

“One 50-cent round could have put us all out of our agony,” Scheuer explained. But that didn’t happen, as high-level authorities consistently ordered the CIA unit not to stop bin Laden."

Michael Scheuer teaches a graduate-level course on Al-Qaeda at Georgetown University.

I can name at least 25 Generals & Admirals,Who Graduated From Georgetown University.

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Margie| 11.13.11 @ 2:55PM

Troll Clint: Thy name is Propaganda Boy.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 5:03PM

Coming from someone who was afraid of Saddam on information passed from an Iranian agent?

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 6:46PM

Make that Propaganda Popey Boy.

Clint, why didn't you repost the words of your cult leader the Pope in the other thread~ ya know, the words where he justifies his hatred of the Jews like you do with his Supersessionism doctrine?

What's a matter, cat got your tongue, tough guy?

Papist Dan| 11.13.11 @ 8:01PM

BIGOR ALERT!!!!BIGOT ALERT!!!!!!

The Bigot Margie, Mullah of her cult, is posting her usual anti Catholic bigotry. She believes Jews have a false religion so she tries to deflect it.
She was in exile or banned for a week, and she now crawls from under her rock.
How long before you get banned again?

Red Phillips| 11.13.11 @ 8:29PM

"Papist Dan," every proper Christian thinks Jews have a false religion. This is virtually by definition since Jews reject Jesus as the Messiah. Margie and I disagree on many things, but are you suggesting that all "exclusivist" Christians are bigots? A Christian has to be an "inclusivist" to not be a bigot by your reckoning? My, how PC of you.

Papist Dan| 11.13.11 @ 10:09PM

Red, I disagree. A true Christian would not believe that Jews have a false religion. You believe yours is true, Jews believe theirs is true. Who are you to judge?

Margei| 11.13.11 @ 10:21PM

"Who are you to judge?"
Idiot.
Ask yourself that question, eh?
Then buzz off, Troll.

FYI dimwit, the Word of God is the Judge.
Read the Bible for once in your life, then get a clue, Papist liar.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 8:21AM

Bigot Margie,
Judging what is a false religion is much different than recognizing a bigot like you. I don't judge what a person believes, as I told you I don't care about your made up cult that doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus. Your bigotry is obvious and you flaunt it every day .
Got that dim bulb Margie? You are not only a bigot but a stupid one.
You should read the entire Bible, especially about the divinity of Jesus.
Time to crawl back under that rock, Mullah.

Red Phillips| 11.13.11 @ 11:13PM

"Papist Dan," Christians believe, by definition, that Jesus is the Messiah. Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah. Both can not simultaneously be true. If Christianity is true, which is what Christians believe (go figure), then Judaism is false. This must be so. The law of non-contradiction demands it.

You are no Papist either. As much as I disagree with Catholicism on some issues, Catholics clearly affirm the truth of Christianity and hence the error of Judaism (post Messiah of course).

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 12:53AM

"Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah."
Way to generalize.
Some Jews have rejected Christ, and some receive Him.
It is the same for non-Jews as well. Some have rejected Christ, and some receive Him.

There is no, "The Jews have rejected Christ, therefore, the Catholic Church has replaced Israel."
THAT is a false and unbiblical teaching of some of the early so-called church fathers. Look it up.
And it is believed by the current Pope, according to his own writings.

The Scripture says that because of the unbelief of the Jews, we were grafted into the olive tree, into Christ, into God. But it also warns us not to be proud because of this, but to stand in awe at God's Grace, because if it weren't for their unbelief we would have had NO chance of Salvation.

The Scripture then goes on to say in Romans 11, that since we were grafted in, they can be grafted in AGAIN.
That the gifts and the call of God are IRREVOCABLE and that ALL ISRAEL WILL BE SAVED.
NOW: One either believes the Scripture~ or the Pope.
Who is telling the truth? One is a liar and one is telling the truth.

And a Papist is one who REJECTS the SCRIPTURE and instead, to their own detriment, believes the Pope.

READ THE BIBLE: It contains the Words of God.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 1:17AM

Jesus came to FULFILL not REPLACE.

"Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.
For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished.
Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven." Mt. 5:17-20.

Israel is not null & void, the Jewish people are not exempt from the offer of Salvation through Christ no more than anyone else is.

NO church, and especially not the Catholic church replaces Israel.

Christians are spiritual Jews because of our belief and faith in Christ now, it is why we love them, and there is nothing more wonderful than when a Jew comes to the knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ, fulfilling their true calling!

There are no excuses for hating a Jewish person, no excuse for casting them out.
What ought to be cast out is the false teaching that teaches one to do this. It's called Supersessionism aka Replacement Theology.
It's the same belief that the anti-semites here use to castigate Bible believing Christians as "Zionists" with.

And Red,
Judaism isn't FALSE, as the Old Testament is not NULL & VOID.
Who discards the Old Testament? Replacement Theology does, but you see what Jesus Himself says, above, do you not?
Just how do you reconcile?

Red Phillips| 11.14.11 @ 3:16PM

Margie, you are conflating things. Sure there are ethnic Jews who have accepted Christ and become Christians, but that is not the point that I was arguing with Papist Dan.

Papist Dan suggested you were a bigot for thinking the Jewish religion to be false. My point is that if thinking another religion whether Judaism or otherwise to be false makes one a bigot then all proper Christians are bigots. To believe Christianity to be true requires by the law of non-contradiction believing that other religions are false.

I think sincere Bible-believing Christians disagree on the issue of dispensationalism vs. replacement theology and not realizing that there is legitimate disagreement here is uncharitable. But that is not what I am arguing about here.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 4:14PM

Red,
I did not say Margie is a bigot because she believes Jews have a false religion. She is a bigot because 1.)she believes all religions except her made up cult of one are false,2) she berates everyone who disagres with her as a liar, punk, etc, 3.) She does not believe in the divinity of Jesus yet pretends she is a Christian to criticize all others, 4) she is intolerant, narrow minded, 5) She is the source of all truth. 6) she is ignorant of history and theology,but pretends to lecture us on the truth.

There are numerous other reasons if you just read her comments

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 7:49PM

Good Lord you never stop with the lies.
I pity you, kiddo.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 8:08PM

Red,

I know that's what you were saying. The Troll here isn't a Christian, but a Catholic, so he she or it thinks I'm a Bigot because I reject his Religion. He she or it is disingenuous, not only that but a blatant liar, as I have been posting here for almost 3 years and it's pretty clear in Whom I believe, according to the Scriptures.

The Papists (those who listen the the Pope over and above the Word of God) must try and paint me as something that I'm not, in order to shut me up.

The Papist accuses me of belonging to a cult, yet Catholicism is one of the biggest cults in existence today.
The Papist accuses me of not believing in the Divinity of Christ, when I believe all that is written in the Scriptures.
The Papist doesn't believe in the Scriptures, but in a Pope.

Why is it that they believe in the infallibility of the Pope, but not in the inerrancy of the Bible?
Heh. They see fit to worship a lie.

If one believes against the Scriptures, they are not Christian.
You cannot believe, and actually openly say with your mouth, that ANY church replaces Israel.

The Bible says that we are spiritual Jews if we belong to Christ, yes. And it says that the New Jerusalem will come down from Heaven from God, yes.
But it also says that the gifts and the call of God are irrevocable, and that all Israel wll be saved. (Romans 11).

just to clarify where I stand, according to the Scriptures.
Trolls be damned.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 8:26PM

Bigot Margie,
I thought I was clear, You again refuse to say you believe in the divinity of Jesus, that Jesus is God. Why?
You are a master of evasion and lies.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 8:25AM

Red,
Christians believe in the divinity of Jesus, that Jesus is God. Margie doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus, yet she lectures on what is true Christianity and insults every other religion when she is not even a Christian, and calls everone who disagrees a punk, liar, burn in hell, etc. That is bigotry and stupidity.

Red Phillips| 11.14.11 @ 2:57PM

Margie doesn't believe in the divinity of Jesus? Is she a Jehovah's Witness?

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 5:20PM

Red,
She has been asked repeatedly by numerous bloggers here, and she always refuses to answer, she cuts and pastes some Bible verses, but she will not say Jesus is God. That is why I said she made up her own cult.
You can ask her and evaluate her reply.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 7:53PM

Red,
This Troll is a stalker type and a liar.
I've answered him numerous times. You know I believe in the Divinity of Christ!
What I don't believe in is Catholicism, as he (or she) does.)
And THAT'S this liar's real issue.
I dare to oppose it's false teachings, dare to post Scripture exposing it, and most of all DARE to post Scripture as to EXACTLY what I believe.

If this lying Troll were a Christian, they would be in agreement with the Divinity of Christ, according to the Scriptures.
This lying Troll does not believe the Scriptures! he she or it believes that the Pope is Christ on Earth.
Thus the constant hounding of a Papist present day Inquisitor!
LOL.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 8:29PM

Bigot Margie, what is the divinity of christ according to the scriptures? Do you believe Jesus is God? Stop with the evasion, lies, and deflecting about the pope.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 10:52PM

Anyone who rejects Catholicism is a Bigot to these cultists.
They believe in a man and not Christ.
The Jews believe in God, they believe the Words of God in the Old Testament, but they are unenlightened. They are exactly like the Catholics or the Mormons in this regard.
They believe in God, and in the case of Catholics and Mormons, say they believe in Jesus, but are not enlightened by the Spirit of God, as in John 3:3.

In the case of Catholics, their cult teaches them to listen to the Pope, a false teacher, who teaches according to his own doctrine, and it isn't the gospel of Jesus Christ.

If it were, they wouldn't despise Bible believing Christians, and would reject Catholicism outright.

They aren't taught that one must be regenerated from above, as in Jn. 3:3, by His Spirit, but are taught that being saved is by baptism.

This is a huge lie, a despicable fallacy. Millions of Catholics have no idea that this is even unbiblical teaching, they just go along thinking that as long as they go to church and listen to the Pope, they're safe somehow.

Judaism at least doesn't have a "Pope" cult leader, they at least believe the Old Testament is God breathed, and speaks for itself, but they need to be enlightened as well by the Spirit of God, as in Jn. 3:3.

It's like what Paul said, they have "a zeal for the Lord, but it is unenlightened."

Jesus doesn't discriminate~ anyone who comes to Him can become a Christian, but becoming a Christian means believing in HIS GOSPEL, and rejecting all other false ones.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 7:05AM

Bigot Margie, or is it Margei,
As usual you are wrong. You must really hate your parents who tried to raise you as Catholic. You know nothing about the Catholic religion, only your pre conceived bigotry. You don't believe in the Bible because you don't believe in the divinity of Jesus. I have no problem with Jews or Protestants, only with close minded intolerant bigots like you who makes up her own little cult, of which she is the Mullah.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 9:47PM

Gee Lapsed Catholic Turned Ax Wielding Religious Fanatic Bigot,
" Various forms of supersessionism have been the mainstream Christian interpretation of the New Testament since the inception of all three main historical traditions within Christianity — Orthodox, Catholic and Protestant."

Now, Tell All The Practicing Jews & Muslims Where You Say They Go When They Die.

What's Da Matta, Hypocrisy Got Your Tongue, Crank Lady Margie ?

See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 1:22AM

Liar Clint:

I'm not a "lapsed Catholic" since there's nothing to lapse from. Catholicism is a false Religion, of which if one ever belongs to and leaves sets them free.

I only knew of it as a child because my parents made me conform.. when I became a young adult and was introduced to the true Gospel of Jesus Christ, according to the Bible, l became a CHRISTIAN, by the Grace of God.

Repent, and believe the true Gospel of God, beginning with Mk. 1:1.

Hell isn't a nice place.
It's where God throws liars for eternity.

Steve| 11.14.11 @ 11:46AM

Margie the village idiot,
So you hate your mommy and daddy.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 9:37PM

Maniac Margie: Thy Name Is American Spectator's Resident Religious Bigot.

See A Religious Counselor & A Psychiatrist.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 10:32PM

Supersessionism is NOT a doctrine held by genuine Christians.

The Scripture is the Judge, not you, not the stupid "Pope", nor any other two-bit lying filthy lowlife like you and your pals.

The Catholic church does NOT replace Israel, nor does ANY church replace Israel.

God's promises to Israel are not null and void.

The Pope is no authority over anyone, since he's a fraud, there is no such thing in the Scripture, ANYWHERE for such a thing as a Pope, nor is there any such thing in the Scripture as a "Vicar of Christ".

It's a huge LIE.

Repent and believe the TRUE Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Liars go to Hell, for eternity.

"Thus says the LORD, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar- the LORD of Hosts is His Name: If this fixed order were ever to cease from My presence, says the LORD, then also the offspring of Israel would cease to be a nation before Me forever. Thus says the LORD: If the Heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will reject all the offspring of Israel because of all they have done, says the LORD." (Jer. 31:35-37)

Read it and weep Replacement Theology Supersessionist anti-semites!

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 7:12AM

The Mad Mullah Margie is back. Why were you banned for a week?

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 7:54PM

I wasn't banned for a week. It wasn't even a day, fool.
Buzz off, imbecile.
Don't you get tired of lying every day?

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 8:18PM

And that was about a year ago.
Get a life, imbecile.

Papist Dan| 11.14.11 @ 8:30PM

Bigot Margie, why were you banned?

Margie| 11.15.11 @ 2:13PM

Write to Quin and ask him. You deserve no answer from me, scumbag.

loulou| 11.14.11 @ 10:11AM

Sir, Scheuer is a jihadi symp idiot, sir.
A groveling little arabist, sir.

Jack in Wi| 11.13.11 @ 12:50AM

Ron Paul will be the nominee, or the party will vanish. Vast majorities fo the people want nothing to do with any more Middle East wars. The elites are terrified of Ron Paul. That is why they only gave him two 30 second questions. Even so in those 60 seconds he destroyed 59 minutes of war propaganda.

Nobody is going to vote for another war. Obama will run as the man who got Bin Laden and is bringing the troops home. All the Republicans except Ron Paul are running, as for War, Torture, and Assassination. No sane person will vote for such a party. I don't think any body but Ron Paul could get 40% of the vote. No young person or independent is going to vote for such a program, of endless wars and endless bailouts. The elite Republicans can work with Barack Obama nicely. They would hate to have to work with someone from their unwashed base.

Ron Paul by head to head polling against Obama runs within a few points and has done so for months. Romney runs about 4 points better the Ron Paul. Cain was in third place, but is falling, like a rock, Gingrich is a sick joke. He has more baggage then went down on the Titanic. He is rightly dispised by the vast majority of Americans, including about 60% of the Republicans. It is Ron Paul or Obama for another 4 years.

Jack in Wi| 11.13.11 @ 12:50AM

Ron Paul will be the nominee, or the party will vanish. Vast majorities fo the people want nothing to do with any more Middle East wars. The elites are terrified of Ron Paul. That is why they only gave him two 30 second questions. Even so in those 60 seconds he destroyed 59 minutes of war propaganda.

Nobody is going to vote for another war. Obama will run as the man who got Bin Laden and is bringing the troops home. All the Republicans except Ron Paul are running, as for War, Torture, and Assassination. No sane person will vote for such a party. I don't think any body but Ron Paul could get 40% of the vote. No young person or independent is going to vote for such a program, of endless wars and endless bailouts. The elite Republicans can work with Barack Obama nicely. They would hate to have to work with someone from their unwashed base.

Ron Paul by head to head polling against Obama runs within a few points and has done so for months. Romney runs about 4 points better the Ron Paul. Cain was in third place, but is falling, like a rock, Gingrich is a sick joke. He has more baggage then went down on the Titanic. He is rightly dispised by the vast majority of Americans, including about 60% of the Republicans. It is Ron Paul or Obama for another 4 years.

chuck| 11.13.11 @ 11:31AM

"Ron Paul will be the nominee, or the party will vanish."

LMAO! This from the guy who knows more about history and current events than anybody else!

I guess the GOP is doomed! Ron Paul will never be the nominee.

Jack in Wi| 11.13.11 @ 12:50AM

Ron Paul will be the nominee, or the party will vanish. Vast majorities fo the people want nothing to do with any more Middle East wars. The elites are terrified of Ron Paul. That is why they only gave him two 30 second questions. Even so in those 60 seconds he destroyed 59 minutes of war propaganda.

Nobody is going to vote for another war. Obama will run as the man who got Bin Laden and is bringing the troops home. All the Republicans except Ron Paul are running, as for War, Torture, and Assassination. No sane person will vote for such a party. I don't think any body but Ron Paul could get 40% of the vote. No young person or independent is going to vote for such a program, of endless wars and endless bailouts. The elite Republicans can work with Barack Obama nicely. They would hate to have to work with someone from their unwashed base.

Ron Paul by head to head polling against Obama runs within a few points and has done so for months. Romney runs about 4 points better the Ron Paul. Cain was in third place, but is falling, like a rock, Gingrich is a sick joke. He has more baggage then went down on the Titanic. He is rightly dispised by the vast majority of Americans, including about 60% of the Republicans. It is Ron Paul or Obama for another 4 years.

Jack in Wi| 11.13.11 @ 12:52AM

Sorry for the mutiple post. The software messed up.

djtoland| 11.14.11 @ 9:29AM

OT,
I responded to your comment on the Iran article, and I guess you had already moved on. This is a repost, if you would like to respond...

OT,
I agree with your statement:
"it is wise to base your defense against an enemy on what they CAN do to you, rather than what you HOPE they will do."

There are currently 12 countries with nuclear weapons, including countries with unstable regimes such as North Korea and Pakistan. Kim Jong Il is a scary bastard to have control of nukes - and we have to do what we can to defend ourselves accordingly.

Would Iran having nukes force us to change our defensive posture against a nuclear attack?

Is Ahmadinejad really suicidal, and would he launch a pre-emptive strike that would most certainly result in a mushroom cloud over the entire country of Iran? Remember that the ruling class of a country are NOT suicide bombers...they are the privileged elite living lives of luxury in the here and now. I submit that they don't want to give up the very real power, and the real wine, women, and luxury that go along with their position, for the maybe, possible 72 virgins of the after-life. Who knows, maybe there was a typo in the Koran, and it is actually a 72 year old virgin waiting for you.....

Because no matter how much damage they inflicted on their target, is there any scenario that doesn't end with a huge mushroom cloud over all of Iraq, and Ahmadinejads and all of his buddies certain death?

Iva| 11.12.11 @ 11:58PM

What is conservative about spending all our nations wealth on endless war? So Paul has no chance because he's not one of the pigs in the parlor? People are sick of war and putting a Hitler wannabe against Obama is not gonna fly.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 12:03AM

The Israel Firster RINO-CINO'S Wouldn't Know Real Conservative Foreign Policy, If It Jumped Up And Bit Em.

Read George Washington's Farewell Address, Thomas Jefferson's First Inaugural Address, The Old Right.

" George Will, "Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?"

William F. Buckley, " It’s not at all conservative. It’s anything but conservative. It’s not conservative at all, inasmuch as conservatism doesn’t invite unnecessary challenges. It insists on coming to terms with the world as it is …”

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Dai Alanye| 11.13.11 @ 8:10AM

I fail to see why the Paulbots continue to cite George Washington. While he wished to avoid Europe's dynastic quarrels, Washington was a warrior who, after leaving the Presidency, agreed to lead a campaign against the Spanish in Florida, only being prevented by his death. Washington fully accepted the necessity of war in protection of American interests.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 9:51AM

President George Washington,
" Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence (I conjure you to believe me, fellow-citizens) the jealousy of a free people ought to be constantly awake, since history and experience prove that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of republican government. But that jealousy to be useful must be impartial; else it becomes the instrument of the very influence to be avoided, instead of a defense against it. Excessive partiality for one foreign nation and excessive dislike of another cause those whom they actuate to see danger only on one side, and serve to veil and even second the arts of influence on the other. Real patriots who may resist the intrigues of the favorite are liable to become suspected and odious, while its tools and dupes usurp the applause and confidence of the people, to surrender their interests.

The great rule of conduct for us in regard to foreign nations is in extending our commercial relations, to have with them as little political connection as possible. So far as we have already formed engagements, let them be fulfilled with perfect good faith. Here let us stop. Europe has a set of primary interests which to us have none; or a very remote relation. Hence she must be engaged in frequent controversies, the causes of which are essentially foreign to our concerns. Hence, therefore, it must be unwise in us to implicate ourselves by artificial ties in the ordinary vicissitudes of her politics, or the ordinary combinations and collisions of her friendships or enmities. "

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John B| 11.13.11 @ 12:34AM

The nomination is Romney's, and the rest is all superfluous. This whole debate and primary thing is just going through the motions, and any honest, objective political observer knows it. As an Obama voter in 2008, I'm thrilled with this apparent choice of Romney. I can't lose. If Obama wins, I'm happy, and if Romney wins, I even happier. Romney is a progressive at heart, and will make an acceptable president who will support nationalized health care, gay rights and a woman's right to choose. He'll work well with Democrats, and really get some things done. I thought election night in 2012 would be a nightmare for me and my liberal friends, but, miraculously, the Republicans have succeeded in all but nominating a progressive when they could have had a real conservative in the White House. How that could have happened, I don't know, but I do believe in political miracles now. Thank you Republican party. You're making my whole year better.

Jack in Wi| 11.13.11 @ 12:58AM

John B. Great Satire. Don't worry the civil war in the Republican party will be a lot of fun to watch. Willard Romney is a fitting final candidate for the Stupid party.

Solo| 11.13.11 @ 7:22AM

What I found interesting about the debate was the recurring theme that we 'had to be friends' with Pakistan because they're nuked-up. And not "friends" per se, but endlessly tolerant of their mischief and double-dealing.

Now...there's a real deterrent to Iran's nuclear ambitions!

There are no easy answers to Iran's nuclear ambitions--only a series of bad choices, just as it was with Iraq.
We dare not allow ourselves to live in a world which includes nuclear weapons in the hands of a rouge terrorist state controlled by the lunatic fringe of a death cult masquerading as religion.

At the same time, the attempt to disarm them at this late juncture could easily invite a conflagration that we are ill-prepared to undertake.

And...it isn't just Iran. It's the entire Middle East. Every solution creates a new problem of equal consequence to the original problem. It's like playing "Whack-A-Mole".

We did this to ourselves. And by "we" I mean the entire Western World. And not because we propped up the Shah Of Iran or invaded Iraq...or that we support "THE JOOOOOOOS".
Those are all attempts on our part to address the root mistake we made: Allowing ourselves to become dependent on Middle East oil.
It's good quality crude. It's easy to get at and it's a lot more convenient to let those Muslim sh*t holes to be peppered with drilling rigs than it is to sully our coast lines with them--thus bespoiling our view while vacationing at the beach with the wife and kiddies.

The war we should have been fighting was the war in search of oil supply. We should be seeking allies with whom to partner in that battle. Certainly...we wouldn't suffer the loss of blood and treasure we currently experience in the attempt to keep the crude flowing at market prices from that hopeless quagmire known as the Middle East.

We're fighting the wrong war with the wrong enemy in the wrong theatre. Rather than interjecting ourselves into the Middle East with the hope of controlling it to our advantage, we should have been working to make the Middle East completely irrelevant.
That...should be our Middle East strategy.

Mimi| 11.13.11 @ 7:56AM

Once we get the Natural Gas to run our cars we can free ourselves fom OIL....The day will come! We are sick of the Middle East...We must wiggle FREE of them.
In the meantime it should be DRILL BABY DRILL all the way . The error of the century, the end of the DEMOCRAT party to be the pay back for closing down our ability to provide for ourselves.....The result,....long lines for food stamps, and pictures of our wounded VETS. Yes I said it .....OBAMA will take down the Democratic Party with him....This country will NEVER be able to trust them ever again!

Mimi| 11.13.11 @ 8:26AM

Jack in Wi and Clint....Ron Paul has three flaws maybe four...! The national defense and our ability to be secure, His incorrect defense of legalizing DOPE., the one thing he has NO control over, he will be 85 if elected to two terms...Also he is a LIBERTARIAN and in the wrong Party!
The fact that he has and pays for a crowd to show up...in and out of these straw polls is irritating to the process!

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 9:53AM

Dr. Ron Paul,
“Our military’s purpose is to defend our country, not to police the
Middle East.

“As the President prepares to send even more support to Egypt, we should
be reminded that it was our foreign aid that helped Mubarak retain power
to repress his people in the first place. Now we have to deal with the
consequences of those decisions, yet we keep repeating the same mistakes.

“I am not the only one who can see the absurdities of our foreign
policy. We give $3 billion to Israel and $12 billion to her enemies.
Most Americans know that makes no sense.

“We need to come to our senses, trade with our friends in the Middle
East (both Arab and Israeli), clean up our own economic mess so we set a
good example, and allow them to work out their own conflicts.”

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 9:59AM

Ronald Reagan,
" If you analyze it I believe the very heart and soul of conservatism is libertarianism. I think conservatism is really a misnomer just as liberalism is a misnomer for the liberals–if we were back in the days of the Revolution, so-called conservatives today would be the Liberals and the liberals would be the Tories. The basis of conservatism is a desire for less government interference or less centralized authority or more individual freedom and this is a pretty general description also of what libertarianism is.

Now, I can’t say that I will agree with all the things that the present group who call themselves Libertarians in the sense of a party say, because I think that like in any political movement there are shades, and there are libertarians who are almost over at the point of wanting no government at all or anarchy. I believe there are legitimate government functions. There is a legitimate need in an orderly society for some government to maintain freedom or we will have tyranny by individuals. The strongest man on the block will run the neighborhood. We have government to insure that we don’t each one of us have to carry a club to defend ourselves. But again, I stand on my statement that I think that libertarianism and conservatism are traveling the same path."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Dai Alanye| 11.13.11 @ 8:45AM

It is desirable that we retain a semblance of friendship with Pakistan in order to influence them in our favor, to the extent that is possible.

Eventually, however, we might be forced to write them off. The danger of the situation is, as Santorum and Bachmann pointed out, their ownership of nuclear weapons. Aside from those, we could simply encourage India to clean Pakistan's clock, thereby ending the encouragement of terrorism in both Afghanistan and Kashmir.

Iran is a completely different problem, simply because they have neither nuclear weapons nor reliable delivery systems... Yet! Our job should be to prevent them acquiring nukes, regardless of Mideast oil. The US gains most of its petroleum from the Western Hemisphere, a situation that will work more to our favor in the future unless Obama manages to further damage production. But Europe depends to a significant degree on Mideast oil, and we don't want to see the economy of our allies and second-largest group of trading partner ruined.

chuck| 11.13.11 @ 11:42AM

I agree with your comments that we need to develop our own sources of energy. No one would give a rat's ass about the scum in the Middle East, and their funding for terrorism would be vastly reduced if the world wasn't dependent on their oil.
That said, there is still the radical nutcase Muslims who want to destroy Western culture and instill world-wide Islam. We can't just sit idly by and let these nut-jobs, like the midget in Iran, obtain nuclear weapons. We either stop them now, with the loss of thousands of lives, or stop them later, with the loss of millions of lives.

Both choices suck, but the big question is: The next President will have to make this decision, who do you want that person to be?

martin j smith| 11.13.11 @ 7:52AM

The debate format is bad and frankly I wonder for the umteenth time why these candidates tolerate this system. That said. My Comments. Ron Paul = or + radical than Obama-who needs him.
Romney--too smooth for our own good.
I think that Santorum and/or Bachman out to interrupt the debates and go out in front of the crowd and state this this format requires change right now and lets have our own give and take and throw the interrogators out now. That is the only way they will be heard. Plying by the rules of this format is a loser. I would advise Cain to bone up a lot on this issue and Perry needs to understand that if he wants to be taken seriously as a candidate he must take even a lousy format is not excuse to not be prepared. But he too should join Santorum, and Bachman to shove off the intermediaries and have a free flow conversation..
Huntsman--forgetabout it. He is neither here nor there.

Red Phillips| 11.13.11 @ 8:51AM

"So long as Ron Paul insists on being to the left of President Obama on foreign policy, he stands no chance of winning the Republican nomination."

Aaron, we have been over and over this around here. Paul style non-interventionism is NOT to the left. Non-interventionism is the policy that arises naturally from the conservative mindset. Modern American style interventionism is inherently radical in its assumptions and has much more in common with French Revolution Jacobinism than it does with authentic conservatism. From a philosophical first principles stand point, this is not debatable. The Occams and Jeffrey Lords around here clearly can't get past their crude dichotomous guilt by association (Paul votes like Kucinich duh huh huh) thinking, but you should know better.

Solo| 11.13.11 @ 9:13AM

Red..you say that as though the mere repeating of your position somehow, in itself, validates that position.

The projection of power abroad in order to protect our interests and security here at home is as old as the republic itself.

The one truly conservative approach to foreign policy is to view the world as it is--not as we wish it would be.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 10:03AM

" George Will, "Today, we have a very different kind of foreign policy. It’s called Wilsonian. And the premise of the Bush Doctrine is that America must spread democracy, because our national security depends upon it. And America can spread democracy. It knows how. It can engage in national building. This is conservative or not?"

William F. Buckley, " It’s not at all conservative. It’s anything but conservative. It’s not conservative at all, inasmuch as conservatism doesn’t invite unnecessary challenges. It insists on coming to terms with the world as it is …”

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 11:13AM

Solo;

You wrote you were scared Saddam's cadre of Evil Scientists were going to create a Super Virus and fly it over with a terrorist on a commercial airplane and that the only reasonable solution to this fear of yours was a trillion dollar debt financed invasion that would make Iran stronger in the region.

If that is the Right, please describe the Left in this insane comic book world of yours?

Solo| 11.13.11 @ 1:27PM

I said nothing of the sort, "CBowen".

Those are your characterizations of a position with which you disagree.

If Strawmen are going to be your argument, then I suggest that you trundle back to "PrisonPlanet" with the rest of the lying kooks.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 3:12PM

Oh, you dressed it up a bit, but the point stands.

You were scared of Saddam and favored a trillion dollar debt financed invasion, and hence, should not speak on foreign policy issues as you are easily fooled by Iranian agents and other assorted conmen like the Clintons.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 6:50PM

In truth, the C Bowens of the country are scared of their own shadows. They the ones who hide under their beds while the rest of our brave military men go out and fight FOR them.
All the while, like immature little boys they go onto websites like this to throw their stones at them.

They're the 1960's hippie freaks revisited~ ya know~ the ones who spit on our vets when they returned home from battle.

Still the same old punks, just a new generation of them.
It's why you can honestly say that Libertarinism and Paleocon-ism share the same mindset as the LEFT.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 7:18PM

Can you explain that using logic?

What we do know is that you and your husband were so scared of Saddam that you favored a trillion dollar debt financed war and the death of your own countrymen, on the basis of the account given by the Iranian agent Chalabi.

Now that we know that there was no reason for you and your husband to be scared of Saddam, it should be a given that if you have honor or shame, you would not post on foreign policy topics.

Now your husband wrote that Stalin was a good ally to the United States--if only we could bring back the House Committee on Un-American Activities, I could report him. He didn't seem to care that Stalin had killed 10s of millions, and yet he was scared of Saddam?

Red Phillips| 11.13.11 @ 9:13PM

C Bowen, as tempting as it is to imagine all interventionist alarmists as primarily motivated by fear (since they are always calling us non-interventionists cowards), I don't really think fear is the primary motivating emotion for most of them. The emotion that motivates them is their warped sense of national pride*. For them their entire sense of what it means to be an American is tied up in their conception of America as "the indispensible nation" without which global chaos would reign. This is why they get so bent out of shape about non-interventionism. Not because they really think we would "ALL SURELY DIE!!!!" if the US stopped intervening, but because it challenges their whole concept of what America is all about and what it means to be an American and love your country. This is why they label opposing certain foreign policies treason. This is why America hating anti-war hippies and Constitution loving conservative non-interventionists are all the same in their eyes.

*I did not use the word patriotism because theirs is not patriotism properly understood. A patriot loves his country because it is his. This is why it shares the same root word as paternal. The true patriot does not love his country because it is the biggest and the best and can beat up other countries.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 9:29PM

Red;

I don't write to turn the minds of the fallen, only to catch the attention of the "Realists" in the elite that their political support comes from the insane, or mentally damaged anyway.

But you are wrong. Fear is the key.

See, when the domestic, native threat is the real threat--I mean, which multi-trillion dollar government let the hijackers into the country?, the nodes, because of all the media, are prone to search for an external Other to take the body of the threat. The reality is far too scary for them, so they project in line with what the Ruling Class has for them.

This is the story of the post WWII rightwing-isn't it?

Most of the posters are probably on the take anyway. Ken Old Texan hints he's an old BCCI launderer; Occam calls for holocausting a billion people and poses as an "antiracist"--how seriously should we take this outlet?

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 11:38PM

My husband only posts using victor, all lower case, FYI.
Got it?
And, I forgot to say~ his parents so wanted to become Americans that after the war, they went to Canada, and had to wait patiently for TEN YEARS. they were on a list.
They knew no English, but learned it on their own, partly by reading the newspapers.
My Father in law worked as a eng
ineer here all his life.
Funny thing, he met Stalin once. He was pals with his son way back during his time at the military academy in Russia. He quit hanging around with the son though, because he drank too much.

He graduated first in the class, and awarded him with a gold watch. It's what he used to bribe the prison guard with.

After the war, like some folks who managed to escape, or were liberated by the Brits, like my Mother in law was, and especially if they viewed you as "important" in some way, my Father in law got a letter from Stalin, saying come on back. Yet if they returned, they would be killed by Stalin, they were traitors of course, and especially my Father in law, as he fought against him in the war.

He wrote back and told him that he would NEVER under ANY circumstances EVER be returning there. That he loved America, and it was now his permanent home.

My Mother in law told me this, as Vic's Dad passed away in the 1980's.

So, fess up, dude. Are you purposely lying here?
Or is it an honest mistake?
Inquiring minds want to know.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 11:41PM

Oops. Reading the newspapers with a dictionary, that is.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 11:04PM

Not MY husband, kiddo.
My husband's family were thrown into Nazi prison camps, and my Mother-in-law nearly starved to death. My Father-in-law fought the Nazi's, was a p-51 Mustang fighter pilot in in Russia in WWII. He hated the Communists as well.
He was shot down and put in a prison camp, and escaped by bribing the guard.

Now, I know there are a couple of posters here that post with the name of Vic, but you are either purposely lying (as you always do here, so it wouldn't surprise me), or you are mistaking my husband for someone else.

Which is it?

C Bowen| 11.14.11 @ 3:41PM

Your husband slandered the father of the publisher of this magazine, and repeated Trotskite agitprop regarding America First. He denied knowing anything about Red penetration of the FDR administration, and seemed to be supportive of our World War II ally Stalin, even though he had murdered tens of million more then the chap in Germany.

I just assumed he was a Red--wouldn't you?

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 8:11PM

PROVE IT YOU FILTHY LYING SCUMBAG.
YOU ARE SICK!!

C Bowen| 11.15.11 @ 8:05PM

Here's the thread:

http://spectator.org/blog/2011.....ent_603135

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 8:16PM

Ya know, punk~ you won't be the first to have your lying rear end sued for libel here.
Better put up your proof, snake.
We'll be waiting.

Red Phillips| 11.13.11 @ 8:50PM

Solo, it is not true because I assert it. Neither is it true that non-interventionism is liberal because Occam, Aaron, Lord, etc. assert it. It is true because it is. This is why I suggest starting with first principles and moving out from there.

What is from the left is imagining for the US some sort of special exaggerated role in world affairs as the global keeper of order. This is not about defense and it is not about power projection. It is about maintaining global hegemony. The US has 11 aircraft carriers. Russia and China have 1 each. If 11 carriers are necessary for the defense and power projection of the US, then they are necessary for China and Russia, yet neither country is in danger of being invaded despite only having 1. Clearly American style interventionism is about much more than defense. This cannot credibly be denied. This is why I say it is inherently radical and Jacobin.

I also agree that we have to take the world as it is, not as we wish it were. This is what interventionist ideologues woefully fail to do. Their threat assessments are not based on reality but on the ideological need for enemies and threats.

Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 11.13.11 @ 9:11AM

Rick Perry will get smoother as time goes by. He's like the popular guy in high school who screws up but is intelligent.

It's still Romney's to lose. Herman Cain is an outsider and that's why he's so popular.

Perry's gaffe, while ridiculed, may have served an important point that government is too big for the average individual to grasp. In the long run it may serve him well to have the gaffe discussed.

Mike W| 11.13.11 @ 10:10AM

Perry has been done for a long time. His screw up this week was only the nail in his coffin.

He might not be as big a dolt as he appears in debates but that points to a different issue - he chokes under pressure.

Marco| 11.13.11 @ 9:57AM

Re Bachmann: it's tough to make a significant contribution when you are treated so rudely. Re Cain and Perry: these guys know nothing of what they were speaking to. Re Newtie: the lectures are tiresome, and the pandering vomitous.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 11:13AM

The Media Agendists Are Attempting To Orchestrate,Which Candidated Get Time To Speak & Which Get Deliberately Ignored By CBS.

" Michele Bachmann's campaign made a similar claim, releasing an email it said was inadvertently sent to Communications Director Alice Stewart by a CBS employee that said Bachmann wasn't going to get many questions, so they should try to get another candidate for a post-debate show.

"I was just speaking with Alice Stewart... about the Congresswoman or a senior member if (sic) her staff joining you for the webshow. She said she would be happy to arrange," said one CBS employee in an email sent Saturday afternoon, hours before the debate.

John Dickerson, a CBS News political analyst, then responded, "Okay let's keep it loose though since she's not going to get many questions and she's nearly off the charts in the hopes that we can get someone else."

The campaign said the email indicated "a planned effort to limit questions to Michele Bachmann at tonight's CBS/National Journal Debate."

We Are Being Set Up By Media Agendists.

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 11:15AM

We Are Being Set Up by Media Agendists.

" Both Ron Paul and Michele Bachmann are crying foul after what they said were unfair efforts to limit their air time during CBS' Republican presidential debate on Saturday night.

In an email sent out after the debate entitled "What a Joke," the Paul campaign ripped CBS for allowing the Texas Congressman only a minute and a half of air time in the 90 minute debate.

"It literally made me sick watching the mainstream media once again silence the one sane voice in this election," said Campaign Manager John Tate. "The one dissenter to a decade of unchecked war. The one candidate who stands for true defense and actual constitutional government. Ron Paul was silenced, in perhaps the most important debate of the cycle."

The Tea Party Rebellion Is Here.

John| 11.13.11 @ 10:20AM

That Herman Cain has no knowledge of foreign policy and must end his campaign. He was never elected anyway, why he should get the GOP nomination in the first place? Cain is disgrace and pathetic. Gov Rick Perry did a superb job. I fully agree with his idea of starting zero dollar aid to any country, based upon their commitment and past record. He talks more like a President in the last night debate. Ron Paul, we all know, is no good in the foreign policy. Mitt Romney were obsessed with China. Rick Santorum and Michelle Bachmann, both knew they were playing at the bottom of the 9th innings, a do or die situation for them, and it reflected their performance. Overall, Rick Perry is the sole winner who was often ignored by the CBS moderators in the debate.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 6:53PM

"Cain is disgrace and pathetic."

John is once again, projecting.

John| 11.13.11 @ 11:37AM

Herman Cain is a moron , no chance to get the GOP nomination. He was never elected, who'll vote for him anyway? He is sabotaging GOP field. Don not trust Cain.

Paul Bot| 11.13.11 @ 2:44PM

I see that the coaching staff of PennS has shown up for their usual demonstration of man love. If Bruno can get Ron in a motel room then why not them? Clint McQueery is quite a Pennsylvanian. Unless he learns to talk with an Austrian accent he will never bed Ron Paul.

Clint| 11.13.11 @ 4:33PM

We See The Gutless Neo-Chickenhawk Coward Israel Firster Hiding Behind The Latest Nom de Guerre.

You're Scared Of The Tea Party & Our Co-Favorite Presidential Candidate, Dr.Ron Paul.

Boo !

Paul Bot| 11.13.11 @ 9:50PM

All you care about is little boys and Ron Paul, Timmie*.

C Bowen| 11.13.11 @ 3:53PM

Who favors involving the US in the affairs of Iran:

Ruling Class:
Obama, Hillary, George Soros, Dick Cheney, Brookings Institute, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, John McCain, AIPAC, Herman Cain

Who doesn't favor involving itself in the affairs of Iran:

Country Class, it would appear.

As the American Spectator noted, there is no Left-Right, just Ruling Class and Country Class.

Choose wisely.

Margie| 11.13.11 @ 11:20PM

Our Foxhound pooch is more conservative than you, Bowen dude.

Spirit Crusher| 11.13.11 @ 5:12PM

I am fearful that Perry, Gingrich and Cain have enough solid core support that they will last deep into the primary season, thereby allowing Romney to win with a plurality in many of the states. Gingrich is an a distraction, albeit a knowledgeable distraction, that will tank the chances of Perry or Cain to sew up the conservative base. Hopefully something occurs that allows a single Not-Romney candidate to take on Mitt head on.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 1:32AM

FESS UP, C BOWEN. I'm still waiting for you to admit or confess to your fallacy concerning my husband.

Jay| 11.14.11 @ 5:14AM

Cain, Gingrich, Romney, Perry, Bachmann and Santorum are all marching with the Imperial Japanese Army.

“This wasn’t a Prisoner of War camp, it was a secret interrogation center called Ofuna where high-value captured men were housed in solitary confinement, starved, tormented and tortured to divulge military secrets. Because Ofuna was kept secret from the outside world, the Japanese operated with an absolutely free hand.

“The [U.S. Servicemen] in Ofuna, said the Japanese, weren’t POWs; they were 'unarmed combatants' at war against Japan, and as such didn’t have the rights that international law accorded POWs. In fact, they had no rights at all. If captives 'confessed their crimes against Japan', they’d be treated 'as well as regulations permit.' Over the course of the war, some one thousand Allied captives would be hauled into Ofuna, and many would be held there for years.”

Source: Hillenbrand, Laura; Unbroken, A World War II Story of Survival, Resilience, and Redemption, Chapter 19, Random House, 2010.

Ryan| 11.14.11 @ 8:40AM

Cain's position needs to be fleshed out, but I don't know if his team is smart enough to come up with a way to enunciate it.

What essentially happens as President is this, and we saw it with Obama: whatever foreign policy positions you think you hold, intel that you don't have access to will throw out the door. It may be why we're still holding enemy combatants at Gitmo.

Margie| 11.14.11 @ 2:01PM

Thanks for proving me right, C Bowen dude. You're a freaking coward.

Papist Dan| 11.15.11 @ 4:31PM

Bigot Margie with the filthy mouth,
Let me guess, you bigotry, punkette?

Louis Nardozi| 11.15.11 @ 9:38PM

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