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HarryCare Is a Rotten Deal
The more people learn about the Senate health care bill unveiled on Wednesday, the more they’ll oppose it.
“This is a good deal for the American people,” Sen. Tom Harkin boasted on MSNBC Wednesday after the unveiling of Senate Democrats’ health care bill. “And I think that the more that they learn what is in this bill, the more they are going to realize that this is really good for the American people.”
But should Americans actually delve into the 2,074-page piece of legislation melded together by Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, they’re more likely to recoil at its massive cost, encroachment on individual liberty, and unprecedented expansion of federal government power.
Under the Reid bill, for the first time in the nation’s history, the federal government would force Americans to purchase a product merely because they are alive. If Americans do not purchase health insurance that meets the standards established by the Secretary of Health and Human Services, then they will be forced to pay a $750 tax, which will be adjusted over time to account for inflation.
The federal government would force states to create new government-run insurance exchanges on which qualifying Americans could use government subsidies to purchase insurance policies that are designed by the federal government. One of those plans would be a government-run plan, or “public option,” which states could theoretically opt out of, but they would not be able to opt out of paying the taxes required to subsidize the startup costs of the plan.
The bill would also force employers to pay a tax to reimburse the federal government for any of its employees who use government subsidies to purchase health insurance. This would increase the cost to businesses of hiring lower-income workers, and thus contribute to higher unemployment among the very group that the bill seeks to help.
About half of the expansion in insurance coverage achieved by the bill would be by expanding eligibility in existing government programs, Medicid and S-CHIP, by 15 million people. In addition to the $374 billion the expansion would cost the federal government from 2010 to 2019, according to the Congressional Budget Office, it would impose $25 billion in new costs on state budgets that are already being crushed by current Medicaid spending.
To pay for the bill, Reid would impose $371.9 billion of new taxes over 10 years, including $67 billion on health insurers; $23 billion in on drug companies; and $20 billion on medical device makers. All of these taxes are likely to be passed directly on to consumers in the former of higher health care costs.
In addition, the bill would tax employer health care plans that cost more than $8,500 for individuals and $23,000 for families. And, during a time of double-digit unemployment, it would hike payroll taxes by 0.5 percent on individuals earning more than $200,000 or couples making $250,000.
In order to get health care legislation passed in the House of Representatives by a narrow 220 to 215-vote margin, Speaker Nancy Pelosi agreed to let pro-life Democrat Bart Stupak hold a vote on an amendment that would ensure that no federal tax dollars were used to pay for abortions. The amendment, which would prevent the government plan from offering abortion and prohibit anybody from using government subsidies to purchase a policy that covered abortion, was approved by 240 members, including 64 Democrats.
Under tremendous pressure from pro-choice groups, Reid did not include the Stupak language in the Senate bill. Instead, the Senate bill mandates that every state insurance exchange must offer a plan that covers abortion in addition to one that does not. It also allows for the government-run plan to cover abortions as long as the HHS Secretary can assure that no federal funds will be used to subsidize the procedure. As for the subsidies, it proposes an unworkable “segregation of funds” that theoretically is supposed to make sure that the actuarial value of the abortion benefit isn’t paid for with tax dollars.
Reid and his fellow Democrats spent much of the afternoon touting the CBO analysis, which estimated that the bill would cost $848 billion from 2010 to 2019, and reduce deficits by $130 billion over the period. However, this projection was achieved using the same accounting gimmicks as previous Democratic health care bills, and the same CBO caveats apply.
Just as with the other bills, most of the major spending provisions are delayed so that the bill appears cheaper over CBO’s 10-year budget window than it actually is in reality. A closer look at the numbers shows that 99 percent of the spending is weighted in the final six years of the CBO window (2014 to 2019), and 94 percent comes in the final five.
The CBO estimates assume that politically unpopular cuts (mostly to Medicare) will actually get implemented, which the office reminds us is “often not the case for major legislation.” The report goes on to say that the bill “would put into effect a number of procedures that might be difficult to maintain over a long period of time.”
Eager to project a sense of inevitability, Reid declared on Wednesday that “the finish line is really in sight.”
But in reality, even if Reid clears the first procedural hurdle in the Senate by this Saturday by obtaining the 60 votes needed to bring the bill to the floor, he still faces a long amendment and debate process next month before Congress adjourns for the year. Should something pass the Senate, it still has to be reconciled with the House legislation, and then passed in both chambers again, which could be particularly dicey if the Stupak abortion language is stripped in the final bill. And despite what Harkin says, the more the American people learn about what’s in this bill, the more they’ll oppose it.
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Richard Baker| 11.19.09 @ 7:42AM
Tyranny masquerading as something good for you. Leave us the Hell alone! Sic Semper Tyrannis.
typical liberal| 11.19.09 @ 8:41PM
Tyranny is george bush*t who thougt its ok for pore poeple to not have health care! plus the iraqis and afghanistanis are at war cuz of bush. sarah palin is a neanderthal idit...plus evry 1 here who is just part of the fox-noise right wing fearmongering, haters who are racists, homophones, and hate islamic jewish poeple. ARGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG.
Ken Roberts| 11.23.09 @ 7:02AM
Bravo more more! Brilliant wonderful , your knowledge of the world, it is amazing that one person can have such insight and debating skills . I just love the way you ripped us all to shreds with the facts and the references given wow I wish I could do that ? What does one have to do to get such grand education , go to Troll school ?eh" Islamic Jewish people" what a great statement . I sure did not know that Iraq qnd Afgagnistan were at war with each other.Could we see some more of this great info? please oh please write more.
Melvin| 11.19.09 @ 7:52AM
It is high time for this Country to put an end to your sitting in this place, which you have dishonored by your contempt of all virtue, and defiled by your practice of every vice; you are a factious crew, and enemies to all good government; you are a pack of mercenary wretches, and would like Madoff sell your country for an investment scheme, and like Judas betray your fellow Americans for a insiders sweetheart loan.
Is there a single virtue now remaining amongst you? Is there one vice you do not possess? You have no more honor than a common petty thief; power, and corruption is your God; which one of you have not bartered you conscience for bribes? Is there a man or woman amongst you that has the least care for the good of the Country?
You sordid political prostitutes have you not defiled this sacred place and turned our nation's Capitol into a den of thieves, by your immoral principles and wicked practices? You have grown intolerably odious to the whole nation; you were elected here by the people to get grievance redressed, and yet you mock us in contempt. You have completely lost the confidence and trust of the Republic and therefore we revoke our consent to be governed and demand you lock the doors and depart if any you still have a shred of honor and decency amongst you. In the name of God, just go!
Adapted from a speech in 1623 from Oliver Cromwell to the present day.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 1:26PM
Nice adaptation. Has anybody else noticed that conservative journalism is getting better with each passing day of the Obamanation? We all clearly need the stimulus, so to speak, of a crisis to keep us alert and sharpen our wits--and therein lies an obvious advantage enjoyed by alarmed conservatives over smug liberals.
But I think we also need to bone up more on our own heritage of brilliant political discourse and then apply it anew.
For example, whenever Professor Obama opens his mouth in public, I am reminded of a droll comment made by John Randolph of Roanoke regarding his bitter political foe David Livingston. One need only change the name to put the old rhetoric to new use:
"President Obama is a man of distinctive qualities: like rotten mackerel in the moonlight, he shines and stinks."
Becky Jo| 11.20.09 @ 2:29AM
Well said!
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 8:45AM
WHat a horrible man. Trying to expand health care to those who don't have it and by doing it, reducing the defecit. What an animal.
Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid unveiled his $848 billion health reform bill Wednesday to broad support from fellow Democrats — and the move quickly turned up the pressure on the last few wavering moderates to support the plan, which includes a sizable chunk of deficit cutting.
Reid’s plan would expand coverage to 94 percent of Americans through a government-run health insurance option — allowing states to opt out — and other features, all while reducing future federal deficits by $130 billion over the next 10 years, according to a Congressional Budget Office report released late Wednesday.
“Tonight begins the last leg of this journey” to bring health reform to the nation, Reid said in announcing the bill.
JP| 11.19.09 @ 3:22PM
Defeat Pigs,
Here are some facts that have come out of noth the House and Senate versions:
1)The taxes, surcharges, and fees will be front loaded, but the benefits back loaded over a 10 year period. If the bill becomes law, Americans will begin paying for ObamaCare in 2010; but, the benefits of ObamaCare (universal coverage) do not kick in until 2013, and they are phased in through 2019.
2)Every working American will be forced to pay into this system. A 25 year old single person will pay at least $2000 a year in premiums plus other assorted taxes and fees, which can go up to $5000 depending on income (ObamaCare is certainly "progressive" in this regard). The more you make, the more health care will cost you. For married couples, the costs are even higher. For a couple that makes a combined $100,000 a year, the costs for health insurance can top $15,000 a year. Talk about disincentives to work...
3)A national insurance board will determine what the your minimum coverage will be. If you are caught either a) not insuring yourself or b)underinsuring yourself, you can face up to a $250,000 fine and/or 5 years in jail.
4)Rationing. This week's reccomdendation concerning mammograms by a government health advisory committee was telling. They obviously we're just getting an early start on things. For decades, women were told to get annual mammograms starting at 40. The AMA and other institutions say early detection saves lifes. But this government committee (from which insurance companies take notice) says age 50 is better. And they didn't base thier decisisons on any new data. As the government takes control of things and attempts to "bend the cost curve", look for more of this rationing.
5)The House Bill doesn't mention illegals, but their version makes it a crime for doctors to ask for IDs, passports, etc... before treating.
6)Finally, no one is talking about Medicare other than from which to siphon money away. Medicare is due to go broke in 7 years due to the simple fact there will be too many retirees and not enough workers. Just think what ObamaCare will do to Medicare?
7)And no, the states cannot opt out. I guarentee you that portion of the bill will either be written out or totally gutted.
8)There is no mention about what will happen to doctors or nurses. ObamaCare will create a crisis in the medical field. Already we have shortages of MDs. And what persion in his right mind will be willing to become a doctor when a)his pay will be capped and b)there will be no protection from tort litigators.
You libs are doing worse than living a pipe dream. You will destroy the best health care in the world.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 8:46AM
He has the nerve to allow states to opt out. He's a witch.
Elaine| 11.19.09 @ 3:39PM
Mr Pig, you are also a bufoon!
One of those plans would be a government-run plan, or "public option," which states could theoretically opt out of, but they would not be able to opt out of paying the taxes required to subsidize the startup costs of the plan.
Louis Jenkins| 11.19.09 @ 8:59AM
"Under tremendous pressure from pro-choice groups, Reid did not include the Stupak language in the Senate bill. Instead, the Senate bill mandates that every state insurance exchange must offer a plan that covers abortion in addition to one that does not."
So if people are too lazy to use a condom (free at your local health dept) why is it thought that these same people will enroll in an insurance program that covers abortion, or even pay a tax for not having insurance? And if they're too poor to buy protection, and don't have transportation to the family planning clinic, then they're certainly too poor to pay a premium. Tax payer funded insurance for abortion will certainly be a de facto part of the senate bill. Reid and Pelosi have gotta keep the constituents happy, they'll reconcile the two bills and it will be in there.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:06AM
The stupack amendment is Catholic fodder. Even if it was included in the health care bill, women can still get funding for abortions via the private sector. Abortion will not be the tipping point of the bill and Stupack will do nothing to prevent abortions. It's just an attempt to exploit the bill by pandering to the loonies on the right.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 9:17AM
Mr. Pigs, your lack of careful and deliberate thought on this matter is evident. Further, it is evident that your opinions & beliefs are formed and solidified by your emotions and your desire to have no one be made uncomfortable.
It's time for you to grow up. Life is not without its challenges and discomfort. When you have a housenote, children, and you pay taxes b/c they're removed from your check prior to you even seeing those dollars, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
G'day.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:43AM
Sir your the biggest douche on these blogs. You sputter out insults without backing up your trash talk. I have a housenote, a child and pay taxes so once again you made another presumptive mistake in your logic. I suggest you go back to school and take a logic class because to many of us here, your just a nerdy wannabe internet thug who would get beat up by the neighborhood girl if he was man enough to step out of his moms basement that he shares with his 3 kids and fat wife.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 10:05AM
My response from yesterday still holds:
Why, here's the dean of Harvard Medical School to refute every argument your paper-hat-wearing ass has made here regarding health care reform:
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....54014.html
Ding! Fries are done.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:13AM
lmao. I have never worked a service job in my life let alone a fry cook. Sorry I didn't read yesterdays response but I'm sure it was a doosey. BTW your link doesn't work paper hat guy.
Doorguner| 11.19.09 @ 10:19AM
http://online.wsj.com/article/.....54014.html
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:24AM
"Instead of forthrightly dealing with the fundamental problems, discussion is dominated by rival factions struggling to enact or defeat President Barack Obama's agenda. The rhetoric on both sides is exaggerated and often deceptive. Those of us for whom the central issue is health—not politics—have been left in the lurch. And as controversy heads toward a conclusion in Washington, it appears that the people who favor the legislation are engaged in collective denial.
Our health-care system suffers from problems of cost, access and quality, and needs major reform. Tax policy drives employment-based insurance; this begets overinsurance and drives costs upward while creating inequities for the unemployed and self-employed. A regulatory morass limits innovation. And deep flaws in Medicare and Medicaid drive spending without optimizing care".
from the doctor himself.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 12:40PM
" And as controversy heads toward a conclusion in Washington, it appears that the people who favor the legislation are engaged in collective denial."
from the doctor himself
Way to engage in quotation in the absence of context. A perfect example of the tactics of the I'm-a-victim, lying crapweasel Lefty.
And you might want to actually carefully (re)read that second paragraph you quoted, you imbecile.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:20PM
No I'm saying that the doctor is against health care reform as it stands. I'm just saying that this is essentially a political fight with mudslinging and no real arguments. I disagree with the doctor and just because he went to Harvard doesn't impress me. Didn't Bush go to Yale or Harvard? He's the dumbest person in this entire country.
deflated fags| 11.19.09 @ 2:24PM
"I'm just saying that this is essentially a political fight with mudslinging and no real arguments."
Moron, do you even realize you've just contradicted evry thing you've said thus far on this topic.
cindy| 11.19.09 @ 11:43PM
there is no article
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 11:40AM
Mr. Pigs, I take it as a compliment that I've peeved you so. I didn't sputter insults. I let you know my impression of your position. Mistake? Maybe so. If, that is, you're not lying through your 19-year-old teeth. I don't know. I told you what I thought of your position, you didn't like it, so we move on. As to the "...nerdy wannabe..." comment... meh. Your "presumptive mistake" would have me eating your lunch, I suspect. Don't forget: you're (the correct spelling) the one of the two of us who brought the vulgarities to the discussion.
From my perspective, the tragedy is that I won't be there to see the look on your face when one day you have the "ah ha!" moment, and you realize what a boob you've made of yourself on the internet.
Lastly, for what it's worth, my wife is freakin' hawt!
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:23PM
a boob on american spectator? Come on man, this is a place where disgruntled republicans go to vent. The site itself and the posters on here are laughed at by the rest of the world including myself. Don't flatter yourself. Post a pick of your wife on flickr and send us a link. I bet she looks like Ronald Reagan with a wig on.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 1:30PM
Mr. Pigs, you have continually and reliably reinforced my first impression of you. Many thanks.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:43PM
First impressions are the most important.
JimE| 11.19.09 @ 5:09PM
Dp, Since you aren't disgruntled republican what are you other than a troll paid 13 cents a post. Prehaps if you had a job you could buy health insurance, 39 years old, still living with mom and only working part time in a gloryhole.
Helen Donnelly| 11.19.09 @ 3:43PM
Dear Defeated Pigs,
Again, with your foul mouthed comments, you reveal your true colors.
Have a nice day and God Bless.
hunter| 11.19.09 @ 9:17AM
Vote'm out get the hogs out, they have defiled the office. Make examples of them, vote them out so bad they lose by 98%. Then the media will have another new comic strip for the funny page. Reid and Pelosi are so out of touch, if they worked for a private company they would be fired.
Dustoff| 11.19.09 @ 9:23AM
women can still get funding for abortions via the private sector.
++++++++++++++++++++
Ahhhhhhhh yes. Planned Parent Hood, who by the way get's fed money.
Washington, DC (LifeNews.com) -- The Planned Parenthood Federation of America has released its annual report for fiscal year 2007-2008. The document shows the nation's largest abortion business is getting bigger as it showed an increase of five percent more abortions and increased taxpayer funding.
According to Planned Parenthood's latest report, abortions increased to 305,310 abortions up from 289,750 in 2006.
So what were you saying Piggy...
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:40AM
That's weird. I just read that abortions are at an all time low. Planned Parenthood's addition of the Morning After Pill is part responsible for this decline. BTW I wasn't referring to Planned Parenthood but the National Network of Abortion funds.
bill carson| 11.19.09 @ 11:43AM
I hate to bother you while you typing your 67th comment on the blog, but I think you need to develop your knowledge of medicine before attempting to act like an expert. Use of a "morning after" pill is actually a form of abortion.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:11PM
Bill my uneducated nemesis: The United States FDA states that progestin-only ECPs like Plan B work by preventing ovulation. It also says "it is possible" that progestin-only ECPs may interfere with the embryo implanting in the uterine lining, and that they have no effect on pregnancies if taken after implantation.
KyMouse| 11.19.09 @ 3:37PM
Pigs, when a sperm penetrates and egg, a new human life begins (as a zygote); and if a chemical compound such as Plan B prevents implantation in the uterine lining, that brand-new human being will starve and die. That IS an abortion.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 11:58AM
A matter of clarification:
What do you - personally - think of abortion? Seriously. Where do you stand on the topic?
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 11:58AM
The above question is intended for Mr. Pigs. I apologize for any confusion.
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 1:08PM
Abortion is a moral issue that begins with up bringing. As for my family we don’t support it. But should we not take more time to stop those pregnancies from happening in the first place(As individuals not gov). And what kind of women doesn’t know how to use or get birth control. Maybe the kind we like to see less reproduction from?
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:32PM
I somewhat agree to this because it all comes down to families instilling abstinence or teaching children to practice safe sex. Condoms break though so you can't prevent all pregnancies. I hate to say this but school boys "what kind of women doesn't know how to get birth control" is accurate but what about std's? All I can say is people, be a part of your childs life and talk to them about sex and the consequences of engaging in it.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:15PM
Abortion sucks. I still think it is a woman's choice and I have no say so in the matter. US needs to stay out of reproductive rights. No one wants to have an abortion and there is not enough people to adopt the children that don't have homes so to say adaption is the answer is ridiculous. The right is all about freedoms but when it comes to a woman's body, they reel in the bait and try to regulate the hell out of it.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 1:31PM
Again and again. You're better than Old Faithful.
Way to ride the fence on a tough topic, Mr. Pigs. I bet you're a real lady-killer with those strong opinions.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:36PM
It's not for me to take a stance on abortion. I can only support a woman's right to choose. I can't have a baby, I don't know what it would be like to be pregnant don't know what I would do if a father wasn't present or if I was raped. I support a woman's right to choose.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 1:33PM
Mr. Pigs,
If it is a woman's choice, then it must also be a muslim's choice to stone his daughter to death for whatever-the-reason. How come the government doesn't just stay out of that here in America?
Again and again, you continue to meet my expectation.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:38PM
That's sharia law and I can't get involved with those decisions either. If it happens in the states, I say lock the bastard up. We got rules against that. We have "for the english police" rules protecting a woman's right to an abortion and I honor that.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 1:48PM
Mr. Pigs, it's interesting and impressive to me that with your first sentence there you dismiss yourself from having to give any thought to the matters of life and death.
Would you stone your daughter if you were living over in Syria and she "deserved" it, according to Syrian "law"?
Look at it this way: What is it that's magical and happens upon coming ashore in the United States which makes sharia law NOT o.k. then?
Either life is defended absolutely or it's not at all.
You just don't want to take a side, like so many others, because you don't want to make someone else uncomfortable.
It's intellectual laziness.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:52PM
I don't know if I would because I am not Syrian. It is a slippery slope argument. So if I am forced to choose sides on abortion, I am pro choice. You haven't figured that out yet einstein?
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:58PM
And this is not correct either: "Either life is defended absolutely or it's not at all" See Native Americans for an example. Check out slavery as well.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 2:59PM
Logic lesson. The term "slippery slope" is a metaphor used loosely in the context of informal logic to refer to the anticipation of a consequence without arguing the cause-effect relations implied by the anticipation. In other words, it is a form of petitio principii, more commonly known as "begging the question." You have misapplied the term in your response to the poster whom you refer to as "einstein" [sic].
But the term "slippery slope" may also be used retrospectively as a descriptive metaphor. For example, when abortion was legalized by judicial fiat in January 1973, many opponents of the decision argued that the legalization of abortion would open the floodgates, so to speak, to unspeakable horrors down the road.
The people who so argued were falsely attacked for committing the so-called slippery slope fallacy. Falsely because they adduced reasons drawn from human experience and moral reflection for their anticipation of a holocaust and, withal, a general coarsening of the culture, making public discourse on any moral issue more difficult and problematic. In other words, they made arguments for the likelihood of dire consequences; they didn't merely assert the anticipated consequences without support.
We now have the needed retrospect to affirm the soundness of their arguments by empirical observation of the consequences. Thus, for example, the practice of abortion has moved from first-trimester restrictions to so-called partial birth abortion--i.e., infanticide.
Today, of course, we argue over such insouciant issues as whether imperfect babies should be killed and whether elderly people deemed a burden to the social order should be killed. There is little or no horror expressed that such issues are even permitted in the public square. The dreaded slippery slope turned out to be steeper than anticipated by many of those who sounded the alarm, but the metaphor nonetheless serves as accurately descriptive.
Of course, I don't have a window to see through to your soul, Mr. pigs, but your expression continues to project the image of a callow and contemptuous know-it-all: by which terms I mean to be descriptive, not abusive.
As they say in Marin County and other outposts of smug postmodern enlightenment, "Thank you for sharing."
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 3:05PM
That, Mr. John II, was impressive. Well done.
Becky Jo| 11.20.09 @ 2:45AM
Ditto!
drudge ette obama| 11.20.09 @ 6:15AM
You whipped the porcine Mr. Pig with the right words, all put together perfectly in one trim bucket of slop in which Pig's snout is probably still slavering in hopes that there is more to come.
Ken Roberts | 11.23.09 @ 7:21AM
So we have another bright shinning star , if it were your daughter you would have to think about it if your were a Syrian? Your daughter should be afraid of you very afraid. I kind of see what kind of person you are and it is the ones who have caused most of our problems today .
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:41PM
Although I do believe abortion kills a fetus. I went to Catholic school and they show videos of abortions to 14 year old freshmen. Never the less, who's to say that fetus is not better of in heaven. If your religious, the better place is in heaven supposedly.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:45PM
If you had the choice, would you rather be struggling through life with all the chips stacked against you or would you rather be with our heavenly father? If your religious, the latter is more divine.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:50PM
And if you're (woohooo) a religious person, even if it is murder in god's eye, why not let god decide. He forgives all sins and if abortion is really a sin, he will forgive his children.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 2:07PM
Mr. Pigs,
I'll pray for your eternal soul. You mother must be so proud... first impressions being the most important and all.
Wow.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:17PM
Go head and pray. I lost faith in god when my son died in the womb on his expected birthday. The poor little guys heart just stopped beating. I got to hold him in my arms for 8 hours until the funeral director took him away. Don't cry for me though, life goes on. I have a daughter now and life is good.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:20PM
To me, God aborted my son. Why else didn't he survive? We went to all the meetings and did everything to the book. My wife doesn't do drugs and didn't drink during the whole pregnancy.
Sir| 11.19.09 @ 2:30PM
Mr. Pigs, I'm very sorry for your loss. That might very well kill me. I'm far more blessed than I deserve.
Still, "God aborted my son..." seems like a cop-out. It's just too easy to say that.
Whatever the case, I'm very sorry for your loss.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:35PM
nah nah, I feel like he did abort my child. If he exists and he makes the life and death decisions in this world he took his life. Although my son was born into this world but not alive. Thanks for the condolences though. I'll try to be a little more respectful in here from now on because even if we have different ideologies, we are still people. So I have to get my daughter from her montessori school (typical liberal) and I'll be back some other time.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:32PM
I don't mean to get so emotional about the abortion issue. Just if your against it, don't do it and if your ok with it, then do it. I'm not about to be the almighty decision on woman's reproductive rights. I can't make those moral judgments for the United States of America. Just like I can't do anything about our country going to war with Iraq.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 4:17PM
Well, I can't top Sir's eloquence, but here's a little more in the way of condolence, for whatever it's worth. My wife and I went through the same unspeakable loss with our first, 35 years ago--when I was probably already older than you are now. Which may explain why my response wasn't quite as self-referential as yours, but, I figure, nonetheless staggered by grief and bewilderment.
We now have four grown children and, so far, five grandchildren. But whenever I'm asked how many kids we have, I always say five. And we even have a name for the very first one. We hope to meet him some day, and maybe get a few hard questions answered.
Regarding our grown children, nothing has become clearer to my wife and me as we get older in what is now our "empty nest"--nothing is clearer than the fact that our children belong to us only in the sense that we were their appointed stewards. We are very, very close to them, and will remain so in the time left to us, but they don't belong to us in any other way. We were their stewards. Now they are the stewards of their own.
Yes, life is good. But when people ask you how many kids you have, tell them the truth: two so far, and counting.
As the old lady says in the movie: "You say you don't believe in God? Well, I guess that don't matter much, 'cause He sure believes in you!"
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 4:54PM
Thanks for the condolences. It seems like this happens to more people than imaginable. My sons name is Seychem and he would have been five November 2nd. I do tell people that I have 2 children most of the time but sometimes it seems it is easier to say 1. I don't think I'll have anymore but you never know. Anyway I'm sure there is a higher power out there and thanks for the pick me up. Have a good one.
Louis Jenkins| 11.19.09 @ 2:33PM
Oh well, I gotta weigh in for my 2 cents. My background is strict fundamentalism, in that a child doesn't reach the age of accountability until 13 years. However, each of us, even if you hold your nose, are placed on the earth for some reason or purpose. I think the Christian God's decision has been made towards abortion. We should not sarcrifice to pagan Gods or in high places (this includes the God of Government or Privacy), nor should we harm the least of these (the millstone statement by Jesus). While our nation doesn't legally practice human sacrifice I see a similarity to a Pagan God. Muslims practice ultimate Birth Control, hang the out of wedlock pregnant woman who has fooled around. " Allah willing, we wont have to deal with that problem again, and again," as the US culture does. Saves money too, health care taxes, costs or otherwise. And if the Eastern woman is married, the more Muslim children running around on the dirt floor the better. Neither are we Spartans seeking to create a warrior class from the best of human specimens and for the good of the society. If we were Spartans that would be a better excuse to abort the weak than wholesale abortion as we now have it. At least we could claim a viable reason for abortion, but the idea of creating a master race is repelling. When the time comes to be held accountable for one's life (pick your own Religion as most have a time of reckoning, ie if your charma is good you'll come back as a bigger bug or smarter, richer person) I don't believe "right to privacy", universal health care, it was legal, population control, or eugenics will be justifiable. I cannot be undecided on the abortion issue. I have picked my belief. Yes, I know the ramble sounds kooky but this is just my opinion.
Ken Roberts| 11.23.09 @ 7:27AM
You're you are remember that one, you are is the same as you're. According to you then we should all just lineup some where and commit suicide. At least the Christians should and that way the devil can have what is left . a great simple way to solve all of these problems of murder and mayhem. Let the chips fall where they may .
KyMouse| 11.19.09 @ 3:47PM
Pigs, there are an estimated 2 million couples in this country who would love to adopt an "unwanted" baby. Is there any baby who doesn't deserve that chance?
None of us has the absolute right to do whatever we please with our bodies, such as drive them down the road at high speeds, or consume illegal drugs. Surely you realize that an unborn baby is a different person from his/her mother? A mother, who is female, can give birth to a (male) son; and each has his/her own heartbeat, brain waves and so on. The baby's DNA is different from his/her mother's.
If this were 1850, would you have said "I don't want to own slaves, but I have no right to say that my neighbor shouldn't own any"? Back then, black people were considered property; today, babies in the womb are treated the same way.
When your wife was pregnant, did you consider your kids to be blobs of tissue, or were they your children? If your wife had chosen to abort one of them, would you have objected at all, or would you have said, "I have no say so in the matter?"
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 5:03PM
When I was a young lad I got a girl from the right side of the tracks pregnant. Her parents basically encouraged an abortion because we were young and they thought I wouldn't amount to squat. I encouraged her to keep our child but ultimately I couldn't convince her to do something she didn't want. What could I have done? Like I said, it is a woman's choice. Guys are culpable but when it is all said and done, the final decision lies with the female. Sure I take responsibility for what happened and if I was more together back then maybe the parents wouldn't have encouraged an abortion but that kid could have had a great life even without a father because I was ran out town shortly after and it didn't work out but they were loaded and could have raised the child. I think it came down to getting rid of me and the child would make it difficult. So that was an example of an abortion that should have never happened. That's pretty much how I feel but my wife and I wanted a baby and would have never aborted even if it had down syndrome or whatever. We actually decided not to get any tests done to our second child.
KyMouse| 11.20.09 @ 9:58AM
Pigs, instead of shrugging your shoulders, why not help women make the choice to let their babies live? There is probably a crisis-pregnancy (a.k.a. pregnancy-care) center in your area; why not volunteer to mow their lawn, or paint a room, or run some errands for them? There are plenty of ways you can help mothers who are facing enormous pressure from their boyfriends, parents or friends to abort their babies. Take a stand for life, and lend a helping hand! The moms and their babies could use your help!
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:52AM
And those numbers are skewed because in 2005 abortions were near record lows:
WASHINGTON (AFP) — The number of abortions in the United States in 2005 fell to one of its lowest levels since the procedure was legalized 35 years ago, according to a national study released Thursday.
The Guttmacher Institute, which researches issues pertaining to reproductive health and sexuality, said there were about 1.2 million abortions in 2005 -- 25 percent fewer than in 1990, when they reached an all-time high of 1.6 million.
In 2005, the US abortion rate was 19.4 abortions for every 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44, according to figures compiled from surveying abortion providers. The 2005 figure represented an eight percent drop from the number of abortions in 2000.
The finding underscores a continued downward trend that started after the abortion rate peaked at 29.3 procedures per 1,000 women in 1981, according to the institute.
KyMouse| 11.19.09 @ 12:01PM
For some of us, 51 million aborted babies since 1973 is too many. So is the aborting of more babies at the rate of one every 24 seconds.
Planned Parenthood has a dismal record of not only aborting babies (surgically and chemically), but also of protecting men who commit statutory rape, and accepting donations to abort black babies.
FYI, as of the end of 2008, California had the most P.P. centers (105), followed by Texas and NY (79 each). North Dakota had none at all.
One is too many.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 12:55PM
For some of us, killing innocent children in Iraq and Afghanistan are wrong but that never prevented both Bush's from blindly firing rockets into Baghdad off of Navy Ships in the Gulf. Shock and Awe which I like to call the "shot in the dark". I guess if the babies aren't white and in a womb, they are a turkey shoot for abortion foes.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 12:59PM
Didn't stop Bill Clinton from firing them either. And they're called cruise missle's and they literally are not blind. Stay on a topic you know, like, clean-ups on aisle three.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:08PM
Your tripping. Bill had "the cruise missles" which didn't he blow up a school or something. I know he did the same thing but that is not the point. And my buddy was in the navy and they used tomahawks. Yes they have guidance systems but it doesn't detect the presence of people. Not to mention that missles radiate outwards.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:09PM
Your mom's uterus fell out in aisle 3 again. Damn it, that's the third time this week. I keep telling her to close those legs.
KyMouse| 11.19.09 @ 2:37PM
Pigs says, "I guess if the babies aren't white and in a womb, they are a turkey shoot for abortion foes."
Does it bother you at all that almost half of all African-American pregnancies end with the baby's death by abortion? It bothers me. Black women are only about 14 percent of America's female population, but they have about one-third of the abortions. That's a lot of black scientists, factory workers, attorneys, physicians and other taxpayers who will never be born -- about 14 million since 1973.
I also care that "safe and legal" abortion hurts and kills mothers. Do a Google search of "Synthia Dennard" and "Lou Ann Herron" to read about two mothers who died at the hands of abortionists. There have been many others as well.
Every mother deserves better than abortion, and every child deserves a chance. Don't you agree?
KyMouse| 11.19.09 @ 3:49PM
"For some of us, killing innocent children in Iraq and Afghanistan are wrong" -- so tell me, Pigs, what do you think of our men and women in uniform who are fighting in those countries?
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.19.09 @ 9:40AM
Philip,
We know it is rotten, OK?
SO WHAT?
One cool thing I saw yesterday was Jim DeMint talking about the "pink-slip" campaign going on, basically saying "You are SO fired!"I did not catch the name of the org. but if you find it
please give us a link.
TEAM AMERICA would donate. www.myteamusa.org
Louis Jenkins| 11.19.09 @ 10:23AM
Dear Old Texican
World Net Daily, link for pink slips below.
http://superstore.wnd.com/stor....._ID=EMA194
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:49AM
Democrats love Demint. He is the biggest roll over in the party:
Last week, Sen. DeMint sought a vote on his amendment to extend the ban on terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay from being brought to American soil. Unfortunately, Senate Democrats blocked his effort and refused any debate or vote on the matter.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 10:16AM
Rassmussen
Tuesday, November 17, 2009
"A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 29% of voters favor the president’s decision not to try the suspects by military tribunal at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba where they are now imprisoned. Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure whether it was the right decision or not.
Deflated Dumbass
Thursday, November 19, 2009
"...Democrats blocked his effort and refused any debate or vote on the matter. "
Only 30% of Americans said suspected terrorists should have access to U.S. courts, while 54% favored military tribunals in July 2008, as the first such tribunal got under way at Guantanamo."
Ought to pay off nicely in about a year.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:21AM
Once the masterminds of 9/11 are tried and hung here in the States, those numbers will shift.
Dasboot| 11.19.09 @ 12:03PM
It's funny how you liberals all of a sudden site an ardent desire to punish terrorists who have killed Americans as a justification for giving the same enemy combatants the rights of American citizens in a civilian trial. Just admit it: you hate America.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 12:21PM
What? You have know idea what you are talking about. Enemy combatants have superior rights to American civilians.
In December 2006, the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was passed and authorized the establishment of military commissions subject to certain requirements and with a designated system of appealing those decisions. A military commission system addressing objections identified by the U.S. Supreme Court was then established by the Department of Defense. Litigation concerning the establishment of this system is ongoing.[3][4] As of June 13, 2007, the appellate body in this military commission system had not yet been constituted.
"Three cases had been commenced in the new system, as of June 13, 2007. One detainee, David Matthew Hicks plea bargained and was sent to Australia to serve a nine-month sentence.Two case were dismissed without prejudice because the tribunal believed that the men charged had not been properly determined to be persons within the commission's jurisdiction on June 4, 2007, and the military prosecutors asked the commission to reconsider that decision on June 8, 2007. One of the dismissed cases involved Omar Ahmed Khadr, who was captured at age 15 in Afghanistan after having allegedly killed a U.S. soldier with a grenade. The other dismissed case involved Salim Ahmed Hamdan who is alleged to have been Osama bin Laden's driver and is the lead plaintiff in a key series of cases challenging the military commission system.
I guarantee if those knuckleheads were in a US civilian court, they would have not gotten off scott free or weaker sentences.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 1:54PM
"Knuckleheads?" What an odd term of endearment to attach to bloodthirsty miscreants.
Let me try to get into the spirit of that kind of moral vision. Let's see:
Boy, that Torquemada was a real knucklehead.
Did Scotland Yard ever catch up with that knucklehead Jack the Ripper?
It sure was a good thing that Solzhenitsyn exposed all those knuckleheads who ran the Gulag.
When all is said and done, there's just no excuse for it: we have to admit that Stalin and Mao and Pol Pot, like Hitler, were real knuckleheads.
I dunno, pigs. Of course, I am not privileged with your enlightened view of the moral universe, but I can't help thinking that, in certain contexts, the use of the term "knucklehead" might perhaps be, well, knuckleheaded.
defeaetd pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:00PM
Knuckleheads was suppose to denote the actions of the military tribunal and not the terrorists. Those tribunals have more loopholes than the US Justice system.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 2:09PM
Oh. Seems like a stretch, but if your writing is THAT careless, mightn't the shabby expression be revelatory of the thought?
Confucius say, "Loose articulation of thinking indicative of loose thinking."
Thank you so much.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:28PM
I know, my hands don't stop for my brain sometimes. I'm a rookie blogger. Proofreading is actually something I'm going to work on. Starting tomorrow. Sorry for the confusion.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 9:58AM
http://www.sendcongressapinkslip.com/
You should hear demint talk about the website. It's a joke. Greta Van Frowzilla interviewed him and he sounded like a moron. "yeah, people just sign up on the website".
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:09AM
LMAO. THe site says you can send all members of congress a pink slip for $29.95. What a joke. 3 million people at 30 bucks equates to 90 million dollars. Talk about a waste of tax payers money.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:11AM
NOTE: Purchasing "SEND CONGRESS A PINK SLIP" from WND's online store also qualifies you to receive a FREE 3-month trial subscription to our immensely popular monthly print magazine, Whistleblower. Watch for the FREE offer during checkout.
I didn't know Demint doubled as a Magazine Salesman. lmao.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 10:46AM
I think it is amusing that Demint supports a faux campaign that is basically making the ceo of Worldnet daily filthy rich. The FBI needs to look into that. Sounds like he is using his position in congress as a tool to get his friends rich. Sounds like a refrigerator full of cash scheme in the making.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 11:21AM
Where did all the children go?
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.19.09 @ 11:29AM
Pigs, that was funny. Thank you.
Uhhh...except that $29.95 AIN'T "taxpayer's money". It is our own discretionary money. Unlike you, we have some of that.
Good laugh, kiddo.
Duh..guess what? We love entrepreneurs getting "filthy rich" providing a service we want.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 11:34AM
Your a taxpayer aren't you? Your still wasting money even if it is not a "tax". Those pinkslips are as useless as Demint trying to ban terrorists detained at Guantanamo Bay from being brought to American soil.
bill carson| 11.19.09 @ 11:46AM
I have to make one more comment about your lack of knowledge. In several of your above postings you use the word "your" when you should be using the word "you're." Do you know the difference? If you'd use correct English, you would not sound even more ignorant than you do.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 11:56AM
So to show you that I do know the difference here is an example of the proper way to use your and you're.
a) You're an English police dork.
b) Your English policing proves that your a dork.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 11:58AM
lol. b) is incorrect. Maybe I should proofread from now on.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 11:52AM
yeah I know the difference. I just don't proofread and I'm not on here to display my uber knowledge of the English language. I don't claim to be an english major but yes I do know the difference. Blogs and the english police go hand in hand especially to steer away from the topic at hand.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 12:05PM
Hey guys, here is something to use against dems. This one is really good:
LOS ANGELES – The daughter of Sen. John Kerry has been arrested in Hollywood for allegedly driving drunk.
Los Angeles police say 36-year-old Alexandra Kerry was stopped by officers on a Hollywood street at about 12:40 a.m. Thursday and failed a sobriety test.
Officer Bruce Borihanh says she was booked at the Hollywood police station and was held for about five hours. She was released at about 5:30 a.m. after posting $5,000 bail.
Borihanh didn't immediately have other details.
Alexandra Kerry is the eldest daughter of the Massachusetts senator, the Democrats' 2004 presidential nominee.
Doorgunner | 11.19.09 @ 12:48PM
She probably heard one of her father's recent interviews concerning Afghanistan and attempted to drown her shame. Poor woman.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 12:57PM
John was probably talking directly to her. That voice will make a nun drink. Rap it up Kerry, no one is listening.
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 12:32PM
Did we get off topic some how?
Jim O'Brien| 11.19.09 @ 12:56PM
The entire package of health care legislation devised by Obama and other Socialists (collectively defined as the "Swine") is designed to circumvent our rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The real intent of the Swine is to destroy private health insurance, making us all subject to the Swine dictatorship. We will have no choice regarding "authorized" treatments for our illnesses, or choice of medical insurance. The Swine plan will make private insurance grossly unaffordable on purpose, so that government insurance can be shoved down our throats. In fact, if we don't pay for insurance, then we will be forced to pay via fines, taxes, or imprisonment. If the Swine can force us to take and pay for government insurance, then it can do many other things, such as tell us that a particular drug is "essential" and if we don't take it we will be violating the Swine Law. Not only patients, but also doctors will be told what medicines and procedures are authorized by the Swine. Our lives will be endangered by denial of appropriate care, or long delays in receiving care. Medical research and development, the private sector innovation which has given us the best medical care in the world, will come to a screeching halt.
The Swine plan is completely unconstitutional, in that in takes away our right to life and liberty.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 1:03PM
No where in the constitution does it say Govt can't reform health care. In no way does this bill take away from life and liberty but on the contrary, it adds to it. The system is broken and it needs to be fixed and that's exactly why the repubes came up with their own health care reform bill. Unfortunately the bill was inferior so it looks like Reid's bill will win out.
Independent| 11.19.09 @ 1:48PM
Actually, it does say the government can't reform health care. The tenth amendment states "The powers not delegated to the United States (read: Federal Government) by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people." There is nothing in the Constitution saying the government HAS the power to reform health care, therefore that power is reserved to the states or people.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:04PM
States have an option to opt out. Maybe you should research the bill.
Louis Jenkins| 11.19.09 @ 2:43PM
One of those plans would be a government-run plan, or "public option," which states could theoretically opt out of, but they would not be able to opt out of paying the taxes required to subsidize the startup costs of the plan.
And since when have our illustrious state govenors passed up a federal program?
Independent| 11.19.09 @ 2:56PM
Maybe you should stick to the topic. The fact that the states have the option to opt out has nothing to do with the government reforming health care, which is the topic that you brought up "No where in the constitution does it say Govt can't reform health care".
Jim O'Brien| 11.19.09 @ 3:55PM
Right! Some readers here may want to check out a book titled "The Dirty Dozen", by Robert A. Levy and William Mellor. It's about 12 Supreme Court decisions that fly in the face of the Constitution, and is available on Amazon, or perhaps a local library.
Richard Baker| 11.19.09 @ 1:48PM
Defeated pigs:
Keep up the good work. You have a future in Vaudeville. Only liberals stand in the public square and demand that one and all watch them perform as lunatics. High comedic value, what?
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:05PM
This is for my amusement only and not the public squares amusement. I believe I'm the only one here who isn't a republican looking for a place to vent their frustrations.
bill carson| 11.19.09 @ 2:13PM
Maybe instead of venting your frustrations, you'd be better off getting an education and actually learning something.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 2:26PM
I'm not venting. I'm ridiculing. I'm saying this site is for republicans to vent their frustrations. Read the headlines.
I already have an education but I'm sure I can learn a lot more. We alll can.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 2:36PM
Read this headline, jackass.
http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10732
click the PDF
Your assertion @ 8:45-
"Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid unveiled his $848 billion health reform bill Wednesday ... would expand coverage to 94 percent of Americans through a government-run health insurance option — allowing states to opt out — and other features, all while reducing future federal deficits by $130 billion over the next 10 years, according to a Congressional Budget Office report "
-is a lie. And not even original, you just repeated another scumbag's (Reid).
And there' no such thing as a state opt-out when everybody is taxed Federally for the plan; those are meaningless words... also known as a lie.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 2:39PM
There's some mighty big words there; try to focus on the second to last paragraph.
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 2:41PM
"Well, the trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Ronald Reagan
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 2:42PM
For years, Americans were just concerned with watching sports and drinking beer and being consumers,” Roper said. “They were like bad puppies. Obama is like the rolled up newspaper smacking their butt. And now they’re baring their teeth. We’re at the stage kind of like the original 13 colonies around 1760. We’re at that awkward stage of the revolution when it’s too late to work within the system and too early to shoot the bastards.”
JeffT| 11.19.09 @ 2:48PM
Don't try to read the bill. It is literally incomprehensible. It is also reprehensible. It calls for the leviathan to take over your health care. That is all you need to discuss. No point getting bogged down in the "details," they are almost indecipherable. The same government that can't count "created or saved" jobs, the same that can't account for $98 billion in Medicare/Aid fraud. The list is endless. It is time we got out the pitch forks and torches and fired up the tar and unpacked the feathers. That will be the only thing these people will understand.
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.19.09 @ 3:30PM
SCHOOLBOY,
Welcome. Good teases.
Please drop in often.
George Soros spends...$7.50 per day for his paid idiots here...but hey, that is a nickel bag plus two beers.
the idiots cannot think beyond that. Their mommies pay everything else. heh....and even do their laundry.
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 4:56PM
Thanks for the welcome.
defeatd pigs| 11.19.09 @ 5:07PM
Who sells nickel bags anymore?
Pete | 11.19.09 @ 3:35PM
Seems to me that if something is broken you fix the parts that don't work and leave the parts that are working alone. That would be reform. This mammoth legislation is, as the article correctly labels it, simply and transparently an unworkable, unaffordable government takeover. The voters have spoken, and now they must be punished.
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 4:58PM
Is the bill published on the inter yet?
Buffalo| 11.19.09 @ 3:44PM
It appears we're getting "Patrick Henry" choice made for us and the choice is death. This (and any meger with Pelosi's bill) will eventually take away all our liberty in the name of reducing health care costs (see Great Britian). It futhermore sets the precedent that government's power over the people is unlimited. Say goodbye to the Constitutional part of "Constitutional Republic". RE-ELECT NO-ONE
Hal (GT) | 11.19.09 @ 3:46PM
There's absolutely no way this bill is good for America. Nothing the government has done has been cheap or helpful aside from a strong military to protect us. This is just going to increase in cost and cut medicare.
Curtis Rasmussen| 11.19.09 @ 3:46PM
"Under the Reid bill, for the first time in the nation's history, the federal government would force Americans to purchase a product merely because they are alive."
My ancestors were slaves that toiled under threat of punishment and death. Now the whole of the U.S. is under the same threat. Don't buy insurance? Go to prison and suffer tax penalties. Buy insurance? Die as some bureaucrat denies you coverage to save society a couple of pennies.
Welcome to slavery.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 5:48PM
The above quote is ridiculous. This is the same as car insurance. It's not like Reid has some crazy radical idea. Plus states can opt out if they want to.
Curtis Rasmussen| 11.19.09 @ 6:36PM
How many states will opt out when they are forced to pay in to it through federal taxes? Answer: none.
It's like car insurance my hiney. If I don't want to pay for car insurance, I can get rid of my car and take a bike or a bus. No matter how you parse your statements, I will not be able to get out of paying health insurance short of getting get rid of my life. And if I start to take out of the system more than I am paying in, then any number of 'health' boards will deny my treatment. That's indentured servitude though continued work and taxpaying to show the Feds that it's worth the trouble of keeping me alive.
Verminous leeches like you will always be around to suck the lifeblood of the hard working in America. Something-for-nothing disgusting troll.
School boy| 11.19.09 @ 5:00PM
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end, for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."-- C.S. Lewis
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 5:52PM
Hey guys, here is tomorrows spectator story:
RALEIGH, N.C. – The U.S. Army plans to prevent media from covering Sarah Palin's appearance at Fort Bragg, fearing the event will turn into political grandstanding against President Barack Obama, officials said Thursday.
Fort Bragg spokesman Tom McCollum told The Associated Press that the military post's garrison commander and other Army officials had decided to keep media away from Palin's book signing, which will not include a speech.
The AP and The Fayetteville Observer were protesting the decision to ban media.
defeated pigs| 11.19.09 @ 5:55PM
But you won't see this story:
On Thursday afternoon, Fox News issued an on-air apology delivered by host Jane Skinner:
Yesterday we told you about Sarah Palin kicking off her book tour and then we spoke to Sean Hannity about an interview that he did with former Governor Palin. When introducing the segment we showed you footage of people lining up in Michigan for a book signing that evening. In the tease before the segment, the tease to commercial, we told you how those people were already lining up to meet Palin. The problem is we didn't show you the video we were actually referencing. Instead we mistakenly aired what's called "file tape" of Sarah Palin. We didn't mean to mislead anybody in that tease. It was a mistake, and for that we apologize.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 7:13PM
Pigs--what are we supposed to make of the Ft. Bragg story and the Fox News techie apology? What the hell kind of postings are those? Don't you find School boy's quote of C.S. Lewis worth anything more than something to smother with ignoratio wham-whams?
Confucius say, "Empty noise no match for truth."
"No, thank you!" (Jose Ferrer in "Cyrano de Bergerac," 1950)
JimE| 11.19.09 @ 8:43PM
Too bad anus boy, fox already issued a public apology ( you can bet your hero olberman would never issue an apology for his bogus garbage).
Doorgunner| 11.19.09 @ 6:36PM
Yesterday you said Palin had a couple hundred people at her book signing at Grand Rapids. Today USA Today had her above the banner and covering half of page three with the story of her thousand plus crowd that braved freezing temperatures.
Yesterday, you mocked the Quinnipiac poll showing Obama dipping below a 50% approval rating, but today Rasmussen and Fox (yeah, I know it's a 'joke' to you- just not rest of America) agree, and Gallup has his approval at just 50% and his disapproval at 44% and climbing fast.
Yesterday you started with your Health Care Kos talking-pointlies and today you follow through by repeating Harry Reid's Greatest Whopper Ever Told, and, even after I provide with you the link to the CBO's repudiation of Reid's lie, you persist.
And you mock the Harvard Medical School Dean's characterization of the debate by closing with "I'm just saying that this is essentially a political fight with mudslinging and no real arguments. I disagree with the doctor and just because he went to Harvard doesn't impress me. Didn't Bush go to Yale or Harvard?"
And then the best of all: After spending how many weeks, months, here sh**ting on everyone, you trot out some lame-o sob-story that sounds like Eric Cartman auditioning for Maury Povich.
Boo-freakin'-hoo.
What happens tomorrow, Global Warming floods NYC by 2011 if we don't pass Crap & Trade... and we hear the story of how you born a crack-baby and your Mom prostituted you out when your three?
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.19.09 @ 7:14PM
Pigs, anyone can make a mistake. Fox admitted theirs. The other networks will not admit mistakes, and I could link a hundred of them if you were worth it.
You ain't.
Go to youtube and watch some videos. search : sarah palin book tour
Every communist and welfare baby in the country has their head exploding. I love it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPo9UDElrr0
is my favorite short one.
Little buddy, sooner or later you gotta' go make a living. Please don't join Obama's personal guards.
Your lifespan goes to zero then.
John II| 11.19.09 @ 7:19PM
Doorgunner, stop shooting fish in a barrel, ferchrissake. There's work to be done.
"Can't we all just extend some Christian charity to one another?" (Donald Meek in "Stagecoach," 1939)
[Stage direction: The disputants all stop and stare at him for a moment and then shout out in unison, "Aaaaa, shaddup!!!"]
Ken (Old Texican)| 11.19.09 @ 7:22PM
OOPs, I pasted the wrong link, Pigs. sorry.
You ain't worth lookin' up the right link. Sorry.
Richard Baker| 11.20.09 @ 2:22AM
Pigs:
Not venting frustrations, at all. The internet is providing the same sharing of information that the Committees of Correspondence did prior to the Revolution. Liberty and Freedom will be defended, one way or another, from tyranny. If you don't understand that then why are you still in America? Sic Semper Tyrannis.
Yosemeti Sam| 11.20.09 @ 9:39AM
"...This is a good deal for the American people," Sen. Tom Harkin boasted on MSNBC Wednesday after the unveiling of Senate Democrats' health care bill...."
Hah!
What else to expect from a reportedly 32 day
closed door - Capital Hill catacomb ? - huddle including senator Dudd to fashion a Frankenstein
healthscare bill for the toad in the White House
to sign.
Yosemeti Sam| 11.21.09 @ 9:50AM
Footnote suggestion - to the GOP senators:
Find 40 copies of the pocket edition of
The Constitution of The United States
of America.
Array yourselves on the steps of Capital Hill
in phalanx fashion and hold said copies over
your hearts. Await a cue from a photographer.
Say - cheese! - and chisel that tableau for
posterity. So's there's a remembrance of
of where the GOP - stood - at this threshold
of evaporating freedoms earnestly
engineered by the democrat party and its' accomplices in the swampland LMSM.
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