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It is one thing to oppose enshrining homosexual “marriage” into federal law as some sort of constitutional right. It is one thing to personally believe in traditionalist Christian teachings. But it is quite another to write hateful things painting all homosexuals with the same brush — especially the brush of Communism, among other things. A certain column by a CPAC sponsor, published in the last week, apparently is going viral on the left, and Bloomberg has already run a big story on it. This column goes beyond public policy into the realm of hatred, as referenced above. It doesn’t even deserve the dignity of a link. I am a full, three-stool-leg conservative, including pretty much across the board on public policy regarding the “social issues.” But for the record: The column in question violates Christ’s Second Great Commandment. It therefore does not represent valid social-conservative thought.
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RAM| 3.13.13 @ 12:06PM
Many who are rightly exercised about dangerous political trends are silent as stones about dangerous cultural trends.
Kingofthenet| 3.13.13 @ 1:56PM
CPAC should take its cue from Larry Craig and take a wider stance on this issue. There is no principled basis to exclude gay rights supporters while embracing David Vitter, now that he has received the Lifetime Achievement Award from Huggies.
RAM| 3.13.13 @ 2:34PM
Republicans and conservatives should never endorse immorality of any kind whatever the immediate consequences.
Teflon93 | 3.13.13 @ 12:19PM
It is not loving one's neighbor to be indifferent to their damnation. "Some save with fire," Scripture says.
Zeppo| 3.13.13 @ 1:00PM
Ye shall know them by their fruits.
Quartermaster| 3.13.13 @ 12:27PM
How about telling us who this mystery person is, and where the column can be found. Witholding such info while claiming it's going viral says more about you than it does the article.
The rest of the commentariat: let Hillyer do his own "dirty" work here. I've already reached the conclusion that Hillyer is just another faux-conservative, so let's see if he has the stones to stand up and tell us himself.
7-08| 3.13.13 @ 12:40PM
http://townhall.com/columnists.....page/full/
Is this it?
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 12:48PM
I don't think so. That's just Jonah Goldberg. You've caught him at the beginning of his inevitable descent into moderate Republicanism.
7-08| 3.13.13 @ 1:25PM
Goldberg states in the article that CPAC denied a booth to a homosexual group. That might be newsworthy in some sectors.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 2:15PM
What is newsworthy to me is why they ever allowed a booth to a homosexual group in the first place.
Derek Leaberry| 3.13.13 @ 1:47PM
I knew NATIONAL REVIEW was in decline when it published Goldberg's piece on The Simpsons way back in the 90s when many posters on this site were still in diapers. From Kirk, Burnham, Chambers, Sobran, Williamson and Brookhiser to the drivel that Goldberg and Lowry scribble. That is how far NR has fallen.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 12:58PM
Here it is:
http://www.aim.org/aim-column/.....ervatives/
I'm sympathetic with the writer's concerns, but I think he is wrong in his claims that gays without qualification are prone to "violence, terror, and treason."
I've characterized "political" gays as demonic, but they are probably a very small minority of gays, while the majority of gays stay away from politics. Their sin is only between them and their Creator, whereas the political gays are hastening the destructive of civilization.
Perhaps that's who Kincaid was refering to, but he did not make proper distinctions.
Derek Leaberry| 3.13.13 @ 12:45PM
Conservatives have surrendered on virtually every issue since Barack Obama's re-election that it makes sense to surrender on the homosexual issue. Conservatives must not only adopt liberal stances, we must love the liberals themselves as Winston Smith came to love Big Brother.
I love Big Brother.
Kingofthenet| 3.13.13 @ 1:46PM
By all means, kick out the Log Cabin Republicans and ALL gays from your midst, and try to re-criminalize homosexuality, that will make the Conservative movement MUCH stronger.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 2:14PM
Yes, it will.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 1:27PM
Sure, it will. It's done wonders for us so far. We're contending with a press that doesn't even need the Right in America to have done anything wrong before it demonizes us. When some of us publicly launch on stemwinders where they sail very close to criticizing a whole class of people who haven't done a thing wrong but be different (because like straight people, perhaps half a percent of them engage in violence or demand 'rights" that can't be justified in the Constitution) then the liberal, bought-off, soul-less press has their work all done for them. It's like shooting ducks on water for them.
Just substitute "blacks" for "gays" in Kincaid's speech, and perhaps you understand what I'd driving at. Personally, I think that Kincaid was less evil than tactically hopeless, but his speech also empowered evil people in the Right to go off on people they hate for little or no reason that can be logically or morally defended.
But sure, keep it up. Hope you like a 30-year Democratic regime in America, because with activities like this, you're playing right into their hands, and soon we really WILL lose the right to speak our minds. It will have been taken from us just as our Second Amendment rights have, because some of us would rather be right than win elections.
Red Phillips | 3.13.13 @ 4:58PM
Kincaid has a tendency to overstate things, but this pants wetting reaction from Quin is profoundly unhelpful. "I'm a conservative, but please don't associate me with that wronkthinker!" Can't you see how this kind of hysterical disassociation empowers the PC thought policers? This is like the squemish cons who fall all over themselves to disavow anyone who strays a hair's breadth from PC orthodoxy on race. Man up Quin. Quit allowing the PC Cultural Marxist thought enforcers to intimidate you.
Derek Leaberry| 3.13.13 @ 5:14PM
I wonder if Quin Hillyer would have stood up for Sam Francis speaking at CPAC?
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 7:05PM
I hope not.
Red Phillips | 3.14.13 @ 12:06AM
Well lookie here. New scientific study proves "less masculine men more pc-whipped."
http://isteve.blogspot.com/201.....ipped.html
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 6:40AM
Aw, bullshit. Quin Hillyer is objecting to the Right being too pussy-whipped to break away from its lowest common denominator, who want to pick and choose from the Book of Leviticus to justify their pet hatreds as "godly."
If you look at what shows up disproportionately in the ranks of Christian clergy (Catholic, Protestant, and otherwise) it's difficult to see a strong clerical testimony against gayness.
The bellowing class' preoccupation with this issue says lots about their primal fears. It was only a matter of time before some of you began trying to attack Hillyer's masculinity because he repudiated Kincaid's remarks. Put away your rulers, some of us won't unbutton for you to prove what our years in happy marriages (to women, thank you very much) and parenting of undoubtedly happy and even heroic sons prove to a reasonable mind.
delahaya| 3.14.13 @ 9:37AM
Vance,
It appears to me it is the Left who is obsessed with gayness, we'd be perfectly happy for the issue to go silent.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 1:15PM
Unfortunately, the bellowing class is bi-partisan and has gays, straights, people who can't make up their minds, all represented in it.
Unfortunately, if you require certain people to not insist on having a full set of civil rights before you think the issue "goes silent," it never will. African-Americans didn't "go silent," either. Women, who are actually a MAJORITY in the United States, are still being asked or even told to "go silent." So are obese people, Republicans (who are constantly in danger of having radio hosts who support their views denied the right to broadcast), Jews, legal gun owners and certain demoninations of Christians.
When you agitate for ANYONE to not have all the civil rights guaranteed in the Constitution, expect to have them be very loud. That's in the Constitution, too.
Oh, and all of you guys with the horror stories about the "radical homosexual movement," consider that the Oklahoma City bombers were on "your side," and then think very hard about the implications of being associated with them.
WXRGina| 3.13.13 @ 5:57PM
I read Cliff Kincaid's column, "CPAC and the Conservatives," and I easily understood what he meant, and I fully concur.
Mr. Kincaid wrote, "But there is a homosexual movement that has its roots in Marxism and is characterized by anti-Americanism and hatred of Christian values."
This is a true statement, and in stating it, Mr. Kincaid is not writing "hateful things painting all homosexuals with the same brush" of communism. Mr. Kincaid is clearly speaking of the radical homosexual MOVEMENT, not "all homosexuals" (not all homosexuals are radical activists). And the political homosexual movement does indeed have its roots in the family-destroying ideology of Marx.
As a columnist, I have seen first-hand the viciousness of homosexual activist radicals in their on-line comments. I have also read numerous reports of homosexual activists committing violence against those who disagree with their agenda. When Mr. Kincaid wrote that SOME members of the homosexual movement "seem prone to violence, terror, and treason," he is telling the plain truth.
Telling the truth is not "hate," but staying silent in the face of grotesque, in-your-face behavior that is being shamefully shoved on our school kids and down the throat of society in general, and that God calls an abomination, is not "loving your neighbor as yourself."
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 7:19PM
Perhaps we should use the term "radical" homosexuals so that we don't paint with too broad a brush.
WXRGina| 3.13.13 @ 7:44PM
The homosexual movement, by definition, is radical, and what Cliff Kincaid correctly describes in his column is the radical, evil movement that it is. I often use the term "radical" describing this movement in my columns, but it's already a given.
I'm sick of people on "our side" bowing to political correctness. I'm sorry Mr. Hillyer disagrees with the plain truth of Mr. Kincaid's column. It too bad that it has become so terribly hard for even many conservatives to stand fearlessly for REAL TRUTH in our dark and deluded world today.
C. Vernon Crisler | 3.13.13 @ 11:02PM
Good, then Kincaid needs to follow your example.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 6:24AM
The reason it's become so hard for conservatives to stand fearlessly for REAL TRUTH in our dark and deluded world is that since 1980, when the Republican party accepted the help of conservative homosexual organizations in prying Jimmy Carter out of the White House, it has prostituted itself - backing away from a libertarian respect for everyone and moving toward a craven acceptance of religious edicts rejected by most Christians and Jews in America - denying the Constitution three times before the cock crowed.
If we throw the Constitution away, we deserve no better than what has happened in our country.
WXRGina| 3.14.13 @ 10:48AM
How right you are, Vance.
delahaya| 3.14.13 @ 9:42AM
Agreed. If you have ever crossed a homosexual activist then you know of what Kincaid speaks. Their relentless hatred is downright scary and they ARE prone to violent intimidation. They will stop at nothing to make your life a living hell. The worst part is they know they will get away with it. You have literally no recourse. The police won't help and the media won't cover their actions at all. Gay activist can physically attack people, can throw condoms at people, can stick people with syringes, can surround houses and churches to bang on the doors and windows and hurl vile epithets, they can prance naked down the middle of town, they can disrupt your workplace, they can stalk your children, and on and on. You will get no help or sympathy and now, apparently, "conservative" columnists will think you're crazy also.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 1:31PM
Gee. Wonder why they'd think THAT.
Sean| 3.13.13 @ 6:46PM
Cliff Kincaid column isn't that bad and holds a lot of truth. The homos are trying to destroy American values. I do think though there are a tiny few out there that are conservative in politics if not their personal lives but that is a very tiny minority of gays.
Sean| 3.13.13 @ 6:46PM
Cliff Kincaid column isn't that bad and holds a lot of truth. The homos are trying to destroy American values. I do think though there are a tiny few out there that are conservative in politics if not their personal lives but that is a very tiny minority of gays.
I GOT HUNG UP SILLY| 3.14.13 @ 5:17AM
* The Devil Is In The Details *
We can only pray that U.S. Supreme Court Justice Anthony Kennedy remembers Religious Americans will all be forced in the future to allow these Gay Family Court Judges to decide straight family values across America...
Balderdash>Liberating some 20,000 Same Sex Married USA couples at the cost of destroying
100 million+ Religious Americans rights to have straight judges in our family courts deciding our family values !
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 5:53AM
Quin Hillyer's attitude is what the Right's attitude should
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 6:11AM
The religious basis for hatred of gays is the Book of Leviticus, which also calls for the death of farmers who plant more than one crop in the same field, those who wear wool-cotton blend clothing, and those who eat lobster, crab, shrimp and crayfish. Leviticus treats women as property and its closest approach to fairness is equity in setting the prices a man may charge for his daughters.
Devotion to a Bill of Rights that protects us from the Book of Leviticus SHOULD be the defining difference between Republicans and the Right, and the Democrats and the Left.
Gay bashers follow the example of Barack Obama, who sat serenely in the pews of a church whose pastor bellowed hatred for 12 years, and who told New England Public Radio "the Constitution is holding us back." We didn't kick George III's insane government out of our country only to let more insanity - religious edicts and economic illiteracy - take its place.
The only way out of this mess is to stand up for a Constitution that is our ONLY protection from other people's hatred and stupidity (and our own).
Leave the hatred and the half-clever lies to the Democrats, whose leaders promised they'd have us hating George W. Bush after Al Gore failed to impose the Tyranny of the Stupid on us with lies and appeals to racial and class hatred.
delahaya| 3.14.13 @ 9:44AM
Vance, just because you love homosexuals and all the problems they bring out country doesn't mean we have to. You talk a good game about the constitution, but the constitution also allows free association and many other things - including the right to not like some people or their behavior. Gays don't want to be tolerated anymore, they want forced affirmation now.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 12:56PM
I'm a Christian. Whether I like it or not, I have to adopt the attitude known as "charity" - the sort of love people like me are commanded by Jesus Christ to feel for people like you. Doesn't mean I'm ever going to do more than suppress the urge to call my attorney about the lie you just told about me in print, or to ask that you go count oil pans on the Interstate.
Most gays could care less about whether you like them. They are just as in favor of free association as you say you are. Like the rest of us would, if religious leaders found a way to avoid honest work by slandering us, gays want the same rights the Constitution confers on all Americans. Since the Constitution no more condemns gays to a second or third-class life than it defines marriage, their case is much better-supported in the law of our land than yours is.
The only demand for "forced affirmation" I see here is YOUR demand to force the rest of us to respect your personal hates and grudges when they conflict with the Bill of Rights. Good luck with that.
cl00bie| 3.15.13 @ 3:49PM
Loving someone does not include validating their particular sin. It is a spiritual act of mercy to admonish the sinner (and instruct the ignorant).
And you don't have to look to Leviticus, but simply natural law to understand that homosexual behavior is not life-giving, or even relationship affirming.
That having been said, I don't hate gays any more than I hate alcoholics. Both have their crosses to bear, and both sometimes fall short in the behavior department.
The gay lobby is not about equal rights, it's about forcing everyone else to affirm their chosen lifestyle. Whether it is teaching the normalization of homosexuality in public schools, to forcing Christian bakers to make cakes for gay "weddings". The law is all about forcing other people to abandon their moral teachings to provide "equal rights" to the gays.
delahaya| 3.14.13 @ 9:45AM
I would also add there is no religious basis needed to not like homosexuality. Simply dealing with homosexuals will give you the basis.
Vance P. Frickey| 3.14.13 @ 1:01PM
Honestly, I can't respond to that in the way I'd like to because I don't know you apart from the fact you that you seem to have a short fuse and like to pop off about people you don't know. You also seem to have been asleep when they talked about the First Amendment in Civics class. You've got plenty of company in the Democratic party.
delahaya| 3.14.13 @ 9:50AM
Kincaid's article is as squarely in the middle of conservatism as it is possible to be. Hopefully this is not the article Quin is mentioning. If so, Quin is taking the Frum route also. Sad.
Oldefarte| 3.14.13 @ 2:45PM
My opinion is that Christians [including myself] fall into the category of HATE THE SIN, BUT NOT THE SINNER. Anyone with an extensive religious background believes in treating charitably a homosexual while correspondingly detesting his sexual preferences. That said, it is quite a different matter when the subject of homosexuality is streatched to the liberal boundaries of promoting and demanding acceptance and legality of same [which is impossible since man's law is derived from the Natural Law which forbids homosexuality]. Liberals conveniently attempt to ignore this connection and religious/legal basis in order to promote its acceptance. Homosexuals should be allowed to practice their vise and not be harrassed in same, but in no way, shape or form should it be legalized and compared to a marriage between a man and a woman!!!!!