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The Spectacle Blog
At NRO, Nina Shea has a great post about free speech, our State Department, and religious sensitivities, points that all desperately need making in light of today’s outrageous attack on the U.S. Embassy in Egypt (and the State Department’s pathetic response to it). As Shea notes:
The embassy asserts that to “hurt the religious beliefs of others” is to “abuse the universal right of free speech.” Of course, the U.S. Constitution’s First Amendment protects even insulting and offensive speech…
You know what? While I do not think all Muslims are evil, or that Islam itself is necessarily evil, I think it has been used for evil purposes by evil men far more often than most religions have. I do not care if saying so happens to hurt the feelings of some Muslims. And I think Muslims are way over-sensitive about criticism. There is no excuse to attack an embassy because of rumors of what might be in a film with which the embassy or its government have nothing to do. No excuse at all. The State Department should not issue such a mealy-mouthed statement; instead, Muslims should suck it up: Step forward to defend their faith in the realm of ideas, not through vindictive, ill-aimed destructiveness. That’s what civilized people would do. That’s what decent Muslims will do. And when they do, their contributions will be welcomed. The thugs in Cairo, meanwhile, deserve only contempt.
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spike59| 9.11.12 @ 4:40PM
so....hurting Muswims' widdle feewings is worse than storming our Embassy and ripping down our flag....just about what i've come to expect from "America's chickens have come home to roost" ObaMao...after all, isn't this the same HopeyChangey Brigade that declared the Ft Hood massacre an incident of 'workplace violence?'
Kingofthenet| 9.11.12 @ 10:43PM
I saw the trailer for this 'Film' apparently the filmmaker is a Jew who got about 100 other Jews to pony up 5 million for this thing, and 5 million doesn't seem to go as far as i'd expect....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....e=youtu.be
spike59| 9.12.12 @ 5:38AM
...your predictable and Leftist-required 'those Jews' sentiments aside, i gotta ask, "SO FREAKING WHAT????"
Occam's Tool| 9.12.12 @ 11:22AM
The Aswan Dam Delenda Est.
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 7:34PM
Saphire: THERE YOU GO AGAIN GARGE STEVENS TELLIN THEM LIES.
The Kingfish: AH SAPHIRE AH SAPHIRE, YOU KNOWS I WOULDST LIES TO YA!!!!!
geronl| 9.11.12 @ 4:59PM
US Embassy- Cairo- Excuse me while I hunker down in this basement. The good news is we are going to get our Egyptian allies that submarine, somehow. That billion dollars in new aid will help. Oh, there goes the flag, up in flames... Anyway, since it's 9/11 I thought I would remind my fellow Americans not to hurt the Muslims feelings... *window breaks*... because Americans are racist of course. We all know that Islam is the religion of peace, that black flag raised at our embassy is a symbol of that... *transmission lost*
mzk| 9.13.12 @ 2:23AM
Please note they did the same to Israeli embassy a while back, and we in Israel didn't do much better, except there it was more of a declaration of war than a specific issue.
They are declaring the following, "even though ur clerics balspheme you religion, you have no right to blaspheme ours, even in a Christian country". This is a declaration of the hegemony of Islam - and I have no prbome with Islam per se - over the Christian world. It is an attack on American sovereignty.
AllAmericanAmerican| 9.11.12 @ 5:01PM
Moral relativism on islam coming from alleged "conservatives." Wow, whodathunkit?
Newsflash: Islam IS evil, therefor anyone who practices it is evil. Maybe if we had this type of moral clarity on 9/12/01 we wouldn't be where we are now. Instead we got "Islam is a religion of peace" from Bushie, Jr, 9 days after they flew planes into the WTC.
Grow a set.
Bob Grant| 9.11.12 @ 5:16PM
Oh boy, another "not all muslims are evil" argument.
To any one who believes "not all muslims are evil" simply read the koran with an open mind.
Its it more apt to drive a semi-literate arab male with no prospects to violence or peace, "peace be with you" notwithstanding?
Bob Grant| 9.11.12 @ 5:18PM
Corr: Is it more apt to drive...
Conservative Bob| 9.11.12 @ 5:29PM
A consulate in Libya has now been set on fire. I read with alarm the state departments response to the attack in Egypt.
Is seemed to me to be more than just a weak response it seemed Sharia compliant. No protest, no outrage but this almost condemnation of the people who made a film rather than the people who attack our embassy. How fitting on the 11th anniversary of 9 11.
I am sure these attacks falling as they do on this particular date is a complete coincidence.
geronl| 9.11.12 @ 6:09PM
Sadly, I am not surprised that our government would respond to an actual attack by agreeing with the terrorists that free speech (only when used to spread the truth of Islam) is bad.
btims86| 9.11.12 @ 5:32PM
We're being flooded with Mohammedans here in my hometown, including Somalis - who are like people from another time.
Nothing but crickets from Wash DC........no end to mass, 3rd world immigration.
RJ| 9.11.12 @ 5:39PM
The host nation has an obligation to protect foreign embassies, something which doesn't seem to be happening today. As far as the crowds are concerned, they defile our embassy because they know we will have a weak response. It is a perception which needs to be changed.
I will never forget seeing the shocked faces of Iranian students returning from their Beverly Hills rally in support of the 1979 hostage crisis. They were stunned that Americans were in the streets to oppose their demonstration in a city where some months earlier they burned cars to protest America's support of the Shah.
spike59| 9.12.12 @ 5:41AM
'protect' foreign embassies? are you freaking kidding? the Muslim Brotherhood was falling down laughing...after all, they knew about it in advance, and made sure to pull security forces away
Ross Kaminsky| 9.11.12 @ 5:50PM
Quin, I suggest that Islam's apparent oversensitivity to criticism is in part a tactic to get the west to slowly (and unwittingly) but surely submit to their hegemony.
JD| 9.11.12 @ 5:59PM
They have studied the techniques of the American Left. They know that framing all conversations can be more important than having winning arguments. They have to establish, over time, that we have wronged them repeatedly, so that they can claim the moral high ground the next time there's a bigger conflict.
Quin Hillyer| 9.11.12 @ 6:43PM
We must not let them profit from their prophet.
BD57| 9.11.12 @ 11:18PM
Oh, absolutely. They believe in the Heckler's Veto - on steroids.
btims86| 9.11.12 @ 6:46PM
Mooooslims attack on eleven years ago and what has happend since?
We have actually increased Mooooslim immigration over the past eleven years, mosques and burkas are now commone all throughout the USA.
And the neoconservatives stay silent. Why? Because they LOVE immigration, diversity, multiculturalism. Why?
Because neoconservatives are really liberals.
SSG Baker| 9.11.12 @ 7:12PM
Wish I were President right now.
The following statement would be issued.
Until such a time as when the leading Iman in the country of Eygpt comes and PUBLICLY apologizes for the burning of the American flag and the violation of the soveriegn territory of the United States, before the full assemblage of the House of Representatives and makes full reparations for all damages. ALL AID to the country of Egypt is hereby stopped.
Trinacria| 9.12.12 @ 5:41AM
My Presidential statment:
I herewith declare that effective immediately all aid to Egypt is PERMANENTLY discontinued. PERIOD. Furthermore, I implore the leaders of Egypt to spare themselves the futility of issuing a half-assed diplomatic apology, for our decision to discontinue aid is irrevocable. Good luck managing the foresaken shithole without it.
spike59| 9.12.12 @ 5:42AM
i wish we HAD a President right now...
R Martin| 9.12.12 @ 7:23AM
AND a secretary of state.
SSG Baker| 9.11.12 @ 7:13PM
The next time, there will be no warning shots, the Marines will have orders to shoot to kill.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.11.12 @ 7:49PM
It's ironic that many self proclaimed conservatives in America cannot put two and two together and realize that the same people who are attacking our Embassy in Cairo are the same people we are supporting through training, arms, intel, etc. in Syria to fight Assad. A Wahhabist (Salafist) is a Wahhabist is a Wahhabist and if we succeed in overthrowing Assad mark my words that it will come back to bite us in the ass as it did after our support for the Mujahadeen during the Soviet Afghan war as well as Bosnia and Kosovo.
The right US policy in the Middle East is diplomacy and the removal of all US bases from the region and a complete end to the meddling in the business of sovereign nations of the region. You do that and there is no reason for enmity between the US and the Muslim world. We should be drilling at home and buying oil from nations that are not intent on funneling those petrodollars into the hands of Islamist revolutionaries as is the case with Saudi Arabia.
RJ| 9.11.12 @ 10:43PM
I certainly agree that 1) the US should not be taking sides in Syria (and shouldn't have in Egypt or Libya); 2) we should be quickly maximizing the development our own energy resources and 3) Saudi Arabia's Wahhabism is the source of much trouble.
However, I don't think our problems in the area go away by removing all US bases and leaving the area. Do the Danes or the Dutch have any Middle Eastern military bases? None that I am aware of, but a Danish cartoonist is threatened with death and a Dutch film maker is murdered because they allegedly offended Islam in their own countries. Many European nations have accepted Middle Easterners as immigrants, yet find the new arrivals hostile and threatening to their way of life. I think the Western world has a problem with the Muslim world based on the conflict of core values. They object to our values even when practiced in our own countries. The rising conflict of cultures in European nations, such as France is very disturbing. And I don't think the US will abandon Israel and risk a second holocaust. Likewise we need to patrol the waters to protect international shipping from Somali, and perhaps other, pirates. This is the same type of problem which President Jefferson had to deal with over two hundred years ago, long before the US was considered an interventionist in the area.
I respect your knowledge of the Muslim world. Feel free to tell me where I am wrong.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.12.12 @ 1:54AM
The problems of Europe with Islamists have a lot to do with the vast Muslim underclass that exists in many European nations that makes their Muslim immigrant populations easy recruiting grounds for Sunni Islamists. To my knowledge such a Muslim underclass does not exist in the United States where Muslim immigrants are increasingly upwardly mobile and enjoy more freedom than in Europe or in their homelands.
With that said I don't fault the French or Germans or Danes for restricting immigration or trying to protect their own tradition, culture and values. Every people should be free to protect that which defines them as a people and unlike America the nations of Europe were not founded by immigrants. The vast migration of people from the third world is bound to make Europeans resentful and if the economy remains in bad shape can brew outright hostility as we can see from the rising popularity of far right (even neo-fascist) political parties in Europe.
Unless we scrap the lottery system and just open our doors to vast numbers of Muslim immigrants I don't see us having the same problems in the United States. Yes we will have our Fort Hood incidents and the underwear bombers, but I don't see us having a Muslim insurrection like Europe may soon face.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.12.12 @ 1:54AM
Islam and the United States are not natural enemies. We have no shared borders nor do we even have the history of the Crusades or the Reconquest of Spain as Europeans do. We don't have a large number of Muslims with a history of conflict as do the people of the Balkans or Southern Russia have. The only thing bringing us into conflict with the Muslim world right now is our military presence and meddling in the affairs of their sovereign nations for the benefit of Western oil firms. Beyond that there is no conflict.
Now going back to Europe, I can't see a Muslim conquest of Europe no matter how deep the Salafists are able to gain a foothold in Muslim immigrant communities there. We forget that many Europeans are proud people and as nationalist sentiments rise in Europe you may well find a radicalization of Europeans looking to rid themselves of unwanted immigrants. It could very well happen and if I was a Muslim in Europe I would tread very lightly.
I have had good relations with Muslims and even though I am an Orthodox Christian I have many Muslim relatives (mostly Shia and Russianized Sunni's) whom I love and respect. It's the Salafists who are the scourge of the earth and there is no negotiating with them.
RJ| 9.12.12 @ 3:56AM
Thanks. I appreciate your comments, although I still think that the cultural disparity makes conflict likely. As I mentioned in an earlier post, the Iranian demonstrations in Southern California in favor of hostage taking back in 1979, was shocking, yet such behavior is no longer unexpected. Today an American consulate employee was killed and others injured, allegedly over a movie, but timed to take place on 9-11. Iran continues to talk of eliminating Israel, who are the last people in this world not to take such a threat seriously. I hope the US can lower its presence in the Middle East by withdrawing troops from Afghanistan and staying out of domestic affairs in countries such as in Syria. But I don't see how we will not have significant, long-standing conflict with the Middle East, regardless of what we do or don't do.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.13.12 @ 1:32AM
Mark my words RJ that those who killed our Ambassador in Libya are Sunni Islamists of the Salafist/Wahhabist school the same as Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri. Those black flags with arabic writing the rioters were flying are the same flags Al Qaeda uses. Ironically as I have pointed out before Obama and NATO's intervention in Libya to oust Ghaddafi assured that the Salafists (who were well entrenched in the ranks of the rebels) would rise to prominence in the country. It was Ghaddafi who kept such people in check just as Bashar al Assad and Saddam Hussein kept the fanatics in check in Syria and Iraq.
As for Iran...Iran is a different matter. It is not Sunni Muslim it is Shia Muslim and a historical rival and enemy of the Sunni Salafist/Wahhabists (like Bin Laden and Al Zawahiri) who are supported by Saudi Arabia and Qatar. Shia are more often the victims of Salafist terrorism than non-Muslims. Just look at Karbala in Iraq and read about the Shia Muslim pilgrims who are killed by Sunni Islamists when they try to visit the Shia holy sights of Hasan and Hussein.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.13.12 @ 1:41AM
As for the Iranian saber rattling at Israel...that's all it is. The Persians don't want a war with Israel, but its good politics in the Muslim world (both Shia and Sunni) to take a stand against Israel and to champion the Palestinian cause. It must never be forgotten that the Persians are not Arabs, but they do see themselves as the protectors of Shia Muslims throughout the world whether they be in Lebanon, Bahrain or eastern Saudi Arabia. It is not unlike the position Russia has claimed in the past and in the present (in the case of Serbia) as being the protector of Orthodox Christians.
As for 1979...Iranians in America who supported the hostage taking back then seem a world apart from the rather pro-American Iranian immigrant diaspora in the United States nowadays. It must also be remembered that the Shah of Iran was placed in power by Western powers after they staged a coup to bring down a democratically elected Iranian leader named Mossadegh who's crime was he wanted to nationalize Iran's oil resources thus cutting out Western oil firms.
Floyd R Turbo (American)| 9.12.12 @ 1:46PM
This wouldn't have anything to do with the Russian navy base in Syria would it DIMITRY?
Russia has a long history of sticking it's nose into places where it has no business. Fortunately the russians are so incompetent that they routinely get their asses whipped.
The Russian naval base at Tartus is the last russian base outside of russia and it makes all the jingoistic russians feel all warm and tingly because they think that they still have as much influence and power as the USSR. The truth is that russia is a failed state with a declining population, inconsequential military forces and a GDP that is about as large as Hollands.
Russia needs to admit that it failed to handle the Chechens, got their asses kicked in Afghanistan qand can no longer protect the russian minority in Kazakhstan.
Russia is on the ash-heap of history - good riddance to bad rubbish.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.13.12 @ 1:54AM
You are wrong Floyd. Russia has a friendship with Syria and Bashar al Assad and yes they have a Navy Base in Syria. It is America that sticks its nose where it doesn't belong...Bosnia, Kosovo, South Ossetia, Abkhazia, Iraq, Libya...Syria.
Russia is not a failed state and the double eagle is rising from the ashes much to the resentment of the West (the US included though not alone) that is itself descending to failed statehood. You want to talk about birthrates in Russia what about birthrates in the United States. Without Latino immigrants the United States would probably also have a negative birthrate as abortion has become a form of birth control to many Americans.
Russia has a first class military and to the government's credit they have allowed the Russian Orthodox Church to play a new visible role in Russia's military just as they did before the Bolshevik Revolution. God has returned to Russia as Russian Orthodox Churches are built across the nation. As opposed to the US that just allowed open homosexuality in the military and has Wiccan chaplains.
Dimitry_Aleksandrovich| 9.13.12 @ 2:00AM
The United States does not face a problem like Russia has with Chechnya, Ingushetia and Dagestan. If you ask me I would say Russia has done the best they can under the circumstances and God willing more Kavkaz Muslims will realize that they have more in common with Orthodox Christian Russians than Arab Salafists who will destroy their old traditions for being not purely Muslim as they have all ready done in parts of Chechnya and also in Bosnia.
As for Afghanistan what American would be foolish enough to say that the Russians got their asses kicked in Afghanistan when US forces have been there for 11 years with a resurgent Taliban and Afghan soldiers and Police turning on NATO forces almost daily. As for Kazakhstan...Kazakhstan and Russia have very close relations and joint military exercises together. They are both members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and I have not heard of ethnic tensions between Slavs and Kazakhs in Kazakhstan. Russia, Kazakhstan and Belarus are entering into their own customs union and they all three have very strong military ties. So as for Kazakhstan I don't know what the hell you are talking about. Do you?
mzk| 9.13.12 @ 2:28AM
The USSR caused a lot of this. They trained terrorsits. And when terrorists attacked their people, they simply castrated their relatives.
Theolonious| 9.11.12 @ 8:16PM
PLEASE Milquetoast half step SIR . How much longer must the CIVILIZED world continue to STOMACH this Apostasy holy barbarizm perpetrated under the guise of a FASLE PROPHET. Holy words cover up the fact that it is a religion which was used as a GOVERNMENTAL SYSTEM to intimidate BRUTAL invasion and INTIMATING convert or die conquest. Even a cursory review of the screed reveals it as a bastardization of the Old testament. Kinda like confession, filled with every possible forgiveness of HUMAN Perversion its rulers could conceive. Muslims might just think the same thing about ROMAN CAtholicism. WAKE UP PEOPLE
Oldefarte| 9.11.12 @ 10:25PM
"Step forward to defend their faith in the realm of ideas, not through vindictive, ill-aimed destructiveness. That's what civilized people would do" ? "Civilized"? Are you kidding me? How can they be considered "civilized" when their religious membership commandeer airplanes, ram them into office buildings and slaughter 3000 innocents therein? What if the Baptist or the Methodists did thus? Would we then opine that they were "civilized"? Excuse me for being UN"civilized perhaps, but anyone without the courage-guts-b**ls to open their mouth in protest when members of their congregation/religion performs acts of evil inhumanity is a far cry from "civilized" And why do you think that they all sit upon their tongues thusly? Simple, because if they do speak out in protest against their fellow Muslims/Islamists, then they'll get the preverbial FATWA issue against them personally by some Muslim cleric somewhere, that's why!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Theolonious| 9.12.12 @ 10:25AM
YO SPARKY, I was referring to ISLAMIC BARBARIZM, WOW!!! WTF do you call the CATHOLIC CHURCH's Historical use of RELIGION as POWER , however,,,,is that CIVILIZED?????????
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 12:19PM
To my GD knowledge, no members of the Catholic Church ever commandeered airplanes and flew them into buildings which incinerated 3000 innocent office workers, now did they [and that was WTF I was GD referring to]. Are you attempting to compare the "Historical use of RELIGION as POWER" of the Catholic Church to the Muslims' Islamic religious dictation of human beheading, rapes, physical assaults etc HISTORICALLY [if so I recommend your researching Pamela Gellar's Atlas Shrugged.com for its daily accounting of these instances]???????? Oh and on a lesser note, you might consider the use of an "S" instead of your "Z" in your "BARBARIZM" next time........SPARKY......YO!!!!!!!!!!!
Joan Of Snark | 9.12.12 @ 12:52PM
No, they didn't have airplanes then. But they did have swords, burning pyres and crucifixes - all of which were used liberally to maintain political power until it was no longer a viable option. Call it "growing up", if you will, but Christianity did at last mature; the problem here is that Islam has yet to do the same. And by what we see today, that day is still a VERY long time coming.
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 1:57PM
As has been said, HISTORY IS FOR LOSERS! I'm only concerned with the present, and Catholic Church pedifilia and Muslim/Islam beheadings etc are a present day fact. Active Catholics who blindly look the other way while the sexual absue of children by its clergy is damnable IMHO. These Catholics have a moral obligation/repsonsibility to DEMAND that the Church immediately purge from its ranks these pedifilic clergy and not to immorally move them from parish to parish. Furthermore the Catholic Church has a moral and legal obligation to ID these pedifiles to the proper state authorities for prosecution under the law. Catholics who actively participate in Church practices while knowlingly ignoring such activities by their clergy are just as guilty as these pedifile clergy members!!!!!!!!
Floyd R Turbo (American)| 9.12.12 @ 2:04PM
@OldeFarte.
Pedophilia is not official policy of the Catholic Church. Beheading infidel IS official policy of islam.
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 3:37PM
Then you might attempt to inform "Theolonious" above of that fact due to his apparent-asinine comparison of the Muslim and Catholic religions!!!!!
Floyd R Turbo (American)| 9.12.12 @ 2:00PM
Islam has yet to undergo a "reformation". Until the Imams can get together and rewrite the Koran so that it makes clear that car bombing civilians is immoral, islam will be stuck in the 15th century.
"How dreadful are the curses which Mohammedanism lays on its
votaries! Besides the fanatical frenzy, which is as dangerous in
a man as hydrophobia in a dog, there is this fearful fatalistic
apathy. The effects are apparent in many countries, improvident
habits, slovenly systems of agriculture, sluggish methods of
commerce, and insecurity of property exist wherever the
followers of the Prophet rule or live.
A degraded sensualism deprives this life of its grace and
refinement, the next of its dignity and sanctity. The fact that
in Mohammedan law every woman must belong to some man as his
absolute property, either as a child, a wife, or a concubine,
must delay the final extinction of slavery until the faith of
Islam has ceased to be a great power among men.
No stronger retrograde force exists in the world. Far from
being moribund, Mohammedanism is a militant and proselytizing
faith. It has already spread throughout Central Africa,
raising fearless warriors at every step; and were it not that
Christianity is sheltered in the strong arms of science, the
science against which it had vainly struggled, the civilization
of modern Europe might fall, as fell the civilization of ancient
Rome."
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 1:05PM
YO SPARKY, put this in your pipe and smoke it, okay??????? :
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....970d-600wi
Kingofthenet| 9.11.12 @ 10:38PM
The Muslims are afraid of Bush....
spike59| 9.12.12 @ 5:44AM
they're DEFINITELY not afraid of ObaMao
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 12:20PM
Why should they since he's one of them?????
Dai Alanye | 9.11.12 @ 11:33PM
Can't find the reference online, but...
Charles II supposedly asked a courtier why foreign nations did not respect him the way they had Cromwell.
"Because they do not fear you, Sire," came the answer.
Our problems with nations such as Egypt and Libya stem from the same cause. When we have a President they fear, their behavior will be different.
Trinacria| 9.12.12 @ 5:27AM
Machiavelli had it right nearly 500 years before that. One can either be loved or feared; between these fear is the far better option, for men respect that which they fear (and betray those whom they love).
Regrettably, both this and (sadly) previous administrations have failed to understand this long established truism. As a result, we've spent billions of dollars and shamefully sacrificed American blood in a futile attempt to "win the hearts and minds" of those who have neither hearts nor minds, but only primitive instinct. Love is beyond the limitations of the primitive instinct; fear is not. Until we accept this reality and adapt our foreign policy accordingly, we will continue to write our own death warrant.
Trinacria| 9.12.12 @ 5:31AM
Amen, Mr. Hillyer!
If "offense" is the natural limitation of free speech then Mr. Obama has violated the first amendment on a daily basis each day for the last 4 years. No other individual has so profoundly nor so frequently offended Americans and the very ideals on which the country was founded as the national disgrace currently occupying the oval office.
LarryK| 9.12.12 @ 8:31AM
How dare you! We do have a President! An empty siut sitting in an empty chair! :)
Mike in N.C.| 9.12.12 @ 11:25AM
Your comparison between the radicals of Islam today and those of Christianity and Judaism in the past betrays a little historical amnesia, Quinn. Guess this is required to be a polemicist.
Trinacria| 9.12.12 @ 12:44PM
Good one, Opie! I knew that thesaurus would come in handy!
Joan Of Snark | 9.12.12 @ 12:48PM
Funny that the "film" has been all over YouTube for 2 months but only now, the anniversary of 9/11, do the Islamists get around to protesting. And protest by killing more Americans. Yeah, that's the way to convince people Islam is "peaceful".
And our president apologizes to them while they are dragging the body of our Ambassador through the streets....
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 2:00PM
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....970d-600wi
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 3:42PM
PS: '....The film claims Muhammad was a fraud. The14-minute trailer of the movie that reportedly .....It depicts Muhammad as a feckless philanderer who approved of child sexual abuse, among other overtly insulting claims that have caused outrage.Muslims find it offensive to depict Muhammad in any manner, let alone insult the prophet. A Danish newspaper's 2005 publication of 12 caricatures of the prophet triggered riots in many Muslim countries.Though Bacile was apologetic about the Americans who were killed as a result of the outrage over his film, he blamed lax embassy security and the perpetrators of the violence."I feel the security system (at the embassies) is no good," said Bacile. "America should do something to change it."A consultant on the film, Steve Klein, said the filmmaker is concerned for family members who live in Egypt. Bacile declined to confirm.Klein said he vowed to help Bacile make the movie but warned him that "you're going to be the next Theo van Gogh." Van Gogh was a Dutch filmmaker killed by a Muslim extremist in 2004 after making a film that was perceived as insulting to Islam."We went into this knowing this was probably going to happen," Klein said.....'
Floyd R Turbo (American)| 9.12.12 @ 6:39PM
This whole thing is silly.
Do the muslims really think that they can prevent people from insulting mohammed by rioting in their own countries?
Almost anybody can post anything on youtube or dozens of other sites - and the world is filled with people like Johnny Knoxville (Jackass), or Daniel Tosh (Tosh.0), who love to stick their fingers in the eye of convention.
Those facts, and the anonymous nature of the internet make it almost certain that the web will soon be awash with scatalogical images of the prophet. As an experiment I just Google searched for: "Mohammed having sex with a donkey" and got 886,000 hits.
Oldefarte| 9.12.12 @ 7:38PM
Hopefully you don't think that the following is"silly", do you????? :
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.....970d-600wi
Abu Nudnik| 9.13.12 @ 12:15PM
"There is no excuse to attack an embassy because of rumors of what might be in a film with which the embassy or its government have nothing to do."
But that's just it, Quinn. These people live in regimes where nothing is free. They don't understand that free people do not ask permission of their governments to speak or do anything that isn't illegal. They do not understand that governments are powerless (ie: less powerful) by choice and by constitution.
This is a golden opportunity for Romney to state that the US government does not have the power to regulate speech and that it does not wish to have that power; that it wishes the citizens it serves to remain free and powerful and its government governed by their, the people's, sovereignty.