"No wonder Middle America hates them." So
writes Katha Pollitt at The Nation. She's talking about those
morally monstrous celebs who have run to defend Roman Polanski.
The Pollitt column is great -- thoughtful, fact-filled, well
crafted. The mind boggles that ANYbody can defend Polanski. These
people are as far removed from decency as Michael Vick was at
odds with PETA's principles. They should be shunned from
all polite society and shunned from all studio work as well. Not
that they would even be aware of the former, mind you, which is
of course utterly alien to them. Foul, fetid Hollywood shows its
ugly face again.....
The Hollyweird lefties live in a fantasy world that is only
connected to reality at a very few points.
kingsmill| 10.1.09 @ 8:05PM
Amazing to see such common sense from The Nation!
Liberal Reader| 10.1.09 @ 8:30PM
Roman Polanski should be brought to justice, despite what his
friends -- and even the victim -- say. His crime was very
serious.
I'm a huge admirer of Polanski's films: Chinatown is probably one
of the greatest films ever made. Many of his other films are
classics. But there's no "great artist" exception to the law as
far as I know.
I would hope a judge would take into account a) Polanski's
extraordinary life before he committed this crime; and b) his
life lived -- so far as anyone knows -- within the law for more
than three decades since the crime.
But taking these into account should only -- perhaps -- soften
the punishment, it should not excuse the crime.
Scooter Libby received a 30 month sentence plus large fine for a
very questionable perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to
investigators where all this occurred during an investigation
where no actual crime was committed. CNN stated justice was not
served and many of left called for an complete investigation and
impeachment of George Bush for making a mockery of the justice
system.
Mark Foley sent emails to an underage page and became the left's
poster child of corruption. No crime was committed.
Plaxico Burress is serving a two year sentence for firing off a
gun accidentally in a nightclub where no one was hurt.
Michael Vick millions of dollars and about 18 months for abusing
and killing dogs.
Roman Polanski, let's be soft on him. After all, his next
"girlfriend" in France was at least 15 years old.
Liberal Reader| 10.2.09 @ 1:06AM
Warrior --
You're bumping into a classic problem of punishment. Justice
demands that the punishment fits the crime, but it's not as easy
as it sounds to find that fit.
Part of the reason is that we punish for different reasons that
are not always compatible with one another.
We punish for what are called deontological reasons (a man
deserves punishment for his crime) and to deter other criminals,
and to protect society from further harm. All of these purposes
are legitimate, but they are not equally legitimate in every
case.
I -- just to clarify -- did NOT say the judge should be "soft" on
Polanski. I never understand why distinctions like this are so
damn difficult for you reactionaries.
I only said I would hope a judge would take into consideration
Polanski's life before and after he committed this terrible
crime. As far as I know he has never been implicated in other
criminal activity; he's led a life of tremendous accomplishments;
he's a Holocaust survivor who lost his mother in the
concentration camps. I just think these things ought to weigh in
the balance, although they certainly cannot excuse what he did.
Marie| 10.2.09 @ 2:48AM
Roman Polanski's life before and after the crime doesn't matter.
He preyed on a 13 year old child; emphasis on "child". Read the
grand jury testimony. He needs to be held accountable.
Daisy| 10.2.09 @ 4:07AM
Notice the liberal elitist never mentioned the thirteen year old
rape victim--once? I wonder what kind of hell she's lived through
since Polanski so cruelly violated her thirty years ago?
Bet you dollars to donuts her life hasn't been as much fun as
Roman's. Time to rectify that. Now.
Trurl| 10.2.09 @ 9:05AM
It mat well be that a judge will take those circumstances into
account, LR. The problem is that Roman has never faced the
justice system at all. If he believes that his life and work
constitutes mitigating factors him man up and accept judgment for
his actions, which, AFAIK, he freely admits to.
Trurl| 10.2.09 @ 9:06AM
Sorry about the typos. I just got up.
tonypal| 10.1.09 @ 10:21PM
After reading Pollitt's column, I checked with the local coven to
find out whether Hell had frozen over. They said they would get
back to me.
Victor| 10.2.09 @ 2:35AM
Polanski is a fugitive from justice and should be punished
accordingly: He has already forfeited his freedom.
stephanie| 10.2.09 @ 8:41AM
Whoopie's statement leaves me flabergasted.
Oldefarte| 10.2.09 @ 11:40AM
To me, her statement is TYPICAL of not only her, but Bayhar as
well. Anyone who watches that Show is a moronic at best, liberal
at least!
Barb| 10.2.09 @ 8:49AM
I bet that if you looked up their prior comments regarding the
priest sex abuse scandal you will find it chock full of hypocrisy
what they are saying now about this guy. Child rape is ok to them
as long as it is done by one of "their own".
Fiat Voluntas Tua
Tim| 10.2.09 @ 9:42AM
It's amazing what some stars say when they don't have writers to
put the words in their mouths.
Reg| 10.2.09 @ 10:03AM
The underlying reason for the support of Polanski is this: the
entertainment industry doesn't think that having sex with
children is wrong, and there should be no legal "age of consent".
The industry has been working hard for years to get the culture
to accept children as sexual beings, using every medium available
in the culture to sexualize children from a very early age. Add
to that a culture that now believes/teaches that there is NO
moral aspect to the act of sex and , voila! What Polanski did is
no big deal. This is also why they bring up the "30 years ago, no
relevance now" defense. They believe that their efforts have been
successful in changing the moral culture. Thankfully, there are
lots of us who disagree...vehemently!
J.C.Eaton| 10.2.09 @ 10:15AM
We are told by one of our readers that a man's past acts are a
sentencing ingredient that factor into a criminal court
disposition. He is correct in that there are three(3) major
considerations and past history is a subset of one of them. Those
three major considerations are;Character of the convicted,Nature
of the crime, and Protection of the public. Here, the so-called
character of the convicted is a cowardly diletante who
specialized in preying upon little girls, then had no guts to
face his own music. Here, the nature of the crime is the preying
upon a child after plying her, in preparation for his crimes,
with alcohol and other drugs. Protection of the public can often
be served with a probatioary term but here, stiff incarceration
is the surest way to insure society is not further victimized,
others like-minded are deterred, and innocence is respected.
Although each of these considerations is weighed, they are rarely
weighed equally. Certain situations call for emphasis on
different factors. In this case, mitigation is offered because
the cowardly child rapist made a popular motion picture and
survived a horrible and massive crime inflicted on more than six
million other people. That strikes me as a bit strange. Wouldn't
it be more likely that such survival would quicken Polanski's
appreciation for the sacredness of the human soul? In all events,
he's had his allottment of freedom, in sum, he ought perish in
prison.
JC.Eaton| 10.2.09 @ 10:26AM
Sorry,"little girls" should be: "a little girl." So far as I know
he has only one conviction.
Amor de Cosmos| 10.2.09 @ 10:26AM
"Art is important" said the beautiful Australian actress at the
Academy Awards on the cusp of the invasion of Iraq.
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others"
bleated the barnyard animals on Sunset Boulevard in reply.
Daisy| 10.2.09 @ 3:05PM
Brutally true and hilarious at the same time. Great post.
Oldefarte| 10.2.09 @ 11:36AM
Typical of the liberal Hollywood crowd, and their elitist,
equally hedonistic, acedemic crowd! These morons can slobber over
Hillary's words of outrage concerning the war-rapes of the Congo,
but then turn a blind-eye to this. What stupid fools and
hypocrites. Additionally what does this say for the American
public and their children who daily buy-in to this garbage via
movie attendance and TV viewing, all of which is Hollywood
produced?????
Campy| 10.2.09 @ 11:55AM
Oldefarte,
As I posted yesterday (and which appears deleted), Hollywood
liberal-liberals trump even regular liberals.... there is a total
disconnect with them from their high perch.
BTW, has anyone else noticed post deletions...Margie, I know a
few weeks ago you mentioned it too. AS, what's going on?
Hank Archer| 10.2.09 @ 4:31PM
Many are saying that since Polanski's victim has forgiven him and
wants the case dropped that it should be. but to me it seems
quite probable that the reason Polanski’s victim is now saying
this is because making statements like that was part of the civil
case settlement.
Rudy| 10.2.09 @ 6:03PM
Polanski didn't skip out on the girl, he skipped out on the law;
and the law ain't done with him yet.
ConservativeWanderer| 10.1.09 @ 8:04PM
The Hollyweird lefties live in a fantasy world that is only connected to reality at a very few points.
kingsmill| 10.1.09 @ 8:05PM
Amazing to see such common sense from The Nation!
Liberal Reader| 10.1.09 @ 8:30PM
Roman Polanski should be brought to justice, despite what his friends -- and even the victim -- say. His crime was very serious.
I'm a huge admirer of Polanski's films: Chinatown is probably one of the greatest films ever made. Many of his other films are classics. But there's no "great artist" exception to the law as far as I know.
I would hope a judge would take into account a) Polanski's extraordinary life before he committed this crime; and b) his life lived -- so far as anyone knows -- within the law for more than three decades since the crime.
But taking these into account should only -- perhaps -- soften the punishment, it should not excuse the crime.
Warrior| 10.1.09 @ 9:52PM
Scooter Libby received a 30 month sentence plus large fine for a very questionable perjury, obstruction of justice and lying to investigators where all this occurred during an investigation where no actual crime was committed. CNN stated justice was not served and many of left called for an complete investigation and impeachment of George Bush for making a mockery of the justice system.
Mark Foley sent emails to an underage page and became the left's poster child of corruption. No crime was committed.
Plaxico Burress is serving a two year sentence for firing off a gun accidentally in a nightclub where no one was hurt.
Michael Vick millions of dollars and about 18 months for abusing and killing dogs.
Roman Polanski, let's be soft on him. After all, his next "girlfriend" in France was at least 15 years old.
Liberal Reader| 10.2.09 @ 1:06AM
Warrior --
You're bumping into a classic problem of punishment. Justice demands that the punishment fits the crime, but it's not as easy as it sounds to find that fit.
Part of the reason is that we punish for different reasons that are not always compatible with one another.
We punish for what are called deontological reasons (a man deserves punishment for his crime) and to deter other criminals, and to protect society from further harm. All of these purposes are legitimate, but they are not equally legitimate in every case.
I -- just to clarify -- did NOT say the judge should be "soft" on Polanski. I never understand why distinctions like this are so damn difficult for you reactionaries.
I only said I would hope a judge would take into consideration Polanski's life before and after he committed this terrible crime. As far as I know he has never been implicated in other criminal activity; he's led a life of tremendous accomplishments; he's a Holocaust survivor who lost his mother in the concentration camps. I just think these things ought to weigh in the balance, although they certainly cannot excuse what he did.
Marie| 10.2.09 @ 2:48AM
Roman Polanski's life before and after the crime doesn't matter. He preyed on a 13 year old child; emphasis on "child". Read the grand jury testimony. He needs to be held accountable.
Daisy| 10.2.09 @ 4:07AM
Notice the liberal elitist never mentioned the thirteen year old rape victim--once? I wonder what kind of hell she's lived through since Polanski so cruelly violated her thirty years ago?
Bet you dollars to donuts her life hasn't been as much fun as Roman's. Time to rectify that. Now.
Trurl| 10.2.09 @ 9:05AM
It mat well be that a judge will take those circumstances into account, LR. The problem is that Roman has never faced the justice system at all. If he believes that his life and work constitutes mitigating factors him man up and accept judgment for his actions, which, AFAIK, he freely admits to.
Trurl| 10.2.09 @ 9:06AM
Sorry about the typos. I just got up.
tonypal| 10.1.09 @ 10:21PM
After reading Pollitt's column, I checked with the local coven to find out whether Hell had frozen over. They said they would get back to me.
Victor| 10.2.09 @ 2:35AM
Polanski is a fugitive from justice and should be punished accordingly: He has already forfeited his freedom.
stephanie| 10.2.09 @ 8:41AM
Whoopie's statement leaves me flabergasted.
Oldefarte| 10.2.09 @ 11:40AM
To me, her statement is TYPICAL of not only her, but Bayhar as well. Anyone who watches that Show is a moronic at best, liberal at least!
Barb| 10.2.09 @ 8:49AM
I bet that if you looked up their prior comments regarding the priest sex abuse scandal you will find it chock full of hypocrisy what they are saying now about this guy. Child rape is ok to them as long as it is done by one of "their own".
Fiat Voluntas Tua
Tim| 10.2.09 @ 9:42AM
It's amazing what some stars say when they don't have writers to put the words in their mouths.
Reg| 10.2.09 @ 10:03AM
The underlying reason for the support of Polanski is this: the entertainment industry doesn't think that having sex with children is wrong, and there should be no legal "age of consent". The industry has been working hard for years to get the culture to accept children as sexual beings, using every medium available in the culture to sexualize children from a very early age. Add to that a culture that now believes/teaches that there is NO moral aspect to the act of sex and , voila! What Polanski did is no big deal. This is also why they bring up the "30 years ago, no relevance now" defense. They believe that their efforts have been successful in changing the moral culture. Thankfully, there are lots of us who disagree...vehemently!
J.C.Eaton| 10.2.09 @ 10:15AM
We are told by one of our readers that a man's past acts are a sentencing ingredient that factor into a criminal court disposition. He is correct in that there are three(3) major considerations and past history is a subset of one of them. Those three major considerations are;Character of the convicted,Nature of the crime, and Protection of the public. Here, the so-called character of the convicted is a cowardly diletante who specialized in preying upon little girls, then had no guts to face his own music. Here, the nature of the crime is the preying upon a child after plying her, in preparation for his crimes, with alcohol and other drugs. Protection of the public can often be served with a probatioary term but here, stiff incarceration is the surest way to insure society is not further victimized, others like-minded are deterred, and innocence is respected. Although each of these considerations is weighed, they are rarely weighed equally. Certain situations call for emphasis on different factors. In this case, mitigation is offered because the cowardly child rapist made a popular motion picture and survived a horrible and massive crime inflicted on more than six million other people. That strikes me as a bit strange. Wouldn't it be more likely that such survival would quicken Polanski's appreciation for the sacredness of the human soul? In all events, he's had his allottment of freedom, in sum, he ought perish in prison.
JC.Eaton| 10.2.09 @ 10:26AM
Sorry,"little girls" should be: "a little girl." So far as I know he has only one conviction.
Amor de Cosmos| 10.2.09 @ 10:26AM
"Art is important" said the beautiful Australian actress at the Academy Awards on the cusp of the invasion of Iraq.
"All animals are equal but some are more equal than others" bleated the barnyard animals on Sunset Boulevard in reply.
Daisy| 10.2.09 @ 3:05PM
Brutally true and hilarious at the same time. Great post.
Oldefarte| 10.2.09 @ 11:36AM
Typical of the liberal Hollywood crowd, and their elitist, equally hedonistic, acedemic crowd! These morons can slobber over Hillary's words of outrage concerning the war-rapes of the Congo, but then turn a blind-eye to this. What stupid fools and hypocrites. Additionally what does this say for the American public and their children who daily buy-in to this garbage via movie attendance and TV viewing, all of which is Hollywood produced?????
Campy| 10.2.09 @ 11:55AM
Oldefarte,
As I posted yesterday (and which appears deleted), Hollywood liberal-liberals trump even regular liberals.... there is a total disconnect with them from their high perch.
BTW, has anyone else noticed post deletions...Margie, I know a few weeks ago you mentioned it too. AS, what's going on?
Hank Archer| 10.2.09 @ 4:31PM
Many are saying that since Polanski's victim has forgiven him and wants the case dropped that it should be. but to me it seems quite probable that the reason Polanski’s victim is now saying this is because making statements like that was part of the civil case settlement.
Rudy| 10.2.09 @ 6:03PM
Polanski didn't skip out on the girl, he skipped out on the law; and the law ain't done with him yet.
koo| 1.12.10 @ 7:48AM
Mark Foley sent emails to an underage page and becamadidas outlete the left's poster child of corruption. No crinike outletme was committed.