Writing about what he
describes as the "Goldwater myth," David Frum is right that
Barry Goldwater's 1964 landslide loss hurt Republicans in
down-ballot races, creating liberal Democratic supermajorities
that enacted lots of bad legislation in 1965-66. Some of that
legislation is a lot more enduring than anything the conservative
movement has ever managed to accomplish through its influence on
the Republican Party.
All true, but not exactly complete. Goldwater's nomination
ensured that different Republicans were in a position to react to
eventual libeal overreach than would have been the case had the
party nominated Nelson Rockefeller. We don't know for certain
what would have happened in an alternate universe where
Rockefeller, Scranton, or (George) Romney was the 1964 nominee. I
suspect Frum is right that it would have meant a better 1965-66
for conservatives, but would it have meant a better next 20
years?
Maybe, if Medicare and the Immigration Act of 1965 had never been
enacted in their current forms. Maybe sans Goldwater the GOP
would have gotten a little more credit for its role in the
civil-rights legislation of the 1960s. But it is just as easy to
imagine everything that happened in 1965-66 happening over a
longer period of time, with no immediate liberal excess, no
Ronald Reagan, and perhaps if we're lucky a President Howard
Baker by 1984. The domestic policy of an eventual Rockefeller
Republican president probably wouldn't have looked much different
than the Great Society -- after all, the domestic policy of the
marginally more conservative Nixon administration didn't.
Just as it's difficult to recreate an alternate history, it's
hard to predict the future. The president who proved most
disastrous to the Democratic Party wasn't the liberal equivalent
of Goldwater. It was Jimmy Carter, a putatively moderate
Southerner who was nominated in reaction to the excesses of
George McGovern and was not terribly popular among the most
liberal elements of his party. Similarly, the president most
responsible for the Republican Party's current problems wasn't
Goldwater reincarnated. George W. Bush was a "compassionate
conservative" and "reformer with results," a Republican who
trying to react to the excesses of the Gingrich Congress and ape
the Democratic Leadership Council's "small ball" playbook.
Bush had a better relationship with the right wing of his party
than Carter had with the left wing of his. (Though this is partly
because conservatives despised John McCain, the man Republicans
nominated to replace Bush, and partly because of 9/11.) It's hard
to imagine Tom Coburn challenging Bush in 2004 the way Ted
Kennedy ran against Carter in 1980. But Rush Limbaugh Dubya was
not.
Yes, political parties are foolish to deliberately throw away
elections running suicide missions instead of campaigns, because
you never know what battles will be forever lost while the other
party is in power. But political movements have to
concern themselves with the rightness and wrongness of various
ideas and policies. Sometimes those things are in conflict.
That's why we read our Adam Smith and learn about the division of
labor.
I could have sworn we ran a RINO suicide mission in 2008.
Ran| 3.3.09 @ 4:22PM
ruth... Your eyes and ears weren't fooling you. Reminded me of a
dive-bomber that didn't bother even trying to pull-up.
"Suspending my campaign" to vote for TARP had a "drop and
suspend until expiration" closed caption.
ruth| 3.3.09 @ 4:40PM
What happened to McCain, didn't he used to be a Naval fighter
pilot?
BJC| 3.3.09 @ 5:02PM
Jim! Really? What, exactly, are you referring to in excoriating
"the excesses of the Gingrich Congress"? I believe the
"Gingrinches" failed from FLINCHING during the 1995-6
confrontation with Bill Clinton when Clinton lied that the
Republicans "shut down" government when Clinton was the one who
in fact did that. Or maybe that was Bob Dole, in the run-up to
his coronation as Republican standardbearer, who flinched in not
being able to stand up agains Clinton because he'd not yet taken
enough Viagra .... But I saw no "excesses" from the Gingrich
House of Representatives. Have you specifics you can cite for me?
R. Dittmar| 3.3.09 @ 6:47PM
Can Frum just save us all a lot of time and name a conservative
that he actually supports?
Alan Brooks| 3.3.09 @ 8:00PM
being a naval fighter pilot must have rattled McCain's little
brainpan too much.
ruth| 3.3.09 @ 8:32PM
LOL. 5 years in a POW Camp didn't help either. God bless him.
AuH2O| 3.3.09 @ 11:43PM
Cute title! David Frum is, at best, a "Republican", not a
"republican", and he, and his ilk, need a refresher with regard
to our political philosophy, not that it will do any good, but it
doesn't hurt to try. "I would remind you that extremism in the
defense of liberty is no vice. [applause] Let me remind you also
that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." It was
true in 1964, it's true now! Where is the Republican who will
lead us out of the wilderness and defeat the Canaanites so we can
ALL live again in the land of milk and honey? It sure isn't David
Frum!
BJC, I'd certainly say Gingrich has been known for some
rhetorical excesses but perhaps I should have said "perceived
excesses." The point I was trying to make was that George W. Bush
was specifically reacting to bad PR against the Republican
Congress. I agree they flinched and were in fact pretty much
useless by 1998. Policy-wise, I would have liked to have seen
more "excess."
Basil Plumley| 3.4.09 @ 10:17AM
Good points JWA
However, a couple of points about Newt.
From what I have read (and it makes sense) Newt did not delegate
very well. He was certainly a great idea man but while he was
speaker he did not delegate very well. Hence the uprising.
The other thing about Newt was his inability to master the
soundbite. Words like "dying on the vine" were taken out of
context and the "we went against the President because he put
Dole and myself in the back of Air Force One on trip" hurt the
credibility of the Conservative Agenda; it made us look petulant.
I like Newt alot but wasn't he the one who also said the Age of
Reagan was dead. You would think he would learn from past faux
pas.
ruth| 3.3.09 @ 3:51PM
I could have sworn we ran a RINO suicide mission in 2008.
Ran| 3.3.09 @ 4:22PM
ruth... Your eyes and ears weren't fooling you. Reminded me of a dive-bomber that didn't bother even trying to pull-up. "Suspending my campaign" to vote for TARP had a "drop and suspend until expiration" closed caption.
ruth| 3.3.09 @ 4:40PM
What happened to McCain, didn't he used to be a Naval fighter pilot?
BJC| 3.3.09 @ 5:02PM
Jim! Really? What, exactly, are you referring to in excoriating "the excesses of the Gingrich Congress"? I believe the "Gingrinches" failed from FLINCHING during the 1995-6 confrontation with Bill Clinton when Clinton lied that the Republicans "shut down" government when Clinton was the one who in fact did that. Or maybe that was Bob Dole, in the run-up to his coronation as Republican standardbearer, who flinched in not being able to stand up agains Clinton because he'd not yet taken enough Viagra .... But I saw no "excesses" from the Gingrich House of Representatives. Have you specifics you can cite for me?
R. Dittmar| 3.3.09 @ 6:47PM
Can Frum just save us all a lot of time and name a conservative that he actually supports?
Alan Brooks| 3.3.09 @ 8:00PM
being a naval fighter pilot must have rattled McCain's little brainpan too much.
ruth| 3.3.09 @ 8:32PM
LOL. 5 years in a POW Camp didn't help either. God bless him.
AuH2O| 3.3.09 @ 11:43PM
Cute title! David Frum is, at best, a "Republican", not a "republican", and he, and his ilk, need a refresher with regard to our political philosophy, not that it will do any good, but it doesn't hurt to try. "I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. [applause] Let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." It was true in 1964, it's true now! Where is the Republican who will lead us out of the wilderness and defeat the Canaanites so we can ALL live again in the land of milk and honey? It sure isn't David Frum!
W. James Antle III| 3.3.09 @ 11:51PM
BJC, I'd certainly say Gingrich has been known for some rhetorical excesses but perhaps I should have said "perceived excesses." The point I was trying to make was that George W. Bush was specifically reacting to bad PR against the Republican Congress. I agree they flinched and were in fact pretty much useless by 1998. Policy-wise, I would have liked to have seen more "excess."
Basil Plumley| 3.4.09 @ 10:17AM
Good points JWA
However, a couple of points about Newt.
From what I have read (and it makes sense) Newt did not delegate very well. He was certainly a great idea man but while he was speaker he did not delegate very well. Hence the uprising.
The other thing about Newt was his inability to master the soundbite. Words like "dying on the vine" were taken out of context and the "we went against the President because he put Dole and myself in the back of Air Force One on trip" hurt the credibility of the Conservative Agenda; it made us look petulant.
I like Newt alot but wasn't he the one who also said the Age of Reagan was dead. You would think he would learn from past faux pas.