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A Further Perspective
The Immigration Ploy
This is all about getting the Hispanic vote this November — but what about after November?
President Obama’s latest political ploy — granting new “rights” out of thin air, by Executive Order, to illegal immigrants who claim that they were brought into the country when they were children — is all too typical of his short-run approach to the country’s long-run problems.
Whatever the merits or demerits of the Obama immigration policy, his Executive Order is good only as long as he remains president, which may be only a matter of months after this year’s election.
People cannot plan their lives on the basis of laws that can suddenly appear, and then suddenly disappear, in less than a year. To come forward today and claim the protection of the Obama Executive Order is to declare publicly and officially that your parents entered the country illegally. How that may be viewed by some later administration is anybody’s guess.
Employers likewise cannot rely on policies that may be here today and gone tomorrow, whether these are temporary tax rates designed to look good at election time or temporary immigration policies that can backfire later if employers get accused of hiring illegal immigrants.
Why hire someone, and invest time and money in training them, if you may be forced to fire them before a year has passed?
Kicking the can down the road is one of the favorite exercises in Washington. But neither in the economy nor in their personal lives can people make plans and commitments on the basis of government policies that suddenly appear and suddenly disappear.
Like so many other Obama ploys, his immigration ploy is not meant to help the country, but to help Obama. This is all about getting the Hispanic vote this November.
The principle involved — keeping children from being hurt by actions over which they had no control — is one already advanced by Senator Marco Rubio, who may well end up as Governor Romney’s vice-presidential running mate. The Obama Executive Order, which suddenly popped up like a rabbit out of a magician’s hat, steals some of Senator Rubio’s thunder, so it is clever politics.
But clever politics is what has gotten this country into so much trouble, not only as regards immigration but also as regards the economy and the dangerous international situation.
When the new, and perhaps short-lived, immigration policy is looked at in terms of how it can be administered, it makes even less sense. While this policy is rationalized in terms of children, those who invoke it are likely to do so as adults.
How do you check someone’s claim that he was brought into the country illegally when he was a child? If Obama gets reelected, it is very unlikely that illegal immigrants will really have to prove anything. The administration can simply choose not to enforce that provision, as so many other immigration laws are unenforced in the Obama administration.
If Obama does not get reelected, then it may not matter anyway, when his Executive Order can be gone after he is gone.
Ultimately, it does not matter what immigration policy this country has, if it cannot control its own borders. Whoever wants to come, and who has the chutzpah, will come. And the fact that they come across the Mexican border does not mean that they are all Mexicans. They can just as easily be terrorists from the Middle East.
Only after the border is controlled can any immigration policy matter be seriously considered, and options weighed through the normal Constitutional process of Congressional hearings, debate and legislation, rather than by Presidential short-cuts.
Not only is border control fundamental, what is also fundamental is the principle that immigration policy does not exist to accommodate foreigners but to protect Americans — and the American culture that has made this the world’s richest, freest, and most powerful nation for more than a century.
No nation can absorb unlimited numbers of people from another culture without jeopardizing its own culture. In the 19th and early 20th century, America could absorb millions of immigrants who came here to become Americans. But the situation is entirely different today, when group separatism, resentment, and polarization are being promoted by both the education system and politicians.
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Bill Hussein O'Stalin| 6.19.12 @ 6:17AM
Our President cares not about the law or the Constitution. It's a dangerous trend.
Von Mises Jr| 6.19.12 @ 10:56AM
Bill, this boils down to the foundation of our Republic and Constitution, and especially our Declaration of Independence.
We declare our "unalienable rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness." That means that our rights come from God. This dates back to 1215 to the Magna Charta.
ObaMao has unofficially declared himself a god. He grants rights and he can take them away. Hispanics 16-30, winner. NBP Party, winner. Gay marriage, winners. Chrysler bond holders, losers. Small business, losers. George Zimmerman, loser.
At least the Hispanics 16-30, NBP Party and gay couples are winners for now. But they are probably too ignorant to realize that they could be losers tomorrow. And when they too become the proletariat, they will be.
Perhaps they will understand when the government alarm goes off and they climb out of the cot in their "stack and pack" government apartment to report for their government factory job. So your sixt-five? Perhaps the Sebelius sleepy pill is a better option. It is the equivalent of "Boxer" in "animal Farm" who "will work harder" until they send him to the glue factory.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 11:11AM
The president is foresworn and in continual violation of his oath of office and the Constitutional directive that the executive see that the laws are "faithfully executed". He does not have the luxury (or the dictatorial power) to ignore or change laws at his whim. Whatever the merits of this ostensible policy change may be, his action is violative of our sytem of government. Does this give rise to the "destructive of these ends" clause of the declaration or the "alter or abolish" clause is a matter of debate, but it clearly is outside his power.
Aristocat| 6.19.12 @ 11:21AM
Good article by Dr.Sowell...
If people enter this country illegally, that's their problem. It's not up to us to legalize them through
amnesty. The public has spoken loud and clear on this issue when Bush and McCain tried it. Now it's time to stuff Obama on his unconstitutional power grab. Unfortunately, neither Boehner, McConnell, or Romney have to courage to do so.
Stephanie| 6.19.12 @ 11:54AM
What are the spineless Republican guard afraid of? Going after the first mulatto president? Being called 'raaaaacist"?
Cowards, all.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 1:18PM
Republicans, the GOP will fail the Conservative Movement every time. Once again their nominee is no Conservative, but what choice does the Movement have? The accomodationist wing of the GOP comprised of Dewey, Ford, Dole, McCain, et al are those we followed to defeat. Others include Rockefeller and G. Romney and no doubt M. Romney. Only when the Movement is in the ascendancy does the GOP prevail, yet they oppose and reject Conservatives every time. They accept the administrative, social-welfare state as legitimate so of course they appear spineless. Those who fail to stand for something, stand for nothing.
MK48| 6.19.12 @ 7:28PM
Columnist Andrew McCarthy gives us what probably is the most important
question regarding the upcoming presidential election….
“…..if Mitt wins the nomination, as seems very likely, I will
enthusiastically support his candidacy. For my friends who have
hesitation on that score, I’d just ask you to keep four things in
mind:
Justice Scalia just turned 78
Justice Kennedy will turn 78 later this year
Justice Breyer will be 76 in August
Justice Ginsburg turned 81 about a week ago.
We wish them all well, of course, but the brute fact is that whoever
we elect as president in November is almost certainly going to choose
at least one and maybe more new members of the Supreme Court — in
addition to hundreds of other life-tenured federal judges, all of whom
will be making momentous decisions about our lives for decades to
come.
If you don’t think it matters whether the guy making those calls is
Mitt Romney or Barack Obama, I think you’re smokin’ something funky….”
So for anybody who is thinking of not voting because your favorite
didn’t get nominated, or writing in a candidate who can't win...
Imagine this:
SUPREME COURT JUSTICE ERIC HOLDER
Oregon mom| 6.19.12 @ 11:21PM
Wow, MK48! That last line was a HUGE reality check. Hope everyone got the message. Thanks.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 3:19PM
Every column by Dr. Sowell, is a great article.
It has to be.
He's Thomas Sowell.
Boar Hunter| 6.19.12 @ 11:22AM
And once again the republicans do...nothing.
Continued lawlessness, violations of the constitution and not one word.
Romney camp, crickets.
Can this brain trust not come up with one single argument against anything Obama does?
The Big E| 6.19.12 @ 11:59AM
"He does not have the luxury (or the dictatorial power) to ignore or change laws at his whim."
He does nobody does anything to stop him exercising such power. He does if everyone simply goes along with his illegal promouncements, either because they benefit from them or because they want the trouble of confronting them.
Obama has whatever power "We the People" will allow him to have, and right now, by refusing to stand up to his illegal promouncements, "We the People" are giving him all the power he wants.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 3:51PM
E:
"All that is required for evil men to succeed is that good men do nothing." Yet, "Why stand we here idle?" as Patrick Henry asked, albeit in slightly different context. Suppose a failure at the ballot box, what alternatives remain?
vab| 6.19.12 @ 6:27AM
Another very big difference regarding integration today is the ease with which current immigrants can continue to live in their home culture thanks to modern communication. Books, papers, TV, and movies from all over the world can be accessed.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 6:47AM
I have a question.
If this Piece of Sh*t can make Law, out of thin air, like this, through Executive Order? Why hasn't this been done with ANWAR?
Are you telling me that this Ccksckr can ram Socialized Medicine up our asses, with a back room slight of hand maneuver - (Reconciliation) - thereby sidestepping the REAL WAY bills get passed, and now, New Immigration Law, and then, who knows WTF else, with just a wave of his pen, but REPUBLICANS can't get a Drill Bit into the Frozen Tundra of a Deserted Wasteland, in Alaska, 100 miles from the nearest tree?
ARE YOU FCKING KIDDING ME?!
We need some Big Changes in this Party.
Glenn Beck says that Obama is a Coward.
Oh, really?
I say that he KNOWS what he wants to do. Be it for Good, or for Evil, HE HAS A PLAN, and he never apologizes for it, he never takes a step backwards, and he goes after it withe everything he's got, by any means neccessary.
While, up in Alaska, a plot of Frozen Nothing, the size of Dulles Airport, sits empty. The Millions of Barrels of Oil, it possesses, lies there, untapped. All of the JOBS it would provide, remain just a dream.
And, why?
Because we have people Representing us who believe that The Process is the thing. The Decorum of the Institution. The Pomp, and the Circumstance of it all, is all there is. Even as the other side Beats their brains in with a Lead Pipe, all the time. SH*TS on The Rules, and wipes their Asses with the Constitution.
Hello?
mike 3/505| 6.19.12 @ 9:35AM
Tim,
The answer is, The Federal Government has absolute control over the money...yours, mine and the Oil Companies'. That is how Bureaucrats and ultimately POTUS exert absolute control. If any big company...even a small one for that matter, has the temerity to tell the EPA to F&*% Off, all it takes is a phone call to have all of that company's assets frozen. Think IRS. The governments control the banks and the banks in turn, control us.
Regards,
Mike
mike 3/505| 6.19.12 @ 9:38AM
You want to see the Feds go absolutely insane...on both sides of the aisle? Let some sort of alternative method of exchange start getting traction in the US.
Boar Hunter| 6.19.12 @ 11:24AM
I have a vague memory of some area of the country doing just that. It was actually an alternate currency.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 5:30PM
Article I Sec. 10: States may only make gold or silver coinage legal tender. So there we are. Open a state owned mine and get busy. Really not a bad idea.
Shadow| 6.19.12 @ 11:44AM
The time is fast approaching for that kind of desperate measure. If those who have the ability to stop the tyrants from taking over our country and stealing our wealth and freedom will not act, we must. Resourceful people will find peaceful ways.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 2:02PM
I'm talking about when REPUBLICANS control the White House.
mike 3/505| 6.19.12 @ 7:58PM
I saw Tim...That's why I said"...on both sides of the aisle..." Both sides want control. Republican doesn't necessarily mean Conservative.
Regards,
Mike
BTims86| 6.19.12 @ 7:25AM
"No nation can absorb unlimited numbers of people from another culture without jeopardizing its own culture. In the 19th and early 20th century, America could absorb millions of immigrants who came here to become Americans. But the situation is entirely different today, when group separatism, resentment, and polarization are being promoted by both the education system and politicians."
Words to live by. Laaaatinos, Mooooslims and other want to re-populate the United States with "their people".
Time for a 10-20 year immigration reduction or even an immigration "time-out". There is no need to import half the world, espeically in a lousy economy with high unemployment expected to last a long time.
Alej| 6.19.12 @ 9:08AM
In the 19th and early 20th centuries, most immigrants were from Europe. Even then, too many was too many. Now, the crap of the Third World is being forced upon America.
Time to shut it all down, except for people PROVEN to be able to add something to our culture, the culture of Old America.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 2:10PM
Immigration Act of 1965. Put in place by an unmitigated POS, by the name of Ted Kennedy, who is, as we speak, interred at Arlington National Cemetary, where he should be unceremoniously DUG UP, and be dragged behind a truck, to the nearest Landfill.
The idea that his Traitorous rotting corpse should be in the same Hallowed Ground reserved for America's Greatest Heroes, is a DISGRACE OF THE HIGHEST ORDER.
Dig him up!
Put him with the rest of the GARBAGE.
Joellen| 6.19.12 @ 8:16AM
BTims 86, the bigger problem is for over 39 years we have aborted close to 60 million Americans. No youth to come up and obtain jobs, buy homes, and start their own families. We are reaping the consequences of the sin of Abortion. Until we can acknowledge how grave a sin it is, we will NEVER be able to achieve greatness in this country again.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 8:27AM
And, you aren't concerned about the millions of child bearing age killed in wars, the death penalty, lack of health insurance, hospital errors, etc. after we've invested our blood, treasure and time to raise them? Who are you to judge anyway? You certainly are not God.
Alej| 6.19.12 @ 9:10AM
He said "bigger, " not "biggest." Difference between comparative and superlative.
You certainly are not educated.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 1:53PM
You're comment has no relevance. Nor does your ridiculous jibe at me - as if.
Joellen| 6.19.12 @ 9:14AM
Yes PUKE, aka Purp, I want all to be killed in wars, the death penalty, no one to have health insurance, no clean air, you know your typical twisted, misrepresentation of facts. As for judging, which you Liberals/Progessive live for, I will do with what the Holy Spirit has provided to me, to use Right Judgement, Discernment, Wisdom and Knowledge. So, though you are right this only time, with your last point, AM NOT GOD, Abba Father has graced me with these gifts, which I am obligated to use. So Puke/Purp, take your fake talking points and flush them in the toilet. They dont and never will sell here where people actually have souls and minds they use wisely.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 1:58PM
Oh, so the problem is you don't want to pay for anything, is that it?
As far as the Holy Spirit, you aren't the only one that follows what has been provided. You aren't the arbiter of all things Holy, so take that holier-than-thou attitude and put it where the sun don't shine.
These are my thoughts, not talking points that the right-wing tells me to preach or that a Church commands me to think. Apparently, not the case for you and yours.
Your right-wing dogma is not wise, it is promulgated by people that want to control you, and so they have by convincing you they are right, using any and all means to persuade you. They control you to make their money off of you, so you blame everyone but them for your ills, your suffering, your complaints of any kind. It's quite remarkable, but it has been done before - in the 1930's. Sad, but true - and you don't see it. You just all fall in line like good little bundists.
Joellen| 6.19.12 @ 5:28PM
"You arent the arbiter of all things Holy, so take that holier-than-thou attitude and put it where the sun dont shine". Aah Puke/Purp, spoken like a true whinnie dolt of the progessive left. BTW, you as usual have it mixed up, it is not the conservative who is controlled, it is you and your ilk, who wants the nanny government to bathe you burp you and put you to bed. Good night!
Purp| 6.20.12 @ 6:42AM
And, yet, you all parrot the same phrases heard on Fixed News and follow the same dogma right along with the rest of the right-wingers. "Government is the problem" and "Community is bad" - wonder how the Founders felt about your dogma?
Shadow| 6.19.12 @ 11:46AM
"Who are you to judge anyway? You certainly are not God."
Obama is not GOD either but believes he is our god. He has become the judge, jury, and executioner of all American prosperity and safety.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 1:59PM
A little extreme, don't you think? Do you wake up each day giving thanks to all things Obama?
Shadow| 6.19.12 @ 2:13PM
Yes, the situation Obama has created by ignoring the Constitution is calling for extreme courage to stop him. Too bad we have cowards in Congress.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:15PM
Ignoring the Constitution is a art mastered by the Republicants while at the same time professing adherence to it just the same. It isn't for the corporation, by the corporation and of the corporation after all.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 8:23AM
"President Obama's latest political ploy -- granting new "rights" out of thin air, by Executive Order, to illegal immigrants .... " - Wrong, as usual. This was NOT an Executive Order. It's a prosecutorial administration by the Homeland Security Dept to st0p deporting young people under age 30. Apparently, you aren't as learned as you think you are. If you're going to make an argument, at least get your facts straight dummy.
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 10:15AM
As ususal, our resident Obama suck up, the Purpie, the street lawyer, thinks it it a big deal that this is not a formal executive order YET.
Obama has instructed Homeland Security and Justice Dept to not prosecute the favored potential and actual voters under age 30. Isn't this age discrimination, Purpie, to prosecute those over 30 but not under 30? There will and should be a class action for all those illegals who are Americans in their mind but not on paper, as Obama referes to illegals. It is only fair to treat all illegals the same, right?
What's next, don't prosecute welfare fraud or drug laws to attract more voters?
This is what Obama said:
"They are Americans in their heart, in their minds, in every single way but one: on paper,” President Obama said in announcing the new policy in the White House Rose Garden on Friday. He said he was taking “a temporary stopgap measure” that would “lift the shadow of deportation from these young people” and make immigration policy “more fair, more efficient and more just."
So this is the new test for citizenship, Are you an Ameridan in your mind? How would Obama answer this question?
Von Mises Jr| 6.19.12 @ 10:36AM
CJW, I would not waste my time with Jefferson Perp the troll. He is as worthless as a teat on a bull.
We have doctors comment on this site that heal people. We have business people that build products. I was a sales guy that provided the services of a merchant.
Perpy Jefferson is a freaking troll.What does that mean? What does he add to GDP? What is his contribution to society other than hate, greed and envy?
His product is communism. He is a leach. He is a fool with tourette syndrome. Ignore it.
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 11:39AM
As ususal, you are correct Von.
But, Purpie serves one useful function, to spout the lefty Obama line of the day, and then any of the regulars here can respond to point out how silly, illogical, and absurd it is. It is difficult to ignore, sort of like low hanging fruit.
Obama knows Romney will beat him. This immigration law made unilaterally by the prophet Obama shows he is depsperate. He believes Rubio will be the VP nominee and rushed to make this illegal law to blunt Rubio's appeal to Hispanics.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:08PM
Of course, you are wrong as usual. Diatribes against me (which you should get by now it doesn't work) doesn't change the fact that you can't deport 12 million people, period. And your buddies in the Republicant Senate simply refuse to pass the Dream Act throughout Obama's term, even those that were for it before Obama was. So, as the great and powerful leader that he is, he took the matter into his own hands. And he will be rewarded for it. Obama 2012.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 2:12PM
Sure you can.
One at a time.
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 4:28PM
According to Purpie, the "great and powerful leader" can pass a law when the Congress does not. What section of the Consitution states that?
You sound like the North Korean flacks talking about the "great and powerful leader.
Why didn't your leader pass Dream Act when he had a Dem Senate and Dem House for 2 years, and it did not matter what the Republicans did because they were the minority?
He is desperate for votes, and will violate the constitution for votes.
But he will lose in a landslide, Purpie, and you will then have to find a real job.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:21PM
The Constitution doesn't contain all laws, procedures, rules and regulations that organize, standardize and provide for reasonable running of the country. Surely, you knew that?
As far as the Dream Act when the Dems supposedly had the Dem Senate and House - Yes, the House passed it. The Senate did not - why not? Because Republicant Senators (7 of them) voted against while before Obama they were for it. The Latino population knows, even if you don't who stopped it. Ever hear of the Filibuster, Chuckles? Go learn how the minority can stop legislation with the filibuster, will ya?
I don't need another job - I am handsomely paid to upset just you. It is on my timecard - how did you p'o' CJW today.
Korean flack? You mean like the Great and Wonderful Ronald "the doddering old fool " Reagan?
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 6:36PM
Dimwit Purp,
The Constitution sets forth the procedure to pass laws, remember, Congress passes a bill and the president signs it?
There is no provision for allowing a "great and powerful leader" to enact under the guise of not prosecuting violators the law Congress refused to pass. It does matter why the Dream Act did not pass because it did not pass and that does not give any president the power to ignore the Constitution. You like it because you are an Obama flack, but you will not like it when a Republican president will do the same.
Just remember when Romney is president he can do the same under the Obama "great and powerful leader" exception to the Costitution.
What do you mean the Dems supposedly had the Senate? Dems had the House, Senate, and Obama for the first two years, idiot. They could have passed it if they wanted.
You don't upset me. Tell your boss to send someone smarter so we at least have a challenge to debate. But with you we don't have to listen to the MSM, MSNBC, and the rest. We can get the unhinged lefty slant with your comments.
So, stay. You have only six more months and then you have to get a real job.
P..S. Is your boss providing health insurance and a pension for your feeble attempts to "annoy?"
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 7:47PM
NO they didn't have both the Senate with 60 votes and the House. They had the House majority, but without 60 votes, they could not stop the Republicants filibusters. for a few months they did have 60, after Franken won in May and before Kennedy died - except they also had Ben Nelson and Blanche Lincoln, both DINOs.
Go learn how a bill gets passed, will ya?
Oh, and lest you forget, GW Bush used over 700 "signing statements" whereby he DECIDED what laws passed he would execute and what parts he wouldn't. So blame your own side for showing how to do it.
Boar Hunter| 6.19.12 @ 11:32AM
Why, why dear sir are you arguing with this lunatic. Examine the idiocy of what he just claimed and ask yourself if you honestly think his mind will be changed about anything using fact or logic.
For the love of all that is right and good, I wish people walking by would quit kicking the fence of that yapping dog Purp. All it does is set him off on one of his ceaseless fits of useless cacophony.
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 12:17PM
BH,
You have to admit it is fun and easy.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:10PM
Truth to power is a tough thing to do. But I have to do it. You are another person who cannot argue a point, because you are soooo convinced you are right, there is no room for truth. It doesn't change that you are not right, and your way produces a stratified, less civil and less powerful America.
Truth to Power| 6.19.12 @ 3:29PM
" I wish people walking by would quit kicking the fence of that yapping dog Purp. "
You know what happens to dogs that hang around the White House. Tastes like chicken. A dog eater will never bring us together as a people.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:04PM
"According to one of the first press reports to break this important story, the new Obama policy is cut and dry. Federal immigration officials do not have to deport illegal aliens if they are enrolled in any type of education program, if their family members have volunteered for U.S. military service, or even if they are pregnant or nursing." It's not ALL under 30 and they also have to prove they have been here over 5 years or more.
Get over it, it's happening, and it's the right thing to do. Or would you prefer Ronald Reagan's outright Amnesty for all?
http://www.teapartytribune.com.....ive-order/
It's not an executive order. You can look them up, it's easy ... and be happy.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 2:13PM
He is in VIOLATION of the Law of the Land.
You can spin it anyway you want, but that is the FACTS.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:25PM
Sorry, "when the President does it, it isn't illegal". Oh, that's right, one of your boys said that, tsk, tsk. Go ask GW Bush about his over 700 violations of legislation (LAW) he described as " signing memos" , where he ignored parts of legislation he did not like and would not uphold. Go talk to him about it. Guess you're wrong again. But NOW you're concerned. Too bad, so sad - you can't do a thing about it.
CJW| 6.19.12 @ 6:38PM
Sure we can, we are going to vote O out and win by a landslide. I hope O keeps doing what he is doing. He is our best campaigner.
Louis Jenkins| 6.19.12 @ 8:37AM
Kicking the can down the road. How many times have we heard this? To be honest, I don't see how the president, or congress, can kick this much garbage anywhere anymore. And this presidential directive, well, it certainly ain't nothing but garbage.
benny havens| 6.19.12 @ 8:51AM
For over 50 years US corporations have been transferring their manufacturing operations to low cost centers around the world. In the most recent past they have been opening operations in Mexico. This move has helped the Mexican people pull their way out of abject poverty.
The illegal nationals storming across our southern border are not lawyers, doctors, engineers, accountants or teachers. They are weed-whackers, lawn cutters, dish washers and general laborers. Also potential voters for the politicians telling them they will receive free money if they vote wisely.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 8:56AM
Quite the Elitist, aren't you? And, there ya go with the freeloader stuff again. Is that all you people worry about - you ain't got you some free stuff, so you're mad? Stop believing all the lies coming from your corporate masters. They want you in the dark and stupid.
Alej| 6.19.12 @ 9:13AM
"...you people... ." As opposed to Holder's people ?
Have another slice of watermelon, purp.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 9:41AM
You can't answer the question either, can you? Answer the question ... snarky comments are useless.
Stkman| 6.19.12 @ 10:43AM
I'll answer the questions Perp. What he's saying is Mexico is basically sending her un-educated to us. Perp, we aren't a third world nation. We are the most technically advanced nation on Earth and we don'r need un-educated people coming here. We have pleanty of our own homegrown un-educated people who need jobs. We have pleanty of un-employed teenagers that need jobs too. What he is saying is, that before we take care of the un-educated of another nation, shouldn't we take care of OUR un-educated people first? Shouldn't we provide healthcare, food stamps and other assistance to American citizens not only first, but only? What right do you perceive illegal aliens in this country to have? Are you aware that they only have one legal right? That is the right to see an immigration judge. Are you aware legally they have no rights to our court system because they are not in good standing with the government of the United States? Do you know what being in good standing is? It means you are hear legally and the government knows who you are and why you are hear, whther you were born here a s a legal citizen or whether you have the proper legal documentation show you are here legally. Perp, we need to take care of our own first. Mexico will never improve how she treats her poor as long as we keep making excuses of why we need to help the poor of Mexico.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:19PM
Oh, you mean like "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me, I lift my lamp beside the golden door." What does that mean exactly? It doesn't say "send me only what I want to take" ...
You mean that is what Mexico has been doing? We invite them, invite them all, or did you miss that day in Social Studies? In case you still don't have a clue - that is what is enshrined on the Status of Liberty, symbol of America to the world for the last 130 years or so.
3 million were illegal until Reagan decided they weren't. It's just that simple, and we are a nation of immigrants, legal and illegal, which has continually infused our nation with people that are activated and rebellious, with the entrepreneurial spirit.
There are always some bad apples, but the majority of legal and illegals are peace-loving, hard-working people.
We should welcome them, not degrade them.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 2:27PM
A poem by Emma Lazurus is not the law of the land.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:26PM
So you denigrate the Statue of Liberty and what she stands for? You're an unpatriotic un-American .. Al Adab sounds muslim anyway. What would you know about America?
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 5:34PM
Naturalized citizens have to pass a comprehensive civics test Purp. Could you?
BTW Google the name if you wish. It derives from what you suspect. Have a great evening.
Dave Williams| 6.19.12 @ 1:17PM
...you should know...YOU make enough of them...
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:20PM
Yes, alas, I fall for the comeback too. I am only human, but it's still true that snarky comments are useless.
Al Adab| 6.19.12 @ 2:26PM
We should note above where AmSpec cautions against feeding the trolls. Although Purp does provide some comic releft to the conversation, I would remind you all that Marcus Auerelius said, "Do not waste time bantering with barbarians or idiots".
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Boar Hunter| 6.19.12 @ 11:35AM
Leave the fence alone!
Drunken Sailor| 6.19.12 @ 12:51PM
Someone should put a hotwire on it.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:21PM
Oh, now I'm upset ... blah, blah woofie.
Pepe LaPue| 6.19.12 @ 9:12AM
Purp Get your your facts right!! It was an EX Order to Homeland Sec to "back off enforcement". YOU don't know everything!!
Joellen| 6.19.12 @ 9:37AM
Actually Pepe LaPue, Puke/Purp knows NOTHING!
Fast and Curious| 6.19.12 @ 9:47AM
Ignore this child. Just escalating the nonsense until someone gives him attention.
Von Mises Jr| 6.19.12 @ 10:40AM
Pepe, I would not waste my time with Jefferson Perp the troll. He is as worthless as a teat on a bull.
We have doctors comment on this site that heal people. We have business people that build products. I was a sales guy that provided the services of a merchant.
Perpy Jefferson is a freaking troll.What does that mean? What does he add to GDP? What is his contribution to society other than hate, greed and envy?
His product is communism. He is a leach. He is a fool with tourette syndrome. Ignore it
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:25PM
I really get to you wingnuts, don't I ?
I'd be happy to have civil conversation, but you always have to degrade, put down, or castigate something that doesn't agree with your point of view.
For the Hayek and Von Mises types - just remember, people don't eat philosophical arguments and none of them have been proven to work better than Keynesian economics. None of them. Even your God Milton Friedman said "we are all Keynesians now" and agreed with Keynes on economic policies, but not political policies. You shouldn't conflate the two.
Von Mises Jr| 6.19.12 @ 3:08PM
You can't eat communist propaganda, comrade. Von Mises and Hayek teach how to produce wealth and garbage like you scheme how to steal it.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:29PM
No one but your side spouts communist propaganda. I never hear it from progressive/liberal/democratic types ... only from you all complaining about anything that isn't your own side's idea.
Amazingly, no one has EVER produced wealth following either of their prescriptions - or would you care to point to an actual, factual, real case where their policies were anything but a fantasy wrapped in philosophical mumbo-jumbo. Just one, please? I dare you...
Stkman| 6.19.12 @ 10:30AM
Has anyone seen John "I'm a coward" Boehnor? Just where is the leader of the opposition and why have we not heard from him?
Folks, we need to all wake the F up. There are two traitorous parties running this country and until one or many of us march on Washington NOTHING, ABSOLUTELY NOTHING WILL CHANGE!
They don't care about you, they don't care about me and they don't care about the United States of America. Just what does it take for us to understand that???? What will it take for us to turn off the t.v. and get up of the sofa, to get mad as hell, pick up your pitchfork, length of rope, or weapon of choice and march on Washiongton D.C.. It is our right under the Constitution to do so. Our forefathers advised us to do it when needed. You can't tell me that we, as educated and well armed as we are can't take this trash out of Washington when our poorly armed forefathers defeated the greatest army on earth at the time to give us this wonderful nation.
If you wife or daughter were being molested they these tow political parties molest our great nation, the way they molest our Constitution you would without hesitation defend her. What will it take for us to wake the hell up and act like men instead of cowardly p_ssies? Sadly, at this moment I am one of the latter and I hate myself for it, and I hate you for it too. We don't deserve tghe nation our forefathers gave to us, and our children don't deserve us as their parents, they deserve better.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 2:17PM
Indeed.
They care about their Titles, their sweet Offices, their sweeter Bathrooms, and Parking Spaces, their drivers, and being called Mr. Senator, and Mr. Congressman.
Congratulations.
You get it.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:27PM
Actually, I agree with you.
Unfortunately, the idealistic view you have of the Constitution has never been in effect from G. Washington all the way til now. Americans are pragmatic, not dogmatic, and roll with the times.
TLP| 6.19.12 @ 3:27PM
The Constitution is the envy of the World, written by the greatest assemblage of minds, since the days of Athens,when Socrates, Euclid, Pathagrious, and their fellow Atheian Geniuses, held Court.
It's not Idealistic.
It's FACT.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:33PM
Agreed - but it has not been followed by G Washington, John Adams, Thomas Jefferson or James Madison ... #'s 1,2,3,4 Presidents nor anyone ever since. It is a framework for liberty and justice, not the gospel from the Bible.
It has done a remarkable job for our country, but there are several killer Apps that made this country what it is, not the Constitution alone. The Constitution promotes a "more perfect union" realizing that it is a journey, not a fait accompli just because we ratified it in 1789.
The Bruce| 6.19.12 @ 3:40PM
They're silent because they figure when it's their turn at bat with the Presidency, they'll be justified in pulling the same unconstitutional shenanigans.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:35PM
A very good point actually.
Once liberty is given away, it takes a revolution to get it back. How we go about taking it back is where we differ, that's all.
Slacker| 6.19.12 @ 11:14AM
I would like to be pandered to on some issue. Why doesn’t anyone in gov’t. give a crap about me?
Drunken Sailor| 6.19.12 @ 11:27AM
My guess is because your a white male. Though I could be wrong.
Shadow| 6.19.12 @ 11:51AM
We have as much authority as Obama to decree a law invalid. We worked hard, saved for retirement, paid off mortgages, only to have the government ruin our economy and devalue our assets. We declare today that all white Americans over the age of 50 no longer pay taxes of any kind. We have no control over the events that have brought us misery and fear for our future. It is only fair. It is the right thing to do. What? You don't agree? You must be a RACIST.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:29PM
Wall Street has a done a great job on you, haven't they? Amazing... Follow the money if you really want to know the villains.
JD| 6.19.12 @ 2:44PM
The money leads to people who believe in government control of the economy, which they use to their advantage.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:36PM
Seriously? How did Wall Street and the 3.7 Billion dollars made by one person escape your notice? You really need to follow more than Fixed News. You know the billionaire owner feeds you what he wants you to hear, don't you?
JD| 6.19.12 @ 12:35PM
As Sowell says, it makes no sense to entertain any policy regarding current illegals until the border is secured. Obama says the direct opposite - that we must deal with existing illegals before securing the border. He can offer no rationale for this position at all, because there is none. It is obvious that any policy for dealing with existing illegals will be thwarted by the still-0pen border, and Obama seems to want this.
His latest move will surely result in more illegals coming to take advantage of it. No doubt they will be more who will vote, perhaps more than once, and take advantage of social programs that are supposed to only be for citizens. Once again, Obama will claim they can't do these things because the law says they're not eligible, which ignores the fact that they're not eligible to even be here either, yet here they are.
But hey, don't worry, they "pay taxes"! That is, they file tax returns. Which... adds them to the ranks of tax filers who pay zero or negative taxes. It would actually be better for us, in aggregate, if they DIDN'T file tax returns.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:31PM
Obama has done more to secure the border and deport illegals than anyone before him. So your argument fails.
JD| 6.19.12 @ 2:43PM
Parroting Obama's campaign ads doesn't make what you say true. On policy matters of significance, Obama has resisted border security efforts, attacked states that try to protect themselves, and now issued this latest policy. The fact remains that he himself states that border security must come after "immigration reform", and it's quite clear what he means by "reform".
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:38PM
If by States, you mean AZ - it's unconstitutional to take immigration into a State's hands. AZ did it anyway. I'd think you wouldn't like anything so blatantly unconstitutional.
JD| 6.19.12 @ 12:36PM
We can't punish children for the mistakes of their parents? Cool! I'm going to steal $10 million and give it to my children. Per the Obama precedent, even if I get caught, the government can't take the money back from my kids!
BTims86| 6.19.12 @ 1:09PM
My personal "Dream Act" is to have all illegal aliens deported and to have legal immigration cut by one-half.
And English made the official language of the country.
But alas, the neoconservatives won't have it.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:31PM
It's Un-American, that's why.
BTims86| 6.19.12 @ 2:34PM
Only if you think the USA is merely a place started by immigrants and built by immigrants.
But those are both false. Thats a narative the libtards and neocons peddle.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:41PM
WHAT?!@# ... what country are you from? The only people in this country that don't have an immigrant heritage are the American Indian population. All others derive from somewhere else. We are a nation of immigrants, period. You need to study more or something, you're woefully uninformed. There were no Italians, Germans, Irish, English, Dutch, French, Norwegian, Mexican, Chinese, Japanese and a hundred other immigrant populations here when Columbus, or Leif Ericson if you prefer, discovered American. You do know that, don't you?
jppcanton| 6.19.12 @ 6:14PM
You need to learn the difference between colonists/pioneers and immigrants.
BTims86| 6.19.12 @ 1:10PM
Obamamnesty WILL ALLOW illegal amigos who came here AS ADULTS to recieve amnesty as well. It will ultimately apply to several millionn, not the 800,000 Ol Big Ears announced last week.
Anthony| 6.19.12 @ 1:36PM
Dear Dr. Sowell, may I ask a favor? Since I would gladly vote for you as president, and if we were fortunate enough to have a man of your integrity, experience, and intelligence serve as our president, even if I asked you an intelligent policy question, would you think me a racist?
If not, would you please send me an official Dr. Thomas Sowell, this man is not a racist card?
Many thanks, BTW you can make a fortune here.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 2:32PM
I just threw up in my mouth...
Slacker| 6.19.12 @ 3:14PM
Semen is difficult to keep down?
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 4:33PM
Disgusting ahole ... what's your fixation with semen?
Slacker| 6.19.12 @ 6:03PM
I assumed you were a stoner from the Bay Area because you go by Purp. The rest was conjecture. Did I get it wrong?
Truth to Power| 6.19.12 @ 7:15PM
I've witnessed projection before but this is really bad.
The Bruce| 6.19.12 @ 3:47PM
I would have figured you "trained away" your gag response a long time ago.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 4:33PM
Guess I'm not as good at it as you are, girlie man.
Anthony| 6.19.12 @ 4:09PM
I sure hope it was because of my post, dearie. I know for sure it wasn't because of any contact between you and me that would have caused the point made by Slacker.
Although, may I suggest, perhaps Slacker offers what you so desperately need......
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 4:35PM
Again, someone who is fixated on Cock-a-Doodle-Do ... amazing you can stand up straight.
jppcanton| 6.19.12 @ 2:39PM
With a sour Obama economy and high unemploymnet not expected as the "new normal" the Beltway Elites of both parties continue to be obsessed with the wants and desires of Mexican Indians, Chi-Coms, East Indians and Muhommedans from the Middle East and their desire to come to A-m-air-ee-ka.
What we are seeing is the desire of the Beltway Elite to displace the American people, through mass immigration. It is s brutal fact that "non-Caucasian" people vote overwhelmingly for liberal/Democrat politicians and policies for they see conservative/GOP voters as the evil White people who have hoarded the wealth of the country and thus, under Barry Soetoro's guidance, that wealth is being redistributed to "non-Caucasian peoples" in exchange for voting loyalty.
Cobalt| 6.19.12 @ 2:49PM
Obama = Tyranny
jppcanton| 6.19.12 @ 3:45PM
Mickey Kaus writes at The Daily Caller:
The maddening details of Obama’s DREAM Decree are becoming clearer. As this CIS report notes, 1) The decree doesn’t just apply to illegal immigrants who were“brought to this country by their parents.”
It also would give work permits to those who snuck across the border by themselves as teenagers. “Through no fault of their own” is a talking point for DREAM proselytizers, not an actual legal requirement. 2) The same goes for the phrase “and know only this country as home.” That’s a highly imaginative riff on the decree’s actual requirement, which is for 5 years “continuous residence.” It turns out “continuous residence” doesn’t mean what you think it means. “Immigration attorneys have been successful in getting immigration courts to whittle this down to a point where it is almost meaningless,” says CIS’s Jon Feere. As an illegal immigrant you can go back abroad for multiple 6-month stints during those five years–but, if precedent holds, in Janet Napolitano’s eyes you will still “know only this country as home.”
jppcanton| 6.19.12 @ 3:46PM
Tad Conn -- Godfather Politics
Where are Boehner and the GOP?
Speaker of the House of Representatives John Boehner is second --- and the only Republican --- in line to replace President Obama should he be removed from office by accident or action of Congress. -- After the president on Friday unilaterally decreed amnesty for what may wind up being millions of young illegal immigrants, Congress should be up in arms...
Associated Press
Calderon praises Obama for his unlawful illegal alien skullduggery
Los Cabos, BCS, Mex. -- Mexico’s president is praising President Barack Obama for having the "courage" to limit the deportation of some young illegal [aliens] living in the U.S. -- President Felipe Calderon thanked Obama on behalf of the Mexican people for what he called a "valuable decision." Obama announced Friday that illegal [aliens] will be able to avoid deportation...
Bloomberg
Job openings in U.S. decrease by most in almost four years
Job openings in the U.S. decreased in April by the most in almost four years, the latest sign that the labor market is cooling. -- The number of open positions dropped by 325,000, the biggest decline since September 2008, to 3.42 million from 3.74 million the prior month, the Labor Department said today in Washington. Hiring slowed from the prior month and firings climbed...
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 5:49PM
God help us if cry baby Speaker Waterworks became president. He'd cry us to death - he can't even keep his own people in line.
redwolf6911| 6.19.12 @ 6:58PM
The House can only pass bills. Harry Reid will not bring them up for a vote in the Senate and Obama will veto anything that does get through the Senate if it pertains to immigration. Essentially can not do anything unless someone sues Obama and it goes to SCOTUS.
Purp| 6.19.12 @ 7:49PM
Yep, the Activist Conservative Court ... what a tragedy to circumvent the Constitution.
benny havens| 6.20.12 @ 7:34AM
Thank you for the history lessons Purp. You are so intelligent and so wise. You are also full of more shit then a Christmas turkey. My post was based on 49 years of experience in the real world of manufacturing not, as you put it, “lies coming from your corporate masters.”
From all of your posts I can see that you really believe all of the crap that this president feeds the American public, on a daily basis, is true. His most recent circumvention of the Constitution is not because he has a big heart. It’s because he needs more votes. Pandering to sub-groups in the American population is no sign of being a great leader. I have one question for you. Where did the $875,000,000,000.00 go? Now there is some free stuff!