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The Face of Liberalism
Ted Kennedy, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
There are two faces of American liberalism. The uglier visage was described by James Burnham, who called it the “ideology of Western suicide.” But liberalism also played a storied role in the American Century, contributing to the defeat of Nazism, the death of Jim Crow, and a political consensus that endured fifty years for better or worse.
Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, dead of brain cancer at age 77, personified liberalism at its most decent and its most decadent. In his personal life, “degenerate” might often have been a better word. He took the Kennedy name from the glory of Camelot to the disgrace of Chappaquiddick, vacillating between the two from his famous Democratic National Convention address in 1980 to the William Kennedy Smith rape trial in 1991.
The man who would become a beloved father figure to the sons and daughters of his slain brothers, left another family’s daughter to die in an incident that would have ended virtually any other politician’s career — and should have ended his. Yet Kennedy paid less of a price for behavior that led to the death of a human being than did professional football player Michael Vick for cruelty to animals.
The senator from Massachusetts who spoke so eloquently and movingly about the right of black Americans to live free of humiliation and prejudice would go on to play sordid racial politics. Ted Kennedy often casually smeared his opponents as racists and bigots, most disgracefully during the confirmation hearings of Robert Bork. Bork’s nomination to the Supreme Court was defeated in part due to Kennedy’s ululations about segregated lunch counters.
An early Cold War liberal who railed against the Viet Cong in support of the Kennedy-Johnson interventions in Vietnam was by Richard Nixon’s presidency an ally of the Democratic Party’s McGovern wing. He would oppose the Reagan defense build-up that helped ring down the curtain on the Soviet Union and instead champion nuclear freeze.
The Catholic Democrat who believed government should protect the weak from the strong would waver when there were votes to be had from feminists but not the unborn. In 1971, Kennedy’s liberal compassion was consistent: “When history looks back to this era it should recognize this generation as one which cared about human beings enough to halt the practice of war, to provide a decent living for every family, and to fulfill its responsibility to its children from the very moment of conception.” But he ended his career voting to allow even partial-birth abortion.
Kennedy didn’t just follow the liberal herd, however. Even after his national stock plummeted, he was one of his party’s most effective and consequential legislators. Handed his brother John’s Senate seat like a family heirloom — “If your name was simply Edward Moore,” his Democratic primary opponent noted scathingly, “your candidacy would be a joke” — he wasted no time in making use of it.
Instead Kennedy cobbled together legislative majorities (often bipartisan) that expanded the federal government’s role in health care, boosted immigration levels, raised the minimum wage, increased environmental regulations, and enhanced legal protections for the disabled. Even many conservative Senate colleagues liked and admired him. Sen. Judd Gregg (R-N.H.) told an American Spectator dinner last year that Kennedy, unlike many others on Capitol Hill, kept his word. Writing more than a decade ago in National Review, John J. Miller accurately described Kennedy’s “clever mix of demagoguery and pragmatism” that made him “adept at sweet-talking the odd Republican” behind closed doors while he excoriated the GOP in public.
In Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy would also outgrow his brothers’ shadows. While the Camelot mythology has lingered longer there than in the rest of the country, Kennedy’s deep Bay State popularity had more to do with his ability to bring home the bacon. Unlike his colleague John Kerry, who is seen as aloof and disengaged from local concerns, Kennedy was as active in Massachusetts issues — even on behalf of the Boston business community — as he was the national legislative agenda. Kennedy’s staff was excellent and its delivery of constituent services legendary.
Only once, in that Republican year of 1994, was Kennedy seriously challenged for reelection. Mitt Romney briefly led him in statewide polls. But Kennedy ran an effective advertising campaign highlighting workers who had been laid off from Romney’s business enterprises. His base of senior citizens, liberals, and partisan Democrats held firm. Kennedy withstood the GOP tide and beat Romney by 17 points, even as Republican Gov. William Weld won a second term with 71 percent of the vote.
Now that Kennedy is gone, it is hard to see a Democratic leader on the horizon who possessses his unique blend of bipartisan dealmaking and unrelenting liberalism. Kennedy didn’t just bowl Republicans over — he often dragged them along with him, moving the country incrementally to the left. Democrats had better hope that their filibuster-proof Senate majority makes such skills superfluous. They wouldn’t want Ted Kennedy’s dream to die on their watch.
About the Author
W. James Antle, III, author of the new book Devouring Freedom: Can Big Government Ever Be Stopped?, is editor of the Daily Caller News Foundation and a senior editor of The American Spectator. You can follow him on Twitter @jimantle.
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Larryk| 8.26.09 @ 12:37PM
I think I'm gonna puke!
Solo| 8.26.09 @ 12:49PM
The democrat party's loss is America's gain.
Dixie Pixie| 8.26.09 @ 12:59PM
Teddy was beloved for his compassion for the poor.
What a crock pot of well boiled lies.
90% of all money supposedly taken for the poor stayed in Washington DC.
All the 'Poor” got was regulatory red tape while the Liberal Elite kept the money.
Is it any wonder Senator Kennedy was beloved by the Liberal Elite.
So be prepared for a perfumed fog of lies praising the “Liberal Lion”.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 1:00PM
Not a disease or death I would have wished on anyone. My fear is that now they will name the health care bill for him as "a monument to his memory". Watch out for leftist emotionalism. They think with their hearts not their minds.
The last of the Gracchii. R. I. P.
Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.26.09 @ 1:12PM
My Mom & Dad raised to believe, if you have nothing nice to say about someone, then don’t say anything at all. So I’ve got nothing to say here, except one thing, Let’s Go Yankees!!
cary loos| 8.26.09 @ 1:13PM
RIP. Our older and strongly liberal commisars
benefited from the economic growth of 1980-2006. Spending money, to help people, is easy when the coffers are overflowing. Now comes the hard part. Maintaining the behemoth will become more difficult as the reality of todays economy
becomes more and more apparent. I don't see
another Ted on the horizon. I hope that historians looking back from a 50 year perspective find the "liberal dream" to be just an overreaching for the end of history.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:18PM
someone drowns your daughter, you get 'upset'.
but Jacko's doc will be prosecuted for manslaughter.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:20PM
...but who ever said Justice exists outside of statutes?
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 1:21PM
In another obituary here, AmSpec writer Quin Hillyer noted that "decent people do not take potshots at others (unless the other is a Hitler or Stalin) in the 24 hours of the other's death" This is so true as to be self evident.
Look around this comments section as well as the comments sections in the other obituaries on AmSpec for a sense of the absolute lack of decency in (what passes for) the hearts of the Fox News Right. I would say "shame on them" but they don't know what "shame" is.
Ted Kennedy was human and he was a Liberal, with all the positive and negative things those terms imply. God rest his soul.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:24PM
think about it: one of the Kennedy, by marriage, clan murdered Ms. Moxley in '75; it took decades to bring the tard to 'Justice'.
Yet Jacko's doc will be prosecuted next year or the next.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:31PM
Toddlard,
your daughter's or sister's death by drowning would take the smarm out of your sails.
I clearly remember there was no doubt in August of sixty nine that Ted would walk for Mary Jo's manslaughter.
Dixie Pixie| 8.26.09 @ 1:31PM
Senator Kennedy was the Cardinal Richelieu of Liberalism without the Honor, Brains, or even the Nicer Qualities.
Bruce | 8.26.09 @ 1:35PM
SL Toddard says: "Look around this comments section as well as the comments sections in the other obituaries on AmSpec for a sense of the absolute lack of decency in (what passes for) the hearts of the Fox News Right. I would say "shame on them" but they don't know what "shame" is."
Really, sir? Then what is your excuse for comments left on sites such as the morally bankrupt Daily Kos or WaPo when a conservative has difficulties. So far as I recall - there has not been a conservative who has gotten away scot free with manslaughter. The left is the worst when it comes to a "lack of decency". In fact - few among them know the meaning of the word!
Kennedy was a pig. May he rot in hell and may Mary Jo finally have her justice.
Hank| 8.26.09 @ 1:46PM
Engage in dog fighting go to prison; opose the liberal agenda, get labeled a terrorist; leave a young girl to die a horrible death... get greatly rewarded. Only in America!!
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.26.09 @ 1:48PM
I had a dream. In this vision, I saw the liar of the senate’s chauffeur drive him up to the Pearly Gates. Before he could enter, he was knocked off his feet by about 50 million ant-sized creatures that proceeded to inflict on every millimeter of exposed flesh most painful venom-filled bites. Those that could find no skin to chomp, crawled into every opening of his clothing available and attacked every part of his body. Screaming, he lept to his feet and dashed around madly until he toppled over the railing of a bridge and into the pond below. Racked with pain, he crawled slowly onto the rocks. Immediately, he was set upon by an irate woman wielding the tire iron from a 1967 Oldsmobile. She stopped pummeling him when they both heard loud guffaws from an elderly gentleman who had been watching these events with an amused twinkle in his eyes. “Save me, kind sir!” pleaded the wounded politician. “Too late.” replied the elder. “The bus to your final destination is just down this hill. The souls of these butchered children and Mary Jo’s firm hand will assure that you do not stray from this path.” “But, but, I want to go through those gates.” “In your dreams,” replied Saint Peter. Finally, Mary Jo’s spirit can rest in peace.
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Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:49PM
way way back in the day, liberalism meant something; now it means squishyness.
The real question that has to be asked a thousand times is why if someone is so sweetness 'n' light do they come to rightwing blogs? If they have so much faith in human nature they can go to buddhist gay pacifist vegetarian pedophile sites. Now, despite all squishy-efforts, the world might become more tedious-yet-violent than Toddlard and his ilk think it might become, but tough toenails. You dig your own grave, chump. 'Fraid so old chap-- sorry. This isn't Angka, we don't make all the rules.
So very sorry to hurt anybody's precious little feelings.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 1:52PM
Mr. Toddard,
Most of us concur with you and the need for decency. God will judge although I do remember the "protest signs"uring the Reagan funeral of "rot in hell". Overall a sad commentary on the state of our political beliefs.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:55PM
Please don't forget:
even rightwing blogs do not necessarily enjoy hurting anyone's wittle sensitive feelings. We do it because we're human, we're all human here; why, on a good day we are practically humanists.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 1:56PM
"Really, sir? Then what is your excuse for comments left on sites such as the morally bankrupt Daily Kos or WaPo when a conservative has difficulties."
I do not "excuse" the Left for anything. I condemn Liberalism and the parties that aggressively promote it, and consistently condemn far-left Liberal politicians from Obama to George W Bush, Bill Clinton, John McCain and the rest.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 1:59PM
Mr. Adab (may I call you Al?),
don't apologize, you don't even have to explain. This isn't the NYT site.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 1:59PM
"way way back in the day, liberalism meant something"
If you go far back enough to when "liberalism" meant "classical liberalism", then yes. But early the last century it came to mean Big Government statism and Wilsonian interventionism, both of which are Liberal by definition and now fully embraced by both major parties and are - absolutely - odious and un-American in the extreme.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 2:03PM
Mr. Brooks,
Al is just fine thank you, please feel free. Civility in discourse is something we learned from Bill Buckley, rest his soul, and I try to carry that torch.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 2:08PM
"God will judge although I do remember the "protest signs"uring the Reagan funeral of "rot in hell"
I should think we could all agree that this was indecent, crude, un-Christian and immoral, though the Democrat Left considered him a "murderer" and so forth. That the Fox News Right has become as crass as the Democrat Left is hardly news - or rather, perhaps it is. One may witness that crassness nearly every night on the news in the footage of town-hall protesters carrying guns and implying threats to the Commander In Chief - in War Time, while our troops are fighting on foreign soil.
How quickly the Fox News Right forgets its own guidelines for patriotic behavior.
Trotters = defeeted pigs| 8.26.09 @ 2:16PM
Can we not render his corpse to recover ethanol?
Would that not be a fitting eco friendly homage?
Green Kennedy for a Light Unto Personkind!
I am trying to be conciliatory and constructive here. It is a terrible shame that they wasted Mitch Snyder.
George | 8.26.09 @ 2:19PM
The drunkard is dead long live the drunkard. This man killed a young woman after having sex with her. He then ran like the coward he was trying to get away with murder. He now will stand a quick and just trial for this and all the other lies he told. There will be no delay, no appeal just simple justice. This piece of human garbage and his legacy will live in my mind when ever I hear a Senator speak. They are all made of the same cloth, filth.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 2:21PM
"How quickly the Fox News Right forgets its own guidelines for patriotic behavior."
EDIT - that should read "phony guidelines", as they now have been proven to be. Note that Mike Huckabee was recently America-bashing on the dreaded "foreign soil". Not a word of protest from the Fox News Right though - another absurd, opportunistic fraud of a guideline which they only enforce when the other party does it.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 2:37PM
'That the Fox News Right has become as crass as the Democrat Left is hardly news - or rather [snip] One may witness that crassness nearly every night on the news in the footage of town-hall protesters carrying guns and implying threats to the Commander In Chief - in War Time, while our troops are fighting on foreign soil."
foreign soil? my old friend FM Esfandiary used to chirp "there are no foreign nations".
But Toddard, who was it that trashed civility? Dwight Eisenhower? No I think it started in earnest with someone far more evil than Ted. To give you hint, the guy was JFK's veep.
Michael L. Hauschild| 8.26.09 @ 2:39PM
We are about to enter the "Weekend at Bernie's" stage of the health care debate.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 2:43PM
no politician deserves to be in Hell more than Lady Bird's wife.
how could she have married an a-hole like that?
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 2:49PM
Lady Bird was the real husband: too bad she was an enabler. Do you know what her egomaniacal wife did as president from sixty five to sixty eight?
RIP Lady Bird.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 2:52PM
"But Toddard, who was it that trashed civility? Dwight Eisenhower? No I think it started in earnest with someone far more evil than Ted. To give you hint, the guy was JFK's veep."
LBJ was a monster, true, rivaled perhaps only by his ideological progeny, Big Government brother-in-arms and Liberal Wilsonian Interventionist offspring George W. Bush. The parallels between these two war criminals are as profound as they are numerous and uncanny - both nominally Texans, both vastly expanded the size and scope of the federal government, both were fiscally irresponsible in the extreme and spent the people's money while running up the defecit to record-setting levels, both started and maintained massive federal social programs while steadfastly refusing to reduce social spending and both used trumped-up evidence to launch us into unjust wars that cost us the lives of thousands of soldiers. Obviously no Conservative with principles could do anything but condemn anyone with such a record.
Still, LBJ was not the first un-civil politician, and we are speaking here of the incivility of the people.
Robbins Mitchell| 8.26.09 @ 2:56PM
Is Nazi Joe's last big mistake still dead?
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:15PM
good point, Robbins; Papa Joe bet on the wrong horse in the totalitarian Big race.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:21PM
I don't get Toddard. He is probably-- hard to say with him--trying to square a circle by being lib and con at the same time.
look, Dubya is NOT comparable to LBJ; Dubya, like Jimmuh, was in way over his head, but he, they, meant well.
LBJ was evil beyond all belief.
Cris Worth| 8.26.09 @ 3:25PM
Ted's final resting place should not be Arlington. It's a desecration for him to lie next to true heroes who sacrificed themselves in defense of our country. Ted inflicted 47 years of considerable damage to his state and the nation most of it irreversible. Massachusetts authorities had a chance to cut his Senate career 40 years short only if they had enforced state laws and convicted him of multiple felonies. Oh what could have been!
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:28PM
Again, again, again (again):
why comment at AS when someone of your erudition could get paid for writing puff pieces elsewhere?
Gay Homeless Whale Gazette is hiring now.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:28PM
"Dubya is NOT comparable to LBJ; Dubya, like Jimmuh, was in way over his head, but he, they, meant well."
I will concede that the personalities and dispositions you have invented for them in your head may be dissimilar, but their records - which I laid out above quite clearly - are remarkably identical.
And I am not "being lib and con at the same time" - I am simply a Conservative, and Conservatives *by definition* oppose Big Government, wasteful spending, federal social programs and the unnecessary waste of soldiers' lives in unnecessary and unjust wars.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:32PM
why would Toddard waste one second here? he wont change our minds on anything. What does he want? to pick our brains?
okay, how about this: "GEORGE W. BUSH WAS ALMOST AS INCOMPETENT AS JIMMY CARTER."
satisfied?
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:32PM
"why comment at AS when someone of your erudition could get paid for writing puff pieces elsewhere"
Because AmSpec purports to be a "conservative" magazine. Just because I am usually the only Conservative here doesn't mean I don't belong here. It's those who are Republican Party loyalists first and conservatives not at all who don't belong here - those who "rediscover their principles" only when Democrats are in office, those who refuse to oppose unconservative Republicans, and those who support Big Government liberalism with their vote (by voting for Big Government Republicans) while pretending to oppose it otherwise.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:33PM
alrighty?
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:35PM
"he wont change our minds on anything"
Believe me, I do not expect to convert you to Conservatism. You people are so far down the Big Government rabbit hole that you cannot even remember what Conservatism IS.
People loyal to a Party instead of (conservative) principle are rarely eager to recognize themselves as such.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:39PM
"GEORGE W. BUSH WAS ALMOST AS INCOMPETENT AS JIMMY CARTER."
That's a bit unfair, don't you think? Bush allowed the worst terrorist attack in American history on his watch, costing us over 3,000 lives. Then he launched a war to deprive Iraq of weapons that didn't exist - costing us over 4,000 lives. No matter what you think of Carter, his incompetence never cost us 8,000+ American lives as Bush's did.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:39PM
ohhhhhhhhh. geez. Toddard, you should have been born into my family.
who, or whom (i went to publik skools) was it who poisoned American politics? Ike and Reagan?
No, it was Jimmuh, and before him that Thing who became president because JFK was whacked.
alrighty? let's see how many computer discs we can fill.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:40PM
Sorry - 7,000+
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:43PM
are you saying Bush "allowed" 9-11 as FDR allowed Pearl Harbor?
you should have over to dinner at our house in the sixties.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 3:45PM
OK you two. Lets get the discussion back on track here, eh? Let the dead bury the dead and remember that the Liberty of America is the "last best hope of mankind". Too bad Hope has been co-opted for the sake of social engineering.
There is quite enough blame to go around. We should all pray that we learn from the past and do not repeat those mistakes.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:46PM
...the guy with the afro, circa summer of sixty eight, would have enjoyed talking to you at our dinner table.
Now he's in prison. Coke.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 3:51PM
"Toddard, you should have been born into my family.
who, or whom (i went to publik skools) was it who poisoned American politics? Ike and Reagan?"
It has been a long process ongoing since Lincoln. Wilson and FDR further poisoned the well, but all during this time there was at least a Conservative opposition. That ceased to exist after Bill Buckley rose to prominence and the Republicans followed Buckley's instruction en masse "to accept Big Government" and "a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores".
And I hardly think anyone can argue that they didn't. They stopped opposing Liberalism and started opposing Democrats. They ceased promoting Conservatism and instead promoted Republicans. They replaced Principle with Party, and now we are here on the verge of the abyss, with no party opposed to Big Government Liberalism at all.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:54PM
okay, Al. I'll cut it out. just tell us why it is oddard can't get it that this is a rightwing conservative blog, and not merely a conservative one? There are even neo-Confederates such as Red at AS.
Mike Giles| 8.26.09 @ 3:55PM
On Ted Kennedy, the less said, the better. Only a Liberal could find anything "good or decent" in either his life or Senate career. Okay, 'nough said.
On the subject, of "respectful commentary; the left expects - no make that relies upon - the right to maintain a polite response in the face of the vilest charges and the most outrageous lies. As the anger at town hall meetings shows, at long last that particular standard is dying a well deserved death.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 3:58PM
Al Adab is correct, we two are not going anywhere with this, case in point:
"That ceased to exist after Bill Buckley rose to prominence and the Republicans followed Buckley's instruction en masse "to accept Big Government" and "a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores."[!]
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:02PM
"are you saying Bush "allowed" 9-11 as FDR allowed Pearl Harbor?"
Not in the way I think you mean. There is evidence (of which I am no expert) FDR purposely allowed it to get his wish to enter a war which the American people wanted no part of. Bush's was simply a failure to stop the attack - I certainly do not mean to imply he was in on it.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:05PM
anyway, Red and oddard have something in common, they want to go back as far as the Lincoln era to assign culpability; so why not blame Adams and Hamilton, too?
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:06PM
"just tell us why it is oddard can't get it that this is a rightwing conservative blog"
Because it's not. It's a site populated by party loyalists who support a fiscally irresponsible, Big Government, Liberal Wilsonian Internationalist party that is by no means "conservative" in any sense.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:07PM
"Red and oddard have something in common, they want to go back as far as the Lincoln era to assign culpability; so why not blame Adams and Hamilton, too?"
Or LBJ?
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:09PM
"Al Adab is correct, we two are not going anywhere with this, case in point:
"That ceased to exist after Bill Buckley rose to prominence and the Republicans followed Buckley's instruction en masse "to accept Big Government" and "a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores."[!]"
Oh my. You really ARE unfamiliar with the history of conservatism!
"we have got to accept Big Government for the duration–for neither an offensive nor a defensive war can be waged...except through the instrumentality of a totalitarian bureaucracy within our shores"
- William F. Buckley
"A Young Republican View"
The Commonweal
January 25, 1952.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:10PM
of course FDR purposely accidentally-on-purpose allowed Pearl Harbor. what a no-brainer. What did FDR do to protect Hawaii?
call my family up sometime.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:14PM
"of course FDR purposely accidentally-on-purpose allowed Pearl Harbor. what a no-brainer"
Mr. Brooks, this may be the case. All I am saying is that I am not familiar enough with the subject of what LBJ did and did not know to take a definitive position or wage an argument either way.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:15PM
How else could we defeat the Soviet Empire? WFB wasn't an all-knowing Futurist. Invent a time machine so you can go back to '52 and change history.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:17PM
" All I am saying is that I am not familiar enough with the subject of what LBJ did and did not know to take a definitive position or wage an argument either way"
you meant FDR. c'mon.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:18PM
"How else could we defeat the Soviet Empire? WFB wasn't an all-knowing Futurist"
It's fine to argue that Big Government Totalitarianism was necessary, as long as you recognize it is NOT conservatism.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:25PM
"Or LBJ?"
Yes, he was the proximate cause-agent. And JFK's inability to keep his trousers was morally dissonant.
We let people rut like goats in heat and spread even more STDs than would be spread if we had a tiny bit of morality instead of none.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:27PM
"It's fine to argue that Big Government Totalitarianism was necessary, as long as you recognize it is NOT conservatism."
you are one hell of a champion of the obvious.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 4:32PM
Gotta love you guys.
Check out Indentured Grandchildren article from the A S site and read what the battle is truly about.
We could start the blame game with Hamilton who proposed it was good to have the ability to borrow a federal power. Lincoln of course suspended Habeus Corpus and had the Maryland legislature arrested (by the army) to prevent a secession vote. Roosevelt (Teddy) was an activist, big government guy (the progressive era, Income Tax etc.) the other Roosevelt imprisoned the Americans who were Japaneese and ... well, 'nough said. On it goes. All have fallen short. The less we expect, the better off we will be which is the reason for Limited Government.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 4:34PM
"The less we expect, the better off we will be which is the reason for Limited Government."
And Limited Government is the reason to oppose the GOP - a Big Government Totalitarian party.
Al Adab| 8.26.09 @ 4:53PM
Friend Toddard,
You won't get an argument out of me.
Time to ressurect the Federalist Party. Maybe a few Blue Dogs and the surviving Conservatives could all meet up in the Congressional cloak room and decide to realign. Might give us all a fighting chance.
This has turned out to be a fun day. Thanks guys.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 4:59PM
you could even fault Adams, he was a step down from George Washington. And Jefferson might have thought the French Revolution would liberate Europe. But who knows what he thought; going by what people say is near-worthless.
Lincoln was not a decent person, but neither were Southerners. And they are still sluts.
Robert E. Lee was, on the other hand, a decent guy and statesman. Too bad Jeff Davis was a reptile.
Liberate Mass. Finally| 8.26.09 @ 5:03PM
Kennedy's last prayer: "May I be in heaven a half-hour before the devil knows I'm dead."
Amen.
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.26.09 @ 5:26PM
S.L. Toddard, how dare you, sir! I have been called many things in my time, but never anything so vile as republi-con. I am a bible-thumping, gun toting, strict Constitutionalist, fiscally responsible Conservative. I demand satisfaction. Might I suggest cream pies at 20 feet tomorrow morning? If I let this slight pass, people might start accusing me of being an obumoron. If I have ever erred by writing and posting anything ever that might lead you to believe otherwise, do bring it to my attention. I am willing to correct any mistake I have made. Are you? You paint with too broad a brush.
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com
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Jas Murphy| 8.26.09 @ 5:49PM
I imagine Pelosi will rush to re-name the health care bill (whatever that is) in honor of Ted Kennedy. Then we shall have the pleasure of seeing both it and Obama sink beneath the waves of of public outrage. If universal health care was indeed this senator's most passionate commitment for 40 years, he was remarkably ineffective at making any progress toward its implementation.
Jas Murphy| 8.26.09 @ 5:51PM
Why don't you cheese dicks take your little discussions outside and let the adults post comments like my own magnificent commentary.
S.L. Toddard| 8.26.09 @ 6:16PM
"you meant FDR. c'mon."
Haha. Indeed. Touche!
"Lincoln was not a decent person, but neither were Southerners. And they are still sluts"
What on earth are you talking about? It was you who sought "to go back" and "assign culpability". I still am not sure what you are assigning culpability for, and am now confused by what you mean by "poison American politics". I took that question to mean "When did we first significantly depart from the system of gov't bequeathed to us by the Founders" Otherwise I cannot imagine what you mean. I do not assign culpability to Lincoln for the GOP's embracing Big Government Liberalism at home and Liberal Wilsonian Internationalism abroad.
As for "neither were Southerners" - to slander a whole nation of people with such foul calumny is obviously ludicrous. Southerners were not "decent" people? If that is true then you can make that argument about any group of people in the world, including my New Englander forbears who helped conquer our neighbors to the south.
Conrad Spiracy| 8.26.09 @ 6:37PM
S.L.
You seem to write a bit more cogently than you did with your previous psuedonym, David Matthews. The frequency of your posts and your desire to rebut everything anyone says in reply to you have revealed your true self. Keep going and you'll also be banned under your new nom de guerre.
You are definitely NOT a conservative. And I don't know from where you get this "Fox News Right" label. I served my country, was honorably discharged, received a service connected disability rating, and have been a "right of Rush" conservative WAAAYYY before Fox was a glint in Rupert's eye - before CNN became Ted's wet dream incarnate - before the Reagan revolution in which I rejoiced.
>> "I would say "shame on them" but they don't know what "shame" is. "
Conrad Spiracy| 8.26.09 @ 6:39PM
Dang - Anyone know why the AS blog truncates when taking a bit longer time to compose? I had about 4 paras after the above that didn't make it to post. I'd redo, but have to run errands.
Maybe later.
Con Spiracy
Paul Kotik | 8.26.09 @ 6:43PM
Ted Kennedy was a guy who left a girl to drown alone in a submerged car that night. She apparently survived for quite a while in that car, and died of asphyxiation in that shrinking air pocket inside it while Kennedy attended to his own comforts and career prospects. Beyond this, there's little to be said about Ted Kennedy. Depraved indifference to human suffering. Just the guy to husband the nation's health care, alright.
Martin Owens| 8.26.09 @ 6:52PM
De mortuis nil nisi bonum.
Robert Rosencrans| 8.26.09 @ 7:10PM
You claim that liberalism contributed to the defeat of Nazism. That's the first time I've heard the American military of WWII era referred to as liberal.
The statement is odd on another level. Liberalism and Nazism are kissing cousins, so why would liberals have wanted to destroy Nazism?
Frankly, this is one of the stupidest most unfounded articles I have ever observed at The American Spectator.
Here's something right off the top off my head.
Ted Kennedy's lack of character contributed to the death of another human being. No explanation given by Ted Kennedy ever explained his actions after the accident which lead to the death of Mary Jo Kopechne.
Basically, he copped a plea to a traffic offense and walked away, claiming that he would accept personal responsibility. That never happened.
Then he spent time in the U.S. Senate convincing stupid Republicans to help him pass legislation destroying various industries in America.
For this he should be honored? It may seem cruel, it may seem ill timed, but it's misperceptions and rewriting history which has taken us to the edge of a takeover by political socialism.
The individual known as Ted Kennedy wanted a world where you are subservient to the state, where your desires are subservient to those of bureaucrats, and where your ambition is subservient to the ideologies of statists.
In short, no eulogy could the truth justice, because there is not justice in misleading the public.
There appears to be a wholesale rush to the land of misconceptions and perhaps it's because it's considered an act of decency to not speak ill of the dead. Yet, the rosy glowing language surrounding his history is filled with half truths and outright lies.
May he rest in peace but little is accomplished by making him out to be anything more then he was, someone who got away with murder.
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Cris Worth| 8.26.09 @ 7:44PM
Did you know Ted drove with an expired driver's license on the night of July 18, 1969. It had expired 5 months before and not renewed. The police asked Ted for his driver's license and car registration and he said it was in the car. Enforcing Massachusetts state laws the police should have arrested Ted, checked DMV, checked blood alcohol , checked prior auto mishaps and performed autopsy on dead girl then charging Ted with multiple felonies including vehicular manslaughter in essence ending his political career.
Quartermaster| 8.26.09 @ 8:20PM
Steel loses strength as it gets hot. The jet fuel from the ruptured tanks in the aircraft provided a flame with sufficient heat to warm the steel above 500F, the point at which steel begins to lose strength. An additional factor was the loss of some of the structure on the floors which were affected by impact of the crash. These two factor combined to bring the buildings down. The film I have seen shows a textbook collapse caused by structural failure at one area of the structure bringing down the rest of the structure. As an Engineer, I have serious problems with the controlled demolition of the WTC towers fantasy, as it wasn't controlled at all.
There's nothing wrong with attributing Lincoln's work to Lincoln. He started the rise of the unitary FedGov by conquering the south. Those who deny this will believe anything.
The Republicans were also the party of big government from the beginning. Henry Clay, a prominent Whig had a disciple named Lincoln. The Whigs collapsed, and the Republican Party was formed from the rump of the Whigs and became strong enough to run a candidate in the 1856 election, John C. Fremont, who did quite well, but was beaten by James Buchanan. Lincoln was the next, and won. Lincoln was able to enact all of Henry Clay's American System, plus form the foundation of the unitary FedGov, which curses us to this day.
Lastly, FDR's administration was actually at fault for Pearl Harbor. Stinnett got copies of the Navy Radio traffic that showed certain parts of the Navy knew where the Jap task force was located. Nagumo's task force was not under EMCON at the time, but the info was not passed onto Admiral Stark, CNO at the time, or Kimmel and Short.
If you think a man is aloon to blame FDR's administration for Pearl Harbor, then you have to be regarded as seriously misinformed and ignorant, and intentionally so. The evidence presented by Stinett, who still an FDR supported even after presenting the evidence, is too damning to ignore. Read "Day of Deceit" sometime. It's quite enlightening what someone will do so he can be regarded as "great."
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 8:22PM
Here is the main mistake you make, Toddard: "[AS] is a site populated by party loyalists who support a fiscally irresponsible, Big Government, Liberal Wilsonian Internationalist party that is by no means 'conservative' in any sense."
there is no genuine consensus at AS as there is at more authoritarian, or totalist sites; AS is a forum for everyone from Red the neoConfederate to Daphne Kenward and her "The Jews killed JFK" (chalk it up to Daphne's PMS). Neo-cons do not dominate AS. Besides, politics isn't static, and neither is AS-- it is not a utopian conservative magazine anymore than it is a neocon mag.
Swear, I've never read anything written by anyone as smart but as naive as you Toddard. You must be well under the age of 50. To have a heart of a liberal when young is fine; to have the brain of a liberal when older is foolish and self destructive.
I never said Southerners were worse than Northerners, but the South being poorer has a lower morality-- when you're poor you have more sex to ease the pain of having less divesions. I'm no prude, it is that you have to choose: will it be moral dissonance or moral clarity? then you take the consequences. Or at the very least someone else does.
The North was mercenary; however the South didn't think carefully enough when it chose the bad causes of slavery and western expansionism. The Nazis made the same mistake by choosing the bad cause of Eastern expansionism.
you don't get rewarded for making bad choices.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 8:29PM
that is to say, the Nazis chose the bad causes of slavery and Eastern expansionism. The Soviets tried to erect a buffer in the West.
The Soviets were always violent, but they eventually got so corrupted they invaded Afghanistan in a blatant imperialist war using both regular and irregular forces. Luckily for us, the Soviets were their own worst enemies.
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.26.09 @ 8:39PM
Alan Brooks, I think the Brothers Kennedy disprove your assertion that “the South being poorer has a lower morality-- when you're poor you have more sex to ease the pain of having less divesions (sic)”. Who, other than porn sluts, has had more sex than Jack, Bobby, Teddy and their brother-in-bed Bill?
Jew-hater, crawl back into your septic tank of despair into which you were righteously flushed.
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Richard Baker| 8.26.09 @ 9:49PM
Dead and gone. Hooray for America. God save the Republic from such as him.
jd| 8.26.09 @ 10:14PM
Ted Kennedy should not be glorified in death just because he was a "Kennedy", or because he was "for healthcare reform" or because he was for "education" ( as if nobody is for that). The problem with him and liberalism itself is that however noble sounding their aims are, however lofty their goals, they are never held responsible for disastrous results and outcomes which oftentimes were worse then the original problems. Just take a look at Kennedy's supposed triumphs and in reality they were failures. He may have been the consummate politician, full of charisma and charm, and boy could he cite Irish nationalism or shed a tear or two for his slain bros, but always with an underlying sense of his doing so solely for political advantage. Let's be honest about the Kennedys: all they truly cared about was money and power. His one test in his adult life that showed his true character was Chappaquiddick. Even to the end he was trying to subvert the democratic process by trying to ensure his Senate seat to another crony of his choosing. If he truly cared for Massachusetts he would have resigned a year ago. God is the ultimate judge, but I can't help but think that last night the gates of hell opened just a little wider, welcoming Teddy to his eternal home. His money, Kennedy name, and power won't save him now.
Alan Brooks| 8.26.09 @ 10:29PM
"Alan Brooks, I think the Brothers Kennedy disprove your assertion that “the South being poorer has a lower morality-- when you're poor you have more sex to ease the pain of having less divesions (sic)”. Who, other than porn sluts, has had more sex than Jack, Bobby, Teddy and their brother-in-bed Bill?"
Guillotine,
I'm not lib anymore, so I don't have to be "nice' (not).
sure those people were satyrs. But the region containing the most satyrs and nymphos is the South. Now, people can do what they want. But when it affects THEIR families then they get violent. Seduce my teenage daughter and you'll say "all's fair". but if some old goat does your teenager then you get riled. BTW, there is no longer any reason not to despair.
Clintidote| 8.26.09 @ 10:42PM
Any day that finds that bloated, drunken, bimbokilling, grasping, greedy, parasitic gasbag in Hell is a good day.
Especially this day. Now he pays, at long last.
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.26.09 @ 11:18PM
Alan Brooks, kindly cite to me all your references that establish that the South is any more sex-crazed than are other parts of the country. Unless you can, you are no better than the Jew-hater. Just another bigot. And I truly have no idea what you’re ranting about what with “But when it affects THEIR families then they get violent. Seduce my teenage daughter and you'll say "all's fair". but if some old goat does your teenager then you get riled.” Please explain. And just what has this to do with sex in the South or anywhere else?
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Conrad Spiracy| 8.27.09 @ 12:02AM
Maybe a bit late to organize, but what if... WHAT IF... we got a big enough contingent to prevent the funeral procession from entering Arlington?
That adultering, alcoholic, anti-American murderer does not deserve to be buried there - regardless of the "heroism" of his brothers.
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Alan Brooks| 8.27.09 @ 12:15AM
ominous headline: 'Kennedy successor list could include family '
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Edward Kennedy, Senator and Democratic Icon, Dies - Massachusetts (MA) - Page 3 - Cit links to this page. Here’s an excerpt:
Alan Brooks| 8.27.09 @ 12:40AM
gill,
I spent alot of time in N. Carolina, and was propositioned by men, women, even once in a while kids. or at least there was flirting.
but that was decades ago, maybe the situation is different.
People are free here to do what they want, AND my family was lib so it doesn't disturb me at all, that sort of things sticks to a guy... libguilt.
but, please no mention of morality-- this is the 21st century; there is no longer any real morality.
Only situational ethics.
Alan Brooks| 8.27.09 @ 12:42AM
if you wont mention mores, I wont, either.
what is there to say?
asdf| 8.27.09 @ 5:21AM
Steel loses strength as it gets hot. The jet fuel from the ruptured tanks in the aircraft provided a flame with sufficient heat to warm the steel above 500F, the point at which steel begins to lose strength. An additional factor was the loss of some of the structure on the floors which were affected by impact of the crash. These two factor combined to bring the buildings down. The film I have seen shows a textbook collapse caused by structural failure at one area of the structure bringing down the rest of the structure. As an Engineer, I have serious problems with the controlled demolition of the WTC towers fantasy, as it wasn't controlled at all.
There's nothing wrong with attributing Lincoln's work to Lincoln. He started the rise of the unitary FedGov by conquering the south. Those who deny this will believe anything.
The Republicans were also the party of big government from the beginning. Henry Clay, a prominent Whig had a disciple named Lincoln. The Whigs collapsed, and the Republican Party was formed from the rump of the Whigs and became strong enough to run a candidate in the 1856 election, John C. Fremont, who did quite well, but was beaten by James Buchanan. Lincoln was the next, and won. Lincoln was able to enact all of Henry Clay's American System, plus form the foundation of the unitary FedGov, which curses us to this day.
Lastly, FDR's administration was actually at fault for Pearl Harbor. Stinnett got copies of the Navy Radio traffic that showed certain parts of the Navy knew where the Jap task force was located. Nagumo's task force was not under EMCON at the time, but the info was not passed onto Admiral Stark, CNO at the time, or Kimmel and Short.
If you think a man is aloon to blame FDR's administration for Pearl Harbor, then you have to be regarded as seriously misinformed and ignorant, and intentionally so. The evidence presented by Stinett, who still an FDR supported even after presenting the evidence, is too damning to ignore. Read "Day of Deceit" sometime. It's quite enlightening what someone will do so he can be regarded as "great."
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Appleby| 8.27.09 @ 6:46AM
Its hardly worth posting on this thread, as it has already turned into a sandbox referendum on President Bush, for Lords sake.
However, I will post the famous words of Opinion Journal which I think express my feelings better than any other.
Mary Joe Kopechne could not be reached for comment.
Ian| 8.27.09 @ 6:54AM
Any time I hear how wonderful Mr. Kennedy way, I think of a young woman trapped in the dark, in water she could not see, and gasping for air until it ran out.
I feel like Miss Daisy. I think I am going to spit up.
TM| 8.27.09 @ 8:20AM
And now Mary Jo's death will finally be vindicated by the One Almighty -
Teddy finally met his maker yesterday when he took that last breath. If he did not ask for forgiveness then well that will be something he will spend eternity paying for.
Louis Jenkins| 8.27.09 @ 9:17AM
It is best to allow the Maker to sort out the details with ol' Teddy boy and make an informed decision. However, here there is no feeling of remorse or regret at the sot's passing. I imagine he will first ask 'when is happy hour?' when he arrives at his destination. His body won't have to be embalmed, it is already pickled.
C.D. Lueders| 8.27.09 @ 10:03AM
46 years in the senate -- a minimum of 26 of those years should have been in prison! BTW, Mary Jo did not drown -- her autopsy showed that she was asphyxiated. Obstensibly there was approximately 5 minutes of air trapped in the car.
Anthony| 8.27.09 @ 10:09AM
Well, at least Antle hasn't drunk the kool-aid, like Cline did in another TAS article today.
However, Mr. Antle, once again, warns us of the corruption of collegial inbreeding, to wit, decades of coziness amoung the members of Club Senate.
The fact that a buffoon and degenerate, like Kennedy, could pursuade Republican collegues into taking his position, speaks volumes for TERM LIMITS.
Northern Rebel| 8.27.09 @ 10:45AM
A few days ago, there was a nice, but sad article about the death of author Dean Koontz' dog.
I have more compassion for the dog, than Kennedy.
Trixie never killed anyone.
gill.Oteen07041776@gmail.com| 8.27.09 @ 11:07AM
Alan Brooks, all you have is anecdotal evidence? You can get “propositioned by men, women, even once in a while kids” simply walking down a street in Las Vegas, Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York City or many other of this country’s major cities. Why, at one time you could get propositioned in Barney Frank’s basement. It’s called prostitution. Maybe you’re just so beautiful that they couldn’t keep their hands off you. Maybe they found your yankee accent sexy. You are just a filthy bigot unless you provide some actual facts to support your position about the South being sexually more depraved than the rest of the country. And I still have no idea what you’re ranting about what with “But when it affects THEIR families then they get violent. Seduce my teenage daughter and you'll say "all's fair". but if some old goat does your teenager then you get riled.” Please explain. And just what has this to do with sex in the South or anywhere else?
Gill O’Teen ✝✡
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Don’t Tread on Me!!
Robert Brennan| 8.27.09 @ 11:37AM
The British Prime Minister Harold McMillan said it first...Upon meeting JFK and RFK he told aides he felt as if he were in the presence of the Borgias. It may take another century or two but eventually, at least I hope, history will see the Kennedy family, with its lust for power and adulation and scorched earth policy of political machinations as the moral equivalent of corrupt Renaissance princes.
Tim| 8.27.09 @ 11:48AM
Now, if only Mr. Antle can craft an essay about Kennedy and somehow bring Sarah Palin into it, the ensuing flood of posts should disable the AMSPEC server for goos and all.
QFT| 8.27.09 @ 12:20PM
Anybody willing to investigate the financial dealings of the Kennedy family would be shocked at how thoroughly corrupt this family really is. A pox on their house! They are a plague upon our nation.
Bilwick| 8.27.09 @ 12:34PM
"I remember when 'liberal' meant being generous with your own money."--Will Rogers.
Dave Lincoln| 8.27.09 @ 9:19PM
"Ted Kennedy was human and he was a Liberal, with all the positive and negative things those terms imply. God rest his soul."
Here's where I disagree with you, Mr. Toddard (well, yes, OK, he was a human being, true). The road to hell is paved with good intentions. All of the Kennedy's may have had good intentions, as probably Chairman Mao, Joseph Stalin and Adolph Hitler did (NO, I'm not comparing Kennedy's to them, just making a point). I believe there are men who act in evil ways for what they think is a good purpose, even those 3 I mentioned. This is something we can never know, as this knowledge was only in their hearts.
The fact of the matter is, this latest Kennedy caused a lot of ruin for our country, especially with the immigration act of 1965. He expanded the power of government widely. It doesn't matter to me that "he meant well". I think you would agree with this too. Our only difference is you think he will "rest in peace". Not a-gonaa happen, as another well-meaning guy would say.
Oh, and it's been more than 24 hours ;-)
Dave Lincoln| 8.27.09 @ 9:25PM
Was it 24 hours from the last time a piece of socialist garbage came out of his mouth, or 24 hours since laid down in the grave? Enquiring minds want to know.
BTW, I agree with your points on Fox News, Todd, but I think you don't give other posters much credit. There are many true conservatives who do write in, and I still wouldn't agree with them on everything, though.
Better to turn off the TV, period - it is all crap. Get your news from the web. This way, you won't have to put up with 3 days of people (like Andrew Cline) trying to dig up some decent things about Ted Kennedy to talk about all day long.
I'm with L. Ross (sorry, different thread, but stealing it anyway):
"Let's focus on the positive. Michael Jackson is dead. Ted Kennedy is dead. It is morning in America. "
Thanks, L. Ross - my sentiments exactly!
Dave Lincoln| 8.27.09 @ 9:29PM
Alan Brooks: All your posts are muddled junk. You don't seem to make any points, and I take it you don't like Southerners and Pat Buchanan (not a Southerner).
Be careful, or we will go all reconstruction-era on your ass. We don't like you yankee RINOs either. I really don't know why anyone would not like Pat Buchanan. He is a great thinker/writer.
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