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America’s New Theocracy
Liberals and the Gospel of Banning.
Welcome to America’s New Theocracy.
Please take a pew while we kneel reverently and pray the Gospel of Banning.
Guns. Soda. Salt. SUVs. Trans Fats. Plastic bags.
Have I mentioned:
Styrofoam.
Fracking.
The Bible.
Rush Limbaugh.
Conservative talk radio.
Fox News.
Plastic bags.
Smoking.
Shark fin soup.
Bacon.
Paper Bags
Oil.
Coal.
The internal combustion engine.
Incandescent light bulbs.
And don’t forget the Foie Gras.
One could keep going, but suffice to say these things are on the short list of things liberals in America either have banned or seek to ban. All with a religious fervor that puts those celebrating yesterday’s selection of Pope Francis to shame.
And these liberals think the Puritans were up tight?
At a certain point… have we reached a certain point?
One can only ask the obvious: What is going on in America when the once upon famous description “Banned in Boston” has now morphed into a quasi-religious liberal campaign to ban almost everything, almost everywhere?
The phrase “Banned in Boston,” it is good to remind, came originally because the literary work of one William Pynchon — that would be 1651’s The Meritous Price of Our Redemption (which is actually still sold on Amazon for a mere $111.00) — outraged the ruling Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony. Author Pynchon, a one-time treasurer of the colony, took aim at what he considered to be the colony’s theocratically minded ruling class. Suffice to say, his book was not appreciated by theocracy bosses. Nor was Pynchon, who was so scorned he eventually found himself on a boat for a one-way return trip to England a year after the publication of his book.
Pynchon’s book became the first of several centuries worth of literary works (and later, films) to be, literally, “banned in Boston,” although the actual phrase wasn’t coined until the 19th century. One Anthony Comstock, a moral crusader and creator of the New York Society for the Suppression of Vice, took it upon himself to become the watchdog of public morality. Comstock, a postal inspector by trade, persuaded Congress to enact what became known as the “Comstock Law” in 1873, in which it became illegal to send “obscene, lewd, and/or lascivious” material through the U.S. mails.
During his crusade Comstock discovered that he was receiving particularly strong support from the good citizens of Boston, the descendants of the banners of William Pynchon’s troublesome 1651 book. Boston was now regularly banning literary works the town fathers considered too racy. This included H.L. Mencken’s magazine The American Mercury. Mencken promptly showed up in 1926 Boston with a copy of his banned-in-Boston magazine in hand — and was just as promptly arrested. His case was dismissed by a local judge and the Sage of Baltimore sued the Boston group that had targeted him, winning on the grounds of restraint of trade. But banning rolled on in Boston, the tide finally turning with a 1966 U.S. Supreme Court case, Memoirs v. Massachusetts (the book was a 1749 hottie titled Fannie Hill: Memoirs of a Woman of Pleasure). The case clamped down on municipalities (read: Boston and any other localities similarly inclined) who took upon themselves the role of literary nanny.
But now?
Now, banning is back. Big time.
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Jeffrey Lord is a former Reagan White House political director and author. He writes from Pennsylvania at jlpa1@aol.com.
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Appleby| 3.14.13 @ 6:36AM
The one thing the Marching Mommies of both genders long to do is stride the world screaming "NO NO!" and slapping legal products out of the hands of consenting adults. Oddly enough there is a fair number of these Mommies whose own children run riot throughout the world, as their parents are terrified of reining them in and making them stop throwing their garbage on the floor or the ground (apparently MMs believe that anything you drop immediately vanishes from the world), kicking and elbowing people in adjoining seats, and shrieking at the top of their lungs in public places. In fact, the MMs do a lot of this themselves. My own hypothesis is that having lost control over their own world, both interior and exterior, they seek to impose order by force for the rest of us instead.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 8:41AM
Actually, Foie Gras was served at the Republican Party's Last Supper with the 1st Black America Haiting President for Life, the other night. So obviously they don't wanna Ban it. They just don't want US to have any.
The Goose Liver is just one thing, on a list of a Thousand Things that have been determined to be Verboten for the Masses. Some thing are better left to their Betters. The Left has always believed that humans are just Tools to be used until broken and then thrown away. And tools don't need nice things. Sacrifice is what they do best.
On the other hand...The Ruling Class has certain NEEDS, if they are to Create a Real Heaven on Earth, instead of that other one. The make believe one. Things like: A heavy Carbon Footprint. Big Houses, Big Cars, Big Private Jets, Big Heating and Cooling Units running 24/7 in their Big Houses. They need Veal and Steaks and Truffles flown in from France. They need the Finest Wines, the Finest Cakes, and they need Dolphin. Not the pieces in the Tunafish Cans. The WHOLE DOLPHIN.
Our Masters need a "Do as I say" attitude when it comes to their Subject's Diets. The people must be FORCED to get in to the right habits. No Red Meat. No Butter or Salt. Smaller portions and more Black Coffee. Eggs and Bacon are out of the question. No more Fried Foods and no more Whole Milk. It's for their own good.
If North Korea is to be the Final Destination and the Final Solution? Then the Human Chattel might as well start getting used to it.
JP| 3.14.13 @ 8:46AM
We will all end up in camps working for the Man while the loudspeakers blare the voice of Michelle Obama ordering us all to work harder.
c. j. acworth| 3.14.13 @ 9:13AM
Maybe so, JP, but look on the bright side. As another Great Leader once said...
"Arbieght Macht Frei"
Woodrow| 3.14.13 @ 10:41AM
Arbeit macht frei
soljerblue| 3.14.13 @ 7:26PM
Arbeit mach Frei. Verstehen sie?
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 11:40AM
Excellent point. They hypocrisy of these nanny-types is astounding. In a theatre, on a plane, at a restaurant, the inmates are running the joint and the nannies just can't seem to say NO to their own brats--they must instead control the masses through their fools in the legislature.
Is there anyone on the planet more disgusting than the pedantic fraud Bloomberg? He must have been the pussy everyone in school wanted to beat the snot out of. One in every class. Must be a lil guy suffering from the small-man complex.
gene| 3.14.13 @ 6:46AM
I mat starting smoking and drinking again just as a protest. Maybe not. I'll just have to be satisfied by defending those who want to do it.
Joellen| 3.14.13 @ 7:26AM
Gene, how right you are. How many folks have signed up with the NRA and/or bought guns, just to stick it to Big Sis or Bro.
I remember when "spoons dont make you fat, Rosie O'Donnell" punked Tom Selleck - that's when I joined the NRA.
Ironic that I cant protest the evils of abortion without being called a nazi, yet Pro Abortion Nannyberg doesnt see the irony of why I should have control over what I deem is good for me to eat or drink without his interference.
Does anyone wonder if they are not just totally, raving mad?
lmhawkins | 3.15.13 @ 2:49AM
Never have smoked in my life but am thinking of starting. At my age, I don't have to worry too much about long-term health issues. And it'd be a great way to get back at these controlling cretins.
Harry the Horrible| 3.17.13 @ 4:22PM
Only if you buy smuggled tax-free cigs. Otherwise, you're just feeding the beast...
Pecos Pete| 3.14.13 @ 6:46AM
The Constitution was written and accepted as a ban on Control. That's one ban I can totally agree with. The leftists/progressives are now working hard to ban the Constitution.
But, we ain't seen nothing yet. Wait until KingOcare hits the street.
Von Mises Jr| 3.14.13 @ 6:59AM
The liberals are the anti-Puritans of the Massachusetts Bay Colony on steroids. The prim and proper Puritans banished Anne Hutchinson and Roger Williams, the latter became President of the Colony of Rhode Island established for religious tolerance.
The MA Puritans ejected Quakers and Separatist from the colony and if they returned, the women were whipped bare-chested to the colony line. Eventually it led to a few hangings at which the Puritans outside the leadership finally rejected this practice.
Today we have Obama, Hillary, Hegel, Brennan and the rest of the regime that has declared America a "Secular" colony banning Catholics and Jews from practicing their religion and following their faith. Only they are worse since they do not wish for us to migrate to a place like Rhode Island, but to convert to godlessness upon pain of prosecution.
Von Mises Jr| 3.14.13 @ 7:21AM
To understand liberals, one must understand their philosophy, whether they actually do or not. It is not a coincidence that the dullest among us (like Obama and Perp) are truly convinced they are intellectually superior.
Auguste Comte (1798-1857) was a French Philosopher and his theory was "Positivism." He wrote that the scientist along with the Enlightenment "Age of Reason" philosophers had ended the Dark Ages. In doing so, they had rendered Christianity obsolete, null and void. Since Dogma no longer controlled the masses, he said that positive laws must be extensive and progressive to control man. He declared that in his new religion that we should worship "Humanity."
Nietzsche topped off this insanity by describing people as herd animals. He claimed that there were two moralities: one for the "Supermen" and one for the herd animals of mankind.
Supermen were to be feared, respected and obeyed. They may show kindness and mercy to the herd, but the herd morality forced them to comply. Hegel, although he used different terminology voiced the same ideas as he praised Alexander the Great of earlier times and his contemporary Napoleon since they were great figures in history. The people they killed, displaced, enslaved and bankrupted were considered immaterial just as Nietzsche expressed with his "herd" or what Rousseau called the "Noble Savage."
If our ignorant trolls are half as smart as they think that they are, perhaps they will learn something today. Nah!
JP| 3.14.13 @ 8:52AM
You may wish to reconsider Nietzsche. What he feared most that the West's apostasy was so deep that it could no longer sustain itself spiritually. He believed Science undermined not only a belief in God (see Also Sprach Zaratusthra), but would also lead to an inhumane world not worth living in. The "herd" as you referred to was actually a reference to the new human type he was evolving. This human type, butressed by science on the one hand, and an all encompassing social state on the other would produce The Last Man - a creature only concerned about his own comforts and nothing else.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 2:46AM
we've arrived JP
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 2:47AM
we've arrived JP
JP| 3.14.13 @ 8:58AM
Nietzsche saw this disolution (or, as he called it - the re-animalization of Man) in fin de siecle Germany. Nietzsche once quipped that more Germans read newspapers than their Bibles. Like the ancient Jews and Greeks, Nietzsche recognized the creative powers that religion held over society. The Christian West created Western Culture. Its decay, Nietzsche wrote, was a catastrophe. He saw nothing but civilized barbarism. His antidote, as you recognized was to totally dispense with Christianty (to go beyond Good and Evil) and recreate society anew. He understood this would be horrific, as all culture wars are. But, he saw no other option.
Von Mises Jr| 3.14.13 @ 10:50AM
Rousseau, Hegel and Nietzsche all had important contributions to philosophy.
Rousseau while dead wrong about the "Noble Savage" in that primitive man was pure and lived in cooperation with others also advanced ideas similar to Locke in his denouncing the rule of Monarchs.
Likewise, Hegel is renowned for his "spiritualism" that was an ideology of mind and spirit. It was corrupted by Marx who attempted to meld it with materialism in his Dialectical Materialism. Hegel also made some great contributions to the Theory of History in his concepts of original, reflective and the Philosophy of History.
Nietzsche was a contrarian thinker and revolutionary. At the same time, I found him obnoxious in "Beyond Good and Evil" in his constant degrading of old Kant, Descartes and Spinoza's mathematical approach.
That is the beauty of their work although I must admit I liked the opposing work of Kant as more important and agreeable.
But I say we should hold judgment until Perp weights in. He is a liberal and far superior in knowledge and intelligence than we.
If you are out there Caliban, please come to our rescue.
Job| 3.14.13 @ 11:50AM
I don't know how you fellows wade through all that verbal calesthenics. After attempting "Das Kapital" i stumbled upon the very digestible "Marxism, Philosophy and Economics" By Thomas Sowell and was so impressed with this mans ability to interpret verbal calculus that i wondered if he would do the same thing with Aquinas, Spinoza, Hegel, Kant and Neitzche for us idiots. Anyway my two cents. Happy Friday.
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 12:15PM
Our Leftist opposition rails against censorship, unless it is they doing the censoring. They are all about control as they believe in their Faith, that they are able to decide for we poor unenlightened plebs matters of morality and what is in our best interest. Hypocrites? Indeed yes. As a wise man once said, "If hypocricy were oil, this town (DC) would be Saudi Arabia."
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 1:46PM
They're always FOR everything their against.
Everything they DO, is what they're against.
They only get mad when somebody ELSE does it.
Contest at Monday's story on Wes Welker.
Kaminsky bailed.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 1:42PM
Though I'm not all that familiar with Neitzche's writings, he was my Favourite Middle Linebacker, when he played for the Packers.
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 1:48PM
Hmmm, let me think. The Packers as the Dem party. Powerful, ever changing and popular.
Von Mises Jr| 3.14.13 @ 2:21PM
Job...I did not have that book but I will soon....Thanks dude.
R Martin| 3.14.13 @ 7:29AM
“The internal combustion engine?” On the short list?
I was tempted to comment on Mr. Kaminsky’s “manhood” piece yesterday and will now. There is a relationship between the internal combustion engine and manhood, perhaps best described by Peter Egan of “Road & Track” magazine which equates the latter with the number of internal combustion cylinders a man owns. Stated simply, the more cylinders, the more manly. And cylinders are broadly defined, so if you have chain saws, lawn mowers, weed whackers, etc. they count the same as the cylinders in a V-12 Ferrari.
There is a warning here. If you lament the feminization of American males, don’t let the leftists near the internal combustion engine.
Pecos Pete| 3.14.13 @ 7:36AM
Ricky: E85 fuel must play in there somewhere.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 8:03AM
E85 fuel must play in there somewhere.
Metrosexual fuel for a metrosexual motor.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 10:25AM
I thought you were dead.
Pesco said that he Hoped you were dead.
At least, that's what KJack told me.
SUBVET| 3.14.13 @ 10:39AM
you miss spelled jack-off.......
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 10:43AM
Had to go out to Ft Sam to have a bunch of doctors tell me I'm unfit....something any lay person who has known me for 5 minutes, could have told them. But I ain't dead....yet.
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 12:15PM
Can we drink E85?
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 12:22PM
Yeah...but we gotta get rid of the gasoline component first...I't on my list of things to learn how to do when I finally retire. Gonna build a still too.
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 1:24PM
Which has the lower boiling point, gasoline or ethanol?
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 1:47PM
Ed Schultz.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 2:22PM
I dunno....I was gonna put water in the gas & let it absorb the alcohol...then skim off the gas & boil the alcohol out of the water. If that don't work....I'll send the old lady to the liquor store.
John Navratil| 3.14.13 @ 3:08PM
Al Adab,
Gasoline and alcohol do not mix. But gas, straight, ain't so bad!
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 3:49PM
In my car John, but not in a shot glass.
Long ago we used to drink a thing called an afterburner. Whiskey with Cognac (sometimes lighter fluid) floating on top. Light it with a match and drink. We thought we were really hot stuff.
That was in Ubon Thailand TLP.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 5:56PM
Were you in Ubon when Robin Olds was there?
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 5:56PM
along with "Whip" Wilson?
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 6:16PM
Mike:
I was assigned to the 8th TFW but got there after Col. Olds had left. Still, his reputation served as an inspiration. Were you there? I don't recall a Wilson.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 6:53PM
tpennell4@comcast.net
Al Adab.
Send me your Mailing Address and your Shirt Size, and I'll send you the nicest Veterans Shirt you've ever seen. Specify Red, White, or Blue. It's a 3 Button, Collar Golf Shirt.
I already sent one to Albert, SUBVET, mike 3/505, KennasawJack, and the Eskimo in Alaska, for his two Air Force buddies.
Sgt. TLP, United States Air Force, McGuire AFB 438th Airlift Wing, and home to the 21st Air Force Command.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 9:15PM
Big Al,
My Dad was there while Olds & Wilson were there. I wasn't as smart as my Dad or Pennell...so I went in the Army.
Regards,
Mike
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 1:49PM
Contest, tomorrow at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 2:50AM
ROFL
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 9:56AM
If you think about it the de-masculation of the American male is all about control as well. Can't control the kid in school, drug him up.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 10:36AM
You guys should check out that story about Wes Welker from Monday, on Friday.
We may have been Scratched from the Playbill at The Great White Tourist's vacant lot of a Blog, this Friday?
But, like Wes Welker, even though we didn't get to Win the Super Bowl? (Get a Prime Time Spot on this Third Tier Yellow Sheet) We'll continue to Soldier on, and to Hell with that Scrawny Brazillian SKANK - Giselle. (Guess)
See ya, Friday.
SaraB| 3.14.13 @ 7:34AM
Conservatives are always accused of banning books when asking for age-appropriate or non-pornographic materials be presented in schools. Perhaps it's time to speak out on who the true "book banner" are....Mr. Lord has given us some great examples to start with.
Denver Todd| 3.14.13 @ 9:22AM
If you want to experience banning for yourself, try taking a picture in a library.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 1:51PM
Or, you can just write something unflattering about the Black Community.
Gary B| 3.14.13 @ 7:53AM
If you want to see control and abuse of power run amok, sit in on a home owners association meeting. There you will see the urge to control others is part of human nature. The Founders knew that and put in place ingenious mechanisms to address it. And, true to form, addicted liberals have found ways around them. Liberals just can't stand the freedom of others. That they can't understand they're curtailing their own freedom in the process is a symptom of their mental disorder. They are the dumbest asses in the Universe.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 8:00AM
Actually, Foie Gras was served at the Republican Party's Last Supper with the 1st Black America Haiting President for Life, the other night. So obviously they don't wanna Ban it. They just don't want US to have any.
The Goose Liver is just one thing, on a list of a Thousand Things that have been determined to be Verboten for the Masses. Some thing are better left to their Betters. The Left has always believed that humans are just Tools to be used until broken and then thrown away. And tools don't need nice things. Sacrifice is what they do best.
On the other hand...The Ruling Class has certain NEEDS, if they are to Create a Real Heaven on Earth, instead of that other one. The make believe one. Things like: A heavy Carbon Footprint. Big Houses, Big Cars, Big Private Jets, Big Heating and Cooling Units running 24/7 in their Big Houses. They need Veal and Steaks and Truffles flown in from France. They need the Finest Wines, the Finest Cakes, and they need Dolphin. Not the pieces in the Tunafish Cans. The WHOLE DOLPHIN.
Our Masters need a "Do as I say" attitude when it comes to their Subject's Diets. The people must be FORCED to get in to the right habits. No Red Meat. No Butter or Salt. Smaller portions and more Black Coffee. Eggs and Bacon are out of the question. No more Fried Foods and no more Whole Milk. It's for their own good.
If North Korea is to be the Final Destination and the Final Solution? Then the Human Chattel might as well start getting used to it.
RAM| 3.14.13 @ 9:06AM
So we now know that liberals do believe in sin and punishment. However, since so many of the old sins are things they like to do, or even build entire lifestyles around, they need to invent new sins---the things they don't like to do. Anyone accusing them of an old sin can be counter-accused of a new sin.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 2:54AM
that's why being a "man" is a sin now, it's something they don't do
George S| 3.14.13 @ 9:27AM
You answer the question as why liberals ban things with control. But why do they want to control? Because in a constitutional republic, the people are sovereign and the government is comprised of state delegates representing their own interest with respect to freedom. If a federal government were to abide by the republic's constitution, they would be part time legislatures with day jobs since the powers of that government are limited and enumerated.
But throw in control of this and that, and the government has to expand to regulate and enforce those controls. New agencies are created with police powers. Those agencies then give the government the excuse to expand legislation in peripheral areas giving the government expanded oversight. Now the enumerated powers of the constitution become meaningless and government has now created a right to be free from the horrors that arise out of not controlling smoking (single payer health care), driving (global warming), amassing wealth (income inequality), firearms (you are against killing kids, right?) and other things that free people cannot be trusted with.
It is all done in the name of the People. As in the People's Republic of North Korea. Control all to protect the manufactured rights of others. And it all starts with banning things that impede on those "rights".
Drunken Sailor| 3.14.13 @ 11:35AM
I have a much simpler theory on Liberals and their drive for control.
Their lives suck and they know it. They are not happy but can't figure out why. Heaven forbid they point the finger at themselves so the problem must lie elswhere. So they seek to impose control to make their life happy. Any control over anything as long as they can feel they are empowered to satisfy that deep seated need for love, acceptance, and happyness.
Unfortunately they choose the wrong path and will search forever in vain of finding it.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 11:46AM
Their lives do suck. There is a local radio guy who mentions the FFLF which is the "Female Fun Limitation Factor." You know the type--the bitch who wants to wear the pants in the household, hence the need for Mancaves.
It really is all about contro and powerl. That seems to be the history of the world.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 11:47AM
control and power
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:04PM
You spelled "Connecticut Light and Power" wrong.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:00PM
"They're not happy bit can't figure out why."
I don't Bathe, I don't Wash My Hair, my face looks like Dennis Rodman's, I look like the Tattooed Woman at the Carnival, and I'll never have a Job. Why can't I get a Girlfriend.
I don't Bathe, I don't Wash My Hair, I don't Shave My Legs or my Armpits, I look like the Tattooed Woman at the Carnival, and I'll never have a Job. Why can't I get a Boyfriend.
It really is a Mystery.
gene| 3.14.13 @ 3:10PM
The issue is control. But do not think that it is a Liberal/Conservative issue only. The are plenty of Republicans who are into control, but of a diffferent variety and flavor. The Liberal's version of it is just more blatant and stupid.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 4:23PM
Contest tomorrow, gene, at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
pogybait| 3.14.13 @ 9:34AM
So what’s new...the American English is loaded with leftist euphemisms as well. The question still remains on how to convince gullible politicians and citizenry to see through this charade.
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 12:02PM
Check out National Review Online today. Chuck Schumer, a most vile leftist POS, if there ever was one, has a new 11th hour amendment to a piece of gun legislation entitled" Protecting Responsible Gun Sellers."
Who is the Orwllian troll sitting in the bowels of congress that comes up with these dastardly Orwellian names for bills that do precisely the opposite?? What is he paid? Why hasn't the sequester put him out of a job???
Yet our trolls will post here today in complete sympatico with Schumer and the vile left, yet we, the conservatives, are the banners.
All of leftism is Orwellian.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:03PM
One need look no further than The Affordable Healthcare Act.
Everything these Morons say, is the very definition of an Oxymoron.
TNcracker | 3.14.13 @ 9:13PM
My fave is "reproductive rights". Huh? Say what you mean: the right to shred a human being.
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 9:55AM
"In Arizona, the Arizona Book Banning and Burning Board, a division of the Arizona Department of Education..."
I hope Mr. Lord took the article his link references with a grain of not yet banned salt.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.14.13 @ 12:00PM
Yes, Jeffrey got fooled by a left-wing satirical attack on a house bill that outlawed far-left ethnic studies in schools. These ethnic studies classes were just platforms for anti-white, anti-American, Latino-victimhood, ethnic resentment propaganda. Paid for, of course, by white, American, largely Anglo-Saxon, Protestant taxes.
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 9:57AM
Ban the banning!
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:05PM
Contest, tomorrow at Monday's Wes Walker story.
PolishKnight| 3.14.13 @ 10:10AM
One thing the left and right agree upon, with different reasons, is banning porn and prostitution. Let's clarify that there are some forms of disgusting porn but the same can be said of many entertainment mediums (the best example would be Pink Flamingo). And yes, many women are oppressed by pimps but the textile industry also exploits its workers. (And don't get me started on the H1B program to import "professional" "highly educated" programmers from third world nations.)
For the right, banning porn and prostitution is about imposing so-called traditional values even as traditional values today are little different than porn and prostitution. Buying a woman a dinner and flashing money so she might have sex with you makes her an escort. It would have been considered tawdry by the standards of a 100 years ago. And wasting ones time watching porn? That's the the boob tube sells in the form of trashy programming and advertising to sell people stuff they don't need or would even naturally want.
412pepper44| 3.14.13 @ 10:17AM
Envy is not wanting what others have, it is wanting them not to have it and taking pleasure in the destruction of anything which it perceives as good, especially of what others perceive as good. This is the DNA of what I call the "Mess-With" gene, otherwise known throughout history as Evil.
Job| 3.14.13 @ 12:11PM
interesting version of sour grapes.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:08PM
It's called: Thou shalt not Covet, and: Shadenfruede.
Job| 3.14.13 @ 4:36PM
truefer
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 6:55PM
Contest tomorrow at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 6:56PM
And, you spelled "Twofer" wrong.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.14.13 @ 10:34AM
"In 1650, he wrote The Meritorious Price of our Redemption in which he "... condemned especially the doctrine that Christ suffered the wrath of God and the torments of hell to pay man's debt to his Creator."
http://www.bio.umass.edu/biolo.....nchon.html
Yes, the man's book was banned, but he was a heretic. He actually got off easy compared to what happened to other heretics in Europe.
"Wherefore if forgers of money and other evil-doers are forthwith condemned to death by the secular authority, much more reason is there for heretics, as soon as they are convicted of heresy, to be not only excommunicated but even put to death." (Thomas Aquinas, Summa Theologica, c. 1270)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heresy
Job| 3.14.13 @ 12:21PM
And Copernicus was a "heretic". Alway thought it interesting that you have to "hiss" to say "heresy"
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.14.13 @ 4:41PM
Was Copernicus a heretic? His book was later put on the Index, but I don't believe Copernicus was ever declared a heretic by the RC denomination.
gibbons et al.| 3.14.13 @ 10:40AM
I would like to add to the list of things that should be banned:
Boom boom speakers in trunks of cars
Super-loud mufflers
Viagra Commercials
Kim Kardashian
Paris Hilton
Hip-Hop
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 3:43PM
Gibbons:
I too am a bit tired of having to explain erectile disfunction, Viagra, Cialis, etc. to my eight year old grandchildren while we are watching a baseball game.
Minuteman78| 3.15.13 @ 8:29AM
Harry Reid
Barbara Boxer
Dianne Feinstien
Chuck Schumer
Chris Dodd
Nancy Pelosi
Alan Grayson
Debbi Wasserman-Schultz
Gabby Giffords
Hillary Clinton
Michelle Obama
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 10:42AM
America’s New Theocracy; Conservatives and the Gospel of Banning.
Gay rights
Gay marriage
Foreign languages
Abortion rights
Contraceptives
Labor unions
Voting rights
Atheists
Theory of Evolution
Science
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 11:17AM
Ah vtwin, our resident Village Idiot #2, has decided to enter the frey, when other trolls have fled!!
Don't forget vtwin, the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor on Dec 7, 1941, so we can still blame Bush for the Muslim Marxist's 5 years of disaster.
You and your fellow trolls do make the case for the theory of evolutionary recidivism.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 11:58AM
Bloomberg imposes a ban on 32oz sodas in New York City. And, what do conservatives do? They run to court spending hard earned money on lawyers. Why…fighting for individual freedom…standing up to Big Government? No. conservatives are just too stupid to realize you can buy TWO 16oz sodas.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 12:17PM
No. conservatives are just too stupid to realize you can buy TWO 16oz sodas.
No...liberals/statists, like vtwin, have so little experience working in real jobs, they don't realize that quik marts and other convenience stores like them don't "sell the soda;" they "sell the cups"...Bloomberg is essentially imposing a tax on consumers by making them buy additional cups.
Best thing for liberals to do, is be quiet and show some gratitude that the efforts of productive people, enable the existence of liberals.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 12:50PM
You do realize we are on the road to Socialized Medicine in this country? So, how are we going to afford to pay for the medical needs of all these sugar and caffeine addicted obese diabetes that drink 32oz of soda? The “cup tax” is a good start, right?
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 1:25PM
Bad move moron vtwin, typical brain-dead leftist, you've swerved into territory you don't want to go.
"How are we going to afford to pay for the medical needs of all these sugar and caffeine addicted obsese diabetics?
You might ask, " How are we going to afford to pay for the medical needs of AIDS patients for all these gays who engage in unprotected unsafe anal sex?
The "bath house admission tax" is a good start, right?
See moron, what leftism has caused??
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 1:28PM
Actually vtwin, you hit the problem head on. It is the welfare state which drives all the other issues as it requires all of us to pay for the wrong choices of other people. In a free society those individual choices would not matter.
BTW your list encompasses issues, none of them are rights.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:12PM
And, what about all of the Harm to the Environment that's involved with all of those extra Cups?
The Unintended Consequences never end with these people.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 3:13AM
but AA, THAT'S the problem with leftists, they cannot correctly sort a "right" from an issue
Because rights are so high in the cultural/political hierarchy they coopt the word and tag it onto every little pet peeve so it can be 'important'.
Butch| 3.14.13 @ 2:18PM
Not an argument against fat, old buddy: that's an argument against socialism. The less we use "we," the better, as far as I'm concerned. Then you won't have to worry about fat-caused medical costs, and Anthony and I won't have to worry about AIDS costs associated with homosexual behavior.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 3:03PM
Butch, if you and Anthony are worried about the "AIDS costs associated with homosexual behavior" let me suggest condoms.
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 5:09PM
Sorry troll vtwin, didn't you hear, former Surgeon General Joyclynn Elders said in the '90s wearing a condom on your head will not prevent AIDS.
And all these years you thought you were protected? Maybe Obozocare will still be able to treat you.
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:18PM
Cut off their EBTs and welfare payments.
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:21PM
The answer is to make wveryone healthier. Every AMerican should be required to get up at the same time every day and do 30 minutes of exercise. We can require every TV channel to carry a 3o minute workout so whatever channel you turn to you have to watch it. And, of course, to insure everyone is doing the work out we will need to install cameras in every home to monitor them Then follow it up with the "Two minute hate".
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:23PM
You act like people just come down with obesity and diabetes. They are overwhelmingly the result of lifestyle choices.
gene| 3.14.13 @ 3:17PM
My granparents came here at the turn of the previous century. Ireland and Italy. So one half did not even speak English. There was no Welfare, There was no Government Housing, There was no Unemployment, There were no Food Stamps, There was no Social Secuirty. There was no Medicare or Medicaid. They started working. They learned the language (if needed), they learned the Culture. The oldest on my mother's side is buried in Germany fighting for this country. This is not ancient history, but less than ONE HUNDRED YEARS ago. We need to return to our roots and stop all of the fornicating bovine scatology. (I wish I could translate that last line directly, but courtesy causes me to leave it as it is. I'm sure people can translate into the current vernacular!)
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 4:25PM
Contest tomorrow at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 12:31PM
Ah yes, the logic just keeps flowing from this atavistic retro throwback of evolution, to wit, vtwin.
"Bloomberg imposes"; problemo numero uno troll. Blumturd has no authority to impose, as a state judge correctly opined. Of course, this concept is entirely foreign to Marxist authoritarian wannabe goose-stepper such as yourself.
What's the fuss, just buy two, in order to get around something that should never have been banned in the first place?
Too many transfats for Bloomturd, no problem, just buy two helpings.
Too many people being shot with one gun with a 10 round clip capacity, no problem, just ban it and force people to buy two clips of 5 rounds.
Ah yes, leftist utopia!!
How about this, if trolls think there is too much individual freedom, just ban leftists and the problem is solved, or, we allow one vote for every TWO leftists.
Anthony| 3.14.13 @ 2:15PM
Bush sends unlawful enemy combatants captured overseas to GITMO, supported by prior Supreme Court decisions. And what do leftists do? They run to court spending hard earned money on ACLU leftist lawyers. Why.... fighting for America's freedom, standing up for America? No leftists are too stupid to realize we just should have shot them on the battlefield and been done with it.
I love playing vtwin, even for a few moments!!!
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:24PM
Just kill them and their families with Hellfire missiles launched from Predators. Problem solved.
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:17PM
Doubling the number of cups and cup lids going into the trash. Don't you care about the environment?
CJW| 3.14.13 @ 5:17PM
vtwin
Thanks for informing us that New Yorkers can avoid the law by buying two 16oz sodas. Wow, maybe they can even buy three or four, is that possible? They would not have known this if you had not told us.
You unwittingly proved how stupid and unenforceable the Bloomber law is, so why have such as law if even you agree it cannot be enofced?
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 3:42AM
to "feel good" because "they're doing something" [even if it is wrong]
Tom Kyba| 3.14.13 @ 11:49AM
Good morning Soros. Thanks for participating. Unfortunately you've used up all your straw men in one infantile attempt at "gotcha". It's ok, we understand you're operating with a large intellectual deficit.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 12:20PM
The banning of guns, soda [sugar], salt, trans fats, smoking, and bacon is also about saving “lives.”
The banning of SUVs, plastic bags, styrofoam, fracking, paper bags, oil, coal, the internal combustion engine, and incandescent light bulbs are about saving the environment which is also ultimately about saving “lives.”
And, the banning of the Bible, Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio, and Fox “News” all part of the war on misinformation would be my guess.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:27PM
Obviously, the Banning of Driving a Car, Flying on a Plane, Working in a Skyscraper, and Leaving your House in the Morning are next on the list of things that should be Banned, because every one of them, can get you killed.
And, you can throw in: Taking a Shower, because you might Fall. Having Stairs in your House, because you can Fall Down the Stairs. Taking Medication, Eating anything that hasn't been Puréed, Eating anything from a Kiosk or a Cart or a Restaurant, and Walking around the City at night. Taking a Bus to the Casino. Swimming. Riding a Motorcycle, and sitting in the stands at a Baseball Game, because you might take a Foul Ball to the head, or get whacked by a wayward Bat.
This how Stupid the vtwins of the world, are.
But, you already knew that, didn't you?
markenoff| 3.14.13 @ 2:29PM
First Amendment? What First Amendment?
Second Amendment? What Second Amendment?
I am pro-choice. I believe people should be able to choose whether to own guns, drink sodas, eat salt or trans fat, smoke and eat bacon.
I need my full size pick up so I can have room for the two car seats the government forces me to use for my children.
Choosing incandescent bulbs protects my children from the mercury in CFLs.
Once again vtwin demonstrates that those on the left who say they are "pro-choice" are really just pro kill unborn babies.
Banning abotion is all about saving lives.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 3:45AM
name one time the government banned something and it actually disappeared...
prohibitions are a fools errand and costly to boot
Robert| 3.15.13 @ 8:57AM
...and banning VTWINS would raise the level of discourse here immeasurably. Maybe a little nanny-state totalitarianism so applied wouldn't be so bad.
Jeff| 3.14.13 @ 11:54AM
vtwin...of the 10 things you list, eight are a fantasy...conservatives are not about banning gay rights, foreign languages, contraceptives, labor unions, voting rights (the latter a liberal thing) atheists, the Theory of Evolution or science (the latter not permitted by liberals in any discussion of climate change or abortion.) Abortion is about saving children's lives, and until liberals stop banning polygamy, group marriage, adultery and incest they have no argument on gay marriage.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 12:21PM
The banning of guns, soda [sugar], salt, trans fats, smoking, and bacon is also about saving “lives.”
The banning of SUVs, plastic bags, styrofoam, fracking, paper bags, oil, coal, the internal combustion engine, and incandescent light bulbs are about saving the environment which is also ultimately about saving “lives.”
And, the banning of the Bible, Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio, and Fox “News” all part of the war on misinformation would be my guess.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 1:08PM
"The banning of guns, soda [sugar], salt, trans fats, smoking, and bacon is also about saving “lives.” "
You wanna save lives, pal? How about mandatory helmet usage for all passengers in all vehicles, bikes, trikes, and for runners, walkers, lawn mowing, yard work, etc, etc.
How about a max speed of 30 MPH on the highways?
How about mandatory front, rear and side air bags for all vehicles?
How about we ban anything that could possibly harm you or your precious little brat so we all can feel safe?
You and your sick ilk literally want to remove all risk from life. Liberalism is a mental disorder and you are nothing but a useful idiot for their asinine policies.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 2:01PM
What’s with the anger?
I was just commenting on what Jeff wrote: "Abortion is about saving children's lives."
I’m assuming Jeff meant opposing abortion is about saving children's lives and that makes sense to me. So, I was simply pointing out what should be obvious to anyone, the limiting sugars in diet or not smoking is also about saving lives. If you consume unhealthy foods or smoke your children will probably consume unhealthy foods or smoke. If you have health problems because of a poor choice of diet or smoking your children will probably have health problems because of the same unhealthy choices learned from you. If you die prematurely your children will probably die prematurely too.
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:33PM
We're not angry.
You're just Stupid.
And, there's only so much Stupid that Non-Stupid People can take.
mike 3/505| 3.14.13 @ 3:38PM
+1
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 4:27PM
Contest at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
FREE DRINKS!
Al Adab| 3.14.13 @ 4:45PM
E85?
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 6:58PM
If you think you're Man enough.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 11:58AM
Gay rights?--no one is opposed to gays.
Gay Marriage--is an oxymoron. Calling a dog a cat does not make it one.
Foreign languages--no one is opposed. Just don't pander to people who don't speak English. America has accomodated hundreds of nationalities who didn't speak English. How did we survive 100 years ago?
Abortion Rights--It is the law of the land, dummy. Your sacred little right that dominates liberalism is not going away anytime soon.
Contraceptives--Nice try, see Abortion Rights.
Labor Unions--Nope, only PUBLIC lab0r unions.
Voting Rights--you're kidding, right? Name someone who was denied the right to vote?
Atheists--yeah, right.
Theory of Evolution--It is a theory. No one is in favor of banning it.
Science--only a poor confused lib could look at an ultrasound of a 12 week old fetus and deny there is any life there.
vtwin| 3.14.13 @ 12:54PM
No one is opposed to gays?
Inform yourself:
http://www.rightwingwatch.org/.....gay?page=1
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 1:58PM
There is a difference between opposition to gay marriage and opposition to homosexuality, but then again, nuance is not one of your attributes.
GobBluthe| 3.14.13 @ 3:13PM
Name those in the GOP who want to ban everything you listed except abortion and gay marriage.
JD| 3.14.13 @ 4:14PM
The defense of a natural right is not a ban, unless laws against rape and the murder of the already-born are also bans.
As for "gay marriage", to speak of opposing it as a "ban" is like speaking of "banning ObamaCare". Opposing the existence of a government program is not the same as supporting the existence of a government ban. They're closer to opposites!
Next he'll tell us that conservatives love "banning gun bans". And he'll expect us to consider such a thing "logical!"
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 3:08AM
gays don't have rights - people do
gay marriage is an oxymoron
abortion is not a right it's murder
labor unions are dying out for good reason
"voting rights" are usually voting wrongs
atheists have become flagrant fascists
conservatives believe in actual science not junk science like CAGW
welcome to planet Earth there vtwin. back on your meds again I see
Kwan| 3.14.13 @ 11:04AM
This banning is essentially a conditioning process whereby leftist control-freaks seek to eventually convince us that freedom creates many problems that could be avoided if the State can nullify those freedoms. Then once you subjugate your individuality and become part of the hive-collective that is controlled by the State all will be well. To avoid such an Orwellian future every Democrat Party Big Brother wannabe should be voted out of office, and their ideology should end up as the subject of a best-seller "The Rise and Fall of the American Left".
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 2:31PM
Contest at Monday's Wes Welker Story.
Kaminsky bailed.
JD| 3.14.13 @ 4:11PM
Orwell's "Freedom is slavery" - true freedom is achieved by eliminating freedom!
Petronius| 3.14.13 @ 11:41AM
Once more: Roob Think in action and Law. What do people want to ban? Regardless of polemics it's what they "Don't LIKE." Ask Donna Shalala. "We are social engineers. And WE are going to change Everything WE Don't LIKE." First they changed Degree of knowledge and competence by preventing the acquisition of same to those who don't agree with Them. Then they made their list and are now crossing it off. This is why perverts can pack fudge but not enjoy a cigarette after. And free condoms get doled out along with the old tobacco subsidy. Who knows what Clinton does with his stogies these days, but I digress. Instead we have this from Lord Carlisle. "Democracy is a process of cancellations, the net result of which is zero." AlGore will take it from here until he and Bloomberg ban the fan because their crap will eventually hit it.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 12:06PM
Funny how the libs all hate cigarettes, but keep passing pro-marijuana laws. That smoke must really be getting to them. The only question is--where are they going to be actually allowed to smoke their weed? Talk about painting themselves into a corner.
Petronius| 3.14.13 @ 3:26PM
They want to ban cigarettes because Altria doesn't sell Their weed.
scotchieguy| 3.14.13 @ 12:07PM
Funny how the libs all hate cigarettes, but keep passing pro-marijuana laws. That smoke must really be getting to them. The only question is--where are they going to be actually allowed to smoke their weed? Talk about painting themselves into a corner.
GobBluthe| 3.14.13 @ 3:15PM
Or how liberals hate marriage but only if the people getting married are hetrosexual
sickofit5| 3.14.13 @ 12:29PM
Let's ban everything they want to ban, 10million unemployed oil and gas workers. Do you think that they give any consideration to the number of people that would lose their job. Short answer, yes. That would result in more of us being dependent on them. I don't have any problem with N.Y. not wanting fracking in their state. In return, they should not be able to benefit from the cheap gas that other states are producing.
Butch| 3.14.13 @ 2:27PM
Can't wait for the "scientific studies" which, in the "consensus" of "settled science" conclude that second-hand pot smoke is harmless to the non-smoker!
Guimo| 3.14.13 @ 1:23PM
Liberals are for anything--and I mean anything--as long as it is mandated by statute, ordinance, rule, or regulation.
wademcinnis| 3.14.13 @ 2:47PM
Which is exactly why the healthcare act is so important.
When the government is "paying" for everyone's healthcare there will be myriad reasons/excuses to ban all kinds of activities under the guise that the consequences of these actions will cost the givernment excessive money. (my favorite typo that has become a written malapropism).
Look at the British NHS - there are regulations of how much stuff you can have on your front stoop since one could trip and fall and, etc, etc, etc. ...
It is an ingenuous back door to total control.
Petronius| 3.14.13 @ 3:37PM
One local council in the UK wouldn't allow a Veterans parade in the High Street because one of them might fall and get hurt.
And this week the Scottish Parliament wants to ban the possession of air rifles. The only shooting there now is driven grouse at 3-5 thousand Pounds per gun per day or sporting clays at Glen Eagles.
gene| 3.14.13 @ 3:22PM
My granparents came here at the turn of the previous century. Ireland and Italy. So one half did not even speak English. There was no Welfare, There was no Government Housing, There was no Unemployment, There were no Food Stamps, There was no Social Secuirty. There was no Medicare or Medicaid. They started working. They learned the language (if needed), they learned the Culture. The oldest on my mother's side is buried in Germany fighting for this country. This is not ancient history, but less than ONE HUNDRED YEARS ago. We need to return to our roots and stop all of the fornicating bovine scatology. (I wish I could translate that last line directly, but courtesy causes me to leave it as it is. I'm sure people can translate into the current vernacular!)
JD| 3.14.13 @ 4:09PM
I was wondering what the Leftists were going to say to this article. Actually disappointing.
I expected a lot of their usual "but what we're banning is bad, so it's good to ban it!" But none showed up to say that, which of course, isn't a counter-argument to the fact that they love banning at all.
Instead we get vtwin falsely arguing that conservatives also ban. He does this with a common liberal fallacy - that "immoral" is equivalent to "illegal". Thus when conservatives call something "immoral", he accuses them of wanting to ban it even if they aren't proposing to.
Then he adds a healthy dose of Leftist redefinition, declaring that conservatives want to "ban science" simply because we disagree with fallacies that Leftists call "science". Same with his use of "rights". He knows full well that we disagree on what rights are, and on what good science is, but he chooses to lie and say that we oppose the concepts in the abstract.
All in all, disappointing conversation.
Jack London| 3.14.13 @ 5:11PM
You obviously missed vtwin when he said the below. As for you and science, you are clearly a member of the Flat Earth Society, and twice as stupid as the average member.
"The banning of guns, soda [sugar], salt, trans fats, smoking, and bacon is also about saving “lives.”
The banning of SUVs, plastic bags, styrofoam, fracking, paper bags, oil, coal, the internal combustion engine, and incandescent light bulbs are about saving the environment which is also ultimately about saving “lives.”
And, the banning of the Bible, Rush Limbaugh, conservative talk radio, and Fox “News” all part of the war on misinformation would be my guess."
TLP| 3.14.13 @ 7:01PM
And, the Banning of YOU, could only help this site.
wrlord| 3.14.13 @ 7:06PM
"IT." "suffice IT."
And I have no problem with banning shark fin soup. It's barbaric.
obadiah| 3.14.13 @ 7:53PM
The threat is Leftist Theocracy. Nothing else. No problem with a government by and for wealth-concentrating oligarchs in Goldman Sachs, the War Department, energy industry and MPAA. No problem with robotized education that enslaves the next generation. No problem with chemical food designed for shelf-life and profits. The only problem is leftist Theocracy. Over here, folks! Don't look at the collapsing civilization. Look at the Theocracy!
Belianis | 3.14.13 @ 9:00PM
Banning was extremely popular in South Africa during the Apartheid era.
Mnestheus| 3.15.13 @ 12:17AM
And let us not forget that scientists are banned from interjecting unwanted facts by the true believers who operate know-nothing climate blogs endorsed by the likes of Rush & Glen.
chuck in st paul| 3.15.13 @ 3:52AM
one of my favorite quotes:
" Liberal: a power worshipper without power. " - George Orwell
and this one:
'The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.' - Ronald Reagan.
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Peter Lyden| 3.15.13 @ 2:22PM
Mr. Lord: You have left us conservatives open to ridicule by swallowing the Arizona Bible banning satire story as the truth. I mean, it's pretty obvious - at least as obvious as The Onion declaring chairman Kim of North Korea one of the world's sexiest men.
Please be more careful about where you point your outrage. It 's hard enough out here as it is.