As bad as her bias, lack of professionalism, and overall
shrillness generally are, what most struck me about her hamfisted
attempt at reporting was her utter incomprehension of the views
of the people she was covering. There are some protests -- think
LaRouchie events -- where it is not easy to tell what in the hell
is going on, but these gatherings represented a major American
political viewpoint. It was if I attended a demonstration in
favor of universal health care, mixed it up with the protestors,
and started sputtering, "But... but... the Republicans want to
give you a tax credit!"
UPDATE: As was noted by a commenter below, it's being
reported that Roesgen
applied for a job at "right-wing" Fox News -- twice.
I used to really like Susan Roesgen. She was an anchor here in
New Orleans for years. I was totally shocked and angered when I
heard and saw her coverage of the Tea Party. It was NOT
professionalism! When did the media decide it was acceptable to
belittle and demean the citizens of the U.S. who do not happen to
agree with their particular ideology?! It has become so obvious!
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 2:15PM
Mr Antle --
Many, many people attended these events with the best of
intentions expressing beliefs as American as apple pie.
However, there was a visible presence (more than a small
minority) of people expressing extreme, hateful ideas. And good
for them. It's a free country. But I'm afraid the decent people
may have to accept some of the mockery and contemptuous mirth
coming their way.
jenna| 4.17.09 @ 2:46PM
More people saw Susan Roesgen on Fox news than saw her original
broadcast on CNN. With that in mind, I'm not too upset about her
shrill outburst.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 2:56PM
Quintessential blonde liberal fascist bimbo.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 2:57PM
Apparently she applied for a job at Fox, to no avail - twice!
CNN's ratings are in the toilet. I wonder what 'teabagger'
Anderson Cooper thinks about that.
Angel| 4.17.09 @ 3:01PM
Oh, so it was personal with her. Not much of a professional, is
she?
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 3:02PM
What a loser.
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 3:03PM
FOX's ratings are through the roof!!
Kat| 4.17.09 @ 3:05PM
MSNBC is a joke, too.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 3:19PM
MSNBC is beyond belief. Shuster and Olbermann are like two angry
frat boys. Filled with rage. And Olbermann is OBSESSED with Fox
News. And still nuts over GWB.
Maddow is just boring and repetitive and weird.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:21PM
"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a
Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical
force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and
a disarmed populace."...James Madison, Federalist Papers # 46
Well, I guess since we already have a standing army & an
enslaved press, we can see what's next on the horizon.
Dusty| 4.17.09 @ 3:23PM
MSNBC has turned into a spittle soaked freak show. Losers.
MT| 4.17.09 @ 3:25PM
Olbermann really looks crazy. Just looking at him makes me laugh.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 3:30PM
I don't know if the liberal fascists can count on our standing
army. They've already put them on a terrorist watch list-- why
would the military be loyal to them?
Kat| 4.17.09 @ 3:34PM
She was rejected by FOX twice? How embarrassing--this makes her
look like such a fool. CNN gets FOX's rejects.
Angel| 4.17.09 @ 3:36PM
Bill O'Reilly said there's a civil war in the media--he's right.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:38PM
Julia. I guess you're right. I never thought of it like that.
Good point. I guess President Nero will have to rely on his
Brownshir... uh, I mean, Civilian Security Force, to be that
standing army.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:39PM
If we DO come to aristocracy, then Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi
can take the titles of Lord & Lady Douchebag.
Tim| 4.17.09 @ 3:48PM
That was a performance worthy of local cable community access
channel. Like many TV people she can't think on her feet.
Ten years ago they could rely on the magic of editing. Now
cameras are everywhere and we see them groping about, so to
speak.
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 3:50PM
Julia --
It would be nice if you had your facts straight before making
such an outrageous claim.
The Department of Homeland Security reported documented cases of
returning vets who had threatened violence against government
officials. Not to have reported these incidents would have been
gross incompetence.
Nobody put "vets" in general on a terror watch list. That is
total bullshit being propounded on absurd websites.
Being a low-information voter is your right. But it seems a shame
and a waste.
Tim| 4.17.09 @ 3:59PM
She wouldn't report that way from a HAMAS demonstration and CNN
wouldn't run it if she did. Those people got better things to do
than get killed.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 4:04PM
Really, T. Paine? What about this ambigous passage in the report
itself:
"(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and
experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that
rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning
veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities."
If this doesn't lump all returning vets into a "prime" group for
the white power schmucks, I don't know what does. This is an
insult to those who took an oath to defend this country against
all enemies, foreign & DOMESTIC. Once upon a time, they were
called baby killers (like my Dad). Now they're prime recruits for
the Klan & the Aryan brotherhood. I'm sure if my Dad were
still alive, he'd appreciate being lumped into this group.
Especially since he was Jewish.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 4:07PM
"Being a low-information voter is your right. But it seems a
shame and a waste."
Being willfully ignorant of what your government is trying to do
is YOUR right. That also, is a shame & a waste.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 4:48PM
I knew it would PO Tom P. when I brought up his liberal fascist
compadres putting the military on a terrorist watch list. So
predictable--like Pavlov's dog--just ring a bell and watch the
liberal fascists salivate. Ha ha.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 4:50PM
NavyBrat--Lord and Lady D-bag. LOL!! You crack me up!
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 4:53PM
Cite the source and the documented cases, troll. Put up or shut
up.
Bob| 4.17.09 @ 4:57PM
All of you seem to be missing the point of news coverage. The
cable news business is not about news, it is about profits
through consumer targeting. Fox News targets lower socioeconomic,
populist, non-college educated voters. That was the brilliance of
Murdoch and Ailes. By concentrating on that 18% of the public,
they received higher repeat viewing and a lower cost of viewer
acquisition. MSNBC tried to cover the center, but with the pull
of Fox from the right, they targeted college educated
progressives including younger voters. They have been successful
with that targeting, but college educated voters don't view the
news as often as the Fox viewers, and while the model is
successful, that target is slightly weaker. With viewers pulled
from the right and left, CNN is being squeezed.
You guys think this has to do with ideology, but it really has to
do with profits and targeting. Supporting the tea parties was
just a way to get cheap advertising. No true news channel would
hire 99% of the people from Fox and about 70% of the people from
MSNBC. These guys are entertainers, not fair and balanced news
people.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 5:08PM
FOX kicks your fellow liberal fascists' butts every day, Bobbo.
FOX gets the Conservative message out and helps us spread the
mighty word of dissent! YAY FOX!! CNN and MSNBC have failed!
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 5:11PM
FOX will help us let people know about the massive Washington,
D.C./July 4, 2009 Tea Party!! Thanks FOX NEWS!!
Wendy, you're funny. I almost feel sorry for the bimbo--almost.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 5:51PM
>>>Fox News targets lower socioeconomic, populist,
non-college educated voters. That was the brilliance of Murdoch
and Ailes.
What a crock Bob. And what snobbery. For the record, I know quite
a few people who went to Tea Parties AND watch Fox. They all went
to college. One is a network executive, the other is a published
novelist, another is a magazine editor, etc. etc.
It's just that sort of elitist attitude that has CNN, the NYT,
and other such media outlets shrinking.
CH| 4.17.09 @ 5:52PM
Now, if that freak Olbermann would just take a permanent
vacation!!
Randy L.| 4.17.09 @ 5:54PM
Poor CNN!
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 5:56PM
Bob is a fascist liberal who pretends to be a RINO. Old
news--yawn.
Trail | 4.17.09 @ 5:59PM
Too funny!
Bob| 4.17.09 @ 6:23PM
Thank you Julia, Wendy, et. al., for proving my point about Fox
News. Fox News has a great business model and it seems it has all
of you in its target market. According to Pew Research, Fox News
is comprised of 22% college grads while CNN is at 30% and MSNBC
is at 32%. Interestingly enough, Rush is at 36% college grads
while O'Reilly is at 24% college grads. The data did not have
Olberman in it. Again, this is not snobbery, it is data and
targeting. If any of you spent any time in business, you'd
understand what I'm saying. Fox News did extremely well in the 1Q
2009 and was up about 12%. MSNBC is slightly less than half of
the size of Fox News but was up 22%. MSNBC is fine tuning its
business model and adding some populist elements like Ed Schultz
to counter the populism of Glenn Beck and Hannity. Neither
Olberman nor Maddow is populist and MSNBC needs more people like
Schultz to garner a strong repeat base.
joe| 4.17.09 @ 6:27PM
As a reporter, Susan was very biased. If she represents CNN, then
Americans who hold the opposite view should let everyone at CNN
know their frustration with biased reporting as well as CNN's
sponsors. America is not as dumb as the media thinks and I think
with the way that she and Anderson Cooper represent the network
is a big disgrace.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 6:42PM
If FOX is just entertainment, they're a HUGE success. Works for
me!! The more people watch, the more they'll be exposed to the
truth of Conservatism! Let CNN and MSNBC languish in the toilet.
MT| 4.17.09 @ 6:43PM
The toilet is where CNN & MSNBC belong!!
Nelson| 4.17.09 @ 7:47PM
Bob's numbers are actually pretty interesting. I think he is just
asking us to stop rooting for the home team and just objectively
analyze how the viewing audience has been carved up by the
networks. The thing that stands out is that Rush's audience is
the most educated of all. I guess Rush is the closest thing we
have to Bill Buckley now, which only underscores how much we miss
that great man.
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 8:14PM
Nelson --
Actually, NPR has the highest educated audience. (I heard Rush
himself cite this statistic when he was crowing about these
numbers.)
John| 4.17.09 @ 9:05PM
By the numbers, there are more college educated viewers watching
FOX. For example 3.6 million people view O'Reilly (3.6 mil x
24%=860,000). CNN's counterpart Olbermann (1 mil x MSNBC's
32%=320,000)
MT| 4.17.09 @ 9:58PM
Dopers and mouth-breathers watch MSNBC. Ha!
Bob| 4.18.09 @ 2:25PM
Nelson, to analyze audience numbers and find the reason something
is true, we'd have to go much further. For example, we'd have to
find out whether they are Republicans or Democrats and how the
daypart compares to the general audience at that time. We know
that Rush's audience is primarily men. Do they listen to the
whole show or just when they get in the car to go to lunch?
Generally, college grads utilize lunch drivetime more than
non-college grads. Comparing to Buckley is a jump that we can't
quite make with the data available.
John, be careful in using totals to come to conclusions. Rush
reaches about 4.7% of the total U.S. population at least 1 time a
week. O'Reilly reaches less than 1% and Olberman even less. When
you reach that small a percentage, the totals can be misleading.
The point is that Fox is clearly targeting the non-college
educated viewer. For advertising and repeat viewership reasons,
that is an excellent target from a business perspective. Like I
said, it is a superb, and differentiated, business model. You
also choose hosts that will appeal to that target audience -- and
they have.
From a knowledge perspective, they do stay away from pedantic
explanations of problems and utilize populist words and
simplified explanations targeted against specific individuals. It
is the psychological technique of finding a "common enemy".
Again, as a businessman who has spent his entire life developing
new businesses, I really appreciate this business model.
From the perspective of providing people with information and
objectivity, though, it is one of the worst business models we
have seen. For that matter, the inverse of this at MSNBC has the
identical problem.
Jeffrey Payne| 4.19.09 @ 8:31AM
How should those of us who attend Tea Parties respond to
"reporting" like CNN's Susan Roesgen?
Susan Roesgen to Citizen: Don't you realize that you're eligible
for a $400 tax cut!?!?
Citizen: OK, let me illustrate how I feel about that. Say I'm a
Politician. Susan, I'm going to GIVE you a $400 gift! Aren't I
wonderful? All I need from you is to borrow your credit
card...[hold out hand for card]
CNN: You want to use MY credit card to buy ME a gift?
Citizen: Along with a few other things; just $6000 or so. I'm a
politician; I have NEEDS --- EXPENSIVE needs.
CNN: $6000!?!
Citizen: This year's budget will borrow $1.85 TRILLION -- that's
over $6000 for every man, woman & child in America. But we're
getting a $400 "tax cut". You seem to think that's a great deal.
Regards,
Heather Czerniak| 4.19.09 @ 1:23PM
Susan Roesgen was definitely out of line this time. I wouldn't
doubt that her anti-Fox rant was revenge for not getting hired on
at Fox. If Fox News is politically biased, it can only be because
CNN and other networks are biased as well. While I watch the Fox
network less than the others, I commend them for hanging in there
over the years. Love 'em or hate 'em, they do provide balance in
a time when balance is needed.
Basil Plumley| 4.19.09 @ 3:41PM
Bob your analysis is quite bizarre. You said:
John, be careful in using totals to come to conclusions. Rush
reaches about 4.7% of the total U.S. population at least 1 time a
week. O'Reilly reaches less than 1% and Olberman even less. When
you reach that small a percentage, the totals can be misleading.
Imagine if someone sold their book to 4.7% of the US population.
That book would be an absolute blockbuster. Outside of The Bible,
Harry Potter, and Mao's Little Red Book, what would come
close?
Your attempt to downplay Rush's appeal is pretty dumb. It's not
just the folks who listen but the others in the media and
politics who cover what Rush says and others who did not listen
but were informed by those who did listen. You need to think
exponentially and not statically. Are you really sure you
are/were successful in the business world?
Your analysis leads me to believe that your business either
failed or needed a "bailout".
Aedyn| 4.21.09 @ 9:41AM
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:)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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I don't know what college he graduated from, but apparently it
didn't afford him much intelligence (as do most universities
these days).
Coming from a college grad who is proud to not have been
brainwashed, I'm undoubtedly sure that it doesn't take a PhD to
follow the truth.
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often! I like your recent posts. You obviously have a natural
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It was a very nice idea! Just wanna say thank you for the
information you have shared. Just continue writing this kind of
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Deborah| 4.17.09 @ 2:10PM
I used to really like Susan Roesgen. She was an anchor here in New Orleans for years. I was totally shocked and angered when I heard and saw her coverage of the Tea Party. It was NOT professionalism! When did the media decide it was acceptable to belittle and demean the citizens of the U.S. who do not happen to agree with their particular ideology?! It has become so obvious!
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 2:15PM
Mr Antle --
Many, many people attended these events with the best of intentions expressing beliefs as American as apple pie.
However, there was a visible presence (more than a small minority) of people expressing extreme, hateful ideas. And good for them. It's a free country. But I'm afraid the decent people may have to accept some of the mockery and contemptuous mirth coming their way.
jenna| 4.17.09 @ 2:46PM
More people saw Susan Roesgen on Fox news than saw her original broadcast on CNN. With that in mind, I'm not too upset about her shrill outburst.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 2:56PM
Quintessential blonde liberal fascist bimbo.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 2:57PM
Apparently she applied for a job at Fox, to no avail - twice!
http://gawker.com/5216313/fox+bashing-cnn-reporter-applied-for-a-job-at-fox
Hell hath no fury...
Daphne| 4.17.09 @ 2:59PM
CNN's ratings are in the toilet. I wonder what 'teabagger' Anderson Cooper thinks about that.
Angel| 4.17.09 @ 3:01PM
Oh, so it was personal with her. Not much of a professional, is she?
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 3:02PM
What a loser.
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 3:03PM
FOX's ratings are through the roof!!
Kat| 4.17.09 @ 3:05PM
MSNBC is a joke, too.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 3:19PM
MSNBC is beyond belief. Shuster and Olbermann are like two angry frat boys. Filled with rage. And Olbermann is OBSESSED with Fox News. And still nuts over GWB.
Maddow is just boring and repetitive and weird.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:21PM
"A government resting on the minority is an aristocracy, not a Republic, and could not be safe with a numerical and physical force against it, without a standing army, an enslaved press and a disarmed populace."...James Madison, Federalist Papers # 46
Well, I guess since we already have a standing army & an enslaved press, we can see what's next on the horizon.
Dusty| 4.17.09 @ 3:23PM
MSNBC has turned into a spittle soaked freak show. Losers.
MT| 4.17.09 @ 3:25PM
Olbermann really looks crazy. Just looking at him makes me laugh.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 3:30PM
I don't know if the liberal fascists can count on our standing army. They've already put them on a terrorist watch list-- why would the military be loyal to them?
Kat| 4.17.09 @ 3:34PM
She was rejected by FOX twice? How embarrassing--this makes her look like such a fool. CNN gets FOX's rejects.
Angel| 4.17.09 @ 3:36PM
Bill O'Reilly said there's a civil war in the media--he's right.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:38PM
Julia. I guess you're right. I never thought of it like that. Good point. I guess President Nero will have to rely on his Brownshir... uh, I mean, Civilian Security Force, to be that standing army.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 3:39PM
If we DO come to aristocracy, then Harry Reid & Nancy Pelosi can take the titles of Lord & Lady Douchebag.
Tim| 4.17.09 @ 3:48PM
That was a performance worthy of local cable community access channel. Like many TV people she can't think on her feet.
Ten years ago they could rely on the magic of editing. Now cameras are everywhere and we see them groping about, so to speak.
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 3:50PM
Julia --
It would be nice if you had your facts straight before making such an outrageous claim.
The Department of Homeland Security reported documented cases of returning vets who had threatened violence against government officials. Not to have reported these incidents would have been gross incompetence.
Nobody put "vets" in general on a terror watch list. That is total bullshit being propounded on absurd websites.
Being a low-information voter is your right. But it seems a shame and a waste.
Tim| 4.17.09 @ 3:59PM
She wouldn't report that way from a HAMAS demonstration and CNN wouldn't run it if she did. Those people got better things to do than get killed.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 4:04PM
Really, T. Paine? What about this ambigous passage in the report itself:
"(U//FOUO) Returning veterans possess combat skills and experience that are
attractive to rightwing extremists. DHS/I&A is concerned that rightwing
extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans in order to
boost their violent capabilities."
If this doesn't lump all returning vets into a "prime" group for the white power schmucks, I don't know what does. This is an insult to those who took an oath to defend this country against all enemies, foreign & DOMESTIC. Once upon a time, they were called baby killers (like my Dad). Now they're prime recruits for the Klan & the Aryan brotherhood. I'm sure if my Dad were still alive, he'd appreciate being lumped into this group. Especially since he was Jewish.
NavyBrat| 4.17.09 @ 4:07PM
"Being a low-information voter is your right. But it seems a shame and a waste."
Being willfully ignorant of what your government is trying to do is YOUR right. That also, is a shame & a waste.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 4:48PM
I knew it would PO Tom P. when I brought up his liberal fascist compadres putting the military on a terrorist watch list. So predictable--like Pavlov's dog--just ring a bell and watch the liberal fascists salivate. Ha ha.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 4:50PM
NavyBrat--Lord and Lady D-bag. LOL!! You crack me up!
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 4:53PM
Cite the source and the documented cases, troll. Put up or shut up.
Bob| 4.17.09 @ 4:57PM
All of you seem to be missing the point of news coverage. The cable news business is not about news, it is about profits through consumer targeting. Fox News targets lower socioeconomic, populist, non-college educated voters. That was the brilliance of Murdoch and Ailes. By concentrating on that 18% of the public, they received higher repeat viewing and a lower cost of viewer acquisition. MSNBC tried to cover the center, but with the pull of Fox from the right, they targeted college educated progressives including younger voters. They have been successful with that targeting, but college educated voters don't view the news as often as the Fox viewers, and while the model is successful, that target is slightly weaker. With viewers pulled from the right and left, CNN is being squeezed.
You guys think this has to do with ideology, but it really has to do with profits and targeting. Supporting the tea parties was just a way to get cheap advertising. No true news channel would hire 99% of the people from Fox and about 70% of the people from MSNBC. These guys are entertainers, not fair and balanced news people.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 5:08PM
FOX kicks your fellow liberal fascists' butts every day, Bobbo. FOX gets the Conservative message out and helps us spread the mighty word of dissent! YAY FOX!! CNN and MSNBC have failed!
Smitty| 4.17.09 @ 5:11PM
FOX will help us let people know about the massive Washington, D.C./July 4, 2009 Tea Party!! Thanks FOX NEWS!!
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 5:36PM
The latest? She's a taking a vacation. LOL.
http://www.mediabistro.com/tvnewser/cnn/partiedout_cnn_reporter_takes_a_break_114340.asp?c=rss
Angel| 4.17.09 @ 5:51PM
Wendy, you're funny. I almost feel sorry for the bimbo--almost.
WendyG| 4.17.09 @ 5:51PM
>>>Fox News targets lower socioeconomic, populist, non-college educated voters. That was the brilliance of Murdoch and Ailes.
What a crock Bob. And what snobbery. For the record, I know quite a few people who went to Tea Parties AND watch Fox. They all went to college. One is a network executive, the other is a published novelist, another is a magazine editor, etc. etc.
It's just that sort of elitist attitude that has CNN, the NYT, and other such media outlets shrinking.
CH| 4.17.09 @ 5:52PM
Now, if that freak Olbermann would just take a permanent vacation!!
Randy L.| 4.17.09 @ 5:54PM
Poor CNN!
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 5:56PM
Bob is a fascist liberal who pretends to be a RINO. Old news--yawn.
Trail | 4.17.09 @ 5:59PM
Too funny!
Bob| 4.17.09 @ 6:23PM
Thank you Julia, Wendy, et. al., for proving my point about Fox News. Fox News has a great business model and it seems it has all of you in its target market. According to Pew Research, Fox News is comprised of 22% college grads while CNN is at 30% and MSNBC is at 32%. Interestingly enough, Rush is at 36% college grads while O'Reilly is at 24% college grads. The data did not have Olberman in it. Again, this is not snobbery, it is data and targeting. If any of you spent any time in business, you'd understand what I'm saying. Fox News did extremely well in the 1Q 2009 and was up about 12%. MSNBC is slightly less than half of the size of Fox News but was up 22%. MSNBC is fine tuning its business model and adding some populist elements like Ed Schultz to counter the populism of Glenn Beck and Hannity. Neither Olberman nor Maddow is populist and MSNBC needs more people like Schultz to garner a strong repeat base.
joe| 4.17.09 @ 6:27PM
As a reporter, Susan was very biased. If she represents CNN, then Americans who hold the opposite view should let everyone at CNN know their frustration with biased reporting as well as CNN's sponsors. America is not as dumb as the media thinks and I think with the way that she and Anderson Cooper represent the network is a big disgrace.
Julia| 4.17.09 @ 6:42PM
If FOX is just entertainment, they're a HUGE success. Works for me!! The more people watch, the more they'll be exposed to the truth of Conservatism! Let CNN and MSNBC languish in the toilet.
MT| 4.17.09 @ 6:43PM
The toilet is where CNN & MSNBC belong!!
Nelson| 4.17.09 @ 7:47PM
Bob's numbers are actually pretty interesting. I think he is just asking us to stop rooting for the home team and just objectively analyze how the viewing audience has been carved up by the networks. The thing that stands out is that Rush's audience is the most educated of all. I guess Rush is the closest thing we have to Bill Buckley now, which only underscores how much we miss that great man.
Tom Paine| 4.17.09 @ 8:14PM
Nelson --
Actually, NPR has the highest educated audience. (I heard Rush himself cite this statistic when he was crowing about these numbers.)
John| 4.17.09 @ 9:05PM
By the numbers, there are more college educated viewers watching FOX. For example 3.6 million people view O'Reilly (3.6 mil x 24%=860,000). CNN's counterpart Olbermann (1 mil x MSNBC's 32%=320,000)
MT| 4.17.09 @ 9:58PM
Dopers and mouth-breathers watch MSNBC. Ha!
Bob| 4.18.09 @ 2:25PM
Nelson, to analyze audience numbers and find the reason something is true, we'd have to go much further. For example, we'd have to find out whether they are Republicans or Democrats and how the daypart compares to the general audience at that time. We know that Rush's audience is primarily men. Do they listen to the whole show or just when they get in the car to go to lunch? Generally, college grads utilize lunch drivetime more than non-college grads. Comparing to Buckley is a jump that we can't quite make with the data available.
John, be careful in using totals to come to conclusions. Rush reaches about 4.7% of the total U.S. population at least 1 time a week. O'Reilly reaches less than 1% and Olberman even less. When you reach that small a percentage, the totals can be misleading.
The point is that Fox is clearly targeting the non-college educated viewer. For advertising and repeat viewership reasons, that is an excellent target from a business perspective. Like I said, it is a superb, and differentiated, business model. You also choose hosts that will appeal to that target audience -- and they have.
From a knowledge perspective, they do stay away from pedantic explanations of problems and utilize populist words and simplified explanations targeted against specific individuals. It is the psychological technique of finding a "common enemy". Again, as a businessman who has spent his entire life developing new businesses, I really appreciate this business model.
From the perspective of providing people with information and objectivity, though, it is one of the worst business models we have seen. For that matter, the inverse of this at MSNBC has the identical problem.
Jeffrey Payne| 4.19.09 @ 8:31AM
How should those of us who attend Tea Parties respond to "reporting" like CNN's Susan Roesgen?
Susan Roesgen to Citizen: Don't you realize that you're eligible for a $400 tax cut!?!?
Citizen: OK, let me illustrate how I feel about that. Say I'm a Politician. Susan, I'm going to GIVE you a $400 gift! Aren't I wonderful? All I need from you is to borrow your credit card...[hold out hand for card]
CNN: You want to use MY credit card to buy ME a gift?
Citizen: Along with a few other things; just $6000 or so. I'm a politician; I have NEEDS --- EXPENSIVE needs.
CNN: $6000!?!
Citizen: This year's budget will borrow $1.85 TRILLION -- that's over $6000 for every man, woman & child in America. But we're getting a $400 "tax cut". You seem to think that's a great deal.
Regards,
Heather Czerniak| 4.19.09 @ 1:23PM
Susan Roesgen was definitely out of line this time. I wouldn't doubt that her anti-Fox rant was revenge for not getting hired on at Fox. If Fox News is politically biased, it can only be because CNN and other networks are biased as well. While I watch the Fox network less than the others, I commend them for hanging in there over the years. Love 'em or hate 'em, they do provide balance in a time when balance is needed.
Basil Plumley| 4.19.09 @ 3:41PM
Bob your analysis is quite bizarre. You said:
John, be careful in using totals to come to conclusions. Rush reaches about 4.7% of the total U.S. population at least 1 time a week. O'Reilly reaches less than 1% and Olberman even less. When you reach that small a percentage, the totals can be misleading.
Imagine if someone sold their book to 4.7% of the US population. That book would be an absolute blockbuster. Outside of The Bible, Harry Potter, and Mao's Little Red Book, what would come close?
Your attempt to downplay Rush's appeal is pretty dumb. It's not just the folks who listen but the others in the media and politics who cover what Rush says and others who did not listen but were informed by those who did listen. You need to think exponentially and not statically. Are you really sure you are/were successful in the business world?
Your analysis leads me to believe that your business either failed or needed a "bailout".
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BobIsTrying| 4.24.09 @ 2:52AM
Does Bob realize how ill-advised he sounds?
I don't know what college he graduated from, but apparently it didn't afford him much intelligence (as do most universities these days).
Coming from a college grad who is proud to not have been brainwashed, I'm undoubtedly sure that it doesn't take a PhD to follow the truth.
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