The American Spectator

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 7:35AM

I could care less what the commies/greenies do publicity-wise to mark the day as I don't watch TV. (what they do with my tax money is another matter.)

For me, it'll always be the day that gun-control caused it's biggest single-day fatality figure in US history. True, in the long run, gun control has killed and maimed many more than the 3,000 (just the deaths) in NY City that day. By stripping the constitutional rights of Americans at airports and aboard airplanes, there is blood on the hands of all of the gun-control nuts from 9/11/2001. Of course 19 Muslims are to blame, but gun control is what is called a "contributing factor" and none of the people on the ground (NYC and DC) would have been hurt had just a few passengers and/or crew on each of the 4 aircraft been armed.

That notwithstanding, I don't think the R-party has done well taking a lesson from that day. Their statist tendencies can be just as strong as the D's - think TSA and Patriot Act, both statist abominations. We lost more freedoms due to the idiotic response to 9/11 than the enemy ever had. Nice job, Republicans; ever wonder why you haven't gotten my vote since Ronnie?

That's right, US Fed., just keep stripping law abiding citizens of their defenses. The bad guys will always have weapons. Idiots, R's and D's alike.

tom| 4.30.10 @ 2:14AM

You are a retard and I'm sure the republican party doesn't miss you at all.

Ron Hyatt| 9.11.11 @ 9:42PM

Tom-- baaaaaaaah!

Dimagrire| 11.20.11 @ 2:48PM

Tom: It doesn't matter at all who miss who. The point is we are one. That's all.

Susan| 9.11.10 @ 2:30PM

The tragic day happened because Islamic extremists decided to attack America; it has nothing to do with gun control. In the most basic terms here, they used planes, not guns. What has the attack to do with gun control? It's apples and oranges. There have been similar attacks on Americans, but not on our soil, so I think we ignored it, thinking we were safe. America is awake now, but we have people in power who want us to be unconscious to reality. It's a sad state of affairs. Can't wait until the next election.

John Wilson| 9.11.10 @ 8:57PM

We need to string all the liberals up !!! Hang them High! They are destroying our nation

David Johnson| 9.11.10 @ 11:23PM

I have one question for people. How can people be so narrow minded with a singular focus. What's the issue with straight party lines. Why are people so against the other party. Personally, I have beliefs that support both the Democratic and the Republican beliefs. Listening to today's senatorial or gubernatorial ads, I am extremely disheartened by the lack of true belief. How can a person be 100% for one party's line and unequivocally against the other - both Democrats and Republicans. 9/11 is a day to remember the courage, the patriotism and the honor that all Americans should feel. By changing the name to a National Day of Service is not making 9/11 a political event to try and destroy the Republican belief, it is honoring military service and the honorable men and women who lost their lives that day. By quoting Keith Olbermann as the general leftist belief is just as biased and ludicrous as quoting Rush Limbaugh as someone who only speaks the facts.

Big J| 8.24.09 @ 7:41AM

Welcome to 1984, boys and girls:

"How many fingers am I holding up?"

"Four, sir."

"You don't see four fingers, you see five."

It's room 101 for the lot of us, and the radical leftists are working the stretch table.

Pretty sick if you ask me.

Chris m| 11.26.09 @ 3:21AM

"How many fingers am I holding up?"

"Four, sir."

"You don't see four fingers, you see five."

It's room 101 for the lot of us, and the radical leftists are working the stretch table.

Is George Orwell your favorite Socialist? Oh, just go F u ck yourself!

dukas| 8.24.09 @ 7:42AM

No way, period ! There is no way these fools can rewrite the history of 9-11. They can call it ‘hug a commie day’, don’t matter, it ain’t going to fly. History books are going to be filled with 9-11. It is amazing watching these greedy pukes, they are very transparent just not in the way they would like to manipulate us. We should have be shown the images of people jumping out the windows, least we forget. Bush did have a lot of surrender about him, but he came through on the middle East with flying colors.

Joe Williams| 7.11.10 @ 5:26PM

So you think? Childrens school books are allready being used that dispell the real 911. And most Americans are going to sit on their asses on 911, have a party and get drunk while Obie smirks in the back ground. If you live in the USA and you aint for the red white and blue,please, go home or die so we wont have a war on US soil.

Linda B| 9.11.10 @ 2:27PM

Isay get the PRESIDENT OUT OF OFFICE,BEFORE THIS COUNTRY,FALLS LIKE THE ROMAN IMPIRE,IF YOU READ ABOUT YOUR HISTORY LONG ,LONG AGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Linda B can't spell| 9.11.10 @ 3:33PM

EMPIRE

Appleby| 8.24.09 @ 7:43AM

One simply stands in awe at the ability of a single gang of Kids to dance and sing and march with their pre-printed signs right off the edge of the Grand Canyon, completely convinced of the utter rightness of their path and totally oblivious to their destination and its consequences.

Personally I hope this plan gets lots of PR and that September 11, 2009 will be the occasion of a permanent Red Flag to this National Self-Destruction Derby that will put an end to the Sixties once for all.

Personally, I think this administration is going down in history as the political version of Plan 9 from Outer Space.

Deborah D| 8.24.09 @ 7:45AM

And the left (Pelosi and Hoyer) wants to call those at the townhalls "un-American." How much more "un-American" can one get to want to change 9/11 from the call to patriotism and pride of heroes (NYPD, firemen, and the soldiers that carried the flag after them) into a political event as everything is with the left. Screw them.

Melvin| 8.24.09 @ 7:52AM

The 2000 plus Americans that died on 9/11 were acceptable casualties in the cost of doing business by the government.
For example Scotland just released Abdulbaset al-Megrahi a Libyan intel. official who was the only person convicted for the Lockerbie bombing.
Maybe I'm looking at this all wrong. The Western Powers are currently embroiled in a war that is supposed to be fighting terrorism correct?
But Britain in being a Ollie in this war on terrorism frees a convicted terrorist who is responsible for vaporizing 270 human beings off the face of the earth is allowed to go home on humanitarian grounds.
Coalition military personnel are dying and getting wounded right and left all in the name of fighting terrorism and Britain frees a terrorist alleged over England strengthening economic ties with Libya????
That is what I meant in my earlier statement that those who died on 9/11 was just the cost of doing business for bureaucrats.
The Western Powers have absolutely no intention of winning this war that we are caught up in. Each day our sons and daughters come home in aluminum boxes or missing arms and legs and Britain frees a convicted murderer on humanitarian grounds.
I ask Barrack Obama and Gordon Brown "where is the humanity when my son dosen't come home from Afgahnistan, where is the humanity when my daughter loses her legs from an IED, where is the humanity when you both have no intention of winning this war on terrorism."
Like the article said, 9/11 has become a trademark logo and those who have died since that date are just the human cost of forging economic ties with Libya.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.24.09 @ 7:52AM

“December 7th, 1941, a date which will live in infamy”-President Franklin D. Roosevelt, 08 Dec 1941.

About 2,400 Americans were killed that day, with about an additional 1,300 wounded. Japanese losses that day, were about 65 dead. America was united from that day forward, regardless of their Party affiliation, until the end of the War. Could you imagine the American people back then, trying to change what that date meant to the Nation? No way!!

The attack on Pearl Harbor didn’t make the Democratic Party, nor did it ruin the Republican Party either. Everyone took it for what it was, a Declaration of War on American. It’s the same way we should’ve reacted after 11th September 2001, but we’ve got a very short attention span nowadays, kind of like a Gold Fish.

September 11th 2001, over 3,000 American killed, with about 6,200 wounded. Islamic terrorist losses that day, 19 dead. It’s almost eight years ago now, but it might as well have happened in 1941 too, with the way we react to it. Now instead of a Nation Day of Remembrance, now it’s going to become a day for “activism, food banks, and community gardens”. Community Gardens?, WTF does that have to do with 9/11!!

Are you kidding me? The Left has lost their minds, their souls, their pride, and their right to call themselves Americans if this B.S. is true. Our Soldiers are still over there (agree with the War or not) delivering our answer to Islam’s Declaration of War against America.

Is nothing sacred to them other than power? Is their anything about America that they’d be willing to stand up for and defend? This reminds me little bit like the Happy Holidays/Merry Christmas battle from a few years ago. The Left is just relentless about picking these wars on every little detail of American History, Culture, and Traditions. What’s next? Who's next? Who knows, but somebody's on their radar.

NonnyMouz| 8.7.10 @ 7:15PM

I can tell you exactly what 9/11 has to do with Community Gardens, activism and food banks. It is a way to recognize those that lost their lives during the tragedy and a way to recognize those that gave during the aftermath. I'm one of the people that gave during the aftermath, as a Red Cross volunteer at the Pentagon. I was there on 9/11, on 9/12, and every day thereafter until the middle of October... And that was after working a full day before going to work the 4-midnight shift at the Pentagon. Among the many jobs I had as an administrative assistant was to hang up the hundreds of cards that arrived from children around the world expressing sympathy and sorrow. How dare you say that those of that serve our community, and choose to remember those that lost their lives on this day are LEFTIST! Did you HELP anybody? I did, and I continue to do so. I'm PROUD that my workplace participates in a service project on 9/11, and on all of the other days of service on our calendar. Incidentally: let's make sure we don't rewrite history here. The Presidential Volunteer Service Award, the Point Of Light Foundation (both sponsors of 9/11 Day of Service) were started by President George H.W. Bush... and the last time I checked, he was a conservative, rightist.

Jim Edison| 9.11.10 @ 9:00PM

SEND THAT DAMNED NANCY POLOSI TO THE GAS CHAMBER. WHERE IS HITLER WHEN WE REALLY NEED HIM???

David Adams| 8.24.09 @ 7:56AM

In the week following 9/11 I downloaded a video titled;" 9/11 America Attacked" and I have been watching it every year on that date. It is beautifully done and very emotional. I will not be picking up someone else's trash on 9/11 or playing some 'green game' - and I will definitely NOT be forgetting 9/11.

Robert| 8.24.09 @ 8:01AM

Don't worry, Lullaby...as the libs are fond of saying, "This measure is DOA!"

Sooner than the obama regime will be history, this joke of a law will be forgotten.

Etiquette Man| 8.24.09 @ 8:11AM

Hi, L-Cubed,

Nice post. Great punctuation, too! :-)

Cheers!
EM

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.24.09 @ 8:34AM

Rasmussen daily Presidential Tracking Report from 23 August 2009 (Yesterday): 27% strongly approve, 41% strongly disapprove, giving the President a (negative) 14 approval index. This is your new low MR President, but it made my day when I read it.

To the Left: Keep touching that hot stove, and shooting yourselves in the foot at the same time. Sooner or later you’ll learn something, it’s hot, and you’re bleeding to death through your ignorance. So let this be a lesson to the Left, there are some things that Americans hold sacred (believe it or not!!), and we get pissed off when anybody tries to wipe their &%@# with them. September 11th is an example of this. And don’t say you can’t change, you can, you’ve just got to try to be an American for one day, to be one. It’s easy, I do it everyday!!

And as an example of how one can change, just look how much better my punctuation got in just one weekend. You see, miracles can happen. Thanks to E.M. and a few others here.

Timothy L. Pennell| 8.24.09 @ 8:48AM

So, basically, he's turning Sept. 11 in to National Radical Negro Day.
Hail Nero! Hail Caligula! Heil Hitler!
This guy is gonna make REAL AMERICANS - (You heard me) - REAL AMERICANS, Americans who LOVE this country, rise up. You thought that there could never be another Revolution? This THING in the White House is TRYING to destroy this country. This is gonna get ugly. Mark My Words.

Peter Dutchin| 9.21.09 @ 4:44PM

Bigot/Racist alert just got raised to "red" with this post. You give conservative objections to this President's policies a bad name. You are an example of what people mean by the tone of dissent taking on a hateful tone. Shut up. Please, shut up and go back to your cave.

Rob| 9.11.11 @ 7:24AM

Wake up Peter, recognizing Obama and his grotesquely racist, anti-white administration for what it is, doesn't make one the same. This ignorant, small man(Obama)has done more damage to race relations than Mr Pennell ever will!

owyheewine| 8.24.09 @ 9:19AM

I think the quote from Vice President Cheney while addressing Sen "Leaky" Leahy is an appropriate response to the left on this one.

William Tucker| 8.24.09 @ 9:32AM

I thought I'd heard everything a few years ago when the New York Times editorial page started maundering about memorializing "the other 9/11." (For those of you who don't remember, that is the day that General Augusto Pinochet overthrew the government of Salvatore Allende in 1973, another incident that sears in the memory of most Americans. ) But turning September 11th into "National ACORN Day" - that beats everything.

JPousson| 8.24.09 @ 9:39AM

Obama is a COMMUNIST.
Jones, his Environazi Czar, is a COMMUNIST (which is weird, a communist czar?).
Enviromentalist whackos are so dang close to communists you can't tell 'em apart.
"Sustainability" = BOLSHEVISM.
Of COURSE the commies want to hijack 9/11 to crash the American dream, just like the 9/11 hijackers crashed aircraft into the heart of the American financial system.
I DO liken the Obama maladministration to the 9/11 hijackers, you bet.

Osama Hussein is the most UNAMERICAN American "president" in US history. His narrow behind cannot be sent packing soon enough, but the terrible consequences of this Castro-worshipping scumbag will be felt in this nation for generations.
So here's my new pledge for every year on 9/11: I will REMEMBER the attacks that have been BURIED by the press conspirators who know that the American public TRUSTS the Republicans when it comes to national security and knows that the Democrats are SOFT on national security.
I despise Osama Hussein and every stinking despicable commie rat in his UNAMERICAN maladministration.

JPousson| 8.24.09 @ 9:45AM

"TSA and Patriot Act, both statist abominations. We lost more freedoms due to the idiotic response to 9/11 than the enemy ever had. Nice job, Republicans; ever wonder why you haven't gotten my vote since Ronnie? "

What a repulsive joke. The TSA and Patriot Acts were passed as tools against the enemies of the United States, and stripped away some of the protections that homegrown terrorist sympathizers, financiers and enablers used to skirt US law to help external enemies coordinate attacks. Fact is, both were used too seldom and FAR too much TREASONOUS activity was ignored by W's administration in his misguided attempt to change the "tone" in Washington. He spent too much time kissing the Democrats' rear ends instead of sending in the FBI to drag their Benedict Arnoldian carcasses off to the pokey to ROT.

And why have you not voted Republican since Reagan? I dunno, maybe it's because you're not a real conservative (probably a LaRouche follower)and are just another Bush-hating horse's ass?

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 9:51AM

Republicans are against exploiting 9/11... now - only after *they themselves* exploited it to launch an unjust war, they exploited it to drastically expand the size and power of the federal government, they exploited it to initiate Stalinistic programs to monitor the communications of American citizens, they exploited it to enact anti-constitutional and un-American legislation and they exploited it to win elections (by raising terror alerts sans legitimate reasons in order to bump Bush's popularity, as Tom Ridge now admits Bush did). Not to mention exploiting 9/11 in order to sell millions of shameless, horrid pro-war "country" albums.

Honestly - will the hypocrisy ever cease? Why don't you people just admit that you're not really opposed to big goverment or anti-American policies, you're opposed to the Democrats. When the GOP is in power you bend over backwards to justify such policies and cheer them on. This is why Republicans have zero credibility - because during the Bush years they supported big government and the destruction of our Constitutional safeguards and only "rediscover their principles" when their party is out of power.

It's so obvious as to be comical.

David| 5.10.10 @ 12:51PM

Is that's the best you can come up with you liberal Democrat. While W wasn't a great president, he certainly didn't do what BO has done to try to dissolve the fabric of America. I gave him (BO) a chance to show his change and it's becoming glaringly clear that he is hell bent on charm and disarm tactics.

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 10:18AM

The essential problem here is the fact that most Americans, with the exception of the readers here, have not realized that the untinkable has actually happened....a manchurian candidate of socialist, anti-American persuasion has been elected to the highest office in the land. There are two reasons for this denial of reality. The first is the tendency of America to think that it is somehow innoculated from extreme political takeovers (like the Nazis in Europe) and second the abuse of our political hyperbole and rhetoric since the 1960's. In other words, too many people have cried wolf when there was none to the point that most are dulled in their sensibilities to take extreme statements seriously when in fact they are correct. The far left knows this and is using it quite well in the advance of its agenda. This is why you have some so-called conservatives like O'Reilly touting the idea that Barry is just another chip off the old block and all this talk of socialism and whatever is nonsense. Well, its not in fact. For many of us ex-lefties who have actually read the books he has, and marched in the same groups, this is not a great revelation. It reminds me of the statement that Heston made at the end of the movie, Planet of the Apes, "Damn, they actually did it..Damn them all to hell"! Until America fully awakens to the reality that is present..we are steering a course of self destruction that may be irreversible.

JerseyJ| 8.24.09 @ 10:24AM

the toad ... "Republicans are against exploiting 9/11... now - only after *they themselves* exploited it "

Not anything at all like exploiting the crises we suddenly find ourselves facing (thanks to the libbies telling us about them). Health Care is suddenly a "crisis", the economy was a "crisis", the automakers were a "crisis", banks ... you guessed it ... "crisis". Global warming (or was that cooling, or just plain change ... I can't keep up) yup, another "crisis". Do I detect a pattern here?

The point ... If there's exploiting to be done, you can bet a liberal is at the front of the line waiting to do it.

Deborah D ... "Screw them"

You said it! Screw them!

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 10:25AM

Toddard..your not fooling anyone here..every time you open your mouth you expose who you really are..so why don't you pick up your marbles and go play down the street with the Daily Kos kids. I am really beggining to think that you are mentally ill and I do not say that casually or with malice.

Deborah D| 8.24.09 @ 10:27AM

If it's such a "non-story" then why are you so concerned that we're talking about it...and quit using Sarah Palin's daughter's name as your own. Ridiculous.

We ARE thinking for ourselves. We think the left side of the political spectrum hates the country, and this story is further proof of that. We care about our heroes. We care about defending our country. You care about nothing but your power.

Michale Palin| 8.24.09 @ 10:30AM

You're crying wolf again St. Simon. Obama isn't a commie or a socialist in the sense you use that word. You wingnut kooks claimed Bill Clinton was a socialist too when he was actually middle of the road in historical context. The far left wing of the Democratic party might reasonably be labeled "socialist" as in the brand of socialism prevalent in Western European democracies as opposed to the former USSR, but this wing of the party is not at all pleased with Obama because they see him more clearly than you and they understand he is not the socialist bogeyman you've deluded yourself into seeing.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 10:31AM

"And why have you not voted Republican since Reagan? I dunno,...."

That's right, you don't know Pousson. As, it happens, I voted for Ron Paul, back before it was cool... that is in 2004, but also for libertarians since we got the original "compassion conservative", Bush Sr.

I hope the TSA does a number on you next time your plans call for air travel. Full body cavity search on Mr. Pousson stat. Hell, even the name sounds French, gotta be a reason to search this dude.

You like the Patriotic Act, you'll love what Obama's got in store? It's more of the same.

Barbara | 9.11.10 @ 7:15PM

We should have made an example of these terrorists and dropped the BOMB.....

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:33AM

"Toddard..your not fooling anyone here"

Aren't you a - *shudder* - "birther"?

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 10:36AM

"You wingnut kooks claimed Bill Clinton was a socialist too when he was actually middle of the road in historical context. " I guess you're not the real Michael Palin, or you would know how to spell, huh? Anyway, Bill Clinton was not ALLOWED to act like a socialist due only to Newt Gingrich and a Republican-led congress with guts, like none seen since.

I guess Bill Clinton didn't really lean one way or another, but he thought it would be cooler to be a Socialist. The man didn't have any real principles, unless you call anything to get laid, principles. It worked out fine with the R-Congress in charge back then.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:36AM

"Not anything at all like exploiting the crises we suddenly find ourselves facing"

That's true - the exploitation of the Obama administration will not likely lead to the deaths of over four thousand American soldiers, as Bush's exploitation of 9/11 did. But who cares about soldiers' lives when we get to prance around waving our little flags and talking tough about jihadis? We must prioritize, after all.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 10:38AM

Oh, and S.L. Toddard, thanks for setting LLL, formerly known as SOCG** straight on the punctuation. It turned out that it wasn't so hard for him - I'm sure it's easier than quitting smoking.

** Stream Of Consciousness Guy

Michale Palin| 8.24.09 @ 10:40AM

Debbie D and St. Simon, just listen to your crazy selves! Debbie D. thinks "the left side of the political spectrum" in the U.S. hates the country. So, anyone who disagrees with you on some major policy issues hates the nation. That is friggin' crazy talk. Cuckoo! Cuckoo! Cuckoo!

And St. Simon declares Toddard insane because Todd presented an opposing view that is as rational as anything the "right" has been posting here and much more rational than most of the crazy talk coming from the majority of True Believers on this board.

Get a clue, kooks: the leadership of both major parties are full of crap; neither has a serious claim to moral superiority; given its recent history the GOP certainly has no claim to intellectual superiority. The GOP has ceded too much power to you far right kooks who believe like-minded folks are the only "real" Americans. If this country is to be torn apart or destroyed as y'all so often warn about, most likely it's folks like YOU who will bring us down and not your imaginary monsters of the political left.

Warpublican| 8.24.09 @ 10:41AM

Even as Tom Ridge admits that Bush used terror alerts as a political hammer, idiots like Vadum are worried that 9/11 might be 'desecrated." Guess what, fool, 9/11 long ago became a Republican talking point stripped of any emotional or spiritual weight it might've carried. It was used as a hammer to invade Iraq and quiet dissent. Who cares about 9/11? It's just another day to go to work...

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:42AM

"Anyway, Bill Clinton was not ALLOWED to act like a socialist due only to Newt Gingrich and a Republican-led congress with guts, like none seen since"

Guts, eh? What Conservative goals did that gutsy Republican congress accomplish? How many federal programs did they repeal? How much did they decrease spending? How much did they decrease the size and scope of the federal gov't? How successful were they at sealing the border with Mexico?

Oh that's right - they drastically increased spending, created massive new federal programs, astronomically increased the size and scope of the federal government and actively maintained an open border with Mexico, allowing millions of illegals into the country.

^^ THAT is considered "gutsy" to big government liberal Republicans like Dave Lincoln.

JIM WHITTAKER, Hemet, CA| 8.24.09 @ 10:44AM

Here's a comment I never, ever thought I would
even read or hear, much less write, but it's true...

The United States Government has declared war
against the United States!

Unbelieveable, simply unbelieveable...

Deborah D| 8.24.09 @ 10:46AM

If the left side of the political spectrum gave a crap about the country it would be calling for investigations into ACORN. It would be calling for investigations of Axelrod and his dealings with the PR firm promoting health care reform. If the left cared about the country it wouldn't want to strip 9/11 of its patriotic meaning and would be upset at those who are trying to do so. That you aren't, speaks volumes. Who's cuckoo?

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 10:47AM

Palin imposter..once again a lefty which I know so well is spouting about things that he does not really know about. First, I voted for Clinton. Second, Clinton was not a classic socialist or far left winger...but more center with left leanings and typical big governemnt can solve everything attitude. You made my point actually..yes, there was some excessive rhetoric in those days used to make a point about his policies. You are the fool or perhaps the liar that wants us to believe that the far left wing of the party is displease with Barry and somehow he is not one of them. You expose your age whne you make comments like that...this is classic political manipulation on Barry's part..he is not giving up anything..this is how politics are played in America. If I have to explain this to you perhaps you should not be on this sight trying to pretend like you want a debate or discussion. Besides, should'nt you be out at one of the left wing astro turf meetings drumming up support for socialized medicine?

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 10:52AM

"THAT is considered "gutsy" to big government liberal Republicans like Dave Lincoln. "

Welfare reform took guts to even bring up back in those days. That's about the extent of what they accomplished, even though the Contract for American called for a whole lot more. However, it was a big one.

Get off my case Toddard. I'm the only one here on your side, asshole!

What in the heck would make you think I am a big government liberal, you fool?

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:54AM

"What in the heck would make you think I am a big government liberal, you fool?"

I was under the impression you supported the Republican party, which is a big government liberal party. If I was wrong then I apologize in all sincerity.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 10:58AM

Sorry to get so upset, Toddard, it's like you think everyone is against you. Most Ron Paul voters are not big government liberals, you reckon? Liberals, yes, but in the true sense of liberalism (classical).

BTW, "Oh that's right - they drastically increased spending, created massive new federal programs, astronomically increased the size and scope of the federal government and actively maintained an open border with Mexico, allowing millions of illegals into the country." Most of this happened in the last 10 years, not during the Gingrich years. How old are you? You should know this. We were better off under the Clinton presidency for the reasons that you didn't understand above:

1) Clinton had no principles at all, so he could be made to take credit for welfare reform, even though it is a conservative idea. He did. Who cares? It was done, and this was very important.

2) The Republicans in Congress (House, I mean, not sure about the Senate) were not quite the wimpy, compromising bunch we had in this decade, especially about in 1994 through 1998. The year 1998 or so was probably the turning point, as the economy (stock, especially tech-stock bubble and real productivity increases) started to take off then. I think that's when the GOP started deciding "anything goes".

That's why I ask if you are too young to remember this. The 1990's were not exactly like the 2000's in terms of Fed. government.

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 11:00AM

Well, looks like Toddard has a new friend and real pal. Toddards arguments are not rational nor always completely accurate. He likes to use half truths to make rather silly divisive arguments to stir the pot. Actually..I could do a better job in criticizing the GOP and Bush. You can believe anything you want. We know you hate this nation...not because you disagree with our ideas but because of your own leftist literature, writings, and actions...of which I have read volumes. This is your modus operanda. We are called racist because we do not want socialized medicine, do not want our industries nationalized, and speak out at town hall meetings.

Michale Palin| 8.24.09 @ 11:03AM

St. Simon, there is no debating with you any more than there is with ditzy Deb. You have made up your mind and your final decision was to be delusionally dogmatic. Once you chose that path you were no longer capable of processing new information let alone having a real debate. Your brain will simply twist any and all input to fit its preconceived and immutable take on reality, and I do not say that casually or with malice.

Have a nice day!

Ellis Wyatt| 8.24.09 @ 11:04AM

"When you criticize them, they are prepared to say, 'Did you want 9/11 to be another day of selling mattresses, like Presidents Day?"

I can't wait for this one. I say heck yea, remember those who died and sell as many mattresses or whatever you want to send a message that the American capitalist system cannot be destroyed by Islamofacism. And if you want to promote some leftist day without telling anybody about it, go ahead and sure nobody will notice if you did tell people about it.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:06AM

Mr. Toddard, I haven't voted for a Republican (for Pres. that is) since Ronnie.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 11:07AM

"Sorry to get so upset, Toddard"

Not at all, my good man.

Because the Gingrich congress was not as wildly liberal as George W Bush and his congress does not mean they were Conservative. They still increased spending, created massive new federal programs, increased the size and scope of the federal government and actively maintained an open border with Mexico.

Those are the hallmarks of left-wing government.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 11:07AM

"Mr. Toddard, I haven't voted for a Republican (for Pres. that is) since Ronnie"

I retract my characterization, with apologies.

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 11:16AM

Palin Imposter: You are great at projection. You do not want a debate..you want to agitate..thats why your out on this conservative web site. Delusionally dogmatic..now thats funny..I actually laughed out loud on that one. Yeah, you have a nice day too.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.24.09 @ 11:37AM

An unjust war you say? What would it have taken for you to call it a Just War? Would it have been enough for you if that plane that went down in Pennsylvania that day, made it all the way to the White House? Would the destruction of the symbol of American Government been enough for you? Nah, you’d probably been happy if it made it all the way to Washington D.C. that day. Because if it had, then the President wouldn’t have been able to sign any of his “Stalinistic” programs into law, because all his paperwork would’ve been on fire.

Or would it have been enough for you if one of those terrorist plots that did get foiled through the surveillance programs had happened, and it was your Hometown that got hit instead? We won’t know if that would’ve been enough for you to call it a Just War, because the surveillance of “suspect” so-called Americans and their Terrorist friends worked, and a lot of those plots were stopped. And I say so-called Americans, because I don’t have any friends that hang out with Islamic Terrorist in Afghanistan or Pakistan. So I’m not going to be getting any phone calls in the middle of the night from over there anyway (unless somebody dialed the wrong number?).

Did the surveillance programs take away some of our freedom? Of course they did, but no one could have foreseen the type of technology that our enemy would be using against us (our technology). When Islam started attacking the West, 1,400 years ago, they were on horseback (I guess they still are?) The internet, and telephones didn’t exist back then, but now they do, and Islam is still attacking the West, only now they’re using our technology against us. So what do you do with them, shoot their horse, or tap their phone?

Will it be enough for you, if tomorrow morning when you turn on you TV in the morning, and there it is again, Islamic terrorist have hit another America City. Will a few thousand more dead Americans, all in the name of Allah be enough for you to call it a Just War then? Would anything ever be enough for you? I could care less which party is in power when we get attacked, as long as they respond to our enemy to defend this Country. In 1979, President Carter sat back and did nothing, as Americans were held hostage for 444 days. He should’ve declared War on Iran right then and there. And if he did, I believe the Islamic threat we face today, would’ve been severely crippled, instead of spreading as it is.

So maybe there is nothing that would’ve made you support a Just War, but for me, September 11th was enough.

PeteH| 8.24.09 @ 11:42AM

Let's be honest here. While I relate with the outrage in the posts, the vast majority of Americans will honor 9/11 as it should be honored.

If the current administration wants to insult and dilute the terrible memory of that day, let them embarress themselves. This "day of service" nonsense will have all the clout of earth day...none.

Does this administration actually think the NY firefighters are going to "celebrate" 9/11 by planting community gardens?

Bilwick| 8.24.09 @ 11:47AM

National Day of Service . . . because in "Il Dufe's" new America, you can't have too much servitude.

Jeremy| 8.24.09 @ 11:48AM

What I find so incredibly stupid about republicans.

Every month, every year the republicans come crawling from the woodwork spouting fear and terror. Basically doing Bin Laden's job for him, refashioning American society in an ultra-religious, ultra-hypocritical way. Criticizing liberal America as not knowing how to face terrorism and calling them spineless and anti-American. Convincing themselves of the self-righteousness of "small-town America".

Where did the terrorists attack? When they came to the United States they attacked New York City, one of the truest bastions of liberalism in the U.S.
So while you talk about "real America" in Nowhere, USA: population: 200. Just remember who it was that paid the price.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 11:48AM

LLL, save your breath. These are the same ass-clowns who insist that the Iraq war was for "oil" yet we don't find ourselves swimming in cheap black gold today now, do we? The follow up charge has to do with big business, etc...yet these folks are strangely silent as the Mocha Messiah tries to gin up an entirely new taxpayer subsidized industry based on the global warming lie. Liars are liars, the corrupt are corrupt, and liberalism is a disease. There is no rational debate with these people. I reckon if you shot some criminal who was raping them, they'd try to take you to court for owning a gun.

This article is extremely disturbing and shows how little regard the ruling class has for its subjects. It also shows how calculating they are and how willing they are to use the media they control as a weapon against the weak minded and uninformed.

RICHARD A STEVENS| 8.24.09 @ 11:56AM

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Xanthippas| 8.24.09 @ 11:58AM

"The Obama White House is behind a cynical, coldly calculated political effort to erase the meaning of the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks from the American psyche and convert Sept. 11 into a day of leftist celebration and statist idolatry."

Jeez guys. You don't have to turn it up to 11 with EVERYTHING you write.

SandboxReport| 8.24.09 @ 11:59AM

Yeah, I do believe they are going to suck the fear right out of 9/11. Obama won't be able to use that fear to start a war. He'll have to use global warming instead.
www.SandboxReport.com

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:59AM

"...So what do you do with them, shoot their horse, or tap their phone? " and other stuff you wrote....

LLL, I would be happy if our Federal Gov't would control the borders, not let just any "refugee" from the Muslim world (and their family/tribe of 2,000 with them) come into this country at ease and inspect all cargo coming into US ports of entry (this means shipping and air cargo). These are indeed legitimate constitutional functions of our Fed. Gov't.

Instead we have security theater at the airports, a serious lack (still!) of armed Americans on commercial aircraft and shipping, and a southern border than anyone can cross at their leisure with a few bucks and some planning. Do you somehow think this is a good job by our government? Seriously?

What Carter could have done even more importantly in 1979 is get our government to quit issuing study and work visas to people from that whole damn region of the world (not like he ever would think about that - like a lot of others, he cared more about what the rest of the world thought of him than about defending/protecting his country). It's too late now. Most of the people from those regions are indeed decent American citizens at this point, but a few hundred thousand here and there and we've got trouble.

The stupid threat level colors and the Homeland Security dept. are nothing but a threat to American's freedoms and don't do squat to protect us. They will tell you about all the terrorism they've stopped, but most of that is grandstanding BS. I don't want to get into what business I'm in, but I've had people tell me about all of the threats and attempted "terrorism", but that makes stealing petty cash "terrorism" in their book, as that was one of the many ridiculous ones brought up to us during a security meeting. We are heading toward a 1984 world with this stuff.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.24.09 @ 12:04PM

Dave ** Stream Of Consciousness Guy** Lincoln: Unlike a lot of folks here, I like to write out all my words completely (call me old fashioned if you will). So when I come across an acronym that I don’t know like LMOA (laughing my ass off), I have to Google it to figure it out. But Google came up empty for me on SOCG (unless you were referring to me as Symposium On Computational Geometry?, but I don’t think so), so I’m not sure if I hate you guts now or not? Please explain Dave?

But your name’s okay with me, Lincoln, it reminds me of my 18 MPG, CO2 emitting car (it would’ve qualified for Cash for Clunkers program, but I just can’t part with her yet, I miss Old Betsy!). But what the heck are you talking about when you say that S.L. Toddard set me straight on my punctuation? I didn’t understand that line either? I’ve been writing this way for years.

Ask anybody?

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 12:05PM

"These are the same ass-clowns who insist that the Iraq war was for "oil" yet we don't find ourselves swimming in cheap black gold today now, do we? "

Uhhh, not everyone against the war in Iraq says that BS. Neither does everyone for the war say the BS "we are saving 100,000's of Iraqi lives - that' why we're there". Yeah, so let's head to N. Korea and Zimbabwe next, or why not Nigeria or all of Africa for that matter? There are lots of people to save all over the world. It's not what American soldiers signed up for!

Both sides have their share of BS, wouldn't you agree? (but each side has it's honest people too.)

I absolutely agree with you about the global warming BS too, Pete (and probably about the socialist health care push) Don't write everyone off as a kook - there are enough real ones out there.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 12:21PM

I would say one of the satements is more true than the other, wouldn't you? For the record, I am all for engaging with any enemy who spends every waking moment trying to figure out how to kill Americans. Let me go further, as engaging was a weak word to use. Eliminating is a better choice. It seems these days, however, we engage rather than eliminate in these matters, which leads to all sorts of additional problems. N.Korea may become inevitable given their technological advances - Africa doesn't warrant attention because of lack of technological advances...though it would save us money (http://www.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUSLO544093), it appears.

keanon| 8.24.09 @ 12:22PM

This is pathetic spin. Congrats on being part of the problem.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 12:27PM

Haha, LLL, you forget about the magical archiving abilities we have here on our world wide web. I was just remembering ... how, it seems like only yesterday, .... you would write in a fashion resembling...., I don't know, .... Jack Karouack and the other beat poets .... most of this was big back in,... say, the 1950's... , some called it a, ... Strean-Of-Conciousness... style, ... Toddard told you that your posts.... though they had a lot to say ...., lacked a certain.... say, let' call it "readability", oh, yeah, sort of a lack of separation into .... like ....

PARA - FREAKING - GRAPHS....

.... was, like, ..., part of the problem.

It looks totally different today, and I can read everything you write with ease. Nice.

Don't let the CO2 from your Lincoln worry you at all, LLL. CO2 is a natural, yet small (< 0.1 % ) component of the earth's atmosphere and has been for a long time. The word "emission" is used with CO2 nowadays only by greenies and other idiots who want to scare your chemistry-knowledge-impaired peoples into thinking combustion is bad, mmmkay ...

Now you probably got some real emissions coming out that tailpipe, a few Nitrogen compounds and some CO, but I wouldn't turn in that car either. It'd especially be sick to know that they (gov't decree) will purposefully ruin your big V-8. Just makes me sick (worse than CO2 does ;-)

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.24.09 @ 1:08PM

Dave: We’re on the same page here, I’m all for locking down the borders, and protecting our ports. It’s long past due time, that we did these things anyway.

The poem on the Statue of Liberty, “The New Colossus: Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free”. It’s just a plaque at the base of the statue, these words don’t come from the United States Constitution. So unless I’m wrong, we could stop immigration from any country in the World today, if we wanted to. Unfortunately, nobody has the balls (for either Party) to say, immigration from Islamic countries has to be stopped. Islam and freedom, can never go hand in hand.

If we had locked down the borders back in 1979, September 11th may still have happened in the end, but probably wouldn’t have. But the borders, they’re still wide open after all these years. And the Democrats, and the Republicans have never done anything about it, “unblanking” believable!!

And in the end Jimmy Carter, got the Nobel Peace Prize for his work back then. So how’s that “peace” working out for those people over there in the Middle East now? Not too good, huh? And now that wonderful “peace” has spread to Europe too, and America is next on the list.
Is anybody ready to close our borders now?

Now once again, I’m not sure what you’re talking about in regards to my writing style. Are you referring to that crappy old keyboard I used to use, the old Dell keyboard? Well sometimes a few of the letters used to stick here and there, when I used it. So if that’s what you meant, well I threw that thing away awhile back (LMAO).

So it meant Stream-Of-Consciousness-Guy (SOCG)? That’s funny!!

Old Jarhead| 8.24.09 @ 1:28PM

I was wearing a USA flag pin and displaying a large flag in my inner city elementary school classroom up to the morning of September 11, 2001. The wannabe shallow patriotism, the fear-mongering, and the hate-mongering that has followed that tragic event makes it hard for me to still have hope, vision and patriotism for the nation. I have existed through 12 presidents of the USA. Even though I disagree with some things of the Feds and the President nowadays, I am "old school" (or maybe "old Corps") and will not slur, smear, or disrespect the new C-in-C.
Shame on most all of you AS readers and writers!
You all seek to desecrate and dishonor our country and those who have and now do serve it.
You are fortunate and lucky to be under a constitution where you actions or inactions don't get you "disappeared."
Semper Fi to Corps, Country, and the C-in-C

Wankel| 8.24.09 @ 2:19PM

>> Is nothing sacred to them other than power? Is their anything about America that they’d be willing to stand up for and defend?

No and no

Deborah D| 8.24.09 @ 2:29PM

Hey Michale (fake Palin) -- sticks and stones....If all you can do is call me names, here's one for you: malevolent Michale.

robins111| 8.24.09 @ 2:32PM

I can’t really state what is going on for sure in your White House, however I do get the suspicion that there is someone there who just sit’s around and thinks up moronic things to dump on the American people.

We, in Canada annually deal with 9-11 as a day to honor the fallen in the worst terrorist attack in history.

As a Firefighter, it has special meaning for me as well members of my department, when we think of the brothers who lost their lives trying to stop the impossible.

The Democratic Party can rename it or change it into what ever they choose, we will continue to remember and pray for the fallen.

Fivish| 8.24.09 @ 3:20PM

Obummer is going to be the worst President of the USA ever! Appeasement is in the air, just like 1938 all over again. Beware, the Loony Left have no moral compass, no grasp of history and no scruples. Why on earth did you vote Obummer in?

Cecilia Overstreet| 8.24.09 @ 3:40PM

I cannot believe that this what they want to do with 9/11. It is unthinkable and morally wrong. What do Obama and his democratic cronies think this will do to those people who lost loved ones on 9/11, and they call us un-american. I don't think true americans will ever forget what happend on this day.

homer hammerhead| 8.24.09 @ 3:43PM

Obama needs to" go dark " he is too light now to suit me. By the way, can we still use the word "darkie" ? Stephen Foster used it in his song and it said where all the darkies were gay.
Well for all the suckers out there who voted for change, you got some of it and the rest is on the way. It is not going to be pretty either. Obama intends to beat this country down and take it over. Can't happen? What about his czars and his civilian army to control the masses? He already want you to tell on your e-mail buddies and folks it is going to get a lot worse. Just look at all the suckers falling for healthcare plan. He is planning on killing off the old people , he already kills all the babies.
Then you have the great news media like CNN showing the person at a townhall meeting with a semi-automatic rifle and a pistol. Notice how they didn't show that he was black?
WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!! My senator is home but she won't have any town hall meeting, she is a junior senator and hopes she can hide and the people will forget what she has done when her election comes up in 4 more years. I have a report card of all her votes and i will be sending it out every month to let my peeps know what is going on.

KO| 8.24.09 @ 3:49PM

Who can forget the way this day has been remembered by the past administration. I believe it was football games the first year..... I think a moment of silence between the beers. very touching.

James| 8.24.09 @ 4:04PM

Hate from the pseudo patriotism emanates from article and responses. Stop drinking Cool Aid, for it will leave you with a stained mouth.

Josh| 8.24.09 @ 4:07PM

This article is such BS. If anything, 9/11 should be used to honor our public service men and women, out firefighters, police, and EMTs who died, or worked weeks without sleep, or sustained permanent health damage (ignored by by both Mr. Bush and Mr. Giuliani) to save as many as they could. You honestly think putting up a flag and sitting at home reflecting pays better homage to these heroes than getting out into the community and working for just one day to take a little pressure off their daily sacrifice? How better to show our appreciation? You should be ashamed. We're talking one day here. Easy on the hyperbole.

Michele San Pietro| 8.24.09 @ 4:09PM

I think Obama's senseless plan must be stopped at all costs. 9/11 was a national, certainly not a political tragedy.

Chryssa| 8.24.09 @ 4:20PM

Are you really that hateful and bitter over having your a••es handed to you last November that you can't even STAND the thought of being productive one day a year?

You don't want to support your country? You don't want to volunteer to help veterans? You can't spare and hour or two to better the United States of America? You must be an unpatriotic freedom-hater.

Larry Dutra| 8.24.09 @ 4:26PM

Who writes these bold face distorted lies. It's like Hitler and the Nazi party spreading propoganda about jews to justify their extermination. This stuff is non-sense. If this is an American newspaper, then I'm flabergasted that this crap passes as journalism. This is right wing militia camp training facist bull shit. Much scarier than socialized aspects of the medical care system. The balance between right and left wing ideology keeps us from the greed of pure capitilism and the foolishness of communisim which has been proven not to work so what are Americans so afraid of? I don't get this insanity.

JC| 8.24.09 @ 4:31PM

You righties are a jaw-dropping collection of paranoiacs, delusional conspiracy theorists, gun nuts and fake patriots. No wonder nobody takes your drooling simplicity seriously.
STFU.

Mark| 8.24.09 @ 4:31PM

I lost four family members in 9/11. I dont feel what they are doing is wrong at all and I give it my full support.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 4:34PM

Look at the anger...this is priceless. You clowns are so attached to your annointed one, so disappointed that people haven't continued to worship him as he has revealed himself to be a radical left wing dunce, you will do anything to defend him. I don't even have to argue this as it argues itself: He could have picked 364 other days. See you at mid-term elections! Enjoy the ride to the bottom.

Bill S| 8.24.09 @ 4:36PM

I don't know how I stumbled upon this trash heap, but I do know how to prevent ever doing so again. This is the most disgusting plate of hogwash I have seen in my entire history of accessing the Internet.

hornplayin| 8.24.09 @ 4:38PM

Wow! The noive of those trei-huggin', panty-wasted, homoe, Markcist, Soeshlist, Comyanust, Kumbaya-singin', anti-uhmurcin, gun-hatin' LIBRULS!!! I WANT MAH CUNTRY BACK!!!

LOL

Paste this Wikipedia link in your browser's address bar and learn why you REALLY want to vote Democratic. You see, Republicans have consistently driven our nation's debt to the moon - NOT Democrats. You are completely bamboozled, if you think otherwise. See for yourself:

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Irene Conde| 8.24.09 @ 4:39PM

In reference to the date for the National Day of Service, why do we need to constantly mourn? We have paid respect to the fallen that day. Of course we will never forget. But I'm sure the victims would not have wanted us to fall on our knees every 9/11, and scream dramatically, WHY?!! WHY?!! Life goes on people! We all suffered that day and the days after!!! We were all depressed and sick at what happened. But you come to terms with it all and live, as the victims would have wanted us to do. That day we learned that both Republicans and Democrats need to get their foreign policy act together, and not try to shove our ideals down other's throats. This is a blog for conservatives and I find reading the comments so interesting. I mean, I would say a majority are very religious and probably Christian. It amazes me how you all do and say things in the name of Jesus and God to justify your hatred toward others. In that way, you are just like the terrorists. Somehow, I don't think your Jesus and God would have wanted you all to think and talk the way you do.

alyosha| 8.24.09 @ 4:40PM

Of course you'll never mention all the ways GW Bush politicized 9/11 for his own advantage. Tom Ridge talks about this in his upcoming book. All fear, all the time, is all you righties have. When you're afraid, you cannot think.

JFK's words: "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" is completely lost on you ridiculous and bitter people, who cannot see that pulling together to help this country is a terrific way to remember and heal from 9/11.

Ken (Old Texican)| 8.24.09 @ 4:41PM

Whew! Lots of cogent comments!

Thanks, guys.

I think we all have our scroll buttons under control by now. We just scrape the s--t off our screen, (and our shoes), with a flick of a fore-finger, heh!

No one with even a smidgeon of sense will ever think of 9/11 without a moment of prayer/silence in memory of our fallen fellow citizens.

Neither shall we forget those crazy/brave bastards that waded into that inferno to save so many more.

...And all of you silly nit-pickers and childish, prissy, welfare queens better batten down the hatches. You are going to be laughed into oblivion....uh...and be destitute when we cut off your welfare checks...or ACORN checks.

T.E.A.M. AMERICA IS A COUPLE OF DAYS AWAY FROM GOING VIRAL ACROSS THE INTERNET.
We have more money than Mr. Soros, and we have more money than the federal government.

Also, heh, we have more smarts than the entire administration combined.
We hope you will join us.
We are going to provide the threads that connect each patriotic "constitutionalist" American together.

We are going to kick some arse and call some names.
(Uh, you are going to have to spend $20. That will keep the SL Toddards and the Jew haters off the TEAM.)
If you do not have $20, you can contact the editor via e-mail kbjudgeroybean06@gmail.com and I shall ask him to see if you are TEAM material.

Here is a glimpse:

We are Americans

We fall into two overlapping groups.

We are small business owners or officers of small businesses, and our valued employees... and some of us are armed forces Veterans. Perhaps the common denominator among us is that all of us are our own men and women.
We small business people, our employees, and veterans pay 80% of the darned bills in our country, and we are going to take our country back!

All of us engage in a business that requires us to live off of our training and know how. Some of us are medical doctors in private practice, and some of us are engaged in some of the other 'professions'...in private practice. Some of us are simply darned good at providing a world of products and services to fellow Americans.
Many of us have employees who count on us every day to make decent, rational, decisions. Those employees have thrown in their lot with us, hoping that Together, we can navigate the rapids of our world..

(We found each other due to the splendid people at "The American Spectator". They allow free comments upon the articles they write.)
Today, we are all facing a future where our 'public servants' plan to be our masters, and we here....................... refuse.

We believe that in these days, our 'public servants' are trying to turn everything upside down in our country. Instead of listening to 'we the people', and trying in good faith to defend our constitution at the same time, they are throwing our freedom away for the votes of people they can buy with a welfare check or a bribe.

We as a T.E.A.M. can stop them!
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Ruthie| 8.24.09 @ 4:44PM

Matthew Vadum? Who he?

Robin| 8.24.09 @ 4:46PM

I have pictures of myself with a bone in my pubic hair like a cavewoman

Neil| 8.24.09 @ 4:46PM

Too bad nobody here has the guts to admit that 9/11 was orchestrated from INSIDE our government.

I guarantee anyone who researches the Pentagon attack will come to the conclusion that a 757 did not hit the Pentagon. A small military aircraft DID and it could barely burn the grass on the lawn.

CJ| 8.24.09 @ 4:50PM

The irony of it all. Lefties will be the first to scream "racist" and bring up the "slave days" as an excuse as to why minorities can't get ahead in this country. Give me a break! The 13th Amendment was passed by Congress in January 1865. The states ratified the 13th amendment on December 6, 1865. 144 years and "slave days" are still used as a piss-poor excuse for modern laziness. So now they expect everyone to “look forward” and forget about the true significance of 9/11 (which was only 8 years ago)? Why don’t they go first and STFU about what they feel “entitled” to because of what their ANCESTORS were put through? Get an education, get a job and help your Chosen One to pay for the mess he is creating.

CJ| 8.24.09 @ 4:54PM

Neil, you are a tool. Cite your source.

TJ| 8.24.09 @ 4:56PM

This is almost hilarious. I think I may have just lost brain cells reading this ignorant propoganda

BillyBob Bowlegs| 8.24.09 @ 4:57PM

You guys need to realize that that "hillbilly cocaine" causes really paranoid hullucinations, especially when you smoke it on the wrong side of the tinfoil.

Liberal Reader| 8.24.09 @ 5:03PM

Yeah ... One thing you'll never see is a Republican politician exploiting 9.11 for political gain.

Way too much integrity for that.

Or, if they do, it's O.K., because they're white people. When white people exploit the tragedy of others for political gain, they do it for the Right Reasons. When black people do it, it's a "desecration."

Julie| 8.24.09 @ 5:09PM

Oh no! If this passes, right wing fear montering nut-jobs will no longer be able to use the name of 9/11 for political gain! Perhaps instead they will need to come up with some other platform. Maybe try : I know we backed Bush blindly for two terms and therefore indirectly caused the current recession, but we're victims too. Obama is evil!

jim rice| 8.24.09 @ 5:10PM

omg. this is freaking hilarious.
"strip 9/11 of all meaning."

My God... what a horrible piece of garbage this is.

I might as well go equally as stupid and remind everyone that george bush caused the terrorist attacks!

God, this is stupid.

Ken (Old Texican)| 8.24.09 @ 5:10PM

Hey Lib:
I'm one half native American...screw you!

My son married the most beautiful black girl. Hell, if anyone in that relationship is a "N" it is he.

You are a racist SOB!

Jim| 8.24.09 @ 5:12PM

Or, you could say, they are trying to GIVE the day meaning.

Just because this author says it, doesn't make it true, either.

Joan| 8.24.09 @ 5:17PM

Wow. This article is really strange. How could anyone, R or D, condemn a day that gets lazy selfish folks off their butts to go help others? Isn't helping other Americans what makes this country strong? and what's not to like about community gardens? Remember the victory garden effort? What could be more American than that? This article just makes conservatives look stupid. It's insulting.

deborah| 8.24.09 @ 5:19PM

Here is the true story:
President Barack Obama marked the launch of the Post-9/11 GI Bill on Monday with a call to national civilian service by veterans taking advantage of the generous new education benefit.

“We do this not just to meet our moral obligation to those who sacrificed greatly on our behalf and on behalf of the country,” said Obama, addressing a veteran-rich audience gathered at Northern Virginia’s George Mason University on the day the Department of Veterans Affairs began disbursing tuition payments under the program. “We do it because these men and women must now be prepared to lead our nation in the peaceful pursuit of economic leadership in the 21st century.

“The contributions that our service men and women can make to this nation do not end when they take off that uniform,” Obama added. “We owe a debt to all who serve. And when we repay that debt to those bravest Americans among us, then we are investing in our future. Not just their future, but also the future of our own country.”

JT| 8.24.09 @ 5:26PM

What is wrong with honoring the SERVICE that the heroes of 9/11 performed by people becoming everyday heroes for their neighborhoods? I suppose sitting around at a BBQ waving a flag is just easier than helping someone else. I am so sad for those of you that have a problem with this effort.

Joe| 8.24.09 @ 5:27PM

Can anyone say thank you Hitler jr....I mean Obama. or Osama or Nobama.

Ken (Old Texican)| 8.24.09 @ 5:29PM

Deborah,
Mr. Obama is a liar and oath-breaker. I do not give one moment to listen to him lie again.

your President is a liar and oath-breaker.

Mikee| 8.24.09 @ 5:33PM

This article and the comments following are some of the most retarded flip flap I've ever seen Americans spew out of their hateful, pea sized brains.

Jilli| 8.24.09 @ 5:35PM

Man, my shoe size is bigger than the collective IQ of posters on this site.

You don't think that the advertiser boycott has anything to do with Beck's hateful smear that Obama is a "racist" who suffers from a "deep seated hatred of white people" do you?

Jeez, you people are lemmings.

Big J| 8.24.09 @ 5:36PM

Wow! How interesting to see all the Daily Kos hijackers out today. Must be a lib holiday or something. I didn't see it on the calendar. Maybe Ted Kennedy Day? Maybe because your Savior is on a six-figure vacation on Mahtha's Vineyahd, and you're missing the 24/7 slobbering coverage you have become so accustomed to over the last year and a half.

I know National Service Day isn't for another 2 1/2 weeks, so that can't be it.

Using September 11, 2001 for political gain? I haven't seen it. If you have, you are completely missing it, and fall into the category of "never gonna get it".

September 11th is not a day for "national service". It is a day of sorrow for the unnecessary loss of innocent life. It is a day to remember why we are fighting radical Islam all around the world. It is a day to remember what happens when you let your guard down (thanks William Jefferson Clinton), and trust in the "live and let live" philosophy.

Oh, woe is you that hate this country so much. Yes, you HATE it. I don't know why.

Maybe because we have poor, drug addled homeless people.

Maybe because EVERYONE doesn't get everything they want just because they breathe air.

Maybe you were a gate crasher at woodstock that didn't get in.

I don't know, but I see a lot of you freaks running things in Washington right now.

You disgust me to the core. You dishonor our military. You dishonor our flag. You dishonor your family heritage.

Honestly, you make me want to puke.

Go on, losers. Blame everything from the terrorist attacks to the economy on the EVIL BOOOOOOOSH.

Somehow, I don't think you sleep any better at night.

Somehow, I don't think you find it any easier to look at your reflection in the mirror.

I would wager that you hang your head in shame when you pass an honorable member of our military on the street.

Thankfully, I hold my head high, shake their hand and thank them from the bottom of my heart for all they sacrifice for little 'ole me, never having even MET me.

You wacko libs need to be driven out of this country for good before you destroy her.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 5:37PM

America's greatest enemy of freedom, national security, and ultimately world peace, currently resides at 1600 Pennsylvania, Ave., Washington D.C. That the fourth estate incessantly bloviates about that enemy's wife (as a distraction), whether or not this ' fashion queen' is wearing embarrassingly frayed jeans as her bow-legs sashay down the steps of Air Force One, is just more proof that the band plays on...

WiseWhiteMan| 8.24.09 @ 5:39PM

"your President is a liar and oath-breaker. "

He's your president too, Texican, like it or not, just as Reagan, Nixon, and the two Bushies were mine, like it or not. Or have you decided that you are no longer an American?

WiseWhiteMan| 8.24.09 @ 5:43PM

What a bunch of hysterical pantywaists! You want only people who think like you. "Drive out the libs!"
You're a bunch of jack booted fascist thugs!

Deborah| 8.24.09 @ 5:46PM

Ken - I am sorry you believe President Obama to be a liar and an oath breaker.
As someone with family members who have/are serving in the middle east, I am appreciative of the additional educational opportunities they will have once they have finished serving our country.

Big J| 8.24.09 @ 5:49PM

WiseWhatever-Color-You-Are-Man:

You're right! Finally one of you nut-jobs actually get it! We want only people who think like us because.....

Are your ready?

WE ARE RIGHT!

That's why we are called the RIGHT, not the left.

How something so simple could elude you for so long, I'll never know.

:)

Neill| 8.24.09 @ 5:51PM

This is one of the most absurd things I have ever read! Partisanship is tearing this nation apart and rhetoric like is what fuels the rift. As mentioned once in the article, 9/11 belongs to ALL Americans (yes, even the liberal commies). The idea that anyone would say "They think it needs to be taken back from the right" blows my mind.

Yes 9/11 was a tragedy! It should be a day of reflection and remembrance; however it should also be a day where we can come together as Americans. What would show solidarity more then a community garden or taking care of your fellow Americans?

If we bicker about who "owns" 9/11, then those NYC citizens died in vein. In these trying times, we need to come together as Americans!

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 5:52PM

'WiseWhiteMan':

Until Zerobama produces a REAL birth certificate (with doctor and certificate registrar signatures obviously free of words like "African" and 'Caucasian' not employed 48 yrs ago (vice 'negro' and 'white' -- the universal standards at the time) , nobody's even sure whether Zerobama's an American, let alone 'our president!'

Ed| 8.24.09 @ 5:54PM

I sure hope you are all adequately impressed with yourselves. I bet you just glow with an absolute awe when you read your posts over and over again. As a matter of fact, I bet McCain would have fixed everything by now. He sure picked someone for VP that was very qualified didn't he? I'm thinking his IQ during that period was 2. Okay, if you believe it washigher than that, I'll call it 02. Why the number two? Well.... it's got to be because Mrs. Palin had two boobies! Isn't that funny??? I think I'm gonna read this over and over again when it shows up!

Mason | 8.24.09 @ 5:58PM

You are one sick cookie. You are talking nonsense and should be jailed for being unamerican. You are the dumbest broad I have ever seen. Go to hell.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 6:04PM

Ed:
Quite frankly, I can't see where Palin has proved herself to be an "idiot" (your implication) in the same vein I have yet to see Zerobama prove he's a "genius." McCain, on the other hand, did prove himself to be an idiot (Keating 5, McCain-Kennedy, McCain-Feingold etc.), but he was a less objectionable one than the current socialist / income redistributionist / ACORN loon we have today.

Republican Nonsense| 8.24.09 @ 6:05PM

You provide no evidence. I can hardly believe you made a career crying wolf to the 40% if Americans who can not critically think. More Republican Nonsense as usual.

Next time you can try and be a real journalist and provide facts, and details on what Obama is actually doing.

Frederickus| 8.24.09 @ 6:05PM

All you right wing zealots are so full of shit your eyes are brown!

"...just stop makin' stuff up!" - S. Palin

jedediah redman| 8.24.09 @ 6:11PM

How many of the 3000 were actually American citizens?

rodman820| 8.24.09 @ 6:16PM

What's really dismaying about this post, is not the article itself, which is intellectual and literary rubbish, but the fact that so many people read this, find that it scratches their political itches and obligingly fall into line like perfect little dupes ought to.

The irony is that they fall perfectly into line while shouting slogans about individualism, packaged for them by their handlers:

Socialists!
The Chosen One!
Nationalized Medicine!
Death Panels!
ACORN!
Hitler Youth!
B. Hussein Obama!
Muslim!
etc. etc. etc.

Here's to you - the readers of the American Spectator: one more footnote to be added to future textbooks describing the dissabling of American political discourse with cheerleading and pavlovian political slogan mongering.

By the way, I'm a Republican, or was, till my party became the party of distortion, spending, fear and lies.

I see members of my party, instantly adopt and propagate lies without even a moment's circumspection. Derogotory psuedonyms like the above and dismissive re-presentations of ideas and initiatives (like this article) are instantly seized upon and regurgitated with astonishing amnesia and hubris.

The GOP has become an emblem of political distortion, and I am ashamed of that.

I am not alone.

I guess , in reality I still am a Republican, but I'm not sure what you are. Political Narcissists, or simply puppets?

Either way; good luck with that mid-term comback! I hope you enjoy the lives of duped drones.

Please try to avoid totally screwing up my country though.

Thanks,

Ken (Old Texican)| 8.24.09 @ 6:20PM

Deborah...can you read?

Read the Obamas' own words. He is a liar and oath-breaker.
He swore an oath to defend the constitution...then started hiring czars and stealing car companies from their rightful owners.

If you have a 401K plan...the dumbby stole from you too.

EARL BLOUNTZ| 8.24.09 @ 6:21PM

They are just trying to make us forget about the fact the government killed thousands of people on 9/11 further spreading obamas illusion of hope

We will never forget| 8.24.09 @ 6:23PM

I suggest forming groups across the nation for Rememberance of those dear people who lost their lives on 9/11. Let the lefties go clean up their own mess. We can and will honor our country and her people. We will never forget 9/11 and what it truly represents.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 6:23PM

Rodman:

I'm sure you and Colon (sp) Powell have a lot talk about over cherry cola each night, like Nancy Pelosi's botox job, Shillary's tirade against some poor student from Gabon, nationalized healthcare crammed down the average American's throat.

Not that I agree with Limbaugh on everything (like abortion, for example), but as he well articulated about your pal Colon, you need to formally join your party of parasites and stop pretending you were anything but one of them at any time...

jjtex| 8.24.09 @ 6:25PM

I just hope and pray to God that enough Americans are not brainwashed or intimidated by the (FAR) leftist liberals in control of the Democrat party so that they will be voted out of control of both our government and the Democrat party! Heaven help us if that does not happen over the next several elections!!

Clear Thinker| 8.24.09 @ 6:28PM

Many of you so-called patriotic right wing nut bags spew more invective and hate that you accuse the left wing /liberals of doing. And I'm neither left or right wing. I'm an American first and foremost. A lot of you posters have deluded ideas of what will happen in the future.You DON'T have crystal balls and CAN NOT see into the future. Get over your selves. You obviously have way too much time on your hands. Sad and pathetic.

Beverly Snider| 8.24.09 @ 6:28PM

This is nut talk. All of it. Feeding the seeds of discontent - used to be known as treason.

Scotty| 8.24.09 @ 6:29PM

You people are delusional.

cc| 8.24.09 @ 6:41PM

you people are a bunch of nut sacks. for 8 years you fu##ed things up beyond belief, and now all you can do is complain. W almost ruined this country, anything Obama does will be better, even if I don't agree with everything he does. You Repubs failed, now shut the hell up while somebody tries to do better.

Pat| 8.24.09 @ 6:43PM

President Barack Obama Signs Legislation to Establish Anniversary of 9/11 as a National Day of Service and Remembrance

http://news.prnewswire.com/Dis.....mp;EDATE;=

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 6:43PM

This is fantastic. In the same way the Obamatrons sent Union thugs to town hall meetings when real Americans dared express dissent, so they now send the trolls to shout down this message. This must have struck a nerve given the number of trolls they sent this time - it is usually just LR, Bob, etc...(probably still is, just different handles and multiple posts). You see, in liberal utopia, no one really hates anyone else or wishes to kill them. So 9/11 as an all to real reminder that we must remain ever vigilant and prepared to defend ourselves against foam-at-the-mouth radical Islamists whose only purpose in life is to kill infidels (Americans) doesn't sit well with them. Trying to distort this reminder is transparent and insulting - they could chose any of 364 other days as National Hippie Day. I almost hope this happens, because the backlash will be fierce. Osama, like all elitist liberals who purport to RULE instead of GOVERN, is completely out of touch with real Americans (and Global realities) and he will pay for it at the polls.

Peg| 9.12.10 @ 1:04AM

Your just an idiot. I don't think I can help you at all. The rest of you, please try to use your own brains and common sense.

TSprague| 8.24.09 @ 6:54PM

I don't see anything wrong with turning 9/11 into a day of helping other people.
Why would you CHOOSE to believe these lies?

rodman820| 8.24.09 @ 6:56PM

Scion_of_greed,

Thanks for reinforcing my point for me:

ColOn Powell
Pelosi - Botox
Cherry Coke
Shillary

A few more derogotory psuedonyms to add to the list.

The right really can't make a single argument without deriding, and lampooning those who disagree with them.

If I agreed with Limbaugh on every topic, (which I don't - on any), but would still repudiate his tactics of distortion, defamation and lies.

Nothing that can only be gained only through lies, invectives, exagerations, straw man arguments and defamation is worth gaining at all.

On the other hand, if the Right's agenda CAN be moved forward without the use of these tactics, then what a testament it is to your lack of scruples that you all still so eagerly engage in them!

So, you can take your pick;

Either your agenda is reliant on lies and distortion for it's advancement and is therefore not worthy of advancement or you are all so lazy and corrupt of mind that you use them anyway.

Either way - nothing to be proud of.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 6:59PM

TSprague:

Great. And let's make December 7th a day for swimming lessons in the tropic...Martin Luther King Day a day to celebrate adultery in a backwoods motel, and April Fool's day your official b-day?

Pleasantville| 8.24.09 @ 7:05PM

You guys are truly pathetic. I pity you in your paaranoia and tunnel vision.

Simon Templar| 8.24.09 @ 7:10PM

You always know when an article is spot right on. You immediatelt have a rush of Obamanites and left wing radicals hit these sights like a plague of locust. Chewing and spitting their way through it..doing the usual projecting, distorting, and manipulating....quite a desperate reaction to a very real percieved threat apparently. Holding the conservatives and so-called right wing nuts to standards they do not hold for themselves but nevertheless do not see this at all and continue with quite lame arguments with no real substance. Acting like 5 years olds and complaininmg to mommy that Billy called me a name so Billy is now irrevelant and must go to his room and shut up. All the while throwing barbs, smearing reputations, insulting people daughters with references to rape, making up news reports, calling people racist because they disagree with socialized medicine. Its laughable.

Cindy O| 8.24.09 @ 7:17PM

Wow... can't wait to shoot Obama down already. It should not be an anuual remembrance of fear; it should and can be a day to remember what transpired on 9-11 and if the country can do something positive, I'm all for it. The right wing nutjobs anre at it again; all up in arms over something they can't even decipher correctly. Stupid, stupid people. Not that the Dems in general are much better; we'd be better off if we stopped electing so many representatives that only pay lip service to the problems facing this country during election years and forget us afterwards. Too bad this country forgot HOW to properly elect an individual. It's all about how they speak, how they look and how good their speechwriters are. Either Ron Paul or Dennid Kucinich would have been better choices but they just aren't as savvy. Too much celebrity focus and not enough substance.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 7:17PM

Rodman:

You know, in all seriousness, while you (lefties) accuse Republicans of 'all kinds of lies and distortions," I am still waiting for you to cite at least one! I can in your regards, however: Zerobama told us he was a 'racial healer,' (an obvious lie since that day will never arrive, unfortunately) but since becoming president, he called a white policeman 'stupid' before he knew zilch about the charged incident in Taxachussetts, he was quick to accuse some Americans of 'racism' for emphasizing his middle name (Hussein) but bent over backwards to repeat it to those in the Middle East during a trip months ago (besides bowing to the King of Saudi Arabia but failing to do that before the Queen of England), and earlier penned a book where his disdain for the white man is expressed on practically every other page.

So much for 'Mr. Wonderful.' Now you are complaining about what again?

Peg| 9.12.10 @ 1:08AM

I can name Republican lies:
1) The war in Iraq was about weapons of mass destruction.
2) We are for the small businessman.
3) We are frugal spenders with American tax dollars,
shall I go on?

14rondy| 8.24.09 @ 7:18PM

Republican Democrat, Democrat Republican voters still don't get it do they? "Wake up America" It's time to start thinking third party politics we will never get out of this hole unless we shake em up so for gods sake please "wake up" and vote for someone else other than Republican or Democrat. I don't care if it's Roger Rabbit he'd probably do a better job anyway! "anybody but them"!

Nobama| 8.24.09 @ 7:20PM

Who let the hateful Huff/Po freaks and nuts out of their asylum? Back to your rubber rooms, leftist goons and monsters!

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 7:24PM

I think these must be the new recruits...like the ACORN election fixers, they get paid by the post, but they aren't particularly good at what they do yet. You can see elements of the liberal strategy (diversion to a different subject, I used to be a Republican, etc...), but none of these hacks has it down like the troll masters LR and Bob.

Zork| 8.24.09 @ 7:29PM

It's amazing that belief can cause such hatred among people. A believer is basically a blind person who cannot figure out things on their own. They just follow blindly. There is no difference among Christians, Hindus, Jews or Muslims. They are all believers. Politics is no difference. The truth does not matter to a believer. Use logic and common sense, ask questions. Stop treating beliefs as facts.

rodman820| 8.24.09 @ 7:29PM

Simon Templar,

Of course, any objection to your opinion MUST be orchestrated by some sinister cartel, lurking in the backrooms of the internet, sniffing around for un-flattering remarks.

This piece was featured on Yahoo News, (where it had NO business appearing), could it be that this explains the amount of reaction received here?

Nah - you're right, it couldn't be the rational reason; it must be the Obamanite monsters under your bed, waiting to jump out and bite your ankles whenever you step out of line.

Seriously - you guys are running a boogeyman factory over there!

Back in reality....

The piece is poorly written, poorly reasoned, disconnected and provides no evidence to support it's assumed content of Obama's re-purposing of the 9-11 observance and certainly doesn't waste any energy in delving into the potential, positive psychological effeects of such a re-purposing.

9-11 will be, and ought to be remembered in perpetuity; but what is gained by an anual wringing of our hands, reciting names and reinforcing our victimhood while we justify the victimization of others and throw our liberties on the fire?

Our utter fixation on the gruesome and brutal reality of that day and the equally gruesome and brutal reality we created in response to that day are an ongoing capitulation of this nation to the intent of the attacks. We are owned. The attacks and those who commisioned them continue to define us, to tell us who we are and how we relate to the world.

How can we expect to ever defeat a mindset that so completely holds us hostage?

First we free 9-11 from them, take it back and make it about us. Then we get our country back and maybe someday, our souls.

Well, maybe not that - but I can hope.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 7:40PM

I confess: I am a democrat (LOL), and here's why:

I voted Democrat because I love the fact that I can now marry whatever I want. I've decided to marry my horse (and tomorrow my three (3) wives from Kenya, the same as Zerobama's late father.

I voted Democrat because I believe oil companies' profits of 4% on a gallon of gas are obscene but the government taxing the same gallon of gas at 15% isn't.

I voted Democrat because I believe the government will do a better job of spending the money I earn than I would.

I voted Democrat because freedom of speech is fine as long as nobody is offended by it.

I voted Democrat because when we pull out of Iraq I trust that the bad guys will stop what they're doing because they now think we're good people.

I voted Democrat because I'm way too irresponsible to own a gun, and I know that my local police are all I need to protect me from murderers and thieves.

I voted Democrat because I believe that people who can't tell us if it will rain on Friday can tell us that the polar ice caps will melt away in ten years if I don't start driving a Prius.

I voted Democrat because I want to keep all death row inmates alive.

I voted Democrat because I believe that business should not be allowed to make profits for themselves. They need to break even and give the rest away to the government for redistribution as THEY see fit.

I voted Democrat because I believe liberal judges need to rewrite the Constitution every few days to suit some fringe kooks who would never get their agendas past the voters.

I voted Democrat because my head is so firmly planted (omitted for the sake of decency, but you get the drift) that it is unlikely that I'll ever have another point of view.

Comprendez vous??

Peg| 9.12.10 @ 1:11AM

I VOTED DEMOCRAT BECAUSE GEORGE BUSH WAS PRESIDENT AND THE REPUBLICAN PARTY IS A CORRUPT BUNCH OF LIARS.

summa| 8.24.09 @ 7:41PM

Josh Josh Josh..shakes my head. Tsk, tsk. Yes we are talking one day and for many this "one" day is a living memory of hell and will never be erased in their memories, nor should it. The day is not a day of National, cough, service. It is a reminder to every single citizen of these United States of anquish and pain as is Pearl Harbor. We must remain vigil in our watch. We must honor the brave and NEVER FORGET 9/11. You want a day of National Service? Well get on down to the soup kitchen, go on...

Suzie Q| 8.24.09 @ 7:44PM

Thank you for your sublime sermon and perfect pearls of wisdom, Zork. Please tell us the name of the planet you traveled from.

Cindy O| 8.24.09 @ 7:49PM

Scion_of_greed: you and the rest of your kind (mental defectives that think only their point of view is the rght one) are assholes. Do you think by replying to each and every post here will bring your stupid and NOT comical points home any more? Why don't you and the rest of your ilk just STFU already? This is a retarded article. I don't even know HOW I came across this drivel but I will be sure NEVER to read anything from this rag again.

Lauri| 8.24.09 @ 7:57PM

To Dave Lincoln: How do you know that if passengers were allowed to carry guns that "none of the people on the ground would have been hurt if just a few passengers and/or crew on each of the 4 aircraft been armed." Being a gun carrier doesn't mean you know how to use one.

Walt Forest| 8.24.09 @ 7:59PM

Reading through the column and the comments all I see is reflexive spasms of paranoia. This is what passes as conservatism? No solutions, no calls to any type of constructive action. Just venting. A contest to see how many times and how many ways you can call Obama a communist as if it's a measure of your superior patriotism. Pathetic. Any gains the Right has expereinced in the past month is because Obama has alienated his left flank. He will address that over the next month to put his own house in order. And where will that leave the Right. Will you scream 'Commie! Commie! Commie!' even louder? Might work for a while but what happens when the public actually looks to the Right for actual solutions - and all you have is complaints? I know; tax breaks for the rich, deregulate the markets, and invade Iran. Because it worked so well before. Imbeciles.

Scion_of_greed| 8.24.09 @ 8:03PM

Cindy O:

I propose you and I go out on a date to hash out our differences! [Unlike Zerobama, my 'hash' is of the verbal kind, not the kind smoked -- by his own admission, as you recall.]

Then, you could use as much unfiltered invective in my direction as your ladylike heart desires! You could tell me why you are looking to marry a man like Bill Clinton who, while expressing on many a public occasion that women are deserving of respect and fidelity, more often than not woke up in every woman's pants but Shillary's (and hasn't been seen there since Chelsea was hatched). Now, this isn't to say that all Republicans honor fidelity to the day they die (hardly!), but an opportunity for you tell me why democrats are such better fellows...meanwhile, you could do to me what every democrat dreams of doing: sticking me with the (bloated) bill when all was 'said' and done!

How could you go wrong? So, honeybun, what are you doing next Friday? I tell you it's destiny -- don't disappoint! [LOL]

ladykrystyna| 8.24.09 @ 8:04PM

For some of you liberals:

It's not always WHAT Obama says, it's the implications behind it. If you put together many of the things he has said over the years - including supporting a single-payer healthcare system, being disappointed that the Constitution didn't have any "positive rights", that is, what the gov't SHOULD be doing FOR the people, and many others, this "National Service Day" on a day that memorializes one of the direct attacks on our soil by a foreign entity, a day that killed over 3,000 men, women and children (regardless of race, religion, citizenship), smells bad. Very bad.

Obama is calling acts of terrorism "Man made disasters"? Hello? Have any of you read "1984"? Does "Newspeak" sound familiar to you?

That's what we are talking about. We are not paranoid, just vigilant against gov't, as our Founding Fathers were.

Please take the time to read and reflect on the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and many of our other founding papers and find for me where our Founding Fathers said that Gov't should take over private businesses that are failing, mandate banks to give loans to people that would otherwise not qualify, and control Health Care beyond the usual laws regarding contracts and fraud.

Let me know what you find.

I won't hold my breath though. I expect nothing but ad hominem attacks, deflection, etc.

The fact that Obama is doing this in order to take it away from Republicans proves that it's more than just "Be Nice to Your Neighbor" day. It's political pure and simple.

And conservatives and Republicans may like to harken back to 9/11, usually b/c it's a reminder that we have to be vigilant against such attacks in the future. Unless you want someone to park a dirty bomb in your neighborhood.

Cam| 8.24.09 @ 8:05PM

Bush's Plan to Desecrate 9/11
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Monday, September 08, 2008

President Bush Renews His Post-9/11 Call to Service; Honors the Compassion of America’s Volunteers
http://www.nationalservice.gov.....pr_id=1132

Katherine| 8.24.09 @ 8:13PM

...Uh, I don't really see the problem with this.

How is making it a National Service Day at all changing the meaning of the holiday? Simple: it doesn't. It will mean the same thing to the same people. Let's be honest with ourselves. Do we sit around on the aniversary of Pearl Harbor and honestly mourn the victims? No. Three hundred years from now, no one will be crying over 9/11 regardless of what it's called -- so they might as well be doing something USEFUL on that date.

I think turning the day into a day of Service is the perfect way to honor the victims. Now it will become a day toward bettering the Earth, bettering AMERICA, and not just having a nice free day off from work.

And it completely makes sense that it would be a day of service, as it was firemen and service workers in New York City who were the real heroes of this operation.

It's sickening that people are turning this plan around and calling it a "desecration". What would they prefer it be? A Day of Mourning? A Day of Death? Why do we need a whole day to remember that? Families of these people will remember it their whole lives, they don't need a day to sit around and be depressed and get discounts at their local mall. Productivity heals. If I was one of the victims, I'd be thrilled that they were doing useful things with the day and making Americans turn to each other for help and unity. THAT is one of the only good things 9/11 made -- it united the whole country, if only for a moment, and I can think of no better way to replicate that feeling.

Slashy| 8.24.09 @ 8:17PM

Ahahaha wow.

Samantha| 8.24.09 @ 8:20PM

SEEMS THAT PRESIDENT OBAMA IS PICKING UP WHERE PRESIDENT BUSH LEFT OFF
__________________________________President Bush Renews His Post-9/11 Call to Service; Honors the Compassion of America’s Volunteers

ex-soldier teaching| 8.24.09 @ 8:23PM

I can't help thinking when I read the liberals´ posts here that this is what a public eductaion in America now gives us, especially in the large cities/districts - and I include state universities in that mix.
I served in Iraq with an infantry unit and lived through some very stressfull situations. I came home after two tours (that included being fired on and having to lay down fire), got my teacher's license, and now I'm surrounded by liberal educators and administration teaching our impressionable, gullible youth that, well, we have to look deep into ourselves first to see what's wrong with the world; how could WE have done things differently? What does our flag really represent to other peoples in the world? Let's write a 1st Person account of our day as a Palestinian in "Occupied Palestine"; let's take a deep look into the motives of our (always Republican) administrations? Oh...let's honor and idolize FDR, JFK, Carter, Clinton...and who was Ronald Reagan? (Oh tea, the president who presided over Iran-Contra, but really nothing else worth even mentioning). Hey Johnny, you can't wear that McCain t-shirt to school, but sure, that "Yes We Can" and "Time for Change" t-shirt is perfectly fine.
It's disgusting. So bad that I'm going to work for the DoD Schools System overseas and getting away from these stupid, unAmerican, blame-America-first numbnuts in charge of educating our children. I honestly believe I'm the ONLY conservative on a staff of about 100.
Conservatives, take a close look at your kids' text books, homework assignments, district/school curriculum (demand copies of it). I'll promise you, your kids are very likely being brainwashed by Leftist nimrods.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 8:26PM

"An unjust war you say?"

Not just me, obviously. I should think that anyone with a brain would recognize that a war launched on the basis of a falsehood (Saddam having WMD) is categorically unjust - a literal war crime.

"What would it have taken for you to call it a Just War?"

My standards for a Just War are no different than anyone else's - a Just War is a war fought in defense or in the clear and present danger of imminent attack. Iraq never attacked us and no evidence was ever brought forth - fabricated or otherwise - that they intended to.

"Would it have been enough for you if that plane that went down in Pennsylvania that day, made it all the way to the White House? Would the destruction of the symbol of American Government been enough for you?"

Obviously not. The idea that an attack by *Al Qaeda* would somehow justify the conquest of a country that was entirely unaffiliated with the attack - in any way whatsoever - is ludicrous.

"Or would it have been enough for you if one of those terrorist plots that did get foiled through the surveillance programs had happened, and it was your Hometown that got hit instead?"

Again, an attack by Al Qaeda obviously does not justify the conquest of a country that had nothing to do with that attack. That shouldn't really need explaining, to be honest.

"We won’t know if that would’ve been enough for you to call it a Just War, because the surveillance of “suspect” so-called Americans and their Terrorist friends worked, and a lot of those plots were stopped."

A lot of them? How many were foiled during the felonies committed by violating FISA, and why would that same surveillance have not been possible without committing crimes (i.e. by conducting them within the boundaries of the law as defined by FISA)? And please keep in mind, before you answer: a suspected terrorist may be wiretapped regardless of when and where the call originates, and a warrant applied for AFTER. And before you start shrieking about what might happen if a FISA warrant were denied remember this: In the period 1979-2006 a total of 22,990 applications for warrants were made to the FISA Court - 22,985 were approved, and only FIVE were rejected.

"And I say so-called Americans, because I don’t have any friends that hang out with Islamic Terrorist in Afghanistan or Pakistan. So I’m not going to be getting any phone calls in the middle of the night from over there anyway (unless somebody dialed the wrong number?)."

So it's okay for the government to commit felonies, to break our laws and spy on their own citizens like the KGB... because you aren't personally effected? Do I have that right?

"Did the surveillance programs take away some of our freedom? Of course they did, but no one could have foreseen the type of technology that our enemy would be using against us (our technology)."

Yes they could - George W Bush and the U.S. intelligence services knew *exactly* the type of technology that our enemies could use - that is why in 2001, after 9/11, they amended FISA. It's almost funny you should use that defense (of goverment lawbreaking) - in 2001 (after 9/11) the GOP congress amended FISA to George Bush's specifications to address that exact problem. When *George W Bush* signed it into law he - president *George W Bush* - had THIS to say about the new amended FISA law (which he later violated, committing multiple felonies):

"The changes, effective today, will help counter a threat like no other our Nation has ever faced. . . .

We're dealing with terrorists who operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies, some of which were not even available when our existing laws were written. *The bill before me takes account of the new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists*. It will help law enforcement to identify, to dismantle, to disrupt, and to punish terrorists before they strike. . . .

Surveillance of communications is another essential tool to pursue and stop terrorists. The existing law was written in the era of rotary telephones. *This new law I sign today will allow surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including e-mails, the Internet, and cell phones*. As of today, we'll be able to better meet the technological challenges posed by this proliferation of communications technology"

The next day, President Bush said:

"The bill I signed yesterday gives intelligence and law enforcement officials additional tools they need to hunt and capture and punish terrorists. Our enemies operate by highly sophisticated methods and technologies, using the latest means of communication and the new weapon of bioterrorism.

When earlier laws were written, some of these methods did not even exist. *The new law recognizes the realities and dangers posed by the modern terrorist*. It will help us to prosecute terrorist organizations -- and also to detect them before they strike. . . .

Surveillance of communications is another essential method of law enforcement. But for a long time, we have been working under laws written in the era of rotary telephones. Under the new law, officials may conduct court-ordered surveillance of all modern forms of communication used by terrorists."

So you see, according to George W Bush himself the FISA amendment gave him all the powers he needed, and yet he still conducted surveillance on American citzens on American soil with no warrants - a clear, unambiguous CRIME. Do you believe in the Rule of Law, or do you consider the Constitution - that our soldiers are sworn to defend - some sort of joke? Are you actually an American?

"When Islam started attacking the West, 1,400 years ago, they were on horseback (I guess they still are?) The internet, and telephones didn’t exist back then, but now they do, and Islam is still attacking the West, only now they’re using our technology against us. So what do you do with them, shoot their horse, or tap their phone?"

You tap their phone, of course, using the broad powers authorised by FISA which, according to George W Bush was perfectly equipped to deal with the "new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists", and allowed "surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including e-mails, the Internet, and cell phones". He should know, since it was amended to his specifications to address the problem you mention.

"Will it be enough for you, if tomorrow morning when you turn on you TV in the morning, and there it is again, Islamic terrorist have hit another America City."

Will that be enough for me to sacrifice my God-given Liberty? To incinerate the Constitution and soil the legacy bequeathed to us by the Founders? No - it most certainly will not. I am an American, and we hold our freedoms more dearly than our lives. That is why Patrick Henry said "Give me Liberty or give me Death", not "Make me safe at whatever cost, Daddy State, for I am a coward in need of coddling".

"Will a few thousand more dead Americans, all in the name of Allah be enough for you to call it a Just War then?"

Will it justify another attack on another country innocent of that particular crime? Isn't the answer obvious? An Al Qaeda attack on Disney World will not justify an attack on Belgium. A Hamas attack on a Synagogue in New York will not justify a war against Switzerland. A Hezbollah attack against Detroit will not justify a war against France.

Do I need to explain why?

"Would anything ever be enough for you?"

Of course - an Iraqi attack on America, or evidence of an imminent Iraqi attack against America - these things could justify an attack against Iraq.

"I could care less which party is in power when we get attacked, as long as they respond to our enemy to defend this Country"

Attacking the wrong country does not "defend this Country" - it weakens it, and makes it appear clownish and dishonorable before the world. It sullies our name and demonstrates our stupidity and lack of decency. It turns us into War Criminals and kills our soldiers - and their blood is on the hands of every Iraq War supporter.

"In 1979, President Carter sat back and did nothing, as Americans were held hostage for 444 days. He should’ve declared War on Iran right then and there"

According to the LLL doctrine the Iran Hostage Crisis would justify the conquest of Argentina. Wake up for God's sake.

Cam| 8.24.09 @ 8:33PM

and the point is....President Bush was for a National Day of Service BEFORE President Obama was. Nobody accused Bush of desecrating 911...oops kinda when he went into Iraq instead of Afganistan.

Interloper| 8.24.09 @ 8:37PM

I thought a dirty bomb had exploded all over this thread and then I realized it was just a bunch of liberal sh!t someone had spewed all over it.

The stench of fascist liberals is overwhelming! lol

Don| 8.24.09 @ 8:40PM

Toddard: I'd love to debate you publicly, but not go tit-for-tat with you over a website. I'll just say this: Guys like you make me sick. Self-rightious turd who thinks he's an intellectual talking down to a bunch of dumbasses. Won't waste any more of my typing on you but to say you're simply a turd.

TAUTRY| 8.24.09 @ 8:48PM

Wow, these post just once again enforce the notion that if you disagree with someone on the right, you are a nazi, pinko, marxist, leftist.... Go ahead, keep pushing the moderates away in droves.. This just means it will be a long time before you win any election in a state that isn't 51% Republican.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 8:50PM

"Won't waste any more of my typing on you but to say you're simply a turd."

Of course - I'm sure you *could* debate me - heck you'd "love to", but you're just not gonna waste your time. Otherwise - man oh man! - I'd be in for it.

Sorry, "Don". I've seen too many intellectually feeble would-be debaters chicken-out with that excuse to credit it. I think we both understand why you won't "waste your time", don't we?

Run along, now.

Don| 8.24.09 @ 8:57PM

Toddard, I will "run along, now" - no comma in that phrase, by the way - because I have a life, a family, and things to do. Just stopped by here. But I see you hang out here and apparently have nothing else to do. Gotta go.

Interloper| 8.24.09 @ 9:01PM

Another stupid comment by yet another dumb ass liberal--Moderates are swarming to the REPUBLICAN PARTY because of your fascist liberalism. Smarten up, fool!

Tom Human| 8.24.09 @ 9:02PM

I guess I feel really sorry for most of the posters here.

First and foremost, you should really learn what the words you use mean. Words like "fascist" and "socialism" actually have a meaning - they don't mean "bad naughty people".

Fascism means ultra-nationalism; strongly pro-military; very pro-corporation. Do you really mean to portray liberals this way?

Second, it's really sad that in 2009, you poor people are still gung-ho for the Iraq war.

We Liberals wanted to go after the people who were responsible for 9/11 - the Saudi Arabians. Bin Laden was Saudi Arabian; Al Qaeda is Saudi; 16 of 19 hijackers were (and none of them were from Iraq).

Saudi Arabia blew up the WTC the first time; Saudi Arabia attacked the USS Cole.

It's pretty clear that Bush was too damn scared to go after the Saudis and instead picked up and threw Iraq against the wall, a dictatorship only a little less horrible than the Saudis, precisely because he thought he could do it, not because any Iraqi had ever hurt any American.

Well, he screwed it up. Iraq's a tiny place. It had less military might than the state of California. Its GNP is less than some individual US corporations.

The US has the largest military in the world - but amazingly enough, W managed to fail to win in Iraq, spend hundreds of thousands of lives, trillions of dollars, trash the country, and really get nothing out of it.

That you poor losers are still all "Iraq! Great idea! Kill the ragheads!" would be funny if you weren't pulling the rest of the world down in your insanity.

Finally, 9/11 isn't about any of you. It's about us, NEW YORKERS. We, we LIBERALS were attacked. Your stupid military system that we pay for (your Red States don't pay your share of taxes) completely and utterly failed, and you people are such losers that you not one person lost their job over the largest failure in the history of the country. WE took the hit - and you big tough military guys completely screwed it up, from beginning to middle to end.

Bin Laden laughed at us, and he was right to, because the US Defense Department showed very clearly that they were completely incapable of defending the country - and completely incapable of taking the slightest responsibility for their failures.

Caleb| 8.24.09 @ 9:09PM

How paronoid must you righties be? It's just a holiday. You are obviously very afraid of Obama and liberals and general and believe that any and everything Obama does is a calculated effort to socialize America.

And you are guilty of the very thing your criticize 'liberals' about: whining. "Poor me...a republican...the entire media has turned against me...Obama has single-handedly convinced 30+ advertisers not to sell on Beck's program because these advertisers obviously don't have a mind of their own ...because of big bad Obama, nobody's gonna remember the true meaning of 9-11..." I'm not buying it, and 52% of the country, even when distressed about the economy and less in love with Obama than before, is not buying it.

One other thing you righties are guilty of: Hyprocricy. "It's ok to destory and re-build other nations, but socialist to renovate our own" "It's ok to ignore the Constitution when a Republican is in charge, but being sympathetic to reasonable gun control and equal marriage rights is unconstitutional" "it's ok to impeach a Pres because of lying about a blow job, but insenstive to hound fallen Repubs about their sexual and marital disgraces" The list goes on.

Patrick| 8.24.09 @ 9:11PM

"but gun control is what is called a "contributing factor" and none of the people on the ground (NYC and DC) would have been hurt had just a few passengers and/or crew on each of the 4 aircraft been armed. "

HAHAHAHA... this is the most amusing thing I have ever heard. Multiple armed people opening up inside fully fueled 767 airplanes with guns. Once again republicans outdo themselves in the lacks a brain category. If even one bullet had nicked a fuel tank (they are in the wing you know) or blew out the pressurized cabin they would of crashed.

Sue Storm| 8.24.09 @ 9:14PM

Wow...I've never been to this site before and I'll never come back, and you can be sure any other moderate in this country (the growing majority, btw) wouldn't either. The vitriol, disgusting words and blatant rage on this site are disturbing and scary. Calling the president a nazi, pinko, marxist, racist, etc, etc...because you don't agree with some of his policies? I think you people that are spewing this hate really need to take a good look at *why* you are so angry. What is it about this guy that boils your blood so much? I can understand not agreeing with policies, talking to your elected officials about their votes, peacefully demonstrating, everything that democracy is about. But to compare him to some of the worst dictators in modern history...monsters who slaughtered millions of people...how does that make your argument? How in any way are those things true? And for what...because he wants to make 9/11 a day of service, where we think about helping people? Why is that SO bad? Because he wants Americans to be able to go see a doctor? Why is that going to be the destruction of our country? It's so bizarre and truly scary how angry you people are. I hope some of you wake up - and I'm not saying that means AGREE with everything a Democratic president says, or for that matter, what a Republican president says - do some research, talk to people and *calm down* ! People who follow any one ideology, rather than examining each issue with thought, research and a bit of common sense, are ignorant whether they are Republican or Democrat.

Scion_of_crowd| 8.24.09 @ 9:17PM

>>Finally, 9/11 isn't about any of you. It's about us, NEW YORKERS.

TheDuke| 8.24.09 @ 9:21PM

There at it again, this guys whole adminstration should be impeached trying to dediscrate that day of all days. How could this guy who hates America so much be doing this all now to those. Gun laws will be repelled, abortion will become mandadtory, and queers will be able to marry other queers you mark my word this is coming next.

Lee| 8.24.09 @ 9:33PM

Why not "improve " on the Obama plan and take it back.
Go ahead and do something good for someone in memory of a specific victim or hero of 9/11. Then give that person a business card with the name of the person you are honoring with dates and time. Don't let the 9/11 victims and heroes be forgotton

j.doe| 8.24.09 @ 9:34PM

I am a liberal, and I voted for Obama, i support social change and more gun regulation I support a womans right to choose and gay marriage. I support a government funded health care system(even if i dont need it) I support pretty everything the right has a problem with. I am in my mid-twentys and for all intents and purposes support complete revolution in order to relieve this country of its fanatical right wing, puritanical pseudo-moral culture.
You all can spout your hate and half-truths until your blue in the face but the fact is that we have a democratically elected president, congress and house of reps. All of your blustering and propaganist bulls**t about communism and socialism and America losing its way and the founding fathers, blah blah blah, forget it. You should remember the phrase so many on the right were fond of using when address critics of Bush. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. the time has come for you all to eat those words. Thats right bitches, the worm has indeed turned and after eight years of guilt-free nonsense out of the white house there is a man who has taken a line of credibility, honesty and open discourse. you dont like, tough titties. Mccain lost, deal with it. the left protested and wrote articles about what a foul up bush was and we organized groups like moveon and were generally civil about our distaste for the administration, You all want to take this country back? I suggest you stop being such cry baby nutbags and try and fight the left on its own turf...with REASON and INTELLECT. No one will take you seriously if you scream and shout about "death panels" and Hitler. Being loud and crazy may get you attention but as any parent knows a temper tantrum never works. If you dont like the way Obama does things, you will get your chance to remove him in three years. Just think, We liberals had to wait through eights years of your crap.

i included an email address for anyone who wants write me, i welcome reading your inane ramblings, i may just repost them here if there good enough.

j.doe| 8.24.09 @ 9:34PM

I am a liberal, and I voted for Obama, i support social change and more gun regulation I support a womans right to choose and gay marriage. I support a government funded health care system(even if i dont need it) I support pretty everything the right has a problem with. I am in my mid-twentys and for all intents and purposes support complete revolution in order to relieve this country of its fanatical right wing, puritanical pseudo-moral culture.
You all can spout your hate and half-truths until your blue in the face but the fact is that we have a democratically elected president, congress and house of reps. All of your blustering and propaganist bulls**t about communism and socialism and America losing its way and the founding fathers, blah blah blah, forget it. You should remember the phrase so many on the right were fond of using when address critics of Bush. LOVE IT OR LEAVE IT. the time has come for you all to eat those words. Thats right bitches, the worm has indeed turned and after eight years of guilt-free nonsense out of the white house there is a man who has taken a line of credibility, honesty and open discourse. you dont like, tough titties. Mccain lost, deal with it. the left protested and wrote articles about what a foul up bush was and we organized groups like moveon and were generally civil about our distaste for the administration, You all want to take this country back? I suggest you stop being such cry baby nutbags and try and fight the left on its own turf...with REASON and INTELLECT. No one will take you seriously if you scream and shout about "death panels" and Hitler. Being loud and crazy may get you attention but as any parent knows a temper tantrum never works. If you dont like the way Obama does things, you will get your chance to remove him in three years. Just think, We liberals had to wait through eights years of your crap.

i included an email address for anyone who wants write me, i welcome reading your inane ramblings, i may just repost them here if there good enough.

Matthew Vadum| 8.24.09 @ 9:36PM

Nice try, Cam.

Too bad the comparison is not valid.

j.doe| 8.24.09 @ 9:36PM

i apologize, I clicked the button twice. and forgot my email. jdoe.4981@gmail.com

jessica| 8.24.09 @ 9:40PM

It is like trying to change the Fourth of July to say that the War for Independence did not take place. Our stimulus funds to these groups to turn America upside down and trample on our Constitution. The American public will not stand for this nonsense. 9/11 is seared into our psyche.

Steambadger| 8.24.09 @ 9:44PM

Toddard -- If I didn't have to clean my toenails right now, I would debate you; and my savage, devastating ripostes to your every feeble, commie-fascist point would leave you quivering like a pile of regurgitated jello, crying for your mommy and begging Rush to let you join the dittoheads.

But I do. Have to clean my toenails, I mean. So I don't have time to debate you, because of the toenails. Tell you what -- I'll just call you a poopy-head, and we'll take it as read that I've refuted all that stuff you said, and that you're crying and begging for mercy and so on, okay? Because that's what would happen, believe me, if I didn't have important business to attend to. Okay? Here we go:

You're a poopy-head.

Gotta go now, and clean my toenails.

Hungrycyclist| 8.24.09 @ 9:44PM

You people are a disgrace to America and an embarrassment to thinking literate humans everywhere.

Right wing idiots are killing America.

You people need to get you heads out of your assess and pay attention to something other than hate blogs, entertainment cable TV, and puffy faced drug addict radio hosts.

Kat| 8.24.09 @ 9:52PM

It's AMAZING to me that you people call yourselves Americans! After the past 8 yrs of sheer unbeleivable and unadulterated idiocy, we FINALLY have someone who's going to TRY and turn this country around and you all have to act like ignorant, racist rednecks. Holy crap, you idiots amaze me every day. Children are taught to share and get along in pre-school and daycare and kindergarten and then they get you as parents? No wonder we have such a hard time coming to some consensus in this country. WOW
j.doe.....You are what we need talking to Americans! Literate, educated.

Stunned| 8.24.09 @ 10:03PM

When I think of 9/11 I see people falling from the burning Towers, brave Firemen running to help save lives, bodies being carried out and an incredibly sad, sad day for this country, all because of Terrorists!!
Now its going to be a National Day of Service???? You have got to be kidding????

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:05PM

"We Liberals wanted to go after the people who were responsible for 9/11 - the Saudi Arabians. Bin Laden was Saudi Arabian; Al Qaeda is Saudi; 16 of 19 hijackers were (and none of them were from Iraq)."

And yet Barack Obama is still bogged down in Iraq, escalating the war in Afghanistan sans casus belli, continuing to outsource torture via rendition, continuing Bush's anti-constitutional domestic spying program and has turned himself into an accessory after the fact to the crimes of Bush's torture regime by refusing to prosecute all but the lowliest and most insignificant lawbreakers.

"That you poor losers are still all "Iraq! Great idea! Kill the ragheads!" would be funny if you weren't pulling the rest of the world down in your insanity."

Tell me - where have all the brave anti-war liberals gone? There are still two wars raging, and your president is escalating one of them. His hands are no less bloody. Afghanistan WAS the good war - when we were trying to capture Bin Laden and remove the Taliban from power. Bin Laden is gone and the Taliban scattered. What is being perpetrated now is a bloody-handed nation-building crusade, no more justifiable or honorable than the Iraq War.

"Finally, 9/11 isn't about any of you. It's about us, NEW YORKERS."

I'm sorry - that's simply not true. It was not an attack on the city of New York alone - it was an attack on the American political (the White House), financial (New York) and military (Pentagon) systems.

"We, we LIBERALS were attacked. Your stupid military system that we pay for (your Red States don't pay your share of taxes) completely and utterly failed"

New York is the financial capital of the United States and the corporations that own the U.S. Government and dictate its policies. Add to that the fact that the attacks were in retaliation to the liberal Wilsonian interventionism of the United States that has gone on unabated through both GOP and Democratic administrations since WWII and it becomes hard indeed to lay the blame for the policies that caused it on the redder portions of the electoral map. What happened was an atrocity and unjust in the extreme but it was a reaction (however unjustifiable, murderous, criminal and blatantly evil) to misguided policies that were Wilsonian in essence and were aided and abetted by corporations and media centered in New York - not in Montana.

Liberals profess to mistrust and fear the power of the federal gov't while at the same time arguing that its size and scope should be drastically increased, that more power and wealth be transferred to it from the people and the States, and that it be given greater control over our economy (and now our health-care). As a result of the centralization of power Liberals have been fighting for for nearly a century the federal government is now completely beyond our control, wielding arbitrary power, unrestrained by the Constitution and unanswerable to the people.

The un-constitutional power Neoconservatives wielded to such disastrous effect was consolidated and handed to them by Liberals. Indeed neoconservatism itself is a malignant form of Liberalism.

S.L. Toddard| 8.24.09 @ 10:08PM

"Tell you what -- I'll just call you a poopy-head, and we'll take it as read that I've refuted all that stuff you said, and that you're crying and begging for mercy and so on, okay?"

I can't afford NOT to take that offer. I'm in!

tobi| 8.24.09 @ 10:12PM

only fools will donate to this organisation,they re group of fools,morons

Steambadger| 8.24.09 @ 10:25PM

NATIONAL DAY OF SERVICE??? What kind of commie horsecrap is that? If only Barack Insane Hitlobama was a decent American like George W. Bush, who would never have called on Americans to observe 9/11 by remembering the dead and volunteering in their communities. No sir: George W. Bush, a good American patriot, instead called on Americans to "volunteer to help others and demonstrate the continuing compassion of our citizens." I trust all true patriots will see the difference, there.

Todd| 8.24.09 @ 10:31PM

Good comedy with all the ramblings from Obamabots. I especially enjoyed hungrycyclist calling right wingers a disgrace to literate humans everywhere but he doesn't even know how to spell asses (not assess). Like Tom Human, I feel sorry for most of the posters here but I guess he didn't notice most of the posters were lefties who want 9/11 to be a day where we can just forget about that "man-made disaster" and go serve some soup in a kitchen or something. We shouldn't need a special day to do community service and certainly not on 9/11. And how pathetic is j.doe giving out his email so he can enlighten us with his leftist drivel and the need for a complete revolution. He must be one of those morons who has a Che poster on his wall and has the motherjones bookmarked. I think I will pass on that thank you very much.

Rolo Tomassi| 8.24.09 @ 10:47PM

I remember all of you loud-mouthed, moronic rightwingers shouting down anyone who questioned your insane agenda during the eight years of BushCo insanity--but after studying the best info available, I came to agree with the assessment that the 9/11 conspiracy nuts truly were the "looney left."

Well, the nonsense you idiots spout on this site make the 9/11 conspiracy guys look like geniuses. The biggest mistake any non-rightwinger could ever make in the realm of politics is to think that any of you have anything to offer of value to any serious discussion. A truly liberal administration would ignore your idiocy and use your own self-centered methods against you.

I proudly stand far to the left in my views, and know beyond any doubt that not one of you posting here can hold your own in an intelligent, issue-driven debate--which is why your standard mode of operation is to shout down what you cannot factually dispute.

And while that other group that I despise--the wishy-washy centrists--are merely stupid, the blatantly absurd comments I've read here tonight confirm that you rightwingers have less common sense than the average $h*thouse rat.

make me laugh| 8.24.09 @ 10:54PM

statist idolatry? is that anything like saluting the flag? you right-wingers are truly retarded.

Hungrycyclist| 8.24.09 @ 10:56PM

You right wingnuts are hilarious. Seriously. Absolutely a riot. Kinda sad though, in a way. America really does suffer your foolishness.

Your parents failed you. I can only hope that you in turn, fail your kids as well. Home school your children and indoctrinate them with the inane foolishness that is the icon of the ignorant right. Please.

America will be a better place when the right wings failures and failed policies are vanquished to dismal bastions of hate, intolerance and backwardness that right wingers relish with such glee.

Please, corrupt and indoctrinate you kids with your ignorance and hate.

Do it for Liberal America. We are counting on you to keep the tradition alive.

hungrycyclist

babs| 8.24.09 @ 11:03PM

The national treasure day will be the day that socialist onk packs up his pork chops and leaves the White House..cha ching..

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:04PM

"To Dave Lincoln: How do you know that if passengers were allowed to carry guns that "none of the people on the ground would have been hurt if just a few passengers and/or crew on each of the 4 aircraft been armed. Being a gun carrier doesn't mean you know how to use one."

Yes, it does, Lauri, with the occasional exception of some rent-a-cops. If you own a firearm, like many Americans, you learn how to use it (unless you are purely a collector.)

I am responding now only because I missed your post among the left-wing trash files.

jdoe| 8.24.09 @ 11:06PM

Re: Todd. I do not in fact have any Che paraphernalia. Or read mother jones unless there is a specific article that interests me(which is rarely). I posted an email for anyone who felt like commenting with having to use such a public forum to have an argument. this isn't 4chan. And further more, I am not attempting to "enlighten" anyone, my case is straight forward and simple to understand, the is a democratic country, we have a democratically elected president, sucks for you but thems the rules. If you bothered to read my post I wasn't trying to espouse liberal ideas, I am allowed my opinions as much as you, i was just pointing out that conservatives were defeated in an election that they deservedly lost after eight years of recklessness in the highest offices in our country and offered a few words on how not to come off like a batshit crazy fanatic. I believe we can all get together and talk about the issues confronting our nation but cannot do so with people on the right taking such hard lines on basic issues of civil rights and the right to health care without being nickel and dimed into the poor house. This is not 1955 anymore, segregation is over and we have a black president. It's time to wake up and grow up and realize that this is not the "same" America that you or even I grew up in. I may be a liberal but i do not follow Obama blindly and am not a huge fan so far. but you gotta roll with the punches. extremism of any kind is dangerous.

Todd| 8.24.09 @ 11:09PM

Did you guys see the latest poll? Obama is now at -14, must be all those racist people listening to Limbaugh I guess LOL. Like those racist showing up in Arizona with guns, never mind the fact that he was actually a black man but with some careful editing, no one needs to know that. That is MSNBC for you, wouldn't want to let the facts get in the way of some good old propaganda would they? Barely half a year in and he has already failed because he doesn't have a damn clue on how to lead anything and Harry "The War is lost" Reid and Nazi Pelosi sure are not going to win any popularity contests.

Floyd S MacGillicutty| 8.24.09 @ 11:12PM

Stunned, let me help you out a little:

"When I think of 9/11 I see people [New Yorkers jumping] from the burning Towers, brave [New York] Firemen running to help save [fellow New Yorkers] , bodies being carried out and an incredibly sad, sad day for this country, all because of Terrorists!!
Now its going to be a National Day of Service???? You have got to be kidding????"

Hmm, I say we ask the families of the victims and the firefighter's union what they think, since they were effected in a more profound way than any of you armchair patriots will ever be.

Oh wait, we did. They've been asking for this exact thing since 2003.

Could someone please explain to me how a day of helping others is considered a bad thing? I mean, we honor Jesus Christ by going out and buying a bunch of mostly useless crap (on the wrong day, I might add), so surely this is a little more constructive, no?

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:12PM

"Finally, 9/11 isn't about any of you. It's about us, NEW YORKERS." Ha, how could I miss that gem of a comment.

You New Yorkers (the city ones, not the good people in the upstate) are gun-control freaks. Your current mayor is a gun-control freak. I could never speak ill against every one of the varied people who got killed and maimed that day. However, as a city, you may have got some karma you had coming that day. As I said way up top, besides the hands of those 19 muslim freaks, there is also blood on the hands of the gun-control freaks.

A small bit of self-defense on each one of those aircraft against BOX CUTTERS would have saved the people of NYC and the Pentagon. Oh, and it may have saved most of the lives in the air too.

But, no, we better be on the safe side and be all politically correct here - guns are hateful, see, just detestable. They will jump out of the safe or from under that mattress and start a killing spree, sure as I'm sitting here, eating my granola and reading the NY Times.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 11:12PM

"extremism of any kind is dangerous"

precisely...and that is what we are experiencing under the Joker Messiah. Hence the push-back and the precipitous fall in the polls. Change I can believe in.

Dean| 8.24.09 @ 11:16PM

"Obama is now at -14" do you understand polls or math in general. it really is all about fudging the numbers with you people. if your going to post results you should at least post your sources. but i am guessing where ever you got that from doesnt actually say what you think it does, probably just the opposite but you dont have a problem with misrepresenting the facts in your favor. stop drinking the kool-aid.

Steambadger| 8.24.09 @ 11:20PM

"A small bit of self-defense on each one of those aircraft against BOX CUTTERS would have saved the people of NYC and the Pentagon."

Had passengers been allowed to fly strapped on 9/11, I sincerely doubt the terrorists would have been armed with box cutters.

Dean| 8.24.09 @ 11:24PM

to Pete,
Comparing the extremism of Betsy Mccaughey, and Rush Limbaugh and Sarah Palin among some of the other more outspoken conservatives to anything Obama campaigned on or has tried to enact in office shows how mislead you have allowed yourself to become as a loudspeaker of the floating head pundits on tv and the unchecked nonsensical hate speech spewing from radios.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 11:35PM

to Dean,
I have never heard of Betsy, and have caught Limbaugh's program fewer than a half dozen times only while driving long distances. Palin did everyone a service by calling out one of many dangerous features of yet another recent government takeover attempt. Loudspeaker is an odd choice of words given the overwhelming noise coming from the liberal media on its knees in front of Osama. To get a hint of truth in the media these days, you have to seach long and hard. Apparently, based on the polls, many are beginning to seek the truth that so many in the media are trying desperately to hide. This gives me "hope." Think for yourself for a "change" and try not to rely on what your unionized teachers drilled into you.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:39PM

"Had passengers been allowed to fly strapped on 9/11, I sincerely doubt the terrorists would have been armed with box cutters. "

Absolutely agreed, Steambadger. But really, I doubt that they'd have even tried in that case. They didn't take over the planes as a normal hijacking - you know that, I hope. Their purpose was to use the planes as guided missiles. They were successful due to the fact that no one on any of the 4 planes had any self-defense weapons available.

If a handful of passengers had been carrying, the worst case could have been 4 bad air disasters due to shoot-outs in the sky. Yes, in that case, it would have still been the worst day in aviation since Tenerife or Lockerbie (well, worse for the insurance guys due to 4 hulls lost). Somehow, I think the NY'ers would have been better off, don't you?

In the best case, it could have resulted in a few deaths and some injuries on board the 4 airliners, emergency landings, and some good lessons learned.

Dave Lincoln| 8.24.09 @ 11:42PM

""Obama is now at -14" do you understand polls or math in general. it really is all about fudging the numbers with you people...."

I think he is referring to a Rasmussen poll showing 27 % strong approval (40% of which is black people just plain approving of a black president come hell or high water) and 41 % strong disapproval. That's the poll I am thinking of, though I will admit the only poll that matters is at the election booth (outside of the Chicago area).

Dean| 8.24.09 @ 11:43PM

to Pete,
There's that winning Me First attitude, this is a nation of,for and by the people. this horrible "whats in it for me?" way of thinking is exactly whats wrong with American politics, culture and social values. We won our independence fighting for the rights of all.

Todd| 8.24.09 @ 11:44PM

Good news for you Dean, he is up to -12 now, -14 was from yesterday so things are looking up! Here is my source, maybe you have heard of them.
http://www.rasmussenreports.co.....cking_poll
Is the math too complicated for you to figure out? Basically 12% more of people think he is doing a horrible job compared to those who think he is doing swell like you. The Emperor has got no clothes as is becoming more apparent everyday.

killdemos| 8.24.09 @ 11:49PM

please kill a scum illegal or democrat now. kill them.

Pete| 8.24.09 @ 11:52PM

To Dean,
Exactly, but clearly where we differ is on what is a "right." Healthcare, for example, is not a right. "What's in it for me" is what we are experiencing now in spades - what can I vote for myself from others that I didn't earn? Hardly what our founders envisioned. Personal freedom, personal responsibility, etc...try it, you'll feel better about yourself.

Deborah| 8.24.09 @ 11:52PM

This has NOTHING to do with 9/11
The Edward M. Kennedy Serve America Act (H.R. 1388):

Creates 175,000 New Service Opportunities and Rewards Americans for Commitment

Grows the number of volunteers nationwide to 250,000, up from 75,000. These new service opportunities will include the expansion of existing service programs, like AmeriCorps, as well as four new service corps focused on education, health care, energy and veterans. All service programs established under the bill will be overseen by the Corporation for National and Community Service.
Increases the full-time education award service members receive in exchange for their work to $5,350 for 2010. This award would also be linked to match future increases in the Pell Grant scholarship in order to keep up with rising college costs.
Creates New Service Corps to Meet Key Needs in Low-Income Communities

Establishes four new service corps to address key needs in low income communities, including a Clean Energy Corps to encourage energy efficiency and conservation, an Education Corps to help increase student engagement, achievement and graduation, a Healthy Futures Corps to improve health care access, and a Veterans Service Corps to enhance services for veterans.
Provides Incentives for Middle and High School Students to Engage in Service

Establishes the Summer of Service program that engages middle and high school students in volunteer activities in their communities and allows them to earn a $500 education award to be used for college costs. Students will be eligible to participate in two terms of service and earn up to a total of $1,000.
Makes High School Students Part of Solution to Challenges in their Communities

Establishes Youth Engagement Zones, a new service-learning program to engage low-income high school students and out-of-school youth in volunteer efforts that address challenges in their local communities. The program will encourage partnerships between community-based organizations and schools in high-need communities and apply real world activities to teach students about a certain topic. For example, volunteering in a homeless shelter could supplement a class about poverty.
Boosts Opportunities for Disadvantaged and Foster Youth and Native Americans

Expands opportunities for disadvantaged youth, including doubling the resources available to engage youth with disabilities, to become more involved with service and offers people of all ages and those from diverse backgrounds introduction to service.
Encourages adults to serve as mentors for foster youth.
Establishes a new office for service opportunities for Native Americans.
Strengthens Disaster Relief Service Efforts

Expands the focus of the National Civilian Community Corps (NCCC) to include disaster relief, infrastructure improvement, environmental and energy conservation, and urban and rural development.
Encourages service partnerships with other federal agencies and increases the participation of disadvantaged youth to 50 percent of program participants by 2011.
Establishes an Alumni Reserve to Respond in Emergencies

Establishes an alumni corps of former participants who can be called to service during times of disaster and other emergencies.
Bolsters America’s Competitiveness

Encourages scientists, technicians and mathematicians to participate in service programs to help keep our nation competitive.
Expands Service Opportunities for Older Americans and Public-Private Partnerships

Creates two new fellowships to engage social entrepreneurs, boomers and retirees, the private sector and Americans from all generations into service. Older Americans will be allowed to transfer their awards to a child, foster child or grandchild to help them pay for college.
ServeAmerica Fellowships: ServeAmerica Fellows are individuals who propose their own plans for serving in their communities to address national needs and are matched up with a service sponsor.
Silver Scholarships and Encore Fellowships: These programs offer Americans, age 55 or older, post-career service opportunities as well as entrance into new careers in the public or nonprofit sector. Silver Scholars will be able to earn up to $1,000 in exchange for 350 hours of service.
Creates a nationwide community-based infrastructure to leverage investments in service

Builds a nationwide service infrastructure through community-building investments, social entrepreneurship, and programs to support and generate new volunteers.
Community Solutions Fund: Creates a Community Solutions Fund pilot program that awards competitive matching grants to social entrepreneur venture funds in order to provide community organizations with the resources to replicate or expand proven solutions to community challenges, including a new focus on leveraging public private partnerships in small communities and rural areas. (Examples of service organizations that were launched by social entrepreneurs include Teach for America, City Year, Citizen Schools, Jump Start, Working Today, an organization that provides affordable, portable health benefits to 100,000 Americans, and the SEED school, the nation’s first public urban boarding school.)
Volunteer Generation Fund: Provides grants to improve the quality and capacity of organizations to work with volunteers, and to create innovations in volunteerism in the areas of recruitment, training and management.
Encourages Highly Skilled Professionals to Help Improve Global Health

Expands the Volunteers for Prosperity program which encourages highly skilled professionals to serve internationally in targeted areas of need such as global health.
Establishes Call to Service Campaigns

Includes a Call to Service Campaign to launch a national campaign encouraging all Americans to engage in service and to observe September 11th as a National Day of Service and Remembrance
Recognizes and Supports Colleges and Universities Engaged in Service

Establishes the Campuses of Service to support and recognize institutions of higher education with exemplary service-learning programs and assists students in the pursuit of public service careers.

Jan Peeples| 8.24.09 @ 11:56PM

Looking back on all the news, Bushes Speech, the patritotic hype and our losso of precious freedoms and liberities that have until recently been the backbone of our Country. Watching the three towers fall straight down you would have to ne an absolute fool to beleive that 911 wasn't an inside job. Real Patriots would run every fool in Washington out of power and take back what used to be America. Imstead you spout sensless crap about left and right. Why are to blind to see WRONG ?

Nobama| 8.24.09 @ 11:57PM

Hey, Dean; it's Rasmussen's poll. Obama's -14 is the differential between his favorables and his negatives. Getting the picture yet? His negatives are running 14 points higher than his favorables. Doesn't look like good news for Obummer and you libtards.

Democrats in congress are stinkin' the place up even more.

Oh, these numbers aren't "fudged" as you hope; your Nobama is tanking in almost all of the polls.

See you in 2010, a$$holes.

Yosemite Sam| 8.24.09 @ 11:58PM

These L-people are waltzing their way into
a Grizzly bear den of 911 mourners.

Let the fur fly!

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 12:01AM

Dave beat me to the punch but do tell me Dean, how does that kool-aid taste because I have not had any lately? Isn't it horrible that we think we can spend our own money from the fruits of our own labors better than how Obama thinks it should be redistributed? I mean how it Acorn going to make sure Obama gets enough votes in 2012 unless they get billions of taxpayer dollars to do so? We also need a national civilian force just as well funded as our military, kinda of like Stalin with the KGB or Hitler's Brownshirts to make sure those "right-wing extremists" are not spreading lies about our Dear Leader. I am sure they would be much nicer though, just there to keep things on the up and up.

Jeremiah| 8.25.09 @ 12:01AM

Jan, you win the big STUPID prize. They were the TWIN towers not TRIPLE towers. Dumb crackhead.

The idiocy of so many Americans makes me weep for my country.

Dean| 8.25.09 @ 12:06AM

right, i'll give you that one, i will refer you to an earlier post about my personal thoughts on our pres. "I may be a liberal but i do not follow Obama blindly and am not a huge fan so far."
while i dont think we'll ever agree on this, I do feel Obamas approval is falling due to two things: his attempting to be bipartisan and in so appearing to lose his nerve on hard issues like the economy and health care(especially for dems). and two, the amount of misinformation and distraction created by the media and people who strongly oppose his programs. He walked into a mess with the economy and hasnt done much to help it, but have you all forgotten Bush got the initial bailouts through(after allowing markets to go unchecked for years) and left office with the new guy to take the fall when it didnt work. F- it i am done with this. it's been fun.

LIBERAL READER'S APOLOGY| 8.25.09 @ 12:11AM

Please forgive the liberal azzhats who've besmirched your charming website today. They're bored waiting around for their welfare/ACORN checks.

Most of them don't work and live in their mommy's basement with their computer and bong.

They are poorly educated, irrational and don't know their butts from a hole in the ground. Losers all.

Steambadger| 8.25.09 @ 12:11AM

"They didn't take over the planes as a normal hijacking - you know that, I hope."

I know that -- but the passengers didn't. If they had, they likely would have overpowered the terrorists; as the good folks on United Flight 93 did, once they learned what the situation was. The passengers on the other planes didn't do not because they were outgunned, but because they were expecting to land at some backwater airport and sit on the tarmac for a few hours waiting for the government of Pottsylvania to release somebody's cousin Abdul or, at worst, for a SWAT team to rush the plane. The hijackings might not have happened at all had guns been a factor (and something else, more or less lethal, more or less successful, might have); but if they had, it's a sure bet the terrorists would have been armed. The armed passengers probably wouldn't have risked a confrontation with the armed hijackers, for exactly the same reason the unarmed passengers didn't attack the barely-armed hijackers -- given the history of airplane hijacking, it didn't seem like the percentage move. You'll note that, although passengers are STILL not allowed to carry on commercial aircraft, there is at present absolutely no chance that anyone could succeed in hijacking an airplace with box cutters.

Joe K~| 8.25.09 @ 12:11AM

Re: Lennox Yearwood: "He earned his undergraduate degree from University of the District of Columbia in 1998 and was awarded a M.Div. degree from Howard University in May 2002."
From Wikipedia. Not really authoritative, but unless you have some evidence that he does NOT have a Master's of Divinity, to say that he '...uses the honorific "Reverend" before his name' is disingenuous and [mis]leading. He is entitled to use the honorific even if you disagree with his race and/or politics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lennox_Yearwood

Pete| 8.25.09 @ 12:15AM

Calling Osama "bipartisan" in any way is a joke. The horrible truth is that he can push through whatever he wants to - he has the votes based on party affiliation. That is the power of the current push-back on healthcare: even his own party won't blindly go along since it is political suicide to run afoul of those who voted you into office. As for the economy, as much as Bush stupidly bowed to congress in his final hour, Osama has made things exponentially worse by going on a pork spending spree. I feel bad for anyone who trusts this guy farther than they can throw him. He is allowed to get away with lie after blatant lie because of the liberal media's infatuation with him. It cannot last and we are finally starting to see some cracks in the dam. This is a good thing. Time for sleep.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 12:16AM

Thanks Deborah for all the great info about the Edward Kennedy Serve America Act! We all know he is all about serving the community and making sure all bridges have proper guardrails (a good use of stimulus funds) just in case you had a few drinks when driving late at night. A very good swimmer like his brother Jack as well.
Sounds like a hell of alot more money to expand the government and brainwash students into working for the government instead of those terrible for profit companies. Remind me where they get the money for all of these wonderful government programs? Whats another trillion or two right? Utopia is so close but those greedy right wingers just ruin it for everyone by asking where the money will come from and that pesky deficit.

Nobama| 8.25.09 @ 12:16AM

Liberal brain dead rant: "Blah, blah Bush did it! Blah, it's Bush's fault, Blah. It's not libs fault ever!

You nauseate us! Grow up and grow a pair, liberal losers.

Blah, blah, screw you libtards, blah.

PH| 8.25.09 @ 12:21AM

This only stacks the stakes higher that Obama is NOT an American!
He even said way back in the 1990's that he was anti-american. I mean, why on earth would you put a man in office who won't even pledge to the country's flag? He even had American Flag burning ceremonies.
Think about it people. Would you pledge to another country's flag? NO! And neither did he!
Do you know that he even told the people in Kenya that "When I become President of the United States, I will make sure that you are well taken care of". This was seen live on a Muslim TV channel.

Steambadger| 8.25.09 @ 12:22AM

Jeremiah, Jan is most likely referring to 7 World Trade Center, a smaller building in the complex which collapsed later in the day, and is a key point in Troofer mythology. Doesn't mean Jan is not a nut; but there WERE three towers.

Jeremiah| 8.25.09 @ 12:48AM

Nice of you to give brainless Jan the benefit of the doubt, Badger; but I'm bettin' dollars to donuts that the libtard saw THREE Trade Towers go down in that crack fevered lib brain of hers.

I still weep for my country.

PH| 8.25.09 @ 12:50AM

I will withdraw my comment about Obama and the Flag issue, because I have been reading and it appears that this might have been a made up story.
BUT, I will say that with all that Obama is doing, he makes the story believable.
Bowing to another leader of another country, promising another country to make sure that they are taken care of, PAYING hundreds of thousands of dollars to HIDE ALL of his records from birth to present so that no one sees the real him, want me to go on...?
What other conclusion can you come up with on the story? Let the evidence speak for itself!

exdemimsadtoseigh| 8.25.09 @ 1:22AM

This comes as no surprise to me at all. Anyone who has read BHO's soporific books and heard his spiritual mentor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, should know where this man and his minions are coming from. The news media decided to talk about Hillary Clinton's pantsuits and escaping sniper fire and Sarah Palin's reproductive habits and poor old John McCain's advanced years. But not one word about all the egregious things there were to find out about Barry. Liberal white guilt? The triumph of marketing? The whole packaging of Obama as Joe Cool made it safe for liberals, who infest the lion's share of our national media, to come out of the closet. Some of the stuff I have seen on CNN and NBC and its sister networks boggles my mind. Commentary so far over the edge, masquerading as actual news, that it should have led to a few firings, but never made a blip on the radar screen of the news media universe. Fox News surely has a center-right tilt, but you do hear both sides on most of their programs. Even the most contentious ones like O'Reilly, Hannity and Glenn Beck.

Speaking of Glenn Beck, I think people are missing what really set off the nuts at C.O.C. (Wouldn't you know it, even a left-wing organization's initials are profane.) Check the archives of his show and look for a segment of Glenn and Linda Chavez talking about the global warming stuff and the connection to a particular type of redistributive scheme that couldn't pass muster if called by its actual name. And I think Glenn and Linda are onto something there. If true it would cause huge social problems and make for some very ugly times in America. When you punish large segments of society, many who are poor or struggling, with burdens that cap-and-tax would place on the average wage-earner and essentially redistribute it to some or the other favored group because of past grievance, you are setting up a situation that will engender divisions along racial and ethnic lines for a long time to come. While this would hasten the Democrats' well-deserved destruction among the majority of American voters, there has to be another way. Of course Dems always end up back in the crapper politically. They just can't help themselves when trusted with power. They are truly dangerous. Over-reach and arrogance and elitism has already done them serious damage. All of them have lived down to my expectations. So predictable. I have a close Dem friend who is so disappointed. He was a Clinton voter who held his nose and voted for BHO and now regrets it. He seems genuinely surprised that the current crop are not of the DLC ilk they campaigned as last fall. Funny, but they all made sure that the closest thing the Dems had to a viable moderate Democrat didn't get the nomination or the veep slot. And they seem to be tying her hands now at State. She ain't my favorite politician, but damned if I wouldn't rather it be Hillary Clinton if had to be a Dem. Say whatever you like, but even as a Republican I can admit that Bill was effective and did a pretty decent job. Hell, he was the only successful Dem in the White House in the last 60 years. I don't want to see him as President again, but almost anyone would be better than what we have now. Though I don't often admit it, I voted for Slick Willy in 1996. The next three elections I had no temptation to vote Democrat. Many among our conservative brethren spent years hating the Clintons, but lurking underneath was something much worse. And now that something much worse is in control, at least until the next election cycles. This regime is the culmination of the dreams of the 1960's New Left. All those years hasn't made the prospect of the inmates running the asylum any less frightening.

Marc Jeric| 8.25.09 @ 1:38AM

Comrade Toddard must be a member of one of the ACORN local soviets, charged with responses to normal Americans. Abu Hussein from Kenya pays them $16/hr from his stimulus bill.

Reality| 8.25.09 @ 1:43AM

Hey, what happened to the real killer of this stupid article... that Bush himself started this whole idea of a day of service on 9/11 as a way of honoring those who fell, and that it was something the 9/11 families themselves had asked for? That should have put an end to this whole "discussion". Funny how that got buried almost immediately on this stupid blog. Oh, but in reality this is not a discussion or an exchange of ideas; it is simply a bunch of stupid fools yelling at each other to see who will "win" while our country goes down the crapper with all this stupid fighting (the operative word here is "stupid"). This is exactly what will destroy this country... we don't need terrorists to do it for us... they CANNOT do it militarily... they stir the soup a bit and just sit back and watch us self-destruct. Man, I bet they just laugh their asses off. And based on the vast majority of what I read on this blog, we will get exactly what we deserve. Idiots. Unfortunately you will drag me and my children down too. Thanks a lot. I can only hope and pray (and yes, I do pray) that more reasonable, balanced and intelligent people will prevail. But I hold out slim hope for that if this blog is any representation.

Shoshanna| 8.25.09 @ 1:46AM

Every time I'm convinced that I couldn't possibly become more disgusted and revolted by that vile thug in the White House, he manages to prove me wrong yet again. But, even for him, this is an unimaginable low.

Reality| 8.25.09 @ 2:14AM

So Shoshanna, you must be referring to the past President, since it was his idea in the first place?

http://www.nationalservice.gov.....pr_id=1132

Or didn't you read this? Any comment? Vile thug? Or what, now that does not apply?

All I have ever asked from any of my conservative and liberal friends is that they be willing to call bullshit wherever bullshit is. If we can all agree to do that regardless of party (and be able to back it up with REAL facts) then we will be able to work together to solve the problems of this country. So long as we continue to be concerned about "winning and being right" and not about creating real solutions to our problems we will fall and this country will become yet another failed nation in a history of failed nations this world has seen over and over.

If you want to be a true patriot, forget political party and start fighting for equal rights, balanced taxation, quality of life (like available healthcare), a safe and sustainable environment, and freedom and justice for ALL.

Or just keep fighting...

Patriot| 8.25.09 @ 2:42AM

Reality sounds like Stalin Jr. to me. Sweet sounding platitudes backed up by the iron fists of Union goons and ACORN thugs.

I guess we will just keep fighting, Josef.

Gerry Ashley| 8.25.09 @ 2:44AM

While there are plenty of legitimate reasons to want to see President Obama be a one-term President, this is not one of them. And you do a HUGE disservice to those of us working hard to expose the LEGITIMATE attempts by Obama to destroy the free-enterprise system and democracy that has worked so well for so long when you MISREPRESENT this program the way you do here.

First, you have intentionally left off the words "And Remembrance" from the full name of the designated day. It is called "The National Day of Service AND REMEMBRANCE." The two themes are tied in to each other directly. And it's a damn shame you have intentionally misrepresented it as simply "Day of Service" as if the intent is to "flush 9/11 down the memory hole" (your exact words). In doing so, you spit in the face of Jay Winuk, Vice President of the 922 Day of National Service and Remembrance who also lost his brother in 911.

As a conservative with PLENTY of LEGITIMATE reasons to want to rid America of ALL traces of the Obama administration made up of tax cheats and thugs, I must take a stand for honesty and condemn your twisting of the truth by omission. We don't need bullcrap propaganda when we have the TRUTH in our favor.

Stop being lazy and DO YOUR GOD DAMN JOB HONESTLY of digging for the truth. You won't find it in THIS article and if I were your boss, you'd be FIRED for such gross negligence.

Writing for this blog is an HONOR... one you disgrace by taking words out of context. WE DON'T NEED TO DO THAT! The TRUTH is there if you dig for the facts.

You're an embarassment to those of us who work hard to uncover and EXPOSE the truth about Obama.

LJC| 8.25.09 @ 3:03AM

Maybe there were 3 towers, if you count the Marriott hotel that got crushed when the 2 big ones fell on it. I knew a guy who got killed as he was trying to get people out of the hotel. And he was not from New York. As for going out on 9-11 to do nice things, I have yet to hear the media in its celebration of Woodstock ever mention if any muddy souls from there made a rush to Mississippi to help anyone after Hurricane Camille. Oh yes--Teddy the swimmer did not actually drive off the bridge; he drove down the bank right next to the bridge.

Sebastian Woof| 8.25.09 @ 3:47AM

FDR used the theme/song "Happy Days are Here Again" for his election campaign.

Why not update the lyrics in the
Spirit of CHANGE to:
> Carter days are here again
> America's in low gear again
> A pres that's out of gear again
> Crappy days are here again
woof woof

BOBO| 8.25.09 @ 3:57AM

Fu*k the Democrats
Fuc* the Republicans
And fuck all the bleating and blind sheep that enable these treasonous bastards.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 4:04AM

"The armed passengers probably wouldn't have risked a confrontation with the armed hijackers, for exactly the same reason the unarmed passengers didn't attack the barely-armed hijackers -- given the history of airplane hijacking, it didn't seem like the percentage move."

Here's where I disagree with you. Yes, there was an element of surprise. Who would have known in the beginning that this was not simply a matter of guys wanting to make ransom money get a free ride to who-knows-where? I also know that in those days, people who ran security at the airlines forced crewmembers to go with the delay-delay mindset with no fighting back.

However, Steambadger, once you see the guys start to take over the plane you've gotta do something. No one in his right mind who was carrying a weapon would have just watched the events unfold all the way. People on flight 93 had additional information, so obviously they knew this was a do-or-die anyway situation. Of course, they all died, as we know, due to the lack of defensive weapons by anyone aboard.

"You'll note that, although passengers are STILL not allowed to carry on commercial aircraft, there is at present absolutely no chance that anyone could succeed in hijacking an airplace with box cutters." That's right, and your point there is, what now??? Nowadays, they would need guns and tear gas. All of this can readily be available inside of any airport, TSA or no TSA. How? You ever wonder how much the guys on the ramp get paid? You figure everyone of those guys got a super-terrific 20-year background check by the FBI? Huh? I got a used 727 to sell you in that case (it's only been in one hijacking and one very small crash).

The bad guys will always have the weapons, Steambadger. You seem pretty intelligent, so I wonder if you will agree with at least that. So, if that's the case, the good guys cannot be constrained by BS laws and an asinine Fed. Gov't if we are to stop future incidents.

No, I don't think any future aviation-type incidents will involve a direct hi-jacking anyway. But, how do any of the plots get foiled? Almost always, it has been by good detective work, by real cops, FBI-types, etc. not 10,000 uniformed people standing around bored searching every single soul to walk into the aiport. That is just a show, and I don't like paying for it and being a part of an unconstitutional search (yes, unreasonable, because there is no specific "reason" for a search of my stuff).

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 4:07AM

Great post at 8.24.09 @ 8:26PM, Mr. Toddard. I didn't find it before due to all the nitwits (both sides) ;-(

Sue| 8.25.09 @ 4:14AM

Deborah: Sounds like "looting of the Treasury" to me. None of this is Constitutional or desired. The only thing in it is a complete waste of taxpayer money to build an infrastructure of power.

I'm ashamed of this kind of activity. Dictated from our government to its "free" citizens.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 4:14AM

HAHAHAHA... this is the most amusing thing I have ever heard. Multiple armed people opening up inside fully fueled 767 airplanes with guns. Once again republicans outdo themselves in the lacks a brain category. If even one bullet had nicked a fuel tank (they are in the wing you know) or blew out the pressurized cabin they would of crashed. "

Another nitwit heard from. Patrick, do you know what a crack-resistant structure is? Neither are the fuel tanks all plumbed together as one, as that would be bad in the case of any leak. You don't know about airplane structures, so STFU about that.

If you are afraid of a gunfight breaking out in an aircraft cabin (an admittedly bad thing) maybe you should not travel so much. Go live in NYC for that matter in the World Trade Center, where they have a big gun-control policy.

(Oh, as a sidelight, it probably wouldn't take a shoot-out, as I don't think the 9/11 muslims would have even tried what they tried if they were among non-defenseless Americans. This is the same on the ground - it has been estimated that 2 million crimes per year are averted due to defensive weapons, yet most of the time, the weapon is not used and not even pointed at anyone.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 4:15AM

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Shoshanna| 8.25.09 @ 4:30AM

Am I supposed to be hearing the national anthem playing in the background? Sorry, but I'm not impressed with leftist softsoap. I care about the future and I care about freedom, and I thoroughly believe that Obama is the greatest threat to both that this country has ever known.

The primary difference between Obama and Bush is that while Bush was an appallingly inept but fundamentally well-meaning incompetent who had some father issues to work out and was in way over his head, Obama is an intently focused, agenda-driven individual who was trained by those who believed that communism was the democracy of the future, that it would create a "better America". and that those who opposed it were guilty of treason. After a year and a half of watching and listening, I've no doubt at all that this is at the core of his beliefs, and that he's determined to destroy everything that America was ever intended to be.

Due to the slobbering infatuation of the media and the leftists, who spent months quivering on the threshold of orgasmic ecstasy at the idea of a black president, and doing a bang up job of convincing the sheep-like populace that this was all the reason necessary to elect him (heaven forbid that anyone listen to what he was actually saying!), we now have in office a very smart, very determined thug out of the Chicago machine who has been moving with breathtaking speed to dismantle our country with the goal of remaking it as a socialist society in which, if people are miserable, then at least they'll all be EQUALLY miserable.

He's dangerous as hell, and with nothing in the way to stop him from rolling his agenda through both houses of Congress, it seems very likely that he'll get exactly what he wants-- a political system that's already been proven an abject failure everywhere it's been tried.

Instead of reading the occasional press release and taking from it whatever bits that serve your preexisting views, I suggest you try reading some history-- with particular attention to Germany from the late 1920s through the '30s. The parallels with Obama's actions and intentions are chilling-- including the modern-day brownshirts so intent on intimidating and silencing those who speak out against his plans.

Barring a miracle, this country is headed for disaster. As someone who has quite contentedly lived abroad, I'm more than ready to become a permanent ex-pat-- and I'm far from alone. In light of the fact that one hundred years ago and more, people seeking freedom and economic opportunity flooded into this country, it seems incredibly ironic that in the very near future that flood may well reverse direction, and that those who believe in the rights, the merits, the achievements, and the potential of the individual rather than in the supremacy of the state will once again be seeking that same freedom and those same economic opportunities-- but elsewhere.

Oh, and by the way-- Bush, for all his flaws and shortcomings (which were legion), never sought to deny or minimize the nightmare of 9/11, nor to dismiss as irrelevant the heartbreaking pain, loss, and suffering brought about by that tragic and terrible day. For Obama, 9/11 is simply history demanding a rewrite in the interest of political gain.

I stand by my previous post. Doubled.

joeyess| 8.25.09 @ 5:32AM

Because no one can improve perfection, I'll leave this one up to Tbogg:

It takes a big man (with a small brain) to come out and admit that Republicans find some sort of "advantage" in owning the anniversary of the day when 2800 people were killed on American soil while on their watch.

Pat Spooner| 8.25.09 @ 6:05AM

While I strongly agree with the fact that 9/11 will always be remebered as a day of great saddness at the tremendous loss of life of our fellow conuntrymen and women, this plan of the obamamaniacs is a wonderful opportunity for real Americnas to remember and to act - another reminder to thank those who really have and do protect us and this great Country and another reminder for all United States citizens to vote the liberals out of office at every opportunity!

Michele San Pietro| 8.25.09 @ 6:18AM

It's incredible how the so-called liberals constantly reveal their nature of intolerant and undemocratic people.

Tom Fay| 8.25.09 @ 7:20AM

Dave lincoln: You've got it right about guns preventing violence (I once had to pull one), but you're a little weak on aircraft systems & structures yourself. The fuselage structure in a modern jet has all kinds of doublers, antitear straps and other measures to keep a catastrophic failure from taking place from a few bullet holes.

And the fuel tanks aren't just some empty cavities in the wings. They're very tough, rubber bags, called cells, that are self sealing for all but large ruptures. It's highly unlikely that a pistol-caliber bullet would penetrate the cabin wall, upper wing skin, top side of the bag and the fuel, and still be carrying enough kinetic energy to make it through the bottom of the bag & out the bottom wing skin. Even a .357 would have trouble with that. And in the case of the center section tank, the bullet would have to make it through the floor, which is much stiffer and tougher than the cabin wall, and then through the top of the spar center section carrythrough before it ever got to the bag. And the center tank is usually the one they run out first, in order to keep a more even strain on the wing structure. So that tank will be empty first. Those sump scavenge pumps do their job very well, so there will be almost zero fuel remaining. For ten bucks, I'd drink what's left.

As for decompression, IAN FLEMING WAS FULL OF SHIT!!! Jesus! Do people believe EVERYTHING they see out of hollywood? Explosive decompression is possible in only the most catastrophic failures of the fuselage structure. The interior is pressurized to an 8,000 foot equivalent which, at 35,000 feet, means about a 5 psi Delta-P (pressure differential). This is accomplished using compressor bleed air from one or more engines. In a twin, such as a 767, only one engine is normally used, with the other available in case something goes wrong with a duct or a valve or, on rare occasions, a cabin air leak of sufficient size that one engine can't supply enough to keep a safe pressure inside. If this still isn't enough, the little plastic cups will fall out of the ceiling. This takes some real doing. You'd have to empty a lot of full magazines into the wall to even get the Aux Bleed to kick in, and knock out four or five windows completely for the masks to drop.

So there you have it. The actual facts on airborne shoot-em-up from a real live Aerospace Engineer (who also works in ordnance design).

Greeg| 8.25.09 @ 7:40AM

Like everywhere else in the country, liberals are on the run and trying to defend this travesty of a president. Now they're coming to the "ExposeObama" website to try to defend him. Funny. I admit, I do like to go to Huff Post, Salon, MoveOn, et al and read what theese numbnuts think, which invaraibly always only strengthens my own views, but now I can get the best of both worlds.

Polaris| 8.25.09 @ 8:55AM

The author (and obviously a lot of commentators) are completely nuts. The national day of service is something that George W Bush had been advocating for years and something that the 9/11 victim's families have wanted since the event. I don't remember seeing such vitriolic bile when the idiot-in-chief wanted this done.

Carol-Ann| 8.25.09 @ 9:21AM

OMG, this is the funniest thing I've ever read! Please, continue with these hilarious comments. It's like "Kids Say the Darndest Things" except even better because you're all so drop-dead serious - almost as though you really believe in some mass conspiracy! The anger - it's awesome!

Stu| 8.25.09 @ 9:25AM

Wait - the holy mouthpiece of God, Fox News, reported in 2003 that this was something 9/11 families wanted.
http://origin.foxnews.com/stor.....03,00.html

Or does this not count because it was before Fox became the Brainwash Rightwing Propaganda Network?

Delta Dawn| 8.25.09 @ 9:42AM

"Day Of Remembrance" is a more appropriate name. Everyone should NEVER forget this day & remember the pride they had in their heart for America. Take time out to say a little prayer for the lost, injured & family left behind.

God Bless Our Troops & the U.S.A.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 10:01AM

DAAAAHHH! You're all more retarder than I am! DAHHHHHHHHHHh! Where's my skanky mommy?

jim| 8.25.09 @ 10:03AM

So, everytime something happens that somebody feels is offensive, like say the killing of about 3000 American citizens, all we have to do is change the name or highlight something else and the problem goes away. I know we wouldn't want to offend the terrorists or the cowards that did this to our country; I know they have feelings. Well, there isn't anybody who should ever forget 911, what really happened, and in no way shape or form should we cower to the terrorists. 911 has nothing to do with food banks, community gardens or freaking community activistism. It has to do with the untimely death of a lot of good people by a group of crazed terrorists hell bent on causing as much carnage as possible. This administtration is pathetic.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.25.09 @ 10:05AM

S.L. Toddard: I’m in a slightly different time zone in the World than you, so it wasn’t until this morning that I had the opportunity to read your Manifesto directed at me (almost 1,450 words, Wow!!). But I do appreciate that you took the time to read mine in the first place (and dissect every-single-friggin’-word-of-it, in the end), and then took the time yourself, to write a Post-Book Manifesto back to me. Now I hope you have the chance to see this response to you too today. Although with all the post written here since my original, and you response to it, I won’t be surprised if you miss this all the way down here at the end.

After the 9/11 attacks, we as a Nation had to respond to the threat/attacks that now confronted us. I do believe in my heart that you believed that too, and not just sit back like some good Quakers would (no offense to the Quaker’s out there!!) and not raise a hand. Now of course you don’t believe that Iraq was an imminent danger to us (that they’re the ones who actually planned the 9/11 attacks on us?), well neither did I. But who do you attack after 9/11, when there is no “One” country that attacked us (i.e.: Uniformed military troops of a particular Government / Country), instead it’s a religious ideology that is spread throughout the Islamic World. So no “One” Islamic Country is the bad guy here either, but it’s every Islamic Country in the World where the bad guys live. What do you do now? Would Saudi Arabia have been a better choice for us to attack as the enemy? Well sure they would’ve been, because most of the Highjacker's were from Saudi Arabia. But our Government decided it needed to do a Political dance with them, to protect our Oil interest (I wouldn’t have danced with them). For some odd reason, our Government thinks we’re allies with the Saudi’s. Yet the Saudi’s hate the West, and America in particular, but we are the biggest importers of oil in the World, so the Saudi’s play the game with us too. We pretend to be friends with each other, and then stab each other in the back when the other isn’t looking. So the Saudi’s can’t fund their Global Jihad without the profits from their oil. So if the West, and in particular America, want to funnel those profits to them to fight Jihad, well so be it. And America isn’t quite ready just yet, to bite the hand that feeds them their favorite drug, so we still need each other, fake friends till the end.

So I think we can agree upon this one assumption, Al Qaeda is the entity that attacked America that day (Radical Islam). Could we agree to that S.L.? So if radical Islam, and the organizations that spring up from this religion is the problem, then that’s the enemy correct? But it’s not just “One” Country in the Islamic World, it’s the organizations within all of them that is the enemy. So what do we do? Do we start bombing every Islamic country that has Jihad training bases in them? Well, I’ve got to tell you, we would’ve been attacking almost all the Islamic Countries around the World then, because they’re everywhere. So instead of doing that, we picked the Battleground for them, Iraq. So the threat of the Iraqi WMD was our reason for going in there in the first place, but we had to sell it to everybody on the Global stage somehow, and that was our reasoning. And then after the initial invasion, we sat back and waited patiently for our enemies to come to us, and come, they did. So sorry Iraq, but that’s what you really were to us, you’re the Battlefield of this Jihad War. You didn’t start this War against us, but you are where we decided to fight this War. Afghanistan might have been the better choice you say? Well we went straight into Afghanistan after 9/11, but we’re not as stupid as we look, we know the terrain in that Country would work against us, and it still does. You don’t let your enemy chose the Battlefield for you, unless of course you like the choice they made, and we don’t like Afghanistan as our Battlefield. So Iraq is just a better Battleground for us to fight in, instead of the entire Islamic World. And since the War in Iraq began in 2003, we’ve been killing the best Islamic Jihad fighter’s, that Mohammad and Allah has to offer us (PBUH). You see, they fell right into our little trap called Iraq.

I’m not going to get into the wiretapping argument here with you. We both agree that we should be listening in on our enemies. Our difference is, you want it done “by” the book more, and I’m a little bit more flexible on this issue. In this World of disposable Cell Phones today, getting a legal wiretap-warrant might be a wee bit too slow in keeping up with the bad guys. I could be wrong about this, but the original warrant you’d get is for the original phone, not the one they moved onto. And another reason why I don’t want to argue this point too much with you, I think you know a lot more about this topic than I do (FISA). So I’d only be bullshitting you, by defending my position too much here, trying to pretend that I’m an expert on this subject (I’m not). But I really do believe, that by the time you got the proper warrants for your surveillance, you’d have already missed your opportunity to destroy your prey. So if you say the laws already in place (pre 9/11), still would’ve worked for us to counter our enemy, okay then, I can’t make a sound argument against you on this point. I’m not a lawyer, I only play one on TV.

You got a little bit wacky to me, towards the end of your Post/Book. I never said we would be justified to attack, Belgium, Switzerland, or France (as you said), nor do I believe that we were completely justified to attack Iraq for the reasons we did either. But we were justified to attack Radical Islam, and once again, sorry to Iraq, but we used that Country and the WMD excuse, as our mousetrap, nothing more, nothing less. Our enemy is not prevalent in Switzerland to my knowledge, but he is everywhere in the Middle East, and Iraq is its heart and soul of Islam. I’m sure the U.S. Troops would’ve preferred Switzerland to have been the chosen as this Battleground instead of Iraq. I hear they have some great skiing there in the winter time, unlike Iraq. But where are all the Islamic Jihadists? They’re not on the Ski Slopes, now are they?

Now I don’t understand the last argument you made, about the Iran Hostage Crisis justifying the conquest of Argentina (My Doctrine as you put it)? I didn’t follow your logic on that one? Argentina might have some Islamic Terrorist within its borders (I really don’t know about that?), but it’s hardly within the heart of the World Wide Islamic problem to my knowledge. So I would not be for attacking Argentina, Belgium, Switzerland, or France. But this War could’ve been fought within several Countries to my satisfaction like, Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Somalia, Iran, or any number of radical Islamic Countries, it’s just that in the end we chose Iraq as the Battlefield. So unless you were just going to sit back and take it (after 9/11), and not respond to it, you have to agree that we had to bring the fight somewhere. But where? Against who? The answer turned out to be Iraq, like it or not. It became the Battleground to defend our Nation from Radical Islam, a worthwhile fight in my mind, but not to you I guess. I don’t think this makes us look clownish, dishonorable, stupid, or lacking in decency to the rest of the World, nor do I really take World opinion into consideration when our National Security is at stake. I think 9/11 and the spread of Radical Islam for the last 1,400 years makes Islam look this way to me, and should to you too. Now if you have a better plan, or place to defend our Nation, well let me know. So until I hear a better plan we can use against Radical Islam, I can live with the plan we’ve got in place now, warts and all.
(1,456 words, with absolutely no cut and paste)

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 10:12AM

DAHHHHHHHHH! You tell 'em Shoshanna! YOu know all about slobbering, just like me! And you know all about orgasmic ecstasy at the idae of blacks like my skank pig mommy! DAAAHHHHHH!

Pete| 8.25.09 @ 10:19AM

Typical leftist manoeuvre - take 9/11 away from us and use it to unight the country around ideas of socalled peace. Wont work. 9/11 belongs to us and Mr Obama will have to prize it from our cold dead fingers.

Bela Koe| 8.25.09 @ 10:25AM

As a person whose brother has served several stints in Iraq and Afghanistan (and who will be returning thier soon), I think most of the posts and this magazine are filled with the looniest fear mongering dangerous drival on the internet. You people are nuts.

Julie| 8.25.09 @ 10:40AM

So a national day of service is a BAD thing? It seems like a good day to honor those lost.

Good lord, I don't know what planet most of you bitter hollow souls are living on, but I'm glad I don't live there. What miserable lives you must lead.

Mr. Vadum, seek professional help, you're in desperate need of it.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 11:04AM

Is no one else disturbed by the fact that it is now impossible to simply disagree with another citizen on a policy issue? No, if someone disagrees with you -- whether you call yourself liberal or conservative, whether the issue is guns or gay marriage or abortion or national security -- that person (and everyone like him) must be EVIL! They must HATE AMERICA!

I fear for this republic. A republic can only function when all citizens, acknowledging that they will disagree, also acknowledge that each party is acting in good faith for the benefit of the nation. We don't have that any more. I don't know exactly the last time we had it, but it hasn't been the case in my memory. Republics can only work with rational discussion and debate; how can one rationally discuss or debate anything if the person you're talking to is THE EMBODIMENT OF PURE EVIL?

This is an excellent example. The EVIL President wants to make 9/11 a National Day of Service, a day in which Americans are to be encouraged to do volunteer work and give back to their communities -- and some people are fuming that this is somehow "unpatriotic?" Good Lord! How did volunteer work, how did community service become "unpatriotic?" Many of those who died on 9/11 were firemen and policmen -- people who served their communities.

How should 9/11 be observed? Like Tisha B'Av? Should we cover the mirrors and sit on the floor, fasting and mourning and feeling sorry for ourselves?

It doesn't matter. The issue is not 9/11. 9/11 is just another touchstone, another emotion-laden point that can be used to rally the base and paint the other side, whoever they may be, as EVIL people who HATE AMERICA.

Is there any hope left for the Republic, or are we pretty much on the same road as Rome divided bitterly between the optimates and populares?

jibeaux| 8.25.09 @ 11:04AM

Well, duh, the only real Amurican way to remember 9/11 is to go shopping, I don't care what the victims' families say. This "volunteer at a food bank" nonsense is soshulism.

Liberal Patriot| 8.25.09 @ 11:17AM

I believe the rumor 100% factually correct that most conservative commentators chug Drano before writing. I am stupider for having read Matthew Vadum's ditherings.

Just a public service announcement reminder to the audience: Barack HUSSEIN Obama beat John McCain in the last election. Oh, and it was by a huge effing margin. too. Get. Over. It. LOL

tmginnova| 8.25.09 @ 11:18AM

More right wing lies!
Below are a few facts, for any readers still residing on planet earth, rather than a bizarre parallel universe called FoxNewsWorld.
From washingtonmonthly.com:
Let's just note a few relevant details. First, George W. Bush called for community volunteer work on the anniversary of 9/11, and the right didn't find it controversial. Second, victims' families have recommended making 9/11 a national day of service for years. Third, Alex Koppelman explained, "Check out the official Web site set up for the day: They're asking people to come up with their own events. So if you don't want to help out at anti-American places like food banks and community gardens, you can organize your own event."

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 11:30AM

LLL,
You are wasting your time with Toddard, he is not interested in an honest discussion. He constantly makes phony arguments and distortions of the truth. I wonder what he actually does for his life, must be a strange empty life he leads.

I think you have an interesting theory on why we went to war in Iraq though I find it weird that you ignore Saddam Hussein's role in it. After 9/11, we were not going to put up with his bullcrap anymore and his regime had to go as he openly supported terrorist actions against the US and Israel. Why would we need to apologize to Iraq for removing that monster from power? If there has been a modern day Stalin, he is it and it is no secret he copied the Stalin playbook. I agree that we decided that Iraq would be the best place to take on Al Qaeda and would get rid of the evil that was Saddam at the same time. The weapons of mass destruction might have been overplayed since we had a number of reasons for going to war in Iraq, not to mention he had constantly violated every UN resolution since the Gulf War so technically we were still at war. Now we will have to deal with Iran and being able to have bases right next door in Iraq will be convenient. Of course Saudi Arabia is a huge problem as well but I will leave it at that.

mickey| 8.25.09 @ 11:36AM

Baby Trig for Prez 2012! We luv retards!

dasidper| 8.25.09 @ 11:38AM

Just another move by Obama to prove to the American public that he is not or has ever been an American. This man hates America and is doing everything in his power to ruin our Great Country.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 11:42AM

DAHHHHHHH! You spell gooder Pete! YOu should go to school with me! DAAAAAAAH!

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 11:43AM

DAAAAAHHHHHHH! YOu are a true patriot Micky! DAAAAAAHHHHHH!

Londoner| 8.25.09 @ 11:52AM

Ran into this by accident. I don't think you lot realise just how hilarious you as a nation are being right now. It's like giving two mentally ill men enough vallium to make their eyes roll white and giving them sticks to hit each other with. Only with less valuable stuff lost.

Please carry on, but keep in mind that most of the rest of the world is either laughing at you, or staring in disbelief.

Notorious P.A.T.| 8.25.09 @ 11:56AM

“the mainstream media—which remains almost uniformly terrified of criticizing the nation’s first black president”

http://www.pe.com/imagesdaily/....._6_300.jpg

ptemple2k| 8.25.09 @ 11:57AM

Changing a memorial--yep, just another way to distract us from the truth--the truth that this country was assaulted by terrorists.

Obama's administration will do anything to distract the public from the truth in any situation so they can do something behind the backs of the public during the uproar.

However what Obama and the lefties do not understand is that truth will prevail! We are not dumb like he thinks!

Notorious P.A.T.| 8.25.09 @ 11:59AM

Londoner, I agree that, from a distance, this is quite amusing and you are right to laugh. Unfortunately for us Americans who are stuck with people like this, it isn't very funny right now.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 12:01PM

DAAAAAHHHHHH! Hate to break it to you ptemple, but yes you are as dumb as he thihnks. I'm a retarded infant, and I can see that. DAAAAAHHHHH!

Notorious P.A.T.| 8.25.09 @ 12:01PM

"Welcome to 1984, boys and girls"

In which chapter of "1984" did Mr O'Brien force Winston to do community service work?

Notorious P.A.T.| 8.25.09 @ 12:03PM

"just another way to distract us from the truth--the truth that this country was assaulted by terrorists"

Why would Obama want to do that? Seriously, why? This is not a rhetorical question. I would really like to know.

Bohemond| 8.25.09 @ 12:03PM

"Stalinistic programs to monitor the communications of American citizens, they exploited it to enact anti-constitutional and un-American legislation "

That line of hysterical bullshit is gotten really, really threadbare, troll.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 12:10PM

DAAAAAAHHHHHHH! Dat's right Bohemond! Programs enacted by Republicans can never be Stalinistic! But anything a Democrat does is automatically Stalinistic! Good catch! You win the Trig Palin Award for the day! DAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

David Paine| 8.25.09 @ 12:12PM

Hi,
I am the president of the 9/11 Day of Service and Remembrance, which Jay Winuk and I helped to co-found following the terrorist attacks. On 9/11 Jay lost his brave brother Glenn, an attorney and volunteer EMT in the collapse of the south World Trade Center tower. Shortly thereafter Jay and I, along with the leaders of all 22 of the 9/11 family member and support groups came together to create this observance as a forward-looking way for all of us, and the nation to forever remember the lives of those lost and injured, and pay tribute to the many who rose in service following the attacks and continue to do so today as members of our Armed Forces. We have worked closely for more than seven years on a bi-partisan basis with Republicans and Democrats alike, conservatives and liberals. And this year thankfully, we finally achieved our mutual goal when Congress, in a broad bi-partisan vote, passed legislation that provided federal recognition for the first time of September 11 as a National Day of Service and Remembrance – a very proper and official affirmation of something that hundreds of thousands of people from all 50 states and 170 countries have observed informally since 2002. We just wanted to set the record straight that this is not, in any way, a government initiative created by President Obama or any government official. We want to make it clear to all concerned that this is an entirely privately-funded, nonprofit observance, nearly unanimously supported by the Left, Middle and Right. This article in American Spectator, which was written by blogger who is not a 9/11 family member and who never contacted the 9/11 families to find out what they wanted 9/11 to become , raises important points but also attempts to do the very thing that it criticizes -- to politicize 9/11. It seeks to improperly and unfairly drag the 9/11 families into a much broader political disagreement that exists between those with differing views of how this country should be run. Some of these issues have great merit of course, but the 9/11 National Day of Service isn't one of the. The 9/11 National Day of Service and Remembrance is a wonderful, patriotic, and constructive observance created by the 9/11 community. It basically tells Osama bin Laden that we will not accept the legacy that he hopes to pass onto to children for generations to come -- solely the visions of death and destruction that he created. This is our chance to take back the day, and ensure as a gift to the families that something positive arises from the ashes of 9/11. Accordingly, we respectfully request that 9/11 not be used any further by either side of the political spectrum to inspire anger, further political agendas, or create destructive divisions between well-meaning and in some cases heart-broken people. Doing so represents to us the true desecration of the day, and worse, it dishonors the many brave patriots who gave their lives and rose in service on 9/11 and afterwards.

Your friends, David & Jay

KatK| 8.25.09 @ 12:13PM

Most Americans have already forgotten 9/11 anyway (very sad). I lived in Boston and my husband was on a plane out of Logan that day. I will never forget it but you travel to the Left Coast and that day basically means nothing to them. On the East Coast, it is basically becoming the same way. New York can't even put up a memorial in honor of 9/11. The heartland still and will always remember 9/11 as well as the Oklahoma bombings.

Richard| 8.25.09 @ 12:13PM

Unfortunately, history books are written by the pot smoking liberal professors in the communist endowed universities. Do not expect history books to spend any time on 9/11. They hardly mention Pearl Harbor day anymore, but they do mention the Japenesse prison camps.

You are funny people| 8.25.09 @ 12:17PM

QUOTE:

So, basically, he's turning Sept. 11 in to National Radical Negro Day.
Hail Nero! Hail Caligula! Heil Hitler!
This guy is gonna make REAL AMERICANS - (You heard me) - REAL AMERICANS, Americans who LOVE this country, rise up. You thought that there could never be another Revolution? This THING in the White House is TRYING to destroy this country. This is gonna get ugly. Mark My Words.

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Nice.

Why don't you guys just go ahead and brand yourselves a the White Nationalist Party, since that's essentially what you have become?

Sounds like some child molester inbred trailer trash with a tiny wee-wee is still ticked off that a black man dared to win the presidency (and the most votes EVER).

Today's GOP: Do as we say, not as we do. And don't ask us what we do in airport men's rooms.

Enjoy your permanent irrelevance, angry old white racists. You don't have the youth, you don't have any minority votes, and in the next few decades that means one thing and one thing only - your party is headed towards extinction. By 2040, most of you will be dead. Meanwhile, I'll likely still be alive and voting, and most people my age will still be voting for the Democrats, as will the generations that follow mine.

Look around at your rallies - everyone is white, and the median age of your supporters is over 50. Look at public opinion polls on various contentious issues, like gay marriage and healthcare - youth sides with the liberal viewpoint, and the old farts like you folks side with the dying Goposaur philosophy.

If you folks still had any relevance, Jim Crow would be alive and well. Fortunately, progressivism won that battle, just as it has ultimately won almost every other ideological battle throughout our nation's history, and will continue to do so.

We are a more liberal and tolerant nation today than we were 25 years ago, 50 years ago, and 100 years ago. Look at the trendline and tell me where the smart money is.

So while tou inbred morons keep screaming at your TVs like Howard Beale, we'll keep moving America forward. And talk all you want about "Revolution"... you're a bunch of flag-waving, SUV driving, yellow ribbon magnet suburbanite douchebags who talk real tough but would piss all over yourselves if you ever had to face real adversity. You talk about the mentally retarded 43rd POTUS as if he was the ultimate patriot, and the little bitch was too much of a coward to serve in Vietnam, as was the case of his little bitch VP Cheney.

You folks are all talk. Keep whining, and then go commit mass suicide. Earth will be better off when you all die.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 12:25PM

DAAAAAHHHHHHHH! That's right Richard! All professors smoke dope and colleges are for commies! Look at you! You've earned more than enough with your GED to get that double wide. Sure, you still need food stamps to feed your filthy barefoot retard babies, but you've worked hard it! DAAAAHHHHHHH!

Notorious P.A.T.| 8.25.09 @ 12:26PM

"Most Americans have already forgotten 9/11 anyway"

Why do you say that? If nothing else, this comments thread seems to suggest otherwise.

jibeaux| 8.25.09 @ 12:32PM

Thank you, Mr. Paine. I thought that was very moving and your points well taken. I like that you called it the National Day of Service and Remembrance. I don't know about most Republicans, but I at least can reflect and remember and stock soup cans, all at the same time.

Terry| 8.25.09 @ 12:35PM

HAHAHAHAHAhAhAhAHAHAHAHHAA

Wingnuts are funny! Hope you like the wilderness nutjobs!!!

Jack Carter| 8.25.09 @ 12:44PM

Are you kidding? After years in which Dubya and the GOP politicized 9/11 and used it to justify everything imaginable (war in Iraq, spying, torture, etc, etc) NOW you're having a fit because Obama wants to change that? 9/11 should be about America, not one political party or another. You're just mad because you're losing control of the day.

Ronald Reagan's Real Son | 8.25.09 @ 12:46PM

1. "The plan is to turn a 'day of fear' that helps Republicans into a day of activism called the National Day of Service that helps the left." -- This is sick. You're as bad as the libtards who want to use 9/11 for their political gain. It's not a "'day of fear' that helps Republicans," it's a national tragedy. Period.

2. The reason Lennox Yearwood "uses the honorific 'Reverend' before his name" is because he's a minister.

3. @ Richard: "They hardly mention Pearl Harbor day anymore, but they do mention the Japenesse prison camps. " Are you nuts?!? Also, I'm not sure if you were being racist or simply can't spell, but it's "Japanese."

spottedowl| 8.25.09 @ 12:52PM

Actually, we can't wait until 2012. Impeachment is the only way to rid this nation of this imposter. This Muslim-in-chief has to go now. As to the others recall petitions should be exercised now so that there is a clean slate in 2010.

Kevin| 8.25.09 @ 12:55PM

HAHAHAH I love stupid people...this is amazing...thanks for the idiocy 90% of you and the author of this article that is being spouted...good game!

sandy| 8.25.09 @ 1:03PM

Keep up the dumb work, democrats...tell the families of 9/11 that the great Bozo has changed the day their loved ones died to a "service" day...welcome to the new worker's paradise..how moronic to think all these slights won't add up to a huge difference in 2010...that is, unless a planned "crisis" doesn't call out martial law to "protect" the citizenry that has started to see this trumped up emperor has no clothes, no brain, no strategy, no experience, no valor, no integrity...

Robert| 8.25.09 @ 1:06PM

These people are like the Post Turtle and is when you’re driving down a back country road and you look along the highway and see a turtle balanced on top of a fence post. The turtle (Obama) certainly didn’t get up there by himself (i.e., he was voted in). He doesn’t belong there (no experience); he can’t get anything done while he’s up there (except talk in rhetoric); and you just want to stop help the poor thing down (vote him out of office).

Jay Areff| 8.25.09 @ 1:06PM

So you 'conservatives' finally admit that 9/11 is merely a day of fear to use to push the values or issues that you deem favorable to repugnicans (but hilariously aren't anymore, considering the fact that you people can't do anything right)? Thought so, nice of you to finally admit it.

Ralph Novy| 8.25.09 @ 1:06PM

Michale Palin wrote:

"Get a clue, kooks: the leadership of both major parties are full of crap; neither has a serious claim to moral superiority; given its recent history the GOP certainly has no claim to intellectual superiority. The GOP has ceded too much power to you far right kooks who believe like-minded folks are the only "real" Americans. If this country is to be torn apart or destroyed as y'all so often warn about, most likely it's folks like YOU who will bring us down and not your imaginary monsters of the political left. "

Hear, hear.

Jason Brian Merrill| 8.25.09 @ 1:09PM

being neither leftist or righty, i have to say that i think it is good that we look forward from 9/11 instead of constantly looking back.

someone here cited 1984, but i dont think they realize that we have treated 9/1/01 like "hate day" or "hate hour" for years now.

It was an historic day, an infamous day, a day that should live on in our hearts for what it really was, a terrorist attack on the united states. I dont think the obama admin is changing that at all, i think they are just doing what they can to foster the exact opposite of the hatred promulgated by those terrorists on that day. They are trying to turn it around and turn that hateful, evil act - and react with something good, and positive.

let's move forward people.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 1:10PM

@Notorious P.A.T:
"In which chapter of "1984" did Mr O'Brien force Winston to do community service work?"

We've pretty much already adopted the full Ingsoc motto: "War is Peace, Ignorance is Strength, Freedom is Slavery."

Redefining volunteerism and community service as unpatriotic shouldn't be much of a surprise.

Humphrey| 8.25.09 @ 1:11PM

QUOTE:

Actually, we can't wait until 2012. Impeachment is the only way to rid this nation of this imposter. This Muslim-in-chief has to go now. As to the others recall petitions should be exercised now so that there is a clean slate in 2010.

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Put down the crystal meth, go back into your double wide, and molest your kids some more, hillbilly.

PugMan| 8.25.09 @ 1:16PM

Hey Londoner
Are you a bloke? You should laugh after allowing your country to be taken by Muslim thugs. Sharia law can coexist with Parliamentarian Law - yeah right - frickin idiots.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 1:16PM

@sandy:
"tell the families of 9/11 that the great Bozo has changed the day their loved ones died to a "service" day..."

Would the "great Bozo" in question be George W. Bush? After all, he proclaimed the whole month of September a time of service in honor of the victims of 9/11.

http://www.voanews.com/english.....2002-08-31

It's thinking like yours that will let the terrorists win.

Gregory| 8.25.09 @ 1:17PM

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The heartland still and will always remember 9/11 as well as the Oklahoma bombings.

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Ironic that you mention the OKC bombing, the worst domestic terrorist attack in US history - committed by an extreme rightwinger.

Many of you Reichwingers posting here probably secretly consider Tim McVeigh a hero.

Not a surprise coming from the major national party that is the ideological sibling and front group for the KKK.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 1:22PM

I guess Jack is really upset that we water-boarded the 9/11 mastermind KSM, the shame of it all! Should have just let them go ahead with their plan to blow up LAX than make that fat bastard wet his pants. We should probably give him compassionate release for "torturing" him so terribly. Probably didn't bother you one bit to see the Lockerbie bomber returned to a hero's welcome just in time to celebrate Holy Ramadan with his family like a good Muslim, just warms the heart doesn't it? Maybe you believe 9/11 was just America's chickens coming home to roost like Rev Wright, who just so happened to marry the Obama's and baptized his children. Of course, Obama was not there that day and "strongly disagrees" but could no more abandon his good friend Wright than his white grandmother. I think we know how that turned out.

Joseph McCarthy| 8.25.09 @ 1:24PM

Jesus will be furious that Obama has taken a day of rage and vengeance and turned it into some sissified day of helping other people. How dare he. It's so obviously an abomination unto God to say we should stop hating the Muslins and instead feed the hungry or shelter the homeless or visit the sick or some other crazy commie crap. I agree with the patriot who said this day is all about guns. Let's celebrate 9/11 by shooting our guns into the streets, and if any moran happens to get in the way while he's painting a runaway shelter or something like that, I say good riddance. USA! USA! USA!

john| 8.25.09 @ 1:27PM

Hey Rednecks - how can you all be avid hunters and pro gun but yet so pro life? Please explain you decay of Western civilization.

Tuttle| 8.25.09 @ 1:31PM

Right wing blogs, putting the inane in insane for 10 years now.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.25.09 @ 1:36PM

Todd: Did I forget to mention Saddam Hussein in my earlier rant? I’m sorry about that, but sometimes I get carried away with myself, and forget to mention some important points I’m trying to make.

Saddam Hussein personally gave us the ammunition we needed to build our case with the United Nations (but for the life of me I’ll never understand why we’re still a part of that Anti Semitic organization anymore). If it weren’t for him violating all those sanctions against Iraq, we most likely would’ve had to figure out another Straw-man country to set up for the fall. And I’m only saying I’m saying sorry for Iraq, in terms that they were the unfortunate Country who’s leader handed us the rope with which to hang him (literally). Iraq had this giant bull’s-eye one their back named Saddam, and his two wonderful-peace-loving sons, and he was a very worthwhile target to shoot at. So I’m only sorry about the destruction that was brought to Iraq, because of its Psychotic leader at the time. But I’m not sorry for the potential that theirs country’s future holds for them now, it’s their to do with as they will. I pray that they take the ball and run with it now, and become the best damn Islamic country they can be (I’m not exactly sure what hell that’ll mean?). And hopefully they won’t sink back into just another example of Middle Eastern politics as usual, a new decade, a new Dictator.

Their new Government might not be the best so-called Democracy in the world, but it might be the best one in a region without any Democracy in any Islamic Country. And maybe some won’t see that as a lasting gift to them, but I do. And once our Troops withdraw from Iraq, if they sink back into the same old, same old, well then, they’ll have nobody to blame but themselves for it. America did its part to set them up for success, at great cost, it’s their job now to choose their path.

Londoner: At least America still has a little bit of life and fight left in her, unlike your pathetic-used-to-be-an-empire, but is no more. Tell me Londoner, does your local Mosque wake you up in the morning with their Islamic Call to Prayer? Or do you live far enough away from it, that it doesn’t bother you too much anymore? Are your Mom and Sister afraid to go out on the street now without you? And when you walk down the street Londoner, do you avert your eyes away from the Female Muslims, so that the Street gangs don’t attack you? So you just keep on laughing at America from across the pond, and I’ll keep praying for the resurrection of Winston Churchill for you. The War on Terrorism was brought home to us on 9/11, but the War on Terrorism is living on every block in your Country. Londoner, the War on Terrorism is living right next door to you, haven’t you noticed that? Who do you think will last longer in this 1,400 year old War? Britain or America? Two hundred years from now, Americans will still be talking about the Great British Empire, but will your Countrymen still be?

Gary| 8.25.09 @ 1:37PM

America: we have to fight for it if we love it, we have no choice , the greatest terrorist invasion is taking place right now and it was voted in.....

Greg| 8.25.09 @ 1:58PM

Gary,
You are Spot on but remember, Voted in means we can also vote them out! Had more Conservatives participated in the last election, the current issues might never have occured. We are still the Majority but only if we participate! Help to get more on board...

jibeaux| 8.25.09 @ 2:03PM

So far among the supportive comments we've got birthers, secessionists, people who believe the president is a Muslim, people who advocate the violent overthrow of a democratically elected government, virulent racists, and people who say that 9/11 is "ours" and that Obama will have to pry it out of "our" cold dead fingers (Wait, that's the guns, right? I don't know how much time I'm going to have for prying dates what with all the guns I have to collect. ) And people who write in all caps about "AMERICORE" as Hitler Youth (GWB specifically endorsed AmeriCorps in his post 9/11 Call to Service - don't read the call to action to prevent the spread of HIV, your head might essplode).
And people who need the symbolism of the Post Turtle spelled out in parentheticals, and people who spell Japanese "Japenesse".
Sarah Palin is a Rhodes scholar compared to this assemblage of delusion.

HAHAHAHA| 8.25.09 @ 2:06PM

QUOTE:

We are still the Majority but only if we participate! Help to get more on board...

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As clearly evidenced by the Democratic Party controlling the White House and 60% of all U.S. Congressional seats.

Conservatism was going so swimmingly well that America just decided to vote all of the Republicans out in a 24 month massacre at the polls.

DOH!

HAHAHAHA| 8.25.09 @ 2:13PM

And before you troglodytes whip out the old "we only lost so many seats because we weren't conservative enough" chestnut, let me remind you of one name (among many):

Former U.S. Senator Rick Santorum

Surely Mr. Man-on-dog Sex was voted out for "not being conservative enough".

Keep telling yourselves that. And please, please, please do give serious consideration to a nominating Sean Hannity in 2012, because I really want to see that Obama re-election landslide of epic proportions.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 2:15PM

This is really pathetic. The soi-disant "conservatives" are behaving exactly like the "liberals" they so despise did in the first Bush the Younger administration.

Actually worse: the anti-Bush liberals didn't wave guns around at their shrill shrieking protests.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 2:17PM

You ever hear of the 2nd Amendment or the Revolutionary War John? I know they don't teach much about that in Public schools these days, no time for that because we need to be informed on what a terrible imperialist Columbus was and how noble and peaceful the American Indians were. Being a normal thinking person, I can believe in the right to bear arms and believe that killing unborn babies is wrong but I guess I am not a sophisticated intellectual like you that wants to repeal the second Amendment and support abortion on demand up to the 9th month. Actually that is the decay of Western civilization right there for you in a nutshell.

LLL,
While I think we agree on most points, your Straw-man comment I disagree with. Even without 9/11, we might have had to get rid of Saddam sooner or later with his many provocations but after 9/11, business as usual in the Middle East had to change starting with him.
Iraq should thank us profusely for ridding them of the malignant evil and giving them freedom from tyranny. Imagine if we had to deal with Saddam and Iran as it is now, especially regarding the situation in Israel. It would be an outright nightmare, much worse than now.

I am not one of those that thinks any country that is majority Muslim has to be considered an enemy to freedom and the US, only those where the fundamentalist fascist dictators have power. Secular democratic countries like Turkey and Indonesia certainly pose no threat to the US and could even be considered Allies to an extent. Our hope is that Iraq can follow the lead of those countries instead of their unsavory neighbors throughout the Middle East. I spent some time in Indonesia working a few years back and found a majority of Muslims there very friendly to Americans though Bush was not too popular as you could expect.

cRaZiEs| 8.25.09 @ 2:20PM

You folks are seriously NUTS. Breathe for a second. Look in the mirror... because you are blinded by hatred and ignorance.

Using a day of mourning to do something positive is a great idea. There is nothing nefarious about it. People have been wanting to do it for years and even bush suggested it.

Trig Palin| 8.25.09 @ 2:21PM

DAAAAHHHHHHH! Joe Mcarthy, will you be my running mate? You are a true patriot who has really captured the spirit of the Republican Party!
DAAAAHHHHHH!

Bilwick| 8.25.09 @ 2:22PM

Wow, this article really brought out the lockstep, party-line regurgitating members of the Cult of the State (and the Sub-Cult of "Il Dufe"), didn't it? The writer of the article must be doing something right to irritate the Staat-shtuppers.

Half Breed Muslin| 8.25.09 @ 2:26PM

This is an outrage! How dare the President suggest that I volunteer for community service on 9/11 instead of cowering in my home cleaning my guns and being afraid of terrorists .

Michael| 8.25.09 @ 2:26PM

Until the real perpetrators of this crime (i. e. Richard Bruce Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld) are brought to justice and punished, 9/11 is and always shall remain a "desecrated" day.

And then the Bush admin named the day "Patriot Day" when America already had a "Patriots Day" on April 19th. It is too late to desecrate this day again... But we could reclaim it by prosecuting the real criminals who remain on the loose and on taxpayers' pension.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 2:33PM

August 31, 2002:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,61821,00.html

NEW YORK — President Bush on Saturday called on all Americans to take part in a month of community service and volunteerism as his administration continues to try to drum up support for the war on terror.

"In all of the trials we have faced this past year, countless acts of generosity and sacrifice have revealed the good heart of our nation," Bush said in his weekly radio address. "And in coming weeks, I ask all citizens to answer the call to help those in need, and make this month a September of Service."

Bush touted his USA Freedom Corps. effort, which, launched after Sept. 11, aims to round up volunteers at the local level to get involved in community service. He also called on Americans to enlist in what he dubbed "armies of compassion" and dedicate at least 4,000 hours of service to their communities and the world.

"The response to the call to service has been strong," he said.

Bush hailed VolunteerMatch, a group that matches volunteers to charities on the USA Freedom Corps Web page, and said referrals from that service have increased by more than 70 percent over last year. Requests for Peace Corps volunteer applications have increased 40 percent over, while online AmeriCorps applications are up by 95 percent since January. And more than 48,000 individuals have signed up online to participate in the new Citizens Corps program.

"The response we have seen is more than numbers, though," Bush said. "It is a reminder that when people help each other, our entire nation benefits."

Bush wants America's students to begin a service activity or project this school year and introduced a new guidebook for educators to help them enlist America's young people in service to their communities and instill in them a sense of civic participation and responsibility.

More than 130,000 public and private elementary and secondary schools, home schools and after-school programs around the country will receive copes of the Students in Service to American guidebook, a CD-ROM, posters and other resources. A Web site called "Students in Service to America" will also be launched.

Bush also announced that the Corporation for National and Community Service will dedicate 25,000 AmeriCorps members and Senior Corps volunteers to support student service activities like after-school programs.

About $20 million in grant funding from the Corporation for National and Community Service included in its current budget request will go to support these volunteers. This money is on top of the $43 million Bush requested for the Learn and Serve America program, which gives young people chances to serve in schools, community organizations, colleges and universities.

"Young people have the energy and determination to do important work, and volunteer service can teach them valuable lessons about responsibility, community, and selflessness at an early age," the president said. "Through these efforts, young people will learn how important service is to our nation, and how to get started today."

And as the one-year anniversary of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks quickly approaches, Bush said acts of kindness can honor the victims. He also noted that this year, teachers face an additional challenge in finding instructional and meaningful ways to have students reflect on what happened that day.

The Points of Light Foundation, which offers educators help getting students engaged in community service, through the end of the year will offer teachers the chance to designate student service projects as living memorials to individual victims of the attacks through the USA Initiative. These projects can include food drives, tutoring projects, park cleanups and playground building.

"As September the 11th approaches, difficult memories of planes and buildings will resurface," Bush said. "But so will images of brave individuals coming to the aid of neighbors in need. That spirit of courage and selflessness has shown the world why our nation is the greatest force for good in history. I urge all Americans to honor the memory of those lost by serving others."

You're a dickhead| 8.25.09 @ 2:34PM

QUOTE:

I know they don't teach much about that in Public schools these days, no time for that because we need to be informed on what a terrible imperialist Columbus was and how noble and peaceful the American Indians were.

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Go commit suicide, you massive pile of dog shit.

OK, so I presume that you think the Native Americans were "savages" because they had the audacity to fight back when people tried to take what was theirs.

If someone came to your house and tried to take it from you, how would you respond? Would you violently defend your turf?

So if Native Americans did that, they were behaving like savages, but if you do it, you are just being a good patriotic 'Murican defending what's yours.

Gotcha.

Seriously, go kill yourself.

Teebob2000| 8.25.09 @ 2:36PM

Ahhhh: "the source".

We MUST trust "the source." "The source" knows all that happens. "The source" can read men's minds. (And don't forget ACORN too!!!!!1!!)

Absolutely 100% correct, what incite: performing positive acts and community service on the local and neighborhood level, for the benefit of the greater good, will tarnish the memories of the 3000+ people who died that day. Brilliant.

Teebob2000| 8.25.09 @ 2:45PM

Todd @ 2:17 above - you sick, myopic idiot. Yeah, Iraqis should thank us for our complicity in the deaths of hundreds of thousands of their countrymen and for plunging their nation into 10 -- maybe 20? 30? -- years of civil war.

Saddam was a paper tiger, doing no more harm to his country than the Shah of Iran (hey, that was OUR guy!!!) did to his, or countless other bloody dictators we've propped up when it suited our needs (hey, including Saddam when he was fighting AGAINST Iran!! I see a pattern here, but then, I have a brain and choose to use it...).

Fan-freaking-tastic.

Lullabys, Legends and Lies| 8.25.09 @ 2:50PM

Todd: You’re totally correct with what you said, could you imagine the tinderbox we’d have today if we had left Saddam in power? Iran and Iraq might have put their own blood feud on hold for just a minute, and work together towards their shared goal, the total destruction of the State of Israel. Then they could've went back to War against each other, each claiming victory over the Jews for Allah. So good riddance to that F'ing Tyrant. So I think we’re 90% on the same page here, and that’s good enough for me. So I look forward to reading what you’ve got to say in the future.

Can you believe the total Loonies we’ve got here today? Is the Huffington Post Website down or something? Can somebody please call a nerd to fix the internet, so they can find their way home.
Help Nerds, Help!!

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 2:53PM

Looks like I hit a nerve with the libtards. Just goes to show they really dislike this country like Obama and Rev Wright. Is there is a civil war going on in Iraq right now? I barely hear anything about Iraq in the news these days so it is hard to know. Last I heard they were having elections and living in a democratic country without the fear of being tortured or raped by Saddam's henchmen. I also heard that many liberals back in the day thought the Soviet Union wasn't such a bad place to live under Stalin. I guess I am a sick and myopic idiot for being glad to see the end of Saddam's regime which wasn't so bad according to Teebob2000. Bring it on chumps.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 2:54PM

Where exactly in the Constitution does it specify that it is the United States' responsibility to spread democracy and depose tyrants?

Ray| 8.25.09 @ 2:57PM

GET YOUR HEADS OUT OF THE SAND AMERICA! Obama is not bringing change to this country, he is destroying the remaining fabric of our once great Nation.

DOES ANYONE CARE about all of the radical groups that have positioned themselves to take advantage of all the free tax $'s that Obama is giving away. Has anyone figured out yet that the stimulus package was just his way for to disquise free handouts to these radical organizations to bring destruction upon the middleclass.

NO! None of you actually understand what is going on.

IT IS NOW TIME TO STAND AND BEGIN A NEW PARTY FOR THE PEOPLE OF THIS COUNTRY. - JOIN ME AS WE TAKE BACK AMERICA BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE. Your freedom and liberty are at stake.

As people concentrate on what is happening with healthcare the Obama administration and his army of subversive cohorts are moving forward and we the people can't see the forest for the trees. Think about it. He is blinding us with all that he is doing and it is working. He has AMerica concentrating on certain issues all at once while Van Jones (A self proclaimed communist) is aiding in destroying the middle class. His organization received more than $100,000,000.00 in stimulus funds disquised as job training money. Who is Obama kidding. ARORN has received $2 Billion and another $8.6 Billion is awaiting to be given if not already.

This situation is about raiding the Treasury and stripping the middleclass. WAKE UP AMERICA!

It is taking place before your own eyes.

Join the Peoples Party For America.

E-Mail rjsca@yahoo.com so I can get intouch with you. Do it before it is too late.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 3:00PM

Violence in Iraq

What people like Todd seem to forget is that freedom isn't free. You can't just hand people a democracy and expect them to make it work (or at least to make it work in a way amenable to US interests). Look at Gaza. They had free and open and democratic elections -- and they elected Hamas by a landslide. More to the point, look at Weimar Germany.

If a people hasn't fought for freedom for itself, if it hasn't paid for its freedom in its own blood, then it doesn't truly value and appreciate freedom. A people with no experience of democracy, no tradition of democracy is not going to learn how run one just because somebody comes in and takes out one thuggish regime. They'll just vote in another thuggish regime.

Freedom isn't free. If the Iraqis had wanted freedom, if they wanted to get rid of Saddam, they should have risen up and done so themselves.

The freedom of the Iraqi people is not worth a single drop of American blood.

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:01PM

Obama wants to REDISTRIBUTE our precious FEAR!

The only way we can combat this is by being AFRAID! Together!

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 3:02PM

@Ray

"WAKE UP AMERICA!"

You mean, like, Deutschland Erwache?

Tina| 8.25.09 @ 3:03PM

Lighten up every one. If the Republicans came up with this idea, you would all be applauding it!

This isn't about a left or right philosophy, it is an attempt to make something good out of something horrible. What is wrong with remembering a horrible day in American history by banding together to provide service to our communities as we banded together on 9/11/01?

Get off the political soap box and broaden your minds a little!

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:06PM

TINA!

You say that now, but one day you're gonna wake up and try to be afraid of stuff and find that the GOVERNMENT HAS OUTLAWED BEING AFRAID!

The 2nd Amendment grants us all the right to be AFRAID!

Obama has NO RIGHT to take that away from us!

9/11 was HORRIBLE, and should be turned into something WORSE!

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:06PM

TINA!

You say that now, but one day you're gonna wake up and try to be afraid of stuff and find that the GOVERNMENT HAS OUTLAWED BEING AFRAID!

The 2nd Amendment grants us all the right to be AFRAID!

Obama has NO RIGHT to take that away from us!

9/11 was HORRIBLE, and should be turned into something WORSE!

Nobama| 8.25.09 @ 3:06PM

nieciedo, where does the Constitution say that the Federal Government is supposed to take over our private health care system and provide insurance for illegal aliens? Where does it say the government can FORCE me to buy insurance? Hmmm?

I couldn't find where the government should take over the Banking and Auto industries, either.

I couldn't find any of the fascist liberal crap you morons are trying to do; because NONE of it is in the Constitution! Hypocrite.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 3:06PM

Thanks LLL. You know you are dealing with a real piece of work when they say Saddam wasn't so bad and we should have played nice with him. I think many people are very short-sighted when it comes to Iraq and only see the problems that resulted from invading like there would have been no problems if he remained in power. Certain people think we should just let Israel fend for themselves but that is foolish beyond reason. If you think Israel will go down without one hell of a fight, you are sadly mistaken and they will use their nukes if given no option. That is something that we should try to prevent at all costs and getting rid of Saddam was a good step in doing so. Now we can focus on Iran though there does not seem much hope with Obama and Hillary dropping the ball as expected. Israel will have to take matters into their own hands at some point soon or it will be too late.

Jeremiah| 8.25.09 @ 3:10PM

Nice double post, Wide Awake; obviously you're not. lol

Bay Area Patriot| 8.25.09 @ 3:11PM

Obama is the most un-American president we have ever had. He is a disgrace and should be impeached.

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:11PM

JEREMIAH!

GOOD ONE!

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 3:17PM

@Nobama:

You've demonstrated perfectly the attitude I lamented in an earlier post, the attitude which will be the death of this great republic. You assume that because I apparently disagree with you on one topic I must disagree with you on every topic and therefore must be THE EMBODIMENT OF PURE EVIL!!!!

nieciedo, where does the Constitution say that the Federal Government is supposed to take over our private health care system and provide insurance for illegal aliens? Where does it say the government can FORCE me to buy insurance? Hmmm?

That bit about providing for the general welfare, as well as the powers delegated to Congress (and the Elastic Clause) make all of that possible.

The problem, though, is that no one is going to be taking over your precious private health insurance (whatever good it may do you) or force you to buy any.

I couldn't find any of the fascist liberal crap you morons are trying to do; because NONE of it is in the Constitution! Hypocrite.

First off, "fascist liberal" is an oxymoron.

Second, you don't know me, so by what right do you lump me in with all these other "morons" you hate so much?

I probably dislike President Obama more than you do! But at least I'm not wringing my hands fretting about the end of the world as we know it...

jibeaux| 8.25.09 @ 3:18PM

Well, I've signed up. Unfortunately the website is full of bitter, angry people, infuriated by the idea that somewhere, somehow, a human being might help or co-operate with another human being. I suggest ignoring them and finding some small thing to do. I am going to my son's school and to plant an extra row in my fall garden for the hungry. I know. It's evil. Literacy and broccoli are the first steps on the road to fascism. I'm doing it anyway.

Zork| 8.25.09 @ 3:19PM

"There is nothing in the world as dangerous as sincere ignorance and willful stupidity". I have seen so much on this site, it's frightening.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 3:21PM

@Bay Area Patriot:
Obama is the most un-American president we have ever had. He is a disgrace and should be impeached.

Please define "un-American." What is the rubric for determining who is and is not "un-American" and where can I find it?

Also, what would be the grounds for impeachment? He hasn't yet gotten a blow job from an intern (that we know of).

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 3:21PM

Nieciedo,
I said nothing about freedom being free or that our only reason for going there was to make them free, it was in our own self-interest to remove Saddam from power for a number of reasons given. There was no chance that the people could rise up and remove him because they had no power or 2nd amendment rights like here and Saddam could pay off enough people to stay in power through the oil for food sham. To say the people in Iraq have done nothing for their own freedom since the invasion is untrue, the reason the insurgency was defeated was because they turned against those Islamic thugs during our surge. To say they did not pay a price to win the fight is a falsehood. So far they have a surprisingly strong democratic government with no sign of a thuggish regime. Sure some people will hate us there because maybe they had it good under Saddam as part of his ruling clique or blame us for the blood spilled that is a requirement for freedom against tyranny. I would say the majority will be grateful Saddam is gone and have a voice in their government despite the struggles and heartaches that accompanied it.

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:21PM

NIECIDO! SHAME ON YOU!

NOBAMA is just excercising his GOD-GIVEN and CONSTITUTION-GIVEN RIGHT to BE AFRAID!

Ever hear of GOD-FEARING AMERICAN?!

Don't forget our motto: Land of the FREE, home of the SCARED!

Wide Awake In America| 8.25.09 @ 3:21PM

NIECIDO! SHAME ON YOU!

NOBAMA is just excercising his GOD-GIVEN and CONSTITUTION-GIVEN RIGHT to BE AFRAID!

Ever hear of GOD-FEARING AMERICAN?!

Don't forget our motto: Land of the FREE, home of the SCARED!

brg| 8.25.09 @ 3:27PM

You guys are hilarious.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 3:34PM

@Todd
None of that justifies the death of even a single American soldier.
None of the supposed security justifications for the unilateral removal of Saddam hold water. He just wasn't a threat.
And as for the Iraqi people, other similarly oppressed people have managed to stage revolutions. They could have tried just a little. Obviously, they didn't want freedom enough to risk life and limb for it -- and for good reason.
Muslim Arabs are incapable of democracy. Theirs is a backward, barbaric tribal culture that reached its zenith in the Middle Ages and has been stagnant ever since in the grasp of fundamentalist religion.
Look how long and how much suffering it took for the French and the Germans to learn how to run a democracy.

The Russians are another example: they've never had democracy and are not prepared for it. That's why the only thing that's really changed between the Tsarist regime, the USSR, and today is the flags and what the ruling elite calls themselves.

Freedom isn't free.

dsh| 8.25.09 @ 3:44PM

" brg: You guys are hilarious. "

Seriously. This whole thing is me lollin'.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 3:59PM

nieciedo,
One good thing about Iraq is that they have been a largely secular society and are nothing like Saudi Arabia so they are much more capable of having a democratic government like Turkey. Whether it will happen remains to be seen in the long-run but to say they are incapable of it comes off as xenophobic to me. Do you know anything about Turkey?

And how was it that Saddam was not a threat? Was he not actively funding terrorist organizations and seeking weapons of mass destruction? Maybe we overrated his capabilities to an extent but it was not imaginary. If you think Hans Blix and his weapon inspectors would be enough to keep him in check, you are deluded. Israel would be under double threat if he was allowed to stay in power.

Russia will always remain a problem, they still imagine themselves as a great power and will continue to cause mischief in attempting to do so. The pathetic attempt to "reset" relations will end in utter failure and they have their eyes set on the Ukraine and believe with good reason that Obama will do nothing substantive to stop them. Obviously we do not want war with them but we should make it clear they will pay a heavy financial price if they invade. Without foreign investment, their economy will collapse and they will have anarchy in the streets.

That is it for me

Sean| 8.25.09 @ 4:05PM

You people are insane. I can't believe a policy trying to promote charity on 9/11 is being twisted into "unamerican" biases. At least a politician is using the tragedy for concrete improvement and not idealistic speechcraft. I know my comment's a drop of water in the "conservative" ocean but c'mon! Are you so ready to shoot down any ideas from the Left that you forget that all those people you despise were elected to their office in a democratic country? But you'll call what is American history "un" american just because your ideas aren't at the forefront of what people want.

The American Spectator asks me to donate. That'll be a cold cold cold day in hell.

halo| 8.25.09 @ 4:05PM

Sorry - its a little hard to change my mindset no matter how Obama tries.
I went to 5 funerals in the wake of Sept 11th. Old, young, friends and family.
A very dear family friend called this week to tell me that her son has been "found" . Apparently they found part of his leg and he will have to be disinterred and reburied.
I cannot tell you what this does to people.
When are we going to wake up and realize that this President is doing us no good, has done no good and will continue to do no good until we vote him and his cronies out??

Alahmnat| 8.25.09 @ 4:09PM

Mr. Vadum, the selective quotations and willful ignorance of history on display in this "article" would have merrited you an "F" at the private, Catholic high school from which I graduated, if not an appearance before the school's disciplinary board for unethical journalism. I hope you are pleased with yourself, sir, for being so deftly capable of stirring up the basest fears of your most rabid constituents by inciting them to despise now what they cheered for six years ago.

halo| 8.25.09 @ 4:11PM

Sean - I will do you a favor and NAIL you line by line:

You people are insane. I can't believe a policy trying to promote charity on 9/11 is being twisted into "unamerican" biases = Yes, it is Un American to FORGET what 9/11 is about. But I guess you were under a rock when 3000 INNOCENT PEOPLE DIED!

At least a politician is using the tragedy for concrete improvement and not idealistic speechcraft.= Bullcrap, try again Sean. Obama is great a giving speeches, not so good at actually doing anything. Look at the Healthcare debate.

I know my comment's a drop of water in the "conservative" ocean but c'mon! = Has nothing to do with Conservative, has everything to do with what is "right". To forget 9/11 was a TERRORIST ATTACK is the height of revisionist history.

Are you so ready to shoot down any ideas from the Left that you forget that all those people you despise were elected to their office in a democratic country? = I don't despise Obama, but you and he need to remeber 49 million people did NOT vote for him. Call me what you will I don't vote for Anti Semites and your PRez is one. Don't believe me, check Rev. Wright sermons on the web and you can see if for yourself.

But you'll call what is American history "un" american just because your ideas aren't at the forefront of what people want. = And what the hell is that supposed to mean?????????

The American Spectator asks me to donate. That'll be a cold cold cold day in hell. Yeah it'll be a cold day in hell when I give money to Huff Post or MSLSD

halo| 8.25.09 @ 4:14PM

Gotta love Lefty wacko's attacking whenever they see something about the Messiah in print that they do not like
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Mr. Vadum, the selective quotations and willful ignorance of history on display in this "article" would have merrited you an "F" at the private, Catholic high school from which I graduated, if not an appearance before the school's disciplinary board for unethical journalism. I hope you are pleased with yourself, sir, for being so deftly capable of stirring up the basest fears of your most rabid constituents by inciting them to despise now what they cheered for six years ago.

halo| 8.25.09 @ 4:18PM

nieciedo you are an jack!#@

Bill Clinton was impeached for LYING IN FEDERAL COURT. Not for getting a blowjob, get your brain out of the gutter.

When Congress puts on page 58 of the HC bill Page 58: Government will have real-time access to your bank accounts, individual’s finances and a National ID will be issued to everyone

Since the 4th AMENDMENT GUARANTEE"S MY RIGHT AGAINST ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE I SAY WITH CONFIDENCE YOU SIR ARE A MORON

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 4:20PM

@Todd:

If funding terrorists and seeking WMDs was enough to constitute a threat, we would have to be at war with about half the world. Funding stateless paramilitaries to attack your enemies for you is a centuries-old tactic that even we and our allies have done. That's not enough to qualify as a threat. As for the WMDs, I don't know if Hans Blix could have "kept him in line," but I do know that the weapons inspectors were making progress. Even if they weren't, there was still no justification for the US to unilaterally intervene. There was no clear and present danger to either us or any of our treaty partners.

Iran is a threat, but we've lost pretty much all our credibility and political and diplomatic capital in the Iraq fiasco. Saudi Arabia is another threat that deserves being taken out more than Saddam did (notice how many of the 9/11 hijackers were Saudi and how many were Iraqi). But since Saudi Arabia oh-so-conveniently has Mecca in it, we can't bring regime change there where it's needed without triggering an international jihad.

As for Israel, Israel has demonstrated time and time again that they can take care of themselves. Not once has any other nation, the US included, intervened to help Israel when attacked by its enemies. Why are things different now?

Russia has to be watched, I agree, and they should not be underestimated. They still have the capacity to incinerate the world a dozen times over, so that automatically makes them a great power. For the most part, and their history confirms this, they just want to be left alone and not have other countries interfering in their own affairs. Essentially, if we don't screw with them they won't screw with us. If they want Ukraine, let them have it. We have no obligation to defend Ukraine.

But as for democracy in Iraq, I'll believe it when I see it. There is only one democracy in the Middle East and that had to be imported from Europe and America.

Marvin Arlington| 8.25.09 @ 4:21PM

I can hear the cuckoo singing
In the cuckoo berry tree

Tim Tim| 8.25.09 @ 4:22PM

Reading through the comments there's a lot of folks calling other people and groups 'un-american' or anti-american. Which makes me curious: what is American in your mind(s)? Could you provide a list?

To be clear - I'm not requesting a list of what is 'anti-american' or unamerican. Simply the positive what does it mean to be American (obviously citizenship and voluntary continued residence in the country doesn't qualify in your books).

If you could - explicate as much as possible - after all, what you and I see as patriotic may be different. Ex: to me, helping others by, for example, volunteering at a soup kitchen or making sure that someone working 60 hours a week on minimum wage doesn't need to turn to federal assistance if their child gets seriously ill (long-term illness not a broken bone for the ER to set) is pretty darn patriotic. I would guess many readers of this site would, however, disagree.

wildwilly1111| 8.25.09 @ 4:24PM

"This effort to reshape the American psyche has nothing to do with healing the nation...The plan is to turn a "day of fear" that helps Republicans..."

So the Party of No becomes the Party of Fear. Quite the legacy!

And how exactly is keeping people in (largely misdirected) fear "healing the nation"?

David W.| 8.25.09 @ 4:25PM

> The plan is to turn a "day of fear" that helps
> Republicans into a day of activism called the
> National Day of Service that helps the left.

Direct from your own article. You were never interested in 9/11 as anything but a political bludgeon to help "your side". 3000 people died, and all you ever cared about were the politics of the issue. It's our REPUBLICAN day! You DEMOCRATS keep away!

I lost at least three colleagues that day including a person who was in the Windows of the World restaurant making a business presentation when the first plane hit. My cousin was injured and spent several weeks in the hospital. In fact, I had a friend who told me he could get me a job at Cantor Fitzgerald, but for various reasons decided not to pursue it. I could have been there.

Can you forget the politics for once in your life? Can you for once stop keeping political score? Can you stop the mudslinging?

If you were the true patriots you make yourselves out to be, you'd stop dissing any American whom just happen to have a somewhat different view from your own. I don't mind political disagreements. We all have our views, but this idea that one side represents the "True America" and the other side is out to destroy this country is itself tearing this country apart.

I am tired of the theatrics. I am tired of the bluster. All I want is for everyone to come together for once.

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 4:27PM

@halo
nieciedo you are an jack!#@

Nice to meet you, too.

Bill Clinton was impeached for LYING IN FEDERAL COURT. Not for getting a blowjob, get your brain out of the gutter.

I see we have no sense of humor. And in the light of history, it does not appear that he actually did lie.

When Congress puts on page 58 of the HC bill Page 58: Government will have real-time access to your bank accounts, individual’s finances and a National ID will be issued to everyone

Since the 4th AMENDMENT GUARANTEE"S MY RIGHT AGAINST ILLEGAL SEARCH AND SEIZURE I SAY WITH CONFIDENCE YOU SIR ARE A MORON

You might want to reassess your confidence, since none of what you have posted about the infamous page 58 of HR 3200 is actually true.

BTW, the government has had complete access to your personal information any time it wants since 2001. Remember that little thing called the USA PATRIOT Act?

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 4:29PM

@Tim Tim
Reading through the comments there's a lot of folks calling other people and groups 'un-american' or anti-american. Which makes me curious: what is American in your mind(s)? Could you provide a list?

I've been asking this same question for years, and I've never gotten an answer. My best guess, based on the information I've been able to glean, is that "un-American" means "anything the speaker happens to particularly dislike."

Bilwick| 8.25.09 @ 4:33PM

I don't know why the pro-freedom posters are bothering to argue with the statists. Cultists are beyond reasoning with, and members of the Cult of the State are not about to be argued away from their addiction to power and coercion. If someone's e stupid enought to believe that the State is his/her best friend, and that despite all the evidence of history and economics, giving more power to the State is the high road to Utopia, they're too stupid to waste time on. Not to mention that State-cultism is probably based on pathology, anyway, either sadism (the love of power and coercion) or masochism (the desire to be ruled). Might as well try to reason with the guy on the subway who thinks CIA agents ruled by Moon Men caused the Dick York/Dick Sargent "Darren" switch on BEWITCHED. And it sounds like that guy is already posting here.

j| 8.25.09 @ 4:37PM

I'm sorry but this article first shocked me (by the title, you'd think the end of the world was near), but after reading it, it made me laugh. What is so wrong with making a national day of service on the date of 9/11? What is wrong with taking something evil and reforming it into something beautiful? I did not vote for Obama and do not support many of his ideas, but this is what annoyed me when Bush was in office--the left griped and whined and made fun of every single thing he did and it just got old. Let's report some real news here, people. This is rather pathetic.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 4:45PM

I wanted to be done but I have to say something in response nieciedo because what he said about Russia (former Soviet Union) is so ridiculous it must be rebutted. What history are you referring too? The history written by Soviet apologists? Quite a few of those in academia though I think most everyone who is willing to understand the truth knows it was nothing but lies and distortions of history that commies specialize in (like the Nazi's being their ideological opposite). Tell that line about them them just wanting to be left alone to people in former Soviet Republics like in Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, etc and you better have your guard up because they might kick you in the head for saying something so stupid. In all due respect, you sounds like a real cowardly pacifist that thinks we should sit around and watch the world burn and let murderous dictators do as they please. I guess you could call that the Obama Doctrine.

NobamaNetwork| 8.25.09 @ 4:47PM

What's next? A required bowing to Mecca 5 times a day? Is there anyone out there who still believes Obama is an American, not muslim, and loves this country?

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 5:06PM

@Todd:
I wanted to be done but I have to say something in response nieciedo because what he said about Russia (former Soviet Union) is so ridiculous it must be rebutted. What history are you referring too? The history written by Soviet apologists?

Nope. Russia has been invaded more times that you can count and each one has left a scar on the Russian national psyche. From the Golden Horde to Hitler, it was the same old bloody story over and over again. It was not until the 20th century, though, that they had the industrial and military might to do something about that.

Quite a few of those in academia though I think most everyone who is willing to understand the truth knows it was nothing but lies and distortions of history that commies specialize in Tell that line about them them just wanting to be left alone to people in former Soviet Republics like in Poland, Czech Republic, Hungary, etc and you better have your guard up because they might kick you in the head for saying something so stupid.

Did you never wonder why Stalin thought it necessary to have a buffer zone of sattelite states between them and Western Europe?

In all due respect, you sounds like a real cowardly pacifist that thinks we should sit around and watch the world burn and let murderous dictators do as they please. I guess you could call that the Obama Doctrine.

HAHAHAHAH! Me, a cowardly pacifist? Me, who has argued on not a few occasions that Saudi Arabia should be nuked into radioactive glass, that Israel should bulldoze Gaza into the sea, that terror suspects should not be tortured but put down like the rabid dogs they are? You've got a lot to learn, kid :)

Thanks for the laugh!

nieciedo| 8.25.09 @ 5:08PM

@NobamaNetwork:
What's next? A required bowing to Mecca 5 times a day? Is there anyone out there who still believes Obama is an American, not muslim, and loves this country?

Yeah, that's irrefutable logic. Community service and volunteerism is surely the first step on the road to Shari'a theocracy.

I have not seen any evidence to indicate that Obama is not an American, that he is a Muslim, or that he does not love this country. Can you cite any?

I thought not.

Jon| 8.25.09 @ 5:17PM

I actually saw very little in this article that turned the "specious" 9/11 memorial planning sessions into a nefarious conclave for the destruction of said day. If you're a Republican, please don't run out and distribute this conspiratorial piece of garbage to each and every one of your friends and neighbors. Wait until you know the facts, and the "secrets" that are being disseminated in the private meeting halls. While we Republicans are at the task of clamping our mouths until we know the truth, we should perhaps get on board with adding the invaluable act of service to a day on which we thoughtfully remember. The best way to remember our lost is to come to the aid of our neighbor and build America back up from the ground. Actually, a day of service sounds like a phenomenal idea! I don't see why we can't turn 9/11 into a day of service and love for our country instead of quiet, pacifistic remorse with a tinge of subdued anger. We should WATCH what the Dems are doing, and very closely; however, this article has failed to prove anything of consequence and should thus not be treated as gospel.

BOB2| 8.25.09 @ 5:28PM

Where do you find so many psycopathic personalities to write such lunatic fringe nonsense, and why do you think they are somehow conservatives?

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 5:32PM

I really have no idea what else you have said previously but I find it odd that you would be so opposed to removing Saddam from power but advocate nuclear war against Saudi Arabia. I guess if you want Armageddon, we could do that. Do I need to tell you Pakistan has nuclear weapons? That would be lunacy. So maybe I should apologize for referring to you as a pacifist when you are just a lunatic instead. Laugh like a lunatic if you like.

You really have a soft spot for Russia don't you? You are aware they formed an alliance with Hitler before he turned on them so I can't really see them as the victim. Hitler decided to turn on Stalin before he did because no doubt Stalin would have done so knowing him. Are you of Russia heritage or something? Please enlighten me on why Stalin would need a "buffer zone" in Europe? I believe hearing something about communists seeking world domination under the Soviet Union with a little help from the Red Chinese. I guess he was really worried about those Finnish, they could have invaded at any moment.

No evidence of Obama being a Muslim? How about the fact that his natural father was a Muslim and his adopted father was a Muslim as well and that he surely attended Mosque as a child living in Indonesia. Now I can accept there is no evidence that he considers himself a Muslim now and calls himself a Christian (though of the Rev Wright variety and doesn't seem to be looking to hard for another Church to attend). The only thing Obama worships is himself, God is just some abstraction he cannot be bothered with.
I can give you plenty of evidence that Obama associating himself very closely with anti-American radicals (Frank Davis, William Ayers, Wright, etc) and as the old saying goes, you are the company you keep.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 5:38PM

For the record, I would agree with Jon and I think this article is jumping the gun a bit and there are far worse things going on that should claim our attention. Something to keep an eye out for though, you never know what these leftist radicals will get up to. Like Holder announcing that the CIA will now be investigated after Obama had attempted to play down the matter down a few months back. Nazi Pelosi no doubt is working behind the scenes in attacking the CIA to placate her far-left wacko base that is San Francisco.

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 5:42PM

How DARE Obama!! I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK!! Enough with the Nazi policies, Barack Hitler! This is outrageous. First the libs turn this country into communist russia, now this?!?! Maybe its time we call this place the United States of Hitler! I want my country back!!!!!!!

justin| 8.25.09 @ 5:48PM

Watching from outside the US, I have to say you're extremist right-wing views (just look at these totally oddball fanatical comments!) are no different to what you'd expect on some Middle-Eastern website.

People really swallow the whole right / left ranty division? Talk about pointless conversations...

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 5:51PM

justin - you don't get it. THEY have our country and i want my country BACK. THEY have also taken our holiday! 9/11 is OUR day. It is like hitler came back to life. I want my country and 9/11 back!!!!

rabblerabble| 8.25.09 @ 5:54PM

The plan is to turn a "day of fear" that helps Republicans into a day of activism called the National Day of Service that helps the left. In other words, nihilistic liberals are planning to drain 9/11 of all meaning.

"They think it needs to be taken back from the right," said the source. "They're taking that day and they're breaking it because it gives Republicans an advantage. To them, that day is a fearful day."

... did you read this before you put it up?

Richard Baker| 8.25.09 @ 5:59PM

The US was founded by Revolutionaries and their descendants still live. Keep your powder dry.

To: Justin
From: America
Shut up.

Mike H| 8.25.09 @ 6:08PM

Without revealing the "source" who has knowledge of the teleconference, this article reads like something out of a tabloid and has zero credibility. The second half of the article is all speculation.

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 6:18PM

I WANT MY COUNTRY BACK FROM ACORN! Registering people to vote? More like registering people for Obama Hitler death camps! Obama took our country now he is trying to take our 9/11. I will celebrate 9/11 however I want, like I celebrate it every year. That is my day, not Stalin obama's or acorns!!

Lame Cherry| 8.25.09 @ 6:29PM

As the American Spectator proves the point that Mr. Obama and Axelrod Inc. are bastardizing the memory of 9 11 in making a national service day, the tip of the iceberg question is then.......
Just what other nefarious manipulations are off the radar which people have not noticed yet that have been implemented?

What are all of these petty czars which Mr. Obama installed without any Congressional oversight really signing into law without anyone in Congress knowing what these various departments are up to?

For those who squibble about this being right or left wing, there is a long list of illegal mandates which have surfaced in 2008 from Mr. Obama's people telling South American leaders he would be in the White House to the things the neo syrian Palestinians were promised by Obama's people in illegal policy which leaked out.

There are patterns here in this game of Mr. Obama in the "big circus" of while everyone is watching the elephants, there are people letting the lions loose from the cages.

Duplicity is catching. Mr. Obama humiliated Gordon Brown and now Gordon Brown released the Lockerbie terrorist to have a reckoning with Mr. Obama.
Note that point, Mr. Obama has been making peace with "good" terrorists while slaughtering "bad" terrorists, now Mr. Brown has curried favor with all terrorists by releasing the one mass murderer in captivity of Americans.

What else has Mr. Obama been implementing and what else are other leaders mirroring and how many American are being placed in jeopardy from these draconian policies.

ONTIME| 8.25.09 @ 6:33PM

There is much to discuss here and mainly we are depending on reclaiming the forefront to stop this wave of socialist inudation that has been put in place by those who simply did not like the last administration and were given a lousy choice for a avenue to the future by a party on the right that let the American public down.

Now it's time to look at this mistake we call a POTUS and work to replace he and his crew of thieves the problem is I don't think anyone realizes just how hard core these folks are going to be. We depend upon an election a process of casting a vote and abiding by the results, well, we did that and now we have to do it again and I don't think it is going to be the normal mellow process we have had in the past, all signs point to real confrontation and threats of violence. There is movement afoot to stifle gun ownership, free speech, intimidation, intervention of the voting process, anyone out there care to guess why?

If you don't believe what I just wrote then you are not paying attention and it is your kind they are counting on to resume and continue to rule. Life in America is going to get rather rough.

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 6:39PM

I had mentioned that I want my country back but i forgot to mention that I also want my guns back. Obama Stalin didn't take my guns directly, but he took my country and my guns were in my country, so that means he took my guns... I want my country AND MY GUNs bakc!!! GIVE THEM BACK, HITLER!

William F. Buckley| 8.25.09 @ 6:43PM

It seems like the Spectator is just trolling for pageviews here. This article is drivel. I thought the Spectator was a platform for, you know, respectable, reasoned conservative dialogue. Now we know better.

Lawrence Bullock| 8.25.09 @ 6:52PM

Did you really say "a day of fear that helps Republicans"? As a conservative, I am ashamed today, for you and for my ideology.

John| 8.25.09 @ 7:15PM

When will reason prevail again in this country over mindless sloganering? People on the right and the people on the left--F*ck your politics and let's move this country forward. There is nothing wrong with a day of service to remember who we are , what happened on 9-11, and giving back to a country that has been so great to ALL of us. Let us honor the dead form that day in a meaningful way. Each of us should sacrifice something, even if it is only one day of service to our great country. Just stop with the partisan BS. If one side wins, half the country still loses. That's a pyrrhic victory. We all still lose.

Whatever happened to the golden rule, helping others less fortunate, and doing the right thing?
I think America stands for these things. If your an American, you should too.

notcrazy| 8.25.09 @ 7:32PM

You people are craaaaazy. Republicans have been accused of fear-mongering ever since 9/11 and now you all are basically admitting to it and saying you're proud of it. It is out of kindness that I assume you are legitimately crazy and not just shockingly stupid.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 7:32PM

Egan Foote is a plant from a leftist troll. Usually when there is some demented poster who claims to be a conservative, it is a plant. One of the tactics these leftist trolls use to try to discredit conservatives and honest debate. It could be the same person that makes some outrageous comment and then condemns conservatives under a different name being the deceitfuls little jerks they are.

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 7:38PM

If I had to guess, Egan Foote and Lawrence Bullock is the same poster and maybe even notcrazy. Probably just a couple jerkoff trolls using different names sent here from some George Soros group.

notcrazy| 8.25.09 @ 7:46PM

Hello. Notcrazy here. I'm not anyone else (neither Egan nor Lawrence). I've actually never been on this site before today, but I'm adding it to my RSS feed because it is the best entertainment I've found in a while. My friends and I often enjoy talking about the wacko things we've heard extreme right-wing-types say, and now I've found an amazing source of material!

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 7:50PM

dont question me, todd. i am no phony like oba-hitler. just a concerned american who wants my country and guns back!! todd, let's not fight, we are on the same team. the AMERICAN team.

no one should do any service on 9/11. that will show barack ostalin. our day, our guns, our country. we cannot let him take it away with his death book.

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 7:53PM

did anyone see the white house released barack hitler's reading list? you cant believe anything these nazis say. he is probably reading the communist and festo and his death book.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 7:58PM

"After the 9/11 attacks, we as a Nation had to respond to the threat/attacks that now confronted us."

Iraq did not attack us and posed no threat.

"But who do you attack after 9/11, when there is no “One” country that attacked us"

You attack Al Qaeda and destroy the government that harbored them - the Taliban. Once you are done, you leave.

"So no “One” Islamic Country is the bad guy here either, but it’s every Islamic Country in the World where the bad guys live."

They live in every Western country as well. Those countries are not the "bad guy". We are talking about the real world, not professional wrestling.

"What do you do now?"

You attack Al Qaeda and destroy the government that harbored them - the Taliban. Once you are done, you leave.

"Would Saudi Arabia have been a better choice for us to attack as the enemy?"

I do not know that the gov't of Saudi Arabia harbored and aided Al Qaeda. I DO know that Iraq DID NOT.

"So I think we can agree upon this one assumption, Al Qaeda is the entity that attacked America that day (Radical Islam). Could we agree to that S.L.?"

No we can not agree to that nonsense. Al Qaeda is an entity. Radical Islam is a name for for a group of different ideas.

"So if radical Islam, and the organizations that spring up from this religion is the problem, then that’s the enemy correct?"

Incorrect. The enemy that attacked us on 9/11 was Al Qaeda. Radical Islam is a term encompassing a group of different ideas and cannot be an "enemy".

"But it’s not just “One” Country in the Islamic World, it’s the organizations within all of them that is the enemy"

The enemy that attacked us on 9/11 was Al Qaeda. Al Qaeda were neither harbored nor supported by Iraq. Material ties between Al Qaeda and Iraq have been *conclusively* discredited.

"So what do we do? Do we start bombing every Islamic country that has Jihad training bases in them? Well, I’ve got to tell you, we would’ve been attacking almost all the Islamic Countries around the World then, because they’re everywhere. So instead of doing that, we picked the Battleground for them, Iraq."

Wrong. The Iraqi government was a secular one. Any threat that ever came from Iraq was NOT due to Radical Islam but from its secular government and the head of that secular government, Saddam Hussein - a threat which we had neutralized and which ceased to exist long before we invaded.

"So the threat of the Iraqi WMD was our reason for going in there in the first place"

The reason *given*.

"but we had to sell it to everybody on the Global stage somehow"

Wrong. Since we did not need to conquer Iraq we had no need to "sell" the conquest. There was no just cause for war against Iraq, as I have demonstrated, and you have failed to even imply one.

"and that was our reasoning. And then after the initial invasion, we sat back and waited patiently for our enemies to come to us, and come, they did. So sorry Iraq, but that’s what you really were to us, you’re the Battlefield of this Jihad War. You didn’t start this War against us, but you are where we decided to fight this War"

Then by your own definition the Iraq War was unjustified by Just War theory and by international law as made domestic law by treaties signed by the United States - what you are decribing is an atrocity - a war crime. According to your fantastical story George W Bush is a War Criminal. Even when you invent a story out of thin air you cannot find a way to excuse that "man".

"Afghanistan might have been the better choice you say? Well we went straight into Afghanistan after 9/11, but we’re not as stupid as we look, we know the terrain in that Country would work against us, and it still does. You don’t let your enemy chose the Battlefield for you, unless of course you like the choice they made, and we don’t like Afghanistan as our Battlefield. So Iraq is just a better Battleground for us to fight in, instead of the entire Islamic World. And since the War in Iraq began in 2003, we’ve been killing the best Islamic Jihad fighter’s, that Mohammad and Allah has to offer us (PBUH). You see, they fell right into our little trap called Iraq."

This is pure fantasy - sheer invention. You have simply made up this justification in your head and there is no evidence to support it. I appreciate your imagination but fun little stories you invent aren't really germane to this conversation.

"I’m not going to get into the wiretapping argument here with you. We both agree that we should be listening in on our enemies. Our difference is, you want it done “by” the book more, and I’m a little bit more flexible on this issue"

The difference here is that I believe in the Rule of Law and the American Constitution, whereas you believe that the government should be bound by no laws whatsoever and should be allowed to spy on law abiding American citizens with no oversight or due process. That is the difference between an American and a totalitarian.

"In this World of disposable Cell Phones today, getting a legal wiretap-warrant might be a wee bit too slow in keeping up with the bad guys. I could be wrong about this, but the original warrant you’d get is for the original phone, not the one they moved onto"

Yes you are wrong about this - our intelligence services may tap the phone of any terrorist suspect anywhere on the globe at any second and apply AFTERWARDS for a warrant. I already explained this.

"And another reason why I don’t want to argue this point too much with you, I think you know a lot more about this topic than I do (FISA). So I’d only be bullshitting you, by defending my position too much here, trying to pretend that I’m an expert on this subject (I’m not)"

Well, that's honest and sensible. You should admit the same about the Iraq War and hit a library. The Iraq War was not a fight against Radical Islam - the Iraq War freed Radical Islam to run amuck all over Iraq and converted people to their cause. It RADICALIZED them. The Iraq War CREATED radical Islamic terroists THAT DID NOT EXIST BEFORE. It also cost us the lives of more Americans than Bin Laden did on 9/11. Can't you see that you are bending over backwards, creating fictional storylines and falling all over yourself to justify this war? Ask yourself why you're doing that, seriously.

"But I really do believe, that by the time you got the proper warrants for your surveillance, you’d have already missed your opportunity to destroy your prey"

*sigh*

Under FISA our intelligence services may tap the phone of any terrorist suspect anywhere on the globe at any second and apply AFTERWARDS for a warrant.

"So if you say the laws already in place (pre 9/11), still would’ve worked for us to counter our enemy, okay then"

I did not and never have said that. I said that in 2001 *after 9/11* the GOP congress amended FISA to George Bush's specifications to address the problems you mention. When *George W Bush* signed it into law he - president *George W Bush* said that FISA was perfectly equipped to deal with the "new realities and dangers posed by modern terrorists", and allowed "surveillance of all communications used by terrorists, including e-mails, the Internet, and cell phones".

"You got a little bit wacky to me, towards the end of your Post/Book. I never said we would be justified to attack, Belgium, Switzerland, or France"

You did not say it, no, but you implied that 9/11 gave the U.S. just cause to retaliate against countries that had nothing to do with 9/11 or with Al Qaeda (Iraq). Using that logic we would have been justified in attacking Belgium, Switzerland and France in retaliation.

"But we were justified to attack Radical Islam"

No we weren't - one cannot attack *an idea*. And Saddam Hussein was, by NO ONE'S definition, a "radical Islamist". The man was a degraded secular hedonist dictator - a warlord. We were justified in attacking *Al Qaeda*. Al Qaeda were not in Iraq, nor did Iraq harbor or support them. That is no longer in contention.

"and once again, sorry to Iraq, but we used that Country and the WMD excuse, as our mousetrap, nothing more, nothing less"

Again, that is a fantasy you pulled out of nowhere. And if in the future America ever does such a monstrous, evil thing - destroy a country and slaughter hundreds of thousands of civilians to create a "mouse trap" - then that would be a war atrocity of the most degraded, dishonorable, monstrous sort.

"Our enemy is not prevalent in Switzerland to my knowledge, but he is everywhere in the Middle East, and Iraq is its heart and soul of Islam"

Oh my God. LLL - do me a favor, please, and read more about this. Iraq - Jesus you seem like a nice guy and I really wish you'd look into this - Iraq is NOT "the heart and soul of Islam", nor did we attack it because the Radical Islam there posed some sort of threat. It was a secular country where Radical Islam was brutally suppressed by its dictator. Iraq had NOTHING to do with 9/11. Iraq had a secular government and it was only after we destroyed the country and slaughtered its people - its civilians, its women and children - that it became "radicalized". Wouldn't you become radicalized if, say, some fictional Islamic power were attacked by the Germans and, in retaliation, that fictional Islamic power destroyed your country and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of *Americans* - your countrymen, your friends and family - TO CREATE A FUCKING MOUSETRAP?

You just don't really know what you're talking about. You have a storyline in your head and you're making up bits and pieces so it all makes sense, but it bears no relation to reality. I'm sorry, but even you know this in your heart. I understand that "America is the greatest country on earth and a Force For Good" is a nice, comforting thought that's hard to let go of, but you must - MUST - realize that this is why you're contorting yourself to fabricate a storyline in which America is the Good Guy, and that it's the ONLY REASON.

And that's not good enough of a reason, friend. OVER FOUR THOUSAND American boys died in that hellhole - had their arms and legs blown off. People's sons died choking on their own blood, have been paralyzed for life, have been burnt so bad they are now walking horror-shows - FOUR THOUSAND OF THEM. You owe them more than making up a story in your head to justify their deaths. You owe them - and those who serve after them, who will some day be sent to die for another criminal farce - THE TRUTH.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:12PM

You know, I honestly think people who are afraid of ACORN are even more absurd than - *shudder* - the "birthers". And neither have any idea how clownish they appear.

And good god, is there anything the Fox News right doesn't cower from in terror? ACORN, Obama, "Marxism", Obamacare, The Terrorists, "Islamofascists", etc. Is there any group of people anywhere on earth more chicken than the Fox News right? What a bunch of cowardly cry babies, hiding under their beds from ACORN, shivering in terror, forking over their liberties to a Daddy State to tuck them in at night and Keep Them Safe from The Terrorists.

George Washington would VOMIT if he learned what feeble-hearted, servile cowards his countrymen have become.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 8:13PM

To Tom Fay only (others just butt out):

"And the fuel tanks aren't just some empty cavities in the wings. They're very tough, rubber bags, called cells, that are self sealing for all but large ruptures. It's highly unlikely that a pistol-caliber bullet would penetrate the cabin wall, upper wing skin, top side of the bag and the fuel, and still be carrying enough kinetic energy to make it through the bottom of the bag & out the bottom wing skin."

I know for a fact that there are many wet-wing fuel tanks in jet aircraft - I mean, no bladders. I have dealt with bladder type tanks only with small aircraft, but I don't doubt what you say about this. For the wet-wing types, there may be some type of self-sealant layer, but the aluminum itself is the tank (or really, tanks, plural, of course).

Secondly, you write about the decompression scenario - I think you should have addressed your post to the nitwit that I was replying to (maybe you didn't take time to read all the comments above mine, and who can really blame you?). You are wrong that one engine's bleed air is only a back up - in normal flight, bleed air from both engines is used to run the air conditioning packs. True, one pack, or one engine can keep the plane pressurized, but not up to the service ceiling (at least from a/c I know).

One of the worries you didn't bring up wrt an in-cabin shoot-out (well, should say cockpit here) is the panel. With a modern, glass cockpit, I believe you could have more problems than with the old steam gauges. At least with the old stuff, you'll have a lot of instruments left with a lot of shots fired. If someone shot out all six tubes, I could see real trouble (I'm picturing CRT's still, and I really am not completely sure how an LCD screen would take a bullet - would it still have a partial display?) Of course, things would have to be pretty far gone already if 6 shots have been fired in the cockpit; that brings up the whole idea of armed citizens in the back. Oh, yeah, we both agree on that ;-)

I do know what doublers are and what a crack-resistant structure is. You may be preaching to the choir. Preach on, brother! ;-)

Thank you for your good information. I would still say, no matter what the final result is (shot-up wiring, shot-up panel, cracked fuselage, and aircraft down to 10,000 ft., the people in NYC will be safe, and that is all they seem to care about anyway.

It is nice to hear from an engineer, Mr. Fay.

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 8:16PM

SL - you just dont get it. they are taking our LIBERTY. wake up and fight to get your country back. obama stalin is not even from OUR country! i hope you like russia because that is where you will be living soon but it will be called the USA. that is if your name isnt in obamas death book.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:18PM

"There is nothing wrong with a day of service to remember who we are , what happened on 9-11, and giving back to a country that has been so great to ALL of us."

Does "ALL of us" include the four thousand dead American soldiers sent far from the country they were sworn to defend to conquer a country that posed no threat? I'm sure America has been "so great" to them. It seems more like America took them for granted, and valued them little if at all.

These men were sworn to defend our Constitution and way of life and were sent to die doing something else. One does not waste the things one values.

Donna R| 8.25.09 @ 8:19PM

Please join your local 912 Project groups at Meetup.com

LarryG| 8.25.09 @ 8:19PM

Mr. S.L. Toddard ( or is the dodderd?)
It's obvious you are into your own Alice in Wonderland self delusion. What do you do for a living(?)?. You haven't seen shit! I have. Shut up!, pussy! Sounds like you went to Cal. Remember the Gulf War, dickweed? Please, enlighten us. Who started that? And? If you actually have achieved a degree in anything but assholio, go get your money back - you got fucked.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:21PM

^^ that should read, obviously, "I'm NOT sure America has been "so great" to them"

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 8:22PM

"And the center tank is usually the one they run out first, in order to keep a more even strain on the wing structure."

I don't think that's the reason. The reason it is run out first is to make sure that the fuel in that tank is usable. I mean that, if center tank fuel is used first (by pumping it into the main (wing) tanks, which is how it works) the crew doesn't have to worry later about whether that fuel will make it to the engines or not.

You use the word "strain" instead of "load" (or "stress"). You are starting to make me wonder, Mr. Fay, if you are an engineer or not. It would not be about an "even strain" [sic "load"] either. I know about my reasons, but it could also be to lower the wing loading a small bit (of course the main tank fuel puts a load on the wing, but it points an opposite-direction moment around the wing-fuselage joint than the lift load, which is good). There is nothing about evening anything out, load-wise.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 8:27PM

WAS: "... it points an opposite-direction ..."
S/B" " ... it puts an opposite-direction ..."

Where are those Spectator editors when you need em? Off, writing political rants, I guess. In Hillyer's terms: "Jeeesh!"

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:39PM

Did anyone bother to read the post from David Paine above, detailing how and why and by whom the Day of Service came to be?

"Hi,
I am the president of the 9/11 Day of Service and Remembrance, which Jay Winuk and I helped to co-found following the terrorist attacks. On 9/11 Jay lost his brave brother Glenn, an attorney and volunteer EMT in the collapse of the south World Trade Center tower. Shortly thereafter Jay and I, along with the leaders of all 22 of the 9/11 family member and support groups came together to create this observance as a forward-looking way for all of us, and the nation to forever remember the lives of those lost and injured, and pay tribute to the many who rose in service following the attacks and continue to do so today as members of our Armed Forces. We have worked closely for more than seven years on a bi-partisan basis with Republicans and Democrats alike, conservatives and liberals. And this year thankfully, we finally achieved our mutual goal when Congress, in a broad bi-partisan vote, passed legislation that provided federal recognition for the first time of September 11 as a National Day of Service and Remembrance – a very proper and official affirmation of something that hundreds of thousands of people from all 50 states and 170 countries have observed informally since 2002. We just wanted to set the record straight that this is not, in any way, a government initiative created by President Obama or any government official. We want to make it clear to all concerned that this is an entirely privately-funded, nonprofit observance, nearly unanimously supported by the Left, Middle and Right. This article in American Spectator, which was written by blogger who is not a 9/11 family member and who never contacted the 9/11 families to find out what they wanted 9/11 to become , raises important points but also attempts to do the very thing that it criticizes -- to politicize 9/11. It seeks to improperly and unfairly drag the 9/11 families into a much broader political disagreement that exists between those with differing views of how this country should be run. Some of these issues have great merit of course, but the 9/11 National Day of Service isn't one of the. The 9/11 National Day of Service and Remembrance is a wonderful, patriotic, and constructive observance created by the 9/11 community. It basically tells Osama bin Laden that we will not accept the legacy that he hopes to pass onto to children for generations to come -- solely the visions of death and destruction that he created. This is our chance to take back the day, and ensure as a gift to the families that something positive arises from the ashes of 9/11. Accordingly, we respectfully request that 9/11 not be used any further by either side of the political spectrum to inspire anger, further political agendas, or create destructive divisions between well-meaning and in some cases heart-broken people. Doing so represents to us the true desecration of the day, and worse, it dishonors the many brave patriots who gave their lives and rose in service on 9/11 and afterwards.

Your friends, David & Jay"

It was founded and organized by 9/11 families. The Fox News Right fears even the victims of 9/11 now.

I'm trying to imagine a thing that wouldn't strike terror in the weak hearts of the Fox News Right. Barney the Dinosaur? A dandelion? A pink cartoon bunny? How about lint? Does lint cause you people to run shrieking to your Little Flag Jars to grab a couple little flags and start waving them until your Patriotism makes the scaries go bye-bye?

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 8:40PM

"Shut up!, pussy!" Hey! Watch your language, Larry. Nobody should use the word "pussy" on this web site, unless they are referring to one of the authors.

Also, Toddard is right on. If I had signed up for the US armed forces, I'd have done so with the expectation of defending the United States, not people of a foreign country (no matter how nice and defenseless they may be).

Face it, this crap about saving the Iraqi people from the evil Saddam is BS. Yeah, the guy was a monster - there are lots of em. Unless the US was in imminent danger (which I don't believe), we have no business sending soldiers over there. Read some Pat Buchanan (yeah, he knows a lot of history, and he maintains the U.S. should go back to being a Republic, not an Empire (Pat's words)).

As someone mentioned we were over in the Persian Gulf back in the 1980's to keep Iraqis and Iranians from killing each other. WHY? Someone tell me why the F we were doing that, and yes, it was my man Ronnie who was president at that time (another strike against him, that and the drug war).

When the Russians and the Chinese or the Chinese and the Vietnamese or any number of combinations of 2 of our enemies fighting each other, did we intervene to save the common people? Hell, no. Why did we do that in the middle east? Let them fight it out. We cannot save the whole world! If you want to try, do it on a personal basis as a Christian missionary. Don't get your whole country involved.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:40PM

"Mr. S.L. Toddard ( or is the dodderd?)"

It's spelled "dotard" you illiterate ape.

S.L. Toddard| 8.25.09 @ 8:44PM

"We cannot save the whole world! If you want to try, do it on a personal basis as a Christian missionary. Don't get your whole country involved."

Hm. A sane, sensible and well informed Conservative... on AmSpec?

We've just doubled our numbers... to two!

Nice work, Mr. L.

Dave Lincoln| 8.25.09 @ 8:47PM

Oh, Larry about the 1st Gulf War. No, we didn't start it. Yes, it was about oil. No, not about us taking the oil, as we are truly not the type of country to do something like that. It was about securing the flow of oil to the US and many other nations.

If you think the Kuwaitis are all grateful and lovey-dovey to us for having saved them back in 1991, think again. They aren't. The middle east (with the exception of the Israelis) is full of people who could not organize themselves into a democracy or non-corrupt country of any kind even with our help. It is a lost cause, as was Africa.

We (the US) and other western countries need to realize that there are certain areas of the world best left along, unless one is a Christian missionary or a slave trader. The people definitely NEED help, but, they can't USE our help, they won't APPRECIATE our help, and, in fact, they will use the EXCUSE of our help to explain their sorry-ass condition 50 years later (see the Spectator article on Kenya about a week back.)

Todd| 8.25.09 @ 8:48PM

Egan,
A word of advice is you are not a plant, let up on the hysteria. Obama is bad news for lots of reasons but screaming he is Hitler just makes you look absurd. We will defeat Obama and he is going down in flames because he is nothing but an empty socialist suit. Doesn't mean things are going to get messed up in the mean time but lets keep it together and act rationally, we are nowhere close to Nazi Gremany or Soviet Russia. I would suggest reading Liberal Fascism by Jonah Goldberg and Liberty and Tyranny by Mark Levin and get yourself better informed to make rational comments. You are not adding anything to this forum at this moment with hysteria.

You just knew at some point SL Toddard would be back with a diatrabe. I doubt anyone will bother reading through all that, just alot of angry wasted words.. When you start writing comments that go on for pages, you have lost the plot.

TFT| 8.25.09 @ 9:07PM

I am impressed with what seems to be mostly punctuated, almost lucid, nearly readable, approaching grammatically correct drivel by those I assumed, apparently wrongly, were, as S.L. Toddard so eloquently put it, illiterate ape[s].

You are actually semi-literate apes!

Egan Foote| 8.25.09 @ 9:09PM

todd - you just dont get it. look around. we are not on our way to nazi russia, we are there already!! obama wants the governments hands on everything like my parents medicare!! great obama hitler, just let my parents die. then ill vote for you!! thats not change i can believe in. keep government out of healthcare, nazi. take over medicare in your own country, bahitler!!

Grannie | 8.25.09 @ 10:02PM

I believe this President has LOST HIS MIND... No matter what HE who thinks he is GOD, calls September 11, this day will always be a day of Mourning for those 3,000+ innocents who lost their lives, and the lives of those left behind to mourn...I had no one die that day, but I mourned for our Country, that we could be attacked in such a way, that people in other parts of the world hated Americans so much, they were willing to die to kill others..... Hang on to your bomb shelters, guns and ammo....we may have to Protect Ourselves from these Haters of America, because certainly, our current President will NEVER PROTECT US............ He wants to make our enemies our "patty=cake, patty=cake playmates, our sweet neighbors, our good countrymen"... Well, Terror is still terror, no matter the name, WAR on TERROR is still a war on terror no matter the name...changing a NAME does not change the FACTS...........GOD BLESS AMERICA, AMERICANS, PRAY FOR OUR COUNTRY.

butterfly| 8.25.09 @ 10:27PM

As if the Obama administration hasn't spat in the faces of the 9/11 families enough. I'm not shocked. I knew he was a monster but the majority of this country allowed this man to pull wool over their eyes and now we have a man in the White House who wants to erase the memory of the day that changed all of us. If Obama gets his way,60 years from now, just like the D-Day anniversary-the youth of that time won't know 9/11 from any other day of the week. I don't know about you but I want my unborn children to know what 9/11 was.

tailgunner| 8.25.09 @ 10:43PM

Typical Stalinist revisionism by an administration and a President who literally detests his own country.

Obama has declared war upon his own citizenry. If he is not stopped he will continue to seize and hold unchecked power as a tyrant.

There will be no end to the left's insults, crimes, outrages and abuses until the American people revolt.

mmmurph| 8.25.09 @ 11:03PM

After reading these comments, I now truly believe the saying,"Do not underestimate stupid people in large numbers"

Joshua| 8.25.09 @ 11:06PM

Day of National service my eye!Its a day of infamy just like Pearl Harbour.But nooooo the American Left starts debating and dithering.Ron Paul is really starting to look good right about now.

Original Teabagger| 8.25.09 @ 11:09PM

Sorry to interrupt the WalMart Republican circle-jerk here, but Obama isn't the antichrist. Your hate and ignorance are the forces we truly need to fear. Whenever you run around screaming, calling people 'Hitler' and the like, you are admitting to already losing the argument -- you have nothing real to say. I don't care if it's Obama or Bush you're talking about. doing so exposes an ignorance and stupidity so deep, you have nothing real to contribute to the discussion; you have no respect for our armed forces or understanding of American and world history. So, to quote lil' Bill O'Reilly, just shut up.

Rube Slapper| 8.25.09 @ 11:20PM

C'mon rubes! Don't give up so easily!

Jorge J| 8.25.09 @ 11:47PM

I know where I plan to be on 9/11, I will be at ground zero in solidarity with all of those open minded and honest enough to research and find out that 9/11 was an inside job. Anyone who has ever seen footage of building 7 collapsing and does not recognize it as a controlled demolition is either lying to himself in denial or a moron. And I'm not a leftist, I'm a Pat Buchanan supporting Republican, one who is honest enough to look at the facts.

Citizen Sane| 8.25.09 @ 11:52PM

As a firefighter, I am appalled that this administration would change the meaning of this day, the day my brothers gave their all for people they didn't know. In my heart, it will always be a day to remember what selfless sacrifice means--one that is not motivated by politics or ideology. What all these community organizers and greenies are doing on the surface may look noble, but the insidious underbelly and undercurrent of the founders of these organizations should cause great pause as it does me. No, I'm not a member of FDNY, but I am bonded in brotherhood to these brave ones who gave no consideration as to who needed help, whether or not they could put out the fire--they just went. Re-name or re-purpose 9-11? Have you asked those to whom it matters most--the firefighters and those loved ones who remain?

jeanne| 8.26.09 @ 2:09AM

The right-wing nutjobs continue to rewrite history.

Bush donated to ACORN, too.

There were 21 Bin Ladens in the country on 9/11 that were given protection by Bushie, (one even at the White House the next day smoking stogies on the balcony with Bush) and were the only ones (other than armed forces) allowed to fly the following days. They were given protection to get out of the country and the FBI was ticked that they weren't allowed to question ANY of them.
So much for the search for Bin Laden.

Bushie ignored intelligence that a 9/11 attack was imminent. Wonder why?

Bush attacked a country that did NOTHING to us on 9/11 but there are still whackadoodles out there who insist Iraq still attacked us, even with proof that they did nothing. Our soldiers were sent to war over oil. Period. It turned out to be tougher to win that heartless Cheney thought it would be.

Bush-whack tanked our economy, not Obama.

Incredible that a society of instant gratification suckers want a resolution of everything from a guy who's been in the WH just a few months but expected nothing from the dumbass that was in there for 8 years.

What a bunch of mindless, thoughtless, fear-provoking chicken shits. Are any of you capable of thinking for yourselves instead of letting Faux News do it for you???

I'll never come to this rag site again.

Real America| 8.26.09 @ 2:36AM

Seriously...I would have thought that at some point you'd tire yourselves out with the constant false outrage. Really, the endurance is impressive. Marching in the same place, yelling and screaming every time your narrow worlds change; I feel sorry for you Republicans, really I do. It's gotten to the point that every time I click a link to some wingnut blog...spittle flies at my screen from the apoplectic antics. You guys are like babies, you were slapped on your asses last year and you can't stop crying. 9/11 lost all of its relevance to most Americans (yes, Real Americans, you're not more American if you constantly feed at the trough of outrage and fear) the day Rudy Guiliani and others like him used it as a punchline for corporate speaking gigs. What's wrong with using such an event for a national day of service? Americans actually come together when we work together in common cause; one could argue Pearl Harbor touched off 24/7/365 national days of service until the war ended. The "Greatest Generation" after all, is remembered for their selfless devotion to service and sacrifice of narrow self interests. You wingnuts never get that, our nation didn't pull together because of rhetorical flourishes, it pulled together because we were called to service en masse by FDR. Which by the way, Bush couldn't carry his jock. It's not that one side "gets it" and the other side doesn't, if anything you're tone deaf in regards to Pearl Harbor, too. And if I hear one more Republican bitch about how our tax dollars are being spent after watching eight years of trillions being funnelled into corporations and losses being socialized, I may begin carrying a gun myself. I'd like to finish by saying this much, you never cease to amaze me. I see one of you commenting about Democrats targeting small bits and pieces of things they see wrong with our culture...your answer is to FLIP OUT about the same small things. Sorry to suggest interrupting your "dia del muerte" with a clarion call for shared sacrifice; I know you don't go for that. Why doesn't Obama just tell you all to go shopping? that's more your speed....vapid wingnuts.

Kevin| 8.26.09 @ 4:33AM

Why is helping out one another and donating one's time an awful way to commemorate the lives lost on 9/11?
Obama's been screwing up left and right; there's really no need to make stuff like this up to attack him with.

Mike from Chicago| 8.26.09 @ 4:37AM

How easily America has been fooled by image and outward appearances, not to mention "good intentions." The only thing The Obama Administration is accomplishing along with leaders in Congress is a divided America. There are two America's now....America vs. Amerika.

Bob Miller| 8.26.09 @ 6:28AM

Does anyone see any dishonor in this action.

EVERYONE that signed this BILL..(another without READING AND UNDERSTANDING) should be VOTED out of OFFICE.

Once out of office... they should be charged for TREASON and then stripped of all pay and allowance., not allowed to receive any royalities from books or make TV or MSM appearances.

And there should be a 'special' section for their pictures in the Post office... for the future to understand..

DON'T TREAD ME.

T-Rex| 8.26.09 @ 10:33AM

9/11 was already being desecrated before the ashes were cold, when Karl Rove was joyously crowing about the wonderful opportunity that it offered to the Republicans for partisan advantage. It was desecrated when Bush quietly helped whisk Bin Laden's relatives out of the country, and again later when he managed to let his old business pal get away at Tora Bora, while pointing in the opposite direction and yelling "Oh, look, Saddam!" It was desecrated by Ann Coulter when she ripped into the Jersey Girls for daring to ask why the Bush administration had been asleep at the switch when George Tenet tried to warn the President that Bin Laden was planning an attack on American soil. It's been desecrated every single time Republican politicians have used it like a trademark, and a shorthand way to whip up fear and unthinking hatred in the American people, of the sort so fully on display at this site.

Please, no hypocrisy about how 9/11 belongs to all Americans. Republicans have been using it as "9/11 (registered trademark)" for eight years. And now that another party has the White House, you're in a rage that someone other than a Republican will be presiding over this year's anniversary and remembrance, and you want to find an excuse to smear it any way you can.

bill h| 8.26.09 @ 10:46AM

This administration bothers me on a number of levels. Please remember: we didn't lose 3000 "Americans" on 9/11. About 300 of those murdered were foreign nationals whose only crime was to go to work that day or catch a plane.

MaryAnn| 8.26.09 @ 10:55AM

Every American should proudly fly their American flag in front of their homes, outside their windows and on their cars. It should be done at all times, but especially on 9/11. We should all go to church, synagouge or mosque and pray for America.
Mr. Obama plans not only to desecrate 9/11, he plans on destroying America. We should do nothing to help him, and everything (short of violence) to impede him.

Todd| 8.26.09 @ 10:56AM

You are pathetic T-Rex. If you want to talk about being asleep at the switch, let us discuss Bill Clinton and Leon Panetta. Sudan offered Bin Laden on a platter but after consulting Panetta and his traitor lawyers, Slick Willie decided there was no "justifiable cause" to take him out. After the first bombing at the trade centers, the embassy bombings and the USS Cole, no justifiable cause! If Bill Clinton upheld the Constitution to protect us from foreign enemies and let the CIA and the military do their job and kill the bastard when they had the chance to do so, he decided that his Whitehouse lawyers knew better.

9/11 is about all Americans who care about protecting this country against foreign Islamic enemies and to remind us we are still in a war whether some people want to pretend we are not. They declared war on us and they will never give up until defeated. Obama and people like you want to ignore the reality of what all good American's felt that day.

We know Holder is the kind of no-good lawyer that will attempt to destroy the CIA for political motive America be damned all with Obama's silent approval. He was a lawyer under the worst Attorney General in American history Janet Reno though he might take that title away from her soon enough with his treachery. Damn him and anyone that supports him straight to hell.

Liz King| 8.26.09 @ 11:44AM

They have taken over - we must stand together and push them out! the Red Tide is here.

J.T.| 8.26.09 @ 12:17PM

TODDDARD , are you really that DAFT or are you simply an IDIOT . Every successfull military campaign has it's rallying cry or have you FORGOTTEN such things as " REMEMBER the ALAMO ! " , or how about " REMEMBER the PEARL ! " , or how about " REMEMBER the MAINE ! " ??
Of course , TODDARD, I'm certain there's nothing wrong with you that a really GOOD ENEMA won't CURE !! My GOD --- you ARE SUCH AN IDIOT and , I bet you're ANAL RETENTIVE as well ! -------------- Spec. ------

Carol| 8.26.09 @ 12:17PM

If 9/11 will be National Day of Service, what do they plan to rename 12/7?

Egan Foote| 8.26.09 @ 12:22PM

Barack Stalin can do what he wants with 9/11. 9/11 is an American holidy, but this isnt america anymore!! its communist germany led by hitler! i want my country back!!! 9/11 only matters to america, but since america is gone since nazi obama took over 9/11 doesn't matter. of course the libruls would try to steal OUR holiday of 9/11, just like they stole OUR contry!!

Dum N. Dummer| 8.26.09 @ 12:26PM

Egan, scroll up a few comments to the one from Teabagger. Read it carefully.

HAHAHA| 8.26.09 @ 12:30PM

looks like the wheels have come off the new american century project.. man you right wing facsicsts were so close to hijacking the conservative republican party and now at every turn you're being out manouvered by the coolest cat in politics. He's erasing your fear and hate faster than you can say 'hick'.

All you have left are the elitists and the rabble.
Sure, there's a chance that you can rally the mob, but frankly, you're days are numbered.

ZZMike| 8.26.09 @ 12:51PM

"No way, period ! There is no way these fools can rewrite the history of 9-11. "

Then it's up to us to see that it doesn't happen.

This year, it's a Sunday.

"Real America": "It's gotten to the point that every time I click a link to some wingnut blog...spittle flies at my screen from the apoplectic antics."

I admire your masochism.

Mike Leghorn| 8.26.09 @ 1:14PM

This is silly. The title of this article says it all: "Obama's Plan to Desecrate 9/11". This goes beyond tabloid. Unfortunately, as silly as this all is, it fans the flames of right-wing hatred. The next Timothy McVeigh is just around the corner.

George| 8.26.09 @ 1:32PM

It is time for the PEOPLE who love this country to recognize the leftist/socialist/fascist leanings of this president and to make certain he serves no more than one term.

It will not be easy because he is empowering dangerous persons and he is cunning and uses Chicago political prowess to get what he wants. He also has the support of a Congress run by his party, many of whom have similar radical views, Both he and these members of Congress have shown they intend to radically change our country no matter what WE, the majority of Americans think.

Obama has found new ways to utilize his position and pulpit and expanded on methods used by prior presidents. His expansion of the use of CZARS, who need no Senate confirmation or thorough background checks, into the highest spheres of government is one of those abuses of power.

His charming and joking speech-making, were filled with knowingly false expectations. He spoke of "One America" and instead has divided this nation more than under Bush. He spoke of changing Washington and not signing off on earmarks or permitting free reign of lobbyists . He spoke of controlling spending.

Instead there is much more of the "OLD WASHINGTON" and all kinds of secret deals being make behind closed doors to push his radical agendas. Obama and this Congress, approving record-setting deficits, are knowingly moving America towards BANKRUPTCY. Such a dire situation enables them to ultimately give us their "NEW AMERICA".

He spoke of bi-partisanship but we found out that only means if he can twist arms and induce members of the other party to go along with him. He has shown that he does not in the least care about incorporating ideas that work but which are not part of his strategy to remake America.

WE THE PEOPLE will survive.. Our motto must be to RETAKE AMERICA!

WE THE PEOPLE MUST SHOW THESE POLITICIANS THAT WE BELIEVE IN THE CAUSE OF PRESERVING THIS GREAT REPUBLIC. THEY MUST BE FLOODED WITH OUR VOICE AND OUR PRESENCE. WE MUST NOT WAIT UNTIL OBAMA BUILDS HIS ARMY OF "GREEN SHIRTS"

RSR| 8.26.09 @ 1:39PM

I have been telling you since before Obama got elected, that he will lead America to its downfall...are you seeing it yet???

Old Woman| 8.26.09 @ 2:00PM

I would like to see B Hussein O and the lot of them impeached and tried for crimes against the Constitution and the people of the US. Oh, well, I can dream, can't I?!

Kevin| 8.26.09 @ 2:04PM

Utter and complete nonsense... funny, guess you forgot it was Bush who initially wanted to make 9-11 a day of service to commemorate the attacks. Anything to promote your agenda of fear and ignorance... only thing worse are all the commentors who've swallowed your BS hook, line and sinker.

Kevin| 8.26.09 @ 2:07PM

George W Bush:

“Volunteerism is strong in the country. But the truth of the matter is, the farther we’ve gotten away from 9/11, that memory has begun to fade,” the President said. “And my call to people is, there’s always a need. You should be volunteering not because of 9/11, but you should be volunteering because our country needs you on a regular basis. And so today I call upon our fellow citizens to devote 4,000 hours over your lifetime in service to your country. You’ll become a better person for it, and our society will be more healthy as a result of it.”

http://www.nationalservice.gov.....pr_id=1132

Get over yourself Vadum

Nobama| 8.26.09 @ 2:31PM

A day of service is one thing, it's quite another for fascist liberals to dictate it.

Democraps out in 2010!

Jeremiah| 8.26.09 @ 2:34PM

Kevin the libtard: Conservatives are known to be far more generous donors to charities and volunteer efforts than Liberals. We don't wait for big government to tell us what to do--we do it on our own.

Weenie.

VL| 8.26.09 @ 2:40PM

Nobama:
A day of service is one thing, it's quite another for fascist liberals to dictate it.

Democraps out in 2010!

What about when the fascist conservatives dictated it? Was it OK then?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,61821,00.html

VL| 8.26.09 @ 2:41PM

Old Woman:
I would like to see B Hussein O and the lot of them impeached and tried for crimes against the Constitution and the people of the US. Oh, well, I can dream, can't I?!

And what exactly would be the charges? Which are the high crimes and misdemeanors they are guilty of?

VL| 8.26.09 @ 2:44PM

RSR:
I have been telling you since before Obama got elected, that he will lead America to its downfall...are you seeing it yet???

No, sorry. I don't really see how the country is any worse off under Obama than it was under Bush or Clinton or Bush or Reagan. The more things change, the more they stay the same. There is no new thing under the sun.

If you can city anything concrete about how Obama is destroying the country, I'd like to see it.

I personally don't think he's done anything all that much to improve the country, bu