Jonathan Cohn
argues that one of the reasons Democrats are having trouble
defending their health care policies is that conservatives are
making "arguments that cut in
completely opposite directions." Namely, one the one hand,
conservatives are arguing that costs will explode, yet on the
other hand, arguing that President Obama is so dedicated to cost
controls that he'll institute rationing. But I don't really see
these arguments as being at odds, for several reasons.
First off, there's an important distinction between overall
health care expenditures -- i.e. the total amount of money the
whole country spends on health care each year -- and the amount
of money the government spends on health care. In 2007, for
instance, our overall health care expenditures were $2.24
trillion. Of that, about 46 percent was spent by government at
some level, or $1.04 trillion, according to
data from the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services.
When Obama and others talk about "bending the health care cost
curve" what they're talking about is the overall number, which is
currently projected to grow to nearly $4.4 trillion by 2018.
However, at the same time, Democrats are proposing policies that
would substantially increase the government's share of the
national health care dollar. They are proposing a massive
expansion of Medicaid as well as huge subsidies for individuals
to purchase health insurance through an exchange. So, it's
completely feasible that government, through rationing, could
decrease the United States' overall spending on health care,
while at the same time dramatically increasing our national debt.
It would just be a matter of government taking a much larger
slice of a smaller piece of pie.
There's another scenario that I think is more likely. If health
care legislation passes, I imagine at first that the
administration would resist rationing or any sort of unpopular
cost controls. But what will happen is that all the free and
subsidized health insurance will drastically pump up consumption
and drive health care spending out of control. Obama's attempts
to rein in costs through wider adoption of information
technology, preventive medicine, wringing efficiencies out of
Medicare, and cutting down on waste, fraud, and abuse within the
system will not work. That's when the government will start to
ration care as they do in other countries. The comparative
effectiveness research panel is just one example of a provision
that creates the infrastructure for future rationing. While Obama
argues that the this would just be about providing information
that would not be binding, if you read Tom Daschle's book
Critical: What We Can Do About the Health-Care Crisis,
he describes a similar Federal Health Board, and explains how
government could compel wider adoption of the recommendations.
For instance, there could be a requirement that all government
programs would have to abide by its recommendations, that
requirement could extend to any private insurer participating in
the exchange, and as Daschle wrote on page 179, "Congress
could opt to go further with the Board's recommendations. It
could, for example, link the tax exclusion for health insurance
to insurance that complies with the Board's recommendations." And
remember, this is a man Obama originally tapped to lead his
health care effort, and Obama specifically
said in a blurb on the back of Daschle's book that, "his
Federal Reserve for Health concept holds great promise for
bridging this intellectual chasm and, at long last, giving this
nation the health care it deserves."
Either way, Obama has run into trouble because he isn't being
honest about the tradeoffs that exist. He's trying to make people
believe that we can expand coverage, save money, and do so
without resorting to the kind of rationing that other nations do.
For good reason, the American people aren't buying it.
Cohn misunderstands (that's generous) the conservative argument.
We're saying that the administration is impaled on the horns of a
dilemma.
If Obamacrats do not ration care, then free care incentivizes
people to use more services than they do today.
If Obamacrats do ration care, then we'll have Canada/UK/Germany
style wait lists and technological stagnation.
That's the argument. We're not saying it's both rationed AND
expensive, we're saying it's rationed OR expensive - and both are
freakin' bad. Really freakin' bad.
Cohn misunderstands (that's generous) the conservative argument.
We're saying that the administration is impaled on the horns of a
dilemma.
If Obamacrats do not ration care, then free care incentivizes
people to use more services than they do today.
If Obamacrats do ration care, then we'll have Canada/UK/Germany
style wait lists and technological stagnation.
That's the argument. We're not saying it's both rationed AND
expensive, we're saying it's rationed OR expensive - and both are
freakin' bad. Really freakin' bad.
Xerocky| 8.12.09 @ 12:59PM
So much talk, all it comes down to is: there are 5 different
versions of the bill that the D's are still batting around. He
wanted this thing done on the 8/1/09. They didn't even know, and
still don't know what exactly they're proposing, but it had to be
finished? Why?
They can't respond to the Conservative point because they can't
wrap their heads around their own points yet. He doesn't know
what he thinks, he's never read or tried to understand his own
bill. He stands there and says things like "nobody will force you
to" "you can keep whatever" in this slightly annoyed way, as if
he's talking to a bunch of dopes, when he himself doesn't truly
understand what he's talking about. And this is the cornerstone
of the Democratic party, healthcare is WHAT THEY DO. They've had
since 93’ to come up with a solid working plan for this thing
that they keep bringing up, and now they control all three
branches of govt and they don't know exactly what they're
selling.
Like Jeff just said in the post before mine, they can’t reconcile
the reality of their vision, but they know that they believe it.
That’s not rational, that’s a religion.
Angel| 8.12.09 @ 1:40PM
This is not between legals and illegals; this is between young
and old. Sarah Palin was right: If you are elderly or infirm,
your life means less and will be treated as such.
Eugenicists detest "useless feeders," and Obama's administration
is loaded with eugenicists. They are monsters.
jc| 8.12.09 @ 1:59PM
Just because there is a theoretical, finite probability that an
infinity of monkeys, banging on typewriters for an infinite time,
will produce the works of Shakespeare, doesn't mean that a
majority of Congress can produce "health care reform," within a
finite time, without screwing up our health care system.
Tim| 8.12.09 @ 11:16AM
Remember: Obamacare is not just for Americans. Anybody who can get across the border can have it too.
Jeff| 8.12.09 @ 12:35PM
Cohn misunderstands (that's generous) the conservative argument. We're saying that the administration is impaled on the horns of a dilemma.
If Obamacrats do not ration care, then free care incentivizes people to use more services than they do today.
If Obamacrats do ration care, then we'll have Canada/UK/Germany style wait lists and technological stagnation.
That's the argument. We're not saying it's both rationed AND expensive, we're saying it's rationed OR expensive - and both are freakin' bad. Really freakin' bad.
Jeff| 8.12.09 @ 12:35PM
Cohn misunderstands (that's generous) the conservative argument. We're saying that the administration is impaled on the horns of a dilemma.
If Obamacrats do not ration care, then free care incentivizes people to use more services than they do today.
If Obamacrats do ration care, then we'll have Canada/UK/Germany style wait lists and technological stagnation.
That's the argument. We're not saying it's both rationed AND expensive, we're saying it's rationed OR expensive - and both are freakin' bad. Really freakin' bad.
Xerocky| 8.12.09 @ 12:59PM
So much talk, all it comes down to is: there are 5 different versions of the bill that the D's are still batting around. He wanted this thing done on the 8/1/09. They didn't even know, and still don't know what exactly they're proposing, but it had to be finished? Why?
They can't respond to the Conservative point because they can't wrap their heads around their own points yet. He doesn't know what he thinks, he's never read or tried to understand his own bill. He stands there and says things like "nobody will force you to" "you can keep whatever" in this slightly annoyed way, as if he's talking to a bunch of dopes, when he himself doesn't truly understand what he's talking about. And this is the cornerstone of the Democratic party, healthcare is WHAT THEY DO. They've had since 93’ to come up with a solid working plan for this thing that they keep bringing up, and now they control all three branches of govt and they don't know exactly what they're selling.
Like Jeff just said in the post before mine, they can’t reconcile the reality of their vision, but they know that they believe it. That’s not rational, that’s a religion.
Angel| 8.12.09 @ 1:40PM
This is not between legals and illegals; this is between young and old. Sarah Palin was right: If you are elderly or infirm, your life means less and will be treated as such.
Eugenicists detest "useless feeders," and Obama's administration is loaded with eugenicists. They are monsters.
jc| 8.12.09 @ 1:59PM
Just because there is a theoretical, finite probability that an infinity of monkeys, banging on typewriters for an infinite time, will produce the works of Shakespeare, doesn't mean that a majority of Congress can produce "health care reform," within a finite time, without screwing up our health care system.